Warhammer 40,000 general

Age of emperor when ?

WE WUZ ELDAR N SHIT

>>51404207
very soon

>>51404207
when you stop fapping to big trukks

>tfw it's finally stopped raining
Now to wait for the humidity to go down.

>>51404207
15 years from now is the closest date

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What do you do, anon?

>>51404251
pray

>>51404251
reroll of course

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Just played vs tau for the first time
>1000 point game
>opp has a single riptide, squad of fire warriors, marker-light drones, and a farsight crisis squad in reserve
>I'm running pic related, with the bikes in reserve
>he goes first
>chips a point off a raider
>my turn
>focus all my fire on the riptide
>get it down to 2 wounds
>turn 2, his farsight squad comes down right in the middle of my raider, venom, and ravager
>annihilates my ravager and raider
>my turn, I fail to bring in jetbikes
>chip down riptide to 1W
>split off farsight from squad due to deaths
>send in my archon, forgetting farsight actually slaps shit in melee
>archon loses battle, gets taken out in sweeping advance
>his turn, he sends farsight in, fights surviving crew of raider, blows up my nearby venom as well
>also blows up my other venom
>wins battle against kabalites, then sweeping advance annihilates them
>my turn
>fail to get reavers in AGAIN
>manage to kill riptide though, and get my talos in to the fire warriors
>talos fucks up fire warriors, then sweeps them when they Our Weapons Are Useless
>manage to further weaken riptide squad
>his turn, he wipes out the venom's crew, gets the other venom crew to a single squad member
>finally get my reavers in
>wipe out all his actual fighters
>his turn, he throws everyone in against my remaining squad of kabalites because why not
>my turn, send in talos
>send in single surviving trueborn
>send in reavers
>hammer of wrath
>table him with half my remaining army left to attack

I can definitely see why people dislike Riptides...that thing is stupidly powerful.

>>51404251
Reroll it, of course.

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>>51404251
Reroll it....FUCK.

Rolled 2 (1d6)

>>51404251
>hey dude, this die doesn't look like it landed on any one face, mind if I reroll it?
>sure buddy

>>51404251
>I rolled it
Re-roll
>Opponent rolled it and a 4+ would have worked
call it a success and move on

>>51404251
Bump the table

>>51404207
I honestly don't think it would be THAT bad.

Don't get the freak out over it.

>>51404251
LOADED DICE REEE

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>>51404245
Well in 2 months you'll be playing The Aeldari™, Drukhari™, and Haerlequini™ Aeladari™ teaming up with the Adeptus Astartes™, Tempestus Scions™, and Astra Millitarum™ to defeat the forces of the Chaeos Astartes™ and Chaeos Daemons™

You'll have free Battlescrolls™ and will be able to buy Wartomes™ the rules will be 4 pages long but you'll NOT be playing Age Of The Emperor™ at all since it will be called Warhammer 40,000™ The New Dawn of War™ so totally NOT Age of the Emperor™

>>51404322
Pretty much. Worst case scenario is GW fucks us anally with even MORE formations spread across a shit ton of books.

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>>51404374
>Aeladari
Fuck you, you can't even meme right.
It wasn't funny the first time and it isn't funny now.

>>51404322
Don't get me wrong, I would love them to burn the 40k rulebook and start over.

my opinion: Drukhari >dark eldar

what's a dark eldar, well it's obviously a dark eldar or something who cares, probably some nigger

what's a drukhari? clearly some magical cool elf thing

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>post yfw the necrons all wake up and wipe the shit out of everyone in the galaxy

>>51404393
I stand true to the first pasta, only make it better

>>51404390
Honestly, I'm new to the game so I might not 'get it'. Like, it doesn't seem like that big of a deal.

I could see people being mad if they cut armies/factions out, but not rules changes.

>>51404408
post yfw necrons have less units than tau

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>>51404408
>Hope they wipe out terra from lightyears away.

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>>51404287
>archon beaten and swept by farsight

sounds like a fun game though

>>51404416
Honestly, I use honestly too much. Honestly.

>>51404404
>What's a Dark Eldar?
Oh, must be an evil/edgy version of the Eldar.

>What's a Drukhari?
>is it some kind of new xenos race?
>yfw it's Drew Carey

Also the aelvaesh word saelaed is pretentious as shut. It is cringe in AoS and will be cringe in 40k. Maybe it doesn't look so bad on paper, but try saying it out loud. Now imagine GW reps non-ironically calling YOUR PLAYED faction by that name.

>>51404416
The big reason for hate towards the streamlining Age of Sigmar did is because that game was not redesigned with balance in mind. It was made to sell heroes and flashy models and it took over a year to play in a way that actually ensures a fair game.

>>51404451
>>What's a Drukhari?
>>is it some kind of new xenos race?
>>yfw it's Drew Carey

NOOOOOO I NEVER READ IT LIKE THAT

OH GOD NO YOU RUINED IT

>>51404451
>yfw it's Drew Carey

Sorry the 5% of the player base that is located in the US care or even know whatever that is

>crossposting for the new thread

>>51404216
Big Mek Gangrek showed up when Belesarius was on Eriad.

Gangrek died in the initial fight, boyz telleporta'd down and just had squabbles with the Skitarii guarding the dig team.

That was it. They were there so the author could write about a couple "battles"

>>51404462
gw manages to run tournaments where people get through 3 games in 7 hours (with an hour lunch break)

how fucking stupid are you where you can't manage a game in under 2 hours?

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>>51404287
>single riptide
>kill riptide
>still fighting riptide
wat

>>51404287
What the hell, that Tau list is like...750 points maximum with everything tricked out. He also doesn't have 2 troop choices. Are you guys retarded or just new?

>>51404497
might have missed one of his troop choices.

>>51404479
huh?

>>51404374
>battle scrolls
>not dataslates

I think this info's false guys.

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>>51404451
>Also the aelvaesh word saelaed is pretentious as shut

I like Drukhari better than Eladrith Ynneas. That's what we had before.

>>51404497
troop 1: Fire Warriors
Troop 2: Teen Drone Squad

>>51404532
Drones aren't troops choices.

He could have been playing FSE and made the Crisis troops, though.

>>51404547
he said the drones were troops iirc

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Any hobbying or games you've been up to anons? I just finished up kitbashing some Rough Riders for my Guard and having some fun test games with a friend against my other Guardsmen.

>>51404583
After losing that match against Genestealer cults that badly I want to get my heavy bolter devastators painted but I just ran out of primer.

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>>51404497
It's possible.

>>51404560
Then he was lying. In fact, not only can drones not be troops, they can never, ever score anyway, so making them troops would be superfluous.

