Warhammer 40,000 general /40kg/

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Dark Eldar master race reporting!

How would someone go about converting Terradon Riders into Deffkoptas?

I get sticking Orks in place of Seraphon, but I still need to attach guns/missile launchers to it. Not sure how to do that without making it look bad.

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Who's Alpharius?

>>51303167
I am. You are.

>>51303167
He's a pretty swell guy loyal to a fault really.

>>51303167
You look familiar

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R8 my 1500 Mechanised IG list?

I'm debating on swapping out some stuff in my list for a Termi Lord and termis, though footslogging/DSing them probably isn't a good idea, is it?

Also, I really like Warp Talons, but it seems like taking 15 Khorne Dogs for almost the same amount of points as a 5 man squad is a better idea?

Also, for Maulerfiends, what's better, Magma Cutters or Lasher Tendrils?

>>51303161
Well, you can potentially put the gun in the arms of the Ork. Toss a missile launcher over his back and say he fires it as needed.

Alternatively, you could try and mock up some leather straps to go around the wings, either with greenstuff, clever placement of bits, or good painting, and then strap the guns under it.

>>51303214
You have enough Heavy Bolters via the Chimeras. Have the CAD Vets take Autocannons and deploy them on objectives in your deployment zone to hold them while other things move up. Autocannons have better STR and range so they're better suited to doing this than heavy bolters.

>>51303218
DS termies is better than footslogging, but mainly for combi-weapons blasting something as they come in. A Lord with his assault abilities is a bit wasted there. You'd need a land raider to deliver them for that, and at that point it's a bit wasteful.

Warp Talons aren't the best. They're better in Khorne Daemonkin where they get both Daemon of Khorne and Mark of Khorne, but if you really want them, the new formation with a lord and 3-5 units of Raptors and Warp Talons is the best option. If you mix a good amount of both squads, they can assault out of Deep Strike, which allows Warp Talons to actually function as intended.

Magma Cutters are typically better on Maulerfiends so they can eat tanks.

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>>51303151
I've decided to finally get into 40k and I'm really liking the Dark Eldar models and lore. Is it true that their rules are shit-tier? Will I lose every game?

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>>51303167
We're all Alpharius here, brother.

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>>51303218

>tfw can't take a Hellcult inside a Murder Talon

>>51303257
Oh, I forgot to mention that I am playing KdK.

>>51303276
>Is internet hyperbole true?

What's the best way to upgrade the tau half of the killteam box?

>>51303276

Some great players have proved that Dark Eldar have what it takes to kick ass, but they're not very forgiving to noobs. Their rules are a bit outdated but they can still fuck shit up. Also who knows you might end up on top or something.

>>51303295
SMS turret
That's it

>>51303161
Use ork bike bits?
Give the gun to the boy?
Add a turret with a strap?
many ways to do this, anon.

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>>51303282

Even in death I am the night!

>>51303306
SMS?
I do not know tau units, can you please enlighten me?

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>>51303109
It got deleted and I'm going to sleep.

>>51303317
Smart missile system. It's the missile pod with two rows of missiles instead of one.

It's a good pick because it's S and AP match that of the guns of the unit carting it around, so it doesn't create a schizophrenic unit that has to choose between snapping off some high S shots at a target the rest of the squad can't hurt or blowing shit up with their sexy guns. It also ignores LoS and fucks cover, so there's that.

>>51303285
Hmm...footslogging termies might be a bit better then. If I recall, the World Eaters formations in Traitors Hate can give a benefit that lets all your non-vehicle units move 2d6 for free after deployment is over. Then, you can give the lord a Talisman of Burning Blood, which will let his unit Move and charge an extra 3"

That's 7 before the game, 9 on the first move phase, and an average charge range of 10". That can slam you right into the enemy deployment zone first turn.

I'm not sure if those formations can apply to Khorne Daemonkin though, so take this with a grain of salt.

Using KdK does mean your Warp Talons will be better though.

>>51303318
I-I liked it, Anon.

>>51303350
Can't use those, sadly. And I'm gonna paint my dudes in the 30k WB scheme that looks like Flesh Tearers for some reason

My current problem is that a 7 man Warp talon unit is 8 points more than 15 dogs, and after taking your advice and removing the lasher tendrils, as well as ichor blood from my daemon prince, that leaves my list at 1465 points. Would it be worth it to remove some dogs and/or a maulerfiend to fit them in, or keep my list as is?

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>>51303368
tanks, bro.

>>51303394
Might be better off with the dogs, I think. I'll be honest, I don't know Khorne stuff very well. I mainly run Slaanesh.

You could try squeezing in a smaller squad of Warp Talons to see how you like them, but it's really up to you there.

>>51303214
Also this >>51303248 anon again.
Drop Carapace armor from the CAD Veterans and give them camo cloaks. Park them in ruins and they got a 3+ save. Unless you have some sneaky plan for the Primaris Psyker, I'd say maybe drop him and get guns for the rest of your vets and the command squad.

The reason I think dropping the Grenadiers and having the CAD Vets sit back is because without a transport, footslogging vets are just going to die. Not to mention with a heavy weapon, they're better off staying back and not moving.

Can an abhuman become a space marine?

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What are you up to /tg/?
Figured out my list for my 3k game was actually under that by 300pts which sucks.
But tell me about your games /tg/ and all of the hobbying you've been doing lately.

>>51303435
no

>>51303421
Here's my list so far to show you what I have exactly.

1500 Khorne Daemonkin V2

HQ
-Daemon Prince, 160
+Daemonic Flight, 40
+Warp-forged Armor, 20
+Goredrinker, 30
+Collar of Khorne, 15
Total, 265

Troops
-2xChaos Space Marines, 130
+2 marines, 30
+9xCCW, 18
+Lightning Claw, 15
+2xMelta gun, 20
+Icon of Wrath, 20
Total, 233 (466)

Dedicated Transports
-2xChaos Rhinos, 35
+Dozer Blade, 5
+Havoc Launchers, 12
Total, 52 (104)

Fast Attack
-3xFlesh Hounds, 240

Heavy Support
-3xMaulerfiend, 390

Complete total, 1465

A MSU squad of Warp Talons is 180 points for 5 man unit, but they seem pretty good with Warpflame strike, Rage/Counter attack, and Furious Charge. Dogs have Scout, Fleet,and move 12", iirc, since they're beasts, and are WS5 S4 T4 W2 I4 A2 Ld7 6+/5++ Fearless Scout Daemon of Khorne

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>>51303436
Just finished up work for tonight on pic related. I'll have to put it aside soon, though. Friend commissioned me for Celestine + Gemini.

>>51303436
I bought an Imperial Knight yesterday and built it. I'm gonna start painting it today so I can do the final assembly and use it in a game on Saturday, my first game in about a year. Which reminds me, can I just built my army by having a detachment like "1st company task force" of marines and then another detachment like "oathsworn" from the knights and still call it a legal list? I thought to take choices outside your primary army you had to have a specific allied detachment.

