Pathfinder General /pfg/

As a player how do you feel about a game where you are part of a larger mercenary outfit? Under the following situation:

>1200 men
>one PC is a Major, commanding 300 men
>other PCs are either Lieutenants or Sergeants under the Major
>Above the major is commander and his second in command
>Meaning the players make up 1 of 6 major decision makers in the mercenary company

I am coming to realize likely is only working because I am running it for my friends who are much more comfortable handing over decision making power to another player

>>51263228

I feel that players should not be subservient to others but if it works for them then go for it.

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Hey all, new SoM preview up!

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1pyLq03W2ju58PcKOUq5YXoFowf_weBNzuWtjCMdINXk/edit?usp=sharing

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>>51263228
So how's everyone planning to an hero after you don't get picked for Return of the Juggalo Remix?

Is there any point between taking aberrant aegis compared to the normal aegis?

I usually just take normal aegis with astral skin so I figured maybe I can try aberrant but I cant bring myself to justify taking that

>>51263296
I have no idea what you're talking about. Please explain, I am not in with the hip cool kids crowd these days.

>>51263320
Some people want to be tentacle monsters.

>>51263320
Tentacles, anon.

If you want to build a natural attack or grappler aegis aberrant is dope. If you don't then no, not really.

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>>51263197
Red Mantis Assassins
Hellknights

My two favorite organizations

>>51263320
People keep saying 'oh just use Aberrant Aegis' when I say I like buildamonster classes, but in all honesty, Aberrant is shit outside of tentacles.

>>51263320
I don't like the mandatory shit that aberrant forces you to take, or the fact that the tentacle build is basically all it has going for it. Also, like >>51263411 said, it's one of those things people spout when you say you want a build-a-monster class.

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>>51262911
Yeah, I think I'll have to go with the "abandoned at birth" route with the drow-orc half-breed.
What else should I do with him? Raised in a religious orphanage and became one of the faith-based classes? Nature-loving hermit?

>>51263296
No, don't an hero immediately!

Some of our fellow rejects might say fuck it and be the DM we need!

So, did anyone actually buy bloodforge?
A big update's been pushed out with new art and other mechanical changes.

>>51263197

Is it sad I can tell that art isn't for Pathfinder because the armor looks nice, the faces look nice, and all three of them are white guys?

>>51263455
>am dm
How do other dms deal with pow or gestalt power levels?

>>51263563
Run a few test encounters to see how much hp bloat is needed to have fun then throw them in the deep end anyways and laugh.

As long as you're willing to allow the party to flee, plan, and wage asymmetric warfare on encounters, it's pretty hard to make something too powerful unless you go full retard.

So variant multiclassing for monk. The first level is you gain the monk's armor restriction....but you don't gain the monk's armor bonus? Who thought this was a good idea?

>>51263562
>middle guy
>white
How do you know?

>>51263453
>oh my god, he's hideous!
>wait! wait! honey, it's a misunderstanding, this is jus~
>YOU CHEATING SLUT! YOU FUCKED THOSE PINKSKINS DIDN'T YOU!

Go with an episode of Orc Maury.

>>51263563
1) You need to trust the players to not build crazy things, and rein them in if they do. This is already true even in 1pp PF, but more true in gestalt.

2) Play it by ear. All the standard encounter building tips and tricks apply.
Give up on trying to enforce resource attrition though.

I onow you can't multiple archetypes that change the same class features. What happens if the onky conflict is high level? Am I fine if I just bail before reaching that level?

>>51263282
You were right, this preview had a lot of punch in it. I gotta say, I really like the boxing sphere, especially being able to actually air juggle people as well as launch teammates.

>>51263625
no

>>51263625
RAW you're shit outta luck.

MAYBE if it's high level stuff only, beyond the scope of the campaign, maybe you could get the GM to give you an exception.

But RAW you're fucked.

>>51263625
Depends on the DM honestly. By RAW it's not allowed, but a generous DM might agree and go "yeah, as long as you don't get that high up in that class it's fine".

>>51263562

No. I rarely use art from PF. Just part of the masochism

>>51263603

Intuition!

More importantly, if it was a woman or black the artist would make it very obvious (Paizo does!)

>>51263563
You don't have to do it exactly as the original guy did it. Some anons expressed interest in a Gestalt without PoW or SoP, or even single-classed. If you did want to do exactly the rules the RotJR GM was running with, more power to you, you madman.

Personal preference?
1pp + Forrest + Jolly. Other 3pp stuff on case-by-case. Feat tax rules are yes, gestalt with 25 PB. A lot of DSP stuff, like psionics or some of the feats from PoW, are fine, but no initiating.

>>51263563
Accepting people like me who couldn't abuse the gestalt rules to make an ubermensch even if they wanted to is a good place to start. :^)

>>51263699
>(Lie)

>>51263699
Why would I accept a player who doesn't even know the rules of the game, or the current meta?

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>>51263601
>expecting balanced VMCs

>>51263765
>meta
That doesn't even make sense.

>>51263563
I personally dislike gestalt, but PoW doesn't -really- imbalance things as long as all martials are playing an initiator.

You just buff the mob HP a bit and call it a day. Maybe ban Broken Blade discipline.

>>51263814
>but PoW doesn't -really- imbalance things as long as all martials are playing an initiator.
Yeah that's a problem.

Fuck anyone who wanted to be a blaster caster, kineticist, bomber alchemist, etc.

>>51263478
I did
Haven't checked yet, so would I just check the store I bought it from?

>>51263841
Hey all of those are nice and fit in perfectly, except for kineticist. Blaster casters do absurd amounts of damage if you do it properly, and bomber alchemist isn't too bad off either.

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>>51263324
It's some weeb shit that weeb-faggots here keep pushing, where "lewdness" abounds. I fucking hate them so much.

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These posters from the Humble Bundle aren't too bad.

Is it just me or does it seem like everytime they depict a male and a female neither are the same race?

>>51263324
Rise of the Jade Regeant. The game you made Riktor for.

>>51263899
Just embrace it and become one of us anon, it's not so bad. They let you keep the part of the brain they cut out.

>>51263841
oh no those can work as well.
obviously not a standard kineticist, but a Gambler (blaster caster), Avant-Garde (turns with eidolons), Onslaught Sniper (I've run the numbers. Different optimization path, but very capable) or the like, those all can do well. Very well in fact.

