/srg/ - Shadowrun General

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>>51257623
Aw, man, and I had Freaky Girlfriend Edition ready to go too.

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>>51257648
I got cop edition up 12 seconds after this. We've got a pile-up!

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Are you professional killers in it for the money, or for the love of their work?

Asking because I didn't get an answer last thread: why exactly are AIs such shit hackers in 5e? I have looked at Data Trails, but can't quite see what makes them shit at hacking. Also, is an AI rigger viable?

>>51257684
I'm in for the Money, but killing is often way too noisy, for my taste.

>>51257684
My streetsam is running the violent side of the shadows because he really doesn't know how to do anything else. His two previous careers were soldier and cartel mercenary, and before that he was just a kid toiling under the hot sun on the family farm in Aztlan.

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>>51257684
I'm in it because those damn dirty technomancers ruined my life and stole my family from me. Crime-money is the only thing keeping me alive, and the crime gives me a chance to get back at them.

>>51257691
AI hacking leaves you open to a lot of biofeedback, because they have no good way to protect themselves and they're always hotsim. And if you get disrupted, it permanently cripples you.

>>51257767
So they're glass cannons, but not enough cannon to be worth the glass.

>>51257782
I'm also pretty sure they can't use programs like a decker can, which gives them less flexibility

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>>51257684
I am in this to impress my friend at Ares so I can get into the family. But don't tell the other runners.

>>51257803
Okay, I phrased that weird.

I ain't >>51257767

>>51257691
They don't have the raw power of a decker or the flexibility of a technomander. Per RAW you can't even use Diagnostics to act like a pseudo-Machine Sprite. Literally the best thing you can do with an AI is use Exceptional Entity and jack your charisma up to 13 and dump absolutely everything else, including Depth, to just cheerlead people and bruteforce your way into being a face.

Honestly, a Free Sprite would probably be a better choice for an AI PC.

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Post guns that work as Shadowrun guns please.

>>51257803
>>51257852
My understanding from Data Trails is that they can run less programs because they take up program slots on their own cyberdecks. That said some of these advanced programs look really nice.

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>>51257866

>>51257870
They all suck. Every last one of them. Especially since their very presence racks up an OS score like no tomorrow.

>>51257623
I'm actually interested how you chummers act.
Have been playing for around two months and dont have much examples of proper runners.

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>>51257866

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>>51257877
They're making a carbine version with an extended rail and handguard now too. Pretty slick looking.

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>>51257866

>>51257886
Except for the rigger ones, but those aren't relevant to the discussion at hand anyways.

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>>51257923

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>>51257934

>>51257925
Whoops, meant to link that to
>>51257878

Anyhow, a lot of runners don't have a fully functional moral compass but, if you'll allow me to extend the navigation metaphor, still manage to find their way by astronavigation.

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>>51257952
Man, I wish assault cannons were better.

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>>51257964

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>>51257964
Don't we all

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>>51257982
Ever since Robocop I've wanted to just fire a huge fuck-off cannon at stuff from point blank range. But no, they have to be white elephants and outclassed by smaller guns anyway.

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>>51258016
I could work if there was special Assault-Cannon only ammo that gave it more AP or something. As it is, every new bullet which works for the AC is better in a sniper.

>>51258016
>But no, they have to be white elephants
>White elephants: a possession that is useless or troublesome, especially one that is expensive to maintain or difficult to dispose of.
Well there's an idiom I've never heard before.

So if a character has an AI girlfriend at chargen, does he have to have purchased the drone she lives in? Does he have to have the Dependant quality? Both? Neither? And how much does it cost to outfit a drone with orifices that an AI gets "pleasurable" feedback from?

>>51258016
now that I think about it for 5k you can get semi-automatic grenade launcher that deals 32 DV and double tap Baret can do =16AP. Why would someone ever use Assault Cannon?

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>>51258239

>>51258292
What? Every runner team needs a little element of comic relief.

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>>51258239
I would put it at the 6 Karma Dependent; it's a live-in girlfriend that regularly but not always puts time commitments on you and gets in your business, and the 20% lifestyle markup covers keeping a realistic drone in good repair. and buying industrial-strength maid outfits

>>51257684
My decker in it for the money, certainly, and he is a professional, but he's hardly a cold-blooded killer at this point.
He takes efforts to minimize loss of life, including using gel rounds against low-intensity enemies (basic security guards, that sort of thing) and even mostly stuns hostile deckers with biofeedback attacks.

His explanation is that he finds dropping lots of bodies while working messy and that eventually causes long-term problems, but the truth of it is he takes no particular joy in killing and if possible would rather not kill anyone at all during runs; he's a professional who takes pride in his work but he's out there to make money and live a life, not get people killed.

>>51258336
I think I can speak for a lot of people here when I say that waifus are never funny.
The reason is that you're going to get hooked on the AI girlfriend yourself, and you're going to feel that the "cute" interactions between your character and their AI girlfriend are funny and heartwarming when the rest of the group doesn't.
I've seen it a lot of times, and it never ends well. It's too easy for people to get nonconstructively attracted to waifu characters, and making them yourself risks causing drama because you're cramming your own tastes in there.
If you want to do it for the sake of the character, write the character's tastes to be different from yours, and reduce the specialness quotient of the cyber-waifu by making it a drone running a personafix or something else that isn't inevitably going to end in you derailing the game with that same fucking moral about "the nature of humanity and the soul" that everyone has seen a billion times before and that always ends in the same way.

>>51258272
>semi-automatic grenade launcher that deals 32 DV
What kind of grenades do 32 DV?

>>51258363
>industrial-strength maid outfits
I don't get it. Each half of the phrase makes sense on its own but when you put them together I'm just confused.

>>51258428
Seconding this, this information may save my character's life at some point.

>>51258428
Semi automatic complex action burst fire.
3 grenades out. With HE first one deals 16 DV with -2 AP second and third deal half DV and AP as per multiply explosion rules for total of 32 DV, -4 AP and -2 do dodge.

>>51258470
Hm. And what's the burst radius on that? I'm curious to know if this is a viable way to defend against a home invasion.

>>51258470
>Overkill status: Engaged!

>>51258392
My pacifist mage would love to run with your decker.

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>>51258499
Standard blast radius; it's only the DV that goes up (adding half of the lower DV to the full higher DV) and AP up by 1 per explosion.

>>51258470
>burst fire 3 grenades and have them all stack up DV like they're separate attacks.
I'm skeptical about allowing this. The rules are balanced around only one attack per IP.

It's like firing 3 bullets and giving three different attack/soak rolls.

>>51258499
Lets see for minigrenades it was 5-50 with no penalty and -2 damage drop-off per meter. -2 for each grenade or for the explosion itself I am not sure. Lets say -6 DV from the point of origin.
>>51258554
no no no. Overkill would be Mitsubishi Yakusoku rocket launcher at complex action for 6 missiles fired with -5 to dodge.

>>51258616
Each bullets doesnt explode covering 8 meters of radius though. But yes this is extremely cheesy and you should not allow it unless suddenly all NPC also start using it.

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>>51258616
183 of Core gives the rules for multiple stacking explosives, in the section for grenades/missiles/rockets and right alongside the rules for chunky salsa.

Explosives have always been fucking soybanana-crazy in SR. Just don't scatter.

>>51258592
Interesting. Now, if I were living in an apartment at a Low lifestyle, what would you say my floors and walls are made of? Trying to determine exactly how much property damage I might be doing here.

>>51258669
Depends on where you live. It could be anything from bare concrete to wet drywall. If the former, then minimal. If the latter? Don't expect to get your deposit back, to say the least.

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>>51258669
Low Lifestyle= Cheap Material. 2 Structure, 4 Armour.

You will not get your deposit back.

>>51257684
Sammy, only in it because have no other skills due to no education/gang upbringing.

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>>51258239
>a character has an AI girlfriend

>>51258653
>>51258666
There's got to be a more sane way to rule it. Burst fire isn't meant to give a damage bump like that, and especially not going from 16 to 32.

