Warhammer 40k General /40kg/

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First for Inquisition/Marines

>>51299055
What are the least and most obnoxious Wraithknigth variants?

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>>51299141
>sub 300-400 point GC belonging to Faction: Eldar

They're all fucking obnoxious you moron.

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what are the current powerlevels for armies?

>>51299141
Least obnoxious is the one where you build your entire army around 6 guardian/dire avengers squads in Falcons and don't take anything at all with a "W" in it's name.

The most obnoxious is where you take 6 of those forgeworld wraithknights with 10" rending blast weapons.

>>51299009
We cant control what we get either ( except if we order an emergeny package ), but we can see what they send us before we have the package.
If the store is out of plastic glue then she should be able to tell the HQ (Nottingham in my case ) that she lacks glue and they send it: Plastic glue is also an stock item, the system should recognize that she has sold X, so they send her more. Sometimes we also get stuff from other stores, who have an surplus.

Anyway, would you mind telling me which GW she works for ?

>>51299141
Most obnoxious

Scathach (Melta)
Sword

Still pretty damn obnoxious

D-Cannon
Skathach (not-melta)

Not really obnoxious though still a massive steal for the points

Starcannon

What are some good websites for bits in the US?

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Now we can make Bloodthirster a psyker, Fuck yea. Or even Culexus Assasin.

>>51299176
Sorry, not going to say. Don't want her in trouble if she's done anything wrong.

Last thing I want to do is piss off the LGS.

>>51299143
Don't forget

WIP content in the General

RP shitposting

Double generals

No subject or Subject in name field

>>51299179
Ebay.

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>>51299143
Yeah Felinids!

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Sigmar is a primarch and nothing will ever convince me otherwise.

>>51299203
dont worry, she wouldnt get into trouble, i am just a keytimer, but i can understand why you wont post that stuff on the internet,pissing her off would be a bad idea, right :D

I work in Europe, if her store is outside of Europe, then she has a different regional logistic centre, which would explain why mine is competent ( most of the time ), while her seems to be less competent. If she works in Europe, then i dont have an explanation why she cant do that

>>51298416
I swear I'm only pretending to be retarded on /tg/. In person I'm just some guy that only ever runs fully painted CAD, with the least broken lists I can possibly come up with. The rules lawyering shit where I bend the game over as hard as I possibly can never even sees the light of the tabletop.

I just fuck with RAW as a mental exercise, like finding the rules exploit that allows a Cataphractii Captain to take a bike, or pretty much anything really that results from geedubs being terrible at finding their own rules faults.

I mean for god sakes, my typical lists involve me taking 9 troop choices with two CADs. Even I'm getting annoyed that people have started recognizing me in real life by my models. It kinda makes me want to tone down the shitposting.

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>>51299168
>>51299175
>basic syntax
It's obvious the question is "in the set of Wraithknights, which ones are the relatively most and least obnoxious?"

It's like if someone asks
>out of double chocolate cake, carrot cake and lard cake which is the most fattening?
and you respond with
>lol they're all fattening :^)
>inb4 hurr but they are
That isn't the point of the question.

>>51299202

Only on a roll (or card draw) of 23 with specific battlezone rules. Because the warp is fickle. And fuck you.

Still, you'd have to bring the requisite models and roll or draw the right result to just a Khorne Daemon or Culexus who can shoot lightning.

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>>51299226
Felinids?

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>>51299363
Yes. Felinids.

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>>51299226

>>51299267
Then stop posting retarded stuff, man. I run CAD too, and I just like to have fun. If you're going to admit that they don't see the light of day, then just say that they're a joke/theoretical so anons won't needlessly sperg out over you.

>>51299382
Where is the animal control when we need it ?

>>51299174
>i am a netlisting shitlord

>>51299226
>>51299363
>>51299382

The fuck its this shit?

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Roast me boi

>>51299414
A felinid

A cat girl with an mg?

An israeli galil in 7.62, iirc.

>>51299421
>WB with either no or little summoning

For what purpose

Well /tg/ I might have just bought a new, unbuilt Khorne Lord of Skulls for $70 and have no idea if I will ever field the fucker. Anyone got a conversion guide for making it the FW Khorne Superheavy? I love the look of it, just hate it's ineffectiveness at the point cost

>>51299414
They're Felinids, a race of Sanctioned Abhumans with precisely 2 sentences of fluff in the actual canon. http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Felinid

Given that they're called Felinids, most of the 40k fandom basically portrays them as Catgirls/boys. Obviously they could be completely furry as well, but furries are a shit, so any portrayal of them in artwork is usually only 10% cat.

>>51299439
>1550
But why?

>>51299432
Get out your magical real of this general please

>>51299268

The question is pointless and stupid, so don't be surprised you get pointless answers.

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>>51299414

>>51299174
Eldar, CSM, Demons, Knights, Necrons, and most SM are doing well
Nids, Ork, Khorne, IG, Mech, and the older SM are having a hard time
Everything else is midling.

Not an opinion, btw. Based on data.

>>51299174
just go to frontlinegaming and look up the current ITC standings. it's not definitive because player skill isn't uniform across all factions (and, of course, 40k is a very high variance dice game so sometimes people just get fucked) but, still, overall you'll get a feel for what armies are popular and powerful in a competitive setting if you look at the competitive metrics.

the current season ends pretty soon, LVO is coming up in a matter of weeks now and I think they finalized the format/rules/FAQ for it

>>51299401
I just wanted to know the competitive meta
:(

IG buffs when?
I want my special characters, and Lumbering Behemoth back

>>51299492
My biggest problem with IG at the moment is that nothing really makes them original. Their statlines are garbage, they're high cost for what you get, and GSC renders them completely irrelevant because they can take all of the same things.

