/srg/ Shadowrun General

>>51361032
less errors

>captcha: tarot dress
I'm pretty sure that is in Cutting Aces

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>>51361274
Good one, anon. Next you'll want it to be consistent with previously established fluff.

And if the tarot dress isn't in Cutting Aces, it's going to be in the Tarot Deck book they're also putting out.

Has anyone done anything with the Sixth World Deck of Many Things?

>>51361422
>Good one, anon. Next you'll want it to be consistent with previously established fluff.
I don't think we'll have to worry about that, given how deeply involved Bull's self-insert is involved with the Ork Underground. Or at least, we won't have to worry about for the Ork Underground anyways.

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>>51361485
IIRC from Emerald Shadows, Bull's pulled out of that scene after the death of his activist daughter. Don't know if Steven is still invested in the Underground as a writer.

But hopefully we can actually get some good art of the Underground for once.

>>51361032

Black Forest Kingdom for sure. Ever since I heard about that place I thought it sounded like the dopest shit and I've wanted to know more.

>>51361032
Metavariants are a big not since base ork is best ork. Something on the Black Forest would be awesome especially since our team is close to it and my ork sam may pay it a visit. Also isnt it Republic now instead of Kingdom?
On a side not the Or'zet reminded me of something. With the high Intuition needed for perception, initiative and dodging on street sams they turn to be second best linguists in the game. Damm int mages.

>>51361569
It's a Republic instead of a Kingdom, now.
It was highly suggested several times that the king was the Great Dragon Kaltenstein in a metshuman disguise, especially since when Kaltenstein died suddenly the King of said kingdom never appeared again.

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>>51361866
I thought he was the troll vizier, and when he stopped propping up the king (who was a good-hearted but simple puppet) revolution happened.

>>51361552
>IIRC from Emerald Shadows, Bull's pulled out of that scene after the death of his activist daughter.
The one that got killed by the Mayan Killer copycat, right? I remember a reference to that from that one mission in Sprawl Wilds.

You know it's funny, those two missions in Sprawl Wilds are all I've really heard about the Ork Underground and I still don't see why it's such a big deal. But then I'm too busy being an illegal immigrant with PTSD to care about being discriminated against because of metatype.

Anubody wanna share their custom metatypes/metavariants?

So... I've grown up on classic shadowrun.
Technomancers weren't a thing then.

I gotta ask though. What the fuck is a Pornomancer?

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>>51362685
Not at all related. It's a max CHA mage with Orgasm and similar spells.

How are the Shadowrun novels? I looked up shadowrun on a whim while shopping for so some books on Amazon and I saw that the Charrette books are going for a buck each if you buy them digitally

>>51362685
Emotitoys and various other social boosters get broken as hell when you stack them right.

>>51362717
That's not what they are, Pornomancers are a min-maxing exercise in getting the largest possible con dice pool in existence by stacking qualities and magic bonuses, so they can talk the pants off basically anyone. They may well have the orgasm/orgy spells as it's thematic but that's not what makes someone a pornomancer.

>>51362781
>Emotitoys
A what now?

>>51362856
It always bugs me that Con is the skill used for seduction. Surely, there must be a way to get into someone's pants that doesn't involve deceiving or bribing them in some way.

>>51362894
Palming works, but the penalties to do it unnoticed are probably obscene.

Still, once you have their pants on, you can probably negotiate with a crazy bonus.

>>51362917
You know that's not what I meant you bloody trog.

>>51362860
basically tamagochi drones

>Emotitoys: Emotitoys are sophisticated electronic toys programmed
>with empathy software (see p. 60) to recognize metahuman
>body language and facial expressions, thus giving them a limited ability
>to sense emotions and react appropriately, based on their purpose.
>
>Due to aggressive marketing campaigns by Aztechnology, Horizon,
>and other corps, emotitoys are extremely popular even among adults,
>with hipsters everywhere sporting emotitoys that dangle from their
>commlinks or climb around their clothing. Emotitoys come in a wide
>variety of styles, such as the gothic Grue, the cheerful Chirpichu,
>and the colorful Moodwyrm. Some are animatronic but nonmobile,
>while others are functional minidrones.
>
>Shadowrunners have also embraced the emotitoy craze,
>bringing their “friends” along to meets to get an edge during negotiations,
>using the toy’s sensors and empathy soft ware to get a
>read on the other side.
>
>The rating of the emotitoy is the rating of its built-in empathy
>software.


>>51362917
>once you have their pants on
chummer, I know runners usually have to steal some things to push up their money, but taking their clothes goes a bit too far

>>51362894
well, con is the skill used to convince someone to do something they otherwise wouldn't
what skill would you use? Negotiation? Etiquette? Intimidation?

>>51362943
I felt it made a better joke than Intimidate, Impersonation, Negotiation or Performance would.

I think I could have come up with an equally good one for Leadership, but couldn't see it. Rally, I needed some more time before I could find my Inspire-ation.

>>51362894
It's the closest skill out of those present, and it's an action that doesn't really deserve it's own distinct skill. Seduction is essentially an act of persuasion and con would be the skill you'd use to convince someone of something. The closest other candidate in negotiation.

>>51363039
I suppose if your character was some sort of pick up artist, maybe you could take seduction as a form of performance.

>>51362894
Seduction is a specialization of Con, yeah, but I could imagine some situations where you'd use some other skill. Or none at all. Some people do it for you, and some people just don't.

>>51362993
>>51363055
>>51363130
Assuming a scenario where the other party was open to getting laid in the first place and you're just putting on the charm to convince them you're the one they want to go home with tonight (like a dance club or wherever the fuck normies go to perform their vulgar mating displays), I'd say it's Negotiation. If it's one of those courtly romance things, Ettiquette. Trying to score with a woman by disguising yourself as her husband? Gonna need to see some impersonation, maybe some other rolls too. Intimidation only comes up when she's into really freaky stuff.

>>51363039
>>51363089
>dad jokes
Why do you do this?

>>51363186
Because I'm working on an Oyaji-and-Gal NPC runner pair.

What are the major differences between 4E and 5E and is it worth it to switch? My group barely knows the 4E rules anyway so I figure if we're going to we aught to now.

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>>51363240
Here comes the edition war, everybody!

>>51363290
I hope not, im mostly interested in the crunchier aspects of hacking and how the limits system actually works. It seems like a way to limit cheese, which is sort of cool and sort of not.

>>51363186
Negotiation as seduction just puts me in mind of this 80's movie Cherry 2000 a cyberpunkish/post-apocalypsey film which had a scene with corp types at a single bar negotiating hook ups through their lawyers, with contracts spelling out the acts performed. IT ws very surreal and makes me find the idea of using negotiation for seduction kind feel off.

>>51363366
>corp types at a single bar negotiating hook ups through their lawyers, with contracts spelling out the acts performed.
That legitimately sounds like a thing that happens in Shadowrun.

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>>51363326
>im mostly interested in the crunchier aspects of hacking

As in, "You want crunchy aspects to hacking"? Then you get 5e, because 4e is the whole crunch is "buy a high-rating agent, fuck deckers".

Other than that, Limits stop cheese to a certain extent (specifically adept cheese), and some other things in 5e are imo better, like making rigging viable again. If you can get through the editing, I'd switch to 5. rpg.stackexchange has a decent breakdown.

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>>51363240
4E has lower Skillcap and everybody can hack with his comlink
5E has Limits and Decking is back

Play 4E if you want better editing and plenty of powercreep
Play 5E if you want better rules and a bit less of "spec-ops at char-gen"

>>51362993
>but taking their clothes goes a bit too far
>not pawning underwear of the pop idol you were extracting last mission

>>51363326
5e has awful, awful editing but the rules are overall better. Mages are less broken
, melee is less worthless, and guns don't need full auto to do damage.

The starting power level in 5e is much lower, about on par with swat teams instead of spec ops commandos.

The rules are mostly the same, so learning one makes learning the other pretty easy.

>>51363973
>Mages are less broken
ha

Next Run for my players involves infiltrating a Magical Research Lab for some type of HMHVV Critter. I thought about using some Goblins for the D&D-ness of it all, but I'm wondering if anyone has some art to convince me one way or the other.

