/epg/ - Eclipse Phase General

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So would 2160s or 2200s be a more appropiate timeframe for a campaign where people want to know the actual year instead of a really vague "anywhere from 100 to 200 years in the future"?

>>51324775

I like the 2160 range myself. Past that sounds a little too weirdly far.

>>51324775
We used the seasons of Neptune to work out the year before actually. It's a little vague but should be in the ballpark of ~2130.

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Post typical day in habitats of various factions.

I will start
>just a typical day at Anarchist collective habitat.

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>>51325351

Jovian Republic.

Not included in this image is all the biohazard signs because they're dying of sepsis.

>>51325401
Way too bright and daylight for jovian tummels and habs, yeah?

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>>51325426

Well, they'd have to be lit by either a lighting element or endcap mirrors, I'm not sure they'd be dim.

>>51325401
Estas mentiras feas son despicables. La republica MUY limpia!

>>51325401
>Jovian habitats are indistinguishable from Earth environment
>Anarchists still stuck in tin cans

Come home true human.

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>>51325426
I believe this to be fitting representation of Jovian Habitat.

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>>51325401
Jovian outpost on Io

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>>51326272
Or part of a lunar dome city, really anyone's subsurface dome cities. The huge caverns make me think Lunar more than Jovian though. I saw the Jovian moon cities as being more and smaller bubbles rather than single large ones.

How do I Eclipse Phase

>>51326336
Read the source books. Take some classes in ethics, sociology and philosophy and then never play the game.

>>51326315

Yeah, Luna has expressly used advanced materials science and nano-scale manufacture to create, y'know, stunningly tall or otherwise impossible structures in their vast caverns, which the Jovians just wouldn't.

I said this last thread, but I imagine lower, more organized and spartan blocks of housing or commerce interspersed with regular "small" public spaces like >>51326272 or >>51325452

>>51326336
The way I did it was redpilling my IRL friends with transhumanism and other futurism stuff so they'd be somewhat informed and interested, then playing the game with them.

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>>51326336
Here's the primer

Nasically Earth was destroyed after super AI's were created and used transhuman tech against us. Then after killing 90% of humanity they disappeared, and no one knows what they're doing or where they went.

Also, this world is basically an episode of black mirror. I'm not kidding, they even have the reputation system from that "Nosedive" episode. And somehow the authors think this is just a wonderful place to be in. Anyways, moving on.

So you have different factions vying for power in outer space (cause Earth is still a hellhole filled will killer robots). You have the:

1) Planetary Consortium. Basically a corporatocracy entirely interested in profit. Also all their people are mutant transhuman freaks and robots.

2) Autonomists: Basically a bunch of anarchists, commies, and socialists with a penchant for terrorism and a no rules against researching dangerous tech. Also filled to the brim with mutant transhuman freaks and robots.

3) Lunar Lagrange Alliance: Somewhat resembles a functioning nation. Still filled to the brim with mutant transhuman freaks and robots though.

4) Morningstar Constellation: Basically a bunch of city-states. They're even more freaky than the other transhumanists, because many of them are literally animals given intelligence and then given mutant transhuman bodies. Also, the "uplifts" as the animals are called do nothing but complain about "racism" against them.

5) Jovian Republic: The only major faction dedicated to defending against the very real possibility of the rogue AI's returning, as well as defending what's left of humanity against transhumanity. They have the strongest fleet, and they go toe to toe with giant mutant monstrosities with just the body God gave them, their iron will, and latest tech that humanity has brought forth. They also happen to be the last remnent of Christian society. So basically, they are humanities last stand. Hoo rah and Deus Vult.

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>>51326380
If you want to see how Reagan cylinders really look like see attached.

>>51326562

What is this, a habitat for ants?

>>51326415

Jovewank: the post

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>>51326589
If you are TITAN, yes.

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>>51326613
>Jovewank: the post

t.Firewall

>>51326336

>>51326415
This list is trash, it doesn't even have all the factions.

From the sun to the outer rim, roughly in order:

1. Solarians. A bunch of weirdos who use really specialized morphs capable of living in the upper layers of the sun. They mostly produce solar research, art, and likely a shitload of antimatter to buy the natural resources they need (a lot of water for one).

2. Morningstar Constellation. They're a split off faction from the Planetary Consortium over differences in how Venus should be terraformed. They live in massive aerostat-cities in the Venusian atmosphere and orbitals. They're in a cold/meme war with the PC. Generally a more liberal PC with a lot invested in extrasolar exploration.

3. Lunar Lagrange Alliance. It's the lunar cities and most of the space habitats in earth's sphere of influence. They're the only faction with any real claim to earth's cultural past or national identities. They slumped pretty far after the fall thanks to the massive influx of physical refugees but a decade later are emerging into a strong power again. Freaked out by open nanotech and synth bodies, as a lot of them got killed by those things.

4. Planetary Consortium. The 800 pound gorilla of the factions. They're a huge sprawling trading consortium. Imagine Hansa except they're the closest thing to a superpower. Practice some weird things like consumer eugenics and indentured servitude. They don't really control many habs personally, but corporations and groups which are a part of them fill every part of the inner system. They're based around and strongest around Mars, the new homeworld after the loss of earth. Has trouble mobilizing it's true power because of it's for-profit military.

cont

>>51324580
Dem vagina bones.

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>>51326673
Where's Firewall, everyone's favorite "totally managing to fight exsurgent virus anarchists" faction?

>>51326589
Now I'm just picturing a colony of uplifted ants with robo-ant bodies to support their new consciousness' and give them even more proportional strength.

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I mentionned this in last thread but I kinda wanna get some comments.

I'm thinking about running an EP game set on Mars, about criminals, law enforcement, politicians and regular people just trying to survive and do good in a city rife with crime and corruption, but with their motivations clashing (or sometimes even cooperating) to disastrous ends. All while they occasionally have to team up to stop Exsurgents, Exhumans and fucking Ultimates (reeeeee) from blowing the whole thing up.

Like the Wire meets Delta Green or Global Frequency, on Mars.

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>>51326746
sounds nice

>>51325401
Jesus fuck that kid she's carrying looks like a 60 year old fat woman.

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>>51326743
>Now I'm just picturing a colony of uplifted ants with robo-ant bodies to support their new consciousness' and give them even more proportional strength.

Their birthright can't be denied any longer.


How would you uplift an ant though? Gestalt consciousness with each ant a neuron ?

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>>51326853
>Jesus fuck that kid she's carrying looks like a 60 year old fat woman.

That's how normal people look like.

>>51326862
Use molerats instead.

>>51326673
5. Tharsis League. On Mars' surface there are several massive city-states and they're joined together as the League. It's a mess of competing Consortium Martian and individual interests, but should not be underestimated, as they're one of the few post-fall powers to wage a real war.

6. Extropia. They're a mess of anarcho-capitalists mutualists, and some confused actual Extropists. Everything is legal and has a price on Extropia or it's colonies. It's the only place in the setting where Artificial Super Intelligences, Soul Traders, Pirates (digital and space variants), legitimate and "legitimate" businessmen and various state and pseudo-state actors can rub shoulders. Very dangerous without buying a good personal protection plan though.

7. The Jovian Republic. A bunch of security focused military Hard Men who vacuumed up as much talent as possible (The PC and Ultimates got more though) in the chaos of the fall. They're presiding over a bunch of hardline-bioconservative refugees in an only mostly fake republic. It's a weird place in part because their oppressive government is actually trying to moderate the populace. Heavily militarized and they possess the largest fleet in the setting. Like everyone else, they're fucked if the TITANs return.

8. Other Jovian Polities. Some Jovian moons have independent or semi-independent states from the Republic, like Europa and Callisto. The most important independent one is Hyoden, which is best described as a cosmopolitan transhuman state militarized to levels that make North Korea look pacifistic. Everyone has to do 6 years in the military before they can reproduce and fork and after that they either stay in or are assigned to a civilian militia.

