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I'm going to play my first 40k game this weekend at LGS. What should I expect.

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Merry Slanneshmas everyone

>>51292950
Suggestions to use washes.

>>51292950
Expect to fuck up a lot, and get everything wrong, but you will get better

I believe in you :3

>>51292950
Unbased minis = unfinished minis

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>>51292923
Is this list any good? I am going to use it in a casual game today.
>inb4 GTFO Tau fag

>>51292983
I love the fact that it's really infantry based.

And I love you Anon <3

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Rate my fluffy Dark Eldar list

Why are reavers not troops for faster elves

>>51292998
I usually go for either good balance between suits and infantry or just go with a lot of infantry in general. I am going to try and use the Kauyon tactic in surrounding the enemy while my foot troops bait him/hold objectives

I love you to Anon <3 <3

How modular are the Tyranid kits? I want to make some Biologis monsters for my Admech to be Kastelans and Cybernetica once IA14 comes out, as well as hordes of Rending cultists for 30k Militia, and I decided to get some Crypt Ghouls and Stormvermin, modify a bit and add some Admech and Nids parts. Does the 12 gant box come with 12 of each gun, and if I was to get the Armoured Assault box for them would that be a good bits supply for the project? Ideally want a couple big bio-guns, some of the largish claws and lots of misc stuff.

>>51293013
Take Revenant Titan instead of knights.

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Pls rate

1500 Khorne Daemonkin

HQ
-Daemon Prince, 160
+Daemonic Flight, 40
+Warp-forged Armor, 20
+Goredrinker, 30
+Collar of Khorne, 15
+Ichor Blood, 5
Total, 270

Troops
-2xChaos Space Marines, 130
+2 marines, 30
+9xCCW, 18
+Lightning Claw, 15
+2xMelta gun, 20
+Icon of Wrath, 20
Total, 233 (466)

Dedicated Transports
-2xChaos Rhinos, 35
+Dozer Blade, 5
+Havoc Launchers, 12
Total, 52 (104)

Fast Attack
-3xFlesh Hounds, 240

Heavy Support
-3xMaulerfiend, 390
+Lasher Tendrils, 30
Total, 420

Complete total, 1500

Does anyone happen to have the PDF of compiled planetary rules from WoM and CotW?

>>51293029
>Does the 12 gant box come with 12 of each gun

Yes.

>Big bio-guns and claws

Not really what you're getting from the box, though Devourers might be big enough for what you want. You could probably use Spinefists for claws I guess.

How good are Alpha Legion? I'm looking at what little lore they have and I really like the aspect of having an army full of 007s.

>>51293042
Just play world eaters

>>51293120
That's a lot of daemons and daemonic engines to work well in a WE list.

>>51293105
Infiltrating special weapons is pretty cool.

>>51293105
Infiltrate everything, lots of special weapons in their face turn 1.

>>51293105
The infiltrating special agents aspect along with the multiplying cultist mob they get are both really cool. They're definitely one of the better Traitor Legions.

>>51293136
The only thing you can't get are dogs. Isn't there a formation for that anyways?

>>51293013

Wouldn't play against

>>51293171
While that's true, the fact is that those units are better in KDK than they are in WE

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>>51293171
World Eaters can't get Goredrinker either.

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>conscripts
>i3
>orks
>i2

>>51293013
>Why are reavers not troops for faster elves
better question: why are jetbikes troops for slow elves

Does anyone know which army the 'Castellans of the Imperium' formation is under on Battlescribe? I can't find it anywhere.

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So, i know that skyhammer is cheese, but given that i'll be facing knights, riptides and other bullshit i feel its a lesser evil.
i have another 2 lists, one with plas bikers and a capt and the other with more feet on the ground.
Think i'll survive?

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I have kill team game saturday, so can you rate my kill team list? My opponent is playing deathwatch and he's taking 5 veterans so he has more guys.
Do I stand a chance?

Reminder that if you play to win, you're playing wrong.

>>51293137
A lot of high power weaponry in your face turn 1 I guess

>>51293089
Was thinking the Armoured Assault box, so one Tervigon and 12 gants. Seeing as I can outfit all my swarms with a couple gant boxes I thought I may as well take the 1/2 price Tervigons and see what I can do with them, especially since some of the automata need S10 melee, which Crushing Claws represent nicely. Didn't the Tervigon also come with another big MC as a dual kit?

>>51292983
10/10 would play against

>>51293231

You always play to win.

Depending on whether it's casual or competitive, you listbuild either to have a balanced, close game, or to crush people.

>>51293199
You basically have to choose between

>superior relics
>bloodthirsters
>BFTBG
>flesh hounds

vs

>turn 1/2 charge
>better marines
>better berzerkers
>better maulerfiends

>>51293260
If it includes the Tyrannofex dual kit, then you get some nice tank-size guns, yeah.

>>51293228
Just go fucking die in a hole. You are not even funny. Same fucking retards every day

>>51293228
>5 POINTS OVER
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

How should you outfit a chaos lord? What are the best upgrades to give him?

>>51293271
>You always play to win.
Naw son. Just, naw.

>>51293296
more like 1605 points over actually

>>51293284
OK, excellent. Those will make nice mauler bolt cannon or Darkfire Cannon substitutes.

>>51293271
There is a difference between playing to win and win at all costs.

One thing is to be competitive, other thing is abuse rules and out right cheese.

Sadly a portion of the players do not know the difference

>>51293315
Not that guy but:
The objective of a game is to win
The purpose of a game is to have fun

I build fluffy lists but then play them as best I can and always try to win.

