Warhammer 40,000 General /40kg/

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Repostan

The Lord of Change is coming on pre-order next week? Ugh, GW why do you torture me...

>>51316613
Basically FoC except Rey is Celestine

Hey guys whats the most 'space vietnam' imperial guard list I could make.

Considering just covering my board in forest and having massive ariel support but I can't decide. Obviously using Catachan

>>51316634

Ditch second battle tank.
Get a lvl 2 psyker to prescience your HWTs, and an Aegis defense line.

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>>51316613
Reminder that Tau can have as many relics as they want. They can even take relics from other forces.

>>51316609
so you're saying basically soak it when it comes to water? How wet are we talking about?

>>51316691

>Valkyries with missile pods
>Camo vets with Heavy flamers
>Hellhounds
>Mortars

>>51316721

Duncan barely thins his paints. Most painters don't thin their paints enough. If you tip your palette over and your paint doesn't drip but just oozes or doesn't even move, it's not thin enough.

>>51316691
>Valkyries
>Vendettas
>Plasma/melta vets
>Hellhounds with camo nets

That's it that's your army.

>>51316691
Blade Assault Company with max hellhounds and Recon Company Sentinels and/or a bunch of valkyries.

>>51316691
>lots of infantry platoons
>mortar teams
>troops in valkyries
>basilisks, a fortification and a company command squad wrapped in an aegis line for you 'base'
>more flyers

How fun would a special weapons team kicked out of a vendetta with maxed out heavy/flamers be?

How do you feel about bikers?
Why?

>>51316736
what's the purpose of having it that thin? I have usually been thin enough on most of my models with little issue in look (for a tabletop standard, i'm good enough but don't do washes or highlights, i'm not that good.)
I'm curious to know the benefits of making it that thin

>>51316753
Not as fun as one armed with demo charges.

>>51316772
one of fun and sillier parts of 40k

sadly alittle too good in most armies.

>>51316772
I hate them because the bike models look fucking stupid, except Orks, at least that fits in.

Does anyone ever play the games that GW sells that use 40k miniatures? All I see about them is whether the value of the set for the minis is good or not.

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>>51316791
How do you feel about Outriders, then?

>>51316795
My friends played Deathwatch: Overkill and found it really fun. Apparently Gangs of Commorragh is pretty fun, too.

>>51316795
Space Hulk nigga

>>51316802
Look better but still shit.

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>>51316772

>>51316774

Smoother coats. Try doing white and you'll see.

>>51316774

Some colors will require you to paint a surface more than once to get a solid color, but if you don't thin it, every time you put paint down you'll leave brush marks, ridges of pushed around paint, and tiny bumps of dry paint when it dries. This gets worse and worse each time you paint that area. Thinned paints don't have this problem because most of it is thinner or water which will dry without leaving bumps or marks, allowing you to paint that area as many times as you need without worrying about paint buildup or gunking up details.

>>51316802
Needs to be painted red with a ton of stickers all over it.

>>51316874
>Battle Brother Tetsuo!

>>51316613
>protag is a psyker who magically masters warp powers instantly
>tells an experienced pilot how to do his job
>defeats a Chaos Lord in a 1v1

>>51316884
CHAPTER MASTER KANEDA!

Can Celestine fly? I can't read the books because i'm not near my computer

Deathwatch confirmed worst marine variant?

>>51316971
someone told me they were op

I laughed at him

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>Chaos has Abbadon and Magnus
>Imperium still hasn't got a primarch yet
Is GW only run by edgy metalheads now?

>>51316999
>Abbadon
>good
>worth his points


huehuehuehue

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>>51316691
This list has some really fuckin odd synergy

>>51316999
checked

do you really want our spiritual liege that badly?

>>51317024
MAC daddy is the one and only spiritual liege

>>51317024
I want the Lion to wake the fuck up and kick the shit out of Magnus so he can hold that over Russ's head.

>>51317008
>Magnus good
>worth his points
Toppest Kek i can wait till fucking girlyman comes out and hes a beast and only cost 250 points

>>51317043
>>51317042
>>51316999
fuck the primarchs
bring back Lord Solar

>>51316999
>Implying Abbadon is a primarch
We only have Magnus.
Abbadon is equivalent to Marneus Calgar.

I need my Fulgrim and plastic noise marines first.

>>51317047
This

>>51316994
what were his reasoning for their supposed OPness?

>>51316772
I want Imperial Guard bikers to use as rough riders.

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>>51317047
>>51317059
he is pretty pimpin

>>51317071
I have no idea, I think he thought that their special ammo was too much

but I told him that they'd have like 20 marines total for their whole army

>>51317050
>Abbadon is equivalent to Marneus Calgar
Abby fucking wishes he was as good as calgar, reminder
>Abaddon's chaos gauntlet, blessed by all 4 of the chaos gods
>attached is a standard combi-bolter

>Marneus Augustus Calgar's chaos gauntlets, wielding by a lowly champion
>AP2 STORMBOLTER BRO

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>>51317047
>>51317080

A Solar Macharius plastic kit or Forge World character is my dream. I'd prefer Forge World because they make some sexy sculpts.

SO what happned after the ork game on the twitch stream i fucked off.

>>51317080
He is /the/ pimp

>>51317093
does anyone know of any youtube channels which re-host the GW streams?

>>51317093
Orks tabled the black templar.

>>51317080
>>51317090
>>51317059
He's a living saint ain't he? Can't they plot-revive him since we lost Creed?

>>51317047
This

>>51317080
ya know, this guy is just garnish and gaudy enough to win or survive in 40k with his Emperor inspired gold armor. i love it

>>51317020
CCS needs its own Chimera.
Trade in 1 Chimera from each squadron so you can give those veterans (and CCS) special weapons that will be bolstered by the CCS's orders (One plasma, One Flamer, One Melta, and the CCS gets whichever you need more of).

Consider, but not necessarily needed, some bane wolfs for MC hunting.

Finally, if you have the points, upgrade one of the valkyries to a vendetta. Now you have Air anti-tank, tank anti-tank, and infantry anti-tank. You got anti-MC tank and anti-MC infantry. You got anti-infantry infantry, anti-infantry tank, and anti-infantry air. Now you cover all possibilities in a single list!