Then there's the Trojan and Greek asteroids, which form the largest power bloc of anarcho-collectivists in the solar system. As a whole they're comparable to the Tharsis League, but spread out over a larger physical distance.

>>51324775
2130-2132

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>>51326885

>>51326673
>>51326908
I don't see why Jovians and Lunar Lagrange Alliance shouldn't be allied. They seem natural partners.

>>51326743
>>51326862

There's actually an experimental micro-hab on the surface of Luna with insect I assume they use off-site computing for the actual Egos since the game states several times that "small" (i/e size of a dog or a child or so) is the minimum size to actually house a cyberbrain.

>>51326981

Cultural baggage? LLA is mostly South and East Asia with a hint of some other regions like Europe or US, Jove is mostly South American with hints of North American leadership.

>>51327023
I don't believe this is correct, isn't there a heavy American presence in Lagrange orbitals?

Jovian Republic seems populated heavy by Americans too to me

>>51326673
>>51326908
You forget about the Titanians.

>>51326908
>>51327052
no I forgot my
>cont

9. Titanian Commonwealth. A statist giant around Saturn. They're the most powerful component of the Autonomist Alliance militarily. They're a big technosocialist and cyberdemocratic nation. That means everyone votes for what the state does and the state controls most everything, but somehow it works pretty well. Partially that's because they're taking in tons of infugees for the cheap labor with free bodies as a reward. There's a weird AI system called The Orchestra which controls information in the government, and might run the whole thing secretly. Their military and intelligence services are continuously pushing the envelope far enough that "posthuman killing machine" describes them pretty well.

There's a lot of other factions operating in the Saturnian system as well. iZulu and Kronos are both Extropian, while Salah is a booming muslim corporate hamilton cylinder. There's also Godwinshead which is fucking weird.

After Titan there's only one (and a half) large factions left: Ultimates.
The Ultimates are a bunch a warrior-monks descended from a brutally efficient pre-fall PMC called Ultimate Security. They want to push themselves, and the human mind to its limits to find and become the best ubermensch they can. They're divided as to whether the rest of the human race should be destroyed, pressed to join them, or simply left behind and forgotten. They might be planning an attempt to seize the means of extrasolar exploration for themselves. They're primarily based in Xiphos a large hamilton cylinder in Uranus orbit. The inner system Ultimate headquarters is Aspis, in the main belt, though this seems to be more of a corporate office as the Ultimates are still mercenaries.

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>>51327051

Not really, not that are actually in the LLA. You've got:

>Remembrance (Primary Languages: English, Hindi, Wu)
>Vo Nguyen (Primary Languages: French, Vietnamese)
>Erato (Primary Languages: Chinese, English) Explicitly noted as Sino-European origin
>Shackle (Primary Languages: English, Hindi) Started with Indian government and corps as primary interest
>The Colony (Primary Languages: Javanese)
>Feynman (Primary Languages: Arabic, English) An Omnicor station
>Korolev Shipyard (Primary Languages: Russian)
>Mare Vaporum Circumlunar People's Republic (Primary Languages: Cantonese, Mandarin)
>Tsukumo (Primary: Languages: Japanese) The Go-Nin HQ

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>>51326415
I know the thread you stole this from, you devious little /pol/lack

>>51327221
The deep outer system is a mess of small factions. There's experimental societies like Alpha Plus (everyone mentally modified to love their place in society), survivalist Brinkers in [LOCATION REDACTED], a pandora gate controlled by anarchists, and a lot of other weird things like artificial nanomechanical plants someone let loose.

This is also where a lot of in-system Exhumans hide out. Exhumans are hard to describe as they vary a lot, but in general they consider humanity to be a detrimental dead end and are trying to transcend it in order to better survive or thrive. This might mean radical intelligence augmentation, sleeving into super-predator morphs after stripping away your mercy and fear, or all kinds of stranger things. Solarians are pretty similar to Exhumans in a lot of ways. Generally, they aren't friendly to humanity, and often prey on them for sport or resources. They've been fighting the Ultimates outside of the solar system for a while. Considering recent history, they're right.

Finally, spread all over the system there's the Scum. They're an interesting mix of individualist tribe-like anarchists who are known for partying hard; combined with a shitload of technical knowledge and skills because they keep large fleets plying the space ways between habs. Fun to be around if you're uninhibited, and great to have in a pinch, because of those scrounging and technical skills.

>>51326981
They're only really similar because they like Reclamation of earth and have cultural tides. The LLA is precautionist technologically, but doesn't reject various transhuman technologies, which puts them on a very different footing that the republic. The SC and LLA Council could probably find common ground, but their respective populations would have problems with each other, like being soulless monsters.

>>51324580
so does this count as a handjob or a footjob?

>>51327221
There's also a number of other groups out there, like the exhumans - a bunch of crazies who left behind their humanity to become stronger and the Minervan fleet - a group of extremists who think the Jovians aren't going far enough and try to destroy as many transhuman stations as they can. But these are mostly minor groups and bogeymen rather than real factions.

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>>51327457

Yes.

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>>51327424
Don't forget the Minervans, who broke away form the Jovian's when they decided to take the determinist approach, has a fleet that probably has a currently hidden base around the outer reaches of the solar system, is bioconservative when it comes to their bodies but completely unrestrained when using external tech against transhumans, even going so far as to use async's and TITAN tech against transhumans. Currently the main fleet is building their strength up, while they have a group known as the SIS, consisting of about 20 men in 2-3 man groups, going around destroying transhuman settlements.

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>>51327615
> going around destroying transhuman settlements.

Argonauts are fucking next.

Can't fucking wait to see those smug fuckers blown into smithereens

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>>51327694
That's the Minervan fleet, yes?

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>>51327409
>I know the thread you stole this from, you devious little /pol/lack

Muahaha, my cover is blown, but know this, we are here.
Watching, observing, manipulating.

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>>51327720
I freaking love the Minervans man, they basically describe what my reaction to Fall would be to a T.

Plus they show, if nothing else, that being in a flat really isn't that much of a disadvantage, if 2 flats can destroy entire anarchist settlements by themselves.

>>51327424
>This is also where a lot of in-system Exhumans hide out. Exhumans are hard to describe as they vary a lot, but in general they consider humanity to be a detrimental dead end and are trying to transcend it in order to better survive or thrive. This might mean radical intelligence augmentation, sleeving into super-predator morphs after stripping away your mercy and fear, or all kinds of stranger things. Solarians are pretty similar to Exhumans in a lot of ways. Generally, they aren't friendly to humanity, and often prey on them for sport or resources.

If you have modified biological organism it is always good to rely on fall back if something goes wrong. In order to have new stock of things to improve on, if the last experiment failed.

Hence my belief that Exhumans could make a deal with bio-cons and help them dominate the system.

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>>51327763
It's okay, I'm on your side. Death to the soulless mutant transhuman freaks!

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>>51327805
Earth will be ours again!

Wow, Jove wasn't biocon enough?

Minervan posters are the fanbase's alt-right.

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>>51327850
I'll be honest, I don't see why the Ultimates don't attract that kind of crowd. They're basically everything the Jovians wish they were.

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>>51327492
>But these are mostly minor groups and bogeymen rather than real factions.

Yes, yes Anarchist-Man, the Minervans are powerless tools and bound to fail, because they cling to patriarchy and reject the true ideology of anarchism.

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>>51327850
The Minervans are about as biocon as the Jovians, they just have different goals and priorities. Here's a simple comparison.

Jovians- Our #1 enemy is the TITANs, and we must be willing to use transhuman technology if necessary to fight them

Minervans- Our #1 enemy is the transhumans, and we must be willing to use TITAN technology if necessary to fight them

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>>51327942
99% of morphs are splicers, so it should be easy to purge the rest.

Also X-risk mentions that most morphs are TITAN creations anyway, so it's not like you are killing any humans.