>>51293228
Sorry pal, prepare to get your anus handed to you. I would say bring at least one baneblade.

>>51293342
Here, also this:
>>51293338

Don't be a WAAC rules lawyering piece of shit. Still do your best though, don't just make bad moves or act brain damaged.

>>51292958
i consider to switch sides

>>51293120
But I want to play KdK.

>>51293358
That is my main issue with some "competitive" groups they out right think waac, cheese and rules abusing is competitive.

>>51293342
>he's never suicide charged a squad just for the blaze of glory
>he's never deep struck into an inferior location just because his opponent's favorite unit is there and worth more emotional value than tactical value
>he's never made a move that's fluffy but stupid

What's it like to actually, objectively, be playing the game wrong?

>>51293396
Are you me? I've won games because of immense luck on the part of massed Guardsmen charges.

>>51293396
I've done all of them but usually in a casual setting or if I'm already losing.
I wouldnt affix bayonets on my guardsmen on Turn 2 for shits but I sure as shit would on Turn 5 as a last ditch effort to wipe out some heretics on an objective.

If it's T4 and my Tempestus Scions arrive while I've almost been tabled, I'll sure as shit take out their favourite unit before I lose.

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>>51293042
Should I swap out the dogs/some dogs and a maulerfiend for some Warp Talons?

Warp Talons seem pretty cool, especially since they have Daemon of Khorne in KdK giving them Furious Charge.

pls rate my list/give advice other than play WE

pls

>>51293441
>I wouldnt affix bayonets on my guardsmen on Turn 2 for shits
You simply haven't lived until you scare off deep striking terminators with pointy sticks.

>>51293316
>he doesn't know 1850 points is the standard
Do you even ITC bro?

Tell me about your army(ies) lore/fluff

>>51293457
Holy shit, hahahaha. I might buy a start collecting imperial guard on Saturday just so I can experience that

>he doesnt unleash the kroot+hounds for the shits and giggles
>He doesnt set inferior Railsides across his side of the board
Why are all other taufags scum

>>51293482
Why do they wear the mask

>>51293482
>Used to be entertainers in times of flesh, now gotta go fast crons
>self proclaimed best craftsmen in Commarragh in regards to weapons
>Nurglite warband led by a Woodsmen who was betrayed by the village he protected when he was sick (AoS)
please do not ask me to elaborate, i'm pretty drunkn right now

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>>51293218
Or, alternatively bikers AND centurions!

>>51293457
killing terminators hasn't really been an achievement since 3rd edition came out

>>51293496
5th edition penal legion are the last word in fluff insanity

>>51293506
I prefer to swarm the board with carbines, breacher teams, and stealth suits, to constantly fight the enemy near to assault distance.

>>51293550
With S3 T3 pointy sticks it is

>>51293318
The problem is that they are meant to be used as arms, so they might look a bit lopsided. I'd take a look at the bits, the relevant ones are Fleshborer Hive, Rupture Cannon, and Acid Spray

>>51293396
I play AdMec, and a friend plays Chaos. We have huge apocalypse sized games and often make dramatic stories out of the results. As a proper son of Mars, I make it my personal mission to take down all his "traitor guard" vehicle assets first. The machine spirits never wanted that, they must be saved!

Admittedly, this has cost me in the past.

>>51293550
Scaring Necrons Lords and his bodyguards with Acolytes and SoB comes close

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>>51293552

I wish the penal legionnaires would make a comeback with a plastic kit

>>51293300
The best thing you can give a chaos lord in more toughness or eternal warrior. Mine keep dying to strength 8 so i keep them cheap.

>>51293579
Because of their high toughness and reanimation protocols, yeah. The new deathguard terminators might be on the same level now, I think.

>>51293570
T4 1W models, mate. Mass amounts of shitty mook attacks have been the textbook way of killing them for the past eighteen years.

>>51293477
>1850pt Kill Team games sponsored by ITC
Man ITC is getting weird.

>>51292950
Expect to be reading through rules a lot

>>51293578
>make dramatic stories out of the results
I do this for everything. Grenade scattered? That's because something exploded nearby and the concussive wave knocked it askew. You glanced a tank to death in CC? That's because you rent open a hatch and got a grenade inside, pulping the crew. Devastated a Marine unit with Lasguns? The squad leader had enough of their shit and told his men and women to lay it on thick enough that you could row downstream on the amount of las in the air.

>>51293590
If only.

>>51292950
Best of luck little angel

>>51293594
>T4 1W
In 2+ 5++
Massed attacks are no guarantee, it just helps.

>>51293574
Fleshborer Hive is probably not going to work as anything but a scenery part, but the other two look excellent if I paint the carapace on the weapons as metal and add a couple wires and such. They're going to need some greenstuffing to fit anyway, so the arm things not going to be a problem.
Making a couple greenstuff cables and linking the big guns to chemical tanks is probably also a good idea.

Theyre really stretching the shit out of this shitmar release

Why is Coteaz considered so great with the Guard?

>>51293654
Because he's been expecting you.

>>51292979
what a douche

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>>51293651

Is this where you tell us a Lord of Change is an AoS model?

>>51293654
Everyone but tanks get Objective Secure. The bubble of fuck you for things entering from reserve is nice. ML2 Psyker is nice. All that for 100 points is rather cheap

I love how people keep coming to 4chan for list advice. Legit dudes, go to a proper forum for list advice, even the (you)s you get here probably won't help you with list building.
Everything thread at the moment has like 3 serious lists, with all the replies being from same anon saying "pls help".
How about you go do it on a proper forum, and leave us to our talking about new models and shit posting.

