Thoughts on nuclear landmines?

>>>/k/

>>51375444
remember where you planted them
and be sure to calibrate the trigger to "baneblade" size, since wasting it on wild animals is excessive

>>51375444
Overkill

>>51375444
Useful for slowing some Angels.

>>51375496
>N2 means non-nuclear
>literally the one weapon they used against the angels and it wasn't a nuke.

>>51375543
Considering how well it did, would a nuke have done any better?

>>51375604
probably by a few factors.They just didn't want to irradiate the countryside. if any weapons could get through an AT field it would be a nuke or nothing.

>>51375444
I try not to think about them at all.

>>51375444
Thinking would probably be the last thing I'd be doing on one of those things.

>>51375444
The concept I like better is nuclear powered structure (eg. "defensive" turret) or slow moving vehicle (heavy tank) with beam weapon (laser cannon, railgun, etc.) controlled completely by AI. You place in on a spot (or in patrol area), set it to shoot anything that classifies as target and it will go... well, nuclear, if ever destroyed.

Hell you could have one in post-apocalyptic setting revered as a "seat of god" by some primitive culture that settled around - it ignores them because they are not a threat and shoots down anything dangerous in miles around (which they happily misinterpret that it's protecting them).

>>51375444

Really overkill, and you'd want to keep it under observation. Otherwise some twat will come along, dig it up, and now your enemies have a nuclear landmine.

>>51375444
Needing chickens is a bit of a design flaw

>>51375444
Landmines act as "area denial," right? You might as well just set off a conventional nuclear weapon in the area that has long half-life stuff packed into it, or even a dirty bomb.

>>51375444
They are decent counter to Titans, I guess

>>51375444
A waste of resources
You're better off dropping that bomb on some heavily abitated zone or an important production center in enemy territory.

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>>51375444
Only if they're able to be triggered by infantry, we wouldn't want anything getting through the line

>>51375655
Back in the days of Soviet Union, the scientists had this lovely idea of a doomsday device - all the used fuel from nuclear power plants will be put on a (otherwise unarmed and officially decommissioned) battleship together with a low yield bomb. The ship will be controlled by the most loyal of the commissariat and will sail around the oceans on a track known only to a chosen few. Should Soviet Union ever lose, it will detonate, irradiate all life on Earth and presumably bring forth the next Ice Age by evaporating enough water to throw global ecosystem completely off the rails.

Fortunately they came up with the under Gorbachev's rule, who forbid the whole idea. If Stalin heard of this he would have ordered to make three and automatically detonate the last one if the other two ever stopped responding.

>>51375827
You might be able to make the area unlivable, but it takes a lot of that stuff to make it so no-one can pass through.

>>51375925
What? Can you provide source for that?

>>51375977
Nothing more solid that what a google search for "soviet doomsday ship" provides.

>>51375925
Really says something about the cold war that that's not the craziest, possibly not even the second craziest nuclear weapons idea that I can think of.
(The Pluto SLAM, and the Convair X6 and it's Soviet equivalent, respectively )

>>51375935
So just a nuclear weapon packed with that isotope of cesium which is particularly deadly for several decades, then.

>>51375891
Atomic land mines were tiny, usually with only a few kilotons worth of yield. The Army wanted to use them for demolition purposes at one point.

>>51375444
landmines? stupid idea

anything you'd face that's capable of triggering a device like that - which a device like that would be necessary to stop - has already beaten you if you're forced to resort to such desperate measures; think 1950s War of the Worlds

as a dead man's switch? better idea

under enemy territory, maybe a compact device sneaked into an enemy city and assembled there by a very small team - the radioactive component can be brought in a diplomatic bag; and every x hours you simply reset the clock, until you don't

bye-bye the enemy city

you can even put it so close to someone else's embassy that when it goes off you'll be able to blame them and avoid the retaliatory strike while your enemies fight among themselves to the point of weakness

but as a landmine, no, outside of Fallout-style mini-nukes, and even then - it's called Fallout for a reason

>>51375925
It was my understanding the "doomsday ship" was actually permanently moored at a single location, and would 'only' throw enough radioactive material into the air to contaminate the whole planet, not actually trigger an ice age or vaporize a large portion of the sea.