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>>51303436
I had a game today with a DE player who, despite playing at 1850pts, barely knew the rules and required constant explanation, clarification, and page-flipping.

I was playing an IG list I've been wanting to try while my Celestine is unpainted.

It took 4 hours to get through 2 turns and I just excused myself and said I had somewhere to be.

I'm all good for playing new guys, but lets start at like 1000 and work our way upwards.

>>51303276
Depends - what do you want from an army?
We helped some new Archon yesterday, and even tho i'm hungover, i can help for a bit

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>>51303436
Being bored since it's been raining all month which means I won't be able to paint my first models. So I'm just posting on here and asking about list advice, mostly.

>tfw had whole week off and was going to have fun painting my dudes I got for Christmas only for it to rain and the humidity to shoot up

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So, what should I be dropping/switching around to bring armor, if anything? The inquisitors themselves are non-optional (though their gear can change), the rest is subject to change. I'd like to stick with bikes though.

>>51303511
The allied detachment is just a less restrictive detachment to make it easier to field allies and still be battle forged. You can ally any detachment.

>>51303436
Started negotiating selling my existing army. Ran a play test of my new one before I start investigating and got reamed, bad. Painting is on hold till I decide what I want to downsize and what I want to keep.

Feels bad.

>>51303592
Post list, receive advice/shitposting

>>51303624
I already did. >>51303563 is the most recent revision. I've posted it in the past three threads, too, including first post of last thread.

>>51303109
Why there is no Forge World in builder?

>>51303652
Oh you're that guy? Shit, no one wants to read that thing. I didn't even open it.

Use list builder and try again.

I don't know how people can actually read BL and still say Fall of Cadia is shit. Fall of Cadia may not be an award winning novel, but it's at least actually entertaining and a page turner. BL I can't even read a single page sometimes because the writing is so corny or cringey. Some of them read like something from fanfiction.net.

That said, what I've read so far of Fall of Cadia is basically just Imperials slowly being wrecked.

>>51303668
List Builder didn't exactly work when I still had a lot of Forge World in it.

Zero attention span though, I see

>>51303664

Because the builder is fucking garbage.

>>51303276

The memes aren't entirely true, they're in a bad place but they can still pull off some stuff thats unique to them

the real problem isn't that they're bad but rather that they're completely unforgiving, they're probably the second hardest army to use properly on the tabletop (harlequins are the hardest because they're basically Deldar on roids) and as a result they're not new player friendly

you can't just point and kill like you can with tau for instance

What should I expect when facing a Space Wolves army?

>>51303763
Wolf and Wolf Accessories.

>>51303522
i agree totally, ive only been playing for about 4 months now and i've mostly played 500 to 750 games just to get the ideas before major strategy comes into play. it's not really the kind of game to just jump into and expect to undestand.

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>>51303664

I can add FW

>>51303680
that's what happens when you are outgunned and outnumbered with no options for retreat.

>>51303763
AWOOOO

>>51303763
doggos

>>51303680
That's because they literally hire fanfic writers. I'm not even joking, you send in your fanfics to apply.

>>51303792
If you can tell me, off the top of your head, what the stat line of your basic troop is you are several steps ahead of this guy.

>>51303680
>>51303824
This is true, but i'd still like to write for them since i feel i could offer interesting takes on the setting

so why does cawl get access to the mechanicum triaros armoured conveyer in 40k when its a horus heresy model, seems like hes using the wrong models to me.

>>51303436

Nothing, and I feel terrible about it. I have finished one model recently and based another of a different army. Meanwhile, I have a backlog of primed models for 2 more armies.

I can't even play because no none plays here anymore.

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Help, I'm not good at list

>>51303792

Honestly, in find games in the 750-1250 range to be the most fun.

>>51303826
well, since i play skitarii thats pretty easy since its
ws 3 bs 4 t3 for both and then varying levels of wounds and attacks depending on if they are the alpha

>>51303845
yeah the first couple were real stomps against me cuz i didnt know what i was doing but now that ive figured some of the stuff out they have been closer and more about 1 or 2 important dice rolls.

>WS
2

>BS
3

>S
2

>T
2

>W
1

>I
2

>A
1

>Ld
5

>Save
-

Guess the Unit, /tg/ and post your own for people to guess.

>>51303680

Like 99% of the BL books are absolutely shit tier and even romantic novels written for middle aged women have better prose.

>>51303763
Most likely wulfen, twc and barkstars with runepriests. And a fat bearded autist.
Or a normal guy that's not a minmaxin furryfucker, but the odds are against you. Also, probably racist

>>51303888
Gretchins

>>51303905
We're all racist here in Finland, and the guy I'm playing is the worst kind of tournament player.

>>51303905
>tfw I'm the second
:^^^^^)

>>51303888
Grot or blue horror

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>>51303912
>>51303920

Correct! It was grots.

The new Fall of Cadia army list system is basically taken directly from Age of Sigmar General's Handbook.

Good or bad?

>>51303913
So wulfen and twc or wolves and casters.
SW are strangely powerful psykers as well...

>>51303928
Pls explain?

>>51303485
Flesh Hounds of Khorne on the charge will give you 12 S5 attacks, with a 5++ and 2W. But they are 80 points for the unit and are VERY fast, being able to scout and move 12" for being a Beast, as well as having Fleet.

Warp Talons have 26 S5 AP3 Shred attacks on the charge and 5 S4 HoW attacks if they use their jump packs to charge. Warp Talons are 3+/5++ but only 1 wound and 180 points. If they deepstrike within 6" of an enemy unit they must take a blind test. But since you can't assaul the turn you deepstrike and the Blind effect lasts until the end of your opponent's next turn, that means that they're back to full WS and BS on your turn, iirc. They cannot ignore dangerous terrain and do not have assault grenades, so charging into dangerous terrainmakes them I1, unless there's something I missed, iirc.

In fact, looking at it now, Raptors seem like a much better choice than Warp Talons, as they can charge into dangerous terrainas they have grenades, and an Icon of Wrath will give them Furious Charge for 2 points. The only problem is that they won't have the Daemon of Khorne rule for the 5++, nor dual Lightning Claws for AP3 Shred. However, they can take special weapons that do not replace their bolt pistols and ensure that they keep their +1A from CCW and Bolt Pistol.

So now the question is Flesh Hounds of Khorne, or Raptors?

>>51303928
What
No
Why

>>51303928
Good.

>>51303928
Bad
40k Sigmarization soon.

>>51303804
Let us know when you can add Rapiers and Sicarans.

>>51303939
>>51303933

You can take a lot of factions easily in one detachment. That's all.

>>51303953
Thats pretty cool

>>51303953
Basically Grand Alliance Imperium

>>51303953
the ad mech one at least makes the two books one standalone army like it should be which is nice.