>>51293699
>going to a normal forum where name fagging is 100% the way to get noticed
no thanks

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>>51293699

I like to offer advice from time to time

I haven't played a single game of 7th

>>51293684

>God forbid someone put the time and effort expected into the hobby

You undesirables ruin the game. If you can't put in the time required, find a different hobby. This one expects something of you. Maybe stamps are more your speed.

>>51293482
Space Wolves: Armoured Assault company of Jarl Crackenbane, wars are fought up close. The Jarl is impulsive, tempered only by his advisors, and only just. Prefers mounted war, cavalry, bikes, and rhinos carrying Grey Hunters. Rumours persist the invasion of Fenris may have gotten to him slightly, before hand he kept the wolfen at arms reach, but after the war, he embraces them as brothers. Some of his Grey Hunters grow concerned by his recent inclusion of "The Wolf Time is Nigh!" in his rallying speeches.

Tau: Unofficial Farsight sympathizers. Balance between mounted infantry and smaller xv8 squads. Believes in in the Mont'Ka, no gun line, no holding back. Fight the enemies of the Empire close enough to look them in the eyes.

AdMec: Forgeworld Metalica has interests. We acquire them. Skitarii march lock step beside servitor treads, Infiltrators tear apart heretics along side the Castelans. All will wither before the magistracy of the weapons of the Adeptus Mechanicus!

Emperor's Children: A sub-cult with in the EC, called the Flayers. The Noise Marines' frequency is set to incapacitate, not kill, for the sounds of a man being flayed alive please Slaneesh. Most Chaos Lord and war bands avoid working alongside the Flayers, as "friendly fire" seems to be a common issue.

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>>51293654
>100pts
>Mastery level 2
>makes all infantry Objective secured
>has a motherfucking two headed cyber eagle
>things coming in 12inch away get shot at.
>rerollable seize and making your opponent re roll their seize

Gee I wonder why Guard likes him

>>51293688
No, but every other model in the release is sigmar only. The 40k LoC isnt even getting a rules update

>>51293745
To be fair, we got our Tzangors first

>>51293654
Coteaz (IA) has a rule to give all Infantry the Objective Secured rule

>>51293731
>Being that autistic that you can only post on 4chan
K, friendo

>>51293732
Are you implying that I haven't had a game, or are you agreeing with me? :)

>>51293734
>expected

Only by you. So he hasn't finished his models yet.. Instead of giving any critique (or hey maybe a compliment on a new players painting) you just spew "Unbased = unfinished". I can practically smell your BO. People like (You) are the undesirables of this game.

>>51293771
Yeah and I bet theyre worth a shit in Sigmar too

>>51293776
>post on somewhere like dakka
>30+ hits and 1 reply

>post here with a mildly not meta conforming list
>get 3+ (You)s minimum

>>51293699
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/0/714351.page

Sorry, not happening.

>>51293651
>shitmar
I bet you haven't even played a game of AoS, I don't think you'll fit into the community there anyway, people have a tendency to play fluffy games instead of WAAC games

>>51293699
I got so used to 4chan I find going on DakkaDakka suffering. All that fake kindness everywhere. At least on here when someone is being is being an utterly wrong faggot he gets told in three words rather than three paragraphs gently trying not to hurt feelings.

>>51293819
I had a fluffy nuln army

Until they blew up nuln and didnt make rules for half my units

Fuck sigmar

>>51292983
Probably a bit late, but
Bonding Knife is useless
Why does everything have Stimulant
Stealth Suits are too upgraded, they don't need any of that shit, but you do need Fusion
The Shas'ui bring nothing to the table other than an extra LD which isn't necessary
Why do you have so many fucking drones, but no Controller or VX1-0
Hammerhead doesn't need Flechette and Blacksun isn't too useful

By just using your points more wisely you can easily fit in way more models, which is very important when it comes to gunlines.

>>51293848
You can still play WHFB, no one is forcing you to play AoS.

>>51293834
"We are more worried about being politically correct, than being political or correct" - anon

Reading Empyric Storm Table. On 23 one non psykercharacter became psyker. So can i make my Culexus Assasin psyker?

>>51293876
Except gw when they banned WHFB from the shop

>>51293013

>DE fluffy list
>more eldar than true kin
>Archon taxi service

>>51293745
Tzaangors - 40k/AoS

Blue Horrors - 40k/AoS

Brimstone Horrors - 40k/AoS

Changeling - 40k/AoS

Lord of Change/Kairos - 40k/AoS

Kairic Acolytes - AoS

Enlightened Tzaangors - AoS

Fatemaster - AoS rebox

Curseling - AoS rebox

2 new Age of Sigmar only releases.

2 reboxes

5 Age of Sigmar/40k releases.

>>51293876
While technically true. From a practical standpoint of a two player game this is untrue for a lot of people.

>>51292923
Age of Emporer when?

>>51293924
Less than 6 months.

>>51293482
Before the grenade nerf in melee. I'd run my heavy breakthrough guard platoon, which was 3-5 veteran squads with meltabombs (on every model) and a company command squad. They demolished everthing from Walker's to daemon Prince's to imperial knights in cc. My favorite moment was hiting a daemon Prince with a 3++ rerolling 1's with 17 meltabombs in 1 phase and killing it. Needless to say, said platoon always took heavy losses ( The platoon motto was maximum casualties).

>>51293913
3 AoS only, sorry. Forgot the Ogroid Thaumaturge.

>>51293889
Yup.
Or your Bloodthrister!

>>51293924
https://youtu.be/8GcjWEO0O8I

>>51293889
Strictly speaking this could happen, yes.

