Warhammer 40,000 General /40kg/

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Horatio Eldars

>>51390920
Cross posting the leaked Tzeentch Daemons start collecting box from the AoS thread.

Let's think of dumb names for the new Dark Eldar

aka

Daerki Aeldari
Aeldari: Grim
Daerki Eldoomi

>>51391584

Aeldarki

>>51391584
Darkies

Aeldûr

>>51391584
ADaerki aaeldariii

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Ignores Cover gives a -2 to cover instead, but also has the weapon ignore shrouded. Does this improve or hurt balance and by how much?

Sanctus Reach game looks like absolute shit, that is all. Those Melta Gun animations good lord.

>>51391584
>Spikii Aeldarii

>>51391747
Are you one of the people that think Dominion squads are OP and Broken?

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Should I change the Leman Russes to some other variants or am I gonna be fucked no matter what? I'm probably going to be facing meta tournament lists from 6th edition

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Anyone ever noticed that the bottom row of Hellfyre missiles are going to slam right into the terminator?

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I was wondering how useful this army would be up against my friends necrons? I gave up trying to use harlequins against him :c

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>>51391896
Pretty sure that's just the angle of the shot.

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Rumour Engine pic. Looks like Grey Knights are coming

>>51391896
Yeah, but they could possibly be in an open front magazine that feeds up so only the top missile fires.

>>51391850
No, I just think the 50multeltas meme is great. I think you're thinking of another Alpharius.

>>51391584
Aeldari Shadowbrought

>>51391896
Don't panic anon. Stay calm. The police are on their way.

Good work picking up on that, though. I own the models and I never noticed.

>>51391939
gotta wonder if it's not a red herring, with it just being a dead grey knight terminator decorative bit

>>51391939
Literally have that bit on my desk, I could see this coming and stocked up.

>>51391584
Pirates of the Caribbean.

This comes from my source at GW. You heard it here first, folks.

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>>51391939
>terminator armor
>psychic hood
>slot for backbanner
>updated lord of change needs to feature in 40k
>the warp is losing its barriers
>the mad warden returned

there's only 1 (one) possibility here: /our boy/ is getting back home and it's going to free himself from his curse as a narrative plot twist

>>51391939
GK or terminator libby.
But tjis does not feel like real rumor. Everytime they showed something it was part that you could not tell what it is or where does it belong. This is pretty straight forward

>>51391939
To be fair this could be some sort of pilot for a transport or Monstrous Creature walker

>>51391939
I don't know enough about the lore. But could this be a primarch?

I know I'm wrong. I'm just hoping.

>>51391937
No, I just assembled some, it definitely sits below the front of the torso.

>>51391951
>>51391850
More seriously I was more worried about armies with an abundance of long ranged ignores cover and the effects of any amount of long ranged ignores cover on the lightly armoured melee armies that are at the bottom of the ladder.

>>51392012
Draigo in plastic would be pretty cool. His model is easily the best GK they've ever made.

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A fluffy salamanders list for your critique
The power weapon command vet ACTUALLY has the Nocturnes Fury relic and Hestan goes where ever best suited.
Thoughts?

Who canonically allies with Dark Eldar?

Just Eldar and Harlequins?

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>>51392122
Checked.

List looks good to me. Have fun burning the xenos.

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No one will read lists unless they're posted with Listbuilder any more.

The non-drop pod Sternguard join the Inquisitor and ride up in the Chimera. Classic Chimera (Listbuilder DOESN'T support Inquisition, only IA, so I couldn't list the 5-fire-point one). Acolytes help protect the psykana division, which spends the game summoning daemons. Everything else is pretty self explanatory. Vanguard Vets in the Stormraven, remove kebab all over. The one place I'm really lacking still is anti-AV14 (besides the Stormraven, knight sword, and thunder hammers); any suggestions to shore that up?

>>51392147

Tau - with hilarious results.

>>51392147
Tau did, once. With Urien Rakarth of all people I think.

So why do people say that 3 Dreadknights is exceptionally cheese? What breaks them?

>>51392220
Probably because you can't kill them all before at least one gets into CC with your gunline.

>>51392204
To be fair, they had never heard of Urien Rakarth or the Haemonculi before. Think of it as another "Hey guys, we killed Slaanesh!" moment.

>>51392147
Desperate Imperial commanders and governors have been known to hire Dark Eldar as mercenaries, though it often goes badly for the humans in the end. I can see some of the more base, savage Commorites making common cause with Ork pirate fleets as well.

>>51391584
Darkworld: Aeldari

>>51391939
It's going to be an Inquisitor in Grey Knight armor.
Calling it now.

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>>51392283
Also that pistol teaser goes with it.

>>51392122
Drop the Razorback down to a Drop Pod, give the Devs a Rhino. Don't mix the Flamers and Combi-meltas on the Tacticals.

>>51392177
Where are you going to play that? ITC limits you to 3 detachments, and who the fuck is going to play against WAAC garbage like that outside a tournament?

>>51392337
>ITC
>relevant to anything but 1% of the playerbase
Pick one

So not that the dust has settled (somewhat), what is generally regarded as the best way to run TS? Is committing to their Grand Cabal worthwhile or are you better off just using a CAD? The Bonuses of the Decurion aeem relatively minor

>>51392337
>ITC
>relevant

>no grav
>no bikes
>vanguard vets
>shitty SM flyers
>"WAAC"

What the fuck game do you play?

>>51392337
It's the alternate to my main list, which can't be built in the shit listbuilder these threads are obsessed with (and is ITC legal, though competitive play is the second worst cancer in 40k). This is for a group that doesn't have near as much concern and absolutely can kick its ass.

>>51392392
I'm just running a CAD, but I generally steer clear of formation.

Also, should add that I rarely win games. This has more to do with me being bad, rather than the army sucking, though.

>>51392392
There is really no good way to run TS that actually feels like you're playing TS. Rubrics are worse than Ork-tier.

>>51392394
Potato/10.

>>51392394
Well this sure popped up early.

Can anyone make anything out of that? Can't read shit.

>>51392434
It's only a week or two out anon

>>51392434
Left is one Dire Avengers squad, one Incubi squad, one Wych squad. Right is either twk or three Wych squads and Harlequin troupes, plus one line I can't make out from CWE. No idea on the bonuses.

>>51392177
>No one will read lists unless they're posted with Listbuilder any more.
I don't read list builder lists. They're much more irritating than the mediocre efforts most text lists put into formatting.