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7th ed Rending Pony rules when?

>>51404471
>US
>5% of the playerbase
...you what, m8.

US has the greatest percentage of 40k players by far.

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>>51404374
Nah.

>>51404583

Posted it in /wipg/
>>51404440
Trying to save myself from painting an embarrassingly bad face...I never learned how to properly paint faces and that's following Duncan's tutorial...
Any help is appreciated.

>>51404603
Flamers are the GSC kryponite.

>>51404604
I don't remember details. he might have had another troop choice that I just popped early or forgot about. I know he had a squad of crisis suits with farsight, some fire warriors he kept hold up in the back, drones, and a riptide...I think he might have had another troop formation, but I can't remember it at all, so I don't think it did much if he did.

>>51404374
Dumb frogposter

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Apparently Biel-Tan is completely destroyed in the new Gathering Storm thing.

I don't know how I feel about things in 40K actually being dynamic these days.

>>51404624
I have plasma guns mostly.

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What would the stats of a man of iron be?

>>51404605
>Throw a Knight army at it
>Stomp it out of the game

>>51404451
>>51404529
>I like Drukhari better than Eladrith Ynneas. That's what we had before.

I agree, not to mention Drukhari isn't that different from Druchii, which is what most novels referred to the Fantasy Dark Elves as.

>>51404646
I think this one is a bit suspect. The other details sound believable, but I really doubt they would give that away in the White Dwarf. Despite it being the obvious conclusion what with Fall of Cadia being the precedent.

>>>51399578
Not perfect but I think that will do:

"Aeldari and Drukhari from all allegiance, except the most conservative ones, have joined the cause. This is not a vague philosophic stance, because the new divinity has actual powers - The Exhumed (Unburried?) can call the souls from the spirit-stone they carry to reinforce their own capacities, syphon the powers of deads near them to hit with force, and reduce their enemies to ashes with their strange weapons and psychic powers. They've learned the secrets of the deads, and by this way they got closer from their ancestors and their defunct glory.
Anyway, some consider Ynnaris to be corrupted by the demoniac forces they pretend to dominate, and some think they are already dead. Maybe they are right. If the Exhumed try to rebuild the eldar society in the name of Ynnead to restore the ancient glory of Aeldaris, their arrogant and coercitive way draw towards them as much hostility than adhesion. Even worst, the danger they represent for the dark gods encourage Chaos forces - Especially Slaaneshis - to rise up like an infernal tsunami to consume them. Conflict and destruction lays in the way of Ynnaris. The truth that stands with no doubt, other than the hope, is that the Exhumed are bringer of death."

"Shared souls
Powered by Ynnead, Yveaine is able to draw to her the dying souls around her, and they can stay, not in the for of ghosts but as willingful allies. An observer may think Yveaine is talking to herself, is hearing voices, or is changing between personalities with no transition. If we did not know her creed, we could easily label her as crazy, but the Ynnaris knows. Their mistress carries in her numerous souls. Exhumated who entierely revere Ynnead share an echo of her attitude and they carry spirit stones of defuncts to draw from their wisdom, experience, and knowledge. And the need to do so has never been this much felt XXXXXXXX that the eldar extinction spreads its shadows on the galaxy"

I know this question might sound newfaggy but I've never played guard before. How do veteran weapons teams like missile launchers work. Since they're part of the main squad, do they fire at whatever the rest of the squad fires at?
Also how good are vendettas, are they worth 130 points?

>>51404673
>but I really doubt they would give that away in the White Dwarf

They said Cadia would definitely fall in the last one. And it is called Fracturing of Biel-Tan.

>>51404681
They're part of the same squad, so when they shoot they have to shoot the same target as the rest of the squad.

>Vendettas
>130 points
Nigga if you only pay 130 points for your Vendettas then you take as many as you can fit in your goddamn list.

My only hope is that the next edition HEAVILY nerfs Eldar/Deldar/Tau, or the leaders for all of them are weak as fuck.

>>51404702
>nerfing DEldar
Were you dropped on your head as a baby?

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So can genestealer cults seriously not charge turn one now? Why change it so soon.

>>51404701

For 130? Fuck that and take 2 wyverns.

>>51404702
>Nerfs
>Deldar

Why, Anon?

>>51404724
>he didn't play Guard before Codex: Astra Militarum
>he never got to enjoy the discount flying circus

>>51404701
Well I play Elysian drop troops (not d-99) and vendettas cost only 130 points. But they don't get the combat drop rule for deep striking turn 1, should I be taking more even though they don't get the combat drop rule?
Also are hellfury missile worth it or skip them for more lascannons.

>>51404721

I really, really like this image.

>>51404726
Bike spam isn't fun to play against in any capacity.

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>>51404607
>he unironically US is relevant to GW

>>51404717
This

I converted my Deldar into Corsairs, with some HamCoven allies. Significantly better and sufficiently glass cannon.

>>51404721
10/10

>>51404724
>>51404740
Umm drop troops don't get anything but tauroses and drop sentinels. So yeah, flying circus on steroids for me.

>>51404742
Vendettas are really efficient models. 130 points for three twin-linked, flying, AV12 lascannons is a steal.

>Also are hellfury missile worth it or skip them for more lascannons.
I will actually murder you if you ever take hellfury missiles on a Vendetta.

Rules question:

Normally a Commissar "does not take up a Force Organization slot, and does not qualify as a mandatory HQ selection." Now, in the Castellans of the Imperium detachment the Commissar is listed under the possible HQ options. Does this mean one can be taken as one of the two mandatory HQs?

>>51404747
>Bike spam
>Deldar
pick one

>>51404747
>Bike spam isn't fun to play against in any capacity.
t. Tau player who has never actually played against DE

>>51404747
Are you seriously having trouble with toughness 4 bikes with a 5+ save?

A couple of normal flamers basically shut them down entirely.

>>51404747
GW just needs to go into 8th edition with nerfs to jink, Stength D, and the Riptide's dumb profile
And a buff to MCs so that Nids can actually play

>>51404807
Why nerf jink? Just take it away from bikes and give it to jump packs.

>>51404747
wait, guys; what if he's stuck playing 5th when dark eldar were spectacular?

>>51404821
Depends on the list, IMO. Ravenwing is pure cancer with the 3+ rerollable. Make it 4+ minimum with no reroll and it'll be fine.

>>51404821
>take jink
>give it to riptides
We're trying to make 40k more fun, not less

>>51404848
That's more a matter of Skilled Rider boosting Jink than an issue with Jink itself.

I definitly agree with >>51404821 that Jump packs deserve it more though. How is a guy on a motorcycle harder to shoot than a guy with a jet turbine on his back?