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New player trying to build up towards a final army looking something like pic related. I have no concept of how powerful it would be but I've heard Skyhammer is really good. Does it look alright? Last 5pts should probably be a melta-bomb on the Assault squad sgt.

>>51292923
Shitty Guardsman painter anon from yesterday. Im really happy Ian the melta guy isnt the thumbnail.

>>51293949
Kharn the Psyker.

>>51293889
Yeah, but then he wouldnt generate charges and would only cast on a 6+ and couldn't target himself or anyone within 12" of him with blessings.

>>51293889
Or possibly Kharn. Also another chance to get that ML1 character Defiler one of the Chaosanons is fond of. I actually kind of want to see him convert that.

If that's the one that is"becomes ML1 Biomancy Psyker" I had it turn a Genestealer Cult Acolyte into that and promptly smacked him with a Kastelan.

>>51293949
>>51293960
Fuck yea, null psyker. Where are your gods now?

>>51293889
>Belisarius Cawl becomes a psyker

FUCKING BOW YOU SHITS.

Although in reality he would hate it and try to get rid of it.

>>51293985
Null Psyker vs Khornate Psyker.

>>51293889
Was the Empyric Storm Table leaked?
Kinda curious to see the results

>>51293977
Would it affect himself though? I can't think of any negative aura effects from other units that also apply to the unit that has it.

>>51293967
Drop the CAD assault squad and get those tactical rhinos. The whole point in having them is to have some Obsec troops and having Rhinos doubles that while also giving the tactical some durability and mobility.

>>51293997
Shame he only gets the Primaris, or he could fix his only weakness with Endurance.

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>>51293968
You cant run from your mistakes

>>51294018
>Would it affect himself though?
I'd say so

>>51294022
Then I'd have to run the Chapter Master solo. I suppose I could cut some gear just to get at least one Rhino in there though.

>>51294031
Wewy, rude.

By the way, since my every soldier has his pauldron painted red(one for normals, 2 for vets) how should I represent it on the vechicles?

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How's this? Need to keep it ~500 points for the people I play with.

>>51294024
All they get is Smite and suffer perils on any failure to manifest.

>>51294057
Unless I'm missing something there's nothing stopping him from joining one of the jump pack squads from the other detachments.

>>51294065
Are you REALLY going to be that buy who runs named characters in >1000pts games? But other then that, maybe run an actual platoon instead of so many vets? They arent worth it without the chimera, especially if you wont give them a 4+.

>>51294048
At the very least it's an additional mind bullet for free.

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>>51294004
Yep.

>>51294065

You can't hurt Rhinos.
Cut a Veteran squad or two. Use those points to put a Lascannon and 3 plasma guns in Coteaz's Veteran unit.
Company command squad should have a Lascannon too.

Will I get crucified if I bring Celestine to a 1k points game?

>>51294094
Yeah I wasn't sure about that either but I don't think he'd get the 'charge out of deepstrike' special rule if he does. Maybe I could get by with only one Vanguard squad in that detachment.

>>51294125
It's a pretty cheesy thing to do but I'd be fine with it if you were playing SOB.

>>51292979
who cares about your opinion ?
I definitly dont

>>51293796
They are pretty solid in AoS.
2 wounds. 5+, 6+ FNP.

>>51294099
Seeing as a friend of mine is playing a full ravenwing bike spam list yeah I'm fine with it.

>>51293535

I really need to know about gotta go fast crons...

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>>51294161
Fuck, here's the list

>>51294133
I think if Cawl and Celestine where restricted to their armies I doubt people would be mad.

Specially with Celestine her bonus used with SoB are rather lame.

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Inquisition/Marines requesting r8ing.

I don't use grav or telepathy because my fluffy lists are the glue holding my area's 40k scene together

>>51294132
Correct. He doesn't gain any rules from Formation/Detachments that he is not a member of. He wouldn't be able to Charge out of deep strike, and the squad that he's in wouldn't benefit from their "choose when to deep strike" rule.

>>51293967
Looks fine. Instead of melta bombs, get a lascannon instead of the plasma on one of the Tac squads since theyre just sitting on objs.

>>51294176
Cawl is bullshit no matter where he is honestly. He costs way too little for what he does.

>>51294153
> full ravenwing bike spam
Is this the kind of cheese I`ll face with my puny mech guard at 500 pts? I want off the ride mr.Bones.

>Born Tuff

>All orks gain +1 to their armoursave. This can increase it to a 1+

y/n?

>>51294125

She's pretty much Invincible at 1k, unless your opponent brings the D.

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>>51294101
>tfw you summon a D-thirster 9 inches away from your enemy and make the charge

>>51294198
nah, he is far to usefull for his price

>>51294202
no.

orks should have fnp 6+ for free. and warbosses should have same statline as a hive tyrant.

>>51294101
Doing the Emperor's work. Thanks!

Dawn of War

>>51294198
That's kind of the problem with Ad Mech in general. They're way too powerful for the cost once you get the formation. It's retarded.

>>51294212

I didn't think you can charge the same turn as being summoned. Even if you arrive gliding.

>>51294207
Or can make 3 wound constantly.

>>51294190
That makes sense, thanks for clearing that up!

>>51294194
That sounds alright. I'll try that out and if I really find myself hurting for mobility I'll have to try and make room for a Rhino or two.

>>51294202
Just let Cybork body stack, make 'eavy armor cost 2/3 points and be available on more units, and let them double initiative on the charge again.

