Pathfinder General /pfg/

First for SoM looks nice

>>51327114
I like to roam in places just dangerous enough to be exciting but just safe enough that I'm not guaranteed to die.

xth for post selection depression

>>51327253
So you play video games on the difficulty just above normal setting?

You gonna play Nier Automata comrade?

Everywhere I can.

>>51327114
Man, haven't been back on /tg/ for years.
Used to on every day, but my groups dried up and every campaign just kept fizzling out. It felt too depressing to come around here.
Finally back in the saddle now though, and DMing a Reign of Winter campaign.
That being said, the players have now briefly met Greta.

>>51327279
Not the same anon but I usually do.
Except for shmups, where highest is bestest.

>>51327317
You didn't answer my spoilered question, comrade Anon.

>>51327307
Cue the music.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1VaEdKwXJhM

Aside from Fluffy 2, are there any decent pfg games recruiting?

>>51327278

There will be other games, anon!

>>51327419

>Fluffy 2
>Decent

Sorry, but the other games are lewd-heavy smut fests. Wrath of the Raunchy looks promising!

>>51327392
Yeah, I just googled her earlier today because I'm probably making this way harder on myself, but I was trying to translate her character into an actual character sheet and it wasn't making sense to me. Then /tg/ archive threads started popping up all over the place.
There's always the chance my party will skin her in the hopes of crafting another magical pelt however, so I might be putting too much thought into what to do with her.

>>51327419
Depends on how many vampires are allowed into Sleepy.

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>>51327347
And I never will!
Mwahahaha!

>>51327703

Diabolical!

>>51327419
Somebody put forward a game idea last thread, but only got one response, so they probably dropped it due to lack of interest.

>>51327779

I just get tired of telling people to post a roll20. Gets kinda old.

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>>51327114
I've always wanted to do stuff on the Etheral plane, it doesn't get enough love. I was really hoping that with Kineticist and Occult Adventures it would get some, but nope. Nada.

Hey Jolly!
What the hell are they wearing on their heads in the Neurokineticist pictures? And why all the face tattoos?

>>51327848
>Wearing

It doesn't look like they're wearing anythying, anon. Looks to me like those are embedded in their skulls. Maybe their brains with part of the skull removed. Check the left-looking guy.

>>51327435
Probably not another Jade Regeant with decent char gen.

At least not for a while.

>>51327873
This just raises even more questions.

>>51327779
Nah, just not planning on launching until closer to when I can run it. I'll let apps stay open for two weeks.

>>51327878
What about DHB's game?

>>51327815
....I might be writing one.

My co-writer is in writer block mode sadly.

>>51327791
I am not a suitable player for that game, sorry. It's a lovely sounding game.

>>51327951
Not really interested in the concept.

>>51327955
Yay!
Mindfucking is the best fucking

>>51327791
I swear if I don't get into Fluffy because XS gets a slot I'm going to be incredibly jealous of you all and hope the game goes really well.

>>51327114
Does Unscathed (trait) work with resistances you acquire (temporarily)? For example a Resist Energy spell?

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>>51327955
So I am not the only CE /pfg/ goer.

Tell me. What's the worst torment you have done to someone in your games?

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>>51327997
>mfw the trap slot is still uncontested

>>51327419
What kind of game would /pfg/ even want to play in? Seems like every game is gestalt+3pp+paizo+homebrew+lewd

>>51328110

Traps are overrepresented!

>>51328143

How about something not lewd?

>>51327921
Same here. What kind of game did you want to run, anon?

>>51328145
>one trap
>overrepresented
w-what?

>>51328143
Something with adventure and lewd on the side that I could adapt my rejected concept to.

>>51328110
It's trap OR shota. Thiefboy, sheepboy, dogboy, super horse and Foxdie all have a chance at that slot!

>>51327997
I'm not applying, you're safe....from me.

>>51328108
I let them live with the consequences of their actions, which condemned an alien race to slavery, created a galaxy spanning empire, and turned humans into food for a race of brain eating monstrosities which used to be human. That's what happens when you are personally responsible for the creation of the entire race of illithids.

>>51327974
Pillory is definitely good at that.

>>51328143
I'm fine with 3pp (Mostly DSP, Legendary, and Forrest) + Paizo (ignoring crappy errata) + Lewd (as long as it doesn't take over the game) for the most part. Homebrew I'd wanna look at, and gestalt just seems a bit much.

>>51328213
Kon kon did not mention shota at all on the roll20 page

>>51328188

Traps are talked about all the time on /tg/ and 4chan, but here when it's crunch time to make one, nobody does!

>>51328228
Aw, but I didn't want to be safe from you! I wanted to engage in political, socioeconomic, ethics-and-morality philosophical combat with you and be put up a solid struggle but eventually be laid low and be broken by your machinations!

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So I'm thinking about starting a campaign that takes place in a colonial frontier style world. Races available are humans, elves, and half elves (elves being more like native American's in culture then the traditional fantasy setting). Exotic weapons and modern firearms will not be available, but use of ancient firearms is encouraged. Elves will be class restricted to witch, barbarian, and druid. Humans to wizard, alchemist, and gunslinger. Either race can take ranger, fighter, or rogue. How it would start is the party is a ragtag group of skilled individuals who have been hired by a trading company to collect fur pelts (elves are essentially natives hired as guides), and then I'd let the story grow from there. Any advice or criticism I can have for this? Maybe some media I can check out for inspiration for the story?

>>51328308
In a noblebright game? That would be working against the party's interests and would be mean.

Honestly, I do noblebright characters very well - in small doses and not long term. The chaos is too ingrained.

>>51328337
>race restrictions
>class restrictions
>class/race restrictions
>not even interesting classes

>>51328337
It sounds extremely limited. I mean, if you want to do it, go for it, but run the idea by your group first, and don't be surprised if you get a luke-warm response at best.

>>51328337
Can I carve out my own nation, declare independence from my original nation and set up a republic?

>>51328337
>race restrictions
alright fine
>class restrictions
whyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy

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>>51328143
This one is 1pp only.

https://app.roll20.net/lfg/listing/66894/way-of-the-wicked

Who wants to join?