>>51364270
>Next Run for my players involves infiltrating a Magical Research Lab for some type of HMHVV Critter.
For what purpose? This is actually important to your selection of Infected.

>>51364304
ghoul, he's the chief researcher there

>>51364270
Depends on what sort of theme you want to go for. I always wanted to run a job to go investigate a remote lab where they were examining a wendigo, but the place's wagemage lied about his qualification and the wendigo has now taken over and is now ruling the place with his psychic coercion.

>>51363995
>>51363995
Compared to 4e, combat spells are weaker, spirits are weaker, and drain values for some of the most egregious spells like turn to goo went up considerably. Adept got better, but mages did not.

>>51364367
>>51364304
I haven't thought it through totally. I usually pick a "setpiece" or theme and just go for it. Basically, the Runners are getting twisted up with a corporation with a lot of Vampiric senior management. I want to expose them to the kind of creatures said corporation might use against their enemies. In a situation where they might not be outright killed

>>51364567
Start by brainstorming why Mr.Johnson would want this particular critter. Maybe it's the Dzoo-noo-qua that pissed off the Triads that the one guy bitching about being stuck in Canada knew.

>>51363704
>As in, "You want crunchy aspects to hacking"? Then you get 5e, because 4e is the whole crunch is "buy a high-rating agent, fuck deckers".
The buy in for basic bitch decking in 4e is low, but the complexity is higher than 5e.

What options are there for rules-light Shadowrun, and how would you rank them?

Anarchy?
That Blades in the Dark hack?
Something else?

>>51364782
It's a Mutaqua, actually.

>>51364870
Blades has flashbacks. All heist games need flashbacks.

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>>51364870
Blades in the Dark, The Sprawl with a couple modified playbooks, homebrew FATE, Anarchy.

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>>51364870
maybe?

Say a Runner gets hurt. Bad. No DocWagon, no Medic, No Hope. They get dropped off at a Hospital and the Hospital doesn't immediately detect their Fake SIN. When they give care, is this just the Hospitalized Life Style and regular Natural Recovery? Or is a Doctor going to apply his Medicine skills to hasten recovery?

>>51365226
I'd say Hospitalized Life Style and regular Natural Recovery but your mileage may vary depending on the hospital/doctor in question.

>>51365226
To add on to what >>51365306 said, hope that it's not a corp controlled hospital.

They might not do charity beyond keeping you from dying, if that.

>>51363995
>he thinks mages are more broken
pffft

>>51365226
Realistically - fellow chummers show up either to take you some place with real care or to tie loose ends.

>>51365226
>When they give care, is this just the Hospitalized Life Style and regular Natural Recovery

First this

If he can pay:
>Or is a Doctor going to apply his Medicine skills to hasten recovery?

Clinics are already moneygrabbers today.
If a Chummer can pay and isn't causing Problems (like some HTR of the own corp knocking at the door), he is a good customer.

>>51364915
Stay away from those. They get your apartments burned down.

>>51362894
>he thinks that romantic and sensual attraction can be anything other than a pile of lies

Get this hothead out of my dystopian nightmare.

>>51362894
>Surely, there must be a way to get into someone's pants that doesn't involve deceiving or bribing them in some way.
>>>/soc/erpg is that way

Hoi chummers, in a little bit of a bind here. Trying to find good layouts to use for a medium and minimum security lockups. Noooot having the greatest of luck, so I thought I'd take my chances out here. Any help would be appreciated; and if the Medium sec lockup has a holding area of mages or a basement, even better.

So, /srg/ I have a question
I am GMing a SR 4e game (inb4 "I'm so sorry for you")
One of my players is playing a druid mage, that at some point wants to initiate
Street Magic says that to initiate you should do an initiation rite for it, giving as an example:
>A shaman may perform a vision quest in the tribal sweat lodge;
>an aboriginal koradji may go on a walkabout;
>Aztec nahualli may need to bond with her animal twin in the wild;
>a hermetic mage may have to study diligently;
>a qabbalist may need to perform intricate purification rituals;
>or a shamanic adept may need to best her totem animal in combat.

what would you say should be the initiation rite for a druid?
How much of a obstacle should this be?

>>51367396
>what would you say should be the initiation rite for a druid?
Grow some kickass weed?
Forge a sickle?
Brew a magic potion? Asterix and Obelix style
Maybe tame an animal or something?

Should be something related to nature I guess, kind of hard to thing of something in Seattle though.
Maybe participate in some kind of environmental project?

>>51367520
first: not seattle, AGS. So there is far more than enough green space in the vicinity
second: yeah, those seem good, thanks chummer

>>51366687
>>51366730
Hey now, you've forgotten something important: the thing that really makes makes a futuristic dystopia dark isn't the complete lack of light. It's the few remaining sparks of brightness that make everything else seem so terribly pitch black by comparison; those last bits of light that you encounter too rarely for them to brighten up the place, but also too frequently to let your eyes adjust to the darkness.

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>>51367396
He needs to go on a Spirit Quest with the forest nymphs and get super trippy spirit sex before being tasked to toast some factory that's shitting out highly flammable waste.

>>51367619
>He needs to go on a Spirit Quest with the forest nymphs and get super trippy spirit sex
Do you want some kind of freaky half-spirit/spiritborn kids? Because that's how you get freaky half-spirit/spiritborn kids.

>>51367520
I second growing some kickass weed. Kickass deepweed and sharing it with the unwashed masses and fight some corporate goons because they don't wanna share your kickass weed.

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>>51366826
Where? Downtown Seattle, small town in the PCC, Renraku industrial facility? Also, what size?

>>51367757
Sorry, should have been specific. One is a small low-security lockup, the other is a larger Medium Security lockup (but not gigantic). Both are located in Denver, the CAS sector specifically.

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>>51367991
Relabel the towers as guard outposts, the dorms as cells, and you have a lovely Panopticon.

>>51368034
Thanks, this has some potential.

I've also got a secondary question, unrelated to the first. How would you guys say an Aztex Tradition Shaman that's on the verge of becoming Twisted, and who follows the Seductress Mentor spirit (who is twisting alongside her) would act?

She's recently been freed from an incredibly degrading and traumatizing captivity and is in the care of one of her former students (and lovers); who hasn't realized how badly she's been affected. I want to give them a chance to talk her down, but what sort of warning signs should there be in her behavior?

>>51368242
>How would you guys say an Aztex Tradition Shaman that's on the verge of becoming Twisted, and who follows the Seductress Mentor spirit (who is twisting alongside her) would act?
>I want to give them a chance to talk her down, but what sort of warning signs should there be in her behavior?
EVERYBODY'S GETTING LAID THIS SESSION

>>51368242
>How would you guys say an Aztex Tradition Shaman that's on the verge of becoming Twisted, and who follows the Seductress Mentor spirit (who is twisting alongside her) would act?
Let me answer this question with a question:

Is this an ERP campaign?

Keeping that question in mind, frame it as you deem appropriate.

>>51366076
>If a Chummer can pay and isn't causing Problems (like some HTR of the own corp knocking at the door), he is a good customer.
On that note, how many dice does the good doctor roll for Medicine while helping out a patient at a hospital?

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>>51368242
Strong feelings of helplessness with an equally strong urge to gain control of the situation by any means necessary. Forcing her lover to get weapons and be ready to use them at a moment's notice (and strapping a K-10 autoinjector to him she can remote activate) when he was not a violent guy before, throwing every seduction technique she has at someone to convince them to go with her on trivial things (like choice of meeting spot, what brand of soymilk to get, etc). A desire to indulge in excess and lose herself in the music, the moment, you own it, but her paranoia forces her to stay on top of every minute detail of the arrangements and ongoing party, with the whiplash of going back and forth making it clear she's going to break at one of these events into either total debauchery or an anal-retentive massacre over the colour of strapon the street samurai is using.


>who follows the Seductress Mentor spirit (who is twisting alongside her)

No,

>>51368450
Nooot really, but the group has some fairly large boundaries on what they'll put up with, especially if it's for legit RP.

>>51368465
>No.

I meant it more in terms of the Dark Twin phenomena, or does that only happen when the mage has fully succumbed to the Twisting?

>>51368478
Just don't do it.