>>51392394
>Restrictions
>None
We cheesing it up now son.

>>51392454
>a week or two
Seriously? Is that just speculation or do we have a date that I missed?

>>51392392
As someone with only a 1500 point thousand sons army. Let me give you my mostly unqualified opinion...

Play thousand sons because ;
The fluff is great.
The models are great.
You enjoy the psychic phase.
You can have fun even when you aren't winning.

If you like the formations. Take them. They won't make you win that many more games.

>>51392411
Wait.... those are Slaaneshi crab hand bitches. Are the new models or are they the same as the old ones?

>>51392462
Well, you (general you) never gave feedback on any of the several threads I posted my main list in text. At least the listbuilder one was acknowledged even if it was a shitpost.

>>51392484
GW have described it as imminent and their previews/trailers usually go up two weeks before preorders. Educated guess would say that it's up for preorders next weekend, then the AoS stuff follows that in mid-late Feb

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>>51392411
hnnnngh

That pimpmaster and his incubi are awesome.

>>51391542

Pretty good. Not a fan of the stupid plastic horrors but I can use everything else for muh chaos

So I'm reading Xenos right now.
SPOILERS!

There's Eisenhorn, an inquisitor, a professional. He's supposed to be the elite against heresy and xenos. How come he is scared of everything? Scared of a single Chaos Marine, scared of a human Psyker, scared of Saruthi. Is that the Imperium's elite?

>>51391584
Shadow the Space Elfs

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>>51392016

>Terminator Libtarian has 3 plastic models already
>let's give them one more!

>>51391542
>>51392558
Do you think the one herald includes the one you get with the chariot kit?
Perhaps it has two of them in it.

>>51392392
Best way to run "Thousand Sons" is Magnus in a CAD with Typhus and Plague Zombies.

Rubrics are Ork-tier. CAD is probably better since, as you said, the bonuses are fairly minor.

>>51392425
The army sucks.

>>51392605

Yes, I'm thinking its the one that comes with the chariot.

>>51392362
ITC is the single most common tournament ruleset.

>>51392406
>>51392413
Daemon-summoning as anyone other than Chaos is WAAC, anti-fluff cancer.

>>51392597
Speaking of, where is that big sisters update they were crowing about?

Looks like they got left for dead again.
Celestine got moved in to an allies only codex, sisters are about as relevant as faction as the jokaero right now, they're nothing but a meme army!

>>51392570
A single Space Marine is scary as fuck. A lot of 40k fluff combat involves Space Marines fighting other Space Marine-tier enemies, which makes them look less powerful.

Psykers are scary as fuck, too. As are unknown xenos.

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how's my list tg? going for a fluffy-ish armoured patrol but it feels lacking

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>>51392645
Did you really think that sisters would get nice things?

>>51392605
Yes for sure. Seems like a shitty deal compared to some start collecting kits. You'll also have to buy blue and brimstone horrors separately by the looks of it. Meh maybe the rules will be good.

>>51392624
>what is extreme Xanthism?
>what are daemonhosts (an elite choice I would've taken if I had points)?
Fluffy. Maybe not as fluffy as Generic Representation of Ultramarines #40000, but fluffy.

>>51392624
>Daemon-summoning as anyone other than Chaos is WAAC
>What is forging the narritive?
ITC has rotted this poor man's mind.

>>51392670
>what is extreme Xanthism?
Chaos. Welcome to the fold.

>>51392570
I think you are ignoring just how terrifying all of those things are to a single human.
That noise marine would have murdered him outright were it not for the book.
That human psyker child would have made him blow his own head off were it not for his senior.
The saruthi are an entire race of chaos mutated xenos, and he was tromping on their turf.

>>51392411
Malys with Wyches
Visarch with Incubi
mmmhhh....

>>51392670
Yeah, I'm sure that Knight and those Astartes won't have an issue with the Inquisitor damning that entire planet.

There's a world of difference between creating daemonhosts and just summoning daemons willy-nilly.

It's an 1850 point list, you could easily fit a daemonhost in there if fluff and not WAAC was your objective.

I was thinking I'd do a little unboxing, but I don't feel like dick-waving all that much. When is the new Made to Order line due?

>>51392778
>it is a known thing especially in the Inquisition for inquisitors to summon and bind daemons
>doing so in the game is WAAC
Anon, you need to stop. You sound like the people who scream that drop pod assault is OP, despite being in the game since 4e and earlier.

>>51392668
Assuming you don't build the Chariot
>Herald (on or off Disk)
>Exalted Flamer
>3× Flamer
>5× Screamers (3+2 from Burning Chariot)
>3× Blue Horrors
>10× Pink Horrors

I mean it's not bad. Would've liked the Blues/Brimstones included, but that would've been too much to ask for.

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Facing Orks.

How fucked is him?

>>51392805
Give a single canon example of an Inquisitor making use of mass daemon footsoldiers alongside loyalist astartes forces.

>>51392811
Did... did you just list tailor against orks?

>>51392458
People are finally going to be able to field their wyches why is there no hype for this.

>>51392826
Nop just added marines to my usual MSU SoB.

Any thoughts on this find?

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/122287556346

>>51392826
>MSU of Sisters with Flamers in MM Immolators.

No that's just how Sisters run.
It's a natural Rock to Orks Scissors

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>>51392838

>people who use military models to play IG

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I received a fuckload of Marines models as a gift recently, and was wondering if anyone could help me identify this weapon?
Also, no vehicles to be seen in the whole mallet. What should I buy? Drop-pods, Rhinos, Land Raiders?
Also, they're painted as Black Templars right now, but the paintjob is quite shitty for the most part (pic related) so I was planning on repaint them when I have the time to. Any advice on this?

>>51392684
>Chaos with a loyalist codex
Probably works better than CSM, honestly.
>>51392778
I mean, depending how far you want me to forge the narrative, I can make it make sense in a way that doesn't involve leaps of logic. Red Hunters are dedicated to Inquisitorial service and mind-wiped after their missions... *by* Inquisition. If an extremist/rogue inquisitor were able to get a detachment under their "care", they could handle the reprogramming in a more beneficial way. Renegade Knights are well-known enough to have an entire game dedicated to them, and dependent on the culture of the Knight World, fealty to a "lord" may supersede religious concerns at the start of the two's relationship. Chaos is a slow and insidious decline, and few realize how far they've fallen until they hit the bottom. I don't see a reason why a Knight Scion would be any different. They're not perfext explanations, but each individual piece has precedence; it's just combining everything together that's dicey.
Loyalist codices for a renegade Inquisitor, basically.