>>51317118
Nah you dont get it. The emperor leaves his body after the golden throne fails and then his soul moves into Solar Macharius

>>51317127
>Trade in 1 Chimera from each squadron
I MEANT HELLHOUND/BANE WOLF/DEVIL DOG GOD DAMMIT!

Very hotly debated question came up in our local group today. If a Castellans of the Imperium detachment take a Space Marine Captain on a bike, do Marine Bike Squads become Troops?

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Thinking of starting up a 1000 point entry Necron force. How are Deathmarks? The models look great imo.

>>51317104

He died somewhere through like M35 or some shit. He was just a normal human rather than a Living Saint, so he's dead forever. I think all his angelic imagery was holograms, friendly psykers, or artistic liberty by historian/artists.

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How are Sentinels? They look like fun units to have run around but it's hard to justify buying more than 3 of them due to cost.

If only there was something like a Catachan Start Collecting with a Sentinel in the bundle so I could get them cheaper.

>>51317153
he was a living saint m8

http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Living_Saint

>>51317162
not in a codex, not canon

Hi all I'm norm. I have not the first idea about this whole universe.
But the images alone are orgasmic. The very superficial summary I just watched on youtube makes me want to shoot myself for not being involved for so long. Skipping past my sob story. I want to read. I'm going to the bookstore tomorrow to start my adventure into this lore. Should I just buy a random book with warhammer on it and say fuck it, read and read until i get an idea of where i am at?
or is there a place i should start at. please i neeed this more than a recently sober crack addict

>>51317170
you don't gotta crush my hopes like that anon

the IG have lost almost all their special characters, and now Creed too.

>>51317202
start with any omnibus

although I'd say the rulebooks offer better starting points for getting a taste of lore, that or just reading the lexicanum wiki a little

>>51317162
>>51317170

Seems weird because, while he's referred to as a "Living" Saint, he was only canonized after his death.

I'm pretty sure he's only considered a Saint because of his accomplishments and popularity, although he did have a few miracles happen, like being shot in the chest by a bolt shell that failed to detonate.

>>51317161

I'm curious about this as well.

I play Space Marines but I think Sentinels look cool as hell and would be half tempted to ally some Guard into my army if they are any good.

>>51317216
Saints are always canonized after death - the idea is the recognition doesn't come in your life.

Living Saints in 40k are essentially Daemons of the Emperor, as they are composed either from the Emperor's psychic will or called by the faithful.

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:^)

How much better/different would CSM be if they had access to proper drop pods instead of 100 point fliers that aren't worth using?

>>51317259
Replace your HQ with Celestine or Cawl.

>>51317259
THATS NOT LEGAL REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>51317224
Light sentinels outflanking enemy armour with multilasers or autocannons can be a riot.

A single armoured sentinel with multilaser or heavy flamer can tie up entire units without access to s6 or haywire melee attacks. Perfect for fucking over large conscript or cultist mobs and things like khorne hound packs.

>>51317104
Wait, is Creed dead or off to shenanigans?

>>51317259
421 men aren't that hard to kill and easier to break at ld 5

>>51317255
>essentially Daemons of the Emperor
Nah they are daemons of the emperor

>>51317278
Trollzyn captured him in a tesseract pokeball. He wanted Abbaddon, though.

>>51317255

Macharius never came back, though. He was killed by an Assassin who was disguised as an Inquisitorial Stormtrooper in the retinue of an Inquisitor in order to deny Macharius's soul to Nurgle's diseases. Then the Assassin assassinated the Inquisitor she was working under while hidden as an Inquisitorial Stormtrooper because the Inquisitor was a witness and also possibly attempting to undermine Macharius's successes.

Anyway, Macharius has been dead for centuries and has thus far been very stubborn about staying that way. Still, he would make a great Character for the Guard, although it looks like only characters from the "present" of 40k are getting models, since a lot of them have been cut.

>>51317259
you forgot commissars

>>51317216
>he was only canonized after his death
That's normal, or was normal. Celestine and soulstorm kind of fucked the average player's idea of what a living saint is, though.

>what do you mean sebastian thor was a living saint? he's not got wings and didn't come back from the dead

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>>51317294
Tactical genius indeed

>>51317278
pokeballed

>>51317297
Hence he's a saint in the usual term of the word. Not a "Living Saint" (daemon).

Agree that it would be pretty cool for him to get a model or hell some rules again though, maybe they'll do some warzones set in between HH & 40K

>>51317304
But how can Motherfucking Chaplain hit that shit? He has no lips.

>>51317277

Interdasting...

>>51317322
It's a helmet, he's not skeletor

>>51317259

> yfw your opponent brought shitloads of flamers

You'll be removing minis from the table by the handful

>>51317322
Emprah bless

>>51317348
>helmet
No, you faggot, he's clearly part way to servitor.

>>51317352
he has more guardsmen than they will have shots

>>51317259
"Emperor's Blood" formation of 50 conscripts and a Priest when

>>51317320

Sometimes Forge World just goes AWOL and makes some shit that's awesome that no one asked for and nobody expected. It's a rare thing, though.

Still, what I wouldn't give for a Solar Macharius mini, lovingly sculpted and filled with subtle detail from the resin-crafter artisans of Forge World.

>>51317374
Imperial Agents lets you throw together 100 arcoflagellants and a priest. It's only 1025pts to boot!

>>51317388
>forgeworld
>making anything besides 30k or specialst games

that ship has sailed

how do I outshoot psychic faggots as tau?

>>51317411

Well, that's not true. They also make even more overpowered variants of already overpowered stompy robots in StompyRobotHammer 40,000$.

>>51317430
guns

>>51316691
Put small speakers in your fliers, and have them constantly playing that dude yelling "get some"

>>51317454

It'd have to either be "Flight of the Valkyries" or "It Ain't Me" I hate this meme. Because no one has any creativity anymore.

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WHEN

>>51317493
eventually.

>>51317493
Wow I can hardly wait for more bullshit Monstrous Creature suits. So hyped.

>>51317493

More Tau vs. Imperium? That's basically the Taros Campaign already. Give us some Tau vs. other things. Although it's "Imperial" Armor, so I guess the Imperium has to be involved somehow.

I hope they at least tone down the cost of XV-9s, though, to make them an actually tempting choice.

>>51317493
>Tau getting more fucking battlesuits
no fuck off

>>51317505
This.

