/CofD/ &/wodg/ Chronicles of Darkness and World of Darkness

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First for Moros!

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First for oWoD.

muh metaplot

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Third for Thai cuisine.

>>51330660
>metaplot
Don't even remind me. oWoD is so bad.

>>51330690
I dunno m8, the only thing I hate about owod is the Camarilla wank
I'd rather play Anarch or Sabbat :/

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>>51330690

>implying

Its fluff, in terms of Demon, Vampire, Werewolf and Wraith, simply can't be beat.

I'll be the first to admit that the old Changeling sucked balls and that Lost is far better though.

8th for Toto

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FTQbiNvZqaY

>>51330727
What fluff? The overarching plots were shit. The NPCs were shit. The fact that you had to read up on it and modify your game to fit it was shit. The fact that they released tons and tons of splatbooks dedicated to that metaplot shit is shit.

It's shit.

>>51330754

So you hate established settings? Why bother playing anything official then? Why not just stick with homebrews?

>>51330727
Really? Because I use Vampire and Werewolf as examples of how terrible the metaplot cancer of that era is.

>Hunter Supremacy

>>51330754
>The fact that you had to read up on it and modify your game to fit it was shit.
You don't do this? When Storytelling Forsaken I threw out all the spider and rat spirit nonsense and I ignored the tribe names thing because fuck giving every npc two names.

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I have a question for oWoD savants. Is Cain strong enough to fight off Archmages or is he just another lawn chair?

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Just plugging my Mage 2e game that I'll be running 5:00 p.m. Sydney Time on Wedesndays.

I can change the time if there are enough issues, but that's my current best time given my schedule.

https://app.roll20.net/campaigns/details/1945652/mage-the-awakening-sydney

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>>51330727
Wraith was amazing until the Sixth Mealstrom, but thats partially remedied byt the amazingness that was fucking Orpheus. The lower powered splats were the most interesting ones to me because they were the best at telling jab-thumbs-into-your-eyes styled gritty stories, one notable one I remember being in was a long-running gang war between the local Necropoli's Spooks and Monitors, woth Legions and other Guild dancing in on occasion to shake things up.

>>51330871

God ultimately slaps down anyone messing with Caine, so Caine wins by default.

Now kill yourself.

>>51330878
>Implying God can beat an Archmage.
Don't make me laugh. Now kill yourself.

>>51330871
They're all lawn chairs, anon.

No exceptions.

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>>51330718
>>51330871
>>51330900
>>51330911


GET OUT MAGEFAGS
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>51330900
Have you ever considered God might in fact be the OG Archmage?

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>>51330971

Can you fuck off? It's because of people like you that this place is dying. I come here for civil conversations and you just spew your shit all over the place.

Instead of 3/4/5 and 4/7/11 what if you could put 12 dots into any Attributes you want and 22 for Skills?

>>51331083
Improbably levels of munchkin'ing

Another unflushed toilet of mage shit. I'm just going to leave for a couple of days and hope for the best. I thought Aspel was bad.

>>51331338
Give it a week, it'll turn into some new form of faggotry.

>>51331810
I think it's about time for gay werewolves to make a comeback.

>>51331338
Its probably because there was only one Aspel but mage supremacy is legion.

>>51331338
Once Mage Supremacy is stale it'll just be something else. Then something else, and something else, until we get back to Mage Supremacy.

Does anyone have the original of the OP pic?

>>51332029
It's from a comic called Hack/Slash. The cover art is way hotter than the interior art.

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>>51331879
Is that a request?

>>51332214
No.

>>51330871

Cain and the Antediluvians are barely above planetary level. Archmages are up and beyond that by a great deal

You could always just say that their Plot Device status protects them, but the Archspheres are still an even bigger Plot Device (10 dot Disciplines are defined, 10 dot Spheres are not) than the Disciplines. So I honestly don't know.

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>>51332214
Is that an offer?

>>51332214
Yes

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>Starting shitposting about Mage superiority some time ago
>It was fun at first acting like a massive autist chuuni delusional fuck
>People fell for it and got genuinely upset
>Fast forward to this
>Shitpost constantly without wanting to
>Without thinking
>The superiority just flows from my fingers
>Starting to spill to my everyday life
>Go around my day thinking how could do everything and better
>Have never even played Mage

What have I become?

>>51332484
I'll need to build up a folder first, soz
See you in a week or so

>>51332287
Most people here are Requiem fags and don't even know what Antediluvians are.

>>51332485
See. This is the problem with Mage Supremacy shitposting.
Most of the time it's not even Mage players who do it!

>>51332562
Of course I do. It's anything that pre-dates The Flood. That's what the name means!

>>51332485
You Awakened

>>51332287
>lies of a madman
How does one measure plot device? And how are archmages stronger than antediluvians?

>>51332503
I believe in you, gaywolf shitposter.

>>51332579
A shit-posting mystery play? That's crazy enough that it could work as a character concept.

So, what's the whole of a World of Darkness general if it's only about mages? Why not must rename it to something?

>>51333307
To trick other people into playing shitty games, that they don't even realise are shitty, so Mage players can laugh loudly.

>>51332935
Archmages can destroy an entire galaxy let alone our solar system. Antes can't even destroy a fucking continent.

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>>51333325
>that they don't even realise are shitty
Nice grammar, magefag.

>>51333355
>Archmages can destroy an entire galaxy
How do they do this exactly? Can you back this up?

>>51333581
Archmage with the forces sphere can control energy on a universal level dumbass.

>>51333625
Source?

>>51333652
Masters of the Art like probably every other feat of OWoD archmastery.

>>51333703
Can you link the text?

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>>51333652
Some shit book called Masters of the Art, which was disowned by it's own Author. It, along with Blood Treachery are two of the absolute worst books WW ever made, along with Dirty Secrets of the Black Hand and the original line of Clanbooks.

Has anyone ever actually played a game with archmage rules? I've been in plenty of high level games but I've never heard of a game where someone legitimately reached threshold.

>>51333781

I can agree that Blood Treachery was fucking atrocious, but I did thoroughly enjoy the fluff in Masters of the Art. The archspheres were over powered and a mess, and could have been written better, but they were still a necessity in my honest opinion. They give you a lot of ideas.

>>51333836

They're discussing Ascension Archmages. Awakening Archmages are actually playable with a coherent system. Thanks to actual real life Mage Dave.

>>51333781
>which was disowned by it's own Author
Brucato didn't write the book.

But he fucking HATES it.

>>51333967
>Brucato didn't write the book.
>But he fucking HATES it.
Probably because it has rules at all.

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>>51333930
Personally I think that Imperial Mysteries did everything that MotA tried to do but better, the fluff was on point, and whilst I never have played as an Archmaster, their means of making change changes to the Fantastic World seem a great deal more awesome.

But that really dovetails into my overall thought on Archmastery, it really doesn't work for playing, they're so overwhelmingly powerful that I struggle to articulate what a Campaign using them would be like, what does a being that lives inside it's own temple-soul *do* all day? I mean, they're so far removed from our condition that the drama ceases to function correctly in ways that we can truly rationalize.

>>51334002
>what does a being that lives inside it's own temple-soul *do* all day?
Go for a morning jog on the even horizon of a black hole, travel to 18th century vienna for some light shopping, have lunch with Luna, Sol, and other greater/lesser celestials, travel to the underworld for a quick round of mini putt by the river styx, empty the trash in one of the lower depths, craft a creature past the limits of possible biology, kill said creature for dinner, watch Galaxy Generals the hit t.v. series that's yet to be made, etc.