>>51376234
>bye-bye the enemy city
I think you're vastly overestimating how powerful these things were.

The only 2 used in anger were so devastating in large part because of how poorly made the buildings they took out were. There was one guy only a few hundred feet from the blast who was saved because he was crouched behind a brick wall, and the variants used for land mines had a fraction of the yield of those two.

>>51375640
America would've gone TWE on Japan if they did work.

>>51375444
Fun for the whole family.

Awful idea, we've learned through testing that an airburst is the best way to nuke something, and burying it in the ground as a mine is the opposite of that.
Air dropped mines are far better at area denial and you don't need a ground presence. Just sprinkle bombs around.
Mines are a bad idea anyways, unless you're fighting in a shitty area and you have a sick plan to clean 'em up, and some way for all of your guys to know where they are 100% of the time.

>>51375444
>enemy digs it up
>they now have an extra bomb
>they just throw it out of an airplane like normal people

>>51375640
>"the most powerful weapon in our arsenal"
>Makes japan looks like swiss cheese after a few rounds
>Strong enough to create a massive EMP blast and make cars kilometers away fly

And why exactly would a nuke be better?

>>51375640
An N2 mine was literally a nuclear weapon with no radiation, anon, which was why they were used on conventional soil.

>>51376238

Also, this moored ship was set to detonate automatically once certain conditions were met, or so I think.

>>51376484
>airburst is the best way to nuke something

Suspended nuclear air-mines then?

>>51375444
Well, if we're throwing Geneva Conventions out of the window we might as well look into Anthrax mines, or Sarin mines or myriad of other chemicals that reliably kill people but leave infrastructure unharmed.

>>51376747
Most militaries have pretty good CBRN defences, these days.

>>51375604, >>51375640
The development materials suggest that N2 mines are basically equivalent in power to a nuclear fission bomb without the fallout.
However, AT Fields can keep out pretty much anything unfortunately.

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>Object 279

>Its elliptical shield also helped prevent it from overturning from the shockwaves of any possible explosions of the nuclear kind.

What now?

>>51376819
There's still a few nasty things that you can hurl at modern CBRN gear. Blister agents come to mind.

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>>51376172
>The Pluto SLAM
Oh God, that thing. If there ever was a proof that during the cold war you could get any military project, no matter how insane, funded as long as you included "we can use it to kill communists" into your presentation.

For those unaware, it's essentially a giant nuclear-powerd nuclear missile that shits out smaller nuclear missiles while flying at supersonic speed at low altitude (so that it'd be undetectable with long-distance radar; the fact that the pressure wave of it passing overhead would be enough to kill people and that its unshielded reactor contaminated everythign it flew over was considered a bonus).
The plan was that if the cold war turned hot and USA was about to get annihilated in a nuclear holocaust, as a final act of "fuck you, commies!" they'd release this infernal machine to fly on a pre-determined course over USSR, nuking eveyr major city, irradiating everything it flew over, and finally crashing into Moscow or other high-priority target so that its reactor would be breached and contaminate the surroundign area with enough radioactive waste to make it completely unlivable for the next several centuries.

The project actually got to the point where they built a prototype of the reactor meant to power the thing, and were considering building a small-scale prototype to test it in action. It was only at that point that anybody realised that they had no way to actually test the thing, because nobody would want it flying in the same continent they lived on. Plan to tie it to a big pole in the middle of the Nevade Desert was briefly considered, before being abandoned out of fear what would happen if the rope snapped (better hope it flies in the direction of something not important; nobody is going to miss Mexico, right?), and the project was quietly scuttled.

Still, it's not quite as dumb as the proposed nuclear-powered bomber, since at least in this case the fact that it would irradiate everything around it was intentional.

>>51376575
I don't think you get how big we can make fusion bombs now a days. We can do Armageddon level booms.

>>51376874
Modern fission bombs are not that bad in fallout.

>>51375444
Why?
Not questioning the idea in general but literally asking what scenario this would be useful in over other methods? I mean besides against fictional super robots and monsters.