I also already have that Knight sitting around unused in any of my lists. This seemed as good as any.

>>51392855
Heavy flamer

>>51392645
>trusting the rumours about sisters ever
they've been crowing about "sisters soon!" for the past TEN YEARS

>>51392809
Makes an interesting list. This is with no extra models otherwise paradox and extra horror instead of endless grimorie for guaranteed summoning on 5 dice. Still tho 4 WC might be able to get you back that flamer or chariot in just a 500 point noob game. If the formation for this set is good it might be too good.

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>>51392880
oops.

>>51392645
Are you 8?
Plastic Sisters next month/year totally true. Has been a thing since 3rd edition when everyone was at least getting plastic Troops.

Why the fuck GW hasn't kill the army is a mystery. They have killed armies and games in the past. So why not SoB?

>>51392645
Last I heard it was mid-February, so I suppose it would be teased after this Aeldari release

>>51392880
The only "gripes" I have with the set is
>I already have a ton of Pink Horrors
>The saving is "only" £23ish, but I think that's average for the Start Collecting
>It probably won't have a Formation for 40K, because it's an AOS box (the other Daemon boxes don't have a 40K formations

Still going to grab one. Need more Screamers and Flamers

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>>51392855
here's the whole thing. About 15 termis, 5 assault Marines with jump packs, 13 Crusaders (Assault marines without packs at least), 19 scouts (most of them kitted for melee), a shitload of HQ (E'sC, chaplain, termi libby, lightning claw/stormbolter captain, command squad), and 47 tactical/devastator marines (with a bit of every special and heavy weapon except grav I think)

>>51392434
The one on the left appears to get Furious Charge for being within some distance of something else. I also think I can see something that gives them +1 BS and something else. For the one on the right, something happens in the fight sub-phase.

>>51392848
They are selling more than on eBay too boot.

>>51392933
You should probably pick up some rhinos and drop pods to bus the units around in. Maybe a couple land raiders for the termies

>>51392925
>I already have a ton of Pink Horrors
Is that ever really enough tho ;^)

Truly though it is a 'start collecting' and one of every basic Tzeentch model is exactly what I'd expect. If there is no formation however I'll be cut as its not a CAD.

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Please rate my casual list.

>>51392838
Terrible and waste of money.

>>51392970
ITC/10

Post it on a "Competive 40k" group and laugh as people try to defend and improve this stupid shit

>>51392970
>Look Mom I posted it again!

>>51392645
Celestine is still in the basic sisters dex you mong

>>51392986
Why are you bringing up some irrelevant, cancerous tournament group? That's no an ITC legal list, anyways. It's just my fluffball list for casual nights at the LGS.

>>51392860
thanks

>>51392958
thanks for the answer, but I was more wondering about the specific variants.
I think drop-pods are a given (and my next purchase will definitly be one) but should I favor classic LR, Crusader, Redeemer? How to kit out Rhinos/Razorbacks?

>>51393039
Sure it is :^)

>>51393047
I heard the regular Land Raider was a waste because it can't fire it's guns effectively and also transport the termies to where they need to go.
But I don't know, that was a while ago. Maybe everything's changed.

>>51392597
If it is one it will be a named character obviously. Not a generic Libby.

>>51392855
Probably heavy flamer, not sure if Multi-melta is an option but I noticed it doesn't have the pilot light so it could be that.

>>51392811
So any suggestions? Basically run out of metal boxes

What is the cheapest troop unit in the imperium?

>>51393047
The Crusader is the best of the three. Extra armor is mandatory, multimelta is nice to have. Otherwise it's self explanatory.

Get it from Inquisition for S5 AP5 Rapid Fire 6 TL bolter hell.

>>51393047
LR Crusaders by default if you're going to LR. Rhinos by default unless you're using Battle Demi-Companies in which case free Razorbacks become very attractive.

>>51393069
It can move 6 inches and fire both las cannons at full BS. Which are twin linked so It's fairly effective. Also it's the only transport marines have that you can assault out of so big deal there. Since terminators do best in assault.
Which is cheese but Power of the Machine Spirit and all.

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I want to make a Lost and the Damned Chaos army, what rulebooks should I use?

Chaos is obvious with cultists, but would combining with Imperial Guard / Genestealer Cult work too?

>>51393102
I wish BS or the list builder had Inquisition.

Some how the fucks forgot the Inquisition and 6e SoB are still valid.

BS IA is such a clusterfuck.

>>51393111
Why not use Renegades and Heretics, the army designed specifically to represent the Lost and the Damned FROM the LatD book?

>>51393111
Isn't there a whole list for that in IA13 or something

>>51392496
Looks like the old ones to me.

>>51393110
Well, you can assault out of the other two Land Raiders too right?

>>51393126
Battlescribe has Inquisition. Both versions, actually, Codex and IA.
Trust me, I'd rather use Battlescribe.

>>51393129
>>51393135

Is it Forgeworld?

I'm coming back to the hobby after ten years, so not sure what those are.

>>51393095
SM Scouts.

>>51393082
you're facing Orks mate. Your list seems quite fun (I like your Templar-style against Orks), and you'll will do fine anyway (because Orks VS flamers in metalboxes), so nobody finds the need to help you trash your opponent even more

>>51393154
Yes. Imperial Armour 13. Forgeworld stuff is considered straight up legal now. No need for faffing about with "opponent's permission".

>>51393139
Correct.
Classic Land Raider gives you a machine that can long rang tank pop most anything, or put the fear of the emperor into all foes.

Hurricane bolters are laughed off by MC's because they will wound on 6's only. And you have a Significantly shorter attack range on your primary weapons. It's good but not great.

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>>51391584
Aeldari Niggnoggii

>>51393143
Ok now I'm confuse how? I only see 6e and Inquisition, nothing for IA.

>>51393095
Conscripts, at 3pts/model

>>51393154
IA13 or Siege of Vraks

>>51393180
The rationale given to me was that the other variants were cheaper and therefore more desirable as primary transports.

>>51393204
The unit is 60 points though and doesn't even make up an entire "choice" on its own.

>>51393190
Battlescribe's Inquisition file contains both IA (marked with C:IA) and Codex (unmarked), along with their respective detachments.