>>51303436
Just finished washing some termagaunts and will probably be finishing them up tomorrow ill post pics then

>>51303960
>>51303963
>>51303976

Which is why I think it's good.

>>51303928
>Good or bad?
Good, but largely irrelevant because of how loose army building already is. Were this fourth edition I'd say it was a step forward from the X-hunter books.

>>51303844
That's a correct assertion

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>>51303953
It's Imperial Super Friends. I like it. It's fun.

>>51303988
Also on the note of painted termagaunts i was following St Duncans videos and it seems that after washing them you cant see any difference between pre washed and post washed minis once he goes over it with the base coat again. is it suppose to be that way or am i just crazy.

>>51303976
Except the single detachment is shit and you're still better off taking either Maniple/Battle Congregation or War Convo.

>>51303888
WS: 2
BS: 2
S: 6
T: 7
W: 6
I: 1
A: 2
Ld: 5

Sv: +3

Is forgeworld allowed?

>>51303976
No it doesnt, since you need like 4k+ points to give everything Canticles.

War Convo is still the only way to really play AdMech as one army.

>>51304048
its a step in the right direction though, maybe meaning that they get one book in 8th ed instead of 2

>>51304065
Very true.

>>51304065
It is literally no different from running them in their individual Detachments except that you lose all the Skitarii Maniple/Battle Congregation bonuses for some shitty bonuses to vehicles which Cult Mech don't even have.

It's pointless outside of running tons of Imperial Knights.

>>51304092
i didnt say it was perfect i said it was a step in the right direction.

>>51303879

Just keep playing then. You'll get better.

I miss the days when I could just play all the time.

Are electro-priests really unusable?

>>51304140
They mostly just need to be more mobile. If they ever get transports, they'll be good.

>>51304140
not unusable, just really overpriced and not fast enough to footslog

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>>51304019
How do I fix this? I'll be fighting a MEQ army and my opponent won't be shy about cheesing it, so I won't feel bad about asking for advice.

>>51304140

If you get 20 and manage to get them into combat with some scout/escape hatch/allied land raider shenanigans somehow theyre really ferocious. Ive considered getting some for casual games, but really theyre like cultists trying to assault until they actually get into combat.
Also, fuck gw for forcing people to use them with the new formations... at least give them a useable formation of their own.
Still waiting for a real decurion with auxilliary formation slots...

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How's my Kill Team, mateys?

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Tyranid rehaul when?

>>51304194
Looks pretty nifty got any pictures of your dudes?

>>51304108
And I'm explaining that if people actually take the time to think about it and weigh the options it's not, it's a step backwards.

The only viable options for single AdMech armylist is War Convo or Conclave Acquisitorious, but Conclave is both less powerful and more restrictive in terms of what you can take.

>>51304212
Not yet, I'm planning on using a kill team as a start to a DE army. Now that the raider/kabalite box exists it seems as good a time as any.

>>51304140
>>51304155
Pretty much this. They're perhaps a tiny bit overcosted but if they had transports they'd be plenty usable.

>>51304209
Almost exactly 1 year from now.

Screencap this.

>>51304057
Big Squiggoth

>>51304209
Never frog posting anon, We are the second NPC faction behind the orks. So we get to be slightly better than them but worse than all the other races.

>>51304246
Won't be the case next time.

>>51304173
How many points? I asume not 1330.

>drive around in Rhino
>suddenly Rubricae show up
>psyker dude blows up Rhino with epic memebolt
>Rubricae scythe down my dude with those free AP3 bolters they get for no reasons

When will these fucks get nerfed? They barely cost more than Riptide despite doing four times as much damage.

>>51304254
1,500 was what we were aiming for. I could get a 5-man devastator squad with lascannons for extra anti-tankyness.

>>51304262
I don't have a baitfish picture intense enough to capture this moment.

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So how badly would the other factions be fucked if Slaaneshmas actaully happened?

>>51304265
If you're going to use melta-vets consider drop pods rather than Razorbacks. Gets you close to your target safer and easier.

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>>51304262

>>51304275
Well it happened to the Orks and they got wrecked, so very fucked.

>>51304038
Wash stays in the grooves, recesses and such.
It's not supposed to change the surface colour, just add contrast to detail.

>>51304308
Wait, when?

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How would you rate this 1000-pt. mainly mechanized Blood Angels army?

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>>51304262

>>51304357
War of the Beast, Iron Warriors and Imperial Fists fought together.

>>51304302
Unfortunately I don't have drop pods. Should I equip the vets differently?
Come to think of it, I think drop pods is the only unit aside from the flak tanks I don't have.

>>51304358
no drop pods / 10

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>>51304038

>>51304038
he touches the model up with thinned base paint before the highlighting

>>51304383
I'll keep an eye out for some.

I have the option of buying them new for EUR 24,70/$ 26,37. Not sure if it's a particularly cracking deal.

Is there a PDF for Fall of Cadia yet?

>>51304418
yes

>>51304420
Can I have a link?

>>51304392
is that gloss nuln oil?
either way, if you want free magic smooth surfaces. Cover your models in vallejo airbrush thinner, it will remove all brush streaks and wash transition lines

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>>51303109
>The Black Library (Be wary of Alpharius)

>>51304428
Just regular Nuln Oil.

>>51304380
>Pre Heresy

Doing a 250 point 'campaign' with some mates, points escalating up to 1750 in the last battles.
What's the most effective csm list I could take?

>>51304452
>He thinks War of the Beast was pre-heresy

M32 matey.

>>51304427
no

>>51304459
Oh yeah
Still not modern 40k i suppose

>>51304456
I'm taking 5 rubric marines and 5 standard csm for now, but I'm open to anything
I'll be vsing skitari, csm, necrons and another csm army if that's any help

>>51304468
>I'm taking 5 rubric marines and 5 standard csm for now
Are you married to the idea of Thousand Sons, or would you be down for alternatives?

>>51304456
Riptide, nothing more

How do you guys deal with crushing, tabling defeat? My Tsons/Tzeentch Daemonkin got pretty much wiped to a Black Templar Army in a game that took 3+ hours and I lost the game by a huge amount of points. It was mostly bad tactics on my part but I still felt really bad about my dudes, I always feel like I'm letting them down. It also kinda stops me from wanting to paint and build and stuff.

How do you guys go about getting out of these slumps if you get them at all?

>>51304486
Post the list

>>51304462
Why would you do this to me?

>>51304479
I've only got 1 squad of rubrics, but my hq will be the rubric sorc eventually in termy armour and with a unit of termies attached to him

>>51304468
Also, are you guys playing an objective game or a killpoint game?

>>51304486
Think over the game, analyze your mistakes, git gud.

Also, post this list and give us a brief rundown of what happened so we can help you git gud.

Used Belirsarius Cawl for the first time in a game last night night. He's a beast, a huge distraction carnifex, took a ridiculous amount of firepower but thanks to his 2+ / 5++ / 5+++ (5+++) he survived and made his points more than back.