>>51328337
Your race-class restrictions favor the elves heavily. A witch might not have the adaptability of a wizard but their supernartural powers and access to clerical spells make up for it, and gunslinger needs serious help to be effective (given that you are only allowing ancient firearms, you're screwing them even further). Adding fighter and rogue to the mixture at all - unless it's Unchained rogue, and you replace fighter with anything else - is adding insult to injury.

Unless there are tons of wizards, the elves will steamroll over the humans the instant humans start fucking up their shit.

>>51328393
>Honestly, I do noblebright characters very well - in small doses and not long term.
So how come Ryukuza quest went on so long?

>>51328164
>non-degenerate
Hang in there, friendo, your time will come.

>>51328473
I was going to, and then I realized my favorite builds are all 3pp, and I like playing martials that aren't significantly weaker than the rest of the party.

I'm also horrible at RPing evil.

>>51328337
The idea has a lot of merit, but I would HEAVILY suggest not doing the class restrictions you've got listed. A better alternative in my opinion would be to make each race have one class that only they can take.
EX: Humans get gunslingers or alchemists, Elves get witches or druids, and half elves have to pick based on their heritage and upbringing.

Ignoring mechanical concerns about it all (where ya getting gunpowder and parchment when you're in the middle of bum fuck with the winter snowing you in?) the restrictions should help build the world and give a bit of instant flavor about each race in the process.

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>>51328568
>Hang in there, friendo, your time will come.

Yay!

>>51328557
It's not noblebright. The character is a little more complex, the quest is not. Nobleneutral, perhaps. And there are times when I can't write it because of my frame of mind. Ryukusa is love, and her girls are the best. they don't deserve anything but my best for them, even when they suffer a little.

Compare it to the other quests I have run and it really is an outlier. Same is true fro my characters in games. There are two or three really good people....and the rest are not noblebright at all. Mnemaxa the Chaotic Good Gifted Soulknife was a rare and amazing exception. And he won't fit in fluffy. No slaves to free, mostly.

>>51328574
>Elves get 9th level casters
>Humans get alchemists and shit

>>51328568
Why not play a vigilante (faceless enforcer)?

http://www.d20pfsrd.com/classes/base-classes/vigilante/archetypes/vigilante-archetypes---paizo-inc/faceless-enforcer

You've got 30 PB!

so what are the upcoming non lewd games?

Mana Wastes Steel Ball Run and Corkheel, what else?

>>51328664
Humans get wizards, the most powerful 9th level caster in the game, anon.

The issue is that elves get witches, the third strongest 9th level caster, and druids, a 9th level caster with pets or ties to the community. Witches get clerical magic and supernatural abilities out the wazoo.

Witches+druids=unbeatable combo when they decide the end is come.

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>>51328213
No, it pretty much said a trap PC for the slot, not shota.

>>51328675

I hope there's a Galtian campaign!

>>51328674
If anything, I'd just play a magus, since I never got much of a chance to. I was thinking about porting over my old character, but it's very similar to the AntiPaladin that already applied and hopefully someone tells him that playing an antipaladin is suffering and he's better off doing literally anything else.

>>51328675
How far in the future do you consider "upcoming"?

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>>51328664
I'm talking thematically, not mechanically and theorycrafting balance.

Elves are still all woodsy and nature humping, humans are starting progress and their own industrial base by the sound of it. Thus they get things that represent that.
For example, if it would make more sense don't know, not the guy asking I'd have said only humans get clerics because of their cosmopolitan approach to religion, or humans get Mech Jockeys because fucking mechs.

>>51328774
Thematically it is great. The issue is that theme+mechanics=bad things for PCs who are humans if the elves decide to end them. If your plot saysthe elves fight back, the humans WILL LOSE unless you purp[osefully hold back the elven druids and witches. Both classes can utterly destroy crops, fields, livestock, foul water, and literally destroy the livelyhood of the humans - and the wizards will only be able to fix it if the witches and druids don't kill them. when your witch is blighting the field and a wizard comes to stop her, he's suddenly eating lightning bolts cast by the falcon perched in a nearby tree.

>>51328774
The mechs aren't all that powerful once transcribed to pathfinder optimization deals. They're a much cheaper and less broken (not in the overpowered way) option than much of the tech stuff, especially mech-armors, but most full casters will be dealing with a 'huge' one rather easily after rusty-dagger levels even on their own.

>>51328719
>implying your average wtich or druid even gets to the point where that shit starts to matter.
You're average skrimish is going to be human gunmmen making swiss cheese out of ooga booga elves.

Tiers aren't a direct translation of power anyway.

>>51328838
I understand that the issue at heart here is balance, but maybe that's even intentional in the story? Humans put on their asshats, try to push the uncivilized elves around, get their shit smacked in on the frontier. Maybe they even lose a continent to the elves, but then humans still have wizards, and human+wizard has always resulted in some sort of fucked up MAD policy. Demons, scry and die, flying castles and dropping things on peoples heads, it would get bad because ya know, wizards.

Also, note in my original suggestion I said OR, not AND.

>>51328845
Huh, I just grabbed that as a quick example, did someone ever do a full conversion for Dragonmech to Pathfinder?

>>51328931
>slumber hex
>wild shape
>evil eye/cackle
>nature bond
>literally any spell

>vs gunslingers without modern firearms

>>51328931
Druids and witches won't need to skirmish. They're just starve the humans to death. A druid and his animal companion can scare off game for miles. A single witch can use blight at first level to sicken and kill any one person or animal through con damage, to say nothing of crops and fields. Bullet shield and cloak of winds are both witch spells.

There is no skirmish agaisnt people who can wander in and out of your towns without you ever noticing them, and less of one when you have no food. It's not even a matter of tiers, it's literally what the classes are designed around.

Now, the original premise does not have them as antagonistic...but if that changes, druids+witches>wizards+alchemists.

Just pointing out the most glaring and dangerous flaw in the idea.

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Considering making a weird fantasy campaign where all the races are OC (no humans, etc) Think Talialanta, Morrowind, all the weird 80s stuff. Considering making it for /pfg/; does that sound remotely interesting?

>>51329101
>Morrowind

But Tamriel has four, count 'em, FOUR whole races of humans! Five if you count Reachmen.

>>51329121
REMOVE REACHMEN remove reachmen
you are worst breton. you are the breton idiot you are the breton smell. return to markarth.

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>>51328763
>it's very similar to the antipaladin that already applied

Who cares about making a similar character?