>>51327790
That's stupid though, because you don't roll back 10,000 versions.

>>51328038
>Also X-risk mentions that most morphs are TITAN creations anyway, so it's not like you are killing any humans.

Uh.

Where?

>>51328055
It doesn't, Jovian fans are just as allergic to reading the books as ever.

>>51328055
One of the dialog pop ups.
Most morphs have TITAN code in them that nobody is aware of(well at least Firewall thinks nobody knows).

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Know the difference.

>>51328075
yes it does.
I can even check the book if you are so far in denial.

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So who actually plays EP here?

>>51328080
>>51328109

>Most morphs have TITAN code

Not how that works.

You have an assertion, you prove it.

>>51328080
That makes sense. The Titans sabotaged a majority of human infrastructure and left traces, and people were forced to adapt TITAN technology to rebuild.

Doesn't mean that transhumans don't have thinking, feeling egoes and their morphs weren't designed and built by transhuman effort though.

It's like saying a human isn't human because they have trace amounts of beef in their bodies.

>>51328135
From my point of view transhumans are an x-risk

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>>51327720

>Argonauts are fucking next.

He says, just about as Argonauts is going to drop and will probably talk more about how the Medeans are really boss.

You're not going to out soldier or out-science the Soldier-Scientists.

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>>51328171
I bet you hate sand and have a bad feeling about this too.

>>51328180
>You're not going to out soldier or out-science the Soldier-Scientists.
Minervans are just going to sell them to TITANS.

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>>51328038
My main question is this, if you take away all the mods from a splicer do you end up with a flat? The higher aptitude maximums and game mechanics would suggest no, yet in the book it says this:
>The vast majority of Jovians (over 80%) retain their original bodies
Okay, so that makes it sound like 80% of Jovians are flats
>Many are genefixed (splicers), though some refuse out of religious objection
How much is "many"? Is it the other 20% More importantly, if you can't resleeve in the Jovian Republic, and you can refuse to change out of religious objection (meaning you're not a fetus at the time), then does that mean that flats can become splicers?

>>51328202
Sand can be cover for nano-machines,so yes.

>>51328113
I do

>>51328119
>>51328109
It's from the last page of the Morph Recognition Guide, not X-Risks, and is talking about how the TITANs targeted genetic sequences from morph-lines which had resistances to basilisk hacks. There's no information that any genetic code was inserted or edited, just that any corporation making morphs with certain genes "mysteriously" went out of business.

Of course none of that really matters now, because the TITANs aren't using those vulnerabilities anymore.

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>>51328113
No one. We just like talking about it.

>>51328207

Jovians actually have positive population growth from births, not just immigration, so that may be Flat parents have Flat children and don't upgrade.

>>51328207
>, if you can't resleeve in the Jovian Republic

You can resleeve in Jovian Republic.

>>51328205
Way to late, the Prometheans already bought them.

>>51328207
It's probably possible to adjust a morph's genotype with gene therapy, cybernetics and enhanced regeneration to speed up cell replacement in the body. Setting wouldn't be very transhumanist if the only way to upgrade is to upload and resleeve.

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>>51328135
>thinking, feeling egoes
Half of them have a computer for a brain.

Besides, it doesn't matter whether they can think or feel, what matters is if they have souls. And the answer to that question is no. They do not.

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How do you treat your fork, /epg/?

Hardmode: No NRX posters.

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>>51328252

Practically you probably couldn't, as angry mobs or the local KKK equivalent are known to burn them down and kill the technicians operating them. That doesn't lend itself to people who want to stay healthy, wealthy and wise.

>>51328282
Your dog doesn't have a soul anon. Why do you love it instead of butchering it and beating its puppies with its legs?

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>>51328252
It's heavily restricted though, you basically have to be a special ops soldier or someone really important (although backups and cortical stacks are allowed for a lot of people).

>>51328246
I'm pretty sure if 2 splicers or 2 exalts have a child it will be flat too though. After all, the mixture of two almost perfectly gened parents does not make the child some kind of ubermencsh superhuman too.

>>51326509

Also, REMINDER

Somebody get me a Minervan edit of this, since as is typical, the writers made a hostile parody of Battlestar Galactica as a possible antagonist in the game, everybody immediately wants to play them. I'm surprised you guys don't suck Singularity Seeker TITAN dick as much

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>>51328230
>Of course none of that really matters now, because the TITANs aren't using those vulnerabilities anymore.

You know, I know certain faction whose scientists created TITANS and which has the most expertise on studying their artifacts and creations.

I am pretty sure they wouldn't use such knowledge to their advantage.

>>51328230
I just dug through every mention of the word TITAN in X-Risks, and the closest I could find was the insinuation that the Hyper-Corps use salvaged TITAN tech. So this is probably what he's referring to.

>>51328324
No, because normal humans have recessive genes and you can get some of their negative qualities. Exalts have no negative qualities, unexpressed genes, or recessive genes.

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>>51328261
Promethean/Titan, what's the difference?
Both will end up under the boot of humanity.

>>51328324

>After all, the mixture of two almost perfectly gened parents does not make the child some kind of ubermencsh superhuman too.

I legitimately can't tell if you're being sarcastic or straight with me right now. This is the state /epg/ is in at this moment.

>>51326170
>not mussol.ini

>>51328368
Humanity is an illusion.

>>51328324
Splicers and splicers make Splicers.

Exalts and Exalts make Exalts, and most comparable genotypes make either Splicers or Exalts... although you might need some reproductive assist for rarer genetic types like Hyperbrights or Remades.

Also, there's no real ubermensch going on except for the Ultimates. Transhumans treat their bodies as a very essential piece of equipment, like a car or appartment, and pick them based on the performance benefits they give and what's in their price range at the time.

The only people who think they're superior are you.

>>51328389
Hibernoids make hibernoids apparently. So I'd assume mentons make mentons.

Can different morphs breed?

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>>51328328

>which has the most expertise on studying their artifacts and creations.

That's a claim I'm pretty sure there's no stats to prove as true for anybody.

>I am pretty sure they wouldn't use such knowledge to their advantage.

That's okay, somebody else is working on patching that out.

>>51328417
Most can, unless they're gimped. And even then you can buy the license and get your semen's DRM unlocked.

>>51328452
No I mean, could a menton mate with a bouncer? Would their offspring be a mule? Or would it be viable?

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>>51328312
My dog won't try to kill me for violating the NAP, and it was designed by God himself through natural evolution to be man's best friend.

My dog doesn't try to replace all his legs with mechanical versions and give himself 9 penises that can become erect with a button push.

My dog doesn't think I should throw away all my money and use the reputation system from that one Black Mirror episode.

My dog represents one of the last good things left in a transhumanist solar system, he is just a dog, no brain upgrades, no uplifting, he won't ever talk to me like a human would, and he's dumb compared to a human. But that's alright, he's happy, I'm happy, we're loyal to each other, and that is something that transhumanists with all their tech and philosophy can't replicate, the simple bond between man and his best friend.

>>51328328
Having some of the people who designed TITAN cores and saying they're qualified to understand basilisk hacks is like saying that having Thomas Seebeck is a big boon when trying to figure out how to bypass Google's account security features. Knowing how to build a TITAN does not imply any real knowledge of what they made.

Red Five Advanced Heuristics and the Argonauts likely know the most about basilisk hacks, even if the latter only knows a lot because Adrasteia told them.

It feels just a little weird to be helping Google's machine learning algorithm by posting this.

>>51328282
Your brain is a computer.

>>51328481
>are you ready for Roko's Basilisk?

>>51328417

>Can different morphs breed?

Literally? Probably - we're all still inside the same species range even if people are still sub-speciating.

Practically? We've had this discussion before, intermixing will probably be okay (though not inherently optimized) for a generation or two - but you blend enough naturally you might get some weird trait expression from multiple geneline variance which could cause something resembling modern genetic disorders.