He had a bodyguard of 20 Vanguard either side of him and with the utterance of neutralisation in effect they were gunning shit down like crazy.

My exasperated opponent (quite rightly so) spent 2/3rds of the match complaining about powercreep, points etc

So Im pretty new to 40k, only played 2 games so far and Im wondering what to get next for my Tau army
Right now I have;
>ethereal
>2 cadre fireblades
>3 Fire warriors teams (strike)
>2 stealth teams
>1 crisis team
>1 hammerhead

>>51304486
By trying again, I suppose. Took some pointers from more experienced players on listbuilding and especially tactics.

Rating lists' potential is fun, but it's all useless if your distraction units don't distract, anti-armor units only get blobs of infantry in their sights, etc.

>>51304486

Because I don't give a shit how good or bad the models I like are.

>>51304480
I wish. I think one of the opponents is taking one >>51304497
We are playing it similar to the DoW dark crusade where each battle is different, combination of kill points and objectives

>>51304499
>My exasperated opponent (quite rightly so) spent 2/3rds of the match complaining about powercreep, points etc

He's retarded for playing faggots who would pick armies like Mechanicus, Tau, Eldar, or units like Cawl.

>>51304499
Same thing just happened with me and Celestine. Just her and a 5-girl Seraphim Squad kept an Eversor from being useful all game (though my opponent rolled well so Eversor never actually died). Afterward, we had a long discussion about whether Celestine is undercosted or not.

>>51304512
I recommend one more Crisis Team and one more Hammerhead, that'll give your army more flexibility and fire support.

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>>51304525

>>51304512

1-3 Riptides
1-2 Stormsurges
1+ Skyrays
Longstrike for your HH
More XV8 teams
XV88 Broadsides
A squad of Kroot
XV85 Commander
Markerlight Drones

>>51304531
i got one of thoses for chrismas.

damn thing didnt even work

>>51304489
-Grand Coven
Sorcerer, Terminator Armor, 2ML, spell familiar
-Sorcerer, bare
-Rubric squad, rhino
-Rubric squad, rhino
-Scarab Occult Terminators, bare

-Allied Tzeentch Daemons
-Lord of Change, Paradox, 3ML
-Pink Horrors, bare
-Pink Horrors, bare
-Burning Chariot of Tzeentch

It was mostly intended just to be fluffy, I didn't expect to win but losing that badly made me feel so awful

>>51304518
>We are playing it similar to the DoW dark crusade where each battle is different, combination of kill points and objectives
That sounds fun. Do you know which kind this battle's going to be, or are you guys rolling for it? I have list ideas for you, but it would help to know if you need to be taking points or taking skulls for the skull throne.

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>>51304525

>faggots who would pick armies like Mechanicus

Are you so bad at this game you find Mechanicus a difficult army to face?

So I'm building my Skitarii right now and I'm wondering if it's best to paint their arms seperately? Like build the legs, body, backpack, and head, but leave the arms off. They seem to obscure the chest a lot.

I've never painted something off-model so this seems a little silly to me. How am I supposed to hold it up? Toothpick and blu-tac? Is this even worth the effort?

Also, why the hell are Dragoons literally point-per-dollar? They're 55 point units that cost 50 bucks a piece. What fresh hell is this.

>>51304536
Could i also have the point limit in what you're playing?

>>51304542
Each 'tile' on the campaign map is a different fight i believe

>>51304536
We played objectives, I thought my LoC would do a lot better but even with all his dakka he couldn't stop my rubrics from being charged and fucked. My terminators mishapped and died while trying to land on a point and my pink horrors got shot to death from deep-striking terminators on his side. He also had an ungodly amount of terminators so none of my stuff was very effective to begin with, it just started spiraling down until the only guy on the field I had was my LoC who he hasn't bothered to shoot

do you guys use / bring your own fortifications a lot at your games or do you just use the terrain?

>>51304557
Is the map going to be smaller for the lower-costed battles or is it 6'4' no matter what?

>>51304556
1400

>>51304578
>1400
Why not 1500 lmao? But ok gimme like 5 mins

>>51304575
Scaled up depending on points I'm assuming

>>51304512
Consider a Devilfish to help your Fire Warriors get about the battlefield, or some Pathfinders for extra markerlights.

>Play Tau
>Try my fucking best not to be cancer
>Don't run Riptides
>Don't run Stormsurges
>Don't run Tidewall
>Don't run OSC
>Don't abuse Markerlights
>Run a reasonable amount of Crisis Suits with diverse weaponry

>Everyone I know either plays tank column IG, tanknaught SM, Eldar skimmers+air, mech Chaos, Skitarii, or Knights
>I literally have to choose between being That Guy and never actually killing a model
Does anyone have a non-cancer Tau list? S5 rapid fire does fuck all to tanks unless I magically flank with foot infantry
I'm currently unironically using Sunsharks, XV25 Stealthsuits, and Railgun Pathfinders and people are STILL complaining at me

>>51304512
>>51304533

Forget this guy, just buy 5-10 riptides. It's the Tau TEQ, you're pretty much required to have them

>>51304486
ive been playing csm for years. i havent won a real game since 7th dropped. seriously...
play mostly sw, tau, necrons, da, de.

>>51304554
never pay full GW price for models

>>51304583

He told me it was to avoid netlisting

>>51304594
Did you remember your Haywire grenades?

>>51304575
I meant 6'x4'.

>>51304568
>We played objectives, I thought my LoC would do a lot better but even with all his dakka he couldn't stop my rubrics from being charged and fucked.
Spec you LoC to be a support and/or summoning caster rather than offensive. That'll also help since BT have Adamantium Will.

>My terminators mishapped and died while trying to land on a point and my pink horrors got shot to death from deep-striking terminators on his side.
Bring Chaos Icons to help with Deep Striking. Dealing with enemy deep strikes like that can be difficult, though having a support-psyker can help with that as well. Also, if the enemy has deep striking/outflanking units that worry you, make sure to keep your dudes in cover from the rear, place them in areas of dense terrain, and/or keep something killy in your backline to murder the enemy once they show up.

>He also had an ungodly amount of terminators so none of my stuff was very effective to begin with, it just started spiraling down until the only guy on the field I had was my LoC who he hasn't bothered to shoot
If you're in a situation like this, my advice is to stop focussing on killing his guys, and instead do what you're good at. If your opponent brought units that you simply can't kill, then odds are their numbers are too low to reliably take/hold objectives or establish map dominance. Use that against him. For this guy in particular, make a mental note to bring more anti-TEQ when fighting this guy. Things like Vanquishers and units with Dreadnought-close-combat-weapons will make mince-meat of his dudes.

>>51304588
Give me a sec and I'll post some list ideas for you.