>>51334160
Then shitpost on /CoFD/ about Mage supremacy.

What a life.

>>51334183
>archmages transcend the boundaries of time and space just to shitpost and bully other splats
Truly a worthy use of their vast cosmological power.

>>51334228
And it doesn't even violate the Pax Arcanum.

>>51334228
Something that petty sounds perfectly in character for a lot of mages.

>>51334253
The Pax Arcanum doesn't exist in Ascension

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Best splat to play so I can have a marraige of convinience to a nubile young girl to protect her from exploitation?

Is there a particular reason why other ascended mages don't send down the occasional ochemata to wreck shit?

Surely they'd be past the point where the exarchs can retaliate.

>>51334289
That sounds like a story hook for a changeling game.

>>51331338
(You) won't be missed, and are part of the problem.

>>51334290
They've got their own shit going on up there. Oracles are busy defending the Watchtowers and Exarchs are busy being godkings of reality and also trying to destroy the Watchtowers.

I think.

>>51334289
ERP doesn't need a system desu.

>>51334290
Because the Exarchs already won their right to rule over the World of Darkness. That's the entire point. The Exarchs are the living symbols of human oppression/tyranny. How are you going to fight concepts? They're too powerful to fight directly.

>>51334358
But how am I supposed to get off if there aren't dice rolling?

>>51334290
I mean, don't they? That's where stuff like rotes and legacies come from in a lot of cases for the Pentacle, their AMages are putting down fingers once in a while when they have time between ducking super-heaven's prison angel hordes.

>>51334290
Ascended Mages are basically concepts, weak concepts compared to the supreme power of the Exarch's tyranny. I'd imagine they find it hard to think about the Phenomenal World any more.

Back from LARP. Finally winding down after a long day.

* Poor Toreador didn't get squished. But he did accidentally let the Project Twilight leader know that the vampires are investingating the 'terror attack'.
* Archon Malkavian showed up to investigate melty Tremere (finally).
* Archon Tremere and Elder Setite 'make nice' (IE: they hate each other)
* New Elysium was established.
* Prince is to be ousted next game by the Primogen if all goes as planned
* Poor young Giovanni did NOT accidentally summon Grandmother to him again...

All in all, a good session.

>>51334441
>Archon Tremere

God damn it, Archon Malkavian and Elder Setite 'make nice' even.

>>51334441

>no mages

0/10

Terrible session

>>51334269
We weren't even talking about ascension dumbass owod baby

>>51334441
>oWoD

>>51334466
No one will ever make new Mage LARP rules out of spite for Mage fans.

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>>51334441
>namefag
>larp
>owod
Cancer of this level shouldn't be possible

>>51334496
>dumbass owod baby
Don't be a meanie doo doo head. I will tell the teacher on you!

We need like 4 threads
WoD
CofD
MtA
MtAw

>>51334518
Just merge the last two into the mage supremacy thread

>>51334368
Imagination.

>>51334305
Whos the changeling? The player or the girl?

>>51334703
yes.

Can you summon multiple spirits/ghosts at once or is it only one entity per casting.

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So Cain fighting an Archmage 1v1 is suicide, apparently. Is there anyone else who could do it? Could Lilith? Lucifer? I haven't read Demon so I don't know too much about him.

>>51334984
Amp up the number of targets, and that copies the spell's effect to an increased number.

So add on -4 to increase that factor by two steps and you'll summon 4 Ghosts/Spirits.

>>51333703
>>51333737

>Masters of the Art and Blood Treachery for the reading pleasure of any masochistic Anons.

https://www.sendspace.com/filegroup/R7B%2Fv4PizHJxd0C%2BGKstmQ

>>51333967
>Brucato didn't write the book.
>But he fucking HATES it.

The fact that the narcissistic and incompetent M20 mega-douche Brucato hates Masters of the Art is probably the best endorsement the book could hope to achieve.

>>51335283
That would make sense. If I switched it to 'area of effect' i should be able to command *every* ghost or spirit in range of the spell that doesn't withstand the spell. Holy crap that's nuts. I could have dozens of spirits coming to defend me.

So is Dracula basically the vampire ideal?

>>51335439
kinda of
classy
clever
shapeshifting
seductive
an utter monster
and killing machine
but with some weird ass flaws

Does dracula actually exist in V:tR?

>>51335504

Didn't he found the Ordo Dracul?

>>51335543
I thought he was considered a mythic figure like longinus or cain.

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>>51335298
Just read Forces 9. Oh god that's powerful.

"At this level of Archmastery, the mage can alter forces that affect the whole Tellurian. He can manipulate the interaction of the Shenti, moving them closer to one another or separating them. The mage can briefly change how a universal force functions, or even invent an entirely new force ("This is the Force of Thon, which removes the distinction of gender!")

"Some Euthanatoi have wondered if Oblivion itself is an aspect of an Exemplar of Forces. Could it be that every force is just an emanation of the will of some ancient mage who imagined the cosmos into being?"

>Mind blown
>Universe crushing powers indeed
>Literal porn to Mage supremacists everywhere

>>51335556

Nope, he was more active, and wasn't always super powerful

Read Rites of the Dragon and the Ordo Dracul sourcebook.

https://www.sendspace.com/filegroup/mxoRnk9u3OISKl7SBS6OXQ

>>51335565

Masters of the Art must be ignored, or even the gonzo oWOD setting cannot survive. What supernatural entity or phenomena could withstand any Sphere at 7, no less 8 or 9?

At least in CofD, archmasters and the Imperial Practices, while *extremely* powerful, are setting and thematically consistent.

>>51335565

I'm imagining Forces 9 creating a new force, the Force of Aspel.

The nightmares will now never end...

>>51335706
I now wish to read and compare the two. does anyone have a quick summary?

>>51333625
Reminder that chances of success are 1 in 500,000.

Reminder that you will more likely botch and explode.

"Supremely" well done. Blackened. Charred.

>>51334504
Shit, you'd better fuck off and kill yourself then, before you feel compelled to read more of this thread.

Would being able to speak spirit tongue/first tongue be fair as a utility attainment? Should it be lesser or greater? I was thinking lesser.

>>51335565
Read out the part involving difficulty levels, please.

Would walking on water be matter or forces?

>>51335870
It'd be a level 1 Spirit spell, so whatever fits that

>>51334441
Is the Grandmother a GMILF? That's a Grandmother I'd Like to Fuck

>>51335905
Matter 3 (Control) or Forces 4 (Unravelling)

>>51335913
GILF

>>51335870

Understanding and speaking First Tongue is a Spirit 1 or Mind 1 effect or can even be taken as a regular language merit for someone like a mage. It would be waste of an Arcanum Attainment.

>>51335923
No, because that could be misunderstood to grandfather

GMILF it stays

>>51335940
Grandfather would be a Silver Fox or "Papi"

>>51335905

Water walking can be achieved with multiple Arcama, including lower level Practices of both Matter and Forces.

Matter to solidify the water, and Forces to levitate, alter or redirect gravity gravity, etc.

>>51335940
>GMILF

Absolutely not.

It looks like "Game Master I'd Like to Fuck," and would be totally inappropriate at the gaming table.