>>51404841
Then he can shut the fuck up and play leafblower.

1850 Renegades of Vraks/Chaos Space Marines

Renegade Command Squad:
Ordnance Tyrant with Covenant of Nurgle: 85

35 Plague Zombies: 105
35 Plague Zombies: 105
4 Field Artillery: quad launchers, +8 extra crew: 144

3 Heavy Ordnance Battery: earthshakers, militia training, +6 extra crew: 193

3 Leman Russ Exterminators: militia training, multi-melta sponsons: 450
3 Rapier Laser Destroyers: militia training, +3 extra crew: 79
3 Rapier Laser Destroyers: militia training, +3 extra crew: 79

Fortifications: Skyshield Landing Pad: 75

_____________

Allies: Chaos Space Marines

Chaos Lord on bike: MoN, Lightning claw, Powerfist: 140

5 Chaos Marines: MoN, Combi-plasma, Plasma gun, rhino: 150

7 Chaos Bikers: MoN, Lightning claw, Combi-melta, 2 meltaguns, Meltabombs: 242

r8

>>51404857
Riptides are Jet Pack.

>>51404857
>Riptide
>jump pack unit
The Wraithknight, on the other hand...

>>51404251

blow on it

>>51404870
>wraithknight
Take it away. It doesnt do anything anyway. also add 100 points to the cost.

>>51404821
>Warp Talons with Jink
Yes.

>>51404865
>>51404870
What jet pack units don't have all the same benefits as jump pack units?

>>51404864
Id swap the biker claw for an axe. Extra attack + ap2 + str5.

You're using death guard detachment for them right?

>>51404772
The thing is that valks cost 100 points and deep strike turn one, so I have 3 valks/vendettas at 1000 points, how do I run them?

>>51404721
Yes they can. It was one butthurt anon being retarded and not understanding the FAQ that was saying otherwise.

>>51404906
New edition, new rules for units, jetpacks get spelled out now instead, also lose the relentless.

>>51404721
>can genestealer cults seriously not charge turn one now?
"Cult Ambush" is infiltration/reserves, and abides by all the restrictions that come with that. If you roll a 6 on your Cult Ambush roll you can charge on the first turn. If you don't, you can't.

As literally everyone who wasn't a fucking retard was saying when the book came out.

>>51404864
You would probably be better off turning the CSMs into more renegades and the exterminators into a different type of leman russ. I've never been impressed by how they preform personally. If your opponent has any templates the skyshield is going to be problematic, try proxying a void shield generator instead.

>>51404778
By RAW I would say no.

>>51404778
>"does not take up a Force Organization slot, and does not qualify as a mandatory HQ selection."
Seems pretty clear-cut to me.

>>51404909
Thanks, I'll swap for the axe.

The Deathguard Vectorium that grants stealth to units beyond 18" of targeting shooting models is good but has alot of compulsories which leaves both forces wanting. I'm left without bubblewrap from my Renegades or without combat effectiveness of sheer amount of templates. If by Death Guard detachment you mean just using Legion rules, then yes

What's the best space marine chapter rules wise?

>>51404946
but the faq says that because it's infiltration you can't charge even with a 6

>>51404998
White scars.

Vanilla marines like to shoot and hitnrun allows them to do just that.

>>51404993
Yeah, just the legion rules. Wanted to make sure those marines were as good as they could be.

>>51404998
>>51405015
dark angels

>>51404998
Red Hunters.

They get to be Battle Brothers with both Sisters of Battle AND Grey Knights if you bring an Inquisitor!

>>51404998
>rules wise?
REEEE

>>51404998
alpha legion

>>51405015
>>51405026
>>51405027
Differing opinions is great and I'd like to hear em' all!

>>51405031
It's so my DEldar can conjure up a way to deal with them.

>>51405005
this.

>>51405038
salamanders

>>51404807
>Jink
They need to completely re-do how Cover is handled. Jink, aka it's harder to hit fast movers, should be a function of how far a unit moves on its turn, not "lol, I matrix dodge when you try to shoot me."

>Strength D
Punt Super Heavies and Gargantuans back into Apocalypse where they belong. Anything S:D is treated as S: 10 AP: 1 against anything other than SH/GC's.

>Riptide's profile
They really need to re-evaluate every unit datasheet in relation to everything else. Legacy units have, for the most part, lagged behind new shit, and unit/upgrade pricing often makes little sense internally or externally.

If we take anything from bikes and give it to jump infantry it should be HoW. Most iteration of jump packs in video games have the effect of physically stunning/knocking away enemies, so they should do damage or at least blind on landing.
How the hell do you ram into someone with a bike without completely eating shit anyway?

>>51405027
>They get to be Battle Brothers with both Sisters of Battle AND Grey Knights if you bring an Inquisitor!

Anon, I don't know how to tell you this, but every Imperial faction are Battle Brothers with each other.

I change my answer
>>51405015
And his
>>51405026
To this one
>>51405027
Also ally some Mantis Warriors to take divination.

>>51405005
That's not what the FAQ is addressing, mate. Read it again.

>>51404946
except the faq specifically disalows that even on a six now.

>>51405056
why can't I take space marines with cypher and allied dark angels

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How does this list look?

>>51404946

Does this mean I can now take Greyfax to mess with GSC armies without some guy telling me Cult Ambush isn't infiltration?

>>51405066
How bad is your reading comprehension, dude.

>>51405067
Because Dark Angels would shoot you if they saw you working with Cypher.

>>51404950
>CSM into more renegades
What do you think about having cultists as my troop compulsory instead? I feel like the nurgle bikers are a threat that needs all attention or none at all honestly.
>exterminators
I lack autocannons which is why I took them honestly and being the next in line (or first, depending on the flyer in question) after the rapiers for anti-air. Would you suggest a different pattern?
>templates
I'd likely have my quad guns on it, having such a high toughness value due to being artillery crew would allow them to survive most templates right?
>void shield
Wasn't it nerfed? Also can it not be baited by lesser weapons with your opponent firing the most important last?

>>51405082
I can't wait for the new cypher model

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>>51405078
yep

Greyfax and Coteaz are a pretty crazy power couple if you're planning on fighting GSC.

So White Scars look fast as fuck. I actually looked at Iron Hands and they seem pretty good. Anyone give me some insight on them?

>>51405054
Ive always thought cover should make you harder to hit, not give you and invulnerable save vs shooting.

>>51405107
CHAPTER MASTER FUCKSMASH

>>51405107
All IH vehicles have IWND. All of them.

Yes, even if they don't have Chapter Tactics.

>>51405056
that's the joke

>>51405056
The joke.