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>>51294101
>play daemons
>null tide
>betrayed by the warp storm

>>51294065
I don't think you need 2 Wyverns if you're playing <1k, so you could throw that for upgrades and stay within 500 points. Also I'm curious about using Castellans for foot slogging Veterans, it doesn't seem all that great for them compared to units like Scions.

>>51294243
Warp table 24. Move a unit not in combat anywhere on the board counts as moved but can still assualt.

>>51294243
>But can otherwise act normally during the rest of its turn (i.e. it can shoot, charge, ect.).

I kown it's not an actual summon which involves Deep Striking but I don't know how else to describe it

Has anyone tried out a Castellans list with Coteaz? Respawning troops with hatred and objective secured seems solid.

>>51294243
Did you even read the entry?

It isn't summoned, it just comes into being anywhere that is outside of 9" from an enemy unit.

It cant move in the movement phase and counts as having moved for any purpose that involves it but can do everything else normally.

Lrn2read

>>51294200
It's a nightmare to deal with, but it's not common as far as I can tell. He hasn't lost a 1v1 against anyone in the group yet and it's just not fun.

>>51294101
>63
Y tho?

>>51293013
Isn't it worth it to get Venoms for those warriors instead of doubling out on Wraithguards?
I could understand if you gave one group Scythes and the other Cannons so that you could deep-strike the most useful depending on the situation, but this way one of the units is going to be pretty much useless.

>>51294310
Lots of special rules "add 1" to various rolls, this turns that against you.

>>51294262
>CHAOS IS FICKLE

>>51294310
Because even the Warp is thinking "Fuck Tzeentch"

Now you get to re-roll all your 6s!

>>51294101
>66
>...The model can be given any upgrades or options normally available to it
>you can potentially summon a 350 point bloodthirster with a strength D relic by rolling Satan numbers

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Was asking about this last night before I passed the fuck out.
How's this list look? I know it's kinda bog standard but I wanna know if I should mess around with anything before I start buying shit.

>>51294288
1/3 it is basically a normal 2 normal CAD. Since you need 2HQ and well 4 Troops.

In order to get anything useful out of it. You need to either MSU hard, get bikes or stuff like Landraider Crusaders.

It is a nice options for T3 and BT. For normal marines is not that impressive.

>>51293540
Without a Pod those centurions will never get their points back and you can't give them one in a Gladius. Just ally them in with an Hunter's Eye carrier.
>>51293218
Replace plasma cannons with Grav, cut the missile launchers if you have to.

>>51294354
Yep, even when you play grey knights.

>>51294354
Oh lord my buddy and I have 3 blood thirsters and all the other greater daemons between the two of us.

>>51294291

My bad damn. I thought I read that it acts as though it entered from reserves which would not allow it to charge. But, shit okay.

>>51294101
So do events stay after a player draws a new one, stacking them? Or does the previous one get removed?

anyone have the scans for fall of cadia?

>>51293814
This is painful to read.

>>51294356
Just at a glance I tink your devoting too much to the orikanstar so maybe drop the overlord,

Using Obyron without Zhandrek is sinful

Put lash coil on your Wraiths

>>51294384
Persistent ones....persist until the start of YOUR next turn, so after the first turn there is the possibility for two persistent results to be active at any time.

AELDARI

>>51293218
>skyhammer
I despise you and I hope your paint chips.

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So the release was a few hours ago, did anyone buy it already? I'm sure it won't be a bad game (since I trust slitherine), but I'm too much of a jew to spend 28€ on a game that might be just ok.

>>51294175

Thank you Overlord

>>51293013
I can't stop laughing.
Your such a dick!

How do other Chaosfags outfit the 2 mandatory CSM squads in their warbands? 5 man in a rhino with combi and special?

>>51294399
Trying to avoid just bringing every named character in the book. I've honestly never been one for taking more than one named character in an army.

Aside from that I assume you want me to drop the Overlord from the royal court....which requires one to be able to be taken legally as Orikan counds as the Cryptek, Vargard counts as a lord.

>Lash coils
Alright I'll find the points.

>>51294059
Please help.

>>51293228
Shit list shit posting cracks me up every time.
Never stop 40kids

>>51294471
I usually don't bother with the combi.

>>51293228
Idk dude, he`s going to fuck you like a whore, better take 4 warhounds and a imperator class titan, this way you`ll both have the same amount of guys.

>>51294455
I'll pirate it when an updated version is uploaded, I've no inclination to pay to be a beta tester.

>>51294472
I also dislike taking named characters but Obyron and Zhandrekh are pretty much as close to BFFs that zobie robots can be

Also I'd just say drop the royal court, if you devote ~700 point to reoving one unit at a time your going to lose objectives no matter how fast at killing thgings you ar.

Also
>Necrons are a melee race
>Initiative 2

with the spare points get either a bigger squad of Immortals or give them a transport so they're not shot of the table

>>51293814
Oh god what the fuck did I just read?

>>51294544
Necrons tend to be better off in melee than most, as Reanimation makes them quite durable and able to actually survive to swing back, unlike Orks.

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>>51293814
Saved to my copy pasta folder to troll future threads with.

Can I use orbital bombardment out of a transport even if transport has moved? Yes the transport has fire points.

So are we only responding to shitposts this week?

>>51294608
It depends if it is heavy or assault. If it's heavy then no as you would be snap firing and can't snap fire blasts.

>>51293814
>Implying less autistic things happen here

On that note though
Get to the end of OP if you can (it's worth making it to the bottom)
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/288926.page

>>51294623
Barrage, large blast, ordnance 1.
Just getting confused about the whole "if the vehicles move, do the characters inside count as having moved"

>>51294544
See my problem is that I really like Orikan and I'd like to be able to take him.

