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Fortification Fornication edition

>Previously, on 40kg >>51203471
>And now, 40kg continues...

>BOB THE LIST BUILDER
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>Freshest Rules in Epub (Use Readium for PC or Kobo on Android)
https://mega.nz/#F!Wl5DAbCb!TYxZG4CgX_x-NJu7JBwbZQ!2tgBUTYI

>Not always current PDFs:
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>Up to date FAQs
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>40K 7th Edition Quick Reference Sheets:
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>Forge World Book Index:
http://www.dakkadakka.com/wiki/en/Forge_World_and_Apocalypse_Rules_Index

> The Black Library(A fuck away from the clowns)
https://mega.nz/#F!wx4BiKhD!YhnAf1BqSmAB8dO6xDM56Q!c4pGAJDb
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Age of emperor when ?
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Fall of Cadia scan when?
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stop me from buying cheap skitarii on ebay
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>>51206587
>‘Cadia is the end and the beginning.’

-Veilwalker

What does she mean by this?
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>>51206613
Support GW or your FLGS?
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>Orks are a melee race!
>I2
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what would happen if the emperor actually woke up
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>>51206613
Post link.
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>>51206624
they are going for way cheaper on ebay tho, and i feel better supporting my fellow players anon, not some company that reported record profits
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>>51206632
He is "awake", just not powerful enough to leave the Golden Throne.
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>>51206619
webway orgy with Cawl's mechadendrite hive

Cawl is not invited
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>>51206633
if i post a link anon, it wont be cheap anymore, if you want some almost half price rangers still on the sprue, go have a look
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>>51206630
>A meme trapped in such an eternal purgatory that the realization of its own hell begins to show in the accompanying memeface
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>>51206608
Or Epub.
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>>51206671
no but really, scan pls, the recent GW epubs are all fucked up
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>>51206630
I'm buying the codex on monday.
Help me senpai.
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>>51206678
only as fuckedup as the program you use to read them
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How do we fix Tau codex?
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>>51206649
you know what I mean. I'm talking, he can actually do something other than sit on his arse
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>>51206689
nice deflect - but seriously the old epubs work fine, the new ones are all fucked because of drm
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>>51206690
Make every mech bigger than a Crisis and maybe Broadside into a walker.
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>>51206690
fluff them as imperials
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>>51206689
Delete it
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>>51206690
Remove Stormsurge. Remove MC Squadrons and Formations. Riptides are 250 points. Vespid are Troops. Markerlights cost 1 to reduce cover by 1 instead of 2 to ignore.

Easy.
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>>51206717
in my FLGS haywire effects tau gundam and poison doesnt
Discuss.
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>>51206641
Fair enough. Your money, your decision. The Omnissiah supports your faith
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>>51206748
im not buying em tho, because even at half price i cant afford to spend any more on models this week :p I cancelled my bid
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How do you use the kobo app? It says I have nothing in my library or on my memory card.
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Is Darksphere any good? they seem cheaper than GW but I've never used them.
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>Start and army
>It's tyranids
I'm painting them in early 90s hive fleet behemoth colors and there's nothing you can do to stop me.
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>>51206762
And here we are. Being poor isn't fun. I sympathize anon
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>>51206729
Apart from the Stormsurge (which needs a small increase in points), sounds about right desu.
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A plaguebearer grabs your face. Wat do

>That plaguebearer strangling that poor guardsman
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>>51206743
So like, hat write functions as a poison 2+ AP 2 against them, in exchange for Poison immunity?

I can get behind that. Can we also add that a Melta weapon that rolls a 6 to wound on them deals d3 wounds instead of 1? And that Melta or Haywire weapons get strikedown on them?
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>>51206767
They good.
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>>51206785
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>>51206770
You're going to lose almost every game you play, so I don't see why we'd want to deprive you of what little pleasure the army will bring.
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>>51206785
grenade myself if I have any left at that point

failing that pack dump into the thing while saving the last few shots for myself
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>>51206785
mfw
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So if saints are essentially the Emperors version of demons, what other warp creatures does he have?
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>>51206814
see this is why you dont recruit from the underhives
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>>51206787
>Can we also add that a Melta weapon that rolls a 6 to wound on them deals d3 wounds instead of 1?
nah the Tau use the sap from rose petals as a glaze on their armor and it stops melta from melta-ing