>>51368513
I meant more in that the Mentor Spirit itself wouldn't be twisting. Her understanding of it, and it's relationship to her, may be taking a dark turn, but despite what the Dark Twin says about 'maybe it's all in the mages head, maybe they're actually changing the spirit' you can't alter a mentor spirit. It's not an idea supported anywhere else, that one practitioner should have the ability to alter these primordial superspirits.

>>51368556
Alright, poor phrasing on my part there then.

Other than that, some very good suggestions, thanks.

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>>51368556
I've more interpreted it as "embracing the dark side of the mentor's philosophy" anyways...though disappointingly, Street Grimoire did not go into any detail of what that entailed. Pity, I was quite curious to see what the "dark side" of having a Shark mentor spirit would look like.

>>51368675
free cyberpsychosis even if you have no cyber to speak of

>>51368791
>have cyberpsychosis
>become Burnout Adept
>gain Dark Shark mentor spirit
>now you have double cyberpsychosis

>>51368791
>cyberpsychosis even if you have no cyber to speak of

This makes me think. Would cyberpsychosis apply to someone who got really low essence from things like bioware and gene-modding? Or a person who got 5 Leonizations?

>>51368951
It could.
>Low essence Bioware
I remember people talking about those before. Called 'em Franks.

What does Goblin Rock sound like?

>>51368460
id give average suburban hospital doc 12 dice, street doc 9, and downtown med facility doc 15. I'd bump it 3 if they were like a veteran, leader-type, or some kind of specialist.

>>51369053
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ryD8bPwFaAM

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>>51369053
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KsMKOx6fumc

>>51361552

Bull actually doesn't rite much dialog for Bull anymore, allegedly.

>>51368340
Well the plan right now is that she's going to try to seduce one of the party to gain an advantage in the new situation when she comes too, but her target is kind of heavily involved with another PC. Like devoted to the point that IC he was possibly contemplating suicide by combat to free her up to find a compatible mate to give her the children she wants. Soooo yeah, that's going to fail hard, but it'll give the break for the other PC to at least try and get through to her while she's dealing with someone suddenly *not* wanting to treat her like a disposable piece of ass.

>>51368460
SR133
Always look to the books before asking. They're a poorly edited fucking mess but it's in there.

>>51369165
>Bull is, perhaps metaphysically, no longer himself

>>51369197
>SR133
But that's the "physical active skills" page.

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>>51369192
>Like devoted to the point that IC he was possibly contemplating suicide by combat to free her up to find a compatible mate to give her the children she wants.
Oh boy, I remember reading about this on the Shadowrun forum. She's a wolf changeling, any they can't have babies because humans and wolves don't have compatible genes, right? Honestly, those two would be so much happier if they were science nerds who could "create new life" together in a lab or something.

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>>51369356
>She's a wolf changeling, any they can't have babies because humans and wolves don't have compatible genes, right?

>>51368460
>how many dice does the good doctor roll for Medicine while helping out a patient at a hospital?
I wonder how things like teamwork and medkits would factor into that.

Say you have a good professional doctor. He rolls 12 dice on his own because he knows his shit. He has a decent 750¥ rating 3 medkit running wirelessly that gives him six extra dice. He has two or three lower-expertise assistants in the form of nurses or intern-level kids (probably 6 to 9 dice each) working a teamwork test to give him like 5 extra dice. That's already 20 dice.

If you have a really nice hospital willing to get really talented and experienced doctors (16-18 dice?), give them fancy-ass 3000¥ medkits (+6), plus assistants/grad-students who know their stuff (for teamwork), you could easily top 30 dice, maybe even push it to 40 for legendary medical professionals.

That's not even counting things like a wage-mage buffing the doctor, or casting heal with reagents if it's an ER.

>>51369409
>Furries.jpg
Oh do I even want to open that?
>edit of a comic into anons slaughtering furries
Oh phew, it was worth it.

>>51369356
Yeah, I abandoned the science angle altogether, going with an amalgam of the various magical suggestions. A ritual, that needs a specific artifact, which turns out to be only part of the actual artifact to make the ritual stable and not produce random SURGE in everyone in a five mile radius. All leading back to the whole shebang being a 4th Age deceased Great Dragon's pet project for crafting hybrid races (like the centaurs).

And of course all the problems and competition that comes from chasing *any* artifact, but especially one related to the Dragons.

>>51369409
Nooot quite like that. Balthazar is kind of a misanthrope to start with, and until he met his current team his view of metahumanity as a whole was that they were all untrustworthy backstabbing barbarians that wouldn't piss on him if he was on fire.

The fact that the first person to help him out of pure altruism was an animal kind of reinforced this image.

>>51369487
You know, if they ever do have that kid, they are going to have such an ace in the hole to play on him.
>"You ungrateful little brat, after all your mother and I had to do just to even be able to procreate at all!"

>>51369409
While fur is a major negative to attraction.
Speaking from experience, if I was drunk/horny enough, I would fuck just about anything sentient and vaguely female.

I hate furfags, because they are obnoxious faggots, not because they continually have low standards.

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>>51369527
Do any of your player use PayPal? I want to pay them to kick over some candles during the grand ritual and tell Balto to yiff in hell.

>>51369487
Eh, the whole point of what I was saying wasn't that they could combine themselves in a lab, it was moreso that if they were science nerds they could just create a new lifeform from the ground up and call it their "child".

>>51369583
To be fair, a transformed changeling is only at the 10% mark or less.

>>51369102
>>51369164
Thanks chummers!

>>51369583
None of my players are the kind of asshats to ruin a decent RP that the players are all invested in for the sake of an anon's fantasywank.

>>51369602
Ah, valid point; but no, unfortunately neither of them are that scientifically adept.

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>>51369356
>>51369487
>>51369602
>>51369749

I'm pretty sure the fluff on changelings doesn't prevent them from reproducing with humans.

Shapeshifters can't make babies with humans, though - maybe that's what's going on.

>>51369816
She's a shapeshifter. So they don't have a compatible chromosome count; something that science isn't really going to be able to get around.

>>51369816

> Strays
heh

Have favorite player who gets into the system, actively RP's and tries to help build the world.

Gets a commission done for his character art.

"Awe sweet can I see it?"

"Sure thing anon."

Its the most hipster/tumbler trash I've ever seen complete with inhuman size nose, dyed, unsaved sideburns, and undeterminable ethnicity. Fucking kill me.

>>51370123
>inhuman size nose
>undeterminable ethnicity

I'd like to solve, Pat.

>>51370123
If they are such a good player than give em a chance.

Where are raptor legs in Chummer4?

What if everyone was an adept?

>>51370623
>inb4 someone just says "it would be earthdawn" and gives no thought beyond that

>>51370623
We would be playing Feng Shui. Which would be nice because that actually has rules that work.

>>51370623
It would basically be like Earthdawn. They flat-out say every single PC is an Adept there, and in fact they're actually closer to Mystic Adepts, it just depends on whether they specialize more on the magical or physical side. Unfortunately, Ways are essentially inferior Circles for now. Maybe Masteries will help things out.

Whats the highest tier of "in-debt" you can realistically pay off?

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Anyone got a good comprehensive guide for beginners or video to point me towards? Been interested in playing, have a little experience with table top like D&D 5e and Pathfinder.

>>51371006
In Debt I. Anything more than that is just not happening. Might as well kill off the people you owe money to and get the quality replaced with something representing their associates hunting you for revenge.

>>51371106
And here i thought i was gonna be clever and grab in debt X so i could put resources at E. Well, shit.

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>>51369957

Yeah, it's some kind of series concept that an artist on pixiv is working on.

>>51371182

I've paid off In Debt V without too much trouble.

Assuming a run nets 3000¥, you do two runs a month, you don't need to spend money on gear (or healing), and you live at Squatter or below, you can manage it.

>>51371106
In Debt III isn't very hard to pay off. 2.5k a month to keep it stable, with standard payout, before modifiers, being 3k. One run a month is enough to pay for that

>>51371226
The problem with In Debt at all is that you have to pay back twice the karma you got from it in order to actually get rid of it

Have fun paying 30 Karma to get rid of In Debt XV

>>51371484
You don't have to. It's entirely calls to let the gm exchange in debt for equal value negative qualities as you pay it off.

>>51371528
*valid

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>>51371484

Nah, you can just replace it with equivalent negatives.