Make a cute magus girl! A cute elf magus girl!

>>51329121
When I mentioned Morrowind I was clearly referring to Dunmer culture and to Vvardenfell's environment of ash, mushroom trees, silt striders, etc.

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>>51329006
Druids and witches are really nothing special at level 1, you know?

>>51329198
I mean, okay, yeah. Technically I have to accept that.

>>51329198
To another diehard fan of Morrowind, perhaps, but to anyone who knows the Elder Scrolls series either as a whole or through its more recent games, that's a pretty hasty assumption.

>>51329206
>Slumber Hex at lvl 1

How would Iomedae feel about one of her paladins getting intimate with a witch woman of relatively upstanding moral character?

Would the answer change if the witch reminded him of the most horrific part of his life, and could endanger his sanity?

>>51327114
Osirion and other exciting places in North Garund. Desert qts are top shelf!

>>51329198
Elder Scrolls does have like, five or something different types of elf.

Heck, when you get down to it, there's only four basic races. Men, Elves, Agonians, and Khajiit, and then each also has its subspecies.

I mean, the difference between types of Khajiit is FAR beyond that of the difference between an Imperial and a Nord.

I don't know enough to talk about the Akaviri, but weren't they also animalpeople of some kind?

>>51329249
Jesus Christ anon that's not the point.

Do the denizens of /pfg/ want weird fantasy or not?

>>51329249
No wait, six types of elf.

High, Wood, Dark, Orc, Snow, Dwarf.

I get the feeling there's another obscure one I'm forgetting.

Chimer don't count.

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>>51329249
Well there were tiger-men with a dragon king, snow demons, monkey-men of some kind, and a bunch of sneks, who actually did NOT look like pic.

A couple of 'em ruled Cyrodiil for a while and it's why the Empire likes katanas so much. Also the Blades started out from there.

>>51329280
You don't appear to be forgetting any- WAIT

Ayelids.

>>51329279
It'd be pretty cool.

>>51329298
One thing I will never understand is why the fuck she has pointy ears. That's neither a snake OR human feature.

It's like all those shark OCs on furaffinity with pointy ears. Where the hell you getting that from?

>>51329206
...And gunslingers are? At first level gunslingers get 3 deeds, one of which is 'spend grit to fire farther' one of which is only useful against ranged attacks, and one of which is making guns suck just a little bit less. They also get a few grit, and the ability to spend just about all of their money to make their only weapon work.

Witches get spells, a hex, and a familiar. Druids get their bond, spells, nature sense, and wild empathy.

Not only that, but why is level 1 the comparison point? I get not using level 12, but why not something like level 3 or 4?

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>>51329230
Level 1 slumber hex is pretty meh compared to one-shotting someone.

>>51329348
>...And gunslingers are?
No, fighters are. Give those level 1 fighters some longbows and bow feats and watch them wreck shit.

>Not only that, but why is level 1 the comparison point?
Because the comparison is army vs. army.

>>51322171
>Way of the Wicked
My group is having fun, though there are five of us. And half the party is multiclassing casters for some ungodly reason. (Antipally, Cleric/Antipally, Memerist/Arcanist, Witch, and a Slayer.)

It's actually not terrible, but to escape you totally need to set the field on fire.

>>51329351
Putting someone to sleep is effectively one-shotting them. They're out of the fight. And a druid's animal companion can just as easily one-shot a gunslinger.

>>51329366
The humans also have access to fighters.

>>51329325
Oh yeah. So seven.

Seven different types of elf. One went extinct, one degenerated into basically goblins, one unmade themselves, and another is Orcs.

>>51329345
Well, she is a lamia, so perhaps the author decided that they were a type of elf...

>>51329351
But sleep is a one-shot anon. You've removed them from combat

>>51329394
The elves* also have access to fighters.

>>51329351
Not him, but a 1 minute sleep at level one is pretty much a one shot if done right.

If not, then it forces another character to use a standard to wake up them.

And it can be done again and again at ranged on different targets, or twice to the same if accused hex is taken.

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>>51329394
>>51329407
>>51329428
http://www.d20pfsrd.com/classes/base-classes/witch/hexes---3rd-party-publishers/hexes/common-hexes/hex-slumber-su

>Effect: A witch can cause a creature within 30 feet to fall into a deep, magical sleep, as per the spell sleep. The creature receives a Will save to negate the effect. If the save fails, the creature falls asleep for a number of rounds equal to the witch’s level.

Oh wow, witch! You just made someone fall asleep for 1 round, from 30 feet away?

How are those Rapid Shotting archers firing from hundreds of feet away feeling?

>>51329345
It's supposedly 'youkai shorthand' - a way to indicate that the character in question is not human, whether it's bothering to disguise itself as one or not.

This is also why elven ears tend to be /extremely/ long over there - because short pointed ears were already being used to denote 'this is a youkai' and using more D&D-like elven ears (short and pointing upward instead of LONG and pointing sideways) would've caused confusion.

Or at least that's the story I was told. Maybe /a/ would have a different answer.

>>51329407
And when the slightest noise wakes them right back up and they're therefore not dead and therefore able to track you down?

>>51329233
I'm not sure she'd care unless the witch was actively doing Evil.

Should fertility for a half-elf and Tiefling (Pitborn) follow human norms?

>>51329345
Most ears are pointed, you only really get round ears when you're in trees forever.

>>51329496
Pitborn are incredibly virile, and half elves are made for breeding.
Take that as you will.

>>51329501
So apes were the anomaly all along? That explains a lot. Why do trees cause round ears, anyway?

>>51329496
Depends on the setting.

>>51329546
Pointed ears can be pointed, which is useful when everything you're listening for is in the same 2d plane as you. They are also better at standing up above the head.

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https://app.roll20.net/lfg/listing/66894/way-of-the-wicked

How do I into a real villain?

>>51329679

Way of the constant fucking shilling

>>51329455
>>51329480
You seem to be under the mistaken belief that the witch is on their own and not, you know, in a group that can capitalize on a sleeping victim.

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>>51329679

Oh, that's easy.

Make a character who grew up wrong, got rewarded for being selfish and throwing their weight (whether physical, magical or arcane) around, and then the Law finally catches up to them and throws them in this predicament.

>>51328748
>>51328250
Huh, I was wrong.