Like I ain't a fan of the tomb blades truth be told, I don't mind dropping them to 3 for points better spent elsewhere,

>>51294630
It gets worse on page 15... A lot worse

>>51294630
And I felt bad for getting a couple of PoW as Psykers.

>>51293814
>AM
>Low tier

If you're not a retard, you can beat most lists with AM. I like to drown my enemies in Mechanized lists of guard with healthy tank support. I've beaten Orkz constantly, Tau I'm 50/50 on, and every other army aside Eldar and Skyhammer marines I can easily overwhelm my enemy.

>>51294675
>"if the vehicles move, do the characters inside count as having moved"
yes

>>51294675
Yes they do.

For a brief while they flirted with having them count as jinking when a vehicle jinks too, it made sense and was a great idea, but it shat too much on DE players in particular so it got scrapped after a ton of whining.

Why they couldn't have just given DE an exception to this is what pisses me off.

>>51294738
Thanks brah

>>51294712
Not sure if I should laugh, cry, be impressed or just tilt my head wondering how and why?

>>51294756
They probably will when DE gets it new codex
so never

>>51294712
>Read it once... but going back because apparently it gets worse.

Thanks :/

>>51294756
Thanks to you as well :)
Sucks about your boys not being able to :(

>>51294630
I'd tap that ginger bird desu

>>51294712
I don't get it, what's the problem here? These guys seem to be enjoying themselves. Is the fluff cringy? I didn't read that....

>>51294770
Oh you will
Codex: Aeldari
With your Adarki Aeldari Awarriorsi, and Acraftworldi Akini, supported by the Aharlequinsi

>>51294726
I wouldn't call BA low tier either, especially not after their buff and update.
Librarian dreads with a 3++ from electro shield.
Assault marines smashing things to bits with s5 I5.
Heavy flamers on tactical squads deploying in your face using drop pods.
Fast vehicles able to bring an impressive amount of dakka while on the move.
Lots of charges out of deep strike for some pretty good melee units.
Grav-cannon devs, at last!

They're not cheesy enough to be top tier but they're solid mid-tier, maybe not in ITC land but I don't play that shit so who knows.

Shon'Tu dead?

>>51294630
>Those foreheads
...Genestealer cult?

>>51294811
Aeldari is a good name.

Stop it.

>>51294855
And everything make so much sense now.
We found ourselves a cult, inform the Redeemers.

>>51294756
But the units inside do count as jinking per the last FAQ

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>>51294880

>>51294880
How does it feel to have such shit taste?

>>51294805
Slaanesh pls go

>>51294811

kill me

>>51294825
The only armies I would really call low-tier at this point are Orks, Deldar, and non-flyrant Nids. CSM and BA seem to have both crawled out.

>>51294888
Check the FAQ 2:We got rid of half the things we changedoogaloo: Final Draft edition.

They got rid of the passenger jinking bit.

>>51294888
No they dont.

>>51294880
i like it

it isnt perfect and i dont see a reason why we should change it, but ut is okay

>>51294904
If you don't like Eldar, then you wouldn't like Aeldari
it's just Eldar with an A and I on either end

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>>51294630
The cosplays are well made,but something seems so... unsettling and cringy about it. But they seem to have some fun.

>>51294811
>Aharlequinsi
I like it

>>51294825
Fast vindicators are perfect distractions

>>51294934
Eldar are xenos scum

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>>51294904
>>51294909

>>51294943
Yeah it makes me feel yucky inside.

>>51294954
Can the BAs get the mega pieplate from the Vindicators?
Because moving 12" firing a S10 AP2 Ignore Cover 10" Blast from 24" away sounds hilarious.

>>51294969
I applaud to them, the costumes are really good, but come one, something about it seems SO weird. like every male cosplay imho

Shom'Tu is dead?

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>>51294921
>>51294927
Anyone got a link? All i can find is this version

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Daily reminder that Failbaddon had his spine ripped off by Sailor Moon Incarnate

Celestine is awesome!

>>51294954
Fast predators can actually move AND fire all their weapons.
Fast razorbacks can move TWICE the distance of other chapters AND fire an extra weapon.
Thanks to red thirst in all of their formations they're universally faster AND stronger than any other marine chapter in melee.

There are lots of reasons to play them
>But they don't have easy access to relentless grav

>>51294996
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2016/11/22/warhammer-40000-rulebook-final-faq/

>>51295008
That's basically it. If BA had Grav and the core marine formations they'd be top tier for sure.

>>51294986
Thanks to Angles Blade it can,

I once proxied three vindicators ( i only own one) and it was the mother of all distraction carnifarexes, all droppods landed behind them ( in front of the rest of my army), everything scatterd and i won the game because my opponent didnt do anything besides killing them for the first 2 1/2 rounds

>>51294996
https://www.games-workshop.com/Rules-Errata

>>51294943
There is something "wrong" but I can't pin point what exactly.

It almost feels like those people at gay pride event that go naked or with a bloody strap on dildo while wearing full bondage gear.

It is not the gay we have a problem with is we idiots that reduce their entire persona to whom they fuck.


Maybe that is the issue here. They are nerding way to hard and reducing their entire personality to just being nerd

>>51294993
Yeah it just seems too try hard and awkward.
The thing that really gets me is that "artwork" in the OP

>>51295006
Except he only got stabbed in the back and then proceeded to just walk away.

I like Abaddon and Celestine but you need to chill with the shitposting.

>>51295008
BA razorbacks are usefull with las+plas, unlike other marines

The only way to get relentless grav is by using bikers

>>51294986
As of the angel's blade they can.
They can now also take assault marines without jumpapcks and grav-cannons on devs.