For example, my last character picked up Impassive after stooping to hurting innocents to pay off the debt.

>>51371006
Max it, build a cyberzombie.

Nobody's going to come collect from a 0.01 essence fucker who can suplex cars.

>>51371006
I'm looking at in debt with 40hr day job, local fame, and electronic witness. You can pay off a fair bit with that.

>>51371624
So then they rely on ritual magic to mess your shit up.

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>>51371657
That's cheating.

Just take your debt from a faction that doesn't use mages, like the Vory.

>>51371484
Wasn't plannin' on taking it all the way to XV, "just" IX.

>>51371539
... Heres to me entertaining the thought of murdering my creditors and picking up the WANTED and some other possibly notoriety related quality.

Seems to me like you should always kill off your creditors. You'll end up with the same amount of negative qualities but you get to keep the money.

>>51371668
Then THAT is cheating by attempting to game the system when it's supposed to be a negative aspect of your life

>>51371715
Generally, the debt will end up with some group able to force payment.

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>>51371670
>... Heres to me entertaining the thought of murdering my creditors

I'll drink to that.

>>51371759
Fuck that noise. If I was GM and one of my players killed off the creditors I'd just replace the quality with Wanted or something similar that will make them use their resources to stay alive. That's just good setup for plot hooks.

That being said In Debt is still garbage that thrusts one player's problems onto the others and should be avoided.

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>>51371094
Here ya go.

https://youtu.be/QvEEmCPQgy8

Also try The Arcology Podcast, they have a lot of "how to" episodes as well as an actual play.

Welcome to the shadows, chummer. Happy running!

>>51371844
You can do what you like. Fact remains, loan sharks aren't mom'n'pop businesses. Killing the guys at the front end just pisses off the kind of people who lean on shadowrunners to get money.

>>51371193

I gotta give the guy credit, that chevron/cat face logo is really clever.

And I mean cute catgirls with guns are always a winning combination.

>>51361032
I wanna fuck tat orc

>>51368951
Read the text of the quality.
You just need to feel superior to other humans, actually having any ware is unnecessary to begin with.
You could very well be a mage or adept or w/e.

>>51372210
>skinny waist
>large eyes
>long ears
>mini tusks
Looks like a poser, don't hit it too hard.

Is there any reason the Urban Explorer helmet only has 2 cap in Chummer5?

>>51370279
You need to take the modular cyber limb mod for your legs, then after you've taken it there should be a new category with realtor legs in it

>>51373091
>realtor legs
Scary.

>>51373119
Phone posting, what can you do?

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>>51372081

>5th Edition

Goddamnit. I hate being an edition behind.

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So is pic related an accurate representation/depiction of the rank-and-file member of an HTR team?

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>>51373212
I've always treated HTR as "Corporate SWAT from the future". So yeah, it fits.

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>>51373212
Also I fucking love asymmetric face-plates

>>51373392
Man... Getting enough points to buy that helmet was a f*cking nightmare.

>>51361032
The male Orc has a face like a warcraft Troll. Not a bad thing, just noticed it.

So I'm playing a Decker and startet to be unstasified with the decking rules. YES it gives a lot of option, but a lot is borderline GM fiat and it just sucks that everybody else has to pause while i roll a mountain of dice to get somebodys comm number.

Already talked with my GM about it and he feels like we handle it well. Well we do, since we only take 15 to 30 minutes for that per session but i also avidly try to keep my hacking as minimal as possible... wich seems really hecking counter intuitive.

So my question since 90 % of stuff I'm hacking is already ganger commlink. How viable would be buying a radioShack deck, splapping a agent and a encryption programm on it and let the agent do the commlink hacking (as ,suprisingtly, neglectet alternative to just intimidate the owner to release the block/transfer marks)

At those prices it would make actually sense to buy a custom case an let it look like something wildly different, like a teddybear or something like that.

>>51361032
The guy on the right looks like a troll from Wacraft ,and it made me think of something weird. What if the Warcaft setting reached the tech level of Shadowrun? Or another way to put it would be to replace Shadowrun's races, geography, and history with Warcraft's.

>Tauren with chainguns
>Alextrasza owns all the biotech corps to keep things from going horrible.
>Sylvanas is less of an ass (hundreds of years passing by has a way of calming the butthurt) but she's still running one of the top security megacorps, and she still loves hunting people down like dogs.
>Theramore Isle has been rebuilt and became a mix of Switzerland and SR-era Seattle. Jaina may or may not have become a lich to keep her alive for the ultimate destruction of Orgrimmar and uses her people and everyone else to achieve this goal.
>The Lich King is the Lofwyr of the setting, using the vast resources and manpower of Northrend to troll the rest of Azeroth for all eternity with his shenanigans. His corp is the only one who can compete with Alextrasza's, who is not happy about the terrifying amount of chemical weapons he has.
>The Burning Legion switched gears and became DOOM demons, functioning as the bug totems of the setting.

I'm not a particularly big fan of Warcraft but this looks promising.

So how exactly does CASEMOD work in regards to rarity? Does it add to your cyberlimbs availability? Or does it only count for itself?

>>51372210
Anon, that's a troll.

>>51374074
The text seems to say that it is a +X to the cyberlimb's Availability. Which makes sense, it is harder to find that pimped out cyberleg that the standard off-the-shelf model.

>inb4 But the table says it's 4 Availability
Tables are known to be full of errors and poor editing

>>51373841
Shit that sounds fun as fuck.

>>51373841
Sounds cool.

You think that gnomes would end up as cybernerics experts? What about The whole Worgenland (forgot the name) and Pandaria?

I love shadowrun so much. As a setting, I love all the room for political intrigue and in depth cyber noir that it builds. I get groups together, and we all talk about how we want a game like that.

Then all my players go full pink mohawk and attempt to blow up a renraku headquarters/steal a plane just to cross a lake rather than by FUCKING FAKE SINS

Ugh

>>51374319
I've found that newer players, especially those coming from games like D&D, consider problems exclusively in terms of shit that they can personally do, so contact go criminally underused. Tricky to amend as a GM, but I've had some luck with father-figure characters asking them to justify why they did what they did instead of taking a more reasonable action.

>>51374467
Thanks. I've only had luck with one group so far; my cousins actually were like "Okay, if we get caught, we are dead. Let's actually fix this shit."

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I need quick and relatively cheap way to turn decker and face into combat capable people that wont get oneshoted by things that can challenge the street sam(me) and get higher initiative than my flat bonus

>>51374536
How much Nuyen and Essence do you have to spare?

>>51374536
"Hand of God" cyberarm, Jazz and as much armor as you can wear in a given situation.

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>>51374549
about 3 dead elfs with wired reflexes 2 and cybereyes + 3 ares alpha and 2 ares desert strike+their shot to hell combat armor.
My guys have around 4-5 essence left.

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>>51374568
>"Hand of God" cyberarm
Please go on

>>51374590
Get a cyberarm, give it shitloads of AGI, only ever fire one handed weapons to avoid having to use your meat stats.

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>>51374598
Sounds like a plan, cheers anon.

>>51374590
A cyberarm that has been customized to your racial maximum in AGI and then boosted even further with AGI and Armor enhancements. This allow you to do things that "reasonably only need one arm" with the arm's AGI instead of your base one.

If you want to go all the way, you can also customise for max STR and throw a mean cybernetic punch. But I wouldn't recommend it for a character that is not built for going in close.

Anyone ever seen any really good images of the Immortal Elves? Urdli, Aina, etc? Frosty is your standard girl next door elf, and harlequin is the physical incarnation of that guy, so they're easy.

And has there been anything posted in the current 'lore' about the human immortal brought to the gathering of the artefacts in the Dawn of the Artefacts ending?

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>>51374575
Now thats a good answer!

Shooting:
Cyberarm-of-Awesome with 9 Agility, 4 or 7 Strength a Cyberarmgyro and carrying an Ingram Smartgun that you'll probably be able to fire with complex full-auto salvos each round
Dont't forget to put 3 armor in it.

not dying:
Alphaware bonelacing (Plastic is super cheap for what it gives you, better Stuff is also fine)
2 levels or so of Alphawareorthoskin so you can take the electric isolation mod

Ini:
Either synaptic boosters or Wired Reflexes + Rating 3 Reaction Enhancers
Alternative route would be going hard on drugs with a rating 6 nephritic screen and Narco, you but you should already have decent Body/WIL for this.