Or of course a channel or rounds type Avowed does the job as well, and that's EXACTLY what the Turbo-type Spellburst is designed to be thrown in with, so that's at least three types of blaster caster warlocky models covered without much effort.

Bomber Alchemists have a few paths of their own as well, and their /day bomb limit basically comes down to "1 or 2 full attacks of this ability per encounter per day".

>>51263930
>Is it just me or does it seem like everytime they depict a male and a female neither are the same race?

FUCKING LIBKEK PROPAGANDA

>>51263930
>San Francisco based company
>Not pushing race-mixing

Come on, don't be racist now, it's 2017 after all.

>>51263949
>a Gambler (blaster caster), Avant-Garde (turns with eidolons), Onslaught Sniper (I've run the numbers. Different optimization path,
A really fucking hate that there is no easy way to make the kineticist not Con based.

>>51263955
>>51263958
/pol/ mind, please leave.

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>>51263955
>>51263958
You know what they say. Every chocolate girl needs a little vanilla.

>>51263976
But CON based is a good thing isn't it?

>>51263976
Can I get a rundown on why con based casting is bad? I was under the impression that it would be a good thing since everyone wants at least decent con already.

>>51263612
>drow
>orc
No pink here, brah

>>51263930
Its a easy way to make characters look different. Same with one male and one female.

Also you need to stop getting triggered.

>>51263958
Seattle, actually.

>>51264011
Well, there's one they got that depicts a white human male and female pair. They're being defeated. I'd post it but it's 16(!)Mb.

>>51263930
Is it just me, or has Crowe's armor gotten progressively bulkier?

>>51264003
>>51264005
Yes, it's mechanically the strongest casting stat, but I honestly prefer a more standard mental stat based casting.

>>51264053
So cerebral kineticist from KOP 1? Like that sounds like what you're looking for here, it modifies the base class pretty lightly.

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What's the crow race here?

>>51264066
Not compatible with any of the archetypes listed because they all modify the class really heavily.

>>51264073
Tengu?

>>51264073
Tengu

>>51264040
>if they aren't white, something is wrong

>>51264073
10m sprint

>>51263999
Why did the magus iconic have to be so shit

>>51264040
I feel like you guys are really over analyzing this shit.

Are there tieflings in Pathfinder?

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>>51264116
You I like. Very funny.

>>51264053
Why?

>>51263976
Two feats can set the stat to WIS or CHA instead, see one of the DSP kineticist pdfs.

The first feat is a prereq that lets your HP go off WIS/CHA instead of CON as well, so it's not a bad deal.

>>51264141
No

>>51264141
Google

>>51264147
Anyway I can change it to Int so I can have all my bases covered or am I out of luck?

Also doesn't that feat require several others that need you to be either an abberation or a plant?

What's a good item for a martial under 4k gp that isn't a weapon or armor enchantment?
DM is allowing any one item at that price or less, no idea what is good because I had actually planned to take cash for a magic weapon.

>>51264146
I just do. I'd rather my mage be smart, wise, or charismatic than just "tough". Let's you keep the standard feel and flavor.

>>51264161

Can't tell if true or not, since this one and d&d shares the same fanbase.

>>51264187
>Anyway I can change it to Int so I can have all my bases covered or am I out of luck?

Int was specifically left out. Probably to avoid skillpoint cheese.

>Also doesn't that feat require several others that need you to be either an abberation or a plant?
It's only a two feat chain. Yes, you need to be a weird creature type, but the Reborn trait in Avowed (Or the new Mixed Blood trait in the Bloodforge update) let you qualify.

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>>51263282
>Trade out feats for Practitioning(?)
This will either be pretty worth it, or pretty trash.
I will wait and see

I played Hell's Vengeance today, it was fun! I didn't do much grappling (and it wasn't that spunky) but I did do a lot of slashing, killed a goo thing in one hit, stuff like that!

GM was a pretty cool guy! One of my compatriots should have the logs up soon!

>>51264202
>Let's you keep the standard feel and flavor.
You have an odd definition of flavor, D&D has never followed traditional magic as it's described in mythology.
>>51264205
....
>http://www.d20pfsrd.com/
And the answer, you mongrel idiot, is yes, there are tieflings.

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>>51264205
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=Pathfinder+tiefling

>>51264226
But will save cheese is fine?
>two feat chain
That's still a pretty big fucking opportunity cost.

>>51264258

I've just become very mistrustful of information in wikis or any information at all.

>>51263320
Other reason to take Aberrant Aegis that other people haven't mentioned is if you want to use Astral Skin but want to be able to use an actual psychoactive skin as well.

>Got rejected from Dragon Game
>DMs always seem to reject characters that were recycled from previous apps
>Just have to throw her away apparently

>>51264236
>You have an odd definition of flavor, D&D has never followed traditional magic as it's described in mythology.
Yeah, but generally energy based stuff and heavily magic focused classes all rely on some kind of mental stat and I'd prefer to use that as opposed to just constitution.

How do I encourage or integrate RP, I'm getting bored with so much dungeoneering and combat.

>>51264228
Is that ripped from a NSFW pic?

>>51264275
Then you are a fool, a mongrel, and indeed not muh nigga.
>>51264286
So you want to keep the sacred cow, is what you are saying?
>>51264293
Are you DM or player?

>>51264283
Who was she?

>>51264283
It's because it's goddamn OBVIOUS.

It's one thing to keep the concept, but another thing entirely when someone at most changed a few words in their app, and maybe missed a spot or two.

This may not be you specifically for that last part, but there WERE both Molthune and Dragon apps with that exact problem.

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>>51264310
what do you think?

>Checking applications to my game
>Most of them are generic donut steel stuff
>And then there's the fucking colt .45 wielding, gas-mask wearing combat medic
Jesus H Christ.

HVGM here.

First session finished, great times were had by all.

Our "heroes" successfully collected back-taxes from a tannery operator, before retiring home to their dilapidated ruin of a hideout. After meeting their mysterious benefactor and receiving some wonderful weapons, forged from silver, Fleur-de-lys was treated to a face punching by an angry bathtub inhabiting pile of undead slime. This was quickly cleaned up by our Spunky Bardbarian merlady, who happened to acquire a silvery gem encrusted greatsword as her reward for the job.