>>51299449
Thanks anon, I dont have a clue about that things exists
>>51299489
Yeah, its heresy

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>>51299521

>FW 2017 catalog has IG destroyer tank hunter listed
>cool, go to their website to order one
>they removed it

FW REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>51299528

IG should not be paying the same costs for equipment as Spess mareens FUCK YOU GW

>>51299554
You have my sympathy Anon.

>>51299528
They get Hellhounds and variants?

>>51299528

They get Veterans?

>>51299271
Play KDK. Roll 23 and you have Khornate Psykers!

>>51299554
>Look for FW for IA: Vol 1 (2nd Edition)
>Can't see it anywhere

Does that mean we're getting an updated book?

>>51299395
How else will he farm the (You)s he needs to live?

>>51299615
How about a Baronial court?

>>51299619

>Imperial Armour 13: War Machines of the Lost and the Damned.
Apparently it was missing some models (which FW discontinued) and will not come back due to this.

IA1:2nd Edition went out of print as well due to the same reasons. I guess that IA3:2nd Ed. (Taros Campaign) will go as well, because that book features even more missing units like the Kroot and many Tau vehicles.

>>51299619
In one of the mega?

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>>51299619
Emailed FW a couple days ago. Pretty much all of the IA stuff is gone.

Pick is the reply.

>>51299615

Well, ONE Khornate psyker character. Of course, with Word Bearers you can make one as well.

So is their a Fix bayonets order or did i just fever dream that?

>>51299629
But IA11 2ed has the Fire Storm, which has been OOP in like forever.

>>51299639
Also, they typo'd. What the fuck FW?

>>51299629
>>51299639
I really hope that we get a new guard book. I hope they keep rules for discontinued units. I really like my Salamander Scouts.

>>51299651

What do you remember it doing?

>>51299651
there*

>>51299626
Then you will have, super-heavy walker character psyker.

>>51299659

They do anything in your games?

>>51299055
>TFW you realise you've made half the fucking cover edits and general pasta.

I don't even care, so why am I up till 2 AM doing this?

>>51299667
Letting you shoot once and then charge in the assault phase

>>51299651
There's a tactical objective.

"Fix Bayonets!: Get a VP if you successfully charge in your turn."

>>51299679
You could call it a... Psycho-knight...

>>51299685

This is your legacy to the world.

>>51299682
I run a fluffy recon company. I use them in conjunction with Chimera vets and LR Exterminators.

They usually kill enemy transports and MEQs.

>>51299554
>>FW 2017 catalog has IG destroyer tank hunter listed
vanquisher?

I think my burst of motivation has died again already. Was getting near to finishing Kharn and a Lord of Skulls over a year in the making and suddenly I can barely find the energy to lift a brush

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>>51299709
No, this.

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>>51299709

>>51299710

I finally painted a Skitarii Infiltrator Princeps for my Kill Team. Not the best work, or even the best colorscheme, but I'm calling it finished. Now ten Vanguard and five Peltasts to go. And half a dozen conversion, objective, and stratagem models to go.

You can do it, it just takes time, effort, and coming back to it from a different angle. That Princeps must have been stripped three times already.

>>51299226
>>51299363
>>51299382
>>51299414
>>51299432
>>51299449
>>51299489
>>51299529
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iUuvHPr4BGk
>linking TTS shit
this is what you fucking furry faggots have brought me to

>>51299724
>>51299721
PTSD flashbacks to french TDs
Why have you done this

>>51299437
Wouldn't the daemon prince be able to summon well?

>>51299724
>that crooked barrel

>>51299724
>>51299721
space stug?

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Rate my list
any feedback would be appreciated.
For combat drop I'm dropping the bolter turrets in sentry mode, the command squad and 2 sky talons, with the command squad going first for the tracking beacon.
The preferred enemy is just there so I know that I can change it, I just set it to eldar since they're cancer.

>>51299763
Pretty much, its 160pts for a Heavy 1 Ordnance twin-linked lascannon. Comes in squadrons too.

>>51299750
The prince can, but with only it as a source of warp charges summoning limited to about 1 attempt per turn rather than casting as many of the summoning powers as possible

>>51299777
>an actual D-99 list

Nice

>>51299461
Hey man, 7.62 is a valid caliber. Unless you mean galils are in 5.56?

>>51299852
Good point

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>>51299226
>>51299363
>>51299382

>>51299143

Asking what list builder that is should be on there

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>>51298833
>>51298821
Ye I feel a bit stupid for those mistakes oops.

Hows this? Second try after reading through the codex again because I obviously missed a bunch the first time through.

>>51299897
What list builder?

>>51299920
battlescribe dot web40k dot hostrosterdot nicememewebsite dot me

My local GW is having a 200 point HQ free for all using Kill team rules next week. I asked how armies that don't have many single model HQ choices and was told to just buy another army's HQ. Luckily I have a assortment of other models to pull from so I'm trying to think of the dumbest thing I can run. A flying daemon prince came to mind, a herald of tzeentch summoning daemon but I don't know how well that technicality would go over. Also in my pool is a terminator sorcerer who could do much the same. Cawl seems tempting at 200 on the dot but I doubt I could get ahold of one and get it presentable by next week. Any suggestions?

>>51299911
Heavy weapon squads can only be taken in a platoon

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>>51299055
>This is what Tau players actually believe
http://www.advancedtautactica.com/viewtopic.php?f=52&t=25226

CSM player here. Are renegade knights any good? My regular SM opponent has a knight and it's rough. I've also heard that daemon knights are strong as well. What do you recommend?