Therefore slot 1 is Ryu and therefore Kimberly is out.

If Kimberly is out, the only other busty person is Soyhon so she takes slot 2.

Soyhon's skillset overlaps with both Jianshi and Ri since they're all skillmonsters so those two are out.

It's a fight between Kagerou, Nemone and Akane for slot 3 and the rest of the males for slot 4, then.

>>51329790
But Ryu is an investigator assassin not a healsut

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>>51329710
As opposed to a company of level 1 NPC fighters or NPC rangers hammering away with their longbows from hundreds of feet away.

>>51329480
Is eroding the confidence of one of her champions acceptable?

>>51329511
So just instant pregnancy after night 1?

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>>51329679
>level 1
>30 PB
>1pp only, no occult classes

I want to be a VIABLE Dex/Cha character from level 1 who attacks with weapons, not casts spells.

I want Dex to be important for the class, and Cha to be important too. But I want to deal, you know, decent damage.

And I don't want to be human.

What are my options?

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>>51329546
Golarion, m8

>>51329860

If it's not a safe day? Yeah.

Pregnancy chances assume the conditions are all there for conception to occur.

>>51329862
Bow Paladin?

>>51329860
If she's of age to be menstruating and he's not shooting blanks, then probably.

>>51329862
One dip into Swashbuckler, the rest into Slayer

>>51329900
>swashbuckler
Really?

>>51329845
Borderline, but I'd err toward yes based on how she's been portrayed so far.

There could easily be a warning or even a smiting.

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>>51329885
>>51329896
How broadly available is fantasy birth control in Absalom? How morally acceptable is its use?

>>51329888
>evil game
>paladin
Lel

>>51329910
Only the first level, so you can have the initial deeds and the Finesse.

>>51329920
I wouldn't have the slightest idea on the first one, but given mortality rates in children and the stigma in medieval times, I'd say moral acceptability is low.

>>51329920
>How broadly available is fantasy birth control in Absalom?

Extremely available, bordering on ubiquitous; the stuff you're looking for is Night's Tea if a woman (a cup is contraceptive for the night, a jug will abort) or Bachelor's Snuff if you're a man (one huff up the nostrils will make you sterile for three days, but constant use yellows your nails.)

>How morally acceptable is its use?

This is never discussed in detail, however abortion is suggested to be seen as an "option of last resort" more than something blase and casual.

>>51330001
>option of last resort"
Because Pharasma will rape you to death

>>51329826
>what are perception checks
>what are range increments
>what is obscuring mist
>le_smug_anime_gril.jpg
Yeah okay.

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>>51330041
>Perception checks
Not that hard.

>range increments
Good price to pay for attacking hundreds of feet away.

>what is obscuring mist
Something you can only hide behind for so long.

Face it, company of level 1 NPC fighters or rangers >>>>>>> company of level 1 NPC druids and witches.

>>51330031

I was actually going to point that out! There isn't any information on Pharasma's view on contraceptives, but it's confirmed she does *not* like abortion.

In contrast, Urgathoa loves abortion, mainly because it means you can continue on with a wastrel, decadent lifestyle without some wailing twerp on your knee.

>>51329862
Elf U.Rogue, grab a rapier and have fun. I think there's an archetype that gives you magus casting too

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>>51330082
>Elf
>URogue

>Cha important

I don't think so.

>>51330001
I just would hate for my character's waifu to be left with child while he's busy saving the world, but I'm worried that using the substances may constitute dishonorable acts that besmirch the Inheritor.

>>51330093
>but I'm worried that using the substances may constitute dishonorable acts that besmirch the Inheritor.

Nah, you're good. Enjoy the pleasure of finishing inside!

>>51330071
Wooded conditions at hundreds of feet away is at least +12 to the DC. At level 1.
It's not such a good price to pay when you can't hit anything.
It was an example to show that spellcasters have other ways to cause trouble, things your fighters and rangers don't have.

Face it, company of level 1 NPC druids and witches >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> company of level 1 NPC fighters or rangers.

So if I want to make a character with technology stuff, how do they refill their charges?

>>51330249
Raid ancient futuristic technological ruins.

Seriously, there's no reliable way.

>>51330249

The Techslinger has a Deed that makes you use one less charge (minimum 0) than normal, but it costs a Grit.

Your best bet is to buy a Solar Panel Generator and pray you roll well to keep all your discs operational (every time you recharge a Disc, there's about a 10% chance it just fizzles dead.)

>>51330249
Get a magic item of X/day Recharge.

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>>51330249
Follow-up with >>51330326. I recommend something like Megaman Legends: Building equipment from ancient scrap and charging them with refractor station, fighting off machines (reverbots) that remain as ghostly defenders.

What I'd give to have a Legends-styled game, man.

I was told that Broken Blade is a maneuver school thats considered OP in PoW, how is that so? Is there something I am missing from reading about it?

I usually dont pay much attention to it because i prefer using weapons

>>51330390
It's generally considered broken because there's a feat you can take that allows you to use any style with a weapon that you're normally not supposed to use with said style. This means that you could now use Broken Blade, a style that's primarily used for, you know, non-weapon using attacks, and use it with a two handed greatsword, boosting and flurrying with the damage that's normally supposed to be used with your fists.

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>>51330148
If the fighters and rangers aren't doing anything, then neither are the druids and witches.

Checkmate.

>>51330390
It is overtuned and allows tons of extra attack rolls at proportionally lower levels. In my games I just replace it with Fool's Errand.

>>51330130
Alright. If it's fine with the Inheritor, it's fine with me!

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>>51330390
>>51330441
Why take WGA when you can just use a sansetsukon or a WMH custom monk weapon?

WGA is totally unnecessary. Go pick up that sansetsukon.

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>>51330390
Look no further than this! https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/51158399/#51161791

>>51330390
You get +2 to damage so long as you're using a discipline weapon. Hit level 5. Get in your damage stance of choice (Pugilist's Stance works if you can't get anything else.) Initiate Steel Flurry Strike for three attacks, with -2 to hit, each dealing +3d6 damage. Add in Bronze Knuckle for +2d6 to each hit. Three attacks at an average +23 damage. And that's JUST with Broken Blade, and no other disciplines.

>>51330461
Not everyone allows custom weapons without proper explanation of what weapon you're making, senpai. If you could manage to convince my DM that there exists a monk weapon that could reasonably do 2d6 that doesn't already exist in the rulebooks I'd give you a medal.