Soon after, a great feast was shared between them, as they drank and told stories throughout the night, into dawn.

>>51264335

Player.

>>51264275
Congratulations on learning something new today then because the pfsrd is basically the official resource for all of this crap.

Being mistrustful of "any information at all" also makes you sound like a complete retard.

Honestly, switching from Con to a Mental stat on a kineticist is such a big fucking nerf I'd let somebody do it for free.

So instead of lots of Hit points you either get lots of skill points(on a class with pretty shitty skills too), a fat will save, or straight up fucking nothing.

>>51264275
What possible reason would someone have to lie to you and tell you that tieflings are in Pathfinder when they're not?

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>>51264351

>>51264335

There's no truth, only degrees of lies.

>>51264335
It's not really a sacred cow. I'm glad the option is there. I just don't like it and wish there were more satisfactory ways to get around it.

>>51264345
What game anon? And link?

>>51264338
Well, I'm actually expecting a PM from Dragon DM, so I'm going to not name myself in my whining for at least a day or two

>>51264293
Are your fellow players all silent murdermen?

I have this issue as the DM. The players just... don't talk except for one guy, and then he tells me that he doesn't like that he has to do all the talking, but the rest of the party only speak for irrelevant comments.

>>51264390
Alright. Well, if I ever get around to running my own game, maybe I'll get a chance to reject her too.[/bully]

>>51264345
Wait, that doesn't sound like a bad character at all.

>>51264275
>I've just become very mistrustful of ...any information at all.

How the hell do you live?

>>51264395
Maybe they aren't interested in whats going on.

>>51264345
Does he just troll around at all times or something?

>>51264355
Talk to the DM, first and foremost.
If the players are not doing any rp, try to draw them out by needling them a little, bring up things you have seen about them, logical questions often ignored because "muh quirky party".
>>51264372
Eat shit.
>>51264381
Play one of the many, many other classes that work the way you want?

Would anyone here be interested in a mildly degenerate high level weebish game where the party plays as the retinue of a lazy deity who runs an inn at the center of the cosmos which caters to the needs and desires of traveling gods?

Rules would tentatively be:
Start at level 16
No Fullcasters
Yes Avowed
Yes Initiators
No Broken Blade, Black Seraph, or Primal Fury
Yes Pact Magic
Yes Psionics
Yes Spheres of Power
Some Advanced Talents (Case By Case)

>>51264416
In Pathfinder?

>>51264386
Game I'm preparing to run in a setting I'm building.

This is the application in question: https://app.roll20.net/forum/post/4458904/applications/?pageforid=4482920#post-4482920

>>51264416
Sure, but I've seen him apply to other games with it, paying no regards to whether or not it would fit the game.

>>51264141
...
Yes, yes there are. There are a lot of race options for PCs.

You don't visit this general often do you? There is usually at least one person every other thread talking about an "exotic" race they're playing.

>>51264413
I was a runner up at least

>>51264429
There aren't any good In or Wist based blasting classes in Pathfinder. Especially now that blood havoc is a thing.

Really there aren't any good blasters except Sorcerer and Kineticist. Charisma and Constitution.

>>51263282
Hey Joll.

Is the Striker's Tension entirely separate from the Henshin Hero's? Just figured I'd ask. Since they're pretty similar.

>>51264420
They express interest all the time OOC and during the week, but when it comes time for their characters to say anything, they decide not to. It seems pretty clear that they don't actually like the idea of roleplaying and just want to roll dice and get fat numbers.

>>51264442
>tfw I recognize those Fallout 4 mods
I guess he probably figured if it was a world with airships they'd have guns and gasmasks...

>>51264437
I would. I very much like high levels and haven't been able to do it enough lately. I have a good idea of what I would play a well.

Every good inn needs a brewer, and a brewer needs a brewmaster.

>>51264438
Sure why not. It's not like that stuff doesn't exist in the setting to begin with. Like Numeria and Alkenstar, and that's not counting those portals to literally-fucking-Russia

>>51264442
Ah now THAT is less good there. If it had been such a character written with your game in mind, it would mean someone who's put some thought into it and will be bringing at least one fresh perspective on your world.

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>>51264473
I'd say so since I never saw the Henshin Hero, but if you wanna combine them, go for it.

>>51264481
>Guns
There is a nation that has the Commonplace Guns rule (no Modern Firearms, though), but I think he took a very liberal interpretation of that.

>>51264497
I can't be mad at the guy, he really does seem to want to play that character, and maybe in the future of the setting it could POSSIBLY work, but not at the moment.

>>51264497
>. Like Numeria and Alkenstar, and that's not counting those portals to literally-fucking-Russia

A one time setting specific portal that's from a fucking AP really isn't a strong justification for a character.

>>51264437
could be interesting.

>>51264459
Avowed and Turbo Spellburst are also good blasters, and one could argue a warsoul if using energy weapons as elemental stuff, although most would rather consider that an 'archer' of some kind.

>>51264532
>Avowed and Turbo Spellburst are also good blasters, and one could argue a warsoul if using energy weapons as elemental stuff, although most would rather consider that an 'archer' of some kind.
So I'm out of luck if I want to be Int based then? Damn.

I got bored with the pre-made character that I've been forced to play. How do I engineer his death, his brother's death and his friend's too? For reference, low-caste, beardless, thief dwarf who loves his Paladin brother, and is a friend of a one-eyed drunk.

>>51264526
It's got more support than someone from Absalom would have, though.

>>51264011

Sounds like Paizo's just shit at drawing people, if the only way to tell two men apart is if one's black and the other has breasts.

>>51264532
>>51264490

Alright, as soon as I figure out how to roll20 a game up, I'll post the link.

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You fuckers thought I was joking!

>>51264554
Crowe isn't black. He's Shoanti, so he would a native american.

>>51264549
It's because so much not-blaster gets to win the game with it instead, right down to "and you can use your int for all these other skills as well now!" stuff. Even one of the top martials; the Warder.

>>51264574
About what?

>>51264344
... I recognize that Mienshao but I don't remember who it's from. God dangit.

>>51264577
I don't' really see why that's a good justification given that all the other stats get to win the game with stuff.

>>51264522
aw, his backstory's less fun. needs a better writer.

>>51264591
My gut says sunibee or however you spell it

>>51264606
Not justification, explanation.