>>51393230
I'm looking for the castellan formation, can't seem to find the option. Other FoC stuff is there but I can't seem to find the super Imperium Friends.

>>51391504
What's life like as a tech priest in the ad mech? Are there any books about it?

>>51392963
>Is that ever really enough tho ;^)
50-60

>one of every basic Tzeentch model
No Brimstones, no Blues :^) not that I was expecting them.

Still it's pretty much what I expected.

>>51393244
Oh, yeah, Castellan isn't in Battlescribe. Its one drawback is that all of the army lists are separate; the War Convocation is a hack already with three factions, I don't think Castellans will get hashed out for a long while. For now, just use Unbound and track the FOC by hand.

>>51393126
could always email them and ask them to add it

>>51393226
Skitarii vanguard. 10 models for 55 points

Space Marine Scout, 5 models for 55

Everything else is 60+ points for 5-10 models

>>51393074
not an option in the basic dex, not sure about DA, SW or BA though

>>51393069
>>51393102
>>51393109
>>51393180
>>51393223
so Crusader to use as a metal box, and classic/Phobos to shoot at big things from afar?
Shouldn't I just take artillery of Devastators to shoot from afar though?
Also, if the Crusader's hurricane bolters aren't that good as some anon said, what about the Redeemer? It's the cheapest, and heavy flamer templates can be nice to have at first glance

>>51393266
>No Brimstones, no Blues :^)
Well on the sheet they are listed which would be hype.

>>51393299
>10 models for 55 points
its 5 models

>>51393226
Question was cheapest troop unit, not choice, and scouts are only 5 points less for 1/4 the models

>>51393282
Did he basically said they are invalidad and no one use them

Maybe for the 6e SoB, that beside the no FOC priest and Old Celestine (god know why?) there is no need to add

But Inquisition? Non retarded Acolyte squad and Cheaper Chimeras for GunBoat purposes along with servo-skulls could be useful to add

>>51393302
With the Crusader you get 6 twin-linked bolter shots and the twin-linked ass cannon that you can fire pretty much every turn if you want to, with the Redeemer you get the same ass cannon but I presume you'd only get one or two flamer blasts off it unless your opponent for some reason ignores it.

>>51393329
Then the answer is a Company Command Squad at 30 points.

>>51393312
Well fuck I just got cheated.

>>51393345
>10 Vanguard
>55 points
What did you think they cost per model? 5 for every basic one and 10 for the Alpha or what?

>>51393345
battlescribe anon

New starter set with Tyranids when?

>>51393370
There's already a start collecting???

>>51393363
I play SoB, got used to everything being cheaper and better than my stuff. So I didn't even question it.

After all there are formations that gives free upgrades and free units so it was not that odd.

>>51393333
ah... that's a shame, it has an "add collection" option, maybe you could create an inquisitor codex using the txt files

>>51393388
i meant like with dark vengeance. Also fuck the start collecting never going to use warriors

>>51393370
2026

>>51393394
>cheating against SoB
Please tell me he at least didn't run the full WarConvo.

Whoever cheats against Sisters of all armies with one of the upper 30% of armies in the game right now is just scum.

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>>51393370
Probably not for a while, anon, considering we were the starter set in 4th edition with Battle for Macragge.

>>51393418
Dammit just make it the battle of Baal with Blood Angels and Tyranids

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First, this thread is about playing 40k over Tabletop Simulator. I'm a poorfag, yadda yadda yadda...

Some poor fool is running an apocalypse tournament in-game, with 20,000 points per player, totaling 60,000 points per side. Is this as horribly unmanageable as I think it's going to be? Pictured is the total armies of me and my one teammate; we still need a third. My army takes up the bottom three tables, and his takes up the top. Note the two Warlord Titans, and the five Heirophants.

>>51392394
The Aeldari (ugh) bladehost has an option for black guardians.
Most of the options seem to have a (see codex: XXX) after it, but the second option looks like
2 units of word word word (see codex: Craftworlds) or 2 units of black guardians (pg. xxx)

am I crazy?

>>51393448
*this post, sorry.

>>51391939
The Ordo Draigo returns from the warp!

>>51393448

>20k points
I envy the amount of spare time you guys have.

>>51393433
starter kit should be imperial guard and nids

I've begun painting my first guys.
Just a tactical squad, but it's actually a lot more fun and not as frustrating as I'd expected.

The Paint-Emperor of Mankind makes it look much easier to hit the raised bits than I'm finding it, though. I think I may have taken off a bit much removing mold lines and sprue bits, which doesn't help those areas, too.

>>51393448
>Is this as horribly unmanageable as I think it's going to be?
Yes, especially if you have cover on the board and uneven terrain. TTS works fine for playing the game until you try to start playing on sloped ground and try to put units inside buildings. It's also often a pain to put down a miniature exactly where you want it.

>>51393413
He did have a Knight.

When I hear casual list for shit and giggles it means for me time to bring the Repentias out.

Yep I Melee to death a Knight with Repentias. The store owner put the "Attack on Titan" theme song when that was happening.

Still lost though. Later I found old BattleScribe added a SoB instead of just the gun. I was very confuse about it for a while.

Returning to 7th from 4th was rather brutal

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>>51393448
I have a friend on discord who is doing necrons 20k; I tried to explain to him what a bad idea it is to do crazy point games
I use tts to teach 40k a lot, and play casually with friends, or test out things

>>51392597
I'd love a helmeted terminator librarian with sword or axe.

>>51391939
>plastic Draigo incoming

>>51393499
>>51393489
>>51393475
Part of me hopes that the tournament will get called off after the first battle or two. Because goddamn, I might be in for the long haul.

>>51393520
1500 point games I play with friends from time to time on there usually take 1,5-3 hours so yes, you might be.

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>>51393489
>It's also often a pain to put down a miniature exactly where you want it.
you're not wrong, but if you're any way moderately good at working the terrain and properties and stuff; it can be done; but you're right, for an apoc game you have to get a giant giant board, and the game glitches out at that point, its perfect for up to 1850

>>51393531
Is that a custom board or is it on the workshop? Looks like a fun map.

>>51393531
Why aren't those tau models grey?

Anybody familiar with renegades that can help me with this list?