>>51299911
You need to take an infantry platoon to take heavy weapons squads anon.

I'd also recommend putting special weapons on the veterans.

>>51299587

It's really just pistols. Marines pay 15 points for a plasma shot before they charge that also grants an extra WS/S/I4 attack in melee on a T4 model. It's not ideal, but you could make an argument. Sisters and IG pay the same price for a WS/S/I3 attack on a T3 model.

>>51299955
oh shit, same mistake again. I feel rather stupid right about now.

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>>51299421
Here is an edited list, is this better or worse?

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>>51299449
>Obviously they could be completely furry as well
>Could be
Anon, they are "Homo Sapien Hirsutus." Meet the Felinids is practically canon.

>>51299981
Its okay anon. I would recommend you read your codex again though.

>>51299651
There's a copypasta regarding that, IIRC. I thought the same thing too about guard when I first started, but no, there's not actually an order for it.

>>51300016
Kek, ye I'm gonna put some time aside and just read everything again. Twice.

>>51299963
There are 2 different forms of Chaos Knghts. There are the renegade knights, which is a build-your-own knight but can double up on any weapon and the FW Daemon Knights which are just the AoE MM one and the battlecannon one but can become daemons with an upgrade for each god. Both are good and kick ass

Anyone know where to find a scan of the Imperial Knight: Renegade board game rules? It's not in the Mega repos.

>>51299963
>CSM
Go with a renegade knight. It's a more cutsomizable knight.

>KdK
Daemon Knight of Khorne because he grants Blood Tithe.

>>51300047
It'll be second nature before long. Trust me.

>>51299968
Which special weapons would you suggest on the veterans?

>>51299933

Wrong list builder. The one in the OP

how does stealth work?

>>51299853
Why is a d-99 list such a surprise, I've got everything but the sky talons and the turrets, and was wondering how to make a 1850 list. Is it good?

>>51300062
Melta guns for killing vehicles.

Plasma guns and carapace armour (Grenadiers) for killing infantry.

>>51300073
6+ cover save in open, +1 cover save if you already have one, does not stack with itself, does stack with shrouded and other cover save improving rules.

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>>51300073

>>51300073
You blindfold your opponent, move your units and replace their location with markers.

>>51300119
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>>51300097
I appreciate all your input equally.

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>>51300086
Illegal Heavy Weapon squads removed, some special weapons added

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>>51299995
Amendment

>>51300152
Okay. I wouldn't recommend that you mix special weapons ever. Better to have dedicated anti tank and dedicated anti infantry.

Your heavy weapons teams are also going to be useless. Heavy weapons snap shot when they are moved. On top of that only 2 models can fire from the top hatch of the Chimera.

>>51300152
>Missile Launcher and Mortar team
Nah son, you want Autocannons. 5 points for 2 S7(?) AP4 shots means you can deal with light vehicles and medium/heavy infantry/MCs.

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>>51299962
Tau are honestly really cute, I want a tau army.

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>>51300210
>He doesn't read by lava lamp

I was reading the wikia about eldar and I found this
> The Harlequins embody an ancient secret that has haunted the Eldar since the Fall, for they alone know the secret of how to deny Slaanesh's claim upon their souls without resorting to the use of the Eldar Paths, Spirit Stones, or the Dark Eldar's Thirst for pain and agony.
What exactly is the harlequins secret? It didn't specify

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So let's pause a second here.

What happens when a unit firing out of a transport Gets Hot!? Can a unit even get hurt inside a transport, or does it allocate to the vehicle somehow? Is it randomly allocated among the shooters like the open-topped template thing, or do you designate which models beforehand? If the gunners are cooking like a Sherman and enough of them die to trigger a rout test, and they fail, what happens then? "Unable to move" instant sexplosion for the whole unit? Emergency disembark Fall Back maneuver?

>>51300261
You both asked and answered that question. It's a secret.

>>51300195
>On top of that only 2 models can fire from the top hatch of the Chimera.
The neat thing about HWT is that they count as one model for the purposes of firing out the top hatch. In case you had an immobile chimera for some reason.

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How does this look?

>>51300270
Gets hot! hits the guy firing it. Units inside transports are fearless.

>>51300304
Thats true but you have 3 weapons you want to fire out of the top.

>>51300261
They never outright state it, but there's suggestion that they sell their souls to the Laughing God instead.

>>51300326
Oh no, not me. I told him before not to stick HWT in vets as they'll be useless. I mean, maybe he can park on an objetive and be okay, but he's got some work to do before that list is ready. Definitely needs to differentiate plasma vets from melta vets.

>>51300261
The Eldar killed their own gods because of their hedonism poured all their beliefs away from them and into Slaanesh which allowed the Chaos God to devour and destroy the pantheon as this belief in absolute hedonism coalesced into a God and gave the Eldar souls to Slaanesh, Cegorach was spared because in this culture of excess the Eldar still believed in him so his followers were also spared from being devoured as Cegorach claimed the souls of the Harlequin.

>>51300283
>>51300328
Aw that's sucks. Guess they'll reveal it when they have a way to make money off it

>>51300353
I was just meaning in general regarding the list. Still 3 models shooting from a 2 model hatch.

>>51299962

Did you really need further proof that Taufags are enormous faggots?

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>>51300195
Hows this?

>>51299639

They are removing IA because GW won't let them sell books that contain rules for models they don't sell. Any IA that has a model in it that FW discontinued will also get its IA book discontinued.

>>51300398
>GW won't let them sell books that contain rules for models they don't sell

Better not get rid of my nigga Silas Alberac.