>>51304512
Overpowered Tier:
>Riptide
>Stormsurge
>Ghostkeel in an Optimized Stealth Cadre

Great Tier:
>Crisis Suits
>HQ Crisis Suits
>Tetras
>Broadsides
>Solo Ghostkeel
>Pathfinders

Good Tier:
>Skyrays
>Hammerheads
>Stealth Suits
>Piranhas + Drones
>3 Razorshark

Avoid At All Costs Tier:
>Kroot/Vespids
>Sniper Drones
>Air in general
>All Ethereals
>Non-jetpack infantry
>Devilfish

Figure out how much you want your friends to hate you and pick accordingly

Are infantry gunlines viable?

>>51304642
For when you want the game to drag on for 8 hours?

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>>51304600

Yea, this hobby is so damn expensive. Like, its GW´s fault you spend your money, expensive. And especially if you ignore going outside your little bubble and look at other hobbies. Then.. .then its damn expensive! Like collectors Barbie for instance, that costs around $100-$800 for a fucking doll, don't look at shit like that and keep focusing on how expensive this hobby is....

I cant keep this up any more. Stop being a lazy bum anon, get a job, and take responsibilities for your own economy. No one is forcing you to buy this stuff, no one is forcing you to engage a hobby. To spend on luxurious products such as a hobby, can and will almost certainly cost money, hell... even Barbie proves my point.

>>51304654
Thank you! I really appreciate the help anon! Praise Lord Tzeentch!

>>51304673
When I said a horde of Orks, I meant it.

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>>51304606
>implying you can't netlist at any points level
Fool

Frankly just ask him for the extra 100 points

>>51304666
Tau and Necrons absolutely excel at these, IG can also do this with decent effectiveness as long as they have some form of support

>>51304677
This shit really is expensive though. You get double the detail and double the detail with historical tanks compared to GW's shitty 30 point rhinos for 33 euros.

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>>51304686
>Playing Necrons as Gunline
You lack...IMAGINATION

>>51304654
Thanks man

>>51304683
Oh thank you! You guys are making me feel a lot better already! Thank you both for the advice and help!

>>51304691
Historical models have a an actual, full-scale tank to copy.

If you're designing a fictional space fantasy tank with the express purpose of making scale models, of course you're not going to go overboard on 'realistic' details.

They're overpriced as fuck, but I don't think it's fair to compare them to historical models when it comes to the level of detail.

>>51304710
No problem
If you're still a bit meh about tactics, go watch the numerous battle reports on yt

>>51304600
Don't get the wrong idea Anon, my point was that the MSRP is nearly the exact point cost of the model, which is kinda crazy in and of itself. The cheapest I can generally find a Dragoon is about $38? Somewhere in that ballpark. Still not exactly the best deal for a unit I'm going to need multiples of.

>>51304679
>>51304673
>>51304642
Now this is a WAAAAAGH!

Battle Of Wits style

I'm going to design a tyranid with 8 limbs and there is nothing you can do to stop me /tg/

>>51304758
Don't do that.

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>>51304594
Well, if you're fighting SM or Eldar, their army is just as cancerous as yours, so feel free to go all out. For the others, I would advise bringing Hammerheads and Barracudas to give you a decent firepower boost without edging into cheese territory.

>>51304666
Yes, though it is more complex than you might initially think. Basically, a successful gunline has three components:
>1. Line Troops
These are your entrenched Infantry, armed with medium-to-long range weapons. They serve two purposes: damage absorption and volley fire. Their job is to ensure that nothing wanders through the middle of the board without getting shot to hell.
>2. Heavy Support
These give your gunline reach and heavy firepower. Basically anything with long range and high Str/AP weapons. Their job is to murder anything your Line Troops can't reach, as well as neutralizing enemy threats that they can't kill.
>3. Skirmishers
These are fast-moving units who harass the enemy and run out to capture objectives.

I've run this set-up with both Tau and Death Korps and it almost always works.

>>51304758
4 legs and 4 cocks?

>>51304658
I would argue that the last tier there is basically a more 'meh' tier, save for maybe Vespids.

I mean, even a Tau army made up of only stuff in that Tier is still going to be a pretty good force, especially when compared to some weaker armies.

>>51304691

And thats my point proven. You chose what to spend money on! No one is forcing you to buy a couch from IKEA, and only you can say if you think its worth your money or not.

I for instance find GW models extremely fun and engaging to both paint and assemble. I have tried historical miniatures before, and simply didn't find it fun to piant (no matter the details on them). And thats a personal opinion, which is totally fine, because its my money.

But we are wandering of the trail a bit here. You went from expensive miniatures to low quality in your debate. Both which are ludicrous, as my first post engages your first subject, and GW is one of the better multi part plastic model makers in the world, which in straight out quality means they produce pretty great stuff on a large scale (in terms of this very slim hobby). So they themselves engage your second opinion regarding quality. Had this not been the case, they wouldn't be as successful as they are in this market.
Now it might be you simply don't like GW, then simply get the fuck out of here, its that simple.

>>51304666
Somewhat, though depending on what you're playing they tend to be a bit boring in some ways. It effectively forces your opponent to walk at you and get picked off, and then see who manages to kill who first.

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>>51304658
>Air in general
Barracudas are pretty good. The rest isn't very good though.

>All Ethereals
This isn't 5th edition m8, Ethereals are pretty damn useful now.

>Non-jetpack infantry
Fire Warrior Strike Teams are arguably the most cost-effective Troops in the game. Their guns are absolutely murderous for their class, and thanks to 7th edition's "everyone can cap objectives" rules, you can just let them camp in the back line and gun everything down.

I want to start Rubric marines but don't know where to start? Can anyone please help post a somewhat playable army? All I hear about them is trash, but the players in my area are pretty friendly from what I have seen, so I might do alright!

>>51304691

Why the fuck would I buy historical tanks?

>>51304544
>implying War Convocation isn't a top army

It's another episode of "99% of /tg/ has no idea how to play 40k".

>>51304784
I didn't mean GW did bad quality models, I meant you don't get the same worth for your money. GW is overpricing their brand.
>>51304815
I buy them because I enjoy building and painting them.

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how the fuck do you manage to out of stock fucking paint?

>>51304822
>All mechcanicum is this single formation
its another episode of 'op is a dumb faggot'

>>51304832
They are getting rid of those bundles, it's a generic no longer available thing.

>>51304814
Everything is trash if its not OP

>>51304594
>Been playing Tau since I was 12 now 27 ignore the autists

>>51304815

Because anon´s an inbred hick who thinks he wins arguments regarding price on miniatures on a 40k thread by comparing it to historical wargames.

He simply wont ever understand that he himself is responsible for his own purchase, and that´s never going to change. Probably the same anon that posted that he thought a full 40k army should have the same cost as a regular videogame a few posts back. A fucking basement dwelling neckbeards that probably never bought any new models to begin with.

>>51304836
>mechanicum

>>51304842
shame. I would have liked the admech one.