>>51367396

IIRC, real-life druids did a thing where they wrapped themselves in a cowskin and sat under a waterfall. Achieved basically the same effect as a white noise tape would today.

>>51372406
>You just need to feel superior to other humans, actually having any ware is unnecessary to begin with.
That's Superhuman Psychosis you're thinking of, where you basically start acting like Vegeta. Cyberpsychosis is when your numerous augments have given you soul problems and you flip your shit whenever you get a glitch or critical glitch on opposed social tests.

>>51374801
Martial Artists in Japan have a trope of this too.

Other common druidic "Initiation" Is connecting through spirits through isolation/sensory deprivation/hallucinogens.

Okay, help me out, /srg/

In 4e, whats the ruling on crossing distance in combat to strike with melee?
I can move up to my running rate and whack someone with a +2 bonus for a charge attack, yes?
Am I allowed to roll my running to increase my distance and still make an attack in the same initiative pass? I assume not, because rolling running would be a complex action.

Am I correct here? Would you think it fair enough if a GM allowed you to roll running to cross extra distance, but then perhaps negate the charge attack bonus due to exertion or something?

>>51367396
>what would you say should be the initiation rite for a druid?
"First, eat these mushrooms."
"Okay, now what."
"Now you drink this water, because god damn you are going to sweat a lot during this."
"Okay, but why am I going to be swea-HOLY SHIT I'M TRIPPING BALLS!"

>>51374839
Oh yeah, you are correct.
My bad.

>>51374769
>Ini: Either synaptic boosters or Wired Reflexes + Rating 3 Reaction Enhancers

CF also has the Synaptic accelerator gene-ware which goes well with reaction enhancers.
Geaper then synaptic booster and harder to detect than your normal bioware.

Downside is that id doesn't stack with other things that augment your ini. directly

>>51374907
Biggest problem of that is that you never get the Essence back when you remove it, so depending on the mid- to longterm plans for the character, this could be a bit of a bad idea.

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>>51373841
>warcraft shadowrun

I was thinking that too, after the Mean Streets of Gadgetzan expansion for hearthstone. Seemed very shadorwunesque to me, though with a lighter tone and obviously a lower tech level.

I've had other "what if warcraft in the far future" ideas as well. One big thing I think would be a sort of "interdimensional frontier" aspect, where portal networks to other worlds have been set up for the attempt to find and colonize/reclaim other worlds, with the whole thing tangled up between activist paladins, druids and shamans who want to drive back the legion and return life to other planets, and (mostly goblin) business cartels who want to start raking in the loot.

I once thought of writing a story about old deathknights trying to live in that kind of world, where technology has advanced, you have modern cities, most people just have regular jobs, and the old powers still exist but long stretches of relative peace on Azeroth itself have lowered the kind of stuff most people see, and pushed dark powers like fel magic and shadowpriestery back into the shadows.

>>51374294
>gnome cybernetics

Maybe. Magic and technology aren't as incompatible in warcraft as in shadowrun (see: titans) so people would probably end up with crazy technomagic golem arms or similar. Maybe with some unforeseen equivalent to Essence loss by leaking arcane magic into their user?

>>51375027
Why deleteroo?
"Running is a free action
Sprinting is a simple action
Melee attack is a complex action.

You can't sprint and attack because that's a Simple + Complex"

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>>51374839
>where you basically start acting like Vegeta.
You mean you insist on calling your greatest rival/best friend by the name his birth parents gave him even though literally everyone else in the universe refers to him by the name his adoptive parents gave him?

>>51374867
Running is a free action
Sprinting is a simple action
Melee attack is a complex action.

You can't sprint and attack because that's a Simple + Complex.

Iirc the ruling on charge means you have to move and attack in the same turn and cross at least 2 meters.

If you have Wired Reflexes and severals IP I'd allow it. I really hate the logic that you can fire a gun as a simple action but you can't swing a sword or a knife as a simple too.

>>51375043
>>51375065
oh, you were just adding more, lel, I feel like a roodypoo now.

Thanks for the help, omae.
I agree with you that it's stupid as hell.

>>51374907
which reminds me why is boosted reflexes a thing when synaptic accelerator exist?
I mean boosted reflexes is shoot-yourself-in-the-leg tire bioware

>>51375128
Boosted Reflexes can boost your reflexes harder/better/faster/stronger than Synaptic Accelerator can.

>>51361032
Is that Jewish orc bleeding or are those tatoos on his face?

>>51375197
Yes.

>>51375128
>Why does it exist.

Its dirt cheap.
If you can do with 2 guaranteed passes, you can't get cheaper than this and its also not that heavy on essence.

>>51375170
Actually, no, Boosted Reflexes is inferior to Synaptic Accelerator, and they're both inferior to higher levels of Synaptic Boosters.

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What's the minimum amount of armor you'd consider acceptable for a non combat-oriented runner at character creation? I feel like exploring some alternatives to the Armor Jacket.

>>51375349
>I feel like exploring some alternatives to the Armor Jacket.
Executive Suite. Same armor as an Armor Jacket, but it's a suit. Great for faces and cheap too.

>>51375349
Aim for 20 Armor. Even if you fall short a couple of points, it'll ensure you'll be 'only' knocked unconscious when you take a nasty hit. (Unless you do something dumb as standing in front of an rocket launcher or jumping on a grenade, but that's not exactly your role.)

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>>51375362
The lower capacity might be an issue, but there's nothing stopping me from stashing a change of clothes in the boot when needed. Definitely on the list.

>>51375349
Armor jacket is the minimum chummer. Armor vest for you day-to-day activities.
Stashed PPP kits to slap on clothes. Custom Ballistic Mask is a must.
An Ares Blastshield Suitcase for Cutting Aces will be life saver and fashionable accessory to go along with your armored suit.

>>51375489
>Armor vest for you day-to-day activities.
Nah, there's no need. Armor jackets don't carry any more social penalties than armor vests, so why bother with the inferior protection?

>>51374625
>If you want to go all the way, you can also customise for max STR and throw a mean cybernetic punch. But I wouldn't recommend it for a character that is not built for going in close.
1 hand for punching
1 hand for shooting

>>51375349
>>51375508

Depends on what kind of game you're running.
An armored jacket doesn't state it's had some social penalties but you're wearing something that's the equivalent of Class IV body armor around. It's heavy, it's very visible and it means you're either afraid or looking for trouble.

Armor vest state it can be worn under clothing so it's like a knife vest or a light kevlar vest, I'd use that on the day-to-day to look functional but also protected.

For a face, a mage or anything else really I'd go with an armored suit, gives you good social bonuses and the Greatcote + Ican'trememberthenameofthesuit in Run & Gun give you very decent armor.

Remember that you can take a cloak and slap armor mods if you're low on capacity.

Robot question :

Why does anyone ever use wheeled drones?

They can't handle stairs and must stand out a lot in public spaces compared to a generic roto-drone so why?

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>>51375554
>An armored jacket doesn't state it's had some social penalties but you're wearing something that's the equivalent of Class IV body armor around. It's heavy, it's very visible and it means you're either afraid or looking for trouble.
Except that the book describes it as, and I quote, " The most popular armor solution on the streets comes in all styles imaginable. It offers good protection without catching too much attention. But don’t think of wearing one to a dinner party." Almost no one really gives a shit about you wearing one outside of a fancy party, and for those who do it's kind of like a guy in the 1950s wearing a leather jacket: maybe you're pretending to be a tough guy, maybe you actually are a tough guy, or maybe you just ride a motorcycle and ride it for protection from road rash.

>>51375729
>They can't handle stairs
>he hasn't seen a Steel Lynx before

>>51375766
>ride it for protection from road rash.
Wear it for protection from road rash, dammit. Fuck me I'm scatterbrained today.

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>>51375729
Higher speed, more dooriftu possibilities, cheaper.

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>>51375766
Sure alright

But then it offers 12 armor from scratch, which is enough to stop everything short of an assault rifle. It's an understatement to think that it's "just a badass thing". It's the most accessible and strongest body armor on the street.

Don't be surprised when rent-a-cops and standard security starts slinging Assault Rifles and shotguns with Stick N' Shock or reg ammo.