>>51300152
If I were you I'd run them as plasma vets in an Emperor's Blade Assault formation supported by a recon company, something like:

>Emperor's Blade Assault
Company Command Squad in Chimera, plasma/melta is optional but great

-3x Vets in Chimeras with plasma/melta guns

>Recon Company
2x Armored Sentinel Squads (3 Sentinels each) with Autocannons

>>51299937
Celestine, or a flying DP. Cawl by himself isn't all that.

>>51299962
People were saying the same thing about Orks taking Celestine's relics last thread and nobody flipped a shit at them.

Does anyone know anything about Gangs of Cormorrant, or whatver?

>>51300308
>duel wielding plasma pistols
hilariously impractical
I love it

>>51300452
Not impractical when firing at full BS in overwatch.

>>51300427
That's because an Ork looting living Saint Wings and a bunch of Imperial Relics is fun, and Orks kind of need the help anyway.

Tau don't really need the help, and they also have the potential to take every single Relic on the list at the same time. Tau don't need even more options like that, so it's annoying.

The only fun one for Tau would be a knockoff Farsight with the sword, but even that requires buying another melee relic first to be able to swap.

>>51300427
Cause orks aren't the shitty meme race of 40k, they're the comic relief race

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Everyone told me not to make a Sisters of Silence list so I'm trying.

Any tips?

>>51299963
If you want to counter knights, maulerfiends are cheap, fast, and will tear it a new arsehole.

>>51300487
The Onager is cheap as shit, so it wouldn't even be a problem.

And they couldn't take every relic, as the discussion following OP's faggotry says, the actual relic list says that they could only take one. And that's after assuming that Signature Systems are relic equivalents, which because of their ability to take more than one, they might not be.

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>>51300439
Commoragh

Are you trying to Cunningham?

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>>51300418
So like this?

>>51300410
>tfw every badab chapter except Minotaurs and Red Scorpions lose their characters
>Iron Hands go back to being the only codex chapter to not have characters

>>51300487
>also have the potential to take every single Relic on the list at the same time
But that's wrong. Relics are specifically ONE PER MODEL as per the FAQ. Signature systems are not relics, but they serve the same function in the codex. They lack the one sentence that creates the 1 relic per model clause. "A model may equip one of the following". That sentence is in just about every codex's relic section on the wargear list before the unit entries.

>>51300487
Tau can't take relics.

>>51300516
I don't think the Onager is technically a melee weapon. It just gives the ability to essentially do a Smash attack.

Whether or not they can take all of them though isn't really my point. My point is that Tau already have two lists of cool relics, along with the ability to stick them on elites as well as HQs. Having another one to play around with along with all there other stuff just isn't going to sit well with some people.

>>51300466
Highly impractical when the sergeant paid 30pts for a 1/3 chance of blowing himself sky high

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>>51300506
>Everyone told me not to make a Sisters of Silence list so I'm trying.
More people need your conviction.

Why tits-with-sticks instead of the SoB little brother the Culexus? He could be their Ganondorf to their Garudo.

>>51300539
>>51300487
More exactly, the Cadia relics themselves are listed as one per character anyways, so even if tau or any other faction could take endless bling, they can only take one Cadia relic.

>>51300582
Are there female Culexus assassins? There's no reason why there wouldn't be, right?

>>51300599
Yes there is. One of them was described in a fluff bit I read recently. Let me see if I can drudge it up.

and I meant SoS* little brother

Which book has renegade knights in?

>>51300506
Kek.

Also, you know that they can't start in those LRs, right?

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>>51300599
>female eversor
>tits are hand grenades
>you explode in her, she explodes on you

>>51300618
Traitor's Hate which is a bitch because its the only rules that actually matter in the whole book

>>51300599
Found it. The Grand Master of the Culexus temple is Lady Syncella. She's featured in Seventh Retribution by Ben Counter, trying to hunt down Legienstrasse.

So yes, there's female Culexus assassins.

>>51300599
>>51300611
Pretty sure the Culexus in the HH book about an assassination force sent after horus is a sheila

How do you guys run your Kakophoni detachment? Considering a 9 marine strong squad equipped for melee, joined by the Lord, and two 5 man Blastmaster squads.

>>51300516
I play Tau but isn't it, you know, common sense to just not pick these relics up? These are Imperial-aligned relics. You'd need some real fluff wizardry to explain why Shas'O Bigus'Dicus has the skull of an Imperial Saint.

On the plus side, I can't see any of the new relics being particularly overpowered or underpriced so it's not too much of a big deal if someone did come up with a Cadre that'd just looted a Shrine/Forge world.

>>51300524
Benedict Cumberbiscuit

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>>51300504
>Orks
>Not the shitty meme race
>I 2
>'If they believe it, it works'

>>51300506
Have lots of money. Or ebay searching skills.

>>51300719
>that's the joke.jpg

>>51300676
>You'd need some real fluff wizardry to explain why Shas'O Bigus'Dicus has the skull of an Imperial Saint.

Cause he fucked it right off of her neck, thus how he got the name?

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>>51300755

>>51300676
It'd be easy enough to just use the rules for it and fluff it as something more Tau related. Or do the farsight thing and have it be some alien weapon they found.

>>51299803
I hope it gets buffed a little. It bugs me how a BIG MEATY TONKs main and ONLY weapon is the same as some pissy shopping cart that dudes push around.

can you use acrylic paint? or is it something specific within that line which is why only citadel / vallejo / warpainter do it?

>>51300579
you get a 3+ armor save so the chance is really 1/9

>>51300854
modelling paint is a specific type of acrylic paint, normal acrylic paint doesnt work for plastic models.