Maybe I could make burst fire grenades just reduce the threshold for landing the explosive? Take it down to 2 for burst fire, 1 for long burst, and 0 for complex FA?

>>51258669
HE grenades are not for home defense. It's like, the opposite of home defense, because it destroys large chunks of your home. Get flashbangs if you don't want to blow up all your stuff. Using that ruling for burst-fire you can still get 20S even before chunky salsa.

>>51258707
>>51258725
You'll be surprised how easy it is to get your deposit back when you've got a gun pointed at the landlord's head.

>>51258669
A lot. >>51258470 is the thing to keep up your sleeve until the situation really, really, really warrants it because collateral damage will be a bitch.

>>51258786
Do you really think that a land lord in a low lifestyle neighbourhood doesn't have a gun or two of his own? Or a whole fucking gang backing him up?

>>51258805
True, but is the landlord really going to fuck with a guy who responds to a home invasion with not one but three HE grenades? I've probably got him and his gang way outgunned, and if he thinks otherwise....well, I'll just get my deposit back with a crowbar.

>>51258867
I guess it depends on which gang is running your apartment as a side hustle at that point.

Trust, if you're living there and can afford HE grenades, do you really think the guy that owns your house can't buy some too?

>>51258914
Maybe, but he's got more to lose by using one in his own building.

>>51258956
Listen, do what you want, I'm just saying there's better things to start a gang war over than your deposit in a fucking low lifestyle apartment. That said, tossing grenades around there is probably likely to start one anyway.

>>51258787
The GM have warned me that there is a good chance of drawing the wrong attention and getting brand as terrorist if I was to use that.

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>>51258867
>is the landlord really going to fuck with a guy who responds to a home invasion with not one but three HE grenades?
He won't have to. Unless you're living in the Barrens or some other place where the police aren't even patrolling, the moment you set off three grenades, Knight Errant are going to be on your ass in no time.

>>51258867
>but is the landlord really going to fuck with a guy who responds to a home invasion with not one but three HE grenades?
With the way Lifestyles work? Yeah, he'll even evict your ass in a heartbeat if you miss your rent, too.

>>51259049
>Unless you're living in the Barrens or some other place where the police aren't even patrolling
I said Low lifestyle, didn't I? I've got 1d6x12 minutes to grab my stuff, get my deposit back and get the fuck out before the bronze arrives. And it's not like I'm ever going back, because
>any shadowrunner worth their salt
>ever going back to a dwelling that's been compromised

>>51259245
A case could be made that the runner is bad for allowing it to get compromised in the first place, but yeah. Drek hitting the fan happens to the best of us, omae.

>>51259245
well if you want max damage just stuff a crate full of grenades and use microtranciver as detonator.
20 grenades would deal what 160 damage with -21 ap?

>>51259367
Woah there bucko, I just want to take out whatever killteam breaks into my place, not blow up the whole building.

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Rate/Hate

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>>51259417
800813/10

>>51259393
And 32 DV isn't going to do that to a Low apartment?

>>51259489
Judging by the chapter on explosives in Run&Gun, no. 75 DV would be required to completely destroy an apartment. There's going to be a hell of a big hole in the floor though.

>>51259417
Minor fluff issue. There's never been a female Red Samurai. Renraku's section in Market Panic starts with that. But you can choose to ignore it at your table.

>>51259599
IIRC there is one in Gaishu's former team in SR:HK. But the video games are not exactly cannon.

>>51259417
>>51259599
It also says that people attempted to diversify the Red Samurai but the non-human, non-male, or non-Japanese have all washed up.

You could have been one of those folks. It wasn't your skill that was the issue, just good old prejudice kept you out. Of course unless you want an excuse to wear glorious red Samurai mil-spec body armor.

>>51259599
>>51259620
Wiki says that a "vast majority are Japanese and most are men" but doesn't mention that women are barred from entry like filthy metas.

>>51259675
Don't rely on the wiki, it's filled with fanon and isn't kept up to date

>>51259675
Page 134 of Market Panic states no woman has ever been a Red Samurai.

They're forcibly washed out or killed in accidents.

>>51259245
Have fun getting jumped at your next lifestyle ad infinitum. You better hope your landlord is only connected to a shitty go-gang. If they're Triad, Yak, or Vory affiliated? You're a goner.

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>>51259417
>very image of the best that Renraku's special forces and the JIS has to offer

>is a woman

dishonorabru/10


But get another SIN at R2 (or buy one immediately in-game), and I'd slash your CHA by 1 to get your BOD up to an odd number for the other box. I understand why you went in on all the different combat skills for fluff reasons, but I'd pull points out of at least one of them and get Pilot Ground Craft for your Yamaha. Because why have a motorcycle without being good enough to sword some guy in the throat as you go by.

>>51259664
She is already a secret lesbian for that magical realm washout

>>51259675
The wiki is out of date and has numerous mistakes. Anon pointed out that one of the most recent books confirms there are no female Red Samurai.

>>51259747
>You better hope your landlord is only connected to a shitty go-gang.
What, you think I didn't deliberately pick an area with gangs I knew I could take if push came to shove?

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>>51259599
>>51259664
>>51259740
>>51259751

Dammit.

>>51259817
But don't forget that the Red Samurai are only the most elite of Renraku's security forces. They still have plenty of female goons guarding their facilities.

>>51259785
You never know who those gangs belong to, or if your info is incorrect or who exactly the landlord is connected to. You also have to factor in if your team will help you for this pretty rude behavior.

I'm just sayin' mang, it's never a good idea to pissed off a group of people. Either they ambush you at the worst time, or they ambush you at the absolutely worst time.

>>51259817
>>51259417
>>51259599
The Red Ninja however are considered to be the spy-dishonorable-black ops counterpart to the Red Samurai.

I don't remember a blurb saying they were prejudiced against metahumans or women there.

>>51259890
You what you're saying is "geek them before they get the chance to ambush you".

>>51259817
Nothing stops you from being a MTF Red Samurai.

>>51260009
That's just getting into a whole new quagmire. Then your only reason to run is to clean up your messes, it's not cost-effective to geek a whole gang over them wanting to geek you because you're nutty.

Just get flashbangs and monowire. Simple, easy, but super messy.

>>51260009
If you start pulling that, you're going to end up living on the streets, because reputation is a thing

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On the subject of killing everyone, how would you stat this man in SR?

>>51260754
EDGE 8

>>51260754
Some sort of vampire? The hell is this gray man

>>51260754
For starters? Edge 8 and REVELS IN MURDER.

>>51260781
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hatred_(video_game)

>>51260781
Nodim Portent.

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>>51260821
Wow

>>51260781
His name really is Not Important.

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>>51260821
>organ doner

Every fucking time

>>51260821
>organ donor

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>>51260821
>Sex: Never

In case yekka is around:

Adding cyberlimb modifications to a drone's default cyberlimbs (anthroform drone) while in chargen results in nuyen being ADDED to your character, not subtracted. Infinite money is nice and all, but hardly rules-as-intended. Also clicking on these modifications crashes Chummer immediately.

Awesome tool though, many thanks.

>>51257684
He needs to run for the cash and the contacts, it's a life-or-death situation. He's an E-Ghost who needs the money to custom-grow his own replacement body in a corp body farm, and he needs the connections to transfer his conciousness into it via CFD nanites. If any of his team realised this they would shoot him in his metal face.

>>51261082
Dude, just give a anthrodrone Realistic Features 4 and enjoy your techno-immortality.

>>51259751
>But get another SIN at R2

For extra redundancy or is there a special reason?

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>>51261295
You want to have at least two SINs; you you can use for regular life, and one for special run purposes like legwork in public places, where you want to broadcast a SIN but don'ta want to have your real ID in the records. Anon has one at R4, which is reliable as your everyday account, but another at R2 is cheap enough to use in dangerous situations while still being replaceable.

>>51261366
I wouldn't use the r4 for every day stuff unless you live somewhere particularly high security and expect to get burnt at some point just buying groceries. Which you shouldn't. Just don't keep more than the minimum amount of money necessary in either SIN account, incase shit goes down.