>>51330502
Just use a sansetsukon if the WMH isn't allowed.

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>>51330461
If I have the feats to spare why use a sansetsukon?

It's totally unnecessary. I'll pick a F A L C A T A

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>>51330552
Sansetsukons are martial weapons bruh.

>>51330588
>If I have the feats to spare
If not I'd still pick a falchion.

>>51330623
Falchions aren't discipline weapons for broken blade, is the point. If you can't afford a feat for proficiencies or wga, you use the largest discipline weapon you're proficient with.

>>51330339
You can't BUY a solar panel.
The entire charge system was specifically, purposefully, piece-by-piece, designed explicitly to FUCK YOU UP THE ASS.

You know what a solar panel is considered?
A colossal artifact structure.
It's not a panel, it's a fucking solar farm.

Crafting a simple tech item? Requires a lab.
A lab is a colossal artifact structure.

AND it needs a massive amount of charges to run it.

Which means if it's not near a functioning generator (you know, the artifact) it won't run.

And some items might require two labs.

That's THREE artifacts.

>>51330249
You don't. There are three ways around this.
1) Call Weaponry and Rocket Launchers; they always come fully loaded and can't be recharged, so every use of call weaponry is a full launcher.

2) Warsoul Discipline Blade Shapes: Most of these weapons are firearms so you already qualify to generate them. They don't even hurt as much as regular firearms anyways past like level 4, and once shit has immunities and the archers have clustered shots, your elemental damage will be kinda laughable. If you want heavies you'll need Weapon Group Adaptation though. This only works with weapons.

3) You make it a robot. Robots have infinite power for their inbuilt tech systems. This is how you get not-weapons to work too. Yeah, a battery holds ten fucking charges and costs hundreds of GPs, but a half-brained semi-AI on an awakened rifle has an inbuilt power-source you're not normally otherwise allowed to ever have or use because generators are COLOSSAL FUCKING ARTIFACTS ONLY for players. Program your gun's AI well (like, "fire whenever you sense something pressing your trigger" at the very least) and make its sensory abilities very limited; only enough for you to interface with at close range.

As you'll notice, only the last option (oh look it's for full casters again) allows you to do this 1pp. Paizo may have failed to plug a few loopholes, but their intent was clear: "FUCK YOU, FUCK ALL OF YOU AND DIE"

>>51330695
Is it better to take WGA or use a sansetsukon then?

>>51330249
Psychic's have a Psi-Tech discipline that allows you to spend your pool for recharging. This is also available to Investigator (Psychic Detective).

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>>51330370
>What I'd give to have a Legends-styled game, man.
What I'd give to have a new Legends game

How do I make an interesting evil bard without using Dirge Bard? What would be some good motivations for them?

>>51330744
Given how quickly many items burn through charges, it's a bad deal. Even the wizard's recharge spell - I mean, it's a fucking wizard, they usually win the game right? Yeah even THEIR recharge spell is shit.

>>51330760
Cucking every member of the Court

>>51330760
Make a playwright who wants to write the perfect tragedy, and needs to take inspiration from real life.

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>>51330751
I do too, anon.

>>51330796
Of course in the end he turns out to write Springtime for Hitler, except with more dancing girls.

>>51330760
Best example would be Shakespear in Fate/Apocrypha. The world is his stage everyone else his actors. Combine that with a complete lack of empathy towards his "protagonists" and disregard for any "extras" that might get hurt and you got yourself a terrifying villain.

What age differences on lovers will Iomedae permit?

>>51331006
Zero. That they're not currently dying to sonic attacks on the abyss in her name is heresy, and she will strike them down for daring to feel good things.

>>51331006
Iomedae is slightly more lawful leaning than good leaning, therefore she will accept what ever is within the age of consent in the given nation.

>>51331092
>heroic, cute Paladin Goddess devoted to saving people
>more lawful than good

Shameful, Anon

>>51331121
>heroic
>cute
>cares about saving people

>>51331137
Inner Sea Gods > any other source for information about gods

>>51330796
So, he's Jhin?

>>51330441
>>51330448
>>51330472
>>51330501
Well then, I think I may take a look at it myself

If you were going to play a character with Divine Obedience (Lymnieris), how would you use the Undo Maturation ability?

>>51331151
Wrath of the Righteous > any other source for Iomedae actually acting in person.

The other stuff, the paladiny things, that's just her PR machine.

>>51331198
Ruin beer
Ruin cougars
Recover lolis
Technically milfs are unaffected

>>51331121
The only person she ever cared about was Aroden-Senpai, and as such she's always angry and grouchy due to eternal blue-ovaries from senpai never noticing her before he died

>>51330552
>>51330588

Unchained Monks get sansetsukon proficiency for free

>>51331224
>Unchained Monk
But you're more likely a ZS Warder traiting back into Broken Blade.

>>51331006

Brother, you are really trying to press this issue aren't you.

Give us the low-down on everything about this Tiefling girl you want your half-elf holy warrior to bone. Lay out all the details. Please, asking question after question just seems silly.

>>51331198
Which other obediences allow for silly/interesting shenanigans? Lantern King gives polymorph any object 1/day at level 11 if you've got the feysworn class, though how feymarked works is a weird mix of shenanigans and rock-falls-you-die-because-the-DM-says-so.

>>51331310
But if he doesn't ask separate questions, how will the thread be filled?

In that case I'll ask a different question so we can talk about something else. For instance, say I had a druid built who took the Drake Companion with the Fire subtype. What kind of feats am I allowed to give it and what are the rules for its breath weapon?

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Aegis with initiator soul | Empiricist Psyforensic Investigator seems really cool.

Would this be hard-boiled?

>>51331310
>Tiefling qt
>17 years old
>lives in Absalom
>Keleshite mercenary parents, no siblings
>loves playing the barbat and practicing swordplay
>hates crowds
>first met half-elf McCleric after he chanced to overhear her playing, and was entranced; he eventually called upon the masters of the home to compliment the gifted soul responsible for the music
>chaste contact ensued in the form of regular visits, and eventually swordplay
>now they want to get serious

Is 32 just too old, even with the slow development of half-elves? What would Iomedae think?

>>51331664
>Psyforensic

Huh?