How did you not know that
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>>51206820
Legion of the Damned.
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>>51206814
>there are already meme from the new episode
I didnt even think /tg/ liked the series
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>fall of CADIA
>not a single thing for the IG
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>>51206832
Works fine on their tanks. Besides, it only affects the big suits anyway, since the small ones are IDed regardless. D3 wounds on a 6 and strikedown helps simulate the vehicle damage table fairly well.
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>>51206837

>>51205171
Theres a thread full of em.
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Can I ever win a game if the dice are always against me?
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sitting in my FLGS - painting in tranquility, staying a bit late today, and somewhere between 4pm and 5pm a load of teenagers come in, and browse, its fine they are friendly

an hour later of listening to how good that one bit of the emperors text to speech is and I was just so fucking done

fucking i want to play a game that kids arent interested in
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>>51206765
Top right
Import
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>>51206861
ya no, its uh the caste system, you gotta be a gundam samurai to quality for rose petal sap
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So we got Triumvirate of the Imperium. What you expecting for Triumvirate ofChaos?
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>>51206856
that is the most annoying thing about this honestly
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>>51206868
>never any guard ones
I guess I`ll go rant there
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>>51206905
some random bullshit daemon models and a random 2 edgy for u chaos space marine termie
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>>51206880
Play napoleonic or civil war historicals then.
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>>51206905

Abaddon, Typhus and some manner of daemon prince.
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>>51206905
They've the Tetrarch
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So im doing some kill team with my schools boardgames club and currently have a few lists, this is my first NightLords list, decided to go with melta guns just incase they bring vehicles.
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>>51206856
>Fall of Cadia
>No plastic Kasrkin
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Why did they kill her off?
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>>51206918
yeah because having a literal five year old screaming for ABADDDDOOONNNNNNN MOOOOOOOOOOM to his mother while in a FLGS is fun for everyone
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>>51206940
cause the song is old?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PHhox4_SeHQ
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>>51206943
Don't play in FLGSs then.
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>>51206729

>Remove MC Squadrons

Only if you do it for Tyranids, Daemons and Dark Eldar too then to be fair.
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>>51207024

Tau players, everyone. Babies who never learned to share.

>If we get something taken away from us for balance, EVERYONE should get it taken away
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Is this a decent starting list? Also, are Forgefiends any good? I really like their models, but fielding a minimum of 3 of them, plus a Warpsmith, in that formation gets expensive real fast.
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So despite this entire story arc taking place on one of the most iconic Imperial Guard worlds, am I to understand the IG (AM) got no new models at all?
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>>51207040

Nope.

I just believe you shouldn't do something for one without doing it for all.

Besides, it's not like its a major changed across the board for the other codices to have that removed.
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>>51207018
are you aware that to post on this website you need to be over 18?
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>>51207024
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>>51207061

>I just believe you shouldn't do something for one without doing it for all.

Because if every faction gets exactly the same stuff, you're not playing 40k, you're playing chess.

It's overpowered for Tau, it's not overpowered for those other armies. This is how iterative game balance works.
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>>51206905
Abaddon typhus and kharn
Seeing as how we have angels blade - kharn
Gathering storm - abaddon
Hunt for the Fallen - typhus
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>>51207061
but those armies actually have monstrous creatures, youre making yourself look stupid
perhaps next time point out the AdMech MCs
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Has got the digital Codex of Sisters of Battle an update with the new Celestine?
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>>51207096
Hunt for the fallen?
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please send help, give me a guard list thats not complete shit, im tired of being tabled every time without even doing any damage.
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>>51207093

Then you should work on fixing the unit, not the ability to group it together.
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Is this a decent 750 point list? Starting a Chaos NightLords war band and currently just finishing painting my first squad of space marines and raptors.

Anything im missing in this list, is it too infantry heavy? Should I add havocs instead of two squads of marines?
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>>51207072
Did you have a point or did you just get bored and feel like memeing it up?
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>>51207096
why are the chaos marine baddies all so interchangeable and forgetable?
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>>51207113
But the 40k and 30k robots don't have pilots so they can't be walkers. You cam argue that they should be something other than monstrous creatures, but that's the closest thing there is at the moment.
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>>51206905
abaddon, ygthemor, zaraphiston

probably khayon as well if the design team has a hard on for that awful character
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>>51207126
try mech guard
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>>51207147

If I had my way about it, I'd just create a new category for things like the Wraith machines, Riptides and Robots.
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>>51207131

Cool. Riptides now cost 250pts and can't group up.