As in "well they already have int everywhere starting with the top of the core, is probably why it was avoided"

>>51264577
Wisdom
>Clerics
>Druids
>Shamans
>Ordained Defender which is now practically warder default now.

Int
>Wizards
>Arcanists, which are basically just wizards.
>Default Warders.

Is there a legal way to hunt-down mages?

>>51264608
He definitely tried, and if he had followed the setting a bit more closely (and had stronger writing skills), the character could actually be very interesting.

I'm hoping some more interesting characters apply before I close the applications, at least.

>>51264633
If magic is illegal in your setting. Yes.

>>51264622
>"well they already have int everywhere starting with the top of the core, is probably why it was avoided
What EVERYWHERE. You get skills and Wizards, but your not going to be a wizard so it's a moot point? I don't understand.

And I don't get why Wisdom is exempt from that given that that gives Will Saves which is just as if not more important.

>>51264635
Oh ho? Maybe I'll apply as well. Was there anything in particular you were wanting? Or will my shota trap kitsune be aokay?

>>51264650

Is there any class that it is good at killing wizards?

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>>51264659
Paging 2hu to teach us why Int is the better stat due to its superior options.

>>51264709
Wizards.

Grapplers.

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>>51264715
>it's a "DUDE INT TO EVERYTHING LMAO SO BROKEN" episode

Can we not

>>51264709
A 5th level Warder with Cursed Razor can have a fun time shutting casters within close range down for a Round with Extended Defense.

>>51264715
What superior options? Spend a bunch of feats or a trait so you can be an okay face? I don't' get the logic of "strong classes are Int based so we shouldn't make weaker classes that are Int based"

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>>51264709
Wizards

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>>51264345
Want me to apply to your game with a cute waifu, anon?

>>51264741
Especially since there really aren't any Int based options that aren't full casters.

>>51264688
I mean, you /could/ apply with that if you want to, but I'd prefer something different.

I was aiming for a more serious in tone game compared to what I've usually run.

There haven't been any real caster applications (except for an Oracle, I believe)

>>51264756
If you'd like to. It's not intended to be a /pfg/ game, but if people from here end up playing, that's alright, just don't expect lewd content or anything.

>>51264709
Autismfighter
A Slayer with with Assassinate, but that's only if its a shitty wizard

>>51264789

What IS autismfighter?

>>51264437

>No Primal Fury

Why? I don't want to break the game, I want to have fun!

>>51264628
There's more INT classes than that. And since you went with 3pp as well:
>Psychic
>Sage Sorcerer
>Occultist
>Alchemist
>Magus
>Witch
>Psion
>Cryptic
>Mechanic Gunslinger

You have an item appear ingame labeled "Belt of Dread Pirate's Booty."

What does it do?

>>51264788
I was joking about the shota trap kitsune. It seems your game runs while I'm at work so it's a moot point anyways. For what it's worth, I read through the setting file you had provided and think it's an interesting setting. I wish I could play but...

>>51264829
Butts

>>51264829
It makes all my gold become platinum but if anyone but me touches it, they become cursed. The curse will turn any platinum they touch into gold, and any gold they touch into silver and any silver into copper... AND COPPER INTO DUST.

>>51264829
Either attracts sweet booty to you (situational bonus to Charisma/skills), or gives you one.

>player go into city and try and purchase wand of lightning bolt
>told them wands of lightning bolt are illegal
>tell them they might be able to find one if they convince a wandwright to make one illegal or purchase one from the black market
>tell them there is a good chance the black market will price gouge them
>tell them schmoozing with a wandwright will probably be cheaper but dangerous if he hands you over to the law
>player stopped listening 5 minutes ago
>is fucking furious wands of lightning bolts are illegal
I don't understand.

>>51264829
+2 to Acrobatics, +4 to Profession (Sailor)

Once per day can conjure half a bottle of rum.

>>51259397
>says to make sheets
>doesn't say where to post 'em

>>51264821
Wait, isn't Primal Fury one of the Problem Disciplines?

If it's not, I'll allow it.

>>51264829
Guys already like my booty, thank you.
>>51264864
>half a bottle of rum.
ABSOLUTE SHIT.

>>51264836
That's okay anon, thanks for looking anyways.

>>51264860

!notGun control makes some people very angry.

>>51264828
Okay then
>Soulknife
>Cleric
>Empryial Sorcerer
>Shaman
>Ordained Defender
>Spellburst Savant(actually why the fuck is this one Wisdom to begin with since it's all about tinkering with spells)
>Vitalist
>Mystic
>Spiritualist
>Stalker
>Default Gunslinger(what's a mechanic gunslinger)
>Unchained Monks
>Primal Disciple
>Myrmidon Fighter

>>51264890

It's a problem when abused, same with Broken Blade.

When you see a Greatsword-wielding warrior use Broken Blade strikes, that's what makes it a problem.

>>51264894
Everyone can like booty some more, anon.

And it's a half bottle because it needs synergy with the Garters of Dread Pirate's Booty to get the full bottle.

>>51264890
Primal Fury only really becomes an issue if you are like PFS and hate pounce, or use boosts from other disciplines (like BB) to add a lot of bonus dice.
And Black Seraph? Why?
Look, anon, the real issues with all the disciplines are basically low level concerns. Past level 6, they all even out, even if there is a defined tier list.

>>51264911
I mean, a wand of magic missile isn't illegal, nor or scorching ray. Fireball and Lightning Bolt is illegal because that is beyond self defense. An expert with a wand of fireball could easily kill hundreds before being located/stopped.

>>51264894

Your booty is rubbish!

>>51264912
Oh and Contemplative Wilders

>>51264040
Just screenshot it?

/pfg/ how do I into roleplaying?

I have been playing pathfinder for years but never actually RPd. My fellow players do it but it scares the shit out of me and my mind always draws a blank.

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>>51264921
>Everyone can like booty some more, anon.
Mine is plenty, pants that fit my hips to waist are a pain already.
>And it's a half bottle because it needs synergy with the Garters of Dread Pirate's Booty to get the full bottle.
So why not get TWO bottles?
>>51264944
Your face is rubbish!

>>51264944
A-at least they have a booty, anon... most merfolk don't have one.

Is there any race or class that can manipulate luck or fortune, thematically at least?