>>51261798
>unless you live somewhere particularly high security
Omae, that's when you invest in R5-R6 SINs.

>>51261830
Which you can't get at chargen without blowing 10 karma

>>51261864
Yeah, but my point is, using R4 for everyday life is expected and necessary. You're flat-out wrong for suggesting it be used in that fashion.

>>51261082
>custom-grow his own replacement body in a corp body farm
There's something that's left me scratching my head.

If fast growth clones are easy to produce but their brains are useless, and slow growth clones are viable for biodrones but take way too long ... why not just scoop out the useless brains, then replace them with functional brains?

>>51261883
>R4 for everyday life is expected and necessary
You seem to expect it. Necessary is very iffy, particularly if you don't need to live 20m from corporate hq.

>>51261928
Again: You want a HIGHER rating sin than that if you expect to live in those places. You really overestimate the strength of Fake SINs.

>>51261886
There's a bit in Chrome Flesh that talks about this. To paraphrase some of the Jackpoint commentary, it's like trying to install a V8 into a donkey cart; the shit you need to connect to just isn't there.

>>51261956
>if you expect to live in those places
There's the kicker, chummer. You. Aren't.

>>51261992
What "kicker", you dumbass? You need at minimum a R4 SIN for everyday living, and yes, that includes low lifestyles. I don't know how hard it is for your moronic ass to understand this.

>>51261883
>Yeah, but my point is, using R4 for everyday life is expected and necessary.
>not paying for everything you possibly can with a credstick
What is this, amateur hour?

>>51262024
>credstick
>not using cold hard cash like the good old days
Wasn't this thread supposed to be about professionals?

>>51262057
Credstick, cold hard cash, barter system, whatever, it's all good so long as it keeps your rent payments and day to day purchases off your fake SIN.

>>51261883
>You're flat-out wrong for suggesting it be used in that fashion.
not that anon, thanks for noticing

>>51261985
>There's a bit in Chrome Flesh that talks about this
I got the stuff about connecting gear to the shit brain (you can't) or removing it entirely (you can't), but for some reason 'uploading your brain' via CFD never sounded like a brain transplant to me. Maybe it's the uploading and the CFD.

>>51262020
Whew. You're an idiot. Next you'll be saying you need to watch out for corpsec patrols in the barrens or outside the puyallup tourist zone.

>>51262057
There is physical cash in Shadowrun?

>>51262269
It still exists.

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>>51262269
Nuyen is pretty much standard all over the world, but some countries still use hard currency and corps have corpscript which you can only use with them.

>>51262205
That's exactly what the donkey cart metaphor was concerning; the same way there's no fuel lines, radiator, driveshaft, etc in a donkey cart, the neural pathways needed to upload your brain (even with CFD) just don't exist in wimps.

>>51262322
I thought that corp script was just another virtual currency, huh.

>>51262225
The only dumbass is the guy thinking a R4 sin isn't mandatory for anyone who wants to live outside of the friggin barrens.

>>51262402
>he doesn't pay for everything in cash or credsticks
>he leaves a digital paper trail behind

>>51262336
Uploading is a transference of data, though, which makes it a poor analogy to use when talking about the installation of wetware. Doubly so when they mention what is literally a data transfer (CFD) in the same conversation.

>>51262494
That's just how it is, omae. The brain of a wimp is simply incapable of doing anything other than maintaining the body's vital processes going and developing the body into the same life stage as the client. The Jackpoint commentary says you can't even turn these things into biodrones, and you can turn a cockroach into a biodrone for fuck's sake.

>>51261366
Actually a "basic" SIN check is stated right there in the core book to be a Device 1 rating SIN, so unless he gets REALLY lucky and scores a hit on BOTH of those two dice he's rolling a Rating 2 SIN will pass basic checks, and even he does just make the rating the system will tell him the SIN is "funny" rather then false.

Higher security areas will definitely have a higher SIN check though.

>>51262402
>expecting to get high rating SIN checked in a puyallup bodega
>ditto in industrial districts where wageslaves and fake SINners mix in the workplace
>double ditto in the residential areas that border industrial zones
Calm your tits.

>>51262616
>he still thinks I'm talking about squatter and below ''lifestyles''

>>51262402
Not him, but there's absolutely nothing in any of the books that says that at all.
Is your GM real strict about that sorta thing then?

>>51262634
>residential areas that border industrial zones
>squatter
That's literally the description of a Low lifestyle area.

>>51262638
SR4 was more detailed about this sorta thing. Basically, for 'decent' living situations (like Everett, Snohomish, etc) you want a R4 SIN.

>>51262663
You're flat-out wrong.

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>>51262666
Oh really Satan? Then how come that's just what Run Faster describes Zone D neighborhoods as, while also stating that Zone D is the default neighborhood for a Low lifestyle?

>>51262666
Fake SIn also worked differently and were significantly cheaper in SR4. It's almost as if some rules about how things work change between editions. I mean I understand the desire to use the much more clearly written 4e to fill in gaps with 5e, some things are just not equivalent and it doesn't hold up. SINs are one of these things.

>>51262580
>That's just how it is, omae
Well ... not exactly. That's just how people have interpreted the information thus far, which fits with what we've been told to expect from the setting elsewhere. If I've learnt anything from /srg/, it's that commonly held interpretations that never get questioned are the bane of understanding.

>"You can’t fully remove the brain from a cloned wimp ..."
... for the purposes of keeping the body as a self-maintaining bag of spare parts with no brain. Which is why it then goes on to say how you can keep them effectively brain dead.

Turn it around for a moment. Surgically attach a fast growth clone body to someone. Is there a problem? If so, then fast growth has more problems than just the brain.

>>51262976
>Surgically attach a fast growth clone body to someone. Is there a problem? If so, then fast growth has more problems than just the brain.
that's not how biology works though.
attaching an infant body to an adult brain would cause a whole lot of other issues, if it even would be possible at all.

>>51262832
I generally in my house game use SR4 prices for cyberware (the SR5 ones are based off of earlier edition prices but fail to take into account the literally completely different dice mechanics, which is a bad idea), but I myself keep SR5 SIN prices because how they work is pretty different in SR5 and doesn't stack up with SR4 prices and stuff at all.

>>51262736
You're a fucking moron.

>>51262976
>commonly held interpretations that never get questioned
Except the commentary goes as far to say "biodrone wimps don't exist, trust me, we've all been looking for them".

>>51263079
>resorts to ad hominem when confronted with proof from the sourcebooks
Stay mad, dork.

>>51262976
If that kind of method worked with ANY kind of reliability, leonisation wouldn't be necessary.

>>51263094
Yes, they've been looking very hard for fast growth brains used in biodrones.

>>51263051
>attaching an infant body to an adult brain
Sixth worlders use all the fast growth bodies as spare parts containers (brain excepted) for people of all ages.

>>51263219
Then that would mean there are problems with fast growth clones beyond the brain itself.

>>51263059
How do they work exactly? The book isn't clear about when your SIN and/or license gets checked; as far as I can tell, they get checked every time you legally purchase something with a device rating from a corp store, and the device they're going up against has a device rating equal to whatever you're purchasing. Plus they checked at border crossings, airports and whenever you get pulled over for speeding, but what device rating you're going up against there is really up to the GM.

>>51263434
I applied basic logic to it; a regular scan is basically just a Device 1 "check if you have one" thing that catches most SINless pretty easy because they aren't runners who can afford fakes.
It's basically a cop or whoever asking for ID, in this case always security or law enforcement since most purchases just ping you with a "have or have not" and don't do any checking.
Nicer and more exclusive neighborhoods will check more extensively (Device 2 to 3), and high-security zones will basically ALWAYS ask for ID and do more to through checks (Device 4-6).

As to how, I remember it being a simple device that scans the SIN and then checks a database (which in most cases is run by Renraku), with weaker Devices just checking if the SIN is real (Fake SINs are real, they just don't belong to you usually, which is what makes them so easy to fail a thorough check), and more thurough checks involved a detailed query of the system and an active comparison of data.
Compare a bartender asking your ID and you showing it to him to a Secret Service officer asking your ID, calling a number, doing a more extensive check on it and then doing a background check I guess, only happening automatically.