>>51304836
>that formation isn't Mechanicus
>that wasn't a response to someone saying all Mechanicus armies were easy

It's another episode of "that one dumb shitposter who is too stupid to use the shift key".

>>51304822

I think most of /tg/ plays 40k just fine.

However autistic theoryhammer, mathhammer neckbeards screech about specific formations, units, money, points.

I really enjoyed that game
>Reeeeeee no you didn't you hated it and played badly with your bad army

I don't normally have that much trouble with mechanicum
>Reeeee Learn2play this war convocation netlist theorylist would destroy you!

You need to calm down and learn that CUNT doesn't have to be your default setting

>>51304856
>not want The mechniCUM in your mechniARSE
What are you gay?
i play 30k too much

>>51304862
It was a response to a thread where the op said that mechnicus is super op eldar teir, only played by WAAC faggots, and so to continue the meme:

It's another episode of 'some faggot who cant read good'

>>51304828

And then you simply don't need to buy it. If its your opinion that its not worth the money, just don't buy it.

I enjoy it because they produce great quality, all in plastic, great for conversions, and I think its worth the money. Now you could argue that you get 3 other models for each 1 of GW´s, but does it really matter if you still will enjoy the GW model?

>>51303151
I think you mean Darhk Aeldari.

>>51304822
>implying War Convocation isn't a top army
It honestly isn't. It's good to be sure, but it's not the auto-win button that people make it out to be. Yeah, free wargear is cool and all, but when you have to constrict your army comp as much as it makes you, you end up with a fairly inflexible force that can be beaten by a well-balanced CAD (or your codex's equivalent).

>>51304038

By go over with the base, you mean you touched up, not completely covered everything in the base again, right? You're suppose to leave the darker stuff showing in the recesses...

>>51304887
They're not called that.

>>51304898
They are now.

>>51304554
Can I get a bump for the advice on painting arms? Is it better to paint them separately, and if so, how?

>>51304908
No, they're not. They're getting a rename, but it won't be Dark Aeldari or any variation on that.

>>51304814
Basically you run the sekhmet thing or whatever and run magnus with 3 termie squads and then the blue horror formation (i forget it's name) and then run 3 tzeentch heralds.

You basically use termies as an anchor that wont get blown off the table while you summon.

>>51304848

Are they really that unplayable?
I was thinking it would be cool to just have a fun magic phase, but don't want to start up a GK army as one of my friends already picked up that team.

>>51304921
My dad works at Games Workshop and he told me they're getting renamed to Aeldari Ynneas

>>51304933
No, that's his point. /tg/ calls everything not OP trash. They're fine.

>>51304884
That of course depends on the quality. If you could get 3 similar quality models for the price of one GW model it means GW is overpricing their brand. Whether you care about them overpricing or not is irrelevant.
>>51304912
Basically, yes. You could paint them on the sprues which will make cleaning up a bit of a pain, or you could just hold the arms by the shoulder, paint the arm and then glue it on and then paint the shoulder piece. I think the most common way was to glue on the arms and leave the gun out, paint the gun separately and then put it on the model once it is finished. I'm not sure if you can do that with the modern models.

>>51304933
> Dude that posted above you here.
They're honestly a lot better than GK because you have cheaper infantry yet still get that sweet ml1 troop with built in invulns.

If your meta is just ap2/3 and gunlines they're your dudes

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>>51304678
>>51304700
Not sure which of you is the campaign guy, so I'll reply to both. Here's a list for capturing objectives. Stay out of combat with them unless you're confident in the kill, and zip around with your jump packs to take objectives. They've all got Mark of Nurgle, so they're harder to kill and force off objectives, and melta bombs in case the enemy brings vehicles.

>>51304936
of course he does

>>51304936
> Dad works at GW
> Browses /tg/
He must be so proud

I'm not even sure if I'm being sarcastic or not

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>>51304666
Absolutely.

>>51304933
If you wanna play a magic-focused army there's also Eldar or Tzeentch Daemons as options. You could also do some sort of combined Imperial army of Inquisitors/Sanctioned Psykers/Librarians thanks to Fall of Cadia.

Just something to think about if you don't necessarily want a MEQ army and magic is your primary concern.

>>51304943
Yeah that's the issue, the gun is attached and rather long. I've heard of painting on the sprue but that seems a bit annoying, since I'd have to somehow clean mould lines off of primed plastic or something? Painting them seperately does seem to be the better option.

Also, a guide I was reading recommended liquid green stuff to fill the gaps between the arms and the chest, and I did notice it's not quite a snug fit. Is this nothing but a meme or is it for real? I'd rather not shell out 10 bucks for something that's worthless.

>>51304965
> 1 pathfinder squad
Well I know my target priority

>>51304977
>1 pathfinder squad
Look again ;)
It should be the victory point pinata filled with delicious Ethereals

>tfw have 25 points left in my list and no idea what to do with them

>>51304987
I've never seen that formation used so I figured the ethereals would still be ICs

>>51304997
Post list.

>>51305011
1500 Khorne Daemonkin V2

HQ
-Daemon Prince, 160
+Daemonic Flight, 40
+Warp-forged Armor, 20
+Goredrinker, 30
+Collar of Khorne, 15
Total, 265

Troops
-2xChaos Space Marines, 130
+2 marines, 30
+9xCCW, 18
+Lightning Claw, 15
+2xMelta gun, 20
+Icon of Wrath, 20
Total, 233 (466)

Dedicated Transports
-2xChaos Rhinos, 35
+Dozer Blade, 5
+Havoc Launchers, 12
Total, 52 (104)

Fast Attack
-Raptors, 105
+5 Raptors, 95
+2 Meltaguns, 20
+Lightning Claw, 15
+Icon of Wrath, 15
Total, 250

Heavy Support
-3xMaulerfiend, 390

Complete total, 1475

>>51304997
> tfw you always have at least 6 points spare on a necron list

>>51305015
Take out the collar and add an villainous techmarine dude or whatever they're called

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>>51304949
Here's your killy list. The Vindicator kills anything big while your Noise Marines use their Salvo 2/3 Ignores Cover guns to kill any infantry.

>>51304965
So, as long as the enemy brings medium-heavy vehicles of any kind, they'll be fine.

>>51305031
No Warpsmiths in KdK.

>>51304554
yes
if you leave the legs off it helps a bit as well, but its hard to glue them back on after you add paint because they are such a snug fit

>>51305041
sheeeeit
Do they not want doctor octopus or something?

>>51305056
It is kind of weird to leave out. Warpsmiths have Flamers and Meltaguns, which fit well into an army that wants to charge, along with axes and extra attacks, things Khorne loves. They're also great for repairing Helbrutes, Defilers, Maulerfiends, and Land Raiders, which are all good for stabbing or getting dudes to the stabbing.

Now I also really want to see a Warpsmith on a Juggernaut of Khorne.

>>51305056
Daemonkin make use of enslaved doc ocs. Just not in battle.