>>51328467

>Would their offspring be a mule? Or would it be viable?

Unless mandated by some aggressive GRM, should probably be fine. You might not legally own the genes in your reproductive system but the system should work - again, unless there's some kind of combinatory error down the road.

>>51328478
So where was God during the fall?

Checkmate, liberals.

>>51328493
When will this meme end?

>>51328481

>It feels just a little weird to be helping Google's machine learning algorithm by posting this.

Well, IRL JASON apparently is saying people are exaggerating the existential risk of AI as they continue Artificial Generalized Intelligence research, so.

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>>51328478
THIS.
GOD IS GOD.

All unholy creations made by the satanic trans-trash will be purged in holy fire of the very Sun itself.
>tfw Rape Ape opening min-pandora gate to the Sun in Argonauts HQ

>>51328540
>>51328481

http://motherboard.vice.com/read/elite-scientists-have-told-the-pentagon-that-ai-wont-threaten-humanity

>>51328539
What is it then?

>>51328571
>http://motherboard.vice.com/read/elite-scientists-have-told-the-pentagon-that-ai-wont-threaten-humanity

Yeah, I bet they said that, fucking traitors.

They probably hope to be governors of whole continents after machines take over or are already wired to some control processor.

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>>51328526
Saving us from ourselves, as usual. He's not the reason we were almost wiped out, he's not the one who devastated the Earth, that's our doing. But through God's grace, he gave us a refuge in the Jovian's and Minervan's, and we will repay his kindness by wiping out the unnatural abominations that plague his creation.

>>51328624
Shouldn't you be a neo-primitivist?

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Some people really are into roleplaying.

You guys should start a game on Roll20 or something.

>>51328604
I don't know, we don't know, we don't fully understand the brain yet. Once we do, if the brain and a computer are no different, then by all means say the are the same. But until then you're just looking at equal outcomes and assuming the methods and processes by which that outcome happens are the same.

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>>51328624
Yes, this is a trial, and once unholy abominations shall be purged from Domain of Man, God's will shall lead us to retake Earth and Mars, remaking them into Gardens of Eden.

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>>51328668
>>51328624

Wrong script, guys.

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>>51328635
Mankind has always been a tool user, from the moment God put us on the Earth he intended for us to use tools to improve our lives. It is natural for us to improve the tools we use, whether we move from plows to tractors, or swords to guns. But when we try to take God's place, when we change our bodies because we think we can do better, or create artificial intelligences to do the work God has intended us to do, bad things are bound to result.

>>51328740
>from the moment God put us on the Earth he intended for us to use tools to improve our lives

No, he intended for you to live simple lives in the Garden. Lucifer gave us knowledge to use tools.

>>51328764

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zoBm29LVQBg

>>51327720
>>51327805
>>51327834
>>51327897
>>51328038
>>51328171
>>51328282
>>51328328
>>51328368
>>51328478
>>51328624
>>51328668
>>51328740

Ah shit, I guess my team forgot to wipe out the Knight Templar exsurgent strain and it got into the bathwater over around Minerva. Sorry guys, we really did our best to keep that outbreak contained.

Symptoms may include: fanatical religiosity, groupthink, increased ability to develop combat-oriented motorskills and a belief in one's own strain of transhumanity to be the only true one.

Guess this is what happens when it gets into flats...

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>>51328764
Genesis 2:15
"The Lord God took the man and put him in the Garden of Eden to work it and take care of it."

We are the caretakers of God's creation. Unfortunately, there is currently a bit of a pest problem. We'll take care of it just like we'll crush the head of that dastardly snake.

>>51328839
That has nothing to do with tools. Maybe improvised tools when you accidentally figure them out in the moment, but without Knowledge you're never really going to be able to make anything.

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>>51328829
>Ah shit, I guess my team forgot to wipe out the Knight Templar exsurgent strain and it got into the bathwater over around Minerva. Sorry guys, we really did our best to keep that outbreak contained.


t.pic related

>>51328868
Did I just get basilisk hacked?

>>51328868

Yeah, because multi-eye dog rams are an ideal shape to accomplish anything.

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>>51328879

Maybe, anon.

Open this image for your free sample of anti-basilisk vaccine immediately!

>>51328883
>Yeah, because multi-eye dog rams are an ideal shape to accomplish anything.

Tell that to Firewall, not to me.

>>51328207
I can't imagine some time in a special healing vat with the right stuff punched in couldn't make a Flat into a Splicer. They can make exhuman monsters out there, surely such a small jump is possible.

>>51328897
Oh God, Oh God, I don't know what to do now, Oh God.

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>>51328866
Did God not give us the clothes once we we're kicked out of the garden? Did he not command us to put others to the sword, a human made tool? Has he not commanded us to build walls, or sail between places? God has been fine with us using tools for a long time now, if not from the beginning.

>>51328919
You made them to hide your shame.

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>>51328897
I think I just became a Seed AI.

What sort of colossal fuck-head plays a game based on Transhumanism and goes all in rejecting nearly every aspect of it?

Especially when the enemies of all humanity are not at all bound by those pretty-ass limitations.

>>51328897
>Open this image for your free sample of anti-basilisk vaccine immediately!

At last I truly see. ALL FLESH MUST BE FLAYED.

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>>51328941
Something we will be doing until God's return, for we now look at each other with lust in our eyes and sin in our hearts. But until our Lord returns we can clear away the filth and aberrations that call his dominion their home.

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>>51328984
Contrarians.

>>51328984
>What sort of colossal fuck-head plays a game based on Transhumanism and goes all in rejecting nearly every aspect of it?

>Humanity pursues Transhumanism
Fall happens
>Gee guys why aren't you turning yourself into inhuman Gorrilla-Fish and releasing Seed AI's into the world?

>>51329010
>Step on a thorn
>Better cut off my legs

Put on a shoe you idiot.

>>51329026
>make a shoe out of thorns
>hurt yourself
>try to make shoe out of nails

>>51329042
Actually, more appropriately,

>become a nail

>>51329042
>make a thorn out of feet
>looks gross
>better chop off everyone's feet!

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>>51328984
The game actually becomes pretty interesting, albeit Dark Souls levels of difficult, if you reject the transhumanism.

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>>51329042

>>51329068

Nah, the game is already Dark Souls. Rejecting transhumanism is like, hardcore mode roguelike. If you fail you need to start all over again from the beginning.

>>51329068
that's actually a good selling line.

>>51329056
>>51329042

As opposed to the Minervans and Jovians, who scavenge nails, put them in guns and shoot them at people they don't like.

>>51329082
No, it just uninstalls and melts down your computer after performing fraudulent transactions with all your money.

>>51329056
this t b h being a Artificial Super Nail is pretty cash

>>51329102
>stop using nails
>sniff glue
>enjoy private life in space asteroid mining with a small ad-hoc family

I'm pretty happy. Why aren't you, Minervan poster?

>>51329102
You can't shoot a nail with a nail, you just make a bigger nail.

Or worse, a nail holding a nail.

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>>51329129
>>51329176

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>>51329129
>>enjoy private life in space asteroid mining with a small ad-hoc family


pic attached anon's family.

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>>51329261
Hey man, I'm just living in seclusion and enjoying the rewards of manual labor and problem-solving day to day. If you're going to get all hostile and try to kill me, I guess I have no choice but to send my production towards groups who can counter your violence.

Must be nice to Melian Dialogue the whole solar system while you let the real X-Risks fester.

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>>51329261
I have no idea what's going on in that picture. Are those two guys in the back on his side, are they holding him hostage, why is he holding his head like that, WTF is in his head and why would a Jovian have that transhuman filth inside them?

>>51329010
What actually happened
>Humanity develops transhuman tech
>Biocon fuckheads on Earth say it's okay to use transhuman tech on everything except yourself
Fall happens, 95% of people die
>HEY GUYS IT WON'T HAPPEN AGAIN IF WE DON'T USE THE TRANSHUMAN TECH FOR OUR BODIES BUT WE DO FOR EVERYTHING ELSE

>>51329386

Nailgun.