This is just my house game and extrapolating it from how security checks in life work and doing something similar for simplicity's sake though.

>>51263376
No, the problem with fast growth clones is that they have all the brain development of a 9 week old fetus; any movements made are uncontrolled twitches (which are why they're kept in tanks full of sedatives), and you can forget about higher functions.

How do I build a shapeshifter in chummer? I can't find any of the options.

>>51264014
You don't. I haven't finished fixing the clusterfuck of their attributes in career mode yet. I mean technically it works, but you can't switch between the attributes so the skills always use your shifter stat.

So "realistically speaking" how does on carry out a run on a space station? Is such a thing even possible? I must admit my knowledge of spacestations and their existence in shadowrun is pretty much nonexistent but i figure Saeder-krupp or Ares have some presence up in the great beyond?

Hey, newbie shadowrun player here. What would you guys say are some good augments for a decker to run with?

>>51264114
The ones that make them brainier

>>51264130
But what if I already have my logic and stuff at the max that our GM set for character creation?

>>51264114
Wired Reflexes. You WILL have to AR hack at some point, and one extra initiative pass can save your team's life.

>>51264223
Specializations. The "Devices" specialization covers most things you should be hacking. Codeslinger for Hack on the Fly/Brute Force costs 7 Karma for two dice, a great deal for your core matrix skill.
Also the secret to the 5e Matrix is that you're meant to hack to slaves of host through direct connection. This bypasses the Master protection and gives you an easy three marks to the Host. Then have fun.

>>51257684
My Ork is an ex-black-ops operative with severe PTSD. He's too broken for anything else, so money.

>>51264405
Oh, nice to know. So far we've played only 2 sessions and I'm still unsure of what all I can do as a decker, so it's nice to get tips like this. Any other good tips to know for decking? What can I do in a combat situation? Any good utility augments? Sorry if it's a lot of questions, it's just that I'm enjoying being a decker cuz it means I have to think more than just "walk in room and swing sword."

>>51258499
>radius
Fucking gigantic. A HE grenade only loses 1P of damage per full meter you are from the point of explosion. That means that if it's a 32P blast, you're still resisting 22P from 10 meters, 10P from 22 meters, and have to be fully 32 meters away from the point of impact before you don't have to resist even a small amount of damage.

Grenades are for volleys from a long distance. They're suicidal to use in anything even resembling close quarters.

I've contemplated a Shadowrun game set around organized crime (either being a part of an organization or acting against one) for a while now.
Realistically, how fucked would a group (or just an individual) be if they went against the mob in the Sixth world? Which organized crime group makes for the deadliest adversaries?
If running fast and loose and shooting for a more pink mohawk style of game, which group would be the most 'fun' to be a part of, in your opinion?

>>51264523
If you have time to prepare, hacking opposing guns, cyberware, etc, do so. Dropping mags and turning off cyberware is super fun. If not, just shoot guys, even if you aren't great. Full auto compensates for poor aim.

>>51257684
Because now that his "Sensei" quality has had to be swapped for "mentor spirit" he's got a REALLY good reason to become even better at his chosen profession. All for the sake of finally pulling off "that one last job"

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>>51264544
Or you could just use a frag grenade inside buildings, you know since fragments doesnt really bounce of walls.

even if my GM is unshakeable in his belive that they do an "chunky salsa" applies to them...

>>51264671
Isn't chunky salsa less the shrapnel and more the blast wave?

>>51264671
>even if my GM is unshakeable in his belive that they do

Probably believes that 'cause it's written in the book that they do

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I'm familiar with the non-matrix parts of 5e, and I want to make a decker. What is some good advice? Common pitfalls? Must-have gear? Is the Sony CIY-720 a newb trap?

>>51257623
That tie offends me. Why does no one post the "watch your back" part of the motto?

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>>51264685
exactly, but my GM is the sort of person that make a lack of knowledge up by sheer confidence and bullshitting.

Highlights include

:When people throw themselfe on the floor while they are under supressiv fire, the fire doesnt hit them (thats RAW) and also while they lie down, the s.f. doesn't affect them... because they lie flat on the ground...

Calling capsule round broken, because 1 dose fulls 5 rounds. but in the same breath building a character that can fill 1 dose of narco and 1 DMSO into a singular round.

Giving a small splinter gang their own host and aslo claiming that 12 dice to attack are perfectly normal for gangers.

>>51264726
RAW ?

i knwo that chunky salsa includes damage by shockwaves, which frag grenades aren't, which is easly proven by the fact that they don't share the AP of all other explosions.

>>51264814
chummer, I think you misunderstood
I'm agreeing with him
just because the shrapnel doesn't bounce back doesn't mean that the shock wave doesn't

Why do I keep seeing forearm guards in suggestions and builds like they can be used in soaking bullets? They're for melee damage only! Am I missing something?

>>51264899
All the fluff bits say don't use them for bullets, but in terms of crunch they're just a flat +1 armour.

>>51264597

Up front, organized crime is less powerful than the megacorps. However, from the Shadowrunners' point of view, that's counterbalanced by the fact that nearly all of organized crime's power is concentrated in the shadows themselves. Nearly all the places Shadowrunners hide from the megacorps are where you find organized crime at its strongest.

>If running fast and loose and shooting for a more pink mohawk style of game, which group would be the most 'fun' to be a part of, in your opinion?

Badda bing, badda boom. Always a classic.

Having said that, Yakuza or Triads turned up to eleven can have a lot of appeal too. Strong cultural themes, lots of fiction tropes to draw on.

>>51264853
So are you telling me that:

A) Someone would design a grenade for indoor use and just use the design for a HE grenade and slapping a bunch of shit around it, making it even bigger, heavier and even more expensive ?

B) That the fragments can only keep moving by the shockwave pushing them forward all the time while they are in fligh. Because chummer, at this pint i'm bot even sure you have ever heard about the conservation of energy.

>>51264899
SR5 doesn't spell everything out in the rules because they're poorly written. A lot of things just require the reader to look for how things should work instead of being a munchkin.

>>51264893
So are you telling me that:

A) Someone would design a grenade for indoor use and just use the design for a HE grenade and slapping a bunch of shit around it, making it even bigger, heavier and even more expensive ?

B) That the fragments can only keep moving by the shockwave pushing them forward all the time while they are in fligh. Because chummer, at this pint i'm bot even sure you have ever heard about the conservation of energy.

>>51265052
>>51265091
>at this pint i'm bot even sure

>>51259417
Chummer, I am sexually attracted to your character. Any more you make you go ahead and post them for us, please.

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>>51259417
http://toviorogers.deviantart.com/gallery/
If anyone was curious. Yes, yes, filename, but people are lazy.

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What does an Armor Jacket look like, exactly?

>>51265783
we talked about this last thread
and IIRC we agreed on motorcycle jacket

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>>51265783

>>51265783
Reasonably, almost anything considering fashion trends, I'd reckon.

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>>51265824
>>51265830
>>51265838
Gracias

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>>51261144
In-character reason? Because he wants to be 'alive' again, and he's slowly going insane as he feels less and less human.

Out-of-character reason? Because it would simplify the rules. AI mechanics are all kinds of backwards.

>>51257623
Well, story time.

Made a shark totem physical adept.

He recently took 300 rounds to centre mass, chased down those responsible, and crushed their skulls.

After surviving a helicopter exploding behind him.

I'm waiting for him to show up in a trid flik soon.

>>51265824
I thought it was the stereotypical trench coat so many shadowrunners seem to wear?

>>51266009
nah, the trench coat is the Lined Coat

>>51266009
>The most popular armor solution on
the streets comes in all styles imaginable
It's whatever you want it to be, as long as it's jacket-sized, and obviously armoured.

>>51265981
Explain how.

>>51263338
>Sixth worlders use all the fast growth bodies as spare parts containers (brain excepted) for people of all ages.
yeah the guy was talking about putting a normal brain into an undeveloped body for it in order to attach as it should be.
I mean how would that body go through puberty without the brain going through it again etc. That kind of stuff.