1850 Renegades of Vraks/Chaos Space Marines

Renegade Command Squad:
Ordnance Tyrant with Covenant of Nurgle: 85

35 Plague Zombies: 105
35 Plague Zombies: 105
4 Field Artillery: quad launchers, +8 extra crew: 144

3 Heavy Ordnance Battery: earthshakers, militia training, +6 extra crew: 193

3 Leman Russ Exterminators: militia training, multi-melta sponsons: 450
3 Rapier Laser Destroyers: militia training, +3 extra crew: 79
3 Rapier Laser Destroyers: militia training, +3 extra crew: 79

Fortifications: Skyshield Landing Pad: 75

_____________

Allies: Chaos Space Marines

Chaos Lord on bike: MoN, Lightning claw, Powerfist: 140

5 Chaos Marines: MoN, Combi-plasma, Plasma gun, rhino: 150

7 Chaos Bikers: MoN, Lightning claw, Combi-melta, 2 meltaguns, Meltabombs: 242

>>51393520
You certainly will. Any game above 10k points per side starts to get really clunky and ends up taking way longer than anyone actually wants to play the game for.

>>51393497
>Knight

Yeah, sounds like a WarConvo. What an asshole unless that was a tournament and he tried to actually be competitive, then it's fair game.

Melee-ing a Knight to death with naked angry battle nuns is pretty sweet, though. Good job.

I would probably start a SoB army myself if they just released damn plastic models for them already and if I hadn't started AdMech for Christmas when I get to play once every 2 months or so.

>>51393049
You laugh, but i have actually seen this kind of list at friendly pick up game level.

some people are pathetic

>>51393573
I just blew 300 euros to start Imperial Guard, which has been a long-time project of mine that I never started because I thought I'd have to paint too many infantry models, and I'd throw that right on the back seat if plastic SoB appeared.

>>51393573
Nop casual pick up game.

>>51393594
Although I imagine all the public SJW crying might be making GW uneasy about releasing a completely female army

>>51393604
Well SJW bitch and moan about thinner Mei in Overwatch. Not because the model has a smaller hit box.

SJW are going to be cancer anywhere just ignore them

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>>51393538
yeah it was a board I made with a friend so we could do a coop game - we were both tau and wrote up a chart for how each nid unit would act based on its instinctive behaviour; it had all kinds of extra objectives and so on, it was 2500 vs 4000 (nids); and essentially a king of the kill type map

I would post it on the workshop but sadly lots of the map broke when they went to the new unity engine

>>51392394
LOL Are they seriously changing the name of the Eldar?

What the hell? Why isn't /tg/ in an uproar over this?

>>51393604
>Although I imagine all the public SJW crying might be making GW uneasy about releasing a completely female army
I honestly would rather they just release some female guard and some other female models across all the factions, and squat SoB entirely

>>51393629
Obviously I ignore them, I'm saying GW might not be as wise.
>>51393652
But SoB look awesome

>>51393604
The thing is that they can't outright squat SoB if they want to avoid SJW backlash, though I can imagine there also being bitching if they do release them with new models about how over-sexualized they are since new models would most likely be much more detailed and thinner.

>>51393629
>thinner Mei in Overwatch
Wait, they made Mei less thick? Why the fuck did they do that?

>>51393459
nah maybe they are actually getting new stats or a new model

>>51393665
>But SoB look awesome
they just have crappy lore

>>51393636
That was last week when /tg/ was in an uproar

>>51393634
Well, that's a real shame. Would've loved to give that a go with a friend of mine.

Could you ever be arsed to post a PDF or pastebin with the rules you used for your 'Nids? I have a full afternoon of spare time and might spend it putting together a decent map.

>>51393668
There was a rigging error with Mei's model, I think.
>>51393674
I guess I'm not that familiar with it.

>>51393680
Not only in an uproar the the Whiny WHFB fans kept screaming that AoE was happening.

>>51393680
Link bread please.

Anyways, why did they do it?

>>51393688
Ah, alright. Thanks.

>>51393668
Chinese year outfit. No Xbox Huge coat so thinner Mai.

SoB beside the boob armour are not very sexualized. That happens in fan art.

Let's be honest without the boob armour and echance female form there is no way to tell they are women at this scale

>>51393652
Why haven't SoB been squat is a mystery.

>>51393671
It looks like black painted current-storm guardians in the formation picture

The event is called Gathering of the storm.

Will we actually see the storm?

>>51393694
Don't have the particular thread, but my guess is GW changed the name because of IP reasons.

"Eldar" was originally coined by Tolkien I believe.
It's similar to how they changed Space Marines to Adeptus Astartes

>>51393308
Was saying they weren't included in the SC box. Which I wasn't expecting. But would've been sweet if they were

Also a little disappointed that Gaunt Summoners weren't ported to 40K, nothing in their fluff (from what I read) made them AOS exclusive.

>Guess mine will be stay a sweet Herald

>>51393629
Wait, Mei got skinnier? Sadness.

>>51392392
If you're going to play TS you either take the full formation for the rerolls on saves / fake prescience at around 2k points OR you take a CAD with Magnus and trololol your way to victory.

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Librarians

Do they start as Space Marine candidates, who are singled out for their psychic abilities?

Or do they start out as Psyker candidates who are singled out for their physicial/combat attributes?

Is it different for Grey Knights?

>>51393730
Not really. Just removed the coat. She is still fat. The bitching was over nothing. When the real problem was the smaller hit box.

Classic sjw. But back at 40k

>>51393738
Both. Sometimes an aspirant will manifest psychic powers and, if they're strong enough, will be taken off to receive additional training as a Librarian. But the Astartes do keep an eye on the Black Ships as they unload their cargo on Terra and take the more physically capable psykers for themselves.

>>51393738
>Do they start as Space Marine candidates, who are singled out for their psychic abilities?
This

>Is it different for Grey Knights?
>Or do they start out as Psyker candidates who are singled out for their physicial/combat attributes?
This is GKs, since all GKs are Psykers, all their prospects must be Psykers of sufficient strength, discipline, etc. Otherwise they'd be fed to the Golden Throne

>>51393766
why are zoanthropes not a psyker?

So if you happen to have psychic ability, you're automatically gonna get fed to the throne unless some Imperial big shot notices you and makes you a Space Marine or some sort of Imperial Guard psyker?
>>51393779
Because Tyranids don't have any contact with the warp.

>>51393779
Because they don't harness the Warp

>>51393799
>>51393802
Ah its a troll poster I get it.

>>51392394
>>51392411
moreee leaksss
source?