>>51376646
>Bouncing Betty nuclear mines
Now we are talking

>>51376575
Somebody actually calculated the yield of the N2 mine in the first episode of Evangelion (you get pretty good shots of the explosion and the crater, so the size of the blast can be determined with reasonable accuracy). It's roughly equivalent to a decently-sized A-bomb (i.e. fission based, like the ones dropped in Hiroshima and Nagasaki). However, modern H-bombs (fusion based) would be at least an order of magnitude, if not several, more powerful.

>>51377803
I am now naming a raging barbarian BBEG of a campaign Pluto Slam

>>51378067
The real issue would be using stronger bombs in a civilian area, considering every angel, save... 2, iirc, showed up within miles of Tokyo-3, an inhabited metropolis.

>>51377822
And if N2 mines are, as various material implies, antimatter bombs, there is no hardcap on their size either.

You're telling me that nukes are better than everything just because we can make big nukes? In a setting with giant armored cyborgs, gravity-well exiting railguns, dimensional rifts and various aliens?
And that only with the original series. The rest has very blatant power creep.

Evangelion setting has nukes (Jet Alone having a nuclear reactor & Tokyo being nuked before the start of the series).
N2 mines are the most potent (non-Eva) weapon possessed by mankind in EVangelion.
Therefore N2 mines are more potent than nukes. Syllogism, oh.

>>51377803

Quality post. I bet /k/ loves this thing.

Why not just load a nuke on a SUV driven by robots? Better results, less loss of your own soldiers, and you can have the robot press the button to give yourself a step of mental seperation from the atrocity you've committed.

>>51378867

>Trusting the robots with nukes

>>51378867
Because that would be efficient.

>>51375773
there was a russian cartoon about that.

>>51376344
current bomobs are orders of magnitude then those experimental devices from 70 years ago.

>>51378867
Because if the robots get disabled somehow you now have an SUV full of nukes lying around completely undefended.

>>51379227
What if we set it up so if the SUV dips below a certain speed for too long the nukes go off.

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>>51375925
>>51377803
Resolving this peacefully was the most dumb idea evar. We could've had so much fun!

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>>51377803
I don't know what's more terrifying, the fact that this was seriously considered an option and even got so far as to have a prototype made, or the thundering erection I get from imagining this crime against humanity in action.

>>51378867
Because if some idiot rear-ends the thing your nukes go off at the wrong time.

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>>51379457
>a prototype
Only prototypes of the reactor-engine were made, not the airframe (they used heated and pressurised air to emulate the conditions needed for the ramjet to work).
But yes, there was a nuclear ramjet engine that was tested for about 5 mins at max power out in the Nevada test site, so it got to that point.

Bonus points for the testing at Jackass Flats, because sometimes life just hands these things out

>>51379410
Speed reboot.

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>>51376484
>you have a sick plan to clean 'em up
Just include a timing mechanism that deactivates the mine after some time. You know when it would be safe to cross the minefield, enemy does not. That's how it works with air dropped mines.

>>51379122
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NnJbtbh4tDE

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>>51375444
Can you make them a nuclear directed energy weapon?

>>51375925
>>51376172
>>51377803
You think that shit was bad?

Salted nukes.

Nukes loaded with cobalt. The cobalt will suck up the radiation of the blast, evaporate into cobalt gas in the explosion, and cover the entire planet in fast-irradiating heavily radioactive micro-sized cobalt droplets.

When you hear about "we have enough nukes to kill Earth 300 times over", people aren't talking about regular nukes. They are talking about what would happen if you would convert regular nukes in salted nukes.

Luckily, no one has ever built a salted nuke. Hell, even testing a salted nuke is a human extinction-risk event.

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>>51377803
> If there ever was a proof that during the cold war you could get any military project, no matter how insane, funded as long as you included "we can use it to kill communists" into your presentation.

And yet, the Orion Nuclear Pulse Drive Battleship never came to be.

>It is like a naughty little boy lighting a firecracker under a tin can. Except the tin can is a spaceship and the firecracker is a nuclear warhead.