>>51295030
>>51295036
Thanks gents I appreciate. Was in a argument with a friend about this.

>>51295036
Wait, where's the Maulerfiend buff?

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>>51294888
>>51294927
>>51294996
Fucking mongoloids.

>>51294455
Can't play as the orks so it's a 2/10 game at best.

>>51295064
No worries mate
I didn't post the reply :(

Plz, guys answer me, Shon'Tu is dead?

>>51295088
yes

>>51295088
no

>>51294031
>It is a good pain!

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>>51295038
wut seemz to be problem ere?

>>51295061
It also synergises well with their troops, seeing as they like to get close.

Turn 1 Las plas razor moves 12" and shoots.
Turn 2 it moves 6" and you disembark your heavy flamer/meltas anywhere you want.
Turn 3 the troops shoot again and charge, s5 I5 is nothing to fuck with.

>>51295054

Yes yes Ezekyle

Also Khorne called, he wants his wheelchair back

>>51295096
>>51295105
MAYBE
I DONT KNOOOOW

CAN YOU REPEAT THE QUESTION?

>>51293506
I love running my krootox and vespids with sniperside support. Pirahnas ,gue vesa fire warriors and pathfinders with devilish are always fun.


Tau can be fun if you dont netlist everything

>>51295105
>>51295096
DON'T TROLL ME.

>>51295068
Unless the chaos faq has been updated AGAIN, NONE of the FAQ questions have been added to that document, and JUST the helbrute errata was added.
Its incredibly unlikely that this is the final faq.

>>51295082
I used to have intense arguments with my group that immobilised skimmers couldn't jink.

They said that being immobilised just meant you couldn't move around, but could still jerk the vehicle from side to side to avoid hits.

Needless to say I had the smuggest face when I went into the club after this dropped.

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What weapons are most effective for a sentinel squadron? My mate bought me a two and I want to get the most out of them. Definitely going to be using armored sentinels.

>>51293457
one of my proudest moments was when i overwatched a nurgle daemon prince with lasguns

>>51295156
Autocannons if you want to splash but multilasers are actually a really decent choice.

>>51295120
i love energybats for them, s7 ds4 on the charge is brutal.
My sanguinary guard is equipped with energy swords and encompanied by a sanguinary priest. Now they hit before spacys, they hit them on a 3+ and hurt them on a 3+, too, while also ignoring their armor...

>>51295142
Then dont annoy me by asking the same question again and again.
Anyway, i think that he is dead

>>51295156
Autocannons or Multilasors are pretty good, but you could also use rockets or las if you want to let them hunt thanks.

I prefer Auto or Multi, though

Can I put my herald of khorne on a juggernaut?

If so should I put him with 2 other juggernauts as escort or have him on his own?

>>51295156
You guard or cultists?
Guard = Autocannon, maybe PC if you're feeling ballsy
Cultists you might be able to spring for more. Especially if you get RttS

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Thoughts?

Celestine with Vanguards
Coteaz with Scouts or Tactical Squad
Cataphractii Captain with Devastators (Slow and Purposeful )

>>51295185
does his codex entry say that you can ?

If you can, then it sounds like a reasonable idea, but i dont play daemons

>>51295185
Yes you can
Juggernauts come in units of 3+ so need one more.

Dogs are usually better because you get 12" Scout

Never run him alone

>>51293590
We should get them in an arbites codex. Massed, cheap troops, as compared to the enforcers themselves.

>>51295156
Multi-lasers or lascannons.

Multi-lasers/auto-cannons for wound/glance saturation, lascannons for armoured heavy weapons teams.

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>Lost an entire guardsman squad sprue
fuck my goddamn life

>>51295235
Should've kept a Commissar sprue around to prevent desertion

>>51294455
it's probably shovelware like the rest of the recent ones.

>>51295235
Fucking Admnistratum, they lose a regiment a year.

>>51292923
how easy would it be to convert some khorne bloodhound from age of sigmar to khorne chaos space marines?

some of the models look so good that i might have to buy gorechosen.

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>>51295235
>>51295252
Im saving that thank you

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>>51295252
>>51295291
I had a hearty chuckle, thanks for that.

>>51295224
to be clear. I cant have a unit of 3 bloodcrushers with one being a herald?

>>51295318
no, you need 3 bloodcrushers and and herold on a fourth bloodcrusher

How good is the Dark Eldar start collecting? And should I run Trueborn or Kabalites?

>>51295375
The start collecting is breddy good, it gives you some core units, even though Raiders are pretty controversial. All you`ll be missing is a venom or two. And only run trueborn in venoms in squads of 5 with blasters, or with your archron. And kabalites in raiders.

>>51295401
Thanks for the advice. I should be able to scrape up £70 by easter aswell. Would getting two venoms and a Kabalite squad be a good idea?

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LOL
Blood Angels Codex has a lot of warlord traits and relic. Classic Blood Angels, Death Company, Archangels(1st company have it's own relic and WT) Flesh Teearers.
WoW

>>51295375
What do you want from your army anon?
Truthfully i'd play with the army builder in the OP, post it here for feedback and THEN start spending money

But that's just me who's been playing DE since 2010 and barely changed his list - th-thanks GW

>>51295447
well, what did you expect of the best marines ?
that they have less than the perfect amount of relics and warlord traits ?

>>51295452
I want to be as fast as god damn possible while dishing out stupid amounts of firepower

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>>51295174
>>51295182
>>51295201
>>51295234
Thanks for the advice guys, I'll probably run Multilasrs or Autocannons, thanks! (I'm guard btw for the one guy who asked.)