>>51300854
Model paint has a higher pigment concentration so you can use less and still get good color. Regular paint is going to end up too thick for models.

>>51300894
>>51300893
Thank you :)

>>51299937

The SoB command squad comes out to be 200 points even with 4 combi-plasma + flamer models, Hospitalar, and TLMMolator.

How good are SoS allied with SoB? Are they even worth considering when they don't even have a transport?

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>>51299962
>This is what Tau players jerk off to.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5uAxztlIV1g

>>51301005

They're a big target because they're swinging before marines at I2.
A ministorum priest will ensure they survive assault after they attack.
Or simply add Celestine to solve all their issues.

Starting a Necron army. Trying to start off with being thrifty with it to start off with. So building an army around some of the money saving bundles.

HQ
Destroyer Lord, Veil of Darkness = 135

Troops
Warriors X10, Ghost Ark = 235
Warriors X10, Ghost Ark = 235
Warrios X15 = 195 (lord goes here)

Heavy Support
Monolith = 200
Stalker = 125
Stalker = 125

Total = 1250

Idea being that the Stalkers will support the Warriors, boosting their BS, and offering anti tank support. The arks will offer fire support and extra repairs on the warriors. The lord will jump around the field with the 15 warriors with the veil and the monolith.

Thoughts?

>>51301041

I think you mean I5 Ap2

A priest would work, though they still can't start inside a transport.

>>51301087
>Monolith
Do you want to auto-lose to IG?

>>51301087
>putting a D-lord in a slow unit is kind of a waste
>as much as I love the monolith model, as a unit it kinda blows

>>51299911
Okay. You want the Emp's Blade. It's basically most of what you have their but with bonuses. You need 3 Veteran Squads, a CCS, and a hellhound, and all chimeras.

You get objective secured and preferred enemy (anyone on an objective) while loosing the reroll warlord ability. Take a couple hellhounds instead of a Leman Russ, the Chimeras will do everything your HWS's do but while moving and holding infantry.

If you want sentinels, take the Emp's talon with the bare minimum of 6 armoured sentinels. This gives you preferred enemy against one unit type and will help negate the Get's Hot! rolls. Also, ORDERS!

Pour all remaining points into special weapons for the vets and CCS.

>>51301202
>and will help negate the Get's Hot!
PREFERRED ENEMY DOES NOT WORK ON GETS HOT BLASTS REEEEEEEE

Flesh Hounds of Khorne versus Warp Talons? Which are more useful/better?

>>51301223
I hope you're trolling, here's your (You) frogposter, now begone.

>>51301223
Q: Does the Preferred Enemy special rule allow you to re-roll
Gets Hot rolls of 1 for blast weapons (e.g. a plasma cannon)?
A: Yes.

>>51301223
but is does, aspie
read the fucking rulebook

>>51301199
He is more there to give them preferred enemy.

>>51301226
Hounds for both, unless you want to play that new Warp Talon legion build which is inferior to KDK hound builds but probably pretty fun to jump around tables with cliffs and tall buildings.

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>>51301223
Lol! You didn't read the Rules Errata did you?

This is why I keep telling people not to take GW's TWITTER ACCOUNT as a Gospel! You need to wait for the official rules errata to come out or your gunna make mistakes based on some PR guy's spur-of-the-moment judgement!

>>51301223
>>51301233
>>51301234
>>51301272
rekt

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How many winged Nurgle daemon princes do I take at 1850 if I know the other players are going to be massive waacfags?

>>51301272
>Lol!
>>>/reddit/

Can Cawl use his Cantacles of the Archmagos in a transport?

>>51301313
You take the Infernal Tetrad.

>>51301267
What's the KdK hound build?

>>51300675
5 min sized squads with blasters and master

1 large squad with doom siren ccw and icon

>>51299528
Can GSC take the siege Lemon Ruses?

>>51301313

>NL Murder Talon
>3 Melta raptors
>spawn
>4 Nurgle Princes

>>51301315
?

I just got sick of the guys at my LGS telling me I was using Pask's Co-tank wrong. I actually had to print out that Errata to prove that I wasn't cheating! What's reddit got to do with anything?

Hey fellow tau players
what are your thoughts on the cadre fireblade? I only play unbound as I only have proper units for like maybe 2 of 20 formations. I do also have an ethereal so I was thinking this might be good to pair up with it as well for massive firepower
What are yalls experiences and thoughts on the unit?

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>>51301313
Got you senpai.

>>51301322
It's just KDK with a lot of hounds from the hound formation. You should also add some other good KDK stuff like heralds and crushers but the meat should be several dozen hounds great for conga lining tar pitting and board control

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Starting dark eldar, what AT units should I go for and how many?
I only have 3 gunboats and 6 jetbikes planned out so far
My WIP warriors

>>51301353

>only play unbound
>can only 2 formations

Tau players everyone.

Play CAD

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So how much better would Monoliths be if this was introduced and updated as a standard Necron formation?

>>51301372

I like the color scheme.

Most of my Dark Eldar armies run 3 units of warriors w/ 1 blaster a piece in venoms.

>>51301353
I use a Fireblade as my primary HQ. I stick him with a Pathfinder team and load up on drones to make best use of Volley Fire, while also throwing in a Rail and Ion Rifle to take advantage of Split Fire.

They do pretty good work a lot of the time, and I'd imagine it'd combo well with the extra shots from an Ethereal.

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>>51301368
Oh. What about 15 hounds in a CAD, 3 MSU? Also, I keep hearing that Bloodcrushers are bad?