>We had a design to reach Saturn in 1959.

http://www.projectrho.com/public_html/rocket/realdesigns2.php#id--Project_Orion

>>51375496
Well, in Salavation War nuke worked horribly right on angels with their super-regeneration giving them instant super-cancer.

>>51380752
desu with the low-fallout bombs we have today I could see making a one or two use lift system to get a couple really big things into orbit with this. Like the core of a massive spacebase.

>>51379430
>>51379457

I'm honestly kind of sad we don't have megaton-yield weapons anymore. Not that I want nuclear war, but if we do destroy civilization we might as well do it as flashy as possible.

Sure, multiple hundred-kiloton-yield warheads loaded onto a MIRV is far more practical than a single warhead with an equivalent total yield but I wish we'd kept a few of the really big motherfuckers anyways. Nothing like the testicle-retreating beauty of one of the Castle-series detonations.

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>>51380809
It could carry 10 International Space Stations in a single lift-off.

I realize how socially unsettling it is, but the missed oportunities still make me sad sometimes.

>>51380603

How bad is it that I read 'Propellant Dick' the first time I looked at this?

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My favorite crazy atomic contraption is the Orion nucler pulse propulsion drive (which does exactly what the name implies: effectively, it's a rocket that flied by dropping nukes behind itself and riding the "blast wave"), because unlike every other example of atomic wackiness it's not only completely practical, but also useful for something other that wiping mankind off the face of the planet.

Now, to understand why a rocket the flies by shitting out nuclear explosions can be called "practical" instead of "completely insane", you need to know a few things about spacecraft drives. I may be an engineer but I'm not a rocket designer, so I don't even pretend I can explain it in detail, but there's basically two big things you have to consider when building an engine for your space ship. One is acceleration, and the other is delta v, which is your ability to alter your speed, and which in space directly determines your max speed (since the longer you can keep accelerating, the faster you'll end up going).
Normally the two attributes are like the opposite end of a sliding scale: you can optimize for one, but the more you have of one, the less you have of the other. One one end of the scale you have your traditional chemical rockets. Great acceleration, but you burn your fuel very quickly so your delta v is very limited. On the other end of the scale you've got ion drives: thrust roughly equivalent to a mosquito's fart, but you use so little fuel that you can keep accelerating for years or decades (i.e. you have really high delta v), so you'll reach immense speeds if you can afford to wait long enough.

And then there's the Orion drive, which says "fuck you!" to all that bullshit and does both at the same time while riding a wave of nuclear fire and presumably doing a kickass guitar solo. The energy released by a nucler blast it so huge that the craft managed to not only have ridiculously high acceleration, but extremely good delta v as well.

>>51380982
the only problem i see on that it tat its a exclusively inter planetary/inter system ship drive, radiation s not just the only concern here, a ship thaat needs such engine need to be BIG and that engine only has on and off, no way of regulating speed or manuver without a big burst of speed

in short good for long drives, bad for everything else

>>51381555
I wouldn't really consider that a problem. Making a craft do both orbital launchs and actual space flights is actually a terrible idea, since the requirements are so different (the acceleration vs delta v problem again). Ideally you'd want one kind of craft for getting things to orbit, and then an entirely different one for getting things to Moon or Mars or wherever. Now, the Orion actually could o both, because it produces so much thrust it can just ignore the normal limitations, but that doesn't mean it should (especially since every landing and takeoff is going to turn the area into a glass parking lot and cause a statistically noticeable upswing in cancer-related deaths). It's a drive that lets you get to Mars in a week and Alpha Centauri in 50 years; it doesn't need to be practical for driving to the grocery store or taking a short jump to the International Space Station.

>>51381808
yeah its a spacetruck engine, made for long hauls and lift off, but alone, it sucks for anything that needs a slow and/or precision manouvering, like docking

>>51379410
what if there's a traffic jam

>>51376924
Good luck trying to turn, buddy.

>>51377946

This, modern nukes are very clean.

The issue we have now isn't so much the radiation, but the dust kicked up that could fuck up the environment.

>>51381911
Road rage on a scale never seen before.