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>>51331716

>17 year old Tiefling hooking up with a 32 year old Half-elf

Ooh, this is just all sorts of creepy! I love it!

>>51331716
>32

Half age plus 7.

>32/2 + 7 = 23

>>51331716
I'd estimate a 32 year-old Half-elf to be somewhere in their early 20's, either 20 or 22 or sumthin'. I think >>51331744 's on point.

How to make firearms not dumb?

>>51331734
What sorts of creepy? Does it bring dishonor upon the Inheritor's legions?

>>51331821
Intelligent Magic Muskets

Alright, two days away from the basement and my head is back in reality.

I just want a normal game of pathfinder where I can be a big damn hero. The lewd posting didn't drive those all away, did they? I can settle for one foot in adventure and one foot in weeby cuteness.

>>51331867
I like weeby cuteness but I don't like characters written just to lewd things and as extensions of their players' fetishes, can I join you?

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>>51331904
Why not join this?

https://app.roll20.net/lfg/listing/65518/a-fluffy-fairy-tale-2-electric-boogaloo

>>51331843
>What sorts of creepy?

Generally, you don't want to enter a serious relationship with someone more than 10 years older or younger than you - it's not only a matter of societal perception, but a matter of connection; imagine how many things someone born and raised in the 80s can discuss or agree with while dating a millennial.

>>51331919
'You can be a topless foxgirl and rub your tits on a cute wolfboy shota' is what I'm trying to avoid, anon.

>tfw spending days writing pages of house rules for a game you're not sure anyone would be interested in

>>51331979

someone born and raised in the 80s is a millennial lmao

>>51331986

Sorry friend, but the last ship has sailed from /pfg/'s gray havens with RotJR; the only available campaigns left is Fluffy 2, Sleeping Goddess (a high-powered "comfy lewd" game) and Wrath of the Raunchy, a "lewd" Wrath of the Righteous campaign.

>>51332007
I'm so glad someone beat me to pointing this out.

>>51331919
Already did

>>51331904
Only if you're okay with me writing my fetish into my characters when my fetish is cute girls struggling to deal with budding love while they have people to save, wrongs to right, and monsters to slay

Spoiled for lewdness, sorry. But hey, at least it's not waiting for the day her naivete or her hubris gets the best of her and so does that monster

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>>51332007
>>51332021

I may be an idiot, but you know what I'm trying to say dammit!

>>51332034

Millenial + Generation Z couple could talk about superheros, pixel platformers, 80s cartoon ranchises, and all kinds of stupid shit that keeps getting rehashed as fuck

>>51331979
Even if she's hauntingly cute?

>>51331867
Pendragon?

>>51332025
I really hate people like you.

>>51332025

>>51332096

Seconded.

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>>51332056

You can't live off member berries, anon.

>>51332013
>Wrath of the Raunchy

Where?

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This is how I synthesist

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>>51332096
>>51332104
What do you got against cute girls and romance?

>>51332149
Really? Because that's how I Henshin Hero.

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>>51332149
>>51332228
This is how I Synthesist

>>51332206
What makes you think that's what I hate, instead of you?

>>51332206

Absolutely nothing, but I despise it when you people wave it around this thread like it's pleasant conversation.

I'm not saying /pfg/ is like a dinner with the family - hell, it's more like a locker room talk with the lads after a couple drinks - but even then the tone of that kind of topic is really grating.

>>51332286
but ">muh disgusting vanilla fetish" is a pretty standard 4chan meme?

>>51332302

He didn't want a meme answer it seemed, you could've just said you wanted conventional romance among party members!

You don't whip out 4chan memes to a guy that is already annoyed by certain aspects of 4chan culture.

>>51332286
>implying being a judgemental prick is the height of pleasant conversation

>>51332344
I suppose.

But for reals though, I have a weird habit, according to my apps so far, of starting with just straight fap bait and then by the time I submit, there's nothing left of the fetishes except being a cute girl. It actually baffles me somewhat.

>>51331867

>Alright, two days away from the basement and my head is back in reality

Haha does this work? I mean it's a silly question but humor me. Would my friend be a less autistic, more sociable human creature if he got out of the basement? Haha

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>>51332025
Who's your character for Fluffy2?

>>51332432
It's not just that I'm out of the basement, I'm on a snowboarding vacation with my friends. So, fresh air, exercise, learning a new skill, drinking sociably, etc. etc. much healthier than languishing in a chair that smells like your own ass

I do hurt a lot though.

>>51332445
Why don't you just tell me which app is yours? No one ever wants to talk about my app except to sneer at it.

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>>51327848
Hell if I know, that was old art, I didn't commission it so I got no idea what they got there.

>>51331867
Revolution of Corkheel and Steel Ball mana Wastes are both high intensity adventure.

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>>51332531
I'm Nemone. Who's YOUR app?

>>51332531
I want to join fluffy tail because it seems like it'd support courtly politics. I however have no desire to be a furry or to erp.

>>51332777
You, me and Sohyon are the only ones that lurk these threads, Ozy

>>51332131
https://app.roll20.net/lfg/listing/66875/wrath-of-the-raunchy

>>51331867
How big a hero we talkin'?

>>51332812
Shhh....they can't know I'm here

>>51332877
One that needs a sword big enough to be a shield for the people behind her!

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>>51332877
I imagine he would be big only for some.

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>Spheres of Might is a thing now
>Magus still hasn't gotten spheres-specific Arcana

>>51332777
HAI

>>51333025
>Magus still hasn't gotten spheres-specific Arcana
Probably because it's hard to come up with something for the magus that needs to be restricted to the magus. Even that feat for magus' in Gear is also available to Warpriests - they're just no reason to make something magus specific.

>>51333086
Who?

>>51333093
Alchemist and rogue straight up jacked shit from other classes, so at this point I'd take the feat to patch CL for a single destruction group as an arcana, since it really should have had that anyway.

>>51329496
If the tiefling is a futa then yes, they are made to breed.

>>51333182
Well, there is a trait at least.

>>51333253
Futas are gay, you're gay, and I wish death upon you.

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What's the Golarion equivalent of Marijuana?

Why isn't revised action economy more popular? Seems great for martial characters.

>>51333323
Keif.

>>51333328
Because it means converting literally everything that uses the existing action system.