Im so sick of Tau. I can honestly say that I dont understand why they, alongside Eldar, are so difficult to balance. They are always so overtly powerful. I just cannot fathom the disconnect between the rules writers and the player base. One would think they would at least take a cursory google search of 40k tournaments.

What would happen if a Tyranid hive fleet passed near or into the Eye of Terror? What effect would the Shadow in the Warp have on it?

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>>51317505
>>51317534

>>51317439
>FW
>OP
This meme needs to die

>>51317542
This is also the company that was poking jokes at the orks earlier today

I feel as though Dark Eldar should be used more. They have a janky codex, but they are better than Orks/Tyrannids at least

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>>51317548

>>51317553

Oh, it's dead already at least on /tg/, but they had to give the Riptide and Wraithknight even more powerful versions. Most of their smaller dudes are alright, as well as a good deal of their other options (and some just straight bad or meh), although Secutarii Peltasts are bizarrely powerful. However, Peltasts are still in the "Experimental" rules phase, so they might be ironed out into something more decent later.

>>51317161
Sentinels are great. I just got done magnetizing a few of mine. I'm going to the store tomorrow to buy more. They are great distraction and pestering units. They carry enough firepower to be a threat and to put wounds on tanks/MCs, but they usually aren't high priority for the enemy. Their damage adds up the more they are ignored, and if they aren't ignored, they soak up damage that would otherwise go to your more important vehicles.

>>51317553
While I agree its mostly a meme, their Tau stuff has been pretty stonk. Tau and Eldar proper are way worse, but GW isnt helping.

The marine side of things is pretty good, not battle company free transports good, but good good.

They did boost chaos up a bit as well.

New Eldar Wraithknights can suck it. But Shadow Spectres are cool, a bit mediocre, but cool. Eldar Crosairs are strong but not scatspam strong.

>>51317595

They seem like Sydonian Dragoons before Skitarii came out; a light, somewhat more nimble platform you strap a heavy weapon to and hope it headhunts back its points while your opponent tries to kill more expensive things.

>>51317392
Their save is only ignored by S6, too.

Why does the Taurox look fucking stupid? It's so boxy and doesnt fit the Imperium theme at all.

>>51317641
but all the imperium stuff is box and bulky like, it's the lack of full treads

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>>51317641
you just don't understand the new modern 40k

get with the times grandpa

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>>51317641

>>51317661
>wheels scraping underside

What paints and brushes do you guys use? need to buy new ones and rather not just go citadel

>>51317505
>>51317533
>>51317534
>>51317542
ADEPTUS
MECHANICUS
YOU DUMBASSES

>>51317687
Vallejo Model paints.

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Just finished selling all my 40k stuff

I'll see you guys on the other side of 8th edition if it's worth a shit

>>51317706
Why the fuck would you sell your shit BEFORE 8th if you might come back after?

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>>51317505
>>51317534
>>51317542
>>51317689

>>51317706
good, get out
>selling your dudes
>ever

>>51317716
if 8th is bad the value of minis will drop

fuck even AoS was good and the value of minis dropped

they popped back up though

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>>51317641
The doors and the position of the hull-mounted guns really hurt its appearance for me. I have to convert it into looking like pic related to use it.

>>51317716
Might as well sell it while its worth anything

>>51317585
Peltasts wouldn't be half as powerful if FW had understood that they are relentless.

>>51317641

Looks better if you get a tire conversion to replace the shitty treads.

It ends up looking like an even beefier MRAP.

>>51317542

Tau 6e would have, in and of itself, been a pretty balanced and okay Codex as far as things go. It had some neat choices, definitely made it better than the 5e Codex, and had a lot of neat ways basic units could interact with each other, reinforcing the fluff that the Tau were a society of mutualism and their military was built around coordinating tactics and tactical datanets.

But they also had to put in the Riptide, and that's probably where things went so horribly wrong.

>>51317734
Theyre just plastic

This is only a hobby. Why would i stay in a hobby I dont like anymore. I sold my skaven before sigmar even came out and i havent regretted it for a second.

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>>51316736


As a guide I thin my paint so it's about the consistancy of thick milk or cream. More layers, but my god the paint goes on smoother.

>>51317139
Guessing this is something for the FAQs to inevitably fuck up on

>>51317687
Brushes? I get them all from Hobby Lobby. They got a decent single-brush-each selection that allows you to pick the exact kind of brush you need. So long as you wash them up they last a decently long time, too. Expensive, though. But not as bad as Citadel.

Paints? I use Citadel so long as I'm not looking for a very specific color.

>>51317743

Oh, anon, they do understand, they even put it in the rulesheets, they just didn't care.

It might make sense for them to not have Relentless, but then they have to really sit still to actually be of any use when their stated role is hunting down anything a Knight didn't kill.

>>51317756
Not him, but can you show me a single layer of this consistency? I literally don't understand this "milk consistency" thing every time someone brings it up. I just can't grasp the concept because I'm probably retarded. I thin my paints to where they're almost water and they always go on in splotchy layers because they end up pooling.

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I'm a horrible player in need of general list building advice/tips. I'll accept specifically grey knights or astra militarum, but really looking for stuff that applies in most situations.

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Is it actually possible to play pure Cult Mechanicus?

Also, is this thing worth it?

>>51317817
play an army without glaring weaknesses

>>51317848

play an army with overwhelming strengths

>>51317873
>>51317848

Meant to link to >>51317817

>>51317848
get cawl at the least

>>51317855
soooo....fucking eldar/tau?

>>51317848
Possible, though I think that box has some Skitarii units in it.

>>51317813

Use thinner instead of water.

>>51317817
heavy weapons teams should be autocannons and lascannon.

>>51316720
I thought all they had for relics were melee shit

>>51317810
Nah they definitely should be relentless, it's just that it couldn't have been taken into consideration when the weapon profiles were created. I don't believe for a second that they meant for the salvo spam shots to be both logically and mathematically superior to the heavy 1 AP3 shots like they are.

The weapon profiles need to be worked upon, but they are still skitarii no matter what they're carrying and shouldn't lose out on relentless.

>>51317855
>>51317873
Literally this >>51317913
I have little interest in
>heh, nice army you got there
>too bad I have terrible acne and don't shower
>look at all my bikes and my wraith knight
>nothing personnel

>>51317661
Fuck me that does look way better. Maybe those stupid treads were just ruining it for me.