>>51301372
Haywire Scourges and Blasterborn are usually the go-to, with the Ravager being a fallback though it's generally better suited to taking cannons and not lances. How many depends on how many other blasters/AT options you have in your list.

Also, nice scheme.

>>51301385
I dont see that helping much at all tbqh. 200 points for one ordnance shot and then maybe 3 snapfiring guass arrays just isnt worth it.

>>51301385
Not much, no deepstrike protection and they're still offensively lacking.

>>51301353
Fireblades and Ethereals can help you put out a withering amount of firepower.

But you'll need it, as without Objective Secured (because you play unbound), you'll very likely need to table the opponent in order to win.

Tau are pretty good at shooting down most other troops, but are not very good at holding or contesting objectives for long.

>>51300655
>Grand Master
So this chick gets off to roiding up convicts and unleashing them onto the enemies of man?

Kinky.

>>51301372

Blasterborn are generally the go to AT unit. That's 5 Trueborn in a venom with 4 blasters. Fast and effective, which is also nice for MC hunting thanks to the splinter canons on the venom.

Reavers are one of the best units in the Codex with either a blaster or heat lance per three. You'll hear people swear on both, but always get Caltrops for the higher S HoW.

Scourges Haywire blasters are good and cheap, too. They can also carry blasters or lances if you really want.

The classic Ravager carries three dark lances.

The planes aren't terrible, either. However, the fighter is generally better than the bomber, though the fighters can screen the bomber.

>>51301394

Splinter boats are perfectly fine now thanks to the jink faq.

Is there a PDF for Fall of Cadia yet?

>>51301319
>>51301366
I do have models to do the tetrad.
If only I didn't lack models for the LoC and Fateweaver.

>>51301372

Alternatively

>take Archon with WWP
>put him in a group of allied
wraith guard
>delete a unit of your choice when they drop

>>51301459

Splinter Boats are still considerably more expensive for a a transport with a larger foot print and still no actual increase in mobile shooting.

>>51301327
Sounds good. Does it do well on the table?

>>51299492
>ork above all that stuff

HOW?

>>51301485
>relying on the faggotworlds for help
The unrivaled bitchboy of the Dark City, everyone.

>>51301459
ALTERNATE OPINION
NEVER EVER TAKE SPECIAL WEAPONS ON REAVERS, YOU'LL BE JINKING TOO MUCH TO MAKE USE OF THEM AGAINST ANY OPPONENT THAT REALIZES HOW THREATENING THEY ARE

>>51301497
That tier list is pilled from ITC results, a ruleset wherein Orks are buffed and other armies nerfed (notably by Buzzgob's Stompa being legal and Gargantuan Creatures and ranged D being nerfed/capped).

>>51301366
>5 points left over
>not taking poison blood

>>51301508
ADDENDUM
YOU COULD TAKE SPECIAL WEAPONS ON REAVERS IF YOUR ARMY IS PRIMARILY COMPOSED OF THEM AS THERE WILL BE TOO MANY TO SHOOT ALL OF THEM

>>51301490

However, they put out considerably more firepower when they unload and are more durable because of a 3+ jink that doesn't inhibit their shooting. It's 24 TL shots vs. 12 normal shots.

>>51301508
>>51301542

They're cheap enough that its still viable, though.

>>51299528
IG have an absolutely ludicrous variety of troop types & vehicles even before you consider FW.

After FW, everyone just laughs at you.

>>51301404
Hounds on their own are not all that great. Hounds in a formation/decurion that buffs them escorting a pimped out lord + a cyclopian cabal is just scary and cheesy

>>51299239
Silly annon Sigmar is The Emperor!

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I've got 200 points to work with. 8 normal bikers with 2 meltas + combi on the sarge, or 6 nurgle bikers with the same? Which is more annoying to face?

>>51299528
For me it's the point cost of weapon upgrades, point costs of some Russes and the point costs of Pyskers and Ogryn/Bullgryn.

They have enough units to stand out, but the Taurox was a total waste of a vehicle addition. It should be Open-topped so that the Guard could be played more aggressively. A CC kitted out CCS with Straken or Ogryn/Bullgryn, or Vets with shotguns. They should be able to use assault weapon spam followed by charging. Instead the Taurox is just a weird sidegrade to the Chimera. The Taurox Prime is great, but the regular Taurox needs something to stand out.

My pont cost adjustment for the Guard would be

Mortar, Heavy Bolter, Autocannon - 5
Missile Launcher, Lascannon - 10
Skyfire upgrade for Missile Launcher - 5
Power Weapon - 10
Powerfist - 15
Plasma Gun, Plasma Pistol - 10
Ogryn - 30
Bullgryn - 35
Bullgryn upgrade - free
Demolisher - 150
Battle Tank - 130
Executioner - 135
Vanquisher - 110
Exterminator - 120
Basilisk - 100
Primaris Psyker - 30
Primaris Psyker ML2 - 20
Infantry Squad - 40
Veterans - 50
Straken - 90
Chimera - 60
Hellhound - 110
Devil Dog - 120
Banewolf - 115
Wyvern - 75

>>51301497
It's not in any particular order.
Orks are pretty bad, but they're not as bad as Nids or BA. Also some of the factions that are meant to be taken as allies perform worse on their own.

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Dear GW,

Thank your for Celestine to give all my Knights IWND and to lead my scoring fodder.

Sincerely,

Lord Seneschal No'Survivors

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>>51300582
I have nothing if not conviction. I feel that the Calidus brings more to the table, and that the Culexus would just step on toes with all these blanks around.

Also there's a cute little black Culexus in Nemesis who is among other things, autistic.