Since when were Demons appearing in Cofd? Is there any information about that? How old could possibly given demon be?

>>51335969
We use ST here

>>51335950
GMILF fucking stays, I'll fight you I'll fight you both

>>51335970
The God Machine pre-dates the Principle

The Principle has existed at least as long as Mages have

Individual Demons are likely to only be at most a few centuries old, but in theory they could pre-date the The Abyss

>>51330871
>Is Cain strong enough to fight off Archmages or is he just another lawn chair?

Just for the record, *any* vampire with skill in either Vicissitude or Protean can just self-transform themselves into being *not* a lawnchair.

So, y'know, Caine and any competent Elder is proooobably going to just laugh that particular spell off. Then drink the mage's blood. Then fuck the mage's wife and daughter, and make them their immortal thralls, just for kicks.

>>51336001
>The God Machine pre-dates the Principle

What's your basis for this statement?

>>51336013
A normal mage, yeah. An archmage would just buttfuck Cain.

>>51336024
Assorted bits of fluff, comments taken from these threawds and general headcanon

>>51336024

Imperial Mysteries gives a good explanation for the origin of the God-Machine. Apparently he's a former god that was kicked out of Supernal Realms by the Exarchs and is currently trying to rebuild himself.

>>51335565
Wait, Mages can manipulate the Oblivion? With Forces?

Man

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>>51336038
>"An archmage would just buttfuck Cain."
>thinking a mere archmage could circumvent the curse of motherfucking God in any way
>is this guy for real

>>51336058

How would that make the God Machine older (or younger) than the Principle?

We simply have no idea about the actual origins or nature of the Principle from Mage, Promethean or anything else.

>>51336086

Dah, the archmage would simply use Forces 9 to create the Force of "You're My Motherfunking Bitch."

>>51335379
Never fuck with a Moros in a graveyard.

>>51336058
I bumped into fan theory once that god-machine is in fact Ladder gaining sentience after fall of Atlantis and trying to rebuild itself.

While it's headcanon I kinda like this idea more

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Could you use Vicissitude to make yourself into a being that cries tears, blushes, gets hard, cums cum, and digests food?

>>51336102
>Dah, the archmage would simply use Forces 9 to create the Force of "You're My Motherfunking Bitch."

At which point God laughs and simply says "lol nope", and turns the spell into "I'm everybody's bitch", because he's fucking God.

Your wishful mage-wank faggotry has no power here, anon ;^)

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>>51336086
>Masquerade fags keep bringing up Sevenfold Curse of God
>Too biased to realize how easy it is to bypass with Archmagic
>God is just a powerful Celestine comparable to the Triat & Gaia according to canon
>Archmages might have caused the Big Bang
>Archmages can become Celestines
>Archmages by definition can surpass God

>>51336157
>Could you use Vicissitude to make yourself into a being that cries tears, blushes, gets hard, cums cum, and digests food?

No. Vicissitude allows you to shapechange, but does not make you alive in any way. The Discipline cannot circumvent the Curse.

>>51336157
>Could you use Vicissitude to make yourself into a being that cries tears, blushes, gets hard, cums cum, and digests food?

If the user is a vampire instead of a ghoul... noooot really.

You could create *simulations*, I guess. Like, storing the food in folds of your skin that is on the *inside* of your stomach or shit like that..., or making it so that you can store water inside the skin by your eyes to simulate crying, but actually digesting food or crying real tears and not blood?

Nope, not unless you've already got the relevant merits like "Eat Food" and "Blush of Health" and whatnot.

Well, unless you're a thinblood, I guess... because their curse is already weak enough to allow for them crying real tears in the first place and whatnot. Heck, IIRC they get the blush of health and eat food merits for free.

>>51336168
I don't know, Anon. After reading Forces 9 and other effects, I'm starting to believe in mage supremacy now. Especially since it seems Archmages stole God's feats. At least CofD is more balanced.

>>51336168
>At which point God laughs and simply says "lol nope", and turns the spell into "I'm everybody's bitch", because he's fucking God.

Consensual Reality, God in WoD is nothing to Mages unless they want him to be.

>>51336170
wait isn't it canon that all that is wrong.
angel souls is what gives mage power

>>51336270
lolno, that's just a theory Demons believe in Fallen. Mages irk them and they have no other explanation that satisfies them, apparently.

>>51336200
>No.
Fuck.
>>51336213
>You could create *simulations*
An excellent alternative. Thanks.

>>51336283
na its canon you got angel soul in you magefag

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>>51336299
lol ok. You can ignore canon materiel brosky. Mages can become stronger than God according to the writers. Deal with it.

>>51336270
>>51336283
>>51336299
>>51336313

Wait, then why do Demons get those shitty ass lores and Mages get spheres? Shouldn't be the other way around?

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>>51336168
>another assblasted christian can't get over the fact that the fictional thing he worships isn't the strongest fictional thing in all works of fiction

This is what happens when too many oWoD players concentrate in the same general.

>>51336313
so you follow headcanon then lol

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>>51336373
Oh man you're fucking hilarious, dude.

Why is Caine such an irresponsible dickhead?

>>51336299
Porthos Fitz-Empress captures Archangels in bottles as a hobby according to Ascenion lore. A good example of Mages shitting on God's creations.

>>51336389

Did you forget the part where Caine was the first murderer who killed his own brother?

Caine is an asshole.

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>>51336406

Ascension is to autistics what C:tD is to otherkins

>>51330586
I've actually always wanted to play a slasher, but WoD is so niche in this town that it's hard enough to get any sort of normal game going.
Slasher's have always been fairly interesting to me. They exist in this medium where they're considered as monsters by humans, but considered human by the other monsters.
I also really want to do some wacky deathtrap hijinks with a genius undertaking.

>>51335969
It's what they used in Metalocalypse. Are you too good for Dethklok, now?

>>51336038
All archmages WERE in the Umbra.

Then, along came the Avatar Storm.

All gone.

Not so supreme now, motherfucker.

>>51336765
>Implying that invalidates anything relating to power levels
>Not all Archmages were in the Umbra. Senex, Medea, Voormas, The Unnamed and half a dozen more survived

>>51336765

The Avatar Storm only affected the Gauntlet you misinformed maggot. Exemplars, Oracles and Celestines weren't affected in the Umbra.

Could you avoid the sevenfold retaliation by killing Caine through/using another person?

>>51336873

You don't need a proxy to bypass the Sevenfold Curse of God.

>>51336102
And then god uses force 10 to turn him into salt

>>51336873
Yes, in Gehenna that's how Lilith does it

>>51336943

God is a Celestine. He can't use Forces.

>>51336972
That's just what God wants you to think ;^)

>>51336981
>>51336972
>Implying God isn't already a Mage to begin with
>Masters of the Art

>>51335504

Uh.. Yeah. He was a (possibly-spontaneous, possibly sired by someone in the battle that killed him) Gangrel. Some of his childer and grand-childer are still around.

>>51336981

"God" has been an absentee diety in the oWOD for millennia In all likelihood, he's been usurped or replaced by a far more worthy and powerful archmage.

It would serve him right after the disastrous failed experiment known as humanity.

>>51336964

Which scenario is that?

>>51337248
Fair is foul

>>51337308

Oh that.

IIRC, Lilith only goes after Caine because she realize she can't do shit against God himself. But I don't remember what the scenario has in store for the aftermath if Lilith is the one defeated and Caine still lives. If that can happen at all, that is.