(You)

>>51405110
It's definitely the more sensible way to handle it.

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>>51404192
Fuck you I'm gonna meme as hard as I want.

>>51405076
For one, why are you running the Archon in his own venom?
Two, those venoms are too expensive. No need for the upgrades on such flimsy transports.
Three, hellions aren't worth taking even one unit of.

>>51405107
One relic makes iron hands good. Whitescars work with everything. You should just pick your favorite chapter scheme and play with either's rules.

But of course i would recomend playing with nothing but the red hunters chapter tactics.

>>51405139
Jesus that's great. I might end up doing them. Not sure what to get with £100 though.

>>51405140
>>51405158

It's 7th edition, guys. Don't be stuck in the past.

>>51405139
It's pretty silly that most chapter tactics don't extend to their vehicles.

>>51405055
Jump units already have HoW if they use their jump packs in the assault phase.

HoW on bikes is supposed to represent the fact that they are literally teched up cavalry
>but cavalry also exist in the game
REE A BIKE DOES NOT HANDLE LIKE A HORSE

>>51405167
My plan was to buy a couple boxes of Gangs of Commoragh, and it comes with Hellions and saves money, so I wanted to use em, I wanted my entire army to be invehicles, preferably quick ones.

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>TriTau next release
>Three MC walkers that held up on tiny chicken legs
>Renamed to Ataui
Can I have a job now plz GW

>>51405169
Go with Melee dreads to take advantage of them having BOTH FnP (6+), IWND, and 4 attacks.

>>51405005
No it doesn't say "even with a 6", however the 6 result DOES say "can charge first turn even though it is Infiltration", which the FAQ has no power to override as it's clearly spelled out in RAW. That could only be changed with an errata.

>>51405215
Dreads get the 6+ FnP?

>>51405215
>FnP

To save against all those wounds amirite?

>>51405079
better than yours aparently.

>>51404658
similar to necron warriors with less sophisticated weaponry

>>51405078
Yes, Greyfax DOES counter GSC.

However, the guys saying they can't charge turn 1 are retarded.

>>51405215
Correction, 4 attacks base.

Melee dreads get like 5 or 6 attacks, right? Since each melee weapon on a walker gives an extra attack, right? Or do they follow the regular rules for that?

Anons, i have a slightly related question and i think you guys may give the best answer. Where did the intense Elf hated originate from? Is it a meme i missed out on? Is it an actual thing? You 40k people seem to hate everyone even other people who use the same units so i figured you would be the fairest people to ask this question, sorry for disrupting the thread. Go Nids!

Remember when shillposters said that the FAQ's were just drafts and all the issues would be ironed out before the official release?

>>51405190
The standard DEldar vehicle build is:

Archon and a either a court or incubi in a venom
two 5-man kabalit squads in venoms or 10-man squads in raiders
as many bikes as you like
optional ravager

and so on...
hellions suck, but beastmasters are a little better as a tarpit

>>51405231
Please point to me where it "specifically says they cannot charge even on a 6".

Note: You won't find it because FAQs cannot change the printed rules without errata.

>>51405209

>Thinking an NPC race will get a Triumvirate box

>>51405079

Q: If a unit has Infiltrate and is using Cult Ambush to deploy,
it’s not using Infiltrate as such. Does this mean it can charge in
the first turn?
A: No.

You may want to check your eyes.

>>51405240
>Where did the intense Elf hated originate from
Tolkien ubermenschen
The fact that the entire race is usually made up of stuck up assholes

>>51405231
>Q: If a unit has Infiltrate and is using Cult Ambush to deploy, it’s not using Infiltrate as such. Does this mean it can charge in
the first turn?
>A: No.

Do you really not understand? The FAQ is simply telling johnny "cult ambush doesn't count as infiltrate and isn't affected by the rules/restrictions that apply to infiltrating units" fuckface that he's wrong.

>>51405226
They are the only vehicle with Chapter Tactics special rule, so yes. Though, I forgot FnP does nothing for vehicles.

>>51405228
Whoops. I must have been thinking of a different rule.

Are Dark Eldar bikes really that bad compared to CWE ones?

>>51405256
>Tau
>NPC race
What is this 5th edition?

>>51405240
It's a mystery anon, Aelves are objectively the best race

>>51405087
The cultists will be cheaper, which would be better for you since an MSU of chaos marines doesn't accomplish anything. If they are Death Guard Bikers, then they are pretty resilient, but otherwise they are threat to vehicles and will not be very successful against tar pitting and melee focused units due to their lack of AP in melee. CSM bikers are resilient and have a few more attacks, but are stuck in a combat till death unlike loyalist bikes which can hit, hit, and run. Your lord would need a daemon weapon or something like one in order to up his threat level just so the bike squad can fight through certain threats.

I love punishers with a hull mounted las and multi-melta sponsons for dealing with monstrous creatures since that's where I feel the army struggles the most otherwise. If you feel you absolutely need autocannons, try heavy weapons teams, just make just they are in cover.

The templates bit is more wound saturation, the T7 will help as will the 4++, but that will still leave the rest of your army exposed.

Void shield was made to be more balanced in all honesty. It no longer fucks crons and grav spam over, but can still buy you that T1 survivability to capitalize on all of your shooting, it will also cover more of your models than the landing.

>>51405240
It's a meme. There are some legitimate grievances that can be leveled against some elf portrayals, but nothing particularly damning.

>>51405257
You may want to reread the question.

It's saying "No, Cult Ambush is Infiltrate as such."

Therefore they cannot charge turn 1 because Infiltrate disallows that. Except a 6 on the Cult Ambush table then takes precedence because that specifically DOES allow it.

>>51405257
"6: Unlike other units that Infiltrate or arrive from Reserves, the ambushing unit can charge in their first turn or on the turn they arrive from Reserves."

>>51404287
>going second with D-eldar
>failing reserve rolls TWICE

D-eldar are the probably one of the most ALLIN armies there is, if you dont manage to cripple your opponent with a decent alpha strike youre going to suffer. especially against the SUPERIOR FIREPOWER OF THE GREATER GOOD.

Also why do you have a 10man squad in a raider and an empty ravager? they dont need to be dedicated transports for the unit to start in it when its part of the same detachment

You fuckers better not start arguing about GSC or I'll pull an Alpharius

>>51405305
This. Without an errata the FAQ has no power to contradict this, so that's clearly not what the question was addressing.

>>51405271
Yes. Craftworld is tippity TOP fucking tier. "Drukhari" aren't the absolute worst faction but they're down in that ballpark.

>>51405326
It's not our fault the anti-GSC gunlinefags are either retarded or want to pretend to be retarded because of anal-devastation.