If the lore states it one way or another I'm fine with handwaveing it, but if you want to argue this with what would be logical I think you need to do a hell of a lot more research to sell that idea.

>>51265783
I always though you can put the armor in anything you have.
Like, sew it in on the inside or something.

>>51257684
In my most recent sessions, the GM has kind of flipped the situation on me in an unexpected way. For the hell of it I made a Decker with a penchant for over designing icon effects. Started as a mere excuse for distinctive style, which quickly folded into a 10 hour day job, SIN, and online / local fame.

He was an elusive net artist that used a lot of expressive color. He would paint scenes expressing despair-as-beauty, the suffering of the common people and the raw emotion connected to it. He never actually expected to inflate in popularity like he did.

The GM actually boosted my fame after my character redesigned a particularly bland-looking "Soybucks." The owner had requested a month's worth of work for the redesign of their host, and by the end I had scored an unexpectedly high roll on the extended test. Customers noticed and spread the news of a particularly intense hangout, then the media caught wind.

Soon enough, my comm was flooded by commissions at rates no regular cybertagger could dream of charging. The money offered is enough to compete with our current running profits; not quite as much, and the jobs would take longer than the runs would, but there would be next to no work costs on my part and little risk to life or limb.

It's actually kind of clever of him to try and drive a rift between me and the team though success rather than failure. I'm gonna have to figure out a real response to the situation, because I can tell he plans on increasing my day job hours if I actually start accepting more commissions.

So yeah, my decker once did what he did because he loved it. But now the money is there, and it might just be easier to sell out. It's a very strange feeling.

>>51264981
yeah ok wonder woman

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>>51265783
Any style that a jacket can come in.

So really you have quite a bit of leeway.

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>>51266041
>obviously armoured.
Doesn't have to be. Pic related is a real-world version of an armored jacket

I have a question about augmentations, cyberlimbs specifically. Can you buy upgrades for them >after< you've had them installed, like upgrading their initial strength/agillity or having more armor put in, that sort of thing?

Are drones too frail and expensive, or is our rigger exaggerating?

>>51266735
I believe customizing the strength and agility must be done when you buy the limb, as it's part of the base limb. Enhancements (including enhanced strength and agility) can be added afterward.

>>51266736
I think it's more "Too expensive for how frail it is"

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>>51259817
I wouldn't sweat it. Talk to your GM about it first though.

>>51266736
They're really, really fragile. Don't let them get shot!

Anthrodrones however can equip people-armor, which helps a lot.

>>51266286
Hey, practicing artist here. When a free Lance artist does finally make it as an actual fully fledged artist whose art becomes their living, it's a strange thing. A lot of artists begin to question why they became artists in the first place. Some even go as far as to try artists and fade back into reactive obscurity so as to reconnect with their art, since they no longer feel as if they are doing it for themselves. The work of an artist is intensely personal and emotional, a simple block or funk can throw an artist off for a few days or a few years.

>>51266922
>>51266782
Got it, don't have much experience with drones myself so I figured I'd ask the thread. Would bumping their condition monitor to 6+BOD from 6+BOD/2 be fair as a quick and dirty patch?

Similarly, it seems like the rules for armoring a drone in R5 are dumb as hell, since you pay for the full new armor not the difference between that and the old armor. Nobody has invented bolt-on armor kits?

>>51266939
Holy shit, autocorrect. Fuck typing on mobile

>>51262336
One of the reasons why CFD is being experimented with is because the nanites CREATE the necessary neural pathways. Sticking a new conciousness inside a WIMP is not possible without CFD, but it is with it. Hence mad science and nanopocalypse.

>>51267004
I thought the in-universe agreed upon solution for dealing with CFD was "lets put bullets in the brains of the headcases and then electrocute/burn the bodies." and not something they experimented with.

>>51267021
Oh puh-lease
the in universe solution for bug spirits is to destroy all hives. That doesn't mean they aren't still experimenting on them and turning them into guard critters

>>51267021
>and not something they experimented with.
ahahahahahaha
You really don't know much about Megacorps, do you?

>>51267048
They're doing WHAT now?

>>51267061
No, i really dont, my experience with shadowrun has so far been limited to these threads, the three "returns" games and the fifth ed core book, chrome flesh, street grimoire, run and gun and run faster.

>>51267107
The short story: The Megacorps are completely amoral and will do anything if it turns a profit and they think they can get away with it. They are inxredibly powerful, own the Corporate Court, and are run by sociopaths... so they think they can get away with EVERYTHING.

The Megas routinely perform outright evil research at their black sites, including vivisections of technomancer children, the rape and forced breeding of dryads, torture and execution of AI's, forcing captives to be hosts of bug spirits, etc.

Not all corp members are evil (and most don't even know this is going on), but the executives do. CFD experimentation is 100% something they do.

>>51267238
Wait a second. They OWN the thing thats supposed to police them? How does that work?

>>51267248
About as well as you'd expect, which is to say poorly.

>>51267248
The Corporate Court is chaired by representatives sent by the Big Ten.
In affect they are supposed to work together to police themselves but in practice they basically agree to compete only with each other while supporting their own political power.

>>51267248
Remember that the CC is not made to see that they are ethical
It's main use is to mediate and watch over conflicts between them

>>51267248
For the Megas it works perfectly. It gives the top 10 a way to hash out their differences without resorting to war, it gives the corporate system a veneer of legitimacy, and it crushes competition under unfair manipulations that favour AAA and AA corps.

Everyone else loses, but why should the megas care?

>>51266966
Maybe enhanced armor on drones is assumed to be concealed because it's super illegal to have it at the levels you want it?

>>51267248
>They OWN the thing thats supposed to police them? How does that work?
>LaughingUnitedNationsRepresentatives.jpg
>LaughingBankers.jpg
>LaughingLegislators.jpg
>LaughingJudges.jpg
>LaughingPoliceChiefs.jpg
It works surprisingly well. For them, at least.

>>51257623
I'm looking to play shadowrun for the first time soon and I absolutely love the concept of deckers in general. Only problem is there are so many rules regarding how the matrix and drone handling also I'm pretty sure I've missed a bunch of relevant info that aren't in the core book.

Could anybody be kind enough to give me a tl:dr on what to expect from playing a decked and point me toward the essential source material I should read?

>>51267284
>>51267375
>>51267422
>>51267429
>>51267448
No wonder shadowrunners are a thing. But how the f*ck do you do lasting damage to an entity like that?

>>51267500
You honestly don't. Welcome to cyberpunk, shit fucking sucks if you're not on top.

>>51267500
You don't, really.
Even worse, if you've been hired to run against a big corp there's a pretty solid chance you're working for another big corp trying to further their own agenda.

>>51267522
... Im gonna be charged in cash for the "complimentary" mug and t-shirt i got when i got here, arent i?

>>51267535
Well. Fuck, cant fight the status quo and all that?

>>51267500
The Megas are the Great Old Ones of this dystopian setting. In the grim darkness of the neon future, there are only Shadowruns.

In short, unless you manage to blow up the Zurich Orbital and convince every megacorp that their chief rival did it, they will combine their MASSIVE resources to maintain the status quo.

But theres always room for a smart runner to foil the worst of their plans. If they are willing to make sacrifices. Will you risk your humanity to chrome up and get an edge? Make fell bargains with unknowable spirits? Sacrifice your friends and contacts to make a dent? Or will you join with the megas and smash the ignorant masses under your bootheel.

Your choice, chummer. Welcome to the shadows.

>>51267500
>how the f*ck do you do lasting damage to an entity like that?
Look for some 'good feels' runs. Get contacts who are activists, they should be able to point you in that direction.

If you're really dead-set on it: Dedicate your life to taking them down, get a lot of help, put those elite mercenary skills to work. Good luck.

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One of my players was thinking up hobbies for their character and they asked me how anime has changed with the sixth world. Is is the same trash, but now with tsundere tomboy oni's brought to you by Renraku?