Though not a doomsday device, bomb-pumped lasers are interesting in that the nuclear warhead detonation is incidental to the main effect of the weapon. What matters more are the multiple x-ray lasers mounted to the casing, which will pick individual targets. Intended for orbital Ballistic Missile Defense, once each laser had a target, the bomb would go off, with the warhead's X-ray flux powering each laser briefly, but strongly. Great one-shot design.

Another thing that comes to mind is relativistic Kinetic Kill Vehicles. An object with equivalent mass to a can of coke would impact with around eight megatons.

>>51382486

Yeah, but you have to accelerate it to that speed in the first place.

>>51382940
Which makes me wonder: If you start with a launch armature in space, and use an Operation Plumbbob-style projectile, could you use multiple nukes in series to accelerate a small-ish projectile to relativistic speed?

>>51383227
But if we used magic (or some really impossible science) the whole thing would be easier. Just put the thing in a vacuum chamber, align the falling object perfectly to the earth, and drop it between two portals. Should reach relativistic speeds within a year, with around 1,280,190 seconds to spare.

>>51375444
About as useful as nuclear depth charges.

I mean, what do you use that for, killing a large school of whales in as little time as possible?

>>51383314
It's tough to know exactly where a submarine is, but if you know a general area, the water hammer will crush the fuck out of it for you. As an added benefit, it'll crush submarines you *didn't* know were there too.

I'm more interested in the possible invention of nuclear blimps.

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>>51383337
There's a reason that most countries replaced them with mark 54 torpedoes though

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>>51383314
>I mean, what do you use that for, killing a large school of whales in as little time as possible?

Yes. Fuck the ocean and everything that lives within.

>>51377803
>implying the US and other allies don't already have something nearly identical

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trident_(missile)

>>51383374
>Blimp powered by dropping nuclear bombs and riding the shockwave
That's some kind of

>>51379168
Only the larger ones. Anything small enough to be used as a mine has an incredibly small yield.

>>51381914
It doesn't need to turn. It'll go straight to Berlin.

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>>51375543
>believing Illuminati propaganda

>>51375478
Maxim 37: There is no "overkill." There is only "open fire" and "reload."

http://schlockmercenary.wikia.com/wiki/The_Seventy_Maxims_of_Maximally_Effective_Mercenaries

>>51378036
>>51376646

We John Ringo up in here.

>>51379457
>>51380895
I feel your pain anons. I'm pretty into nuclear politics, but I find it hard when people assume that I'm into non-proliferation and pansy stuff like that, and I can't say anything because then I'm a sociopath with no regard for human life.

But seriously, if we gave every country nukes and had an agreement that any attack on another country would result in nuclear obliteration, war would be solved in a snap

>>51383473
Trident only nukes the target. Pluto nukes the target and Chernobyls everything under its flight path.

One flight plan included setting it up to just trace figure 8s across the USSR until it was shot down (because it'd take over 40 days for it to use up it's reactor and crash).
>>51383380
Yeah, arms control treaties.
>>51380982
Delta V is acceleration potential.

The second component to the suitability of a rocket fuel, beyond plain test stand thrust, is exhaust velocity. The faster your exhaust velocity, the better your rocket will work at extreme velocities.

60% of an Orion Drive's thrust is from photons. So the Orion drive will work better at high speeds than any chemical rocket or ion drive ever made.

>>51377803
>a giant nuclear-powerd nuclear missile that shits out smaller nuclear missiles while flying at supersonic speed at low altitude
>the fact that the pressure wave of it passing overhead would be enough to kill people and that its unshielded reactor contaminated everythign it flew over was considered a bonus
>to tie it to a big pole in the middle of the Nevade Desert was briefly considered
AdMech would be proud.

>>51387833
>if we gave every country nukes and had an agreement that any attack on another country would result in nuclear obliteration, war would be solved in a snap

Eh, while I agree that the threat of MAD has been probably prevented another massive war between the superpowers I don't think that giving nukes to everyone is a good idea.

MAD only works as a deterrent if the people hovering around the button are relatively sane and intelligent enough to understand the consequences. But you put that shit in the hands of, say, North Korea - or worse yet, a group that actually wants apocalypse like ISIS - and not only does the deterrent factor largely go out the window but things actually risk going in the other direction.