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>>51264938

!notGun control makes some people very angry.

>>51264911
SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED

>>51264976
Just stop caring so much about how you come off to other people and have fun with it. Try to portray your character well without thinking about how other people receive it.

>>51264912
Living Legend soulknife is INT.
Aegis also Int.

>>51264990
Halflings, thematically and mechanically.

>>51264990
Halfling, Adaptable Luck. Gain +2 on any roll 3/day.

>>51264976
Anon, one, take a shot, hit the blunt, chill out.
RP is literally just talking to someone else as though you are the character speaking, not you as a player.
Make small talk to other pcs about your day, some of your adventures, silly shit like that. Don't worry about doing something "wrong", that's how you mindwhammy yourself.

>>51265003
>Aegis is also Int
Nominally. They function fine without it.

>>51264962
See >>51264574

>>51264574
Erection.jpg

>>51264938
>wands of fireball are used exclusively in the mining industry to blow tunnels through mountains.

>>51264978

Your booty is like curdled milk!

>>51264938
But by that logic, wouldn't you then have to lock up, banish, or execute every mage just to be sure none of them could cast fireball?

See, when you try and tell your players "you can't have X toy" just because you're worried they'd misuse it, they're going to hate you. And when you're offering nothing but trap options to your players when they need magic items to stay competitive with monsters and enemies, that's bullshit. This should be an opportunity for a side-quest, where you let them *earn* a wand of lightning bolt.

>>51264990
there's literally a halfling archetype based entirely around it I think.

>>51264976
Its just acting anon, just without the physical movement element. In otherwords its voice-acting.
You do know how acting works, right? Its not that bloody hard

All the two of you are proving is that there's a fuckton of wisdom and intelligence classes already.

>>51264919
>>51264934
Hmmmm... alright then.

>>51265053
>But by that logic, wouldn't you then have to lock up, banish, or execute every mage just to be sure none of them could cast fireball?
I'm running a campaign themed around that.

They are a squad of Psionics (and another class, it's a gestalt game), trained to be mage hunters. They are employed by the God-King in his "Remove all magic" campaign and are sent to ruthlessly hunt down and execute any magic user.

>>51264574
The problem is you're dividing things into 'white' and 'not-white.' Amiri is Kellid, Ezren is an Absalomian. They're just about as different as two 'white' humans on Golarion can be.

>>51265003
Also
>Harbigner
>Hidden Blade Rogue
But for wisdom
>Marksmen
>Medic
>Malefex

Honestly they seem tit for tat on a lot shit. I don't see why blasting should be exempt.

>>51265087
Shush, anon, you are trying to speak sensibly to idiots, /pol/lacks and trolls.

>>51265086
Because psionics are so much less powerful and couldn't possibly cause mass death and destruction.

>t. butthurt psion

>>51263478
I'm looking at it now
New format
And Some new better art, which makes the older art look worse. And Blinklings Still look Awful, no wonder a RotJR app went anime

>>51265102
That's the thing anon, nobody wants to address that possibility in the world because the Psionics always seem to get killed on a mission before their powers advance to a level that would make them a problem.

But yes, you're totally right, and hopefully the PCs catch on.

>>51265096
I just hope that's actually Amiri. Loincloth and big sword, right?

>>51265102
>Because psionics are so much less powerful
They are.
>couldn't possibly cause mass death and destruction.
Define mass. A psion can destroy a city by himself, but he can't turn a grave yard into an army or start bringing in demons.

>>51264984

Well, if they're the kind that has to be carried around everywhere like a pokey little pudgemuffin so they don't slow everyone down, it'll happen.

>>51265127
They're upper end Tier 2s. There's no difference between psions and sorcerers or oracles; only prepared casters with the flexibility advantage over them are T1.

You're not going to successfully kill one with level 6+ powers just like it's basically too late for any regular full caster. If you CAN, it's because you've got some even higher level full casters doing it.

>>51265036
But they don't really create concussive force, they're pretty much just fire. Seems like Stone Shape would be better.

>>51265012
>>51265059
But when it comes to understanding my character I don't have a clue and can't think of anything to talk about or how they'd act in a given situation.

>>51265036
It's very low pressure, just a heat pulse. Not even a very hot one either.

You won't blow tunnels through mountains with those things at all.

>>51265199
>They're upper end Tier 2s. There's no difference between psions and sorcerers or oracles;
Yes there is and this why the tier system is shit.

Powers are much, much weaker than there arcane/divine equivalent most of the time and most of the Psionic tier two stuff is shit like "can teleport" which is locked behind a discipline. Astral Constructs is much less versatile than Summon Monster and that's not even touching regular ass summoning.

Is there a Tier 1 class that it isn't a caster or full-caster?

>>51265206
Just make them special Admixture Wizard wands then, acid damage to melt stone.

>>51265253
No.
>>51265240
>Fireball
>not hot
Is there a damage to Fareinheit converter or something?

>>51265236
>understanding my character I don't have a clue
That is a problem you need to solve asap.
How do you not understand your own characters mindset and approach to the world, anon>?

>>51265053
>But by that logic, wouldn't you then have to lock up, banish, or execute every mage just to be sure none of them could cast fireball?
You go on a registry.

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/pfg/ how do I megumin? My DM allows 3e and 3pp materials.

Currently I'm thinking of going battle sorcerer for higher BAB, War Mage of Krynn so I can get CHA to AC and +3 damage per die up to 3+CON times per day, Elemental savant so all my spells are fire spells, and Sanctified One of Kord so that all my fire spells deal unblockable divine damage. Arcane thesis and Cross blooded Orc/Dragon are necessary too for an additional +2 damage per dice and metamagic shenanigans.

Any other suggestions?

>>51265236
>But when it comes to understanding my character I don't have a clue and can't think of anything to talk about or how they'd act in a given situation
Then make the character with a built-in personality in mind, as well as motivations, likes, dislikes, and essentially just make them an actual person.

Making characters that can be roleplayed is not mutually exlusive from making characters that are also balls of stats. You can do both. How is this a problem?

>>51265277

Does the Tier system apply at all lvls or only at higher levels? Which would be the ideal level cap before things get out of balance?

>>51265290
SoP, Incanter 1/Sphere Sorcerer 1/Elementalist X.