>>51267550
Runners are not there to kill the corps. 2D's story is fairly ridiculous fiction that resembles more an 80's action film rather then the actual setting of SR.
They're there for a variety of personal reasons, often which involve making money somehow because they have few others ways to do so.

But from a symbolic standpoint, Harlequin actually gives a good point in Shadowrun Returns; they have lots of reasons to be there, but the biggest one is freedom of choice, the ability to decide who they want to be and what they want to believe in and support, something that is a rarity in the Sixth World.
Maybe runners can't destroy the corps, but in some ways they beat them simply by not being what the Sixth World wants them to be and choosing for themselves.

From a more practical standpoint runners are responsible for getting shit done more then any other group in the setting because everyone else is so busy fucking each other over they really can't accomplish anything.
In fact, pretty much every time a huge number of people (which has at least twice included the entire world) are saved they are most frequently saved directly or indirectly saved by runners because nobody else is bothering to save the goddamn world when it needs saving.

I keep getting a "There is no Unicode byte mark order" error when trying to open my character sheet on the newer versions of Chummer. What's going wrong?

>>51267818
Never mind, figured it out with a bit of google. If anyone else has the issue, open the save file in notepad and remove encoding="utf-16" from the first line.

>>51267640
To be honest, blowing up the Zurich Orbital (station?) sounds like one helluva way to die, like a big flaming "fuck you" falling from the sky to the megas at large.

>>51267641
As far as i know jackpoint stuff isn't well liked around here, but arent there a lot of arguments on there about how a lot of senior runners are basically cockblocking newbies out of pettyness? Thus preventing large scale strikes due to lack of experience runners.

>>51267798
I guess by that logic the "feast and famine" life as a sinless beats being a corporate "citizen"?

>>51267818
Error crept in from somewhere, not sure when it become a problem. If you open up the file and change the byte-mark from UTF-16 to UTF-8, it'll be fixed. Also, could you tell me the createdversion and appversion numbers? Should be lines three and four.

>>51267657
With simsense, augmented reality, virtual reality, and BTLs on the market, combined with anthro-drones, personafix chips, and fucking magic? Anime has never been more real than it is in SR.

>>51267903
>As far as i know jackpoint stuff isn't well liked around here, but arent there a lot of arguments on there about how a lot of senior runners are basically cockblocking newbies out of pettyness? Thus preventing large scale strikes due to lack of experience runners.

No.
Large scale strikes don't happen because the Big Ten control the collective economies of the entire world and have entire countries and armies working for them and runners can't really do much about that.

>I guess by that logic the "feast and famine" life as a sinless beats being a corporate "citizen"?
Depends on your personal values I guess.
Also, some runners actually end up pretty good. Not a lot, but some.

>>51267904
0.5.177.0 and 5.179.739, respectively. It's now loading in 5.189.0 just fine.

>>51267903
Hey, if you want a game where exceptional people fight evil megacorps in a cyberpunk future against impossible odds and win, go play Mutants and Masterminds in a Batman Beyond-like cyberpunk setting.

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>>51254294

Best part about that one is the tactical bunny rabbit she keeps on her hip.

Tell me, /srg/, does your cyberpsychotic runner keep a childhood object that reminds them of when they used to feel?

>>51263724
>the problem with fast growth clones is that they have all the brain development of a 9 week old fetus
So don't use that brain.

>>51266198
>putting a normal brain into an undeveloped body
Fast growth bodies are not undeveloped. If they were, we wouldn't use them for replacement limbs, organs, etc.

>If the lore states it one way or another I'm fine with handwaveing it
Lorewise, fast growth brains are smooth and useless. Somewhere along the line that's become confused and now we're at the point where people think fast growth is bad all 'round.

>>51266724
That might be an armoured jacket, but the AV:12 armoured jacket is obvious enough that you only wear it places where you're likely to be shot or stabbed - like when you go outside.

>>51264899
Because a lot of ballistic armor have forearm guards on them, ergo SR5's forearm guards should work the same way, fluff be damned.

>>51268448
>Fast growth bodies are not undeveloped.
The discussion started a bit further up. The guy said if you were to connect the body to a persons brain and then grow it the neural pathwas needed to connect the brain to the body could form.
I said the body would nor develop properly if you connect an adult body to an infants body. Which is what you needed to do for the nerves to grow the way he suggested.
Then I said that would fuck up the development of the body in turn, cause growth hormones and all that jazz comes from the brain during puberty.
But a brain that already went through puberty would probably not go again through it.
I mean I'm not a neuroscientist, and I don't think is he is either, which is why I said he made it too easy for himself there.

Hope that clear it up.

>>51267248
It works about as well as the real-life United Nations is at actually policing its member states: Poorly.

>>51267640
>>51267903
>To be honest, blowing up the Zurich Orbital (station?) sounds like one helluva way to die, like a big flaming "fuck you" falling from the sky to the megas at large.
Having read the setting info on Zurich Orbital; without even updating the 3e version, it would require the setting to respond to the runners with kid gloves before they can achieve anything like taking down ZO.

>>51268599
I remember a story where the runners blew up ZO by doing a run to another station, and faking some kind of attack from ZO on various nations.
The nations, not knowing that was ZO, blew it the fuck up.

>>51268559
>I said the body would nor develop properly if you connect an adult body to an infants body. Which is what you needed to do for the nerves to grow the way he suggested.
You don't need to 'wait for the nerves to grow'. Stick the subject in a vat and actively force them to repair, or otherwise build the connections. Your insistence on infant bodies is unusual, though.

>>51268636
I read it. I doubt we'd even be having this conversation if it hadn't become /srg/ famous.

>>51267497
Don't play a Decker. Don't touch the Matrix, period. It's a mess and its honestly better off with an NPC.

>>51268661
Cause in keeping with that metaphor
>>51261985
>>51262205
>>51262336
>>51262494
this guy suggested growing the connections for the engine by attaching the body before fast growing it.

>>51262976
>Turn it around for a moment. Surgically attach a fast growth clone body to someone. Is there a problem?

That wasn't my idea. Just pointing out the flaw of the concept.

>>51267522
Not so. Plenty of cyberpunk systems, like Neuromancer itself, dealt with toppling the system. It's possible to make runners that have blazing hot neon pink mohawks and trenchcoats dark as the abyss with the gumption and ability to tear it all down, the only question is how you want it done.

>>51268811
No, he didn't. The way he suggested it was pretty clear-cut to me, which you would notice if your retarded ass tried actually looking at the ENTIRETY of the post chain. >>51261886

>>51268448
Just realize that that's your opinion on the jacket, 'cause nowhere does it say that in the book

>>51268900
> most popular armor solution on the *streets*

> good protection without catching *too much* attention

> don’t think of wearing one to a dinner party

Hmmmmmm. It's not military style full body armour, but it's not subtle.

>>51268868
I did. Replied to those posts. Which you would have noticed, if your retarded ass had read them.

Seriously.

Do what you want in your game, I'm just saying if I was DM and the setting explicitly stated that it doesn't work, the given explanation as a workaround would not be enough to convince me.

>>51268868
Thanks for the assist.

>>51268993
Shame you managed to get it ass backwards, tho.

>>51258239


150 k nuyen for a drone human looking with touch and pleasure feedback.

>>51269036
Care to explain then?

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>>51268991

Pic related is what I've always thought a typical armored jacket resembled, form-factor-wise. Obviously beefy, but subtle enough that you could see someone on the streets wearing it.

>>51268636
Yeah, and that story was retarded as hell.

>>51268335
Does their gun count?

>>51268991
It's not restricted, either, so there's that to consider. And with all the crazy stuff in the SR universe it's an understandable precaution. So I guess it should be kind of like a taser in that sense. Nobody bats an eye in the low neighborhoods, but you might get some dirty looks in places with great security, and you don't want to wave it around at your friends.

I just wish the writers were more specific on what "too much attention" means. Even a picture, or a perception threshold to notice that it's armor, or a "security might not like this" would be good enough.

Though I guess you can be pretty safe with either the armor vest (since the book says it doesn't display any extra bulk), the ares rapid transit to just look like a commuter, or one of those fancy-pants armored business suit+coat combos from run & gun.