>>51381555

That and launching the thing anywhere near our gravity well would completely ruin the satellite network because of the resulting EMP's from the nuclear blasts.

And the fact that getting it into orbit is a nightmare because if there is any crash, even with conventional rockets, you have a problem. Orion Pulse rockets are basicly giant Coke vending machines.

But instead of delicious Coca-Cola, you have nuclear bombs.

So if it crashes, instead of spilled Coca-Cola, you have enriched plutonium. If anyone launched one, after getting past all the treaties preventing the use of nukes in space, there would be a line of Lawyers waiting to prosecute the offending country for crimes against humanity.

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>>51377803

Yeah, but I just thought of something.

If you needed a coverup for an effective space fighter with 1950's Era technology this would make a good early stage of that.

Maybe we use a Nuclear Thermal rocket instead of the ramjet for the final design. Maybe the targetting systems are set for orbital or deep space objects.

>I've had a setting in my mind for a while about a Cold War secret history story where the arms race was the public face of war with ETIs. It's all kept top secret to prevent mass panic, and kicked off just after WWII. They abduct people and violate our aerospace, and the US and Soviets basically just shoot at them from orbit. With Casaba Howitzers, SDI, and a small fleet of pic related. Sometimes we hit them, we don't. Like the Right Stuff with The Fourth Kind and some Das Boot.

>spess

Fuck it. I wasn't gonna shrill, but anyone in this thread who hasn't heard of it check out Children of a Dead Earth. It's a realistic space combat sim with pretty accurate physics where you can tweak your ships down to the elemental composition of their structures. All components in game are modeled after real world white paper concepts.

>Single player only though. And electromagnetics are bit messed up still, but the Dev is active with updates.

>>51377803
>(better hope it flies in the direction of something not important; nobody is going to miss Mexico, right?)
I'm regretting that the military didn't test their suicidal missile-shitting mega-missile even more now.

>>51379122
What I dont understand about that cartoon is it was supposed to be able to sense fear and would kill anything that it sensed. And the aboriginals clearly feared it at one pont if I remember.

>>51388069
North Korea already has nuclear weapons , and seeing the people who led foreign policy under Obama's administration (let's give weapons to jihadists and befriend Saudi Arabia! Great plan) they are probably a lot more mentally sane too.

>>51391349
Yeah, but with their delivery systems, they're more likely to nuke themselves than anyone else.

>>51387564
The Maxims are pretty great
https://mega.nz/#!KlUBnbCT!4AkCQ4ymrwuxxB6dDcuVNgRqsnqg1cQdOgCAZnIkC1Y

>>51375444
See the problem is that you usually place landmines in order to limit access to an area which you want to protect.

So the only reasonable application for nuclear landmines I can think of is a Korea style scenario, in which case go for it.

>>51388318

That setting sounds rad as hell

>>51380603

>Now, if you replace the tungsten with a material with a low [atomic number], the plasma jet will instead have a high velocity at a narrow angle ("high velocity" meaning "a recognizable fraction of the speed of light")
>recognizable fraction of the speed of light
oh baby

>>51375444
>Johnny Bumblefuck and his dog trigger one accidentally 10 years after the war and irradiate the surrounding landscape for the next several decades

>>51388188
>>51388188
Launch from the magnetic north pole. No dust to create fallout, and the planets magnetic field guides the charged particles/emp up and out. Wouldn't hit anything in LEO and there's not a great deal of polar stuff that you couldn't plan around.
Plus you could easily carry a replacement for every satellite ever launched including most launch vehicles so it should be a huge issue.
It's almost entirely politics and perceptions holding it back

>>51392836
They were intended for placement in the Fulda Gap at one point, in order to blunt a Soviet advance. A motor guards rifle division would (in theory) have difficulty advancing through the highly radioactive fallout zone without incurring lethal dosages.

>>51392836
>the only reasonable application for nuclear landmines I can think of is a Korea style scenario

Cheaper (if we recycle our now-unnecessary anti-Russia nuclear stockpile) and more entertaining than a border wall.