Fixed.
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>>51207176
The last thing 40k needs is more rules.
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>>51207150
Khayon is on Terra. How can you not know this?
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>>51207181

I see you missed "and not the ability to group it together".
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>>51207147
isnt the fact that tau gundams have pilots the very reason they say haywire shouldnt work? Haywire not working on AdMech robots is equally if not more bs
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>>51207195
this one may actually be useful though
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>>51207132
your lord should at least have some kind of close combat weapon

the chaos marine squads would also benefit from a special weapon of their own (even just a flamer), even if you have to cut their squad size down by one

also I'd probably split the melta guns up between your two raptor squads, to give you a bit more flexibility
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>>51206905

Stuff that, waiting for Three Boss Gitz o' da Orks! Ghazghkull, Mad Dok Grotsnik and Ol' Zogwort. All with new models and kickass rules.
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>>51207195
it really doesnt have a lot of rules when you look just at the basic core rules; the complexity is in the factions
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>>51207170
thats the worst kind of guard in my opinion

few overpriced squads in overpriced paper thin apc that get squashed turn one by scatterbikes.

thanks for the advice anon, but i will pass on that
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>>51207131
Which was part of the other changes, increasing the cost.

The reason to remove squadrons was less because squadrons were OP and more because if you do go full Triptide, it should at least be eating up all your elite spots to so its. That's also the reason removal of formations


Three riptide armies would still exist, but they wouldn't get + 1 BS, and they'd be half your points instead of a third.
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>>51207133
im bored and annoyed by stupid kids
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>>51207214
>no Nazdreg
would not waagh/10
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>>51207195
What 40k needs is smoother, neater more modular rules.
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>>51207118
Rumoured 3rd campaign which will involve astelan maybe Luther maybe cypher doublecross- and Lion waking up
Of course we also have guilliman which may involve a war in ultramar - possibly against perturabo as a new daemon prince or fulgrim
That way we have 4 campaigns of 2 books each and 4 daemon Primarchs
Of course that is let down by not having actual russ in the fenris one - unless they have a 3rd book which doesn't seem to be the pattern
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>>51207205

I saw it, it's just dumb as fuck and I ignored it.
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>>51207195

True.

However, in some ways I feel it does not have enough rules to accurately cover the wide variety of different units to be found in the game.

Taking it a step further than >>51207093, it seems like too many factions have too much of the same thing rules wise.

Walkers and Monstrous Creatures should not be the only two categories available to things like the larger battlesuits, wraith units and ad mech robots.
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>>51207233
well aside from mech guard i really dont know? are you playing against cheese lists constantly or something?
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>>51207214
Council of waagh?
Or those Red waagh bossed.
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>>51207205
Why? It's part of their profile. Why can't we revert it back to how it was in 6e where it was more limted, along with a point increase?

The challenge was to fix the Tau codex, not just Riptides specifically.
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How will this piece of shit come back.
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>>51207145
Mirror their fanboys - all dad issue metalhead autist edgelords
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do you need the other admech books with the skitarii codex?
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>>51207211

Would a plasma gun be worth it? to take on the chaos space marine squads?
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>>51206608
Scanned over it with my eyes after picking it up at GW today. Worth the buy.
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>>51207279

I see.
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>>51207284
Was getting himself caught part of his plan?
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>>51207248
Form a club, find another shop.

I'm annoyed by people moaning on the internet instead of doing shit.
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>>51206905
Three actual men. Reading about triumVIRates containing women triggers me
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>>51207290
Depends. Personally I find plasma guns always helpful in some way, but some people can't deal with the higher cost and potential for gets hot.

Any special weapon is better than no special weapon, though.
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>>51207288
nope
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>>51207207
Anon, Haywire does work more on every Admech robot that isn't the 40k Kastelans, because they don't have the same rules. In 30k, robots take two wounds from Haywire weapons on a 6 but Poison and Fleshbane reroll sucessful wounds, at the cost of having to stay in something similar to Synapse, where otherwise they have to shoot and charge the nearest enemy. It's just the 40k ones that are way less normal, and hopefully they'll be phased out with IA14 (expensive though).