>>51337337
Lilith goes after Caine because he slaughtered her kids.

The scenario has two endings, either Caine repents and goes with Abel to heaven oR he doesn't and gets killed either by Lilith or one of the apostates. If it's Lilith she dies, if not she goes back to her garden

>>51337356

>Lilith goes after Caine because he slaughtered her kids.

Wait what now?

>>51337363
It's in revelations of the dark mother, which fair is foul assumes is canon.

Basically Lilith had children with big L, but for some reason Caine and his grandchildren slaughtered them all. Thus Lilith swears revenge

>>51330586
OP reminds me that I've always liked baseball bats as weapons, too bad they're rarely worth using in most settings.

>>51335039

Lucifer is stronger than Cain & Lilith but would still get crushed by a sufficiently obsessed Archmage.

>>51337379

Lucifer? This is so retarded.

>>51337483
Yup.

Now you see why Gehenna was poorly received

>>51337532

Time of Judgment, not Gehenna, was better done.

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>achieve Golconda
>still barely function during the day
>sunlight will still blow you the fuck out
>fire still makes you soil yourself
>a piece of wood can still make you its bitch
>slip up and you'll lose Golconda
>you're still fucking cursed
"""Transcendence"""

What books talk about the Celestial Ladder?

>>51336347
What part of omnipresent, omnipotent and omniscient is hard to understand?
If he's not the strongest evar, then he's not an accurate representation of an abrahamic god.

>>51336786
>hurr durr what is paradox?
>>51336818
>hurr durr what is Doissetep and Horizon?
>hurr durr what do you mean they were hurr durr murrdered?

Is Princess built for 2E? I want transforming as a gimmick

>>51336818
Oh okay, so they can't get back to Earth ever again. No more lawn furniture.

Good to know.

Now choke on something.

>>51337680
>hurdurdur doesn't know what paradox even is
>hurdurdur doesn't know where the gauntlet lies in the cosmology
>hurdurdur utter biased dumbass mage hater that sucks vampire penis

>>51337591
It most certainly was not. Players were utterly railroaded, either you follow the plotline or you flail hopelessly and then everyone dies. For many endings, everyone died anyway. The book sucked ass. The whole Time of Judgement line sucked ass.

>>51334290
The thing is its best to think of the Exarchs as the most powerful archmages to have every existed, who weaved a spell together that wrote their dominance into, and merged them with, the very structure of reality.

The reason that it's best to think of them like that is that it's what they really are.

>>51337725
>hurrdurrduerrer never even bothered to read the books
>hurrdurrduerrer blatantly ignoring Archmages are rejected by consensus on principle
>hurrdurrduerrer still doesn't know what Paradox is
>hurrdurrduerrer doesn't know Doissetep and Horizon Realms got shredded and every pathway in the Umbra is scrambled
>hurrdurrduerrer typical buttsore Magefag ignoring reality in favour of ego stroking and juvenile power fantasies

Is this the part where you go on about lawn furniture for the millionth time? Soooooo original.

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>>51337750
The misinformed Masquerade fags are still here?

>>51337706
>>51337750
Medea is a Marauder Oracle unaffected by the Consensus. "Old Man" Senex is still a father figure to the Euthanatoi. The Unnamed caused "Hell on Earth" while blackening the entire universe doing so.

I don't know where your fanfictions are coming from. I'm going by source material here. You can't go against the writers.

All the talk of godlike archmasters and breaking reality is one of the primary reasons why oWOD had the Time of Thin Blood and Avatar Storm to focus the setting on the "street level," which continued into the CofD where all the splats were seriously nerfed in 1e from their oWOD counterparts. However, the fans who actually bought the books were not impressed. The result was end of 1e line power upgrades in books like Imperial Mysteries and the Mummy line and the obvious power upgrades in everything in 2e (to say nothing of some of the powers in the x20 books). God knows what we'll see in A Thousand Years of Night

These never ending supremacy and lawn chair discussions, however, often lead me to believe that maybe WW's choice to focus on the "street level" might not have been such a bad idea after all.

>>51338010

>God knows what we'll see in A Thousand Years of Night

It's not going to be the Imperial Mysteries equivalent for Requiem. This was already stated very adamantly. Methuselahs are often overhyped.

>>51338064
>This was already stated very adamantly

When and by whom?

>>51338010

It's interesting to note that while DaveB is the developer of mage (and laughs are the mage supremacy meme), he's also now the developer for Deviant, which he claims will unquestionably be on the low end of the CofD power scale.

Is DaveB overcompensating?

Has anyone shared Tales of the Dark Eras or
Night Horrors: Conquering Heroes?

>>51338089

Dave. Who else? Our most professional wizard friend. Here's the link.

https://warosu.org/tg/thread/S49776000#p49779092

>>51337729
I don't know, I liked Apocalypse. Nothing better than letting the Children of Gaia fall to the Weaver, under the patronage of Robot Unicorn

>>51335913
Grandmother's the Embodiment of Oblivion, so... no.

>>51338197

Despite his protestations, I'm beginning to think DaveB is a closet mage supremacist. Deviant is just a small and convenient diversion.

>>51338267
No shit. He keeps writing the overpowered chuuni faggots.

Changelings resemble what they've been turned into as their Durance, they look like animals or like they're made of fire or whatever. What do Changelings that were human archetypes or jobs look like? Like a princess waiting to be rescued, a knight fiercely fighting against an unstoppable army, a street urchin survivng by his wits and nimble fingers, a singer with all the eyes in the room on her, a little old lady living in a cottage in the woods ect.

What Changelings look like under the mask is a big part of the character and I don't want to cop-out by saying they look pretty much like a human.

>>51338658

The potential appearance of Kiths are included in their descriptions.

Look to the function, job or purpose of the Changeling to determine its physical changes.

Can resistant damage be healed with mundane means like first aid?

>>51337356 >>51337337
Right, so, a few things.

1) Lilith's reasons for hating Caine are more than just killing her kids; she also hates how he used her and then left her.

2) Lilith DOES hate God but DOES also realize that she can't do shit against the Almighty, and so instead targets Caine.

3) Abel is a completely optional part of the scenario. He CAN be added but doesn't need to be.

4) The scenario's endings can go a number of ways, but what they actually basically boil down to is:
a) The players support Lilith and kill Caine (or help in that regard), in which case she lets them drink some of her blood, which undoes the Withering for them, at which point they can join her in her garden;
b) The players help Lilith kill Caine but don't drink her blood or go to her garden, in which case they're stuck on Earth with the Withering and have to make various...let's call them what they are, saving throws, to survive the Withering (but if they do, they get to be mortal again);
c) The players side with Caine against Lilith and the Apostates, Caine survives, the Withering continues as above;
d) the players stay the fuck away from all of this, Caine most likely dies, see above about the Withering.

Other options include Caine being killed by [Lasombra] or Absimilliard as part of their plans, or Saulot protecting Caine from Lilith (and [Lasombra] and Absimilliard), but all three of those Antediluvians are optional, as is Lucifer and Abel.

Now, mind you, none of this is to suggest that the scenario is GOOD, I just want to get the facts straight. For my part I actually think it has the best basic plotline out of all the Gehenna scenarios (mostly because it has minimal, if any, impact on the "real world"), it just needs to be heavily modified by the Storyteller to make the players' actions more integral and meaningful to how things play out.