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>>51304887

Sounds grimdark enough.

greyfax got that whole anita sarkesian look going on there.

>>51305076

ugly and alone?

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Remember when tyranids were playable?

(They were actually not very good in second edition, but at least their units actually had apparent purposes and they had weapons that actually did things.)

>>51304710

Dude.. you aint gonna win shit with 2 rhinos, termies and a loc. seriously just realise that you will lose every time and youre playing for the fun of the game.
Csm players that try to win just makes for a very sad and frustrating existance. Especially thousand son players.

>>51305090
>The Venom cannon was a S8 AP3 heavy 4 sort-of barrage

>>51305076
But she's not fat

>>51304784
dude fuck off with your shill. some items are blatantly overpriced, theres no doubt about it. And gw tries to force people to buy models they dont want to field with their formations.

>>51303109
why are the space wolves datacards no longer available

do they hate money?

>>51305031

No Warpsmith in Daemonkin.

>>51305113
The hell are Datacards even for?

>>51304855
i know you, youre a fucking idiot and you should stop posting here

>>51304921
Yes, it will. It wlll be the Shadow Aeldari of Neo-Commorragh

>>51305134
Nope.

>>51304921
>implying it won't be ieldara

>>51303693
>Zero attention span though, I see
The problem is less with our attentionspan than with your list being longer than it should for no reason
I opened it just by curiosity
>Scout
>boltgun
>Scout
>boltgun
>Scout
>boltgun
Don't you think something like
> 4x Scout
> boltgun
would both dramaticaly reduce the lenght of your list (making it less dreadful to dome anons) AND save everyone time reading it?

>>51303436
>But tell me about your games /tg/ and all of the hobbying you've been doing late

Finished painting my 1850 tau list last friday, had my first ITC tournament during the weekend which was really fun, came back to 3-0 my first matchups in a small store classic 40k tournament (1500, cad only, no low or forgeworld)

>>51305143
Yes. Start using Aeldari from now on.

>>51305166
Oh no, I like Aeldari for Craftworlders, it's just that DEldar aren't going to be called Dark Aeldari, so I have no idea what to call them yet.

>>51305120
unless you want to kill yourself everytime you draw objectives you have to have datacards

>>51305168
>it's just that DEldar aren't going to be called Dark Aeldari, so I have no idea what to call them yet.

Daru'chi

>>51305182
Darooji

>>51305107
Its pronounced THICC

>>51305107
>>51305087
just straight fugly

>>51305194
Darooji posterior reinventors

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>>51305207
You rang?

>>51304642
Why not just cut nobs and boys and bring a actual green tide?

>Creed is not religious
>mistrusts Celestine
>puts "faith" in his men and their arms

Is Creed a heretic?

>>51305194
Darooji sandstorm

>>51305254
He's a goddamn patriot.

>>51305177
Wait, so if I play Admech do I need Mechanicus cards or Skitarii cards?

>>51305263
Depends on your primary detachment.

>>51305263
No.
The datacards replace the core (1,1 to 1,6) maelstrom of war objective cards, and in the case of Skitarii and Cult Mech also include their Doctrina Imperatives and Canticles of the Omnissiah.

All of these tables and goodies are already in their codicies, the cards can just be more convenient than flipping through a book.

>>51305261
Patriotism requires religiosity towards the state religion

>>51304913
Anyone give the Sanctus Reach vidya a try yet?

Sofar review are pretty great with it being the truest 40k experience to date.

Only negative rewiews i found was limited factions, F list voiceactors an dclunky UI

Anyone have any ideas about the iron warriors tactics?
I haven't seen any list with these dudes yet but have always really liked them and are considering getting into them now.

>>51305251
Because that's what I want to use.

>>51305254
>putting your faith in the imperial guard
>heretical
no

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did you guys realise how little time creed was in his job and respectivly "famous"
he got command on the eve of the 13th crusade, right?
he - admittedly - hold the line what? a week? two? then cadia broke and he vanished, tho noone in the imperium can tell that he is -not- dead

I hope we'll see him soon again

>>51305289
Oblit troops, havocs in fortification with artillery, Vindicators out the ass.

That's the crunch

Also there's all the War(p)smith and friends formations.

>>51304974
Last I heard liquid green stuff was too liquid to fill any gaps. Someone used it to texture flat parts, but it's pretty worthless.

>>51305299
>he got command on the eve of the 13th crusade, right?
No? he became lord castellan shortly before the 13th crusade, but was in command of the 8th for a while before that ever happened.

He was also successfully lord castellan for an entire edition after the crusade resolved itself, before they turned back the clock.

>>51305310
Every time GW changes their fluff it makes me so very, very sad.

>>51305306
I'm sorry I have no idea where these rules are from I've only read the traitor legion supplements so far

>>51305299
He was a Lord General of Cadia sometime around 985.M41. He had several successful crusades done by the time the Abaddon rolled around.

Then he became Lord Castellan after the High Command got killed and stood for around 2-3 weeks.

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Rate my Ork scheme.

>>51305362
Goff/10

>>51305310
>he got command on the eve of the 13th crusade, right?
>he became lord castellan shortly before the 13th crusade

isn't that essentially the same?
and yes he was a very brilliant - eh company commander(?) of the 8th, but he wasn't the hero the was made in the latest Regimental Standart

and the time lines: well if eldrad would save the emporer one day no one would say: yeah, okay, but in the other time line he died on cadia

this is now the new canon and do not see the point in all the
>b-but actually...

>>51305354
okay, thats a fair point, I though he was "only" the commander of the 8th

>>51305366
He's supposed to be a Snakebite, but okay.

Does 40k have nukes or did they invent something better already?

>>51304358
Did you color shift your image so everything is red?

>>51305384
They're all the bloody same unless they're Bad Moonz, Blud Axez or other other blue gits

>>51305387
They have them, but they're not really used much. They have better.

>>51305387
Imperium got nukes.

And waaaaaay better stuff too.

>>51305367
It's all well and good to say how people would treat Eldrad if he suddenly became competent but he went from failing some other time, to failing with the Infinity Circuits.

The difference is Eldrad has always jobbed and most likely always will job. Creed was a character that had done well in the pre-existing fluff for a long time, then they re-wrote all the good things he did and replaced them with a disaster.

It's like all the HH fluff making the Emperor out to be a top level cunt and absolutely incompetent in order to change the fluff to how the writer wants it.

>>51305397
Deathskulls.

That just leaves Snakebites and Goffs.

Snakebites are different from Goffs.

>>51305362
Decent snakebite.

>>51305366
Goffs are mainly black tho

>>51305397
Blood axes are the other brown orks, it's Bad Moons that stand out in red.

>>51305387
The Deathstrike missile launcher is like a Tactical nuke launcher, and you can fit a vortex warhead to it to delete your enemy from existence.

>>51305412
> No speed freaks

>>51305421
Not a Klan.