>>51333328

Everything has to be converted

Also it's shit

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>>51332812

I'm here, too! I've been wanting to post in character discussion, but it seems awkward to join in after so much conversation has already gone down.

I know it's silly, but the feat tax rules a bunch of games on /tg/ have been bothering me, even when I play martials, because it feels like I have to double-check everything. It would annoy me less if they were just like "you get ___, ___, and ___ as bonus feats automatically" instead of rearranging what feats do what and getting rid of some entirely.

>>51333516
I kind of agree, especially since there's quite a few feat tax rules so you have to check exactly which one is being used.

>>51333316
Fag

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>>51333503
Don't be afraid to post, Kagerou!

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>>51333516
The really dumb part about those free tax feats that get thrown around is:
1. Free Weapon Finesse.
2. Free Power Attack.
And then the GM usually says "lol yes they're allowed" to WMH custom weapons so you can make a finesseable two-handed monstrosity.

It's like, why even use Strength to attack if you're not a warder?

Those free feats were made for games WITHOUT PoW! They're kinda stupid for PoW games, it just makes initiators bullshit strong for no reason.

>>51333716
>dexfag back again

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Trying to come up with a dual-wield chakram build that's viable.

I'm thinking soulknife, but short of a DM houseruling I can form two chakrams despite it being a martial weapon, that doesn't fit into the dual-wield part.

Any suggestions?

So are there FCBs not listed on the PFSRD for classes like Mesmerist and Shaman?

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>>51333730
Strength and Dexterity are balanced just fine even with PoW.

Unless you're being a retard, giving everyone free Power Attack AND Weapon Finesse, and allowing WMH custom weapons.

Str should give bonus to hit, damage, saving throws, AC, skill points per level, initiative, spells per day, spell DCs tbqh

>>51333842
You forgot HP.

>>51333716
Strength does more damage and has more support to get your strength super high natively. Strength has a higher upper limit.

>>51333851
More muscles, more mass.

>>51333851
Why would a Wizard need HP?

>>51333876
Sneaky monsters.
Archers.
Other Wizards.

>>51333873
And that's fine, but the free house rule shit pushes Dex over the top.

>>51333876
When an enemy beats you in initiative and dimensional dervishes next to you.

You get full attacked and don't have the immediate action to EFS.

Any ways for an Oracle to get Dominate Person? I'm playing a Compulsion heavy Oracle. [Anying on the d20pfsrd is good]

>>51333961
>http://www.d20pfsrd.com/classes/base-classes/oracle/mysteries/paizo---oracle-mysteries/juju
>False Death (Su): Add charm person and dominate person to your spell list. You must select these spells using your allotment of spells known. Any creature under the effect of one of these spells or charm monster appears dead to any examiners. Although affected creatures do not detect as undead, they look pale and death-like while under the effects of your magic. Additionally, an affected creature ordered to lie still gains a +20 circumstance bonus on Disguise skill checks to look like a corpse.

>>51333892
No it doesn't, it just removes feat taxes. Strength is better for big hurts, period. You fail to realize that even with a two-handed weapon, deadly agility or the agile weapon quality only do 1x dex, not 1.5x.

Strength has a higher upper limit, gets 1.5x on two-handed attacks natively, and bonuses from power attack to top it off. Dex might be more point buy efficient, but it is certainly not stronger*

*except on magus, because they don't into two-handed weapons anyway.

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>When your players abuse Scry and Die, so you unleash the Hounds of Tindalos on them.

>>51333944
Not that anon but, question, is that dimensional feat line good?

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>>51333997
>When your players exist, so you unleash the Hounds of Tindalos on them.

>>51333997
My players tried to scry and die their enemy, then cried fowl when the enemy used one of the many scry and die defenses.

Scry most often does not actually give you enough information to teleport to the location. You need a clear idea of where you are going and the lay out (as defined by the teleport spell). If the location is not visually distinct you can't teleport to it, such as if the enemy is in the air, in somewhere featureless, or somewhere dark if you don't have dark vision.

Most of the time teleport gives you no clear idea of the location, only the lay out, which isn't enough. It isn't an or, it's an and.

>>51334037
It's feat heavy but pretty ok.

/pfg/, redpill me on DHB's campaign. Why is it bad? What's wrong with it.

>>51334111
>Why is it bad?
Witchhunter said so.
>What's wrong with it.
I like to be angry about things.

>>51333981
I am, fuckin blind apparently. Thanks!

>>51333989
Yeah, no, when you're giving Dex free shit and Str less free shit, Str gets the shit end of the deal.

>>51333716
>And then the GM usually says "lol yes they're allowed" to WMH custom weapons so you can make a finesseable two-handed monstrosity.

I don't know a single GM that would okay with a player making up a weapon when there's already dozens to choose from. That's an immediate red flag that that person is about to pull some shenanigans.

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>>51334275
RotJR GM blanket allowed WMH custom weapons.

>>51334301
How many people used those rules? How many of the accepted characters have a custom weapon?

>>51334363
Doesn't change the fact that the GM allowed them, blanket.

>>51334379
So none?

>>51334363
Like one, and it's essentially just a re-fluffed greatsword.

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>>51328473
>joining a game with 2hu in it

Why?

>>51334489
Just to spite you, because you're not in a game and never will be.

Loser.

Well I fucked up and thought Pendragon's applications closed on Sunday, not Saturday. I now have 44 minutes to create a character.

I am unsure I have enough time.

>>51334535
Get the basics down and ask the GM if he'll accept the sheet tomorrow afternoon; hopefully it's not that much of a deal.

>>51334489
Because it's better than being in a game with you.

>>51328473
The lack of Occult really hurts, I wanted to try Occultist a shot in that kind of game.

>>51334535
MY MAN!

GM Here, as I'm on the road, applications have been extended to Monday.

Get your sheet in! I want enough people to make 2 good teams! There are too many good apps not to!

>>51334565
May I have a link to Pendragon? Also, when would the games happen?

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>>51334557
Why not settle for a hexcrafter?

>>51334489
You mean DMing it?

>>51334610
I think 2hu is the DM?

>>51334604
>Hexcrafter Magus
>Being anywhere close to an Occultist in theme, mechanics, or party roll

Are you just retarded, or purposefully trolling?