>>51393815
Sorry i cant read data slates and didn't see the brotherhood of psykers and thought they didnt have a mastery level because i usually run them as 1 model.

>>51393799
>>51393802
Did the shadow over the warp no longer affect psykers and their powers? Table top and/or lore wise?

>>51393799
>So if you happen to have psychic ability, you're automatically gonna get fed to the throne unless some Imperial big shot notices you and makes you a Space Marine or some sort of Imperial Guard psyker?
If you're a Psyker, you're literally a walking time bomb that will explode into a portal to hell.

If you get picked up by a Blackship, you're usually in one of these categories
>Too weak / undisciplined / liability
You're fed to the Throne
>Moderate
You're Soulbound and become a Sanctioned Psyker
>Strong
You're SM / GK material

My only confusion is where being recruited to be an Inquisitior's Henchmen would fall in the hierarchy.

>>51393711
I absolutely agree with you. SoB aren't sexualized, they pretty much have to be designed in a way that they are in order to even be recognized as females. But tell that to your average SJW feminazi crybaby.

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Looking to start blood angels.
However I want to only buy 1 unit at a time and build/paint that before moving onto the next.

What is a good starting unit for the blood angels?

>>51393799
>So if you happen to have psychic ability, you're automatically gonna get fed to the throne unless some Imperial big shot notices you and makes you a Space Marine or some sort of Imperial Guard psyker?

Unlicenced psykers are rounded up in the Black Ships and tested on Terra.

Those lacking power or control are fed to the Emperor/Golden Throne

Those lacking strength but who have control are fed to the Astronomican.

Those who have both are out through training where most die. Those that survive are either: taken by Inqusition (first dibs) or the Astartes (second) or the Astropaths (third).

The rest are either made Sanctioned Psykers or are fed into the throne for failing to live up to potential.

Are exterminator lemans worth taking if you don't have dedicated anti air, are lacking autocannons and face serpent spam?

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>>51393686
yeah sure; if you really want I can give you the map in tts; but you'd have to reconstruct a good chunk of it

Here is the pastebin of the rules we used; I'm not sure if it all makes sense, you might have to modify it
http://pastebin.com/tLjGbBk9

The Nids act deterministically based on if they are in synapse range and which instinct they are

>>51393843
>Did the shadow over the warp no longer affect psykers and their powers
>Table top?
Psykers get -3Ld all the time, making them more vulnerable to Perils / Morale

>lore wise?
Drives the Psykers cra-cra as they can no longer feel the Emperor / the chittering feedback of ten thousand skittering critters

>>51393859
>>51393849
Okay then, cool.

How many extra termagaunts should i buy for tervigons? I'm planning on running 2 tervigons if that helps.

Dammit. I really want to play Dark Eldar, but holy shit they're way too hard to paint.

>>51393849
>Inquisitior's Henchmen
Being that they operate with little to no impunity I imagine Inquisitors can take on a personal retinue to his liking and everybody says "It's your ass"

>>51393862
Exterminators are always worth bringing. Give them a Lascannon and Multi-Melta sponsons, and they can engage pretty much any kind of vehicle with good odds of success.

>>51393723
Space Marines were always Adeptus Astartes u casual

>>51392624
>ITC is the single most common tournament ruleset.
That's only because they were the only faggots stubborn enough to try to continue to play 40k competitively. Everyone else gave up since it's a clusterfuck, or went to warmachine (which has been going downhill)

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>>51393863
Thanks anon, I really appreciate it. Don't have to go to the length to upload the map, I'll put something together myself, no worries.

>>51393889
Unless you are the best of the best psyker who then harnesses the power of the hive mind :^)

>>51393843
>>51393889

Leadership also used to mean a hell of a lot more when casting psychic powers. It needs a serious buff when nids FINALLY get another codex. Right now it's pretty mediocre.

>>51393899
>implying you have to edge highlight
I personally hate it. Solid Deldar look fantastic.

>>51393899
G I T
U
D

>>51393849
Are all Sanctioned Psykers soulbound, or just Astropaths?

>>51393899
WELCOME TO HELL

>>51393911
Are they worth taking in full squadrons? At that point would you cut the lascannon sponsons if points are high or are they auto include

So i wrote up a list and then left it alone for like a month and i have no idea why i made some of the decisions i did. Is there any reason to put cloaks on shotgun scouts?

>>51393918
I would fix it up and just publish it, but I can't find the pieces to make it work anymore - like the square towers and other things; I guess I could just publish it broken

>>51393858
You need Tacticals and the Blood Angels ones come with a lot of bling. Death Company aren't a bad bet either.

Are Imperial Guard sentinels any good?

>>51393920
I'm well aware what it used to mean. Except right now half the perils table is Ld base, it's not bad. It's not great. But it's not bad. Also -3Ld at all times is good, but for different reasons.

>Also, don't hold your breath, all other factions with anti-psyker defense lost it.

>Eldar lost their Runes did the same thing as 5e Tyranids Shadow
>Wolves lost their I auto Deny all powers on a 4+, and btw since it's using super special wolfmagic it doesn't count as a Deny, so I get another chance to deny if I fail.

>>51393950
Honestly, I couldn't say whether or not they're worth putting in squadrons. I play Cults, not Guard, so just have the one Exterminator for picking off enemy vehicles at range. But it always does the job, so I'd definitely recommend them. And the Lascannon is pretty essential if you want them hunting vehicles - the Heavy Bolter is just dead weight. Might as well spend the extra points and swap it for something useful.

>>51393916
You do realize that GW's getting back into the tournament scene, right? And that they've collaborated with the ITC folks?

Why are the anti-ITC shitposters so delusional?

>>51393924

This. I hate the stupid "lines everywhere" everyone tries to do on DEldar. Solid armour looks way better on them.

>>51393858
That's overall a good strategy, both to keep yourself from overspending and from not looking like a tau player who uses unpainted models frequently.

You could get the Start Collecting! Blood Angels kit, or just a tactical marine squad.

>>51393962
They look cool

Anyone know Cawl's base size?

I like his rules but his model is a little too "busy" for my liking so I was thinking of making a "counts-as".

>>51393962
GSC do Sentinels better, mostly because they get to RTTS on them (with a formation)

>>51393962
Armoured Sentinels with Lascannons aren't bad at popping tanks. Make sure you hang back and take advantage of their 48" range though.