Damnit I keep forgetting to turn off the name.

Chronicles of Fagness

>>51339370
>Lilith's reasons for hating Caine are more than just killing her kids; she also hates how he used her and then left her.

Bitches, amirite?

>>51339370

What is that garden of hers anyway? Who made it?

Also, since Saulot is pretty much up for saving Caine that goes to show Lilith a shit.

>>51336347
I'm not a Christian - in fact, I'm outright an atheist. That does not, however, mean that I try and impose my viewpoints on a game world that does not support them. I'm an atheist, not an asshole, and even if I don't personally believe in God that doesn't mean that I can't set that aside in order to enjoy a good story (RE: The Prince of Egypt).

The Abrahamic God is real in the World of Darkness, as depicted in the Bible, Torah, Qur'an, Book of Mormon, whatever. And he is meant to literally be that god, not any other god.

But let's play a game. The game is called, "where the fuck is it actually stated that God is a Celestine"? Is it merely suggested by a powerful mage with delusions of grandeur, or does the narrative of a book actually state it?

I mean, for my part, I can point to a huge number of Vampire works that make it abundantly clear that Caine is, in fact, the Biblical Cain, cursed by the Biblical God, to make my side of the argument clear. Hell, I'll name two VtM books that make it clear: Gehenna and the Book of Nod.

Where does the idea that God is a Celestine come from? And again, is it just some arrogant mage presuming, or is it contained within the game text itself?

>>51339531

It's just mage shitposting.

Don't bother replying to it.

It's been going on for the past several days.

>>51339531

It all seems to cited directly from "Masters of the Art", the Ascension Archmage book.

>>51339463
Lilith herself, I think. All the Elohim have their own gardens, all of which are connected to one another. Lucifer also has one, for example.

>Also, since Saulot is pretty much up for saving Caine that goes to show Lilith a shit.

Saulot mostly wants to save Caine because he thinks that if anyone but himself or God kills Caine, then the world will end. He also believes that the only "safe" way for the latter to happen is if Caine honestly asks forgiveness for his crimes, or at least comes to regret them.

There really isn't a good person in the entire "Fair is Foul" scenario, at least not of the supernatural beings, with one exception. Caine is an arrogant bastard, [Lasombra] and Absimilliard are monsters, Saulot is both pacifistic and has delusions of grandeur, Lilith is THE woman scorned, the Apostates all have their own arrogant flaws, Lucifer is, of course, Lucifer...the only one who's actually good is Abel, and Abel is a) completely optional, and b) works best as someone who is only hinted at being around until the end, when he forgives Caine for killing him. Call me an ol' softy, but I like the idea of Caine finally realizing how much he fucked up all those millennia ago and asking forgiveness, and getting it, and THAT leads to the Withering.

I just think that players need more agency in the scenario itself so that it's not just something carried out by Caine. The scenario as written involves Caine not even showing up until the very end; were I to re-work it I'd have the players instead meet Caine several times and get a chance to talk to him, with what they say to him playing in to the final scenario.

Also I'd turn it into a globe-trotting adventure rather than restricting it to a single city, but that's because I like globe-trotting adventures.

>>51339585
Right, I have some reading to do, then, because I'm rather doubtful that Masters of the Art actually comes out and says "God isn't really all that special."

>>51339637
>He also believes that the only "safe" way for the latter to happen

Whoops, meant "former". As in, the only "safe" way for Saulot to kill Caine.

The abrahamic god being 'real' is one of several reasons why I prefer nWoD to oWoD.

>>51339637
>Call me an ol' softy, but I like the idea of Caine finally realizing how much he fucked up all those millennia ago and asking forgiveness, and getting it, and THAT leads to the Withering.

While I also prefer this ending I have to admit the possible scenario of Caine walking through Abel's ghost and telling him he needs neither his pity nor his forgiveness in the middle of the final fight is the coolest bit in the book

Anybody share Conquering Heroes yet

Whats the point of having a withstand condition on teleportation? By the time you can cast the spell your default potency e.g. 4 is more than enough to have the spell succeed on even a weak connection e.g. 3.

>>51339462
Never stick your dick in crazy.

>>51339683
Yeah, but it really would cement that Caine's a total bastard through and through.

Like I said, the main thing is increasing player agency in the matter, making it so that their actions will influence Caine into choosing one result or the other.

>>51339649
>God isn't really all that special
But he really isn't.

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>>51335913
Youse knows it!

>>51339983
It strikes me too serendipitous.

You're telling me that the second oldest man in the world finally repented after 10 millennia of stubbornness because of the actions of a few vampires with which he spent like a day?

>>51336972
But you're the one who has been arguing the creator of the universe is an archmage. That means god is an archmage.

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Right, did some reading, here's all the relevant parts of Masters of the Art concerning godhood.

Not once is it suggested that God is merely a Celestine or particularly powerful Archmage. The most you could get out of it is assuming that God is merely one of the demigods mentioned here, but Masters of the Art seems to be drawing a clear distinction between classical or asiatic perceptions of deities, and the omnipotent, Judeo-Christian variety.

So, I'm really in the mood for a The Matrix game, and someone directed me to Demon The Descent.

Should I listen to him? What is the game like?

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>>51340107
>bought the pdf
>went through the whole thing to get relevant information
>compiled said information into a cohesive whole

7/10 for the effort. I mean it won't stop the arguments or the shitposters at all, but you tried.

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>>51340107
kek magefags on suicide watch.

Thank you based anon for ending the autism

>>51340051
The End of the World should take place over more than just a day, of course there would be more influence than just the players (one of the possibilities in Fair is Foul is that Caine is already beginning to have doubts, due to earlier having accidentally bumped into Lucifer and Lucifer expressing surprise that Caine is even still on Earth, and using his powers to show Caine that the Curse is actually more self-inflicted by his own latent guilt than anything; there was never an archangel).

But fundamentally, yes. While I'm a big fan of the idea that the world is bigger than the Player Characters, I also believe that they should have the biggest impact on any given story.

>>51340225
>bought the pdf

HA! That's funny. You're funny. There's a fucking mega in the OP, remember?

>>51340176
Awakening is closer to the Matrix. Except instead of machines ruling over the false world it's dickface mages who turned into gods and every mage is The One.

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>>51340278
That brings it down to a 4/10.

Why is it always magefags? They think mages are hot shit, but when it comes to run of the mill, average joe mages, which is what most non-minmaxing, non-fun-hating people play, they get their asses handed to them by every other supernatural and then some. If not by the paradox of their own spells, fucking them up their asses.

Mages are fun, bu magefags are cancer.

>>51340306

Is it? I used to play Ascension back in the early 2000s, and it wasn't really anything like The Matrix. Is Awakening any different?

The Descent sounds like what I'm looking for: spies with minor reality hacking skills going on stealth missions and blowing shit up, and having to constantly be on the run from the powers that control reality.

>>51340176
Not a bad inspiration. Watch 'person of interest' for a good feel for the setting.

As for what the game is like. Have you heard the expression a sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic? The opposite is also true.

There is a God or at least an entity so ingrained into the functioning of reality that it is indistinguishable from one. This God is probably not the God of Abraham in the sense the Jehovah was a cunt at times but he had his moments of decency. This God machine's intentions are utterly cryptic but one thing is certain it's growing in power and wants to only continue.