>>51377803
> tfw they are present in A Colder War

>>51375444
Rendered useless and excesive by the nuclear missile in heaps.

>>51377803
>final act
None of them were made with that in mind actually, they were like nukes, made to prevent the enemy to fire nukes in the first place.

Honestly they were made more in mind of "Fuck you, your nukes are shit now. BEND BITCH." Humanity might be collectively retarded, but its a happy retard and not very suicidal.

>>51397794

Are you seriously suggesting that in order to stop a few immigrants from illegally crossing our borders we should enact a defensive system that ultimately irradiates large swaths of Texas, New Mexico, Arizona and Southern California? Because if so where do I sign the petition?

>>51375444
They're good.

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>>51383374
>Illustration by Frank Tinsley of the Wingfoot LTA Society for the 1957 book 'Airships in the Atomic Age' by Edwin J. Kirschner, University of Illinois Press.

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>>51398655
>"Mechanix Illustrated" magazine, III-1956.

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>>51398689

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>>51398759
>Nuclear Airship concept from the "Smena" magazine (USSR, 1962).

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>>51398781
>Aтoмный влacтитeль нeбa
>"Tekhnika Molodezhi" magazine, Russia, 1971

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>>51375444
I think it's a wonderful idea.

>>51380922

There's no reasion you can't put a load of dildos in the propellant.

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>>51398809

>when you notice the propeller blades are the height of the rear of a cruise ship

>>51396890
>Launch from the magnetic north pole.

You mean the large patch of water? The patch of water so large that large hurricanes form there?

>>51402349

Its a big aircraft.

>>51402402
Never heard of any hurricanes forming there, should be too cold for major storm systems like that to form.

But yes, that large patch of water, that's the point, water can't be irradiated to form fallout.

>>51380752
>>51380809
>>51380910
one of the main reasons this is never going to get further development is because of nuclear proliferation fears. a big part of the project is nuclear miniaturization, and the DoD doesn't even want to consider the risk of designs of suitcase nukes being stolen and sold, even if that risk is small.

>>51375444
Dig a hundred foot diameter pit.

Put a nuke at the bottom.
Put about five feet of water.
Put a big nickle-iron cap on the hole.
Detonate the nuke, shoot down spaceships in orbit.

>>51403028
Wouldn't wolframium do it better?

>>51403496
Doesn't really matter, tbphwy

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>>51391604
That's worse than if they hit someone else. South Korea alone could defeat South Korea. The real threat is the after.

The leader keeps a fragile balance between the military forces and the secret police. We give food to them so the balance continues.

So a defeated North Korea would have
>civil war between those two factions
>30 million alienated people, winner gets to feed, clothe and find a use for them all. To do so would bankrupt anyone.
>geopolitical hotspot midway between Japan, China and Korea.
>a land full of bunkers, we can't be sure we mapped all of them.
>The refuge crisis is at least as big as the current one.
>a vacuum for all kinds of asian extremists to fill in.
>Possible asian ISIS with nuclear weapons.
>Everybody goes from 'oh shit!' all the way down to 'imminent prolapse'.
>There'll be Dwarf Fortress FUN all over the country.

Please tell me why I'm wrong. The whole scenario worries me a lot.

>>51404337
Just inch the border a foot north every year.

>>51404337
>>Possible asian ISIS with nuclear weapons.
Is this really a worry.

>>51391349
You realize we've been doing that since the 70's, right? That's been America's middle eastern policy since before most of the people here were born. Singling out Obama is retarded.

>>51404548
Yeah, but he probably supported those presidents, whereas Obama is the islamic ayatolla who's going to instate sharia law

>>51404337
>South Korea alone could defeat North Korea.
Is what I believe you meant to say.

>South Korea alone could defeat South Korea.
While deceptively similar to the mathematical assumption that x = x, does not necessarily hold true, particularity if you're talking about South Korea as a whole rather than two sides with the same name.

More seriously, while I don't think Asian ISIS would be a thing, I think(not a expert here!) remnants of the NK government going First Order is a worrying possibility.

>>51375444
>Thoughts on nuclear landmines?
Very convenient. Without mining nuclear land, where would we get the uranium for our power plants?