>>51317817
>I'm a horrible player in need of general list building advice/tips
when in doubt take more units

because that means your opponent has to roll more dice to wipe you off the table (and thus has more opportunities to fuck up)

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>>51317913
>suggest an army with no glaring weakness
>responds with an army that has no assault or psychic phase

Boy you been readin too many memes.

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>>51317020
>all those hellhounds

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>>51316613
IT BROKE NEW GROUND!

>>51317020
>napalm in the morning: the list

>>51316613
> This isn't the FAQ or plot advancement we asked for edition
Been away for a few months. What's going on? Is there a TL;DR?

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>>51317976
>tau
>no assault phase

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>>51317976
>implying tau need psychic or assault

>>51317047
How would LORD SOLAR MACHARIUS fare against Abbadon considering the trouble Creed gave him?

>>51317928
I use Lahmian Medium. I've considered picking up some Vallejo matte thinner medium. Should I?

While I love Guard, I would like a little colour in my army. Are Engineseers plus Plasma cannon/powerarm servitors any good? Looks like a cool fluffy unit to field. The Servitor models are fucking dreadful though, would it be hard to convert some from a Skitarii box?

>>51317976
>implying assault is a "glaring weakness"
only lack of psychic is *only* a weakness

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Am I doing it right?

Would this even be a good idea? One giant fuckoff unit with IWND, FNP, can shoot at anything on the table, plus 10 torrent flamers, shooting overwatch at BS2, can go to ground for a 2++, and on top of the Kastelan orders and reflection field. Worth a meme?

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I have unbuilt

1 Tactical marine squad x 10 (Circa 4th/5th edition)

5 tactical marines

1 Marine command squad from 4th/5th

1 razorback

1 predator

1 dread

5 assault marines

-------

Built

-Vulkan H'estan (Although I need to pin his spear arm again)
-Assault on Black Reach stuff
-10 marines (flamer, missile) 5 termies 1 dread 1 captain

-Space marine captain with stormbolter and power sword

-1 metal chaplan with bolt pistol

-10 scout snipers


Could I build a Salamanders army out of this?

How should I kit out my tactical marines for special weapons if I have no multimeltas? Leave hands off for now and order some bitz for later?

What would you guys buy next?

Should I build my own drop pods out of pvc?

Do I need Rhinos?

Calth boxset?

Any suggestions would really help.

I really need motivation to get back into building models so I can break out of this funk.

>>51317734
Fuck you.

I'm selling all my Orkz, & including instructions in how & where to get the best second-hand everything so GW never makes a fucking dime again off of anyone who buys the tens of small lots I'll sell.

>>51318014
It's the same stuff just cheaper - go for it.

>>51317641
I thought it looked stupid then I built two Taurox primes. Those things actually look surprisingly nice.

>>51317946

Reduce the range of the flechettes to 18' and they're almost on par with Vanguard, and make the kinetic shot more appealing for a turn at least because of the range. Make them 12" and they're only going to be using Kinetic shot and the blind blast, pumping out flechettes in overwatch or if they manage to get in close.

Fuck with it and make it 16" like Deathwatch shotguns and they're back to Vanguard level, firing off shotgun flechette blasts to keep fuckers at arm's length.

>>51318019
>"Skitarii - 1845pts"
Listbuilder kiddos pls go. Try putting it in Battlescribe and see what happens.

>>51317689
what about them?

>>51317983
I CLAPPED I CLAPPED WHEN I SAW CELESTINE

>>51318012

He'd bash the little piker's 'ead in like the armless poof he is.

>>51318017
Probably would be easy to convert some Skitarii for them. I think they'd function well in a force with lots of tanks.

You also aren't obligated to run your guardmen as the standard Green and tan camo. You could easily have them with Red body armor if you prefer.

>>51317952
Even among the idiots who think robots=futuristic, the Taurox is just too silly a design for anyone to accept. I mean, a Leman Russ is just a Char 1 Bis held up to a mirror, so it at least has some historical justification for it's silly design i.e. "Someone actually tried this at least once before and it even kinda worked", but the Taurox is laughed off by even the most incompetent engineer.

I mean, why even HAVE treads if they're going to have such small surface contact areas? Your just making the thing a bigger target and the mechanic's life a living hell! And judging by the metal covers those tracks' suspension only has a couple centimeters of give! Again, the tires fix this issue because they draw parallels to real vehicles with sensible designs.

"Why is the wheeled Taurox still so tall?"
"To avoid land mines and climb uneven terrain of course!"

>>51318050
I know they don't have to be, but I like that colour scheme, I just need something to mix it up a bit.

>>51316965

She's jump infantry.

>>51318040
PEOPLE SHOULD BE HYPE FOR THEM AND NOT TAU STUFF WEVE ALREADY SEEN

>>51318075
The point is that the community is fucking sick to death of Tau getting shiny new toys all the fucking time.

>>51317976
>Eldar/Tau
>no assault phase

They're literally better at assault than everyone in the game except assault armies. Have fun fighting off waves of MCs.

>>51318059
Well, a Techpriest would be a good spot to do so. Other options would be Scions or similar carapace armor units to have a different color, as well as Tanks having the possibility of a different scheme.

Guard armies have plenty of options for places to add varying tones.

>>51317941
They got a few relics for effects when they are being assaulted, or are in assault, but really Tau only have three Melee relics.
Onegar Gauntlet (Tau Empire Codex)
Fusion Blade (Farsight Enclaves Codex)
Blade of the Worthy (Fall of Cadia, Celestine relics list)

>>51318075
Im trying. I love beepboops. But the potential tauwankfest that is the usual tau lore is killing my excitement. After Kauyon I can only take so much more Worf Effect fueled Mary Sue style plot armor regarding tau...

>>51318096
I'm not sure if I'd count Blade of the Worthy, as you have to buy the Fusion Blade and then exchange it for the Blade of the Worthy. You have to swap out a melee weapon, and the Onager gauntlet doesn't technically count.

It's a shame other Tau HQs can't get any sort of relics. Maybe people would actually take something other than a Crisis commander.

>>51318035
Bruh, it's 1845. I'll break symmetry if I change anything, really. And I don't plan on doing that. Do you want me to math the whole thing? Fine.