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>>51328289
>How do you treat your fork, /epg/?

I wouldn't make one, but supposing I did I would try to interact as little as possible with it, and he'd feel the same way about me.

>Hardmode: No NRX posters.

What?

>>51329420
>NRX: neo-reactionaries

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>>51328289
I'd put them in soulless abominations and use them as suicide bombers.

>>51329386
The SIS keeps some Asyncs caged up, and jab them with sticks before dumping them on the front lines.

It usually ends badly for them, but Jovians are a little slow on the uptake, so they keep doing it.

>>51329386
What happens is he's basically an expendable human equivalent of an attack dog. With psychic powers and a gun.

Fun fact: neither him, nor the guards, nor the guards'superiors, have no idea how his powers or the gun work. They put an explosive collar on him and call it precautionism.

Actual GM question. How do you guys feel about the Dominant Strain trait for Asyncs?

It swaps the infection penalty for a resistance bonus, and it's cheap, but whenever you successfully defend against infection you get a temporary derangement.

Overpowered? Asyncs seem shat on a lot by the mechanics, so it seems like a CP tax if you want to play an async.

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>>51329458
SIS aren't Jovians, and the asyncs while a bit of a gamble are sometimes well worth the risk. It's kind of like using a plasma weapon in 40k, sure there's a chance it blows up in your face, but at least it's almost guaranteed to take out the enemy as well.

>>51329498

I think it's fair. Never really seen it taken, but it's one of many async only trait options out there, several of which are pretty low on CP so they fit good together.

It changes one weakness for another. You're resistant to different vectors now, but you WILL go a little crazy from it - which is a departure because ironically high-level asyncs are usually the most stable people on the team, even with -1 TT.

>>51329510

"Freaks" are also literally carrying exotic TITAN energy weapons they don't understand and may have failsafed.

>>51329510
Pyhrric victory isn't a strategy to be proud of. It's a consolation prize at best.

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>>51329554
Sure, but they don't use them constantly. War is all about efficiency. If I can trade two men and an async for an enemy dreadnought, then by all means I will do so. But that doesn't mean I throw them into every situation.

>>51329510
>It's kind of like using a plasma weapon in 40k
Except you're lucky if it only exploeds. On a bad day the plasma gun rapes your mind and makes you its soulless slave.

>>51327729
>Filename.png

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Hey guys, I'm a new player to both the setting and the system. Where the hell do I begin? I read a little bit of it on the 1d4chan article but that's about it. I come from a group that likes to play shit like Traveller and what not. What is this game like compared to the likes of Traveller? Which books are the best to read up on and to use for running a game?

>>51329595
Using TITAN's leftover brain pick #2137 isn't efficiency, it's being a delusional genetrash.

>>51329655
If your group likes Traveler, I'd recommend you check out Gatecrashing.

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>>51329627
The book says that the psychosurgery the Minervans put the freaks through makes them easily influenced, so while they may wig out one day they aren't completely uncontrolled like a lot of the posters here are suggesting. The Minervan's aren't going to be throwing away their men away for no reason when they have 20 badasses running around capable of handling most threats at the moment.

>>51329685
Asyncs are exsurgents, and no amount of psychosurgery is going to change that. Flat out no one knows how Watts-Macleod works, and certainly it's not the Jovian "scientists" who have their COG capped at 30 for the next billion years nature needs to have their brains evolve to AF 10 level.

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>>51329757
The Minervans don't need to know how Watts-Mcleod works, they just need to know how to make the people who wield its power subservient, and how to get them to blow stuff up, which they have mostly managed to do.

Literally who are the Minervans?

Did someone make a fanon OC nation?

>>51329791
And if the exsurgents have already subverted them and are just letting them do this whole psychosurgery dance to kill them into a false sense of security?

>>51329791
>hubris
>and also

>hubris

Minervans are going places.

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>>51329829
That'd be an extremely complicated plan for a bunch of isolated crazy psychosurgically altered and tortured async's to coordinate, and they'd have to do it without being killed by the Minervan guards, explosive collars, and whatever enemy the Minervans had them fighting at the time.

>>51329883
The asyncs aren't coordinating anything. The exsurgency is calling the shots now.

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>>51329814

https://eclipse-phase.wikispaces.com/The+Minervan+Fleet+And+SIS

Also read >>51327615

>>51329791
All it's going to do for them in the long run is blow up in their faces sooner or later. You can mindrape them all you want, but an exsurgent will never be yours, it's the ETI's, forever.

Minervans are a joke, and the fact that they're willing to use space cthulhu's pawns for war speaks volumes of their desperation.

>>51329883
You mean those people with straight up magic and shit like telepathy?

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>>51329904
You could say the same thing about all of the transhumanism going on, from the increase of AI usage to the nanoswarms to the usage of cyberbrains. It's all dangerous tech to use, but it also gives you an advantage against other transhumans, so you need to weight the risks.

>>51329814

They're a group added in X-Risks as a possible threat organization. Like Jovians, but all batshit. Very thinly veiled call on the new BSG.

They are one group among many out there who would meet the X-Risk categorization, including new material on "Other" groups like Red Five, Green Death, Haunted Stars and the Sybils.

>>51329814
Reverse Rortians.

>>51327615
>>51329898
>destroying transhuman settlements

Jesus.

I guess you need someone to rally the Anarkiddos against besides a distant, incomprehensible capitalism.

Do biocons eat GMOs?

>>51329678
How is character creation in Eclipse Phase like compared to the system in Traveller? Me and my players enjoy the character creation in Traveller because it is both simple and in-depth allowing for a lot of leg room.

>>51329989
It's kind of a mess.

>>51324775
Even with the 2100 year, I kinda like it being before the 22nd century - for all its weird ideas, EP still seems a little too "modern transhumans dreaming up tech while constrained by modern day trends" kinda deal.

>>51329989

EP has a couple different systems for CC, which usually fit those bills. The classic 1000 point method (most of which is mandated on skills) is very open and fiddly, but if you don't like tallying up big numbers there's a Package system which involves smaller increments and is more guided if you're unsure about skill/trait options.

Oh, and there is a random Life Path system. And you can die on it. Usually you get better.

>>51329983
Sure, why not.

>>51330005
Holy fuck I just looked at the PDFs, it is a fucking mess. Where the hell do I start with this clusterfuck of a book?

Can someone explain the Rortians to me? Who are they, where are they, how did they come about, and how dangerous are they? What makes them the reverse of Minervans?

>>51328478
>designed by God himself through natural evolution
Modern dogs are the result of hundreds of generations of human-guided eugenics.

>>51330033

You start at the beginning "A Time of Eclipse" and go from there.

>>51329451
>neo-reactionaries

That's completely retarded. Even dumber than 'neo-classical'

>>51330036
They're expansionistic fused-mind Exhumans who exclusively use advanced synthmorphs. Their goals are to unify Transhumanity into their combined mind by force if need be. They're fighting an extrasolar war against colonists, and especially Ultimates.

>>51329989
There's three ways to do it:

1. 1000 point point buy. Gets you exactly what you want, but if you don't know exactly what that is it's a huge pain to use.

2. A package system that's probably the most accessible. (Transhuman)

3. A life path system that makes interesting characters who are tied to the setting, but can result in strange or unbalanced characters. Probably most similar to Traveller's system.

>>51330033
The core book? I'd start with the setting section and move onto the gear or combat chapter. It's easier to make character decisions if you've got a better idea of what you're going into IMO.

>>51329947
>increase of AI usage
You mean decrease? Read the fucking core book.
>nanoswarms
Nano is more or less indispensable, face it. TITANs' gonna fuck you anyway, and it's the best way to combat everyone else's nanos. No nanos=you get eaten by nanos, simple.
>usage of cyberbrains
How else am I gonna get my indentured plebs?
>dangerous tech to use
Which makes it equivalent to toys stolen from the TITANs and ETI? That shit is not weighting the risk, it's being batshit crazy.