>>51398001
>A Colder War
love this story

>>51398001
>>51405349
A Colder War is one of my favourite short stories, the combination of Lovecraftian terror and Cold War fear is two great tastes that go great together. If you've ever wondered what the CIA and KGB would make of Lovecraft's horrors, read on:
http://www.infinityplus.co.uk/stories/colderwar.htm

It's not quite my favourite short story though. That would be "A Tall Tail" also by Charles Stross: if you want to know what the craziest rocket that could be designed is (making Pluto SLAM look like a dud firework), check out what happens when you let scientists off the chain:
www.tor.com/stories/2012/07/a-tall-tail

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>>51404804
>>51404502
>Don't think Asian ISIS would be a thing

The empire of Japan would like a word with you.

>>51407380
>Asian ISIS
More like the Aum Shinrikyo doomsday cult that conducted the Japanese subway attack with sarin. Those fuckers were nuts.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aum_Shinrikyo

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>>51375444
Not as crazy as nuclear air to air missiles.

>>51380397
You do know that in the timed disarm in pfm mines is mostly bullshit since it either does not work properly or they use soviet era surplus

>>51375444
Does your setting include walking mega-mechs a la Spirit of Motherwill ? Good, nuke miles are useful.
It doesn't ? A bit too overkill, what are you planning on killing with that ?

As for area denial, I like the idea of having the country that would be deploying those insted make a few nuclear tests here and there and then leak footage to the world. After that the bury some containers in the desert with a few actual conventional but huge mines here and there. And there you have it, eeveryone believes these people have nuclear mines.

>>51404337
This seems like it could easily be solved by lacing the food aid with birth-control drugs and waiting a few generations.

>>51376484
>>51376646
bouncing betty style nuke mines is the answer. a smaller explosion catapults them into the air then boom air burst.

>>51406606
>A Colder War
>A Tall Tail
My African American of a friendly persuasion! Great nuclear-era stories both.

>>51406606
>>51409479
I really enjoyed it among other things for the subtle hints that it isn't quite like our own world; eg, the US having nuclear-powered bombers and missiles; those are things that were briefly toyed with by both sides but written off.

They give you a sort of early warning.

>http://www.bbc.com/news/world-38760792

Two-and-a-half minutes to midnight.

Grab on to your ankles.

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>>51412578
>Grab on to your ankles.

Can't. Bloody backpack too bloody heavy...

>>51377803
I love that thing, I love how insane it is.
Imagine fighting against a power with missiles like that.
You can't hear it, it flies faster than the sound. But you can see it, a silvery dart weaving beneath the clouds. It descends to treetop level, the schockwave from it's ramjet tears up trees and renders houses into dust leaving a plume of dirt and dust and fire.
It passes over your column, a few hundred meters or so away. Throwing a BTR into a ditch and turning closeby conscripts into a red mush.
The noise is deafening. Your ears bleed. Your nose bleeds. There's dust everywhere and you can't even hear your geiger counter going crazy.
It speeds off toward the horizon, toward the captured railyard you've called home.
A flash of light.
A mushroom cloud.
The men beside you gasp in awe and horror. Then there's a another flash, and another in a line. The dart heads out to sea, to the fleet. It gains altitude, screaming into the clouds. Seeding the skies with invisible death.
You can barely make out the contrails of SAMs and tracers in the distance, but the dart is too quick, it dances around in the sky and lobs thermo-nuclear annihilation at anything that moves. The battle is over in minutes. Huge plumes of black smoke and fading mushroom clouds surround you and your group. In the coming hours the clouds weep black poison, and beyond the smoke you swear you can still see the angel of death screeching through the air, glimmering in the midday sun.

It will fly for two more months before crashing into a fortified command center.
Days later you all die from cancer and radiation sickness.

>>51414789
And as in A Colder War, sic transit gloria hominum.

>>51375444
Yes.
No kill like overkill.

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>>51412578
>BBC
>grab on to your ankles

>>51408414
>what are you planning on killing with that
A motor guards rifle division, typically

>>51419103
Good job finding yourself.