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>>51375840
Omae, when the rent-a-cops and corpsec see me, it wouldn't matter if I was in SWAT armor or if I was butt naked, they'd bring out the assault rifles and shotguns because I'm just that dangerous. It's not the armor that warrants a high force response, it's the streetsam inside of that armor.

>>51375729
On the contrary, they are the ones that stand out the less. They are dead silent, they can stay in the same spot for hours with no problem, and then reach high speeds on open ground, and with the right mods they can blend in any office environment.

>>51375892
There's something to be said about being able to walk unconcernedly and unscathed through small-arms fire while being stark naked.

>>51375912
That reminds me, what mod was it to be able to disguise your Steel Lynx as a garbage can? Was it Realistic Features or Customation?

>>51375892
Yeah I meant mostly in regards to non-combat focused character like the anon asked.

Combat characters should always be packing, I learned that the hard way fending off a mob hit squad in a Hawaiian shirt and khakis with only my fists.

>>51375941
The would be Customisation. Realistic Features would be to make it look like an actual lynx.

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>>51375766
>>51375840
I'd personally tag an Armor Jacket as being a bit like pic related, with ballistic-plate inserts layered on top of or inside a stocky jacket. Not really walking around in a military plate-carrier, but even an inattentive troll bouncer could tell at first glance that it's made for someone expecting trouble.

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>>51375766
>Almost no one really gives a shit about you wearing one outside of a fancy party

Sometimes you have to go to fancy parties. That's when the other armour options come in.

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>>51376025

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>>51376025
I go with the art that's in the books, I really like the coat over the breastplate feel.

>>51375976
>Combat characters should always be packing, I learned that the hard way fending off a mob hit squad in a Hawaiian shirt and khakis with only my fists.
You mean it wasn't even an armored Hawaiian shirt and khakis? Amateur.

But to speak more seriously, a mage will want to armor up too so that the other guy can't pick him out until he's started slinging spells. Riggers and hackers don't gain that much from armor, but they don't really lose anything from looking tough, so better safe than sorry. It's really only infiltrators and faces that need to worry about giving off the wrong impression.

>>51376025
>but even an inattentive troll bouncer could tell at first glance that it's made for someone expecting trouble.
True, but that doesn't mean a guy wearing it would be trouble for the bar or club. If he's expecting to be attacked, that doesn't mean he expects to be attacked anywhere at anytime. Maybe he lives in a dangerous neighborhood and is concerned about catching a bullet or being attacked by stray hellhounds on the way home. Maybe this is his last drink before he goes somewhere he knows people are going to shoot him. Or maybe he doesn't think anyone is going to attack him and he's just wearing it for road rash protection.

>>51375976
A few sets of armored clothes can really save your day, or protect an extraction mark.

I often buy some sets of them and slap electrochromatic weave on it. Pretty nice for quick con's, since you can change a really obvious shirt out for a plain white one in a second and people usually remember the unusual things about you.

>>51376212
And that's why the bouncer, like in the real world, would ask him to leave the armored clothing in the wardrobe and deny him entry otherwise.
They aren't necessarily going to start trouble right there, but the potential is there and a bouncer's job is both to stop trouble and prevent it from occurring in the first place.
It might be legal to carry a gun many places in the US, and they might have a lot of legal uses, but you still don't see people closed-carrying in bars because guns are checked on entry if you insist on bringing them along.
Very few bars are actively looking for customers who bring trouble, too, and reducing the amount of people who wear body armor, even if it's an armored T-shirt and nothing else, both reduces the risk that some retard is going to start a fight in there and makes the place look safer and more welcoming.

>>51373172
At least you don't have to deal with the non-existant editing, contradictions all over, going over a section for the nth time to find that one little bit of text that explains how that one little thing works.

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>>51376297
>bars strip search everyone attempting entry

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>>51376297
>but you still don't see people closed-carrying in bars because guns are checked on entry if you insist on bringing them along.
There are some places that let you open carry in a bar, but that's a side tangent. The point I'm trying to get across here is that an armor jacket has about as much social stigma attached to it as a leather jacket. They grant a fair amount of They might not be high fashion, but they're pretty damned good-looking for something you wear on the street or at a bar. Does it provide substantial protection? Yes, but so do seatbelts and airbags. Just because your car has those doesn't mean people think you're going to deliberately get into a crash.

>Very few bars are actively looking for customers who bring trouble, too, and reducing the amount of people who wear body armor, even if it's an armored T-shirt and nothing else, both reduces the risk that some retard is going to start a fight in there and makes the place look safer and more welcoming.
Except that in shot of Dante's Inferno, one of the most prestigious nightclubs in Seattle, we can see plenty of armored jackets.

>>51376539
Jesus, guns and alcohol seems like a bad combination.

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>>51376119
I think aesthetic preference is what it mostly comes down to, really. If one player had a breastplate beneath a coat and the other had >>51376025 both with the same stats, I wouldn't mind too much.

>True, but that doesn't mean a guy wearing it would be trouble for the bar or club
I'm not saying they would, just that it wouldn't be difficult to notice that said jacket was armored.

>>51376550
Was that Jesus as an expletive, or was it Jesus as in the thing that makes a dangerous combination with guns and alcohol?

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>>51376580

>>51376580
Yes.

>>51376550
If you're European, sure.

>>51376626
I don't think it's worked out terribly well for any other ethnic group either, chummer.

>>51376650
People carry at bars all the time in Freedom Land without any issue, anon.

>>51376580
Oxford comma, my good man.
On the other hand with Jesus you have to watch out even for water. The man can turn it to liquor at no time.

>>51376678
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_Orlando_nightclub_shooting

>>51376678
The Western films I have seen suggest otherwise.

>>51376490
Strip search, no.
Pat-down, yes.
If you're carrying a gun, a pat-down will find it, and if it doesn't, it's either too small to stand up to security or so well-hidden you can't draw it on an impulse.
It's really sad you have to rely on a strawman for this.
>>51376539
You're throwing away actual logic and using Catalyst-commissioned art as your main argument. Of course people are going to be wearing armored clothing on the art, because there's absolutely no coordination between the departments and the art only corresponds with canon when it's a coincidence.
It goes to figure that Catalyst wouldn't care about those things, because their way of handling the setting also included making it many times more pink-mohawk, with collateral damage being expected, player agency being lifted to the point of a divinity and attention to actual variables and realism vanishing because players who're used to video games and Catalyst's usual fare of tie-in boardgames wouldn't be able to understand that you can't just shoot up a bar and expect to never hear about it again (which is why PCs have gotten stronger, magic has gotten even more broken and the fluff, which was before carefully written and actually showed a setting in which runners have to think and plan, has been mangled into a post-nerd's idea of "cyberpunk", where dryad catgirls with miniguns and gender-special orc adepts with Tumblr hair blast through the "evil corporations").
What is the best for your game? What is the most fun to play?
The FASA approach of finding out that the bar doesn't allow armor and finding a way out of that, or the Catalyst way of going in there and starting a mass combat scene with no real risk as soon as the players get bored with waiting for the killing?
If you can strawman, I can strawman too.

>>51376678
>People carry at bars all the time in Freedom Land without any issue, anon.

And people keep weapons in their houses without any toddler shootings, right Anon?

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>>51376735
You don't even need a patdown; any bouncer who doesn't have his glasses linked to the door's MAD scanner is a waste of vat-grown muscle.

>>51376735
>You're throwing away actual logic and using Catalyst-commissioned art as your main argument. Of course people are going to be wearing armored clothing on the art, because there's absolutely no coordination between the departments and the art only corresponds with canon when it's a coincidence.
The canon isn't exactly full of streetsams being asked to remove their armor for a meet in a low-medium class restaurant. If you having to strip yourself of all and any armor the moment you try to walk into a bar that isn't in the barrens was canon, then it would be obvious and impossible to overlook or ignore. And yet, somehow, you're the first guy who's mentioned such security measures.

Also, holy fuck you're mad.

>>51376709
>Florida makes it illegal to conceal carry in bars
>a bunch of LGBTBBQ are deservedly slaughtered like cattle by a mudslime who walks up with an AR-15
>explicitly unable to defend themselves due to a lack of carrying

Was this supposed to be some kind of point?