>>51329627
So it's like a vortex grenade, then.

>>51330096
But real people describe themselves that way.

>>51330036
I think they're like Transmetropolitan's Farsight enclave or basically the worst stereotypes of transhuman technological progress - if you're not constantly upgrading yourself, you're obsolete and to be left behind in the dust, pruned like dead flower heads.And their tech moves so fast, you're going to be obsolete at some point, and if you don't agree you shouldn't replace your brain and ego with a swarming nanite/fungi process networked through fractals or whatever, you're obsolete and must be destroyed.

>>51326746
GM anon here. I'm actually looking for players.

Is /epg/ the wrong place? I see a lot of Minervaposting.

>>51330164
No one here has ever played the game.

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>>51330115
>You mean decrease? Read the fucking core book.
>reads about AGI's, ASI's, and cyberbrains being used
If you're talking about directly after the fall, then of course there's going to be less AI right after we just had an AI robot war, but that doesn't mean AGI's and ASI's aren't still being used, or that people aren't plugging themselves into cyberbrains, or that all it takes is one anarchist to develop an ASI that gets infected and they are screwed.

>Nano is more or less indispensable, face it. TITANs' gonna fuck you anyway, and it's the best way to combat everyone else's nanos. No nanos=you get eaten by nanos, simple.
Same logic applies to asyncs and TITAN tech. We may get screwed, but our enemies refuse to use the tech so they're especially screwed.

>How else am I gonna get my indentured plebs?
Go fork yourself.

>>51330135
I figure in a hundred years or so we're gonna have a group calling themselves neo-neo-reactionaries, and they'll be getting all riled up about how god didn't mean humans to overclock their brains above 49x baseline thinking speed.

>>51330164

I mean, don't feel free to aggressively screen. I haven't necessarily heard a lot of success stories but you can poll from here sure. Ignore douches who unironically Minervapost, just like you would a guy who wants to play a futafurry or an exhuman cannibal for no reason.

Don't listen to memes like >>51330183 that's just a joke we say because finding steady groups is hard.

>>51330214
What if the reason is I enjoy it?

>>51330222

Negation is very amusing yes, but it's just pointless and disruptive in more game scenarios. It's like running a Star Wars game and that one asshole who insists on playing a dark jedi for the edge, or that guy who always plays Neutral Evil in D&D when everybody else is some kind of good.

You want to play games your way, find people and run them, nobody has an obligation to make it the way you want. Or more productive, go back to shitposting on /epg/ and jerking off at the same time, you'll have more luck that way.

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How cute is your PC /epg/?

Is it possible to go above Striking Looks 2?

>>51330214
I'll definitely be vetting any players I get from the post-2000's 4chan, even /tg/, although I'm hoping to keep an open mind. My past experiences with EP players have been overwhelmingly positive to needy idiots, to flaky losers who run off suddenly because they can't make the time commitment, to literally /epg/'s snakedick boogeyman.

>>51330096
For the most part they're /pol/ except they don't want to be associated with Nazis.

>>51330268

We have a snakedick boogeyman?

Can I get some of those guys right now - it'd be a nice change of pace.

>Is it possible to go above Striking Looks 2?

RAW, no. Which makes sense - it's like Limber 2. There have to be physical limits on how unique and appealing you can make a morph. Once you're as flexible as an octopus, where do you go from there?

>>51330331
The name is forbidden. Some say he is a shadow...

>>51330349

I think he'd just have some kind of seizure and pass out from all the sheer lack of
>REMOVE JOVE
going on right now.

>>51330349
THE SHADOW!

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Fuck Minervans and Rortians. Post Ultimates.

>>51330187
>reads about AGI's, ASI's being used
Oh, so you're incapable of reading comprehension. Core rulebook, page 48, Attitudes Toward AGIs.
>b-but muh anarchists
Yeah, right, the anarchists. They're tiny as fuck compared to everyone else.

>cyberbrains
Though easy to control(as if that were a drawback), cyberbrains are actually necessary because without them transhumanity as a whole would be 400 million people or so short on manpower, and would be forced to rely on AI even more. You said earlier you're into tradeoffs, well here's one.

>all it takes is one anarchist to develop an ASI that gets infected and they are screwed.
You know there's extreme prejudice basically everywhere in the system about amassing processing power needed to do that, and that panopticon is actually a thing? There's like a dozen conspiracies set up to watch for just that sort of thing.

>Same logic applies to asyncs and TITAN tech
No it doesn't, because contrary to these, with transhuman nanotech the transhumans actually do have a scientific grasp of how the fuck it works at all.

>Go fork yourself
Great idea, but I'd have to psychosurgerize the fork into being an obedient bore, it's much easier to just grab that stack of an earthling who believed Earth's biocon government. They're lying all around anyway, that's all that's left of them. Why not use it?

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>>51330417
Fuck statists, post anarchists.

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>>51330417
>>51330582
Sounds like you both need long range high velocity love taps. Rorties stronk

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>>51330582
Since when is an Ultimate a statist?

>>51330678
I dig the Rortians, but I have to disagree. I don't think neural pruning your entire civilization into incapability for independent thought and then putting them all on a hard drive inside a huge robot is a particularly optimal survival strategy in a universe where shit can be, like, hacked.

And I don't think you get transhumanism for that matter.

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>>51330268
All this technology and we still haven't made anime real. You transhumans are trash.

>>51330772
Collectively they have independent thought though.

And, you can't hack them because they have super redundancy.

>>51330618
Golden

>>51330819
That might make it harder, but saying it makes it impossible is a bit of a stretch.

And unless they figure out a way to make brand new egos from scratch, they have to multiply by copying themselves. Meaning they all share the same flaws, limitations and vulnerabilities.

>>51330135
Why would that matter? Retarded things don't stop being retarded just because lots of people do them.

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>>51330798
Because we aren't filthy degenerate weaabs.

>>51330894
B-but it's the alt-right. They're not into identity politics or a-anything.

J-just call them by their preferred ideological demonym.

>>51330907
>Battletech
>not weaboo

Choose one. You have designs by Studio Nue and literally Aryan Chinese Soviet Space Samurai.

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>>51330907
It doesn't get much more weeaboo than giant robots.

Also the fact that your ideal future is free of anime just makes transhumanism even more ridiculous.

>>51330930
Meh it was just to illustrate the humorous point that a good portion of /tg/ hates weaboos, Also I just think that the photo is funny.

>>51330968
Do they though? Does a good portion of any of 4chan hate anime? Or perhaps it is just an overly opinionated vocal minority who can't help but express their distaste at people having other opinions. Probably the same kind of people who flip out at the thought of people not liking the anarchists or Firewall.

>>51330772
Individual minds in a Rorty collective are capable of independent thought, but Rorties like personal independence so long as it doesn't hurt the survival chances of the community. They've actually got their own internal hierarchy, they just prune out mental traits they consider counterproductive to survival.

This is from the narrative section on page 125 of Gatecrashing, for the citation autists here.

Hacking cyberbrains is only a problem if you slut your ports up to the open mesh.

>>51330798
They made anime real in BF 24

>>51331016
>Probably the same kind of people who flip out at the thought of people not liking the anarchists or Firewall
Or people who flip out at the thought of people not liking Jove, amirite?

>>51331016
Do people really flip out over that?

>>51331016
In my time on /tg/ I've found that a good portion of the people here has a dislike for anime, but mostly for the tropy kind that has big giant swords and lolis. It's more like a gradient, and the folks here tend to prefer more Western feeling story telling in their anime with less big boobed small girls and weird looking non-practical weapons. You know how /tg/ can get with "muh realism".

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>>51331106
Yeah, if someone flips out at people not liking Jove, they are just as bad as people who flip out at someone liking Jove.