>>51405326

Too late.

>>51405321
ravagers aren't transports, are they?

>>51405321
>actually complaining about playing D-dar
I bet you even spam scythes, faggot.

>Also why do you have a 10man squad in a raider and an empty ravager?
Oh I see, you're just a retard.

>>51405341
>play melee army
>enemy is GSC
>we can no longer engage in glorious combat from start to finish of the entire game

WHO DOES THIS BENEFIT IN THIS SITUATION

WE BOTH JUST SIT THERE STARING AT EACH OTHER WAVING OUR CLAWS/CHAINSWORDS AROUND

>>51405347
I don't think so, I think that anon is being silly and thinks Ravagers are like the DEldar equivalent to a Razorback. They are more like the DEldar version of a Predator.

>>51405341
>>51405345
Let's just stop altogether. No need for petty arguments.

>>51405363
Fear not anon for the FAQ does literally nothing to prevent turn 1 charges by anyone actually playing by the rules.

>>51405374
No. People are saying wrong things on the internet and they need to know it.

>>51405370
yeah, I thought not. I'm still new, so I had no idea if that was an actual thing, but I just checked my codex to confirm. I didn't think they were a transport, and the codex says nothing about their troop capacity or them being a transport(even if they are open-topped).

So! Anyone have any games recently or soon? What are you fielding?

This is probably a stupid question, but does FW have authorized sellers like GW?

>>51405240

In dwarf fortress elves could eat people after they were killed in battle as a bug. At lot of people hated elves for cannibalizing their loved ones during sieges.

>>51405361
I play Deldar myself so dont get offended like that dude its not cool.
and whats wrong with MSU putting 5 of them in the Vehicle with better armor over 10 in a worse armored one.

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When you say "lasgun", do you prefer to say it like "lass-gun" or "lays-gun?"

I've always said "lassgun", like,"glassgun" without the G.

>>51405393

What if I told you they were aware they were saying wrong things, but say them anyway?

>>51405393
Well for my part, it's not so much I'm concerned these guys are wrong but that other gullible anons who don't understand the rules very well will think they are right and spread false rumours. As long as all reasonable people in the thread understand what the FAQ is actually saying we can drop the topic because the guys starting the arguments are probably just pretending to be retarded.

>>51405411
He's rudely pointing out that you're confused between Venoms and Ravagers

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>>51405411
I know you actually don't play Dark Eldar, because no real DE player would ask such stupid questions.
>why a 10-man Raider squad
Because if it was 5 men, they'd belong in a Venom? Granted, this is optimization/opinion based rather than fact, but it's the main argument for using Raiders over Venoms.

>Loading troops into Ravagers
You literally cannot do this. The Ravager IS NOT A TRANSPORT.
Stop telling lies over the internet.

>>51405410
>"bug"
>implying that's not the true nature of those tree-dwelling savages

Monkeys also climb trees, don't live in buildings or work with metal, and cannibalize each other. Coincidence?

>>51405421
I say it like laser, since that's kind of what they are.

>>51405421
I've always said it "Lazz" like raspberry.

>>51405421
lazz-gun

Soft A, like in asshole.

>>51405421
lahz gun

>>51405411
....Ravagers are the weaponized raiders.

Venoms are the small plane-looking vehicles with splinter cannons

Ravagers have 11 armor and are not transports

Venoms have 10 front armor, flickerfields, and are smaller transports.

>>51405421
It's Lahzgun. Kinda like Glasgow.

>>51405425
>>51405426
I was actually agreeing with you. The people saying that you can't charge on a 6 are objectively wrong.

>>51405421
Lazzgun. Lazzcannon It's how they say it in DoW, not that I ever said it different before then. It's how they say it in Space Marine.
Checkmate laysfags.

>>51405482

Laze sounds stupid in general.

>>51405482
to be fair DoW also gave us SPESS MAHRENS and EMPRAH

>>51405496
>Soulstorm
>counting for anything other than featuring SoB and DE

>>51405403
No. FW can only be bought straight from their website, and I think Warhammer World. The only exceptions are the limited edition characters that they rarely put in stores.

>>51405496
Do you say Emprah any other way?

How should I equip my chaos lord? Is Terminator armour a given?

>>51405496

And there would be much less 40k-related comedy without those wonderful additions.

>>51405512
Yeah. I say it Emperor, as it's spelled.

>>51405512
I'm a radio student, so I trigger myself when I leave out syllables and letters wrong on purpose.

>>51405506

The limited edition models only go to official GW stores anyway and not authorized third party sellers which is probably what that guy meant, so even for those the answer is still no.

Only place to get Forge World is from others is people who are selling stuff they bought from FW or recast stuff.

>>51405284
Does this mean it can charge in
the first turn?
A: No.

>>51405516
Most people prefer bikes because LOL JINK, but if I can find a use for them I like termie lords with a claw and fist

>>51405327
Mmmmm no. More like without an errata, the faq stands. GSC cannot assault turn one from cult ambush. but nice try.

>>51405563
>cutting off the first part of the question
You can stop pretending to be retarded at any point, now.

>>51405563
The question is asking if they can charge in the first turn because they aren't infiltrating.

The answer is that they are infiltrating, so they have to follow the rules for infiltrating to see if they can charge.

If they don't roll a 6, they can't charge, but a 6 overrides that.

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>>51405516
I play KdK, so this isn't as helpful, but Claw and either Axe of Khorn for AP2 at initiative, an extra attack because both are specialist weapons, and ID on 6's To Wound, or Goredrinker for the coolest Relic Power Axe ever.

>>51405516
Sigil, Mark of Choice, Bike or Jump Pack, Lightning Claw + Power Fist. Stick 'em in an appropriate group.

Stay away from Terminator armor; it's kind of a trap in CSM unless you're gonna Land Raider deliver (bro-tip, you shouldn't).

Maybe it would work with a Spartan and a group of 9 Terminators though.

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>>51405441
Im not talking optimization and made the suggestion based on models Anon above already owns

>Loading troops into Ravager
see pic related, got confused and had to double check codex. But srsly dood check your attitude on the internet, those threads are made to discuss mistakes like this if you want to insult people go to /pol/ or /v/ instead

>>51405391
Your words of nuh uh have totally brought me over from the plain as day ruling in the faq.

>>51405563
Right. Unless you roll a 6 which says you can.

They're saying no to the people who said you could always charge in the first turn because they argued cult ambush isnt infiltrate so it doesnt have the restrictions on infiltrate which prevent charging in the first turn. The 6 result doesn't ignore this restriction through a loophole, which is what FAQs address, it ignores it explicitly as a special rule, which cannot be changed without errata.