>>51305387
A wide variety of weapons fit the definition of cyclonic torpedoes, and employ varying means of scouring the world's surface, from nucleonic fire to raw plasma. Whatever their method of destruction, the effect of cyclonic torpedoes is the same: the complete destruction of all life on the planet, its atmosphere burned away in a storm of fire and its oceans boiled to vapour, leaving it a barren rock

wtf is the little rattle in spray paints?

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>>51305447
Small ball inside to mix up the paint when you shake the can.

>>51305447
its a ball bearing so you can actually mix the paint

without it your paint would come out as either

1: only air
2: congealed gel paint

>>51305411
>It's like all the HH fluff making the Emperor out to be a top level cunt and absolutely incompetent in order to change the fluff to how the writer wants it.
I think most of the Emperor-being-a-massive-incompetent-cunt stuff is just the byproduct of shitty writing and poor editorial control. They have an image in their head of how they think everything is/should be, and they aren't really willing to rationally consider how their portrayals live up to it or alter things to achieve a better fit. It's why the fluff concerning Nikaea is such a mess; Nikaea comes out and bans all psykery for the legions entirely, forcing all the subsequent authors to just awkwardly write around it without ever coming out and saying that the Emperor made a massive fucking mistake. At this point the Space Wolves, Blood Angels, Ultramarines, Dark Angels, and White Scars have all openly flouted the disbanding of their Librariums.

>>51305447
A metallic, glass or plastic ball called a pea that mixes the paint when the can is shaken.

t. Google

>>51305261
A heretical Patriot.

>>51305411

>The difference is Eldrad has always jobbed and most likely always will job

Since when? One time was getting eaten by a literal God and even then it implied he was fine with his spirit stones still glowing. In Death Masque he didn't even fight anything. He swatted what's his face's shot out the way and only partially formed a God. Everything else is slapping Abaddon around, crushing titans with his mind, cucking Necrons dynasties and walking around Terra like he owned the god damn place.

>>51305460
>>51305456
>>51305454
Neat. thanks :D

>>51305465
t. Armchair priest

>>51305284
noun
noun: patriotism
the quality of being patriotic; vigorous support for one's country.
"a highly decorated officer of unquestionable integrity and patriotism"

>>51305254
As long as he gets results and at least gives lip service to revering the Emperor, nobodies going to give a fuck in the Imperium. Like the Ecclesiarchy just has to suck it up in regards to most Space Marines not worshipping the Emperor, since they still revere him and purge His enemies.

>>51305411
>Creed was a character that had done well in the pre-existing fluff for a long time, then they re-wrote all the good things he did and replaced them with a disaster.

But Creed only "had done well for a long time" was because the clocks stand still. And it was not cleared if the 13th crusade happend or not.
Creed got office and two weeks later(I don't know how long cadias surface was invaded) they stopped time and since then Creed was a "tactial genius" and stuff. Don't get me wrong I really love the old-tactical-genius-veteran-chruchill but that character just isn't that man (yet). He had (in the past) command over a company, or two, or twelve (I don't know what a "Lord General" does) but the defence of a whole world? That is new for him and he has just gone down a few weeks later after he did take this job.

That's a shame.

>>51305501
Lord General is the highest rank available inside the General Staff of the Imperial Guard, and one with a multitude of official designations. Not much is accurately known about this position as it appears flexible in nature, with the holders taking on the responsibilities assigned to them by their commander.

He ran the troops, while the High Command told him what to do.

>>51305475
>Since when?

13th Black Crusade (try 1). He failed to foresee that the Blackstone Fortresses were corrupted by a Slaaneshi intelligence.

-Maedrax. Thanks for awakening a whole Necron dynasty and getting a lot of Eldar killed

-Death Masque. You are pathatic for trying to dismiss it. Eldrad gambled the future of the Eldar race on single plan. A plan that he failed spectacularly in because he pulled a "Starbane".

-Failing to kill Abaddon in their duel which doomed the galaxy to an age of darkness

-crushing titans with his mind, cucking Necrons dynasties

We never saw him do any of these things. This is baseless stuff that act like codex entry filler. The "crushing titan" seer couldn't even foresee and take of a single Deathwatch company and its dreadnought.

Get out.

>>51305478
Creed lives in a theocracy. irreligiousness in a theocracy is anti-patriotism.

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Most recently updated guard list.
Using an Emperor's wrath Artillery formation and CAD
The Idea is this.

>Create firebase using Wyverns & Manticore for artillery support of units in field, preferably staying out of LOS or slightly concealed. Enginseer staying with artillery, not much else to do with him.

>Place CCS behind vehicles with Lascannon team peaking out, in order to get shots off at long range.

>Bubble wrap entire firebase with Platoon Command squad & 3 infantry squads.

>Place Heavy weapons teams in an area maximizing support of main column advance, obviously.

>Advance 2 Chimeras w/ vets up field along with Taurox for additional guns & Tank Command squad.

> Zip Vendetta into the fray early (officer of fleet support) and drop melta Scions near any armour or heavy units. Use vox from this squad to call in danger close FU on anything still alive.

I feel the combination of Twin linked & Ignores cover manticore shots are worth the minor tax of bringing an enginseer. And the wyverns are just ungodly good at killing any infantry on the field.
My real concern is Drop pods on my firebase & behind my tanks.

>>51305535
>Starbane
As in Bane from the batman movies or Bane from the comic.

>>51305550
What lists do you see this struggling against? Trying to make it an all comers list.

>>51305535
>The "crushing titan" seer couldn't even foresee and take of a single Deathwatch company and its dreadnought.

He DID foresee. But he was too ignorant to consider it was the string of fate that comes true.
I love Eldrad but Death Masque was just a big mess. imo in favor for the poster boys

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>>51305535

>awakening a whole Necron dynasty and getting a lot of Eldar killed

That... Never happened. He wiped out a tomb world before it could awaken, but couldn't stop the sector from awakening. At no point is it stated he awoke a dynasty. Don't talk utter shite.

Eldrad partially formed a God. That's not a dismissal, it's what literally happened. A shard of Ynnead now exists.

I also like how you spin kicking the shit out of the big bad out of the setting as a failure just because he didn't kill him.

Oh, and I like how all the stuff he did is dismissed as "baseless" despite being the codex entry for him. You can't really get more fundamental than codex entry. It's pretty much the bottom line on any character.

>>51305570
>He DID foresee. But he was too ignorant to consider it was the string of fate that comes true.

Like I said, he pulled a Starbane. He knew that the Deathwarch were coming to stop him and he saw that the way they are going to stop him is by manipulating time.

He dismissed this because he thought that the humans were too primitive to control time. Lo and behold, the Deathwatch had a stasis bomb with them.Eldrad is 10K years old. In all of his time fighting and wirking with the Imperium, not one did he see them use stasis bombs or any form of temporal weapons? This is just silly. Eldrad is senile.