We have been given a game where numerous ideologies are represented, if you have beliefs about the transhumanism and economy and government then there is likely a group out there that fits your beliefs. We should be able to have a civil discussion (and occasional shitposting) about the merits of each group and which one is the best.

>>51331042
I suppose you're talking about this:
>In any case, the leaders of the community had no actual objection to individuality;
And in that respect you're correct. I take issue with what follows though:
>they simply could not permit any personality quirks which might diminish the survival chances of the group, which were in turn assumed to be directly proportional to fighting efficiency.
If you optimize them for a single(albeit complex)task, sooner or later you'll have to resort to minmaxing and making tradeoffs in order to optimize what you conceitedly assume to be the ultimate survival strategy. And optimization at that thing you will surely get - at the cost of everything else. It's hyperspecialization, which is an evolutionary dead end.

>>51331193
Ultimates are best though. It's right there in the name.

Contreras schlicks to a poster of Manu that she has hanging in her bedroom.

>>51331240
I would imagine the collective as a whole has a very wide range of skills and viewpoints, even though any given individual mind is highly truncated.

>>51331240
You're being dumb. An ego in the Rortians is a cell or organ to us. Your heart being hyper specialized to pump blood isn't an evolutionary dead end is it?

>>51324580
What the fuck is that salamander man supposed to be?

>>51331193
I completely agree. But what we're having is sparse civil discussion and more people just shouting memes at each other. I don't really get a vibe from most of the posts here that their authors are keen on discussing things, mostly just chest thumping and proclamining faction X is the best and everyone else can go fuck themselves.

And I don't even mind that, I mean, everyone's entitled to their opinion. But there seems to be little willingness to actually engage with other people's points

>>51331325
I also would very much like to know the answer to anon's question.

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>>51331349
Truthfully, I don't trust anyone who posts here. So I don't bother having discussion about politics.

Philosophy and science? That I'll discuss in an articulate way. But politics? Absolutely not. Especially when there's so much spin and anti-spin around this game.

So instead I just shitpost.

>>51324775
2500s for me.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WhNM2K8cmU8

>>51331240
That is the section I'm thinking of yeah

I think the combat efficiency optimization is for the collective as a whole, with egos filling appropriate rolls with some cross training. That's why there's that section about some egos routinely volunteering for mining duties, presumably because they're skill miners. That's the tail for tooth part of the Rorty collective our POV Ultimate is probably in. I'm guessing that in order to optimize efficiency each Rorty collective is basically a Military Industrial Complex in a box. (or Dreadnought).

>>51331288
I don't think that's quite true though, egos in the collective seem to have at least some individuality, they're just merged enough that they can seamlessly share experiences and memory, sort of like the Synergist Hypermesh. The difference is that they're altered to have strong loyalties to the group, and work for it's best interests- combat and survival.

>>51331349
I'm fine with people saying their faction is best, I'm fine with people posting memes and shitposting. It's all in good fun. Where I draw the line is when someone implies that someone else is objectively wrong, or that they shouldn't play the game, or they should stay out of the thread.

>>51331281
>>51331288
That's not really the vibe I got out of the passage(I think you're filling in a few blanks here), but when put that way yeah, the concept is certainly more viable.

Since we're on the topic of Rortians, what do people thing of how they're depicted in that gate war campaign everyone's surely read by now?

>>51331415
It was a crude metaphor, but I think it articulates the point well enough. Single members of a Rortian collective are pruned and shaped to be really very specialized by a normal Transhuman perspective, but that works relatively alright because within a single Rortian morph or network each individual isn't meant to act outside of their specialization. They're still individuals, but individuals working as part of a whole. Each one is just a piece of a larger system.

>>51331325
>>51331367
Critter morph or [Low] cost cosmetic mods.

>>51331397
What do you make of the fact that a lot of politics in EP revolves around philosophy and science?

>>51331443
>someone implies that someone else is objectively wrong
Wouldn't you consider claims about the setting that are contrary to, or the misrepresentations of, the book content, to be objectively wrong though?

>>51331458
What gate war campaign?

>>51331681
People are generally willing to have more open and less dogmatic discussion when it's divorced from their pet factions. The problem is tribalism I guess.

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>>51331704
This one. Not really a campaign though

>>51331709
It also seems to be the most efficient means of getting people to post, though.

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>>51331681
>Wouldn't you consider claims about the setting that are contrary to, or the misrepresentations of, the book content, to be objectively wrong though?
If someone is speaking facts that can be pointed out to be objectively false, then we should call them out on it. If they are just going against the authors pretty strong bias, then that is fine.

Someone saying "the Jovians use nanomachines in great quantities" or "the Extropians love the reputation system" should be called out for peddling falsehoods, but someone saying "the Jovian's lifestyle isn't all that bad" or "Extropia isn't that dangerous of a place to live" isn't lying, they're just seeing the facts that the authors present and coming to a different conclusion. The authors are a bit guilty of telling you how to feel, instead of presenting the people, history, and factions and letting you come to your own conclusions.

>>51332049
>The authors are a bit guilty of telling you how to feel, instead of presenting the people, history, and factions and letting you come to your own conclusions.
They certainly are, but theirs is just another viewpoint, and to their credit, they did make an effort to diversify the positions taken by their narrators. Though I don't think in any case that the authors' opinions are unseparable from what we know are facts of the setting.

Actually, I don't think there's anyone in here willing to argue against the existence of the authors' leftwing bias, no matter their own political stances and such. Its existence is plainly obvious to the naked, non-opinionated eye, and the authors aren't exactly making an effort to conceal it either.

What bothers me is that people are still willing to discuss it like it were a point of contention, when in reality pretty much everyone who's not shadowdragon agrees that yes it's a thing and just differs in how much leftwing bias they believe to be there.

>>51332016
I generally consider the fervent in-character shitposting to be a point in favor of the game. If it gets people to care so much, it's clearly doing something right.

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>>51332390
The authors bias is always going to be a part of the setting, so anyone complaining about that is just making noise no one needs to hear. I am glad that the authors showed a lot of different views and ideologies nonetheless.

Here's the rub. If the authors say "this place is a terrible place to live, and those people are evil" that doesn't mean crap. If they substantiate those claims with facts such as "this place puts its people in a constant computer simulation of torture" then we can use those facts and then debate whether it is evil or not.

Hey, first-time Eclipse Phase GM here. Going to be starting a campaign shortly- the plan is that all of the PCs at the start have been forknapped, and are being used as a disposable and controllable physical boarding crew by a pirate organization of initially unknown size.

First, what physical location would work best for such an organization to operate out of? I was thinking the main belt, where there's plenty of rocks to hide behind and you can catch ships passing between the inner and outer systems, but maybe one of you would have better ideas.

Second, I'm thinking this pirate organization should actually be part of some huge conspiracy, but I'm not sure what kind, yet. Being part of a firewall operation or on the other hand being run by TITAN agents comes to mind.

>>51334105

Main Belt or the Jovian Trojans are the best place for such an outfit to operate out of - other than the junkyard of Earth Orbit - but that might be too close to "civilization" for them to run such a large scale scheme. Main Belt has a lot of brinker, extropian and other ancap, criminal and even corporate types lying around getting a lot done.

Firewall does monitor or even subvert/profit off of some shady people but at the same time they don't have as much need for a sprawling cover operation. They could recruit or fork Sentinels or friendlies if they need bodies - unless it was a rogue server or something. Another group like TITAN puppets or Project OZMA who need plausible deniability would be more likely.

>>51334164
I hadn't thought of Project OZMA, I might go with that- it lets me have the party "just so happen" to run into a lot of exurgent threats. They think they're unwilling pirates with terrible luck, when in reality they're disposable scouts. I can work with that.

>>51327769
One squirrel can destroy a hab as long as you give it an antimatter container in a form of a nut.