Cult Mechanicus
Cohort Cybernetica

Tech Priest Dominus - Base 105pts
+30 - Autocadaceus of Arkhan Land
+5 Phosphor Serpenta
Total 140pts

Kastelan Robot Maniple - Base 290pts
+35 - Raiment of the Technomartyr
+420 - 4 Kastelan Robots at 140pts each
+60 - Phosphor Blasters for the Squad at 10pts each
Total 860pts

Kastelan Robot Maniple - Base 290pts
+15 - Stasis Field
+420 - 4 Kastelan Robots at 140pts each
+60 - Phosphor Blasters for the Squad at 10pts each
845pts

140+860+845 =1845

So back to the point. Is this a dumb idea or just a meme?

>>51318082
except they arent "new" theyve been around for a while only exception being the retarded tau titan

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So this is new. Are we dealing with a Chaos cult IRL?

https://twitter.com/H4gb4rdCeline/status/822509951734071297

>>51318096
There's more than that. What about the Equalizer?

Would anyone complain if I stuck Cawl on a normal base as a standard techpriest?

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>>51317999
>>51318086
Tau don't have an assault phase, they simply have a second shooting phase during the enemy assault phase.

>>51318132
>>>/pol/

>>51318141
Yes, he's got a big base for a reason. Also, he won't fucking fit on there.

>>51317848
price wise absolutely, its 100 dollars cheaper than buying the models separately, but the electro priests are overpriced points wise for their ability to stay alive.

How often do the battleforce boxes change? The seem like such a good deal in comparison to other armies.

>>51318019
it's a one trick pony, but I'm sure that pony would throw some people off their game

not really worth buying six kastelan boxes, for a gimmick, though

>>51318151
The problem isnt their ability to stay alive, it's the lack of a decent assault transport to get them there.

>>51318127
It's a dumb idea. Doesn't mean you shouldn't do it if you want to however.

>>51318135
The Equalizer, the Honorblade, and the Kroot Rifle aren't relics.

>>51318127
It's a dumb idea because an invisible target or a real death star will just fuck up half your army at a time, it has no psychic support so any powers won't be denied, it lacks all kinds of anti vehicle and anti air and subsequently would probably fall to any army that has vehicle spam.

However it would be strong against infantry lists and lists that lack the ability to deal with high toughness high strength but slow units.

It's like you designed a list to lose against that ork bike/ artillery spam shitposting list

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>>51318127
I'm just asking that you kids that insist on using the shittier list builder actually know what army you're building.

It's not a good idea, but it'd be fun as hell to face and to run. On a scale of Ork to Eldar, it's probably around a Haemonculus Covens.

>>51318166
Shit

>>51318017
color scheme is entirely up you, there is nothing that says you have to deal with a the colors GW chooses for the armies, my buddy has an army of blue vastroyans because he thinks they look better that way.

>>51318173
For some reason the list thingy labels the entire army whatever your first army choice is. Not that that really changes anything? But I suppose you're one of those folks that'd complain about anything, so be on with your awful self somewhere else.

>>51317931 >>51317967
Thanks for actual replies.

>>51317595
That does sound nice. I think I'll get some sometime soon to fill my army's Fast Attack with individual Sentinels, I've been warming up to those walkers lately. I may start slowly collecting them to see if I really want to have enough for a 1000 point army of just Recon Company.

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>>51318114
Yeah, blade of the worthy is difficult to take for Tau. Shame, because I like playing choppy Tau.

...I swear that Space Marines players used to exchange their regular "close combat weapon" (s:user ap:-) for relics. If only Tau crisis suits could be that cheesy.

>>51318127
stasis field is worthless. the robos are fearless so you can't go to ground.

>>51318017
While most guardsmen, me included, love the khaki camo, it's not the only way. You can build a penal legion and give everyone orange jumpsuits and bright metal armor, for example.

As for servitors? I recommend converting the militarum tempestus with the helmet heads, electro-priests for that "Augmented cyborg with no humanity" look, or the battle servitors for tread-feet.

>>51318019
Assuming that's legal, how the fuck will you deal with, say, a bunch of plasma veterans in a Chimera? The Datasmith limits the whole unit to 6+D6 movement per turn! To say nothing of medium and heavy tanks, armored walkers, aircraft, or artillery.

>>51318141
i would be impressed if you could fit him on there i just got done putting him together a few hours ago and his cloak wouldnt fit on a 40 mm base let alone a 25

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>>51318021
same guy. Would a start collecting space marines set be a waste?

I have two regular dreds would a venerable help.

Another tac squad and termie leader (maybe I could turn into librarian?)

Or would money be better spent elsewhere?

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Rate my list
Also, would like some feedback.
As for combat drop I'm dropping the 2 bolter turrets in sentry mode, the commander squad (1st) and 2 sky talons.
Would you play against it?
How would your standard list fare against it?

>>51316795
Spacehulk is pretty awesome

>>51318183
It's almost like there's a program out there that doesn't have this problem, or the DOZENS of units missing from the browser listbuilder, and hasn't for years. Something to scribe a list for battle, maybe...

>>51318240
doesn't that shit require money

Ok guys, you are CEO of geedubs for 10 minutes and you can make one change to make the game great again. What do you do?

personally, I would retcon all formations, no more unbalanced free shit because you took a certain group of guys. FOC rules only, like it used to be.


Or maybe ban sales and playing of Riptides.

>>51318230
would lose tol/10

Drop your turrets for more valkyries and then you'll be able to physically drink your opponents tears

>>51318211
Phosphors are S6, so they can pop anything up to AV12 easypeasy. Heavy tanks? Yeah, that's an issue, unfortunately. Maybe cutting some robos and putting in a Holy Requisitioner might be a good idea. Or maybe putting Cawl in there instead.

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>>51318257
>t. buttmad Anti-Taufag

>>51318262
turrets allow for 5 valkryies to drop turn one, if I ran another valk, I'd have only 3 valks deep striking t1, otherwise, I can drop 5 valks turn 1.

>>51317913
>tau
>no glaring weaknesses

i don't understand how anyone in their right mind could think tau doesnt have a glaring weakness

>>51316795
Gorechosen is awesome, and Renegade Knight is just GW's version of X-Wing and is pretty fun too.

>>51318272
170 points and you could run 2 5 man skitarii vanguard squads with arc rifles if you really need anti vehicle.

>>51318250
I've been using it for free for ages. Mobile and desktop.