>>51259417
Security armour like that is restrictive, which means it halves your movement. That's a pretty raw deal on a melee-focused character, but the nigh-invincibility probably makes up for it.

Yo, it's the anon whose in the doghouse with his girlfriend due to stuff that happened in the campaign. We played again tonight after I made her promise to not aim her anger at me. So, here's the update.

>Girlfriend, Bob, Elivia and Anthony Wallace go on a run from Shiawase.
>Goal is to break into some Ares owned docks and steal a weapons shipment.
>Everything goes smoothly. They're able to sneak into the docks without any problems.
>Bob gets a bit anxious and decides he's had enough of this stealth crap, it ain't the American way.
>Bob runs out of cover and begins to shot at the Ares guards, aiming to gun down as many as possible.
>Bob runs into his ex-wife, a female troll named Matilda, and her Shadowrunner team.
>Matilda's team was hired by Ares to hunt down and kill my Girlfriend's team.
>Girlfriend is shocked because this is the first time I've sent other Shadowrunners against her.
>Gunfight happens.
>Bob, Elivia, Anthony and my Girlfriend wind up winning the fight.
>Cue Knights Errant task force lead by the Elf traitor.
>Cue Girlfriend's team running and scrapping the botched mission.
>Elivia is the first to make it to the team's Ares Roadmaster.
>The moment the Roadmaster's engine starts, it explodes. This kills Elivia.
>Bob cries out in anger because he was getting close to Elivia.
>Bob goes on a rampage, charging in with his drones to serve as a distraction.
>Girlfriend and Anthony get away safely.
>Elf traitor captures Bob instead of killing him, so he can use Bob as bait later.
>Girlfriend and Anthony make it back to their Shiawase contact.
>There they meet a new team member.
>Shadow, a Nocturna whose a former Tir Tairngire Ghost. He makes it clear he is currently on Shiawase's payroll and will only aid Girlfriend's team as long as it is in Shiawase's interests.
>Girlfriend asks Shadow why he is willing to help.
>Shadow reveals he's the brother of the Elf Traitor and has personal reasons for wanting his brother dead.

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>>51268786
Ok but just out of curiosity, I was wondering how cool it would be to make a drone specialist. I had found the Otomo drone, some kind of military android that can be outfited to look like a person. I was seriously wondering how I could go at making that drone some kind of proxy a rigger could send with his party while he stays back in the escape vehicle and provides tactical support

What are some good heists players can do to supply themselves with expensive gear?
How do players avoid corporate ire for stealing explicitly expensive things?

>>51269697
>What are some good heists players can do to supply themselves with expensive gear?
Break into a Lone Star/Knight Errant precinct after after a big enough distraction elsewhere cleared the station for you and empty the armory.
>How do players avoid corporate ire for stealing explicitly expensive things?
Blame it on a rival runner.

>>51269535
>Security armour like that is restrictive, which means it halves your movement. That's a pretty raw deal on a melee-focused character, but the nigh-invincibility probably makes up for it.

Someday I want to make a satyr with skimmers who runs at 40mph in heavy security armor.

>>51269231
What do you need explained, after it's been explained for you, then summarised?

The order of operations is start with the functional brain person (slow growth takes longer to grow than fast growth), produce the fast growth clone body when needed or desired, then combine the two in such a way that it;
a) works.
b) you're not keeping the nonfunctional slow growth brain.

>>51269959
Dude.
The whole point of the discussion was that you cannot just put a normal brain into one of those bodies.

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>>51269396

It might. Is it a memento?

>>51269458
>So I guess it should be kind of like a taser in that sense. Nobody bats an eye in the low neighborhoods
I think you may have underestimated exactly how heavy things get in bad neighbourhoods.

No one bats an eye at a civilian carrying a taser in high class neighbourhoods.

Middle class, most times you won't get hassled for packing a pistol.

Between low & middle class neighbourhoods, the cops start ignoring rifles and other longarms scanned within a residence.

Actual low class neighbourhoods, cops don't care if you threaten another civilian until you actually shoot them, or whether you have automatic weapons or stockpiles of ammunition in your home.

>>51270020
Ok, lets circle back like it's 7 and a half hours ago, dude.

Fully grown clone body surgically attached to someone's head. What's the problem?

>>51270113
>Fully grown clone body surgically attached to someone's head. What's the problem?
Obviously a problem in communication.
Until you posted it nobody said anything about a head transplant.
Just brains and bodies.

Kind of a difference there.

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Anyone here fluent in Japanese or French and interested in helping translate Chummer's character sheets into those languages? We're looking for some assistance with translation. Can't provide much aside from credit.

Report to the dancefloor at https://github.com/chummer5a/chummer5a/issues/1347#issuecomment-273379140 or by contacting me on [email protected].

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>>51270140
>Until you posted it nobody said anything about a head transplant.
... I kinda did say it. Repeatedly. Are you sure you're ok, anon?

How would any of you go about setting up a drug lab or two for some extra income for your nest egg?

Assume you have the minimum capital required and the requisite space before you factor in people wanting to bust your shit for their own amusement/greed.

Okay, so a thread or a few ago, i asked if i was correct on how ranged damage is calculated, and i've got that figured out and boiled down to about 6 steps in total, including repeating and adding recoil.

Melee, however, is a bit more complicated. I think i've got the Overall concept down. but i want to verify if i'm right.

Make an attack roll, opposed by the defenders defense roll, modified by their defense action, if any was taken. If you beat the defense, its a hit, if its equal, its a grazing hit, and if its less, its a miss. Determine reach and other modifiers as necessary.

Add net hits to Damage value.

Apply armor penetration to enemies armor

If net hits go over modifed armor, its physical (if weapon does physical). Otherwise its stun.

Subtract remaining body+modified armor roll from total damage value, and that is dealt as damage.

I think thats all of it.

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>>51270611

Don't forget that if the final damage received exceeds the defender's Physical Limit, the defender is knocked prone.

This is also true for ranged combat.

>>51270611
>If net hits go over modifed armor, its physical

Make that
>if (damage value + net hits) equals or exceeds modified armor, its physical
And you're golden.

>>51270611
Also, if there's a difference in Reach from weapons, it affects defense. If the attacker has more Reach, then the difference is subtracted from the defender's pool.

If the defender has more Reach, the difference is added. This is how you (generally) make up for not being able to do burst fire.

It's also a small part of why trolls are so nasty in melee. They have natural reach 1 and it stacks with a weapon's reach.

So a troll with a pole-arm will take five dice off an enemy's defense pool if the poor sod's unarmed or has a short weapon like a knife. But if they started hassling a troll with a pole-arm, they kinda deserve the pain they are about to get.

>>51270781
I added in the reach, but thanks for reinforcing that. And yeah, attacking something in melee that you have very little chance of even remotely hurting isn't a great idea.

>>51270708
I wasn't aware of this. This is good to know.

>>51270737
I thought that ties went to defender?

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I made a thing. Feel free to grade my thing.

http://pastebin.com/DBiHtkE3

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>>51270875
>I thought that ties went to defender?
For opposed tests, generally speaking, that is the case.

A soak roll is not an opposed test. It's a simple test (modified armor+body), the result of which is subtracted from the incoming modified damage value to decide how much damage the defender takes.

>>51271127
Ah, okay. Thats good to know as well. Thank you.

>>51271117
I like the thing/10.

What skill substitutions do you guys allow? Machine pistols and pistols would work, as well as two-handed automatics and longarms, right?

>>51271117
>>51271117
Pretty neat. I like it.

Makes me wish my current character had more magic so i could get more Improved reflexes though.

>>51271242
Your character is low magic, a burnout or just spent the PP on other stuff?

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If I'm coming from D&D 5e whats the best edition to get into for Shadowrun?

>>51271507
Do you have a group that already plays? The edition that the group is playing.

Full house of newbies? Current one.

>>51271366
I have 4 PP, so i couldn't afford to spend all of it on improved reflexes. I spent it all on other things.