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>>51293482

Da Green Jaw Clankers.

Deffskull junkers on Armageddon. They scour the wastelands for scrap and wrecked vehicles using light vehicles and flyers. Fights over who found a particular scrapsite first are common, as is taking out a rival group before they can "report back". Once word does get back to the main warband, they send in the heavies: large forces of Walkers and Battlewagons to both collect the scrap or take out any enemy forces in the area.

The band is characterized by distinctive green paint around the "mouth" area on their vehicles and walkers.

>>51293734
I used to play 40k in the rogue trader era. Back then, the average team was in white or colored primer, if not bare metal. Nobody gave a fuck.

Paint jobs, if present, were also pretty laffo. People used testors model paint that was all shiny and shit because actual 40k paint was hilariously expensive.


Seriously who gives a fuck if they are painted to your standards or not? I dont play anymore but visit a WH shop often for new books and seeing the crowd there...why would you care about impressing anyone? Go play, have fun. Don't be a bitch.

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>>51292983
Honestly anon i wanted this too. Infantry firing lines but god damn everyone just deep strikes in to fuck up my shit or bring loads of heavy armour. Then they complain about tau when the only option is to bring a shit ton of battle suits to counter all their bullshit. Life is suffering.

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>>51295461
Welcome to my Kabal little one, feel free to take what you need in Commarragh's name

>>51295515
Holy shit that's great. I was thinking 3 blasters and 2 splinter cannons for trueborn though. Maybe I'll experiment and see what fits me. Thank you man. I'll make a list now and show you.

>>51295422
>>51295515
Working your way to something like the anon posted it probably your best bet, even though Im not the biggest fan of scourges, but I suppose they have their uses.

>>51295539
Never mix weapons m8.

>>51295541
They're a redundency unit just in case the CTC doesn't manage - frankly i wanted Blasters on them

>>51295375

Depends what you want and shit. DE are weak in the current meta, only Orks are worse imo. Models wise it is a very good deal, in the internal context of the DE codex, everything in that box is useful and good. I also dig every mini in the box aesthetically, except the Archon which looks dumber than the old one.

>>51293684
Correct, playing with unfinished models is a douchebag move.

>>51295567
Meh, Dark Eldar are good enough for me

>>51292923
Is there a reason Codex: Space Marine is missing from the Mega?

>>51295618
Sm squated soon.

>>51295539
That combo only reallyy works if you're using the squad to solely hunt MCs like Riptides - >>51295561 is correct

>>51295567
The Archon is easy to fix, just give him a helmet from the kabalites or reavers and change his back sticking out thing

>>51295375

Kabalites if you need troops,
Trueborn for special weapons

>>51295618
It doesn't have an epub. It's in the other mega with the PDFs

>>51295572
and why exactly ?

>>51295661
grazie

>>51295661
But it does.
CSM do not have epub. Sm have http://www.blacklibrary.com/warhammer-40000/40k-cod-sup/codex-space-marines-ebook.html

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>>51295515
I tried. Any suggestions on some tweaks? This is what I plan to have come Easter

When do you check a vehicle's Invuln save and how exactly do you check it? Roll after a glancing/penetrating would be scored or before that?

>>51295754
Sorry to break it for you, but the list isnt legal. You`d need to split the Kabalites into 2 squads,5 man each.

>>51295762
After glancing/penetrating hits, yes

>>51295762
After a roll to pen is made but before any vehicle damage chart rolls are made. That means you have to save against glances and pens separately.

>>51295786
I'm putting the Kabalites in the raider. That's okay right?

>>51295808
Yeah, but you need 2 troops choices for it to be legal. Trueborns are elites afterall.

>>51295808
You need two Troops choices to make a legal detachment. Only one unit can be inside of a non-superheavy transport.

So no.

Weird question.
Anyone have the Wolf and Sister Comic?
I have a sudden want to read it again and the Blog vanished.

>>51295816
>>51295826
Ahhh I see. So can I run it in a 10 man if I get another troop choice?

>>51295826
>>51295816
>>51295808

Also the bigger point is that DE is probably the worst starting army in the game.

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>>51295754
Here's my take anon, ignore the 1 point over - only WAACfags care about such a minor point over the limit
P.S i'm pretty buzzed atm

>>51295844
Yes.

A good idea for doing that would be another start collecting/armored assault box.

>>51295863
Remove 1 of the warriors from the 10 man raider squad
There you're now under the 1k point limit

>>51295877
>>51295863
>Not playing 1001 point games

>>51292950
thin your paints a bit

>>51295863
Thank you so much man holy shit.

>>51295252
Super kek

>>51295896
>makingn such a rookies mistake trying to help a noobie
frankly if i wasn't several vodkas down i'd be ashamed

I thought about getting back in, but I don't like this whole Fall of Cadia thing.

The last time GW "advanced" the plot, I lost 800 bucks and my will to live.

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>>51295904
No problem, we Kabalites gotta stick together
Remember that THIS is the list you'll be building to 1k, and that if you want something like my 2k list you better damn stick an Agnosier on your Archon model

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REEEEE
how do I paint this guy`s cigar? Its so tiny. I`ll probably blobber his whole face with black before I paint it.

>>51295904
ONE MORE THING
Remember to turn your Raider(s) sidwise when deploying to get that extra cheeky movement (since pivoting doesn't count as moving)

:^)

>>51295959
Thin coats with a fine detail brush

If there's spillage onto the face, then let it dry and go back over with the prior paint.

Let Duncan be your guide.

>>51295962
doesn't work