So unless you can provide an errata that rewrites the 6 result of Cult Ambush it is unaffected by this loophole clarification.

>>51405516
>Is Terminator armour a given?
No.

Sigil, Power Fist and Lightning Claw is a good versatile loadout. From there a Bike is probably the optimal thing to add, but you can also go Terminator Armor, Jump Pack or nothing depending on how and where you plan to use him and what your Legion is. Relics can also drastically effect things, but Sigil, PF, LC is the basic fighty lord kit.

>>51405599
The plain as day ruling in the FAQ doesn't affect the 6 result, and literally cannot even if they wanted it to, because it's printed RAW in the Codex.

>>51405588
Look I am all for meta busters. But nowhere does it say

>If they don't roll a 6, they can't charge, but a 6 overrides that.

it just says no. You have to at least admit there is the SLIGHTEST possability GW realized they goofed, and changed their mind.

>>51405516
No, Terminator Armor is crappy.

The issue with melee units is getting them into melee. For a Chaos Lord, you want to take a Bike, a Jump Pack (as part of a Raptor Talon), a Juggernaut of Khorne, or a Disc of Tzeentch.

>>51405588
Has frontline gaming or reece mentioned how they ran it? Did they play it like 6 is still ok, or is it a non issue with them they havent even bothered to mention for the ITC?

>>51405596
Check your codex, bro. Ravager isn't a transport.

>>51405653

It does say in the main book that specific rules from codex's overwrite rules from the main rulebook, though. Don't ask me for a source, because I don't play as or against GSC and can't be assed.

>>51405573
This is my last post on this topic:

FAQs are not rules text. They can't actually write new rules into the game, they are only explanations and clarifications that enforce existing rules.

Therefore the "No" answer in the FAQ isn't "No because I said so". It's "No because Infiltrate says you cannot charge turn 1 and Cult Ambush during Infiltration is Infiltrate".

6 result overrides that restriction objectively and explicitly, and is therefore not part of that ruling.

That is the final post on this topic.

>>51405653
There is not the SLIGHTEST possibly that they goofed. Infiltrate says you can't charge. 6 on Cult Ambush says you can. Codex trumps rulebook. All GW did was clarify what literally fucking everybody under the sun who was not a faggot already knew.

>>51405653
No there's not, because that's not how FAQ's work. If they changed their mind it would need an errata that rewrites the clear allowance to charge in turn 1 in the Cult Ambush rules.

>>51405607
I'm refraining from getting the actual Chaos lord model due to it being resincast. Any idea on what I should convert?

>>51405596
>if you want to insult people go to /pol/ or /v/ instead
If you can't insult people who say blatantly idiotic things then you can't insult anyone, and then you're sitting on the world's shittiest hugbox.

>>51405686
And faq's are made to correct book text or confirm meaning. I take it to mean that in SUBSEQUENT turns, like say going back into the shadows, and on turn 2 you roll a 6, place 3 inches away, then charge you can, because the first turn rule no longer applies.

Source: This is how I have been playing it.

>>51405653
No. It's very clear that the FAQ was simply to address people who thought that Cult Ambush didn't count as Infiltrating.

It does, but a 6 gets around either, becauese that's what it's designed to do.

>>51405686

I haven't kept up with FLG's podcast lately, but a few weeks ago they were saying a lot of stuff like "We're not going to do the FAQ until later because GW is about to release their FAQs that answer a lot of questions!" so it makes it sound like they go with GW FAQs unless it's something huge like needing to ban multiple Wraithknights or nerf Invisibility.

>>51405596
The roster listbuilder is rife with errors and is never a substitute for the Codex. It's just a tool to help you manually write lists faster than with pen or pencil. You should still be using the Codex to write them.

>>51405712
>And faq's are made to correct book text
These are errata. FAQs do not correct text.

>I take it to mean
It literally doesn't matter what you take it to mean because the codex explicitly spells out that you are wrong.

>>51405258
>Tolkien ubermenschen
this actually makes a lot of sense to me, and that's sad.

>>51405712
No, the 6 result literally says "can charge in the first turn", VERBATIM, and coming back onto the board after using return to the shadows is no longer infiltrate anyways.

>>51405708
Generally I find it's best to make a Chaos lord from the various fancier bits in the CSM sprues and Chaos Terminator lord sprue. The god aligned heads and shoulderpads from the CSM sprue are particularly nice for this.

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I can't decide which of these factions I should play.

>>51405712
No you dunce, the FAQ question is in response to people trying to rules lawyer first turn charges on non-6 Cult Ambush rolls.

>>51405712
See >>51405305

This is the actual text in the Codex. The FAQ can't touch this without an errata even if they wanted to, and they don't want to.

Does anyone have a copy of the Imperial Agents FAQ? It's listed on the site but leads to a 404 page.

>>51405805
Do you like winning a lot?

>>51405805
What do you like most about each one?

>>51405822
Sorry, I meant errata not FAQ.

>>51405805
Dark eldar ironically is the least faggot answer

>>51405805

Kill yourself

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>>51405822
Site's working fine for me, but here

>>51405838

>army of literal faggots which only fag their way into curbstomps the vast majority of the time
>least faggot

Clearly the best choice is fluffy elves with an army representing a good mix of ranged and close combat, featuring an Avatar and one of each aspect shrine.

>>51405805
Don't be a faggot.

Do you guys realize someday we're going to have newfaggots joining this hobby who unironically tell you they play "Drukhari" or "Astra Militarum" and don't know what you're talking about when you say DEldar or Guard?

>>51405866

If he decided not to be a faggot, he would rightfully pick a Wrathful Crusade army.

All this Eldar talk and none having to do with exodites or crosairs.

Well seeing as how the dinokin are no where in sight

Anyone play corsairs? Or against them?

They seems like the perfect double edged sword
>Very dangerous perils chart, no way to mitigate it or modify harnessing charges, only Div/Telekinesis for normal psykers and Aethermancy for a 1 per army Void Dream, but can select powers
>Aethermancy is awesome and makes you want to throw powers around all crazy but will probably end up killing most of your army
>Jet packs for DAYS plus reckless abandon means theyre super dodgy but are still made of paper
>Shooty weapon selection out the wazoo ON JET PACKS but again, paper
>Cool sub detachment Cortiere rules, but they dislike each other within the army
>Regroup at half leadership because pirates, also perils can und up causing a lot of your army to fuck off
>Did I mention jet pack pirates?
>More alpha strike potential than Deldar and much more mobile
>Got the good jetbikes with more weapon options(you can still take scatbike I suppose but why spam those when you can spam SPLINTER CANNONS

>>51405889
It's been happening already with Astra Militarum. By this point I just feel numb.