>>51334601
Game time is flexible, but things are expected, but not guaranteed, for Saturday Evenings EST. That said, I'm open to holding Team 1 and Team A sessions on different days.

https://app.roll20.net/lfg/listing/65297/the-pendragon-institute

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>>51334619
Would you accept people using Spheres of Might preview content? It seems cool, I'm just big on PoW myself.

>>51334619
>Saturday
Damn, I've got two games that day already. Hope everyone who gets in has fun then, best of luck!

>>51334627
Sure, I dig Spheres.

>>51334619

Ive read the lore and whatnot like 5 times and I still have no idea what the game is about.

>>51334627
Why don't you like PoW?

Do you hate martials?

>>51334661
You ever watch RWBY?

It's about going to a college/trade school that teaches young adults how to fight horrific monsters that want to eat your soul

>>51334683

People who like martials hate PoW

>>51334619
I have two possible characters. If I am able to convince my friend to complete his character then we will be submitting a set of twins.

One a Fiendbound Marauder and the other a Void Prophet. One Hateborn and one Wanton.

The other possibility if I can not get my friend to join in is a previously Warframe Chevalier, now Homiform Gunsmoke Mystic (was gonna be a Aegis, but no Psionics). I can't think of something good for a Warframe user honestly.

>>51334689
I like both martials and PoW.

>>51334689
>People who like martials hate PoW

Since when? And why?

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>>51334557
Just be a psychometrist.

http://www.d20pfsrd.com/classes/base-classes/vigilante/archetypes/vigilante-archetypes---paizo-inc/psychometrist

>>51334696
The vast majority of Chevaliers who wear a Warframe tend to be Warders of some sort. Hell, a plurality of the entire race tends to be warders, defending people is what they were quite literally made to do.

>>51334736
Lack of 3rd-party means I'm stuck using a secret identity though!

... Then again, for Way of the Wicked, that might be good to have...

>>51334684

>spoiler
Nope.

I see. Interesting

>>51334748
I am thinking I may go the route of a heavy artillery platform warframe. Being a extreme heavy sniper seems interesting. Gunsmoke mystic may facilitate it a bit, but I had an old barbarian build knocking about called "My reach is long" that did a 800ft Javelin throw which was fun.

>>51334770
Oh man if I add in path of war and tempest gale I can get that over a 1000ft.

So many ideas. It's time for quarter mile javelin shots.

>>51334791
Don't forget the Stamina trick for Far Shot is to ignore all range penalties for 5 stamina.

>>51329862
Unchained Rogue.

>>51334816
Pshh, Warpriests get that for free just by choosing the Air Domain as one of their Blessings.

>>51334816
Right now I am leaning my barbarian build + primal disciple. Except I fucking can't add hurler in because they both replace fast movement. Also primal disciple doesn't have tempest gale.

Shit Primal Disciple is the worst initiating archetype.

>>51334877
There's a trait that lets you trade a discipline for any of your choice, ez tempest gale.

>>51334877
Recall that you can stack things with the mandatory archetypes that don't normally stack for Pendragon.

>>51334935
Oh yes they do. Awesome.

Quarter Mile Javelin shots are still a go. Tempest Gale does reduce ranged penalties but I can't find much for increasing range increment.

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>>51334736
>>51334755

Good news to you. Occultists are allowed.

However, you must be a melee occultist because the other three party members are a sorcerer, a wizard, and a ninja.

Battle host is recommended.
http://www.d20pfsrd.com/occult-adventures/occult-classes/occultist/archetypes/paizo-llc---occultist-archetypes/battle-host-occultist-archetype

Send a PM to the GM.
https://app.roll20.net/users/138519/diablojac

>>51334986
Oh man I need Solar Wind AND Tempest Gale. That's two traits down the drain.

>using unchained rage
Ah that's another issue. I don't particularly like unchained rage. Perhaps Gunsmoke mystic really is the way to go. I do like guns.

Making a character for a campaign. I'm an unchained monk with the sensei archetype. I didn't know drunken master was an archetype, I thought it was a feat. Is there anyway I can become a drunken master that isn't an archetype? Any 3rd party shits allowed.

>>51335058
Or what would be a balanced way to combine both archetypes? I could just make a drunken sensei archetype.

>>51335005
Are you the GM, or are you just exclaiming this as an idea?

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>>51335125

A player. A summoning occultist will also do, as long as the party has a front line.

So what PoW classes/archetypes are the best at ranged?

All I know are:
>Desperado
>Hawkguard
>Gunsmoke Mystic

>>51329818
When I read "secondary healer" I thought that he was going to have actual healing capabilities, not just ranks in heal.

Hm. In that case Kimberly may make slot 2, and then Ri and Jianshi are going to fight over slot 3 alongside the punchy fighty girls, and then 4th slot is anyone'd guess.

>>51335156
Even though the GM has stated that Occult classes aren't allowed?

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>>51335306

I have, in fact, spoken to the GM on this. An occultist will be allowed.

Send a PM via Roll20.

Considering advanced weapon training and advanced armor training, what are the best fighter archetypes these days?

>>51335361
So now Weapon Training is really something you don't want to give up, at least not all of. If you have at least a little armor and weapon training you qualify for the feats to get more.

Armor Training can be safely traded away for mutation warrior and lore warden.

Blackjack and Eldritch Guardian are decent and both only touch Bravery and bonus feats.

Border Defender lets you take the advanced armor training feat maybe? The wording is really odd.

Opportunist does some cool things but gives up weapon training I, however you get it later.

Tactician does a ton of neat stuff. It also retains most of Armor and Weapon training which qualify you for the advanced armor and weapon training feats.

>>51335436
>Eldritch Guardian

Is there a way to get a familiar that's an item rather than a creature?

>>51335361

You might want to consider Lightning Warrior

>>51335486
Not for a fighter, a witch can do that sorta as a mask an sorcerers can have tattoo familiars.

>>51335486
There's an Ioun Weird that is a construct familiar

>>51333944
>contingency activates and wizard nopes the fuck on outta there

How many tentacle attacks does a giant squid have? I read a bite, 2 arms, tentacles (no number).

>Get done writing down setting information
>Get done writing down all of your houserules
>Realize they're a mess
>Realize you don't know if you can pull this off anymore
>Never put an ad out

>>51335640
2 tentacles, 8 arms.

>>51335664

And how much damage does each arm and each tentacle?