>>51265290
>/pfg/ how do I megumin?
Sphere Sorcerer or Elementalist, Soul Candle, minmax for damage, the whole 2hu build, minus the alignment drawback.

>>51265322
>>51265326
Would those be better than +5 damage per dice with metamagic reductions on a normal sorcerer?

>>51265326
>Soul Candle
You mean Soul Fire?

>>51265337
No.

>>51265339
yeah, that thing

>>51265280
>>51265300
I suppose I just make a character sheet with a name on it and I am not confident enough to act a character.

>>51265339
>>51265363
If so then he's better off with 3.5 autism. Spheres can't hold a candle to that .

>>51265053
>This should be an opportunity for a side-quest, where you let them *earn* a wand of lightning bolt.
I mean, isn't that what he is giving? Get in good with the mob to get ones off the black market or make a wandwright friend who is willing to do some shady shit.

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>Fluffy is the only lewd game currently accepting applicants
How did this come to pass

There are quite literally dozens of thirsty players. You could pitch anything and you'd have at least ten applicants.

>Who wants to go to purgatory to overthrow a psionic god-king that kicked out Death and made it his personal domain? The icing on top is he's not keeping the elder gods in line because he doesn't believe they exist. As a soul however, your physical form is subject to... tampering.

>>51265309
Tiers have to do with narrative strength. A wizard is powerful because they have the option to, by spending money and adding spells to their books, be able to simply wave their hands and have things happen that would otherwise be a struggle or a challenge. At 1st level they can grease a hallway to stop attackers, they can make guards fall asleep, they can make their friend Large so that he can reach a higher point in a building or dungeon (including carrying people up) or turn them Small or even Tiny to get them into places they otherwise couldn't reach. And they get even MORE tricks up their sleeves as they grow higher in level.

Now, note that tiers exist separate from individuals. A wizard that focuses themselves completely on a theme (for instance, "Dragon Wizard" where all of their spells have to do with dragons or thematically connected to them) is going to end up weaker than one who just chose all the best spells, but the fact of the matter is there POTENTIAL is still encapsulated as a Tier 1 caster. At the end of the day, you're going to have to manage your party and figure out with them when things should be dampened before they get out of hand.

>>51265446
>There are quite literally dozens of thirsty players. You could pitch anything and you'd have at least ten applicants.
Because as a GM I really don't want to cater to the wank material of a bunch of neckbeards.

I'd do it, but only if the people offered some proof that they were both female and attractive in real life. No, you know what, attractive males can get in too.

>>51265337
No it wouldn't but thematically it's closer to the original vision of Megumin.

>>51265446
>You could pitch anything and you'd have at least ten applicants.

I dont see you offering to DM

>>51265369
>I suppose I just make a character sheet with a name on it and I am not confident enough to act a character.
Yeah, that is probably the problem. I have no idea how you could have gone so long without thinking of some kind of character or at least backstory for your characters, especially since these are ROLEPLAYING game. Its just like a game of pretend like you'd play with the other kids when you are younger. Just get yourself inot the immersion/actor mindset, and the rest will go from there.

Unless you have actual literal autsim or aspergers. In which case, I suggest self-help and counselor service to help overcome that bit

>>51265475
The only system I can adequately DM is 5e and I'm currently pissed off with it

>>51265468
But would you let attractive men play as cute girls?

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>>51265468
Why do they need to be attractive in real life? If their character's cute, that's all that matters.

>>51265446
Are YOU offering? Because if not, all you're doing is adding fuel to a fire that doesn't have any stones to keep it contained.

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>>51265473
Hmm, I'll take a look at it then! Thank you!

>>51265277
It's enough energy to momentarily get told to about 1050'C under perfect conditions. The release is near instantaneous as well however, which is good for damaging extremely weak materials (like eyes and paper) but will almost as rapidly radiate and bleed-off from tougher materials such as steel.

>>51265446
I'd offer but I want to build up my skills at DM-ing IRL first and I wouldn't want to do lewd.

>>51265499

Weak excuse anon. Better step up your game if you think you can shitpost here.

>>51265509
shouldn't you do that the other way around? anonymous lewd posters are probably the most forgiving

>>51265499
>But would you let attractive men play as cute girls?
Yeah sure.

>>51265500
Also we would use video.

>>51265509
>I wouldn't want to do lewd.

Do want

>>51265444
Either of those could get the PCs screwed over. Going to someone else, saying "I need authorization for this wand", and getting told to slay some monster/solve some problem is a quest. Getting told "Choose a hole and bite the pillow" isn't.

>>51265522
Probably, but literally 100% of the games I've played in the past have had voice chat or been IRL so I'd probably keep doing that, which means I need to learn how to handle people while they're talking to each other.

>>51265500
uh... source?

>>51265538
>Going to someone else, saying "I need authorization for this wand", and getting told to slay some monster/solve some problem is a quest.
So what you're saying is if anything has a chance of fucking you over then it isn't a sidequest?

Fuck off.

>>51265446
I just wanted to give Jade Regeant a try. I'd honestly prefer shit not to be "lewd" as they put it. Romance and dick jokes are all fine and dandy but full on smut, nah man.

I've been toying with some campaign ideas, but I'm not sure if /pfg/ would like them and I'm not a very experienced GM to boot.

I can't wait to start introducing custom magic items to my party :)

Anyone have suggestions for fun magic items I can modify?

>>51265534
Would you still want if I said it was a session of my own creation that relied on my players all being variations of the same race?

>>51265588
Take off the name and don't use a fucking emoticon. God damn, could you sound like more of a faggot?

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>>51265576

Well, you're not going to become more experienced by not running games. Share some of those ideas if you like-odds are, you'll get some interest.

>>51265532
>video
What is wrong with you?

>>51265477
It's only recently I have been trying to experiment a bit. Thanks for your advice anon(s) it will come in very handy in the coming weeks.

>>51265626
I want to look at cute girls. Since it is ERP they are free to masturbate on camera.

>>51265612

Maybe. Probably. Post setting and race.

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I don't even know why I come here anymore.

>>51265646
>Look at cute girls

You aren't going to find any here, friend.

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>>51265576
Really, that's mostly what people wanted. "We know this shit exists and will make jokes and references to it, but will probably keep most of it to PMs or FTBs". If you were to run with that in mind, you'd probably have plenty of anons all over you. At least, depending on your chargen rules, and whether they like your ideas. Which you should probably share, because hearing ideas is usually fun.