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>>51405889
I already cant find fucking anything on the website anymore

>>51405901
I was just about to go to bed, but the refresh caught your post before I closed my browser.

I play Corsairs. What do you want to know?

>>51405889
I'm fine with mew players playing as Drew Carry, but they are Imperial Guard and not Astra Militarum.

>>51405889
Already happening with IG.
People use AM as abbreviation and are confused when people think they meant Adeptus Mechanicus...


>>51405908
Oh shit yeah. The armies are split in to different subfactions too now. So whenever I look for something I have to google the name so I can search for it in the store.

Did we ever get an official answer about taking biker troops in a castellans detachment?

>>51405688
So explain why they changed the rules for Deathwatch's Beacon, their transports in their formations, or being able to take a special weapon + boltgun (which they explicitly allowed in the SM codex, but not in DW).

>>51405908
Well that's because you're looking at Shitmar stuff which was completely rebooted from the ground up. 40k won't be THAT bad.

>>51405889

Do you realize the newfags are already here? Look at how many picture army builder lists and "WHAT PROGRAM IS DAT" posts you see.

50% of the people here don't even know what a force org is and had trouble figuring out detachments because they never played in 5E.

>>51405857
Thanks man.

>>51405824
I don't mind losing.

>>51405832
Tau I like mostly because of the Xenos alliance thing they've got going, plus I like the idea of running a bunch of the Breachers in Devilfish supported by stealth suits and drones.

Eldar I like mostly because they're a bunch of warrior monks with magic powers and pseudo-necromancy.

Dark Eldar I like because of the Haemonculi Covens and their whole Dr Frankenstein thing. The fast playstyle appeals to me, as well.

>>51405922
They already got the money from people who bought into the meme.

Rolled 3 + 4 (1d6 + 4)

>>51405927
>tfw can't even make Strategy Rating jokes in my flgs anymore
>tfw all I get are blank stares
Rolling mine

>>51405927
>50% of the people here don't even know what a force org is and had trouble figuring out detachments because they never played in 5E.
The only way I played was with FoC and I don't even know what the fuck is even going on anymore.
How the fuck do you even write an armylist if formations/rules entires are littered across 5 books?

I swear I'm not even gonna try to get back into the game, I'll just paint my minis and play something else.

>>51405950
>Eldar I like mostly because they're a bunch of warrior monks

>>51405912
Just general experiences with them. Hornets look awesome with pulse lasers. Do you use a lynx? It got downgraded but the model is gorgeous. Do you use the Raiding Fleet? YOur must fun list? etc whatever you want to tell a fledgling ninja space pirate.

>>51405950
Go with Eldar, they're everything you mentioned plus even speedier than DE.

>>51405950
I might actually say Tau then. If I recall, the Hamonculi stuff with Deldar isn't that great, and goes against their fast playstyle.

>>51405964
That's basically what Craftworlds are monastaries. And the Aspect Shrines are definitely Warrior Monks.

>>51405922
None of those were explicit changes, they were clarifications for ambiguous situations not covered in the rules. They don't contradict anything that's explicitly allowed.

>>51405980

As opposed to the space marines who live in FORTRESS MONASTERIES and are literal warrior monks with robes and incense and everything?

>>51405964
>>51405980

Also makes sense that the Black Templar will team up with the United Eldar, since BT shares a similar warrior monk mentality.

>>51405957
I forget, did 2e have strategy rating as well? I can only remember the 3e method of "roll your strategy rating in D6 and pick the highest".

>>51404192
Guard/Scions help
I just bought a Valkyrie and is there ever any reason to do a grav chute insertion as opposed to just getting out of the damn plane normally

>>51405988
Yeah, so? I don't like Marines. I'm allowed to not like Marines.

>>51405988
He didn't say non-Eldar races are not also warrior monks, anon, calm down.

>>51405959
New player here, no idea what a force org is, only that my engineers fit in that slot

Guard is horrible for formations. They're all super high cost and scattered fucking everywhere it seems. I wouldn't be surprised if one is hidden in a random white dwarf it something.

>>51405988

They're space knights and one chapter emphasizes being monky over being knightly over the rest. Don't get it mixed up.

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>>51405950
>Psychic Warrior monks with pseudo necromancy
Say no more!

>>51405998

It's cooler.

>>51405998
it's for when you don't want to go into VTOL mode with your plane

>>51405992
It did.

>>51405992
I'm pretty sure it did, but it's been a long time.

>>51406007

>New player here, no idea what a force org is

BUY A RULEBOOK (or download it)
READ THAT RULEBOOK
DONT ASK ANOTHER FUCKING QUESTION UNTIL YOURE DONE READING IT

>>51406012
I don't like Marines because I dislike the gothic, blocky look. I like the fluff, but eh.

>all the newfags trying to say eldar are warrior monks

>>51405998
Is there any reason NOT to do a grav chute insertion, you pussy?

>>51406028
I've been playing since 2e. Aspect shrines have always been warrior monks with a strong samurai influence.

>>51406028
What else are Aspect Warriors, Anon?

>>51406025
Nah, I'll keep winging it

>>51405927
>had trouble figuring out detachments because they never played in 5E
I had huge amounts of trouble figuring out detachments when I got back into 40k specifically because I'd played in 5e and previous editions.

All these Allies and Formations and Detachments and Decurions (complete with more Formations, but not standalone) and the inconceivable deluge of tiny supplements, plus the three or four new factions were a LOT to take in. I can't imagine how a new player would feel.

an order I placed through GW's webstore last year has finally started the shipping process. They've given the carrier the shipping information and billed me, but haven't actually given the items to the carrier yet.

I bought through the webstore because for some ass-backwards reason it was cheaper than ebay for that particular model, but holy shit. I never would have expected it to be that slow.

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>>51406007

>>51406028

Eldar have been warrior monks since aspect shrines were invented. You could spin it as being war hipsters on one extreme or combative galaxy conservatives on the other spectrum, but the middle ground will always be warrior monks.

>>51406028
I guess if you're being technical they should be warrior priests rather than warrior monks, as they train at shrines rather than temples or monasteries, and their training is in relation to aspects of their war deity.

That's really splitting hairs though.

>>51406028
>Secluded, disciplined, ascetic people fleeing the excess of their species aren't monks

>>51406040

5E Force Org = a detachment

A formation = a detachment

Unlimited detachments

Shit is easy as fuck to figure out if you know what a 5E FOC is, but new players don't so they dive right in with zero knowledge. And if you played from 5E to 6E it's even easier as you watched the formations gradually trickle in.

>>51405110
It'd fix a lot of issues with assault.