>>51300622
Yeah, I know. At least the calidus gives me better chances at turn one.

>>51300735
Friends of mine collected and traded the Prospero sets. I've not seen any of them use Sisters of Silence yet so I'm gonna try to beg, trade, or borrow them off my LGS.

>>51300506
The only thing I'm worried about is not having enough Anti-tank, I took the Blood Angel's taxi service for fast las-preds and raiders (that scout!) but I'm not sure I could tackle a knight with this list.

I'm also worried about model count. As the infamous Gladius far outranks me in this area. But I guess that's the detriment to taking three land raiders.

>>51301399
what types of drones are you fielding with your pathfinders? I have a ton of drones but I only ever use them as shield drones for the invuln save. I cant help but feel like this is a total waste of drones and points

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Thoughts on my new Cult Mech list?

>>51301713
beepboop/10

>>51301698
that picture is hilarious

>>51301713
Would tarpit with one Invisible unit all game while the rest of my army wins by objectives/10

>>51301618
Your gunna give me BS4 infantry at 5 points a pop, while the I2, S3, BS2 Ork costs 6?

I mean, I know the orks are behind but this is ridiculous! A veterans squad could now kill its weight in boys twice over!

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So my shop is going to run a tournament this weekend - thinking of running the following. Thoughts?

>>51301756
Gracias

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>>51301600

>one of these is T6 and Shrouded
>one of these is not

Gee anon, I don't know.

>>51301794
They should be 5 points as well.

>>51300870
Actually since the rolls are independent it's a 11/36 before the save to get at least one wound. After saves its a 35/324 chance (1/36 better than 1/9).

>>51301815
Looks good but please rename your list to Aelderi to trigger the autists.

>>51301698

That's weird. I didn't know a knights were non-vehicles.

>>51301815
honestly it needs better optimization

>>51301815
Seems alright. Why the Autarch's loadout, though? I'm probably biased but I love me a laser lance Banshee Mask Jettarch to run with Reavers when I play them together.

>>51301839
tfw walkers aren't vehicles, because they are walkers. Just like how fmc aren't mc.

>>51301821
Shrouded?

>>51301839
Mischief managed.

Forgot things like Calgar were LoWs now. Oh well

>>51301837

I'll rename for my print list. I may add an exclamation point for emphasis.

>>51301841

There are def. some elements that could be optimized (i.e. just not taking Harlequins or Dark Eldar and just running more Eldar) but I like playing all 3 Space Elves together (plus I have my own dumb head cannon as to why they're fighting together).

>>51301852

Honestly I don't know? I had 110 points to spend and I couldn't think of anything else to add? I do have a Laser Lance + Mask autarch that I run with a corsair list but I prefer to make a slightly beefier reaver mini star with a corsair prince when I do that.

>>51301705
I go for Gun Drones on the squad with my Fireblade. The extra shots with volley fire help a good deal, as does the higher toughness and armor save when it gets down to meatshielding.

I do run marker drones on some other pathfinders. I find them particularly nice on Stealth Teams where they benefit from the cover save and can help supplement combined fire.

Shield Drones I feel are a large waste on a lot of things. 4+ invuln isn't that great, especially on infantry squads. The 4+ armor or cover save you'll get from being in terrain will often do better, and having the extra gun is nicer than a 50/50 chance you'll be able to meatshield an extra time.

Might be of some use on a Crisis team that is more likely to get hit by high AP weapons and won't be in terrain enough to get a cover save, but even then the other options are still better there in many ways.

>>51301869

It's ok. I thought the same thing when I remembered I have two knights that need to be built. One of them is going to be a crusader for my Sisters. Then, I shit myself when I saw Celestines rules until someone pointed out the non-vehicle part.

So, how should I fluff a renegade Knight in midnight clad working with Night Lords?

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>>51301815
Oh hey, my shop is running an 1850 on the weekend too.

Here's my considerably less optimal list that I will lose three rounds with.

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How does this list look? I feel like im lacking bodies, but then again blob guard isnt super good anyway.

>>51301886
I love how these fiercely sub-optimal discussions take place, and people still think all Tau in this thread are WAAC.

What's better for killteams? Traitor guard,(R&H) or imperial guard?

>>51301915
>mixing specials on the scions

>>51301935
it seems weird on paper, but in practice I actually prefer it

>>51301925
I think I've seen...maybe one or two legit WAACTaufags in the years I've been on these threads. The rest have just been trolls.

I play Tau, too...

>>51301821
>>51301863
>Shrouded?

maybe he means something from traitor legions. but I was just talking about >vanilla dex

still, 2 extra bodies might arguably be worth more than T6. idk, maybe i'll make room for 7 nurgle bikers. it is nurgle's number anyway.

>>51301932
I'd say R&H, but neither work well with killteam rules desu.

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>>51301918
Huh I fucked that up, try this one instead.

>>51301939
Yeah one of my armies is Tau, I love gimmicky crap but I can't get the time of day sometimes because people assume cheese.

RIP actually playing the all drones list.

>>51301943
A Death Guard Vectorium gives stealth at 18"+ but I have no idea how they would get shrouded.

>>51301938
Why's that?

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>>51301909

>>51301983
Just means I'm not up shit creek if they scatter poorly or bungle a reserve roll. The flamer also covers one of the main weaknesses of the hotshot lasgun.

I'd go all in if I were running melta suicide squads or a quad-special command squad.

>>51301932

Renegades and Heretics can bring a lot of stuff to the table because it's cheap, but they also suck individually and have poor leadership, so don't try and build elite and make sure you can keep them in line.. Imperial Guard are a bit more up to snuff and can also pack a few more elite models like Scions, and overall they're more reliable.