>>51207265

I like what they've done with the 30k stuff, but Haywire could do with being a little more potent against my Cybernetica. 3+ wounding Rending would be better than an extra one on a 6.
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>>51207319
is VIR meant to stand for something
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>>51207276
these days everything is cheese
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>>51207346
neat, i only know about 40k
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What's a playable CSM list that I can build from both HH boxes? Obviously, I'll need to add rhinos, but that's later. I'm shooting for around 1000 points.
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So how's this look for an all comers 1000 point list? Should I try and give the Alphas an Arc Maul or something, or put some Arc Rifles in the bare Vanguard squad? Am I better off slapping the Dragoons in a squadron of 2?
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>>51207382

If you use Death Guard, you don't even need Rhinos.
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>>51207382
>playable CSM list
lol
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>>51207319
the next one will be a triumxirate, don't worry

>being bothered by the women
>not being bothered by a triumvirate with five people in it
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>>51207413

Except I'm not using death guard.

I'm using Night Lords.
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>>51207045
>Forgefiends

In a Death Guard list, Autohavocs are a better, cheaper choice.
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>>51207396
both dragoons in a single unit gives it more punch and survival.
You have a lot of well superflous upgrades, like two heavy stubbers on your crawlers and the phospor serpenta on the dragoons isnt as useful as you might think necause it need a wound to proc the luminescence which isn't going to happen for a lemon russ or dread, which is what you want to slam into, not sure at a glance what you might do with that (20?) points
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>>51207415
How's life in 2015?
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>>51207481
still better than 2017
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>>51207425
3 people and 2 familiars.
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>>51207475
That's exactly why those upgrades are on there. 20 points just for shits and giggles. I could give the Vanguard Alphas Taser Goads, perhaps, but I kinda don't want them charging into combat anyway.

And I mean, yeah, that's the point of the Phosphor. If I get it, that's a near guaranteed charge, if not, no skin off my teeth.

Should my Dominus ride with the Plasma Vanguard or stick by the Onagers?
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Anyone got Tyrant Of The Hollow Worlds in epub?
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>>51207261
>Lion waking up
Why the fuck is everyone wearing green?
And why are these guys white?
This is not the fab-u-louuuuuus color scheme I chose at all!
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>>51207518
Well you're going to want him with the Vanguard so he can give them the re-rolls to hit against enemies within 18", coincidentally the range of the plasma calivers.
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>In a council of war held within the remains of Kasr Kraf’s command bastion, Cawl laid out the scope of his discoveries on Eriad. Few understood the detail of his theories. The Archmagos constantly slipped into and out of the buzzing binharic cant of the Omnissiah, and even those parts of the explanation rendered in High Gothic dealt in subjects so arcane that Cawl might as well not have shared them at all. Yet the singular, awful truth was plain enough. For long aeons, the Cadian pylons, and others like them, had held the galaxy together. Without them, the tides of the Immaterium would consume all. Abaddon had spent ten thousand years obliterating the pylon fields, weakening the stitches holding reality together.

>None present wanted to believe Cawl’s words, but the clarion of truth has a sound peculiar to itself. Moreover, the theory made new sense of so much. The rising darkness of the passing millennia. The ever-increasing prevalence of Warp storms. The Despoiler’s obsession with Cadia. Abaddon’s Black Crusades, so long dismissed as failures – if ones greatly to the Imperium’s cost – had been the product of strategy more layered than any had believed. Cancephalus. Arkreath. Kromarch. The Gothic War. For millennia, they had been viewed as causes in and of themselves. Now they were revealed as camouflage for Abaddon’s true agenda, one envisioned by an immortal’s eye in the prosecution of a war without end.

-Fall of Cadia

Oh shit. The Pylons are what separating the Warp and reality from each other. Abaddon's past Black Crusades were launched to target these pylons. With each set of pylons destroyed, the power of Chaos grew and the galaxy's doom came nearer.

What do you guys think of this?
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>>51207518
if you are using the dragoons for anti mech you should never be able to use the phosphor serpenta because it isnt strong enough to glance, and when youre not getting into assaults you should be running and not shooting