>>51318230
Are you using the multiple LRGS to buff other squads? Good choice. I'd recommend dropping the sentry guns as the other guy said, but maybe look into Drop Sentinels with multimeltas. One Sky Talon can carry two Drop Sentinels, so you could further drop two of the Sky Talons and take a Vulture in its place.
Bless you for Battlescribe, it's so much more readable.

>>51318257
Update the armies who rules are lacking compared to others to try bringing them more closer to thier standards.

>>51318257
I would remove orks from the game

I mean it would balance it more

What do I watch while painting shit? Dubs decide, anime and 3dpd is fair game.

>>51318257
do exactly that
formations were a massive mistake

>>51318305
Midget necrophelia porn

>>51318290

Their only weakness is that they're forced to include a small handful of models that aren't Riptides or Storm Surges.

>>51318299
>>51318230
Oh yeah, and "how my standard list would fare against it"-

I only have Skyfire one turn per game. But when I do have skyfire, I have a *lot* of skyfire. I'd shoot a few Valks down. Outside that, I'd be relying on snap shots. You'd likely win. My local meta is very flyer-light, so I don't carry much in the way of AA.

>>51318305
The entirety of One Piece.


Including filler....

>>51318305
three stooges

>>51318327
>Hmm I wonder how many episodes One Piece is up to now
>Google it
>ALMOST 800

Jesus christ.

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>>51318205
Wait, what?

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>>51318132
>>>/pol/ is what you're looking for, I think.

>>51318305
The entirety of the Starship Troopers movies including cut scenes

>>51318346
TEN MORE YEARS, ANON!

>>51318305
All 7 Star Wars movies at the same time.

>>51318346
I watched it all, except filler, casually. I started in January last year and finished in August.

>>51318337
rerollan
>>51318346
yeah it's insane

>>51318305
My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic

>>51318361
u wot m8

>>51318257
Anything that cannot move solely under the power of the human/xeno inside is now a walker. Firing examples like terminators or Centurions are to be decided on a case-by-case basis depending on current power level.

>Example:
Riptide is now a walker. The justification is if I kill the power core the pilot cannot move the limbs on his own. So now you can stun-lock it through penetration roles, destroy weapons, and explode.

Tyranid MCs are still MCs: They rely on the strength of the xenos because they are the xenos, with no electric components whatsoever.

And the Tau players who claim they avoid these problems with superior technology can explain to my why up till now they have not applied this tech to hammerhead gunships.

>>51318316
do you only play against people who bring nothing but riptides? is that where all this salt is coming from

>>51318299
I'm 2 of the lrgs to buff whatever needs buffing (2 exec squads probs) and the third on the valk itself so I twin link the valk weapons for ultra rape, which is why I took the extra bolters on it. As for the turrets, they're there to provide extra combat drop room in case I want to drop the two exec squads turn one instead, or the breacher charge squad for some nice melee trolling. Are decimattor sqauds worth it? Are cyclops worth it?

>>51318379
bruh I just reached 1750 points and now bought my first riptide, also I have only a ghostkeel and no gc in my list.

>>51318305
All of the narrated porn on pornhub

>>51318305
emperor tts

>>51318371
They plan on going on with it for at least 10 more years.

>>51318398
marathon emps TTS

>>51318398
>>51318403
I might just do that if someone doesnt get dubs soon.

>>51318305
Literally all of Duncan's Videos. Even the unlisted ones.

>>51318388
thats what im confused about. my tau are just tonnes of fire warriors, drones, a shield wall and a few small suits. Everyone on tg seems to assume that if you play tau, you're obv running a riptide wing. Who plays casual games like its a tournament cause i sure haven't met them.

>>51318305
The Avatar: The Last Airbender movie but 5 times

>>51318374
I completely agree with this, but I can only sort of see two units affected, Tau suits and Centurions. Maybe Kastelans? But making them Walkers would infinitely weaken them unless you made them like, 13/12/10 or something silly.

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>carcharodons are too poor for actual maintenance so they just fill their dreadnought hangars with water and let it freeze
>carcharodons visit the room and meditate in the melted water in front of the contemptors whenever they need to be comforted

SPACE SHARKS ARE SO MOE I'M GONNA DIE

>>51318290
Not him, and I play Tau.

Tau's pretty above-average. It's hard to tell because Riptides and Stormsurges take up the spotlight, but almost everything they can field can pull their own weight.

The only units that can't stand on their own are non-FW air, drones, some of the older FW stuff that hasn't been updated, and maybe Kroot/Vespid. And the first two have formations that can fill a niche and potentially cheese. Everything else in the book is genuinely solid.

>>51318423

Razorsharks were finally decent after getting buffed but then Death from the Skies came out.

>>51318423
Kroot are excellent cheap snipers/campers, I'd say they can pull their weight.
>>51318411
I feel you bro, I play eldar, the same eldar list I've run for 3 editions sans the addition of fliers, but now it's crazy OP by default.

>>51318388
Fair enough re: turrets. I wouldn't personally use Decimators, I don't trust sniper rifles. If you like sniper rifles, use Decimators. Cyclops are total garbage.

>>51318423
are the other less powerful books units that bad? i picked up necrons then tau for their aesthetic and they just happened to be strong dexes. I vs space wolves, chaos and skitarii and they all seem to hold their own with their units (though the deathwatch player we vs loses a lot, im not sure if hes not very good or if deathwatch is too underpowered)

>>51318272
Wounding on 6s
>18 shots>9 hits>14 Hits if 8+on "BENEDICTION OF OMNISCIENCE" >2 1/3 Glances Average.

EASY PEASY!

No. Your troops are organized into 3 units. Which means unless I'm missing an important special rule means you can only kill 3 units per turn, max. Plus the fact that even with your chants the odds of totaling a Chimera without forcing the plasma veterans inside to snapshoot are merely decent means your fighting an uphill battle.

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>>51318305
Naruto, all of it.

>>51318421
Canon or no?

>>51318421
That actually is kind of adorable.
Wouldn't have expected that from those lunatics.

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Anyone here care to take a look at my homebrew Tau dex? It works together all the best features of 4e 5e and 6e.

I mostly just do this for fun but am curious as to what people think.

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>>51318230
tfw d99 can't take carapace so I can't use all my kaskrins as d99 vets

>>51318453
but he can easily ally in skitarii and bring arc rifles if he needs anti vehicle.