Scout Sentinels with Autocannons can be pretty useful when going up against other Guard armies, or any force which brings artillery tanks. You can outflank them in and start taking shots at side/rear armours, and hopefully the opponent will be too busy advancing to turn around and deal with them.

>>51393962
Generally no, unless you really want to outflank some multilasers and don't want to pay the full tax for an Emperor's Talon to Outflank some Armored Sentinels (or to do similar things with a Neophyte Cavalcade).

Scout Sentinels "can" be useful if you're crazy and want to try to do a full-on Cadiz Infantry Company, simply because of the "Move through Cover" aura they give. However, you end up with no Obsec if you're trying a build like this, so you really have to go all-in with mass infantry (if you have so many bodies you can ring around an objective, you don't care as much about not having Obsec).

>>51394001
Large oval
Same as (new) Carnifex, Broodlord, (assuming) Patriarch

>>51394006
>mostly because they get to RTTS on them

We don't. Scout Sentinels gain Cult Ambush if you take them in the formation, but they don't get Return to Shadows. No free recycling walkers, sadly.

>>51393962
Open topped, 10 armor all around for a shitty heavy weapons carriage
Not even once.

>>51393858

I know you said you only want to buy one unit at a time, but Armored Assault is really something you should consider. You get a tactical squad and a rhino for the price of the tactical squad.

>>51394026
Ohh shit. I thought they got both.
My bad. Damn. Not nearly as good. Thanks for the clear up

>>51393970
>Wolves lost their I auto Deny all powers on a 4+
And thank fucking God for that. It was absurdly powerful, and the Rune Priests were still amazing psykers.

Shadow in the Warp should just go to like -1 to Harness while within 12".

>>51394026
>>51394006
The gem is Outflanking armored sentinels, honestly. Though being able to RTTS scout sentinels would've been awesome.

>>51394021
I have cawl, and a patriarch. They have different bases. And I think the brood lord is on the small oval bikes get. Cawl's base is the same as a Sydonian Dragoon

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>>51394069
Outflanking Armored Sentinels and an Outflanking Russ, combined with mass Infiltrating Dedicated Transports, and reserve modifiers = Fun. Plus the ability to take a Cult Insurrection with no characters at all means you can take a Leman Russ as your Warlord, like pic related.

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>>51392411
The badass red dude going along with some incubi sure sounds delicious

>>51394083
already posted

>>51392394
>>51392411

>>51394083
Thanks, but someone already posted a slightly larger version. We're still trying to puzzle out what it actually says.

>>51394083
I mean I appreciate leaks but why bother when we know its coming out already and you cant even read anything?

>>51394136
we just need one of those computers from cop shows that can zoom and enhance the picture

>>51394136
Hype. It builds hype. I'm convinced GW 'leaks' blurry, low-res pictures like this onto the internet just to get people talking and speculating about what's actually coming.

>>51394097
That list is dumb, but I love it

>>51392411

>We power rangers nao

>>51394149
That strategy is old as fuck. Back when Napster was a thing and companies find out that trying to take them down was impossible. They just flooded the place with music, images and videos that had something wrong in them.

For music a random electrical pitch during the song. Videos images and sound out of sync. Images had blurry and heavy version.

Since GW is still pretty much a 90' early 2000 company it would not surprise me

>>51394149
Perhaps. There's some evidence the "ripped Magnus box" picture was directly from the GW community team. I'm not sure about these though. If they just wanted hype they could slap something vague up on the community site.

>>51393918
http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=849997619

here you go

>>51392829

The problem isn't being able to field them.

It's why would anyone WANT to field them. They're a waste of points.

>>51394210
The point is that the formations might buff them up so that people WILL want to field them.

>>51394210
>They're a waste of points
why are they a waste of points? can't you charge from a raider?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IEGo41443iI
>SISTER, I NEED YOUR BLOOD TO MA-
>OH HOLD ON, YOU'RE A HERETIC
>[purging the unclean intensifies

What did he need her blood for?

>>51394225
I guess the problem with wyches is they have no armor at all and fnp was nerfed to shit.

>>51394210
sometimes you just wanna field less optimal units, giving them a formation temps people to bring out their collection. look at 1k sons and black templars that came out the woodwork recently

>>51394225
t3 6+(4++ in combat) ws5 i6 s3 in a 10/10/10 open topped transport means they die very quickly

>>51394235
https://1d4chan.org/wiki/Khornate_Knights

>>51394243
Repentias call. At least you can get an assault transport without needing to ally up. Wait a turn outside then hop in.

But they are SoB and no one cares not even GW

>>51394243
are they still not useful from venoms as light assault?

>>51394180
I don't believe it's as dumb as it looks. Steve Sisk got 3rd at LVO last year with "pure" Razorspam, though he had mixed loadouts for most of his rides.

Rugged Construction ironically makes Goliaths more resilient to Grav than most vehicles in the game, plus mass Torrent adds up. 50 points for a TL Autocannon that Infiltrates and has Tank Hunters is also pretty solid. The Chimera Neophytes are basically "discount" bunkers.

The big stickler is having no summoning, but that could easily be added in (drop a Rockgrinder and take a Crouchling Magus or so).

>>51394244
huh

>>51393560
Make that allied det a death b guard one

>>51394303
No. Anti-infantry in an anti-infantry transport=bad.

Normally, Venoms are for Trueborn or a Warrior squad w/ Blaster and optional Haywire Grenade Sybarite.

If only Gunslinger let a model throw a grenade *and* fire a pistol...

What good unit buffing discipline should a lvl 2 psychic carry with DAngles? I don't see him as much of an offensive force.

>>51393980
GW let the ITC shills find all the flaws with their ruleset, so they could easily make a more tournament friendly 8th edition and put next to no work in creating FAQs that were quite good overall, minus the whole grenades in melee thing.

>they've collaborated with the ITC folks
No, GW used the ITC and gave them a few posts on their FB page.

>>51394333
dark lance on a raider?

>>51394348
Telepathy, or Interromancy. You don't need Divination as much, unless you really want to fish for Perfect Timing, or want to put some Ravenwing in reserve (Scryers's Gaze).

>>51394359
What happened with grenades in melee?

>>51394348
Telepathy has some good defensive buffs (Invisibility, Shrouding) and the primaris is Shriek, which is always useful.

Divination is always good for supporting shooty units.

If you're going to be going anywhere near CC, Biomancy is amazing.