>>51265678

Even the 2d girls are meh at best

>>51265678
And that's why I don't run ERP games.

What are some cute Tiefling features besides goat horns, reddish skin, black sclera with gold irises, a prehensile tail, and a firm, round butt?

>>51265615
Fuck off?

>>51265711
tiny hooves

Well I'm done making my alchemist for Mountain Time DM. I kind of wish we had been given a place to submit our sheets before they left for work though, because I'm exhausted.

>>51265711
This has some tables you should look at.
http://www.pvv.ntnu.no/~leirbakk/rpg/adnd/races/adnd_races_planescaperaceslist.html

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>>51265711
Base it off of a fiend that isn't a succubi and take features from them.

>>51265711
Smooth scales. Bluish skin, as if they died by drowning/asphyxiation. Bony ridges growing on limbs, back, or joints. Bizarre striped markings.

>>51265719
No, you fuck off.

>>51264938
Hm. This is actually semi-reasonable. Your player is a faggot.

>>51265446
It came to pass because the others closed apps, ya dangus.

>>51265670
My friends and I ported Dragonborn to PF, I've posted them here a few times before. Different colors have different stat arrays so you're not all expected to work with the same build, and the setting begins with all PCs being young adult-aged DB who are participating in a festival to welcome them as the newest adults of the tribe.

After showing off your strengths by doing various minigames around the festival, the PCs get to all come together in a mock battle against the chief, who after he is beaten gives them a task to go out on an adventure to retrieve an item for the protection of the tribe.

>>51265711
A giant mouth in your stomach. Being hairless. Double jointed knees/elbows. Lack of eyes. Extra eyes. Needle like teeth. Overlong limbs.

You're a fucking monster, act like it.

>>51265758
Glabrezu is my fave. What are good Glabrezu-blooded traits?

>>51265774
Calm down, mate. You're free to post emoji's alongside us as well (*＾3＾)

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>>51265758
cute AF

>>51265781

So its a kobold game?

>>51265821
If Kobolds didn't suck dick, yes.

>>51265802
ok no I agree with him now fuck off

>>51263478
So Bloodforge got an errata and update before PoW?

>>51265711
literally whatever you feel like. You could just be some normie-looking ass motherfucker with horns and a devil tail if you wanted.

>>51265801
One or two vestigial mini-arms on your torso. Chitinous plates growing on your shoulders or back. Fan-like ears.

>>51265840
You just don't know how to run kobolds.

>>51265841
( ˃̣̣̥ω˂̣̣̥ ) Rude!

>>51265840

Neat. Make a roll20!

Who's the best at spear shenanigans?

>>51265887
I know that Kobolds are limited to just breathing fire, which is boring, plus I'd rather not play with everyone being small.

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>>51265887
Seriously? Are you really going to do this? Stop namefagging for no reason.

>>51265887
No seriously stop namefagging. Fucking christ.

>>51265959
>>51265982
You know you're taking their bait, right?

>>51265863
Yep

So are there any cool games coming up? If so what are they? DHB is doing something weird I thought. What exactly is it?

>>51265711
A mouth that looks somewhat ripped-open, like a Glasgow sort of thing.
Hair that expresses itself as if it were a tail or alive.
A shadow that shows the real thoughts of the character.
Scales, really just scales.

>>51265982

Shut up faggot

>>51263282
Fucking amazing, Jolly. This is so promising that it has entirely killed PoW for me. Now, critique and feedback time.

>Athletics
Swim is less shite now, so that's good. I'm liking that rope swinger allows you to deal some damage, though it should probably allow you to limit the hooked creature's movement as a net/lasso. I'd still like to see rewards for other risky movements though, other than baiting out their AoOs. Bonus damage for elevation over your foe, using Unwilling Boost to treat the target as flanked if you jump behind them, bestowing a minor (-2AC) penalty to foes you springboard off of with with Wall Jumper/Run, etc.
>Boxing
Fucking A+ flavor. Maybe add a thing where you can ready an attack as part of a full-round total defense action (allowing you to regain focus.) The fuckery that readied actions should at least be addressed, if not bypassed - you already spend your turn hoping that your action is triggered, it ought not to tank your initiative as well.
>Guardian
Thank fucking God you used Warder-style aggro management instead of MMO-style mind control. Solid work.
>Open Hand
Clean up Axe Kick to specify if the enhanced strength modifiers are in addition to or as a replacement to the normal strength modifiers for damage.
>Armiger
If I have to wait until level 15 (one shy of four iterative attacks) to get Lightning Assault, I shouldn't have to expend my martial focus. Consider dropping it to level 10 and removing the focus at 15, even. Fun class, though.
>Blacksmith
Why on Earth is the blacksmith of all people not proficient with heavy armour and shields? I get the leather apron aesthetic but the guy who twinks out full plate should know how to use it. Siegesmith ought to give you siege weapon proficiency considering how narrow it is. Rapid Maintenance ought to come standard. Reforge should have an upgrade to swap around the enchantment bonuses as well.
>Striker in next post

>>51266035
No, but if you wait a week I'm sure like 3 more lewd games will pop up, cause a lot of shitty posts, and then not be run.

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>>51263282
>Striker
PUNCH GIRLS FUCK YEAH. Please specify whether or not abilities like Adrenaline Rush are a new way to spend tension or a rider effect for whenever you do spend tension.

>>51265932
>limited to just breathing fire

Holy fucking shit.

>spheres called it 'practitioner level'
this kind of annoys me, it feels like we're getting too clinical and forgetting we're in a fantasy game. Just call it Warrior Level, you nerds.

>>51264990
C R O U P I E R

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>>51266053

>Athletics
I've passed this along to the crew, we're going to see about more daring stuff, but we might have a class that focuses on that too.
>Boxing
This was my babby, and we plan on giving a sidebar about held actions because that's all dumb as hell. Full round defense trigger will probably be something we do though.
>Guardian
It was the only way that made sense.
>Open Hand
That's fair, gonna clean that up now.
>Armiger
Bringing that up to Stack, that's his babby.
>Blacksmith
This is more of a complex issue; we're going lighter on the proficiences to balance out the initial bonus talents. Siegesmith will give siege weapon prof though, and we're discussing rapid maintenance now.
>Striker
This was 100% my class, and I can do that, although this gives me an idea for another talent.