>>51318456
>>51318458

It's in that Red Tithe book, so BL...

But the author claims all his lore was taken from extensive interviews with the guy who wrote the Carcharodons for FW.

>>51318469
Motherucker I wish I even had some Kasrkins.

>>51318473
Post the pdf!

On the theme of balance, what does /tg/ think is the most balanced faction ignoring any formations and purely CAD?

>>51318305
All of the Ocean's 11 movies

>>51318450
Its more a matter of those Tau units that people don't take being rather on par compared to some of the weaker books. Kroot are a match for most cheap sniper troops. Vespid are okay if you compare them to some of other assault jump infantry, mainly lacking support for assaults in a ranged army.

Same can be said for basically everything in the book. Tau don't really have bad units unless you're talking only about a strict top tier WAAC level.

>>51318305
The Hobbit and Lord of the Rings movies.

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>>51318411
Here is my current list.
A bit of cheese, but not too much (hopefully).
At 1850 I add on a Barracuda AX-5-2 and a ds8 turret to the strike team with an extra 4 fire warriors to it as well.
Is it cheese, I hope it's not.


>>51318443
Yeah, I guess I might try them just for infiltrating breacher charges, they sound fun and the magnoculars sound interesting.

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>>51318477
I got about 30-40 of the metal ones, and about 10 less of the other Metal Stormies. There up for sale all the time on ebay, though now I mostly use FW hostile environment cadians with anvil industries carapace legs and scion arms. Works well enough

>>51318454
fucking weeb tau.

>>51318480

http://is2.4chan.org/tg/1484934689243.pdf

>>51318484
Eldar and vanilla marines. you have guns, fighters, fast, hard hitters, and psychics

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>>51318480

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Klendathu drop on a loop

>>51318469
bruh who needs carapace when you have 9 meltas/10plasmas in a 10 man squad rerolling to hit and have preferred enemy: the xenos you're fighting.
You also get 7 flyers and 5 can deep strike turn one with T6 3+ turrets that can deep strike in front to tank hits.
Carapace armour is the least of my worries, especially when I'm dumping everyone else in buildings so they can mow shit down with extreme dakka, I'd say I could out dakka a tau player with this list.

>>51318450
It's more that Tau just has generic tools to make sure their specialized units get the job done.
Cover is irrelevant. Line of sight is irrelevant. Having to snap shot is irrelevant, and they can jink at 3+. Almost all their units can fire across the board. They have cheap, efficient deepstrikes. Even their light armor can bring tank-busting weapons for practically free. And then most of their formations actually give them pretty fucking good upgrades.

>>51318484
Probably Necrons or Guard. They feel like they'd be the most middle of the road without their formations.

>>51318499
its cheese

Play the exact same army but dont take formations. Then you are fine.

>>51318450

Average Tau beats average versions of those armies but loses to competitive builds. Unless it's CSM.

>>51318464
>writes fandex
>keeps riptides as MC
For what purpose?

>>51318518
I feel like eldar would still be a bit above average considering that most of their units still have a 3+, unique abilities and Wraithguard/knights still exist

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>>51318487
>Tau don't have bad units
You seen the flying turds known as shiteshark bomber and the razorshite interceptor.

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>>51318527
>the guardsman looks up and sees

>>51318527
That's exactly what I'm doing right now you warp abomination. Please report to your local Imperial Office to be requisitioned by his holy black ships.

>>51318528
You don't but it looks operator as fuck. And if its there visually I'd like it to be represented in game. Silly and stupid but what ever

>>51318552

He's saying Eldar are balanced because all their shit is good. It doesn't matter if Eldar shits on everyone else, if everyone was as powerful as Eldar, the game would have a lot more variety and units to choose from instead of having shit like Pyrovores or Gorkanauts.

>>51318518

Vanilla marines is actually pretty limited. A lot of their "average" units are quite dated, like Predators and assault marines outside of formations. They have a couple strong units to spam though like bikes centurions librarians and TFC/rapiers.

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Do you ever look at a non-gw model and wonder how it is so hard for them to create something that is as cool as it is functional.
> pic related

>>51318573
GW autocannons looks better than that thing.

>>51318567
It does look cool, they look pretty similar, just run them as is and hope no one is an absolute wysiwyg fag like a guy who tried to argue a ghostkeel with no arms can't shoot, only gets a smash attack in melee.

>>51318573
That would be dank as fuck if the barrels were a bit bigger and longer.

>First Kill were rifling through the gory remains of the shield hub’s operators, ripping apart bloodstained red robes and cracking open bionic plates. Narx managed to find the brass lever that switched off the alarms. After a few minutes, Drac turned up a memory swipe slate. Xeron found the second. Cull took them both and slid them into the central generator’s cogitator bank.
>‘Give me a hand,’ he ordered. Golgoth scooped one severed limb up off the bloody floor, carrying it awkwardly in his heavy gauntlets. Cull pressed the palm to the scan screen and hit the override rune. The throbbing of the generator began to dip noticeably, fading like a dying heartbeat.

Pun Lords

>>51318554
>Free global markerlights at any range without needing LOS
>Free seeker missiles
>Comes in instantly if your opponent has so much as a skimmer on the board
I know Tau air is a meme, but have you actually fielded them? There are much, much, much worse formations at 400 points. And that's before getting into Forge World stuff.

>>51318552
eh wraithguard have always been powerful if shortranged and blew holes in land raiders easily. the wratihknight is fairly silly

>>51318572
gotta be honest i don't look at the loyalists much, though i always liked the thought of having a force with a couple of techmarines hanging out

>>51318471
Oh definitely! If he brings skitarii, fighting them might actually be a challenge. But I was looking at this, specific 1850 points army that happens to consist of a whopping 3 units filled with giant robots.

I don't fear the arc rifles much. They're still attached to T3 units and at 24" they'll have to get past my guardsmen first. So if I focus down the skittarii with my anti-infantry Russes and the anti-infantry veterans and the line infantry's autocannons while my anti-heavy Russes and meltavets chip away at the Castellans I should have plenty of time to trim down the horde. Not only that, but I have a LOT more men than him, AND I got a 33% chance to grab outflank as my warlord trait which gives me many more maneuvering options than the space cyborgs. It's not a guaranteed win by any means, but it's not nearly as big a catch 22 compared to most Tau I play.