>>51394281
i like flamers of tzeentch, bloodcrushers, and chariots

>>51394380
DA can't take biomancy just for reference

>>51394371
Can only use one krak, haywire or meltabomb per unit in melee. It pretty much shits on almost every codex that had anything using grenades as an anti-tank option.

>>51394371
The most controversial part of the FAQ is that you can only use 1 melta bomb per unit in the assault phase. This is said because it only says that 1 grenade may be THROWN per phase this led to much bickering about whether or not melta bombs are thrown or not.

>>51394359
The fuck do you think the word "collaborate" means? It's like you tards see ITC and just turn your brains off and start shitposting.

The FAQ's were shit overall. Most of the answers were to shit with clear RaW answers, and they made enormous fuck-ups all over the place.

>>51394382
>flamers of tzeentch
They are so clutch. I love these guys
>granted my meta is Space Marine free, so 3+ doesn't really exist.

>>51394422
>REEEE MUH ITC
Take your grav gun spam and go forge your narrative elsewhere faggot. Shilling for your houserules gives you no power here.

>>51394439
But shilling against the FAQ and other house rules are?

>>51394380
>>51394369

I'm checking telephaty and it has some pretty good buffs, plus the primaris power is pretty good against stealth units (the main problem I have are stealthy taus).

A lil question regarding tactical objectives and so, if I roll and objective I can't accomplish (kill a flyer while there are no flyers in the enemy army, or cast a psychic spell without a psyker) do I have to keep the objective and discard it by the end of the turn, or I can reroll/draw a card again?

>>51394468
I believe RAW is your shit out of luck.

Although most Batreps / my games we treat it as a redraw.

>>51394448
New poster here but a reminder that alpha legion has no decurion bonus and knight titans use sponson rules and must turn sideways to Hit anything

>>51394468
Keep as normal and discard it.

We play a bit modified maelstorm and discard and re-draw all the cards that cant be completed during the game (for instance, "Demolitions" gets discarded if opponent doesnt have any buildings)

>>51394468
You have to keep it. In practice, any group that isn't made entirely of That Guy will let you swap for a possible objective. Being tasked with slaying Tau or Necron Psykers is very jarring to say the least.

>>51394468
just redraw

>>51394486
From what i understand the wording says they dont stack regarding that you can't get the ability from them on a 3+ while you can still roll both. Now the knight titan thing makes me chuckle a bit but is entirely bullshit

I know there aren't any psykers in the tabletop, but is there any fluff about AdMech/CultMech psykers, during any time period?

>>51394511
All psykers in the AdMech are sent to the Psychic Titan Legions.

>>51394505
I can buy that might argue that since my local alpha bro is depressed as hell right now.

>>51391504
Anybody got a link to the roster creator?

>>51394519
Source? I'm interested in learning about it.

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>>51394530

>>51394439
Now you're not even pretending. Just openly, brazenly shitposting. I never even said anything good about the ITC.

>>51394530
-_-

>>51392610
A shame but not really surprising. Will maybe just add a War Cabal formation to a Tzeentch Daemon CAD once the new LoC comes out

>>51394530
source?

>>51394533
Not much fluff on them except that they pilot the Psi-Titans of the Divisio Telepathica and that they're one of the most secret orders of the AdMech, can't remember where the rest of the Psi-Titan fluff is though, sorry mate.

>>51393717
There's already been two Black Crusade books that jumped the gun so yes

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>>51394530

>>51394590
Yeah, the release as a whole was a bust. Disc Ahriman can be fun, and for 2,000+ point games Ahriman's Exiles can be attached to a R & H infantry spam shell.

Everything is just too expensive. The unit psykers need to either be removed or buffed. As is, you pay a ton of points for Scarab Occult and Aspiring Sorcerers that rarely if ever cast, and then you have to pay even more for expensive HQ psykers to actually do the psykery.

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Almost finished my second tac squad

>>51394686
Not bad. Basic colours + washes?

>>51394691
they lack lightning and so. Since they are Guardians of the Covenant they don't have bright colors on em except veteran robes.

>>51391939
Janus is coming, screen cap this.

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Is this a decent 2000 point list?

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>>51394686
>Guardians of the Covenant colour scheme
>Limited Games Day Hero as a sergeant

I like your taste.

>>51391747
>Ignores Cover gives a -2 to cover instead, but also has the weapon ignore shrouded
Redundant wording. Shrouded is always +2 and you are effectively giving a constant -2.

I would be ok with it being a -2. Alongside a revamp of what a walker vs MC is and nerf to GMCs or have them go back to a MC.

>>51394640
It really shows that the writer for Wrath of Magnus is a Space Wolf fanboy.

Bonuses that never apply to games 1850 or below? Check.

A new troop choice that makes Ork Boyz look excellent? Check.

New weapon options that are downgrades for Rubric Marines, and actually give your opponent Feel No Pain? Check.

A new Psychic power that is 100% useless for ML 1 Psykers? Check.

Lazy as fuck formations that are "yo dawg, I heard you like Sorcerers?" Check.

>>51394761
no what he's saying is

Remove shrouded and ALSO reduce cover by 2

So take a venomthrope in ruins. Normally it'd have a 2+ cover save.

First the rule removes the Shrouded special rule, giving it a 4+ cover save thanks to the ruins. Then it reduces the cover save by 2, making it a 6+ cover save.

>>51391747
There needs to be another rule with Ignores Cover.

IC is rare rule which only few weapons have such as template weapons.

Sunder Cover would be another rule. They make mockery of most cover as they force their way through obstacles and shroud-fields. They force enemy to re-roll succesful cover saves.

>>51394754
Callidus Assassin is 100% bullshit

>>51394791
Don't fucking start.

>>51394804
In a good way, or a bad way?

>>51394799
Or maybe cover saves don't need to be easily shat on.

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>>51394813
EgoQueenAlexis is Warhammer 40k related

>>51394761
Not really redundant. It's always a -2 to Cover AND (if the opponent has Shroud, that too is ignored.)

So if model doesn't have Shroud, Ignore Cover = -2
If model has Shroud, it is ignored AND they're cover save is reduced by 2 (for -4 total)

Which IMO is way too big.
Would turn 2+ to 6+ and ignore anything 3+ or worse.

Personally I'd rather Ignore Cover get a scale: Ignore Cover (1), reduces any cover save by one 2+ to 3+, 6+ to nothing.

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>>51394791
jesus fucking christ

>>51394833
who