You play an unchained a former angel that no longer follows the instructions of the machine. You're trying to hide and build a power base to strike back with the ultimate goal of creating a 'hell' a sanctuary for you to live free from the influence of the machine and it's angels.

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>>51340399
oWoD Mage was based around Solipsism, that your reality and ability to enforce your version of reality upon a localized part of it was the source of your power. You were able to make things happen as a mage because in your bones you believed them to be true, they *had* to be true.

CofD Mage is Gnostic in nature; reality is controlled by beings of Oppression, Toil, Falsehood and Malice, the world is a spiritually Fallen place where the resources of True Magic are dwindling and being assaulted by the servants of those Dickbags Supreme, known as the Seers. Sometimes the Seers are too fractured to accomplish what they want however, so they'll just shimmy off a little piece of their own soul, send it down to the Fallen World and have it do what they need doing.

Does anyone have a PDF of the 1e VtM Player's Guide? It's one of the few things that isn't in the mega and google-fu even fails.

>>51340384

Have you actually played mages in crossover game, either oWOD or CofD, using the rules as written?

The meme did not come from nowhere.

Mages' powerset is so incredibly versatile, and without any real cap, that it almost always unbalances games.It only requires a minimal amount of creativity and rule knowlege from a mage player, and doesn't require powergaming or min-maxing This is also as intended, particularly in the CofD, because a central theme of Mage is Hubris, the effect of reality-bending power of human beings.

>>51340399
>spies with minor reality hacking skills going on stealth missions and blowing shit up, and having to constantly be on the run from the powers that control reality
Oh if that's what you want then go for it. Although Awakening could run that kind of game, Demon would probably be better for it aesthetically and just as good thematically.

>>51340532
Why must you take the bait.

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>>51340399
Sorry, posting on my phone, hit the max, continuing from here >>51340476 , Demons are fallen servants of an entity known as the God-Machine, it is ineffable and...mostly malicious in intent. The G-M creates Angels to do various things, such a 'Round up all brown-eyed kids in this area and teach them this nursery rhyme' or other creepy shit, sometimes these Angels have errors or other thoughts and they fall, turning into Demons.

So uh,

Why are they bringing back cWoD? Doesn't everyone agree that nWoD is better?

>>51340543

The bait... it's so shiny...

Reminder that 'consensual reality' was fucking stupid.

>>51340554
No

>>51340554
Mechanical-wise, maybe. Fluff-wise, not so much

>>51340569
I just never really found it workable, like I said earlier it comes off to me as Solipsism, Mages just have this bucket of belief that allows to smoosh their views on reality in 9 distinct ways because, uh- reasons? They have Avatars, sure, but that doesn't really explain what the fuck that means when they're all trying to achieve 'Consensus' since all of the Traditions have mutually exclusive views on that very thing.

>>51340554
>Why are they bringing back cWoD?
They aren't. The anniversary edition is just a cash grab. nWoD is superior, no matter how hard nostalgic oWoDfags deny it.

>>51340554
>bringing back

They started making 20th Anniversary stuff as, well, an anniversary. It expounded out from there because, y'know, cash monies.

The new company that owns the IP explicitly bought it to make an OWoD videogame, which makes sense as you have more defined backstory and such to work with making a video game with OWoD than NWoD. They also plan on releasing TT books and focusing on immersive, nordic-style LARPs, as well as a grand 'cross media' blitz where they want games back in brick and mortar stores, a Netflix TV series, CCGs and other games.

It boils down to 'people like it, people will buy it, and companies like cash monies'.

>>51340554

They're not bringing it back, it's already back with 20th Anniversary versions of Vampire, Werewolf and Mage, including a number of supplements.

Despite all its faults, I believe some people just love the metaplot and gonzo setting and powers. Nostalgia for the 1990's by little more than some adult children is also a plausible explanation.

Paradox is also producing a new WOD 5e in house. God help us.

>>51340532
Some fellow over at the official forums made a ruleset for mage that was "more cross-over friendly".

Homeboy missed the issue by a country mile. With effects like reflexive spell casting and doing nothing to curtail the real power of awakened magic.

>>51340554
I'm always half and half on oWoD v nWoD, I like Wraith and oVampire more, but basically everything else was better in their newer iteration.

>>51340544
>>51340541
>>51340476
>>51340406

Thanks a lot guys, I got a clearer picture now.

Also Person of Interest sounds good, I'll check it out.

>>51340532
Yeah, I have played Mage games, crossover games with mages in them, and I get it, Mages are powerful, but people get bent out of shape when a mage gets his ass handed to him by a run of the mill human with no real powers other than believing real hard that the mage has no powers. Playable mages are not invicible nor gods, and like antedeluvians and other crazy shit, insanely powerful, quasi-divine Archmages are there for fluff and plot devices, not to display in a dick-measuring contest.

>>51340639
Honestly, I'm hopeful for their 5th Edition. The concept of the Second Inquisition, and the scaling back of shit to more/mostly ancillae and neonates I think will be refreshing.

>>51340596
VtM is the only oWoD game that has better fluff than its nWoD counterpart.

>>51340476
>Mummified corpse in shades
That's one Arisen who knows of the modern magic of cool.

>>51340648
Like everything? Nazi vampires, western centric view points on divinity, treatment of the mentally ill? For a setting the was supposed to be progressive or whatever it has a lot of shit that makes my maladjusted neckbeard ass uncomfortable.

>>51340697
>mage getting beat up by a human
Wouldn't happen in Awakening. I know Ascension had some shitty Paradox rules but in Awakening you can get away with just about anything that isn't painfully vulgar.

>>51340714

Dracula discussed how WW needed to incorporate more event like 9-11 into the supernatural mythos of the WOD and other "edgy" things. Ugh.

Drac is still living in 1996. If a new edition is basically Vampire revised or V20, just with twice the edginess and more trench coats, katanas and mirror shades, it will be crap.

>>51340720
The clans are better and are way more charismatic in VtM. That's for sure.

Bloodlines are shite, and Tzimiscefags are the Vampire equivalent to magefags, though.

>>51340630
>The anniversary edition is just a cash grab.

That line would maybe work if they'd only published the core rulebooks, but they didn't. V20 is still getting new supplements. Werewolf is getting a video game, for Chrissake.

CWoD is back.

>>51340720
The Technocracy vs. Traditions philosophical debate ("is it better to be a safe slave, or free in a world of monsters?") by itself is better than everything in Awakening combined.

>>51340778
>nazi vampires
Oh grow up
>western centric viewpoints of divinity

Newsflash: the buying audience was western

>treatment of the mentally ill

Except for 1st edition (which is horrendous), revised treated mental illness WAY better.

Also just because it isn't PC doesn't mean it's not better. American Psycho is a "shocking" book in that regard yet it's still gold

>>51340803
Tzimisce can be fun when played by decent roleplayers instead of shameless powergamers, and they can make for some horrifying antagonists. I'm actually disappointed that they aren't in Requiem.

>>51340607
I couldn't get into ascension for that reason. Well that and the Magic vs Technology conflict was fucking stupid.

I like awakening though play it regularly along with foresaken.