So I'm playing Black Crusade with my friends and the Slaaneshi one wants to rape an ork xhe's captured

What exactly do they have going on down...there?

>>51318651
The ork or the slaaneshi?
Is this the start of a gag?

>>51318131
Then they don't need yet another campaign book that will inevitably bring more fucking GMCs.

Tau and everyone that likes them are degenerate faggots that need to kts

Throw a bone to Dark Eldar, Orks, or Sisters.

>>51318656
The Ork of course

>>51318651
Orks don't have genitalia, iirc. They're quite literally plants/fungi.

>>51318643

Marines would be a good balance if you removed all the overpowered units and nerfed all the overpowered stuff to that level, and buffed the weaker ones there. Early 5th edition was decent with vanilla marines until power creep started hitting with BA, then IG, SW, GK, Necrons.

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>>51318651
By the Emperor, I didn't expect to see this level of heresy this time of day

>>51318648
i didnt see that he was saying bring 3 of that formation, thats just dumb, but if you only bring one its a decent enough roaming machine gun wall

>>51318305

All the Bee movie edits on youtube.

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>>51318651
Uhm they at least have an opening at least, because they do have toilets.

State of your game, mate.

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>>51318651
FUGGIN HERETICS

>>51318664
>>51318651
No genitalia, but they've got some kind of anus.

>>51318651
they got a poophole that we know for sure, if they were real I'd say they'd have something akin to birds/snakes

>>51318661
dick, no balls, asshole, mouth. do what you will. expect it to be like Cross the comic. I'd post something but it's not PG 13

>>51318634
>formations
did I mention formations?
Not to be rude but they are single handedly the worst flyers in 40k
While on the other hand Barracudas are flyinf rape machines and a 4 man remora drone squadron is great source of dakka and markerlights as statistically they'll be BS5 with their markerlights.
Also, can you take remora drones a a flyer wing with a wing leader?
Also FW is remaking the tigershark series (more flying d guns please) and the manta is absolute molestation.

>>51318692
they reproduce via spores, so they have no genetalia

>>51318305
Watch Duncan

>>51318656
>>51318664
>>51318671
>>51318692
>>51318693
>>51318698
>>51318705
Well I need to know if it's rapeable. If that one anon is right and it has a bird/snake type thing I assume that's a yes, I mean one can stick their feminine penis into anything right?

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>>51318713
Well yeah, but they still have an asshole.

>>51318618

>red robes
>brass level
>gore, blood, gore, blood

I can already tell this is the World Eaters and I haven't even read these stories or know who the characters are. I mean, it foreshadows fucking everything in as many sentences.

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>>51318717
>>51318651

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>>51318648
Technically the whole formation is a single unit, that can fire at 5 different targets if they want. Though honestly against an infantry horde it would be really fun to see what'd happen. Don't forget the 12 torrent flamers coming from the robots as well. Plus, if they get stuck into combat, it's probably a stalemate on both sides unless you have a power fist in the squad.

Against the traditional anti-armor crowd it's definitely got its drawbacks. If I was to run it, I'd either take the two cheap arc rifle squads or a Holy Requisitioner, for even more Arc Rifle nonsense. Something like this.

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>>51318717
>needing an orifice or opening

>>51318717
Just say no.

>>51318709
>did I mention formations?
You're analyzing a unit. Why wouldn't you want to mention the benefits it gets from its formations? Those buffs are extremely important and can make or break a model.

Don't you think it's kind of silly to just ignore entire paragraphs of text for no real reason? I mean, Riptides are shit too if you pretend it just has a SMS and ignore its other weapons.

>Also, can you take remora drones a a flyer wing with a wing leader?
Yes to both.

>>51318680
No, I was saying his ENTIRE 1850 points army was just 3 units:
A techpreist Dominus
A Horde of 6 Castellans
Another Horde of 6 Castellans

That fills up his entire points pool! 3 units!

>>51318545
riptides wouldnt make a very good vehicle either, they are far to posable to have defined front side and rear armour.

That said I believe my solution to the riptide will make it much more appropriate for 1000-2000 point games.

>>51318464
>Combat Armor gives a 4+
>Recon Armor also gives a 4+
Why have two different armors that literally do the exact same thing?
That would be like saying Carapace armor is a 5+ like Flak armor.

>>51318752
the worst part about that is that because of the formation he wanted to use his entire army is actually 1 unit.

>>51318692
>State of your game, mate.

well it's a bit complicated, A long story short I've got an undivided group that are more like Rogue Traders than they are Black Crusaders.

So far all they've been doing is jumping around the eastern fringe looking for "artifacts" and they've been stealing whatever the fuck they can get their hands on. So far they have an entire armory of xenos weapons of varying caliber, poisons and toxins taken from one of the fiercest DE cabals, and an Imperial Battleship that had just been christened and wasn't really meant to end up being a Slaaneshi prince's flagship

Party consists of a Nurgle Psyker that has an unhealthy obsession with the undead and zombies.

A Khornate Berzeker that loves using necron energy blades.

The Slaaneshi pirate prince who's an excellent captain and pirate but unfortunatley a horribly vicious/loyal Slaanesh worshiper.

Also there's an Ork Mek that got shoehorned in and generally causes mayhem as the group's "Mechanicus Representative" .

Then finally there's an actually non insane party member who's an ex guard captain that decided to switch to the "freer" side he mostly keeps the rest of them from killing eachother/themselves. basically acts as the party's face and merchant.

>>51318766
For the fun fluff and lore aspect of it.

And cause pathfinders used to have a 4+ save and they are shit now. Anyone with brains just takes tetras in 7e.

>>51318464

Why are Heavy Rail Rifles S10? I know people whined before about that reduction, but it really doesn't help the Hammerhead when you can take three railgun Broadsides sans submunitions in the same slot. Hammerheads lose out a lot in that, and it'd be much better if they had that power while Broadsides bring quantity.

>>51318658
Dark Eldar vs Sisters is a campaign book I'd like to see.

>>51318751
That may be fair, but I'd rather see the unit get improved than have to rely on band-aid formations to fix the worst flyer of 40k.
Also, hoping that FW releases formations soon, next IA?
If remoras can be taken in a flyer wing, can they be taken as an air superiority detachment? removing the need for an allied detachment to run them in a dawn blade contingent.