>>51271117
you'd probably be better off equallising your body and willpower. Also, your armour is laughably bad, so if you're caught in a straight up firefight you're going to have a bad time, but I suspect you know that. Otherwise seems like a perfectly functional assassin, though your palming pool could probably stand to be higher.

>>51271117
Seems a bit like Jane Doe from Devil's Third; big-titted geisha white ninja slut.

>>51271573
DESU, the world can never have enough big-titted ninja sluts.

Would any of you be upset if seattle had an overcity above it that blocked all daylight?
I figure shadowrun needs more shadows.

>>51271670
Agreed.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=9H9KjgZflFg
This game was pretty goddamn bad honestly and had all kinds of control and camera difficulty problems, but it's about a Russian guy who uses assault rifles and katanas and melee weapons to wasting cyborgs and ninjas and shit, which is pretty Shadowrun.

>>51271829
If you are going for some sort of "High class upper city/Slum lower city" thing, that sounds like it'd be fun.

So like, is there any sense to taking skimmers on the cyberlegs of a predominantly ranged combat focused character? Already got full arms and legs and a wired reflex system + cash to spare so... I feel like instead of investing in a transport vehicle i'd splurge on some cool shit for the legs.

If the concept matters to anyone im trying to build a thrillseeking gunman rocking both REDLINER and revels in murder, because... i dont know it seems fun.

>>51271878
yes. Yes I am.

>>51271829
Alright, I'm gonna say it - you mean like that FF7 Midgard pizza?

>>51271922
Sorta. Also like the one from knights of the old republic.
More like the ff7 one though, since that one was much more cyberpunk.
Though, it's basically going to be a shitted up version of normal seattle down there. Same landmarks.

>>51271937

You might want some art from Deus Ex 2.

Nothing else, just the art. Trust me.

>>51272155
I actually played that game but forgot everything but the black merchant dealers because they were great.

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>>51269560

I continually enjoy the exploits of your game, anon. Please let us know when your relationship goes tits-up after the Elf Traitor kills your gf

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What hackjobs have my fellow deckers done in Chummer?

I added contacts and knowledge points for life modules because the house rules only apply to karma gen.

>>51257684
My cyber monster needs money to 'complete' himself with more and more and higher end augs.

Also he's kind of a legit psycho and needs blood for the blood god.

>>51259417
Underoptimised

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I am legitimately mad about how much nicer the German core book looks.

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>>51273041
Dang

>>51273041

I always thought the dragon totem icon in the style of pacific northwest natives, was a nice touch

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Man where do I start upgrading my sammy from?
Spend some karma for language, point in a new skill and upgraded another to 2 and got myself agile defender.
Will probably get solid bump in karma after the next session and not sure where to spend it. 11 karma currently.
Option 1 is to get my automatics from 5 to 6 and thus having 15 dices without smartlink.
Option 2 is to start filling the holes in my priority D skills.
Option 3 is to save up for boosting my Intuition from 5 to 6.

>>51257623
So... when I get a SIN, do I also get a plastic card, like the drivers licence or an ID or what?

>>51273147
A SIN is stored on your comlink. It is basically a hashtag that is attached to everything you do.

Shitty scanners only check whether you are broadcasting one or not, and whether it is registered in the local databases. More advanced scanners cross-check the information to which the tag is attached and see if there are no discrepancies.

>>51273147

No its just logged in your digital ID, as part of your Commlink Access Personna. This is why its illegal to walk around with a Commlink in hidden mode.

>>51270113
>Fully grown clone body surgically attached to someone's head. What's the problem?
Same problem with putting a V8 in a donkey cart: everything you need to actually use it isn't fucking there. Jesus fucking christ, why is this so hard for you to understand?

>>51273191
>>51273196
Oh, I see: now I understand. Thanks guys

If all your SINS get burnt, do you just lose all of your money stored in bank accounts, or can you have an account not tied to any particular SIN.

>>51273277
>can you have an account not tied to any particular SIN.

That's what credsticks are for. "Regular" old-fashioned accounts are tied to a SIN (or company).

>>51265783
The only constraints on the armored jacket is that whatever it is it's inappropriate to wear to anything involving high fashion or high society. For that, you need to get some of the high-fashion armored clothing, or at least an Actioneer business suit. Aside from that, I'd say that it's probably fairly obviously some kind of armored - or at least reinforced - clothing. Different types of armored jackets my various characters have worn include:

>a motorcycle jacket with a Kevlar lining and ballistic-grade plastic inserts along the chest, back, shoulders, and elbows
>an old-timey brigandine made using ballistic fabrics instead of canvas or wool and steel-laminated ceramic as its plates
>a super-puffy zip jacket made using dozens of layers of Kevlar and other bullet-resistant materials, with similarly bullet-resistant foam/gel between each layer keeping it puffed
>a shiny, PVC-looking poncho that almost looks like someone's wearing a black trash bag, completely covered in condiment-sized packets of highlighter-neon ballistic gel, in random colors

As long as a ganger could tell with a basic perception test that what you're wearing is armored, and the doorman at a classy establishment could tell even without a perception test that yog don't belong there, you should be good.

>>51273244
See >>51273052 then >>51270216.

Damn, mang. You got some heavy head canon going on, if you think clone *bodies* are deficient in any way.

>>51273484
>head canon
Oh that's rich coming from the guy who's refuting what it says in the sourcebook.

>>51273484
It's not just the brain of a wimp that's underdeveloped, it's the spine too, else you'd be able to make biodrones out of them. Maybe you could transplant your brain AND spine into a wimp, but then you're starting to get into a Ship of Theseus problem.

>>51273517
Mate, you've repeatedly misinterpreted everything said to you, and the source material on top of that.

>>51273673
The source material makes it pretty damn clear you can't put yourself in a wimp.

>>51273665
>then you're starting to get into a Ship of Theseus problem
Sorta, depending on the costs and how important it is to keep that specific spinal cord when you have two available.

>>51273678
The problem with the negative side of this discussion is that there's no leeway in the writing - it's all denial, all the way down. What happens if you fast growth a prototype transhuman body with synaptic boosters, or otherwise hijack the formation of neural pathways? All we have from the official material is 'nuh uh nuh uh, I can't hear you, never works' ... presumably because someone got the chance to cut the legs out from under their pet peeve - humanoid biodrones of 4e.

>>51273756
>What happens if you fast growth a prototype transhuman body with synaptic boosters, or otherwise hijack the formation of neural pathways?
My understanding is the reason fast growth is so fast is because they skip the majority of the brain and spine development, rendering the question moot.

>>51273780
Perhaps the question should have been, "How much of a fast growth clone body do you have to cut out before you can use the rest to replace someone's current parts?"

But that's with hindsight.

Looking at Chrome Flesh again, it says "neural pathways". Wiki says that means the nervous system in general, but that means whichever character is providing the setting info has to be off for that to be the case, because we do use fast growth clone parts that include nervous system tissue without issue.

>>51273196
Comms running hidden isn't illegal. Not broadcasting or presenting a SIN generally is, and most people probably use their commlink to do it.

But you could broadcast it from a datachip slotted in your underclothes and have your comm running silent for all legality cares about.

It's just most people don't because the commlink is more convenient.

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>>51273041
Thats the limited edition, the normal one looks like the CGL version.

At least we get hardcopies of the PDF-only shit like Bullets&Bandages

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>>51258775
>the character IS an AI girlfriend

>>51273877
>Not broadcasting or presenting a SIN generally is [illegal]
Outside, in public. Just sayin'. 4e introduced the concept of running silent once you got inside, to avoid your creepy estalker.

>>51273856
Not quite. Yeah, you'll still find motor control nerves in muscles and whatnot, but the wimps don't have the brain and spine equipment necessary to actually use them. To go back to the donkey cart metaphor, you might be able to take the wheels and axle off a donkey cart and install them on a vehicle with a proper powertrain, but that doesn't mean a donkey cart is capable of moving under it's own power.

>>51273906
>that doesn't mean a donkey cart is capable of moving under it's own power
I just want to check that you realise this was never under question. Right?