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Alright, from a 1 out of 10, how good is this?

>>51302026
Someone needs to shop Greyfax into it

>>51302037
You barely changed a thing.

>>51302032
12 guys in 2 chimeras, 6 each with lasguns sound good?

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>>51302044
As soon as I posted that I thought of it

>>51302037
>No transports
>Kantor but no Sternguard
>No way for Kantor to help those deep striking terminators
>Chaplain for a normal terminator squad

All over the place/10

>>51302066
Saved

>>51302053

For Guard? No.

For R&H? Also no.

Guard need special weapons if they want to kill anything, and if they lack those or even the decent survivability of carapace armor, then they at least need bodies to take hits and pump out enough shots to stand a chance of killing something.

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>>51302052
YOU FUCKING HERETIC!

Actually I got rid of the Stormhawk Interceptor, and the Drop Pod since I didn't find much use in it.

>>51301508
>>51301542
It's still not a bad choice for turn 1 if you're planning on hiding them. You can move up the 12 and then Jump move back into cover and wait for targets next turn to wreck in melee

>>51302109
Which does nothing to really solve any of the problems with the list.

All over the place/10.

How do you intend to win against different opponents? That should always be your thought.

>>51302083
But it's a Terminator Chaplain. Sure no Sternguard, but I don't give a fuck. And maybe when I get my next paycheck I'll get a Rhino.

>>51302127
If you don't give a fuck, why ask for advice?

>>51302134
Just wanna show off.

>>51302139
Then get a trip so I can filter you.

>>51302037
>>51302083
His army can be summed up by the Devestator squad: Unlikely to do anything he asks of it because he wants it to do everything he asks of it.

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>>51302066
my gift to you /tg/

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What's a decent Deathwing list at 1500pts?

How does buying chimeras for platoons work? they cant all fit in the chimera so they cant embark on it right?

>>51302127
Ok then here's how you turn that army into something more cohesive

Turn the tac squads into 4x5 Squads with a missile launcher each.

You got a Devastator box so turn that into 2x5 squads each with 2 heavy weapons, one with lascannons and the other with missile launcher/grav cannon

Why are Cult Mech and Skitarii separate factions?

>>51302260
>Deathwing
>Decent

They're a flavor take that nerfs your Ravenwing or Greenwing.

>>51302283
$

>>51302266
>You got a Devastator box so turn that into 2x5 squads each with 2 heavy weapons, one with lascannons and the other with missile launcher/grav cannon
>Mixing dev weapons
SHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAME
SHAAAAME
SSSSSSSSSSSSSHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHAME

>>51302297
Nice try Alpharius, do you really think we would fall for the Games Jewshop meme?

>>51302308
I think he meant it as an option between missiles and grav.

No reason to ever take missiles tho.

>>51301591
Oh. My list is a KdK CAD.

>>51302297
You're trying to split the Mechanicus aren't you Alpha boy

>>51302320
>implying you, too, are not also the genetically engineered being known as "alpharius"

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>>51302320
>>51302345
They can't be Alpharius because I am.

>>51302284
What's the point of playing if you can't use the models you like?

>>51302265
Each squad can have its own Chimera. Meaning you can have anywhere between 3 and 13 vehicles crammed into a single troops choice!

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What mark of armor is Araghast's helmet? Do loyalists ever use it?

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>>51302358
Deceiver! I am Alparius

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>>51302358
>>51302389
Why would you tell such filthy lies, brothers? The real Alpharius is me.

>>51302370
You can use them, I'm just saying there's no standard "list" because they aren't really good standalone.

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>>51302358
>>51302389
>>51302406
[Hydra Dominatus intensifies]

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>>51302450
The fuck did he go?

>>51299651
krieg has one, but its not called "afix bayonets" its "the emperors mercy" or something like it, turns lasguns into assault 2 guns.

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>>51302456
Nowhere, brother. Nowhere at all. Why are you all the way out here?

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>>51302476

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Greeting fellow loyalists. What is going on in this thread?

>>51302384
Thank you for the clarification

So I need to make an Icon for my bike squad. I would just use the one supplied in the box but...oh yeah None were supplied in the box, along with no special weapons either...that's a gripe for later though.

So this seems like a good way to make a flag style Icon, all I need is a Flag pole. Any ideas TG?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3MX91IVS9Bo

>>51302547
We are on the hunt for a Alpharius! Beware battle brother, he is as dangerous as he is crafty.

>>51302385
Artificer mkii

It takes the mono eye slit and brings it down the front like some gladiator helmet.

What's the best Warlord Trait chart to go with when using the Infernal Tetrad?

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>>51302242

>>51302754
Needs Farsight.

>>51302737
Belakor's

>>51302754
That's not how you meme anon

>>51302800
You know...In hindsight I should've put 3 riptides/Stormsurges/Supertunas in the background.

So I'm getting another box of Kataphron Destroyers soon, I already have three Grav ones but I'm thinking I'm going to build these new ones with Plasma Culverins. Now you may be thinking "Why? The Heavy Grav Cannons are OP."

I want to pair them with the Haemotrope Reactor. This would cause each Culverin to spit two 36' Str 7 AP2 Large blasts. Granted they now get hot on a 2 or 1, but between canticles, and getting a Ordo Xenos psychic inquisitor with Conversion Beamer (Fluffed and modeled as a Ordo Machinum Inquisitor) to act as a Prescience Battery, I think that would keep them from blowing themselves up. So six large plasma blasts for around 250ish points. Thoughts?

>>51302827
Probably breddy gud.

>>51302811
>dude let me in I'm a monstrous creature!