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>>51340679
Last thing about Demons, they're fucked up in that they don't have identities in the way that you or I understand them, they could be 'Jane, From Accounting', where it's this heavy-set red-headed woman who has a friend named 'Becky' who she talks to sometimes on break at work, but if you were to listen in on the call there'd be static on the other line, or if you went to her apartment you'd find that it had no furniture, and that all her belongings were set out in tiny little rows on the bare carpet, the walls featureless and the whole place lacking lightbulbs in the overheads. They also have an utter separation between themselves and their identity (Cover) and can have multiple Covers running at once to be in multiple places *nearly* at once.

>>51340803
>The clans are better and are way more charismatic in VtM. That's for sure.

The clans are mostly ridiculous racial and ethnic stereotypes and caricatures. The clans and many bloodlines were often little more than attempts at demonstrating "magical minorities," the left-wing virtue signalling of the 1990's that is considered a embarrassment today.

Is the WoD mmo coming back

>>51340878
>they could be 'Jane, From Accounting', where it's this heavy-set red-headed woman who has a friend named 'Becky' who she talks to sometimes on break at work, but if you were to listen in on the call there'd be static on the other line, or if you went to her apartment you'd find that it had no furniture, and that all her belongings were set out in tiny little rows on the bare carpet, the walls featureless and the whole place lacking lightbulbs in the overheads
That seems like a good way to make normies notice you're weird which would in turn bring the angels down on your head. I figured cover was something you stole or patched together, but once you had it you lived it to make sure it kept itself up

>>51340901
>The clans are mostly ridiculous racial and ethnic stereotypes and caricatures
Did you stop reading after 1st ed. or something?

>>51340630

I don't know man. I've only played nWoD as a pen&paper-game, but I've played the Vtes cardgame and both Vampire PC-games, and read a bit of various oWoD-books, and oWoD justy seems to have much more flavor. Yes, a lot of it is silly and stupid, but the edgy 90's vibe and impending doom is just great.

Reminder that some edge lord in the 90s thought that this was a fucking good idea.

http://whitewolf.wikia.com/wiki/Heinrich_Himmler

>>51340766
Just because you're a slave of lost Irem doesn't mean you can't also be a slave to Fashion.
>>51340778
I think as Judeo-Christian horror schlock, V:tm, Wriath, H:tR and D:tF all work really well together, it's a violent, awful setting where awful people are doing awful things to one another, not a morality play.
>>51340875
My main issue with Ascension was exactly the same, the Magic v Technology thing simply made no sense to me and smacked far too much of anti-intellectualism wrapped in a mystic(k)al package.

>>51340901
Some of the Clans started that way, but really only the Assamites and to a lesser extent the Ravnos are still stuck like that.

The Giovanni, for example don't really conform to any Italian stereotypes except some vague mafia overtones, and even those are themselves overshadowed by the whole necromancer/incest thing that isn't found in any Italian stereotypes that I'm aware of.

None of the Camarilla or Sabbat clans conform to any ethnic stereotype. The Camarilla clans are actually basically what the Requiem clans would later be; each one conforms to typical vampire portrayal.

>>51340952
>book is from 1993

Yeah it's cringy but they got their shit in order by the end

>>51340778

Shut it SJW, men are talking.

>>51340952
They didn't even pick a SMART Nazi for that

They picked fucking Himmler. The retard. The RPfag.

>>51340938
What I was describing is more on the low-Cover side for sure, like a 1 or a 2 at best. Better Covers are as you say as good as real identities in some cases, and if you have multiple high Covers you can basically be multiple people as I said.
>>51340923
No, please God, no.

>>51340999
What else do you expect from the Tremere?

>>51340939

Sadly, no.

Do recall the Kindred of the East or Dark Kingdom Africa supplements.

>>51340999
Well Hermann Goring is apparently also a vampire if that helps.

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>>51340832
>babby's first philosophical debate is superior than the whole of a settings details and themes
>the extremely biased ascensionfag has returned

>>51340983
I'd venture that really the only mainline clans that had terrible gimmicks by the end were Malks, Tzimisce, Ravnos, Setites and Assamites. The first two are there mostly because I found their typical players insufferable at the table.

>>51341036
What exactly is wrong with Kindred of the East? If anything, stuff like a thousand hells made me more interested in Chinese mythology.

Haven't read Dark Kingdom so I can't comment

>>51340679
They can also go 'super-saiyen' by 'going loud' one of the more entertaining splat mechanics.

>>51340999
Yeah, but Himmler and Hitler are the two Nazis who are famous in pop culture myth for not having actually died. Hitler would be a little too on the nose, so they went with Himmler. Plus Himmler was the one who was famous for being into occultism. If you MUST have a high-ranking Nazi as a vampire, Himmler is the obvious choice.

>>51340945
It's a matter of taste. The impending doom and 90's edginess are two of the biggest things I don't like about it.

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>>51341082
>>51341036
Yeah, no, he's totally on point with the Kindred of the Ebony Kingdom, it was fucking awful, I too never really understood the big furor over Kindred of the East, but the Hengeyokai and Beast Courts were cringey as fuck and terrible. There was also a distinct current of 'Easterners are better at spirituality than Westerners' running through those books as well, especially in their Wraith supplements.

>>51341078
Fishmalks are an integral part of the oWoD, though. Like "elf slave what do". The world just feels emptier without them.

>>51341082
The main issue with Kindred of the East is that it posits that East Asians AND ONLY EAST ASIANS become special vampires different from every other vampire in the world, rather than connecting them to the larger Cainite lore.

Also the whole thing loosely ties into Exalted.

I actually don't mind Kindred of the Ebony Kingdom, since the Laibon Legacies are just bloodlines of the Kindred's Clans.

>>51341111
He was super into occultism, yes, but he wasn't embraced because of that. Some Tremere went "He might be useful to us in the future!" and did it.

>>51341078
It's very difficult to find good Malkavian and Tzimisce players. Most malks are "lol so randumb" fags, and the vast majority of Tzimisce players are powergaming edgelords.

>>51341227
I don't get why Tzimisce and powergaming go hand-in-hand, at least not as long as you're not going any higher than 5 dots in Vicissitude.

There's nothing particularly powerful there that I can discern.

>>51341199
Yeah, but that doesn't change the fact that most of the time when they tried to do stuff centered around WWII especially it just came off as cludgey and insensitive, like how the Technocracy/Get started the whole 'Racial Purity' thing the Nazis were so on about. The only supplement they published from that era that I adored was Charnel Houses of Europe and that'd because it had to be made, since Wriath certainly couldn't ignore the implications the Holocaust had to their setting.
>>51341191
It's weird how much I find myself agreeing, back then they would have bugged the shit out of me if I were a player (even more so if I were STing) but now they're on that level for sure. It's like the Special-Ed clan, you can't help but sort of love them.

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I heard someone refer to New World of Darkness having a "SJW ruleset" as opposed to the original. What could he heave meant by this?

>>51341227
>>51341298
It wasn't the powergaming that annoyed me, it was usually the fact that they would often misconstrue the nature of the clan (a problem with Sabbat as a whole) and instead play them as either Dr.Mengle or Pinhead knock-off, as opposed to Aristocrat with...odd proclivities. I also dislike both Malks and Tzis because people ignore the rest of their clan's lore on powers for their unique disciplines, ignoring how awesome the set that Malks get is, and how flexible the internal lore of the Tzimisce allows you to be at character creation.

>>51340969
>Just because you're a slave of lost Irem doesn't mean you can't also be a slave to Fashion.
I mean, runway models have less meat on them than the average just woken up mummy. Are we sure they're not just really well moisturized Arisen? I'm going to need to start bringing some /fa/ into my mummy character in game now.