>>51376735
>literally every bar in America pats down literally every potential patron
>9mm is too small to stand up to security

I don't know if you're not American or if you're a sheltered liberal that neither carries nor barhops?

>>51376742
Yep. Constantly.

>>51376709

Yeah and that was a bar that didn't allow open carry, chummer. Made it a rather soft target didn't it?

>>51376712
>Trusting Hollywood, LA, and the megas for an accurate take on anything.

Omae...

>>51376866
If not them, I'll trust historical accounts of people getting shot in bars.

>>51376735
>It goes to figure that Catalyst wouldn't care about those things, because their way of handling the setting also included making it many times more pink-mohawk

Are you having a dumb, good sir?
Are you alright?
The only edition that had an abundance of this horribly disgusting "Black Trenchcoat" bullshit in it was 4E.
The 2050s had been Mohawk as fuck.
and it was a way better time

>>51376858
>Yep. Constantly.

https://www.google.com/search?q=toddler+shootings+US

Also, a huge percentage of violent crime occurs under the influence of alcohol (https://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/ac.pdf), you don't think people having easy access to a deadly weapon while drinking is going to increase the number of those incidents that result in serious injury or death?

>>51376921
A tiny percentage of dumbasses or dumbass children of dumbasses culling themselves isn't really relevant and you don't even seem to have a particular argument.

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You know how you can tell /k/omrades from cuc/k/s? The former understand the guns are dangerous and demand respect, and feel that their right to bear arms is worth the increased gun violence in the country; the latter will wave off the obvious shit like people being shot in a bar, after that bar had two shootings last year http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/692641/ohio-shooting-bar-doubles-hamilton as being totally unrepresentative and something that doesn't ever happen, obviously, please don't google "bar shooting America" and start counting.

>>51376709
>a bunch of faggots get murdered by a sandnigger who then gets murdered by the police

A genuinely wonderful day

>>51376971
There's a difference between "doesn't ever happen" and "doesn't happen enough to matter", my cuckolded friend.

>>51376962

Oh, I see. Sorry for upsetting you, man.

>>51377041
Not an argument, cuck

>>51377050

There you go, man, let it all out. I'm listening. It's ok.

>>51377071
I know you're trying to be clever, but you're literally just giving me the attention I want, the (You)s, and assisting me in shitting up the thread instead of hiding and ignoring.

>>51377088

If that's what you need to feel better, man, then that's what you need, for whatever reason. I'm not judging.

>>51377112
I have to ask if you have some kind of personal agenda here beyond just being a garden variety cuckold.

Did you accidentally shoot your parents with their gun? Why didn't you shoot yourself too if so?

>>51376971
It's not about gun violence, it's the fact that someone was shot by a toddler ever single week for the past year. People are too dumb to be allowed fire arms man.

>>51377243
natural selection

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>>51377277

>>51369164
I saw them before Alestorm on Halloween last year, the fact that their singer's death metal shriek sometimes sounded like a duck kind of made it for me.

Hey this is unrelated but does anyone have a decent strip and/or night club floor plan? I've got a few, but I've used all of them on past runs and would like to use something new for the hit my PCs are going to be doing soon.

>>51377277
There is no toddler smart enough not to shoot people, and the person responsible for letting the gun fall into the toddler's hands is not always the one who gets shot.

>>51369409
What the fuck do you think you're doing, Skwisgaar?

>>51377182

I'm Irish, we don't really have guns around. There are shooting ranges and stuff, I think you can own a few types with a license? But no guns really. I suppose that's enough to be an "agenda"; ireland is pretty unusual in that we have a general dislike of military stuff in general, due to our history. British occupation, our own civil war and paramilitary groups being a cavalcade of fuckups, et cetera. Soldiers have never really done anything good for us, you know? Our army's basically just a subsection of the police that hardly gets used, and we generally disapprove or feel uncomfortable with soldiers and militaria. And we don't have any dangerous animals that need shooting.

So I guess that's kind of an agenda.

So, do you have a personal agenda? Why do you feel you approve of carrying guns everywhere? Are you going to say it's just based on pure practical reasons and logic, or would you say there's some sort of emotional appeal they hold for you, or a need you have that they satisfy?

Why call me a cuckold, by the way? Just the meme value? I'm pretty sure referring to people who don't use or approve of guns using a word which implies sexual inadequacy has some sort of freudian connotation. Like, you're kind of reinforcing the idea of the gun as a symbolic penis? And that's a way old trope about gun owners, which I'd assume you'd disapprove of. So, it's a bit ironic.

>>51377321
And more importantly, if the person already has a toddler anyway THEY'VE ALREADY REPRODUCED SO NATURAL SELECTION DOESN'T WORK.

>>51374294
Well, considering the goblin-gnome tech rivalry, I think Azeroth would experience three simultaneous industrial revolutions: one much like what he have on Earth (goblins), a techno-magical one (gnomes & draenei), and a purely magical one, albeit with two radicall different approaches (arcane and nature). The Kirin Tor would try and keep them in check but as population across the globe starts to grow and each nation builds up its own wizard club, the Kirin Tor's days as the policeman of magic has ended.

Azeroth descends into an Endless Legend-esque situation, where radically different factions, united by belief instead of race, band together and get upset about the other factions' beliefs or opinions about their own, resulting in a conflict that will only screw the planet over.

Ultimately, everyone loses, as mana storms and spontaneous demonic incursions happen all over the place, besides the more mundane but no less brutal natural disasters. A bit like in C&C3, some factions would rather start sorting shit out, while others are still butthurt over opinions. This causes a second rift, but this time it's interal, effectively doubling the number of factions (reasonable vs butthurt).

After centuries of clusterfucks ferried around the world by a gleefully giggling Thomas the Tank Engine, present day for the game, things are better, but still shit. Those who care are stuck cleaning up after idiots, while the rest are desperately trying to make space travel work. This is actively opposed by the Naaru, who have the tech but will not hand it over. They want the people of Azeroth to work out their problems and get their shit straight, or they will only spread the contagion of their existence across the stars, which will not help anyone. They even hire shadowrunners to sabotage research facilities or launch bays. Needless to say, the Draenei are not big buddies with them anymore.

Can we cut the preachy bullshit about guns?

>>51377500
Really, the preachy bullshit about "hurrrrr, you can't get into a bar wearing an armor jacket because muh ultra-black trenchcoat" was bad enough.

>>51376119
I thought that was more Full Body Armor with a jacket over it, really.

>>51377500

Yeah, let's talk about cancersticks.

Other robot question :

Should a rigger invest in mechanical engineering skills for repairs and customization purposes or should he outsource that stuff through contacts or even acquiring a custom drone equipped with tools and mechanic skills autosofts?

About autosofts, can a PC actually craft programs? What skill would that require and where could I find the rules?

>>51377593
What's a cancerstick?

>>51377593
To be fair, cancer is actually far more curable in the future of Shadowrun than it is now.

>>51377615

Cancersticks killed my mom, you fedora-wearing, 'muh-Kapital' spouting, so-ironic-trenchcoat sporting lefty!

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>>51377605
Do it yourself, and use the optional rules for harvesting parts. Saves a ton of money.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aA14Ft_ZcmA
>go after a guy with a bounty
>it's not part of a run, you just want to make some cash
>turns out he's looking to claim your bounty
>you didn't know you had a bounty
>your bounty is bigger than his
What do?

>>51377700
Claim his bounty under your best fake SIN so the Star or whoever you're handing him in to doesn't pinch you as well.

>>51377640
Oh. I'm sorry for your loss?

>>51377669
>optional rules for harvesting parts
What book should I bring to my GM if I want to convince him of using those rules?

Also is there anything stopping me from harvesting the parts and then send them to my hired mechanic for a discount?

Oh and how about that idea for a drone dedicated to running mechanical skill autosofts? Could it save me some BP by acting as my personal mechanic or would it be too dumb to fix anything beyond basic maintenance and repairs?

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>>51377773
>bp

are you using 4 or 5?

>>51377773
>What book should I bring to my GM if I want to convince him of using those rules?
Rigger 5.0. However, the real questions are "what is the bloke running the wrecking yard going to charge me for harvesting parts from all the junker cars and other scrap he has lying around?" and "if he has to do the harvesting and not me, how much extra will that cost me?" Either way, you'll be saving some money compared to buying new replacement parts from the corps and unlike stealing bits off other people's cars you won't be committing any crimes.