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If you could get about 40 sisters of battle for about 200ish dollars would you or would it be better to keep saving up and see if this year we get a plastic release?

>>51406020
>>51406023
yeah, you're right.

>thumbing through my old 2e/3e books
>looking at all the scenarios and missions

fucking why did they have to get replaced by maelstrom shit

>>51406068
>all monks are ascetics
>all ascetics are monks

No, they're not. Since when did monks walk various deity paths and become raging warrior gods?

>>51406040
I'm a new player who started a month ago.
It's...pretty simple. Everyone has access to CAD and Allied. Every codex comes with bonus formations. Most codexes have a Decurion-style option that overlaps with other things and gives more buffs.

>>51406051
Holy crap anon, they shouldn't have been that slow. I've always got my stuff within 7-9 business days.

>>51406052
>tfw new player
>only using CAD because I think having re-rollable Warlord traits and ObSec is a good thing
Right?

>>51406074
wait patiently

25 year old metal models are not that good in my opinion

>>51406083
Maelstrom isn't terrible but could do with a little bit less randomness and more narrative elements.

>>51405998
"Militarum tempestus was a mistake" local GW owner.
Aside from that are you playing guard with scions elites or tempestus?
As far as the question, grav chute has scatter. Your choice as to whether you want to scatter

>>51405239
They get +1 for two weapons, +2 for three etc.

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Hi guys, what are your thorts on this list? I am a new pleb.

>>51406084
Since when did monks eat brains to gain knowledge and fire assault grenade launchers?

>>51406084
"A monk is a person who practices religious asceticism, living either alone or with any number of other monks. A monk may be a person who decided to dedicate his life to serving all other living beings, or to be an ascetic who voluntarily chooses to leave mainstream society and live his life in prayer and contemplation."
The warrior paths are a method of religious devotion to aspects of Khaine, hence warrior monks.

>>51406084
Hinduism.

>>51406094
Probably a made to order model. Took a month and a half for mine.

>>51406074
I'd say no, though I hate the idea of metal models.

>>51406094
>>only using CAD because I think having re-rollable Warlord traits and ObSec is a good thing
A lot of HQ choices come with a locked Warlord trait, and most traits aren't bad enough to justify needing a reroll unless you're going for very specific cheese.

Objsec is useless in some game modes, and won't even come to play in some others. The bonuses granted to most of the viable formations outweigh it, and some of the better ones will just let you clear an objective outright rather than put your troops up against theirs.

I've had maybe three or four games out of dozens where a point has actually been contested or when objsec would have made a difference.

>>51406102
I like the theme of them, but having their own codex that GW refuses to support is the problem.

>>51406128
>file size
>is sideways

9 already. Fix it.

>>51406114
>the omophagea is as iconic to marines as the aspect shrines are to eldar

lol

>>51406109
see if you can juggle upgrades and get an officer of the fleet since you are taking the valk anyway

officers of the fleet fuck up reserve dependent armies

>>51406094
Most Decurions also give re-rollable Warlord Traits and some also give access to ObSec to certain units, sometimes even non-Troops units.

But yeah CADs are never a bad thing.

>>51406118

Nobody calls Hindu practitioners "monks" even if they are technically monks. When someone says "monk" 99.9% of the time they aren't referring to Hinduism.

>>51406128
>6,.44 MB image
>5312.2988
>FUCKING SIDEWAYS
>drybrushed lazily
>mold lines
>25mm bases
>no sub-assembies
you dun goofed 7 fuckups

>>51406084
>and become raging warrior gods?
martial tradition is neither unusual nor unheard of for religious devotees.
Sikh or Shaolin monks come to mind.

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How do I go about getting rid of some armies?

Most are completely unpainted but assembled. I don't really frequent any stores other than to buy things. I've never played any games, I just collect the models but I've gathered too many armies and I want to thin my collection a bit. Is Ebay my best bet? I don't plan on selling them for much. I just want them gone.

>>51405889
I still have my 3rd ed books but actually like Astra Militarum

I usually write it AM/IG though

>>51406165
You have any Tau? I'll buy them off you right now.

>>51406131
>A lot of HQ choices come with a locked Warlord trait
That's only special characters anon, and honestly I find using them kind of faggy unless you're playing story-driven campaigns.

>>51406165
ask around at your local gaming club, or try craigslist or ebay

>>51406165
Put them in neat lines and burn them, then upload it to youtube so we can laugh at you.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=487&v=plUPJ0inN4c

>>51406128
If you want an army you can just lazily drybrush you should have picked necrons.

>>51406170
I like that Astra Militarum actually fits the gothic theme but it's just so much harder to say than like, AdMech or Astartes, it doesn't have a good shorthand.

>>51406165
ebay is always a good bet for reselling anything, but don't be one of those assholes that sells off models that are missing weapons and have parts that fell off years ago

>>51406131
the real reason someone would use CAD a bunch is because they are playing a low-tier codex that doesn't have any other detachments worth using, and lacks a variety of formations

>>51406134
If you like deep striking shit everywhere and air cav (flying circus) check out Elysian drop troops.
They come in 2 variants.
Standard: standard guard but with no tanks, and everything has deep strike plus can get valks as transports, they even use scions as elite choices
And d-99: they have less bodies but more specialised stuff
Also don't forgot special rules
Everything can take a valk as a transport
Everything has deep strike:
Combat drop: half of all valks (anything with valk in its name so sky talons too) and turrets deep strike turn 1.

>tfw going to get about 1,500 of Guards in the mail tomorrow
I'm very slightly going to explode out of my skin at the thought

>>51406201
Absolutely. Not to mention CADs allow very specific combinations and, more important, FW units to be used.

But if I had to pick between a CAD and a Formation with nearly the same composition, I'd be hard-pressed to go with the CAD.

>>51406172
No, no Tau. What I have is mostly infantry too. I have for 40K
>Dark Angels (From Dark Vengeance and a few other kits)
>Some Blood Angels
>Tyranids
>Regular Chaos Marines

And for Warhammer Fantasy
>Vampire Counts
>Lots of Skaven

>>51406200
I'll probably do Ebay or Craigslist since I don't actually ever talk to anyone at my hobby store. I just go in, buy things and leave quietly. All my stuff is 100% complete. They've just sat around in boxes for years.

>>51406198
Everyone here says "Astra"
I call them "IG"

>>51406201
>Play tyranids
>literally just CAD or Hive Fleet detachment

>>51406134
it got a teeny bit of love in the form of the Start Collecting! formation. I actually think multiples of that formation isn't a bad way to run them at all, especially if you add in some of the new Agents of the Imperium stuff

>>51406224
By "here" I mean "Here locally where I play"