Could anyone recommend a good Vampire The Requiem actual play podcast or video series?

>>51341343
Mechanically it doesn't. It does have really shitty holier-than-thou sidebars that eat up valuable page space that could be better used for small shit like rules.

>>51341343

I don't believe the ruleset for nWOD/CofD was "SJW."

However, the very left-leaning slant of the npcs, fictions, etc. was not subtle. One need only read a few of ubiquitous sidebars to understand the politics of the developers and authors, although some are far worse than others.

However, CofD was really no more left-wing than the oWOD. The accepted expressions of such politics, however, were just very different in the 1990's than they are today.

>>51341405

The mummy with the sunglasses needs to be smoking a cigarette to be *really* cool.

>>51341502
Trenchcoat yes or no?

>>51341502
>"My lord, you know you're quite flammable right? Due to being a dried corpse soaked in resin and chemicals?"

"Shut the fuck up, priest, it is worth the risk to be trendy."

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>>51341502
>>51341560
>>51341405
A further development of our Arisen friend.

>>51341560
No, something in wool I'm thinking. Shit, maybe we should just go ask /fa/ to dress a dried corpse for us.

>>51341624
A mummy would obviously dress urban chic.

>>51341624
More like the blingingest sarcophagus ever.

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>>51341610
>'Please, sire, you cannot walk about the village!'
"Shut the fuck up man, I can do whatever the fuck I want, now help me walk."

>>51341610
Buys packs or rolls his own?

>>51340802
Actually, he said:
The inability to deal with and integrate real-world events in the setting. If you can write about the Holocaust, you can write about 9/11. Fear is the death of creativity. The game was always best in the hands of storytellers who dared to place the story close to reality, often in their own cities, featuring real places and people.

That doesn't, to me, mean 'ZOMG ASSAMITE 9/11!!!!!!!1111one'. It means 'these things happened.'

I'm going to withhold judgement until I can see more, but overall the very small setting tidbits they've mentioned are up my alley.

>>51341677
>that culture that exhumes their dead and has parties, dinner, etc. with them on a specific schedule

WTF, mate. WTF.

>>51341677
>>51341624
>>51340476
"NO! I am the swaggest of you all!"

>>51341711
This.

You're telling me that an event such as 9/11 wouldn't leave a huge mark on the shadowlands? That there aren't going to be xenophobic wraiths in NYC?

>>51341682
>Buys packs or rolls his own?

His cult rolls them to his specifications, and they better not screw it up...

>>51341711
>I'm going to withhold judgement until I can see more, but overall the very small setting tidbits they've mentioned are up my alley.
Same, some of the Dark Eras were quite good, Mage Noir and New Wave Requiem were both great fucking books. Hell, even in oWoD you have The Great War and Charnel Houses for Wraith, and the surprisingly good Wild West supplement for Werewolf.
>>51341743
Hey, that seems like a great thread to first find out about an Arisen's cult as a Hunter.

Do we have any idea when the Dark Eras Companion will be released?

I eager to see the Mage - Mummy crossover material.

Do we know what eras will include mages?

>>51341663
Doc martens with some sort of pseudo cargo slacks from H&M. Dress shirt with top buttons undone with a woolen deep v neck. Leather jacket of some sort and of course a Shemagh.

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>>51341677
>>51341624
>>51340476
>not wearing the finest silks.

>>51341779
See, something like that, to me? It's okay, as long as it's handled with some tact and decency. I'm reminded of one of the Spider-Man comics that came out right after that did a 'how this affected the world' type situation. Something like that, if done tactfully, adds a level of... not realism, but depth... to the overly-gonzo WoD world. It's why I'm not expecting shit like 'loyalist Assamites did 9/11 to destabilize the Camarilla' and shit like that.

>>51337656
And there is no evidence that your bible is a cannon WoD book.

>>51342234
>le lightbringer face

>>51341937
What's a shemagh

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>>51342277
Scarf used by people in desert countries to keep dust out of their faces adopted by soldiers when we started to blow up said countries now worn by hip 20 somethings.

So, Paradox Conditions...
Would the old 1e brandings and so forth be suitably represented by conditions if contained within a Mage's soul? Or would those be more appropriate if released?

>>51342555
I'd say a paradox that would be strong enough to cause a manifestation would cause a branding if contained

>>51330586
Aren't spirits too strong? Rank 3 spirit can easily have 15+ dicepool, and that's not even the limit. Are they like this on purpose?

>>51342694
>Are they like this on purpose?

Yes. A Rank 3 Spirit is a serious NPC, equivalent to the 5-7 range on human-ish character's power traits like Vampire Blood Potency.

>>51342694
Rank 1 are pisspots.
Rank 2 are reasonably potent.
Rank 3 are important local players, not to be underestimated.
Rank 4 are probably the "rulers" of the local Spirit ecology.
Rank 5 are frighteningly powerful, do NOT fuck with them.
Rank 6+ are plot devices, or beings you don't want to meet on a stroll through the Shadow.

You can probably take down a Rank 3 with the entire group working together, and either suitable powers, or a good plan. But you'll likely want to hunt down some information on its Bane.

>>51339007
Yes. Bashing damage can be healed with a Dexterity+Medicine extended action (1 minute per roll difficulty equal to number of points of bashing damage) it may require special equipment like a first aid kid.

Lethal and aggravated damage can be downgraded not healed at a rate of point per day at a medical facility (Hospital, battle field clinic, doomsday preper facility) with an Intelligence+Medicine extended action 1 hour per roll 10 success per point aggravated 5 per lethal.

Now the real question is can you enhance your skills in medicine with magic?

>>51340793
Even more so in Awakening 2E, there coincidental/vulgar distinction is finally gone and you may cast whatever you like with only some minor problems.

>>51339007
>>51342881

Resistant damage can only be healed naturally. Neither medical intervention, nor supernatural means can increase the healing time.

>>51340793
You don't even have to do that. If pressed into a corner flair your nimbus and slip away in the ensuing chaos of sleeper mind rape.

Hubristic? Certainly. Efficient? Definitely.

>>51340878
>dark eyes
>young
>no voice
Would Bang

>>51341018
So Demons are all about the build a person using stolen/ broken/ thrash/ traded parts. neat. like Sims

>>51340802
>Dracula discussed how WW needed to incorporate more event like 9-11 into the supernatural mythos of the WOD

They already (partially) addressed that in V20 Anarchs Unbound though... essentially, there was no supernatural bullshit going on, as far as everyone knows; no Assamite vampires funding terrorists, no steel beams being melted by Tremere mage-fuckery, etc.

In the end, it was just a product of regular humans wanting to murder the fuck out of each other due to paranoia, fear, anger and faith.

Though, that didn't stop supernaturals from benefitting from all that extra paranoia that 9/11 caused and other shit.

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>>51342351
Oh, okay then.

Are there any theories on nature of Chthonians?

>>51343262
IIRC the fear was from a misunderstanding; a rumour got around that ur-Shulgi was involved with 9/11, only for it to later turn out it was ur-Shulgi was involved with the AFTERMATH of 9/11, i.e. the invasion of Afghanistan and Iraq

New thread >>51343489

>>51341131

Ok, yeah I don't think nWoD is bad by any stretch.