>>51266166
That's just confusing.

>>51266243

>A Brawler-girl will never punch you in the face and dislocate your jaw

Why live?

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>>51266290
Live for the punch girls, anon. Live for them.

Also remember we're going to be running an AMA over on Reddit tomorrow around 4PM EST, not sure how long it's running, but we'll be taking questions about SoM and how heroic I am.

So Avowed pacts don't actually need to be pacts or agreements or links to other beings? Am I reading this right?

Then why call them pacts or the class Avowed at all?

>>51266346
Same reason that sorcerer "bloodlines" don't need to mean that your grandpa fucked a dragon or how someone can multiclass into that or Oracle; it's got default fluff, but it's not required by any means based on your campaign or setting.

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>>51266290
>MFW

>>51266346
>So Avowed pacts don't actually need to be pacts or agreements or links to other beings?

What? Of course they do, it's just very flexible as to how that agreement manifests itself.

You could have anything from an Avowed (Fiend) as a Faustian Warlock that signed a literal contract with blood to get power... Or an Avowed (Elemental) is a guy that's got a lightning elemental keeping their nervous system operating and, in return, feeds off the energy of those they slay.

>>51265917
I might, but like I said I want to get some more practice in with my friends IRL first, no need hyping you bastards up with a session if I end up not even being all that good, ya dig?

>>51266364
Yeah but mutation or magical augmenting still implies some weird genetic shit, so bloodline can still fit.

All the language and tone of the Avowed seem to emphasis links and deals and shit, but then it just goes "jk you get the power and can pretty much do whatever you want with it with no consequence" which i feel kinda defeats the point.

Like the language of the rules, the class name, and ability names, etc scream Apple but there's an insistence it can be a kiwi.

>>51266243
Good stuff. Keep up the Saving Pathfinder/good work.
>CAPTCHA: close roundabout
Yes, I do get Jojo vibes from Striker, Captcha.

>>51266438
Even in the core book, Sorcerer says that your power could come from such sources as "your ancestor made a pact and it finally shows itself to take you as a price, so congrats on Infernal spells" or "you died shortly after birth but came back through CPR, so now you have Undead powers". The fluff is mutable as long as the mechanics work in a way that makes sense.

Ay, /pfg/, ya'll want another game to apply for?

>>51266499
Always

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>>51266457
Striker's probably the most 'video game' class I wrote, the idea for tension was mostly based off of a video game super bar (I'm a huge fan of competitive MK X), and I think being able to keep tension up is going to be a lot of fun.

There's quite a few abilities you can take, I also plan on having an [Extra Striker Talent] feat, so you won't have to worry about losing out on that. This is the first of two classes I wrote, the other being our Paladin, the Champion. And yes, it can be any alignment (except true neutral).

>>51266499

yes pls :c

>>51266499
yes dear god

>>51266499
please. preferably GMT+8

>>51266494
It just feels super weird making an avowed and fluffing it as anything else as getting handout from another entity because literally everything about the class points away from that.

>>51266499
>willingly going through heartbreak as another character is rejected
Sure thing, might as well, what more have I got to lose at this point?

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>>51266528
>inb4 anon is just teasing us

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>>51266499

If it isn't Game of Thrones in Brevoy I'm going to cry.

Then again, I'd cry if it was.

>>51266518
>except true neutral
Disgusting fucking neutrals.

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>>51266538
Gimme like, 20 minutes to fix up something.

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>>51266518

>Tension
>MK X

??

>>51266585
ever played fighting games?
I think he's refering to the combo meter and the super bar

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>>51266585
I know it's more a GG term (of which I'm also a big fan), I just meant mechanics wise, a lot of this stuff felt like things from MKX that I really liked.

>>51266552
I sure hope not. I'm feeling down in the dumps tonight and planning a new character might help pick me up.

>>51266567
What makes a man turn neutral ... Lust for gold? Power? Or were you just born with a heart full of neutrality?

>>51265446
Here's another one if you're really that thirsty.

https://app.roll20.net/lfg/listing/66858/the-sleeping-goddess

>>51266619
I need to play an Anti-Paladin based on Zap Brannigan at some point before I die.

>>51266346
>So Avowed pacts don't actually need to be pacts or agreements or links to other beings?

...Yes, they do?

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>>51266606
>Roman Cancel for the striker when?

>>51266645
This is the stupidest fucking thing I've ever seen.


Give me a minute.

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>>51266383
Ah well damn. Seriously, I love the mechanics of the avowed(for the most part) but the fluff is just so fucking unappealing to me.

>>51266645
>Potential same timeslot as pendragon

Damn, can't apply before seeing who gets into that game first.

>>51266692
Then... you can refluff it? Like, there's no laws saying you can't.

>>51266346
Avowed pacts are defined by being powered by a pact/bond to another other beings. The big thing that separates them from more standard faustian bargains is that in their case, it's not being given a bunch of power by their patron—they're psychic mages who draw their magic from the link itself.

A patron or partner is needed in order to provide the seed for this link, after which it's sustained by the avowed. The power is theirs, but it's very rare for an avowed to be able to pull themselves up by their own bootstraps (that's what esoteric pacts are, specifically).

Mind, many patrons and partners WILL ask for or require more elaborate bargains or contracts. It's just that the things being offered isn't the power of an avowed, but something else on top of it. A devil might begin an avowed's pact in exchange for their soul (if they can convince the prospective avowed that it's necessary), but more likely, they bargain for something larger—service in exchange for contacts or wealth, etc.

Or as >>51266383 suggested, additional bargains that tie you more tightly to the patron or partner. But overall, the power comes from the pact itself, the psychic link between the avowed and their partner or patron. And in order to do that, both parties need to agree to it and /make/ that pact.

>>51266438
You get the power and can do pretty much what you want with it, but that doesn't mean you haven't gained or promised an obligation. However, if group wants to do /more/ with that, that's something you all need to decide. This isn't a cleric, where the power is constantly sent in packets by your superior. You can't "fall" as an avowed, but that doesn't mean you're not beholden to your contract. If you promised a devil 100 souls in exchange for your power, and renege on that, you won't lose your power, but you /will/ gain an enemy.

>>51266694
Looks like that's just when applications close.