of course its a personal choice, and once you field test your army you will figure out what it is you want from it; no amount of armchair theory craft can substitute actual play
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>>51207589
This was leaked a few days ago on here and b&c.
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>>51207589
They tried WAY too hard to make Abaddon seem like less of a failure. It wasn't enough for him to get some new toys from his abject failures, now they have to say that every single crusade was a resounding success, that they just happened to forget to mention in all previous fluff.
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>>51206830
PLASTIC VOSTROYANS PLASTIC VALLAHALANS PLASTIC VOSTROYANS PLASTIC VALLAHALANS PLASTIC VOSTROYANS PLASTIC VALLAHALANS PLASTIC VOSTROYANS PLASTIC VALLAHALANS PLASTIC VOSTROYANS PLASTIC VALLAHALANS PLASTIC VOSTROYANS PLASTIC VALLAHALANS PLASTIC VOSTROYANS PLASTIC VALLAHALANS PLASTIC VOSTROYANS PLASTIC VALLAHALANS PLASTIC VOSTROYANS PLASTIC VALLAHALANS
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So what's stopping the Necrons from doing this :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C5e6eG6bXAQ
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>>51207475
how about this?
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>>51207465
Cool! Is the list good enough to play at 1250, and what would be good addons to bring it up to 1850?
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>>51207647
They've been said to have achieved a goal for a long time, Anon. It's not new for FoC. They just added in the pylon stuff.
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>>51207518
Tossing a Taser Goad or Arc Maul on one of them is never really a bad idea. Occasionally you'll get in a situation where some S5 tazer or AP4 could really help, like last game where both my Skitarii squads got jumped by GSC hybrids instantly.

Also, my ally (Who is a bit of a dick, as well as rich as hell, so he's rather insufferable, but it was a 2v2 Admech vs Nids/GSC) had Cawl on the field, so I got to see him do stuff. Not much of it, but he fried a Chimera and two Sentinels, and the buffs didn't have time to work since we had to call it before the end of T3.

IWND canticle is quite lackluster, as a whole since there wasn't much injured stuff that wasn't killed instantly.
4++ Invuln was good, but not gamebreaking really since we weren't in WarConvos, so the Skitarii didn't get it.

BS canticle is the real money. Tore through pretty much everything with the Kastelans and Breachers that turn, and my Destroyers put down the Swarmlord easily. I need to get that guy.
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>>51207695
Something something lost knowledge something something grand Necron plan.
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>>51207636
Nah that makes sense. It's a mostly Anti-Mech unit anyway, what with relying on the first charge for all the damage and whatnot. Suppose I could charge stuff like Devastators and wipe them too, but seems more of a waste like that.

For the extra 20 points (or 30, if I take off the extra Heavy Stubbers on the Dunecrawlers) what do you think I should take? Melee weapons for the Vanguard? Extra stuff for my Dominus? The Eradication Ray looks pretty neat.

>>51207707
I'm only using what I have, and I feel sorta wrong using Cawl unless I'm in a higher point game. He's too good.

Also, Peltasts seem a bit OP too. They're like Super Rangers, aren't they? With their crazy weapons. Not sure my opponents would really consent to that, would they?
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>>51207284

When it suits me
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>>51207647

>Abaddons Crusades failed
>Actually they succeeded in doing x y and z
>AKCHSUALLY they were destroying Pylons all over the galaxy

give me a fucking break
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>>51207752
give me that mug vile xenos
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>>51207740
Well super rangers with 1 wound sergeants that cost more.

Sure they are better than Rangers, but that can be said about a lot of things.
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>>51207752
Please do it soon
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>>51207799

Sure thing, I've placed it next to this non descript and benign device, pay no heed to it, collect your mug and embrace etern... I mean just collect your mug.
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>>51207785
The doing of x, y, and z was cover for pylon removal operation.

The reason why Chaos frew strong and became such a great threat since the HH was because Abaddon destroyed the only things holding them back. Suck it Emperor.
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Playing DEldar is actually nice from a fluff POV.

We don't do dumb shit like Abaddon etc. We just show up and kill a bunch of people then disappear.

Bring Back Vect.
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>>51207589

So if the pylons were destroyed, the Immaterium would expand unchecked, consuming the galaxy.

So why did Abba-dabba-do bother invading Cadia in the 13th Black Crusade? He had the Planet Killer; he could have just blown the place apart. Nothing in his strategy indicated that he wanted to destroy the planet; it only blew up because of an accident on the Imperium's part.
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>>51206785
Buy a season ticket.
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>>51207742
Very cute!

Something about it makes me think of pets.
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>>51207835

Nah, it was collect hand of darkness, collect Drachneyayeanayean,

and now it was, nope, LOL, Pylons only Pylons.
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>>51207349
triumvirate (Latin, triumvirātus, from trēs three + vir man)
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>>51207854
That planet has high symbolic value to chaos because thats where lorgar converted to chaos

Most mediveal Crusades wanted to retake Jerusalem, the black crusades want to retake Cadia
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>>51207116
No
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>>51207867
Nope, he did those while targeting the PYLONS.

There were primary objects, secondary, and optional objectives. Abaddon completed all the primaries with great success, did satisfactory in the secondary, the optional so and so.
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>>51207854
It wasn't the Imperiums fault really, they had started to shrink the eye when Abby pitched a hissy fit and crashed his fortress into Cadia with few survivors.

It's funny how they mention that in terms of the strength of their forces, the Imperials have Abby beat, but he has access to the power of the gods and supernatural strength, but when those are removed by the Pylons, it's the Imperials that suffer more for some contrived reason.
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>>51207589
>so long dismissed as failures
the madman actually lampshaded the fact that no one gives a fuck about abaddon
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>>51207804
Huh. Odd. I assume that'll get FAQ'd so they're just like regular Skitarii Alphas? They do seem pretty neat as mid-field harassing unit.

Actually on that note, I quite like the idea of Peltasts too, because holy shit those shields look awesome. I'd have to capitalize on 20 of them, though, for maximum effectiveness. Which makes them quite a lot of points. I think its like 250 points without upgrades. Though I don't think I'd even give them upgrades really.
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>>51207854
It was an issue of pride.

Also the writers in the WD say that it would be boring if Abaddon just blew Cadia apart from orbit or just bypassed it after breaching the Gate. They wrote the story in a way that made Abaddon personally fight there for the epic finish that would please the fans.
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>>51207907
Well they fucked that up, didn't they?
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>>51207931
Looks like they'e added in extensions on the bottom to let people change up the wing position, slightly. That's kinda neat.
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>>51206785
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10 guardsmen with 3+(4+ from armored shield, stealth from canticles) cover save at all times unless the opponent is tau. I'm going to experiment with this list in my next pickup game.
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>>51207929
You're thinking of Hoplites for the shield guys, Peltasts are the ranged ones, just like their Ancient Greek army counterparts.

And don't expect a FAQ for forgeworld stuff, their team is always working on the next thing and GW are happy to just let them do their own thing without having to get involved.
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>>51207968
>for the epic finish that would please the fans.

Well if /tg/ is anything to go by they failed in that regard.
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>>51207372
You sound full of shit. You're being vague and just trying to trash Guard. There's no way you could create a list so bad that it gets rolled so fast.
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>>51207927
Actually, it was long written in the fluff that the Imperials think that the crusades were failures when actually they weren't.

>>51207919
Plenty of Cadians were fighting simply because Celestine was pumping holy courage into them.

Even without daemons, the cultists and CSM outnumbered and outgunned the defenders of the last Kasr
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>>51207986
Canticles only effects units in the enginseer congrigation detachment.
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>>51206690
We need more 40k edits of MemriTv. Here's one I did.
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>>51208045
shroudpsalm gives stealth which is a conferred USR.
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So it's confirmed that Trazyn was dragged kicking and screaming to the bioforges. He didn't want to be a robutt.
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>>51208031
Which is why when everyone else was booking it, the remaining Cadian 8th stayed behind to set up a perimeter around the evac site right?

And that they kept fighting even after the planet got cracked and as it was dragged into the warp. Right?

Basically they had written themselves into a corner and how to make up a reason why it's the Imperials that suffered more from the anti-Chaos artifact activating.
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>>51207799
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>>51207997
Right. Hoplites. Has anyone used either in game before? I can imagine people getting rather salty about the Peltasts, what with their pretty strong guns, but then again they're only a few points more than a Ranger.

How much glark do you think I'd get if I fielded them? Not like Skitarii have issues fielding Anti-Infantry anyway, but anything that's a little different from the meta is always nice. And those shields. Mmm.
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>>51208077
The 8th were noted to be veterans and all of them would die for Creed to the last man. They were like super Cadians.

The rest of the Cadians? Not so much.
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>>51208092
#NotMyAngelos

Seriously, this is the first DoW game that I want nothing to do with.
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>>51208092
Warp dust is one helluva drug
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>>51208031
>Plenty of Cadians were fighting simply because Celestine was pumping holy courage into them.

>Cadians
>Only fighting because Celestine was making them brave

Yes because it makes complete sense that the soldiers indoctrinated since childhood into a totally militaristic culture would not fight until their last breath for their home planet against the enemy they've trained to fight against for their whole life.
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>>51207931
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>>51206767
Dark sphere? Perfect every time for me.
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Is this list actually good?(no bully for casters, I like them)
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>>51208098
Hoplites make for nice short range tank rapers. There isn't a vehicle that can survive a turn of shooting from even a half squad of them. Getting them there is the problem, even with their physical and energy shields.

Peltasts ARE strong, but unless you're fighting Orks or Nids, they are about on par with the strong stuff that other armies can field.
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>>51208145
Thats a wrong list, sorry, I meant this one.
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>>51208135
The book has plenty examples of Cadians throwing their guns and running. Before Celestine came to save the day, a lot of Cadians gave up hope and were starting to break.

Most of the Cadians were fighting bravely to the end but a significant portion was at its limit.
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>>51207969
yeah, pretty much

i bet Lorgar hates Abby now
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>>51208180
>cadians throwing thier guns and legging it
ok Im done. can we just say that shit is non canon?
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>>51208180
>Cadians
>Giving up on their Home Planet.

GW writer detected.
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>tfw new player
>tfw want to play DEldar
>tfw know I'm going to get tabled over and over and over

I don't even usually like playing glass cannon armies, I just love the dark eldar models.

And yeah, I know picking for fluff and models is the utmost importance, but losing repeatedly, which is what I know will happen with Dark Eldar, will just sap my motivation.
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>>51208135
>>51208031

Also, since when did the Space Marines, or hell, the fucking ADMECH care about morale? Half of them are literally robots and they're all buffed to fuck by Cawl and the other Domini anyway, it would have made no difference that the warp was gone or that the random angel chick has lost her wings. BEEP BOOP FUCK THE WRITERS.
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>>51208180
>The book has plenty examples of Cadians throwing their guns and running.

Good to see GW shitting all over their established fluff continues to this day. Between indoctrination, training, fighting on their home world, and Commissars, Cadians breaking should have been rare as fuck. Instead the fucking Soviets were more courageous.
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>>51207024
When did Daemons get monstrous creature squadrons?
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>>51208195
>>51208199

Regardless of who they are, men can and will break.

I bet there's even circumstances where Kriegers would run. I'm not sure what they would be, though.

Even Space Marines can feel fear and run under the right circumstances.
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>>51208031
Get lost Carnac
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>>51207126
Tell us your list and what you have anon, then we can help
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>>51208246
But thing is that in a book about Cadia, IG is just shat upon, and its not even that important. IN A BOOK ABOUT FUCKING CADIA
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>>51208169
I guess I'm just worried about someone giving me the stink eye for bringing FW stuff to casual play. I can always just magnetize the arms, I guess. Think they have different helmets too though? Also it seems like about 30 bucks for an upgrade kit. That's about the price of a box of Skitarii on its own. Thanks GW. Though I think I can probably cobble Legs+torso+robe bits off eBay for cheaper.

I am heavily considering it. I've just never used non-codex stuff before.
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>>51208246
>Even Space Marines can feel fear and run under the right circumstances.

Cite literally one example.

>Regardless of who they are, men can and will break.

The Cadians have consistently been presented in the fluff as a force that would fight until their dying breath. They are trained and indoctrinated since birth to fight Chaos. They are fighting for their home world, for their wives and children, most of whom are probably on the front lines too. And if that fails, there's the iron hand of the Commissariat.

And yet here they are running en masse because GW needed a reason for Celestine being de-powered to matter.
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>>51208178
I'd go multilaser/heavy flamer on the chimeras, a snap shooting heavy bolter isn't much to sacrifice for the number of times the heavy flamer roasts some infantry. But in general it's a fairly standard 500pt list, will get stomped by someone who purposefully puts cheese into a low points game but will do well against others who have just gone for the basis of an actual army.
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>>51207126
That list >>51208178 looks solid, minus the vox casters.
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>>51208217
Most of the admech died thanks to a single daemon princes rampage. Cawl's forces were depleted fighting after fighting the Orks in far off world.

The SPESS companies on the planet were ravaged, Nothing left them but a single united multi-chapter strike force. The Space Wolves and Wulfen though didn't join up with the strike force for obvious reasons.

The Templar would be affected by Celestine depowerment since her presence stirred their hearts' fire. The Legion of the Damned were banished by the Pylons.

So you see. The guys who won't be afffected by celestine and the pylon thing are few.
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>>51207931
Which greater Daemon of Tzeentch wud u fug?

I mean, look at them, it's like they combined Ridley from Metroid with Falco from starfox.

I'd a Lord of Change, they've got to have an experimental phase eventually.
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>>51