>>51327887
Ultimates ask too much. You can't be a hatred filled sickly janitor and be an Ultimate. Also they talk abut philosophy too much.

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>>51334439

War and philosophy are the same thing.

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>>51334439
They don't really attract the same types of people. Ultimates want to become as perfect as they can possibly be, a perfect "humanity". Minervans believe that the human body must remain pure, untouched by mods except for some minor cyberware, and their minds must absolutely be untampered except to make them quicker at reacting (aka reflex boosters and neurochem). Ultimates reject weakness, and reject the weak. Minervans accept it, and all the pains and hardships that come with it.

>>51334308
A good chunk of pirates are probably more like corsairs on a corporate payroll. Everyone needs a little shady mercenary to get the dirty job done.

So I know that this game is supposed to be pretty realistic, but there are space fighters, sun whales, and TITAN magic, so are we overestimating how scientifically accurate this game is supposed to be played?

>>51328919
Y'know, as much as I love Blacklight's aesthetic, I really think it fits Shadowrun, D20 High Tech, or near future aesthetics, save from some of the helmets, like Hatchet or the yiffy one.

>>51326883
Just because obesity is normal doesn't mean it's right.

>>51326673
You skipped the sifter nomads

>>51328282
>what matters is if they have souls. And the answer to that question is no. They do not.
But neither does anyone else, so who cares?

>>51328374
He is correct. Look at second generation crosses in crops. They're shit. You want to be heterozygous for certain traits.

>>51326415
>The only major faction dedicated to defending against the very real possibility of the rogue AI's returning
Oh yeah, because defending mankind against singularity Nyarlatotep with some sticks and stones is going to work.

Is it possible to engineer an Exsurgent Nano-virus that would target every morph except splicers and flats?

I think this would resolve a lot of our problems.

>>51328897
I don't feel any different.
Is that good or bad?

>>51338306
Are you an ETI?

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>>51338306
>is it possible to do something fucking retarded that will cause me to become possessed by TITANS

Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes.

>>51328984
>What sort of colossal fuck-head plays a game based on Transhumanism and goes all in rejecting nearly every aspect of it?


Because Transhumanism is evil(both in game and in real life).

It objectively worsens the human condition while claiming it will improve it.

I just realized how similar it is to communism(communism proposed to improve worker's lives but worsened them).

>>51338271
>Oh yeah, because defending mankind against singularity Nyarlatotep with some sticks and stones is going to work.

There is no defense against Nyarlatotep, however if you only got stick and stones, he isn't interested in you.

>>51338306
It's possible in theory, but how would you stop the virus from mutating into a form that also infects splicers and flats, and what is your motivation for designing something so evil it's measured in kiloNazis?

>>51338393
I'm not really seeing the link between genetic engineering and wealth redistribution. If anything it was the fascists driving human eugenics.

>>51338415
>Lack of interest will prevent a foot from accidently stepping on an ant

>>51338393
>Makes thesis statement
>Backs up with 2 different unrelated thesis statements instead of any evidence
>Muh communism boogeyman

Wow those Jovian schools must be really competitive to get into mi amigo

>>51338513
I think the best scenario is becoming Hiders and scattering throughout the Galaxy, living like mice in the walls, without any extensive modifications that might trigger Singularity-like events.


http://www.orionsarm.com/eg-topic/45bd1a9eb4a5c

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Sky_River_%28novel%29

>>51328984
It's because it's hip to be contrary. Plus, by rejecting the core themes of the game, your character can be a brilliant and unique snowflake by not fitting in. As an added bonus, you end up holding the other players and the GM to ransom, because things like egocasting and resleeving and generally being a transhuman, which can be rather fundamental to a Firewall mission (and allow for characters from different backgrounds and locations to easily come together) aren't going to be an option unless the GM is willing to "split the party".

You too can make sure that everyone keeps your unique character's disabilities in mind all the time, and that's pretty much how you win at RPGs, right?

>>51338603
>It's because it's hip to be contrary. Plus, by rejecting the core themes of the game, your character can be a brilliant and unique snowflake by not fitting in

I reject radical Transhumanism in real life.

I actually was Transhumanist very early, read about the movement in early 90s and was enthusiastic. But eventually I started to see it as wrong, and too optimistic. If you go to real Transhumanist meetings the people there are very arrogant and disregard the problems of common population.

>>51338662
>Working against people having fun in a play pretend game is the only way to save humanity!
>I want to actively search out groups to play in so I can spread my ideology and save them from themselves

>>51338662
Why are you here, then? If you cannot set aside your real world views, even temporarily, for the sake of accepting the premises of a game, you should find a different game and cease destroying yourself trying to be a missionary to a deaf audience.

>>51338701
I still enjoy SF and RPG's. Eclipse Phase has plenty of options for players not interested in radical Transhumanism

>Why are you here, then? If you cannot set aside your real world views, even temporarily, for the sake of accepting the premises of a game

Eclipse Phase is not based on enthusiastic acceptance of Transhumanism.

And the premise of the game is that rapid technological progress led to the Fall

>>51338662
>Working toward post-scarcity disregards the problems of the lower class

Now you're just making shit up

>>51338768
>the premise of the game is that rapid technological progress led to the Fall
The premise of the game is that the ETI led to the Fall

>>51338768
The premise is that someone else got there first and didn't want competition.

>>51338768
>Eclipse Phase is not based on enthusiastic acceptance of Transhumanism.

However, it does require acceptance of a bare minimum of transhuman social mores and speculative technology in order to use the majority of the game's mechanics. Can you accept that bare minimum, or can you find a group that will accept your bare minimum?

>>51335926
Yes.

>>51334730
So Ultimates are /fit/ and Minervans are /r9k/?

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>>51339124

ITT Minervans who think they're Prometheus stealing the divine fire, actually Icarus except their flight is powered by rapidly shitting everywhere.

>>51339124
Minervans are actually the jilted remnants of the international deep state commanding a bunch of uneducated flats who've been given commando training and powered armor. They 'win' mostly by targeting undefended settlements rather than fighting a peer enemy like the Extropians or Titanians head-on, and make use of black-box technology they don't understand and lobotomized asyncs (that they also don't understand), claiming that the results speak for themselves.

If Minerva was a board, it'd be Funnyjunk.

>>51338824
I am pretty sure it is possible to play a Jovian character who believes he died after resleeving and his current self is just a simulation and abomination whose sole purpose is to kick transhuman/Firewall ass. As he is just a simulation, and his true self and soul went to the Maker, there is nothing wrong with copying itself into new morphs or using abusive technology.
A botched Firewall recruitment attempt perhaps?


What I don't think is necessary is playing as part of Firewall, this is just forced on the players and GM by the designers due to their pro-left-wing anarchism views.


In fact I am pretty certain that playing as independent bounty hunters, Ozma agents, Oversight minions or PC security would be considered by many as much more fun than playing as Firewall

>>51340618
You sound like you've maybe never actually played.

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>> 51287512
>So, assuming the TITAN's are gone for good, what do you think will happen to everyone in the solar system in the long term, given say 50 years, then 200 years, then 1,000 years, and so on.

>50 years
A great human crusade that purges the Solar System and resets the setting technologically in certain areas. Sort of like Butlerian Jihad in Dune Universe.
Pic related.

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>>51340710
Ah yes, the ostrich solution.

Good luck against the people who didn't forsake advanced technology, tho.

>EXTINCTION
>CORRUPTION
>REGRESSION
>STAGNATION

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>>51340747
>Good luck against the people who didn't forsake advanced technology, tho.

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>>51340747
>Good luck against the people who didn't forsake advanced technology, tho.

t.pic related

>>51340815
I mean sure. With a picture you can show literally anything. I could pay someone to draw an M1 Abrams being defeated by a man shitting attack chickens.

>>51340710
Humanity's on life support, bro. The Earth is no longer suitable for human civilisation. Humanity will either die out or be reduced to sub-sentience.