>>51377813
Most likely 4 since the campaign hasn't started yet but the few players who tried SR all started with 4e and are more familiar with it

>>51377615
It's sticks, that give people cancer. See >>51377640

>>51377854
>what is the bloke running the wrecking yard going to charge me for harvesting parts
how about "day job : junkyard worker"?

>>51377948
If that's your dayjob, then that doesn't answer the question because any parts you keep for yourself come out of your pay.

>>51377990
I guess that would be up to the GM

Best option would probably be to own a junkyard, get paid for sorting out the usable stuff from the scrap, dispose of the bad ones and use/sell/trade the good stuff

>>51361032
>that orc girl
What are they just green elves now?

>>51377990
You might just live in a shitty part of town where trash gets dumped so you can pick through it.

>>51377990
>implying employees don't take stuff home when the boss isn't looking

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>>51378153
>not getting biosculpting to fit standardized beauty standards

It's like you don't even media, anon. Asians get that eyefold surgery all the time to strike a balance between meeting Western goals while still maintaining some of their ethnicity; an orc lady looking to reach higher will get a bit of toning and bone adjustment for that hot elf physique, while keeping her orc ears and tusks (maybe filed down a tad).

And it's not far off from official art of orcs.

>>51378156
In real life, people tends to love dumping their trash in lakes and rivers. I wonder if the concept of an off-grid rigger living on a small boat and setting nets up for trash be any viable?

>>51378156
That's not going to include auto parts, though. You see, a guy with a tow truck can make money selling wrecked cars to the junkyard, and as such he will pick the streets/rivers/whatever clean whenever he gets the chance. And that yardmaster, he's not going to let you walk away with his auto parts unless you pay for more than their scrap metal value. Otherwise, he'll introduce you to some cybered-up rottweilers and you'll learn exactly why a junkyard jaw is called a "junkyard" jaw.

>>51378209
True, but if you take really expensive stuff that's a good way to get fired.

>>51378211
It's just odd to see feminine orc women. Her ears are definitely elvish. I guess it's possible she's a half breed

>>51378252
>True, but if you take really expensive stuff that's a good way to get fired.
What a perfect premise to explain why the character started shadowrunning

>>51378211
>Asians get that eyefold surgery all the time to strike a balance between meeting Western goals while still maintaining some of their ethnicity;
As a guy with yellow fever, I always disliked that.

>>51378258
>I guess it's possible she's a half breed
No it's not, those don't exist

>>51378306
Oh, no halfers in the shadow run world eh. I actually have no clue what this game even is I just wanted to comment on the op

>>51378288
>stole from boss
>get caught
>get fired
>boss also demands repayments or it's your kneecaps
Pretty low level In Debt quality.

>>51378343
Like everybody else in this fucking thread.

>>51378360
So is it some futuristic fantasy world? Like warcraft cyberpunked out? That sounds pretty cool

>>51378408
Shut the fuck up and read the damn sourcebooks.

>>51378436
Anyone with social skills care to elaborate?

>>51378408
Back in 2011, magic returned to the world, bringing with it the magical shit in standard fantasy settings (elves, dwarves, orcs, dragons, spellcasters, ee tee cee)

However technology didn't come to a grinding halt, so there's also robot parts and virtual reality.

>>51378436
Quit being rude, someone's showing interest in something new

>>51378470
Lurk m0ar, newfriend

>>51378470
Anon, if you can't be fucking bothered to do the bare minimum amount of investigation yourself, why the fuck should any of us help you?

>>51378480
Oh yeah, and it's also cyberpunk, so dystopian corporations rule the world and the value of the human life has dropped to 100th place, under profit.

You play Shadowrunners, criminals with no legal identification, who go on jobs to ruin someone else's shit. Either by stealing data on a terminal, breaking an experimental prototype, kidnapping someone, killing them, or some other shady thing you'd want a deniable asset to do for you

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>>51378408
I'd explain but your use of Warcraft as the default fantasy setting, here of all places, leads me to believe you're being ingenuine.

>>51378550
It might have something to do with the picture used in >>51375029

>>51378480
Dam everyone look at that, a spergless tldr of the games setting, in one small paragraph to boot, thank you sir. Now that my interest has been piqued I shall read more into it

>>51378550
What other big fantasy settings exist tho? Its pretty much lotr dnd and warhammer and warcraft

>>51378510
Cyberpunk with traditional fantasy elements, that sounds pretty cool

>>51378631
It's also got some random ethnic stuff thrown in to mix it up, so that's cool too.

OH DREK CHUMMER, ONE OF YOUR OLD TARGETS JUST CARBOMBED YOU FOR REVENGE. AFTER CRAWLING OUT OF THE RUBBLE, WHERE DO HIDE TO LICK YOUR WOUNDS?

>>51378610
>What other big fantasy settings exist tho?
>lists 3 other big fantasy settings, one of which is actually a collection of dozens of settings all licensed to the same system
I don't even care whether or not you're genuinely interested, I hope you never get into this because you're an annoying prick.

>>51378655
>Hide
No, now is when you strike since you're not dead and they probably think you are. You get an Ares Alpha and some ex-EX ammo and set up an ambuscade outside their celebration of your demise.

>>51378655
>allowing your old targets to live
First mistake.

>>51378681
>getting a gun
>not being a troll, picking up the burning wreck of your beloved car, and using it to batter them into the ground while screaming about how you had just paid it off

>>51378713
That's a long way to carry a carwreck.

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>>51361032
I want to know more about giants. Maybe some canon giant art work.

>>51378733
That was an expensive stereo system.

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>>51378733
>You do want to know why I drag an empty coffin around like this, don't you? It's because, I'm going to go home after putting your corpse inside!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DmIsNpDimQ0

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>>51375766
>Steel Lynx

Maybe its sacrilegious. but that thing looks stupid.

I'm using pic related

>>51378673
Take your hipster bullshit and fuck off, popularity dictates everything, and those 4 settings are the most popular

>>51378930
>hipster
Oh please, I couldn't even name anything you didn't. I just hate you because you're an annoying prick with the bad taste to jump to the shittiest of the most popular settings when all the other ones were, in addition to being not the shittiest ones, more relevant.

>>51378930

DnD isn't one setting though.

I'm not sure what the most popular DnD setting is. Probably Forgotten Realms is the most well-known, because of the video games? But I don't know if it's the most played in actual tabletop.

>>51378673
In fact you should be thankful I even mentioned dnd and warhammer. Normies only care about lotr and warcraft

>>51376971
i dunno, every bar i go to has shots

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>>51378919
But that's not at all what a Steel Lynx is. Lynxes aren't anthroform, they don't have hands, they're wheeled vehicles capable of mounting heavy guns.

>>51376905
>>51376838
Ignore him. He's an autist with a hateon for CGL and a boner for FASA. He's proudly admitted to still using 3e's drek in the threads multiple times in the past, and he also whines about how shamans and mages aren't 'different enough'. You can tell who he is by his blocks of text crying about "the good old days".

This is a PSA reminding you that just because somebody's technically anonymous (as in lacking a name) doesn't mean that they're actually anonymous (as in lacking an identity of any sort).

>>51379002
>In fact you should be thankful
And you're arrogant and entitled too.

>>51378994
Neverwinter has a lot of games, it + baldurs gate is where I first learned about dnd

>>51379028
Stay sour kid, normies have taken over your pastimes and there's nothing you can do about it, embrace the change and be happy that girls are finally into this sort of shit

>>51379017

Steel Lynx is supposed to be a genuine combat drone, vs any drone you just slap guns on. From that perspective, it should be relatively versatile in how it can approach combat.

Instead of just wheeling around like a better doberman and brrt'ing people with a mcminigun

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>>51379026
>mfw I know you're wrong
>because I'm the guy who doesn't like what happened with mages and shamans and I hate 3e with the passion that only someone who was forced to play it can muster

Sorry CGLdrone, you're not as good at finding anonymooses as you think you are.

>>51379056
>normies have taken over your pastimes
So where they are they when I go to meet other nerds for games in meatspace? Because I don't see any of them.

>>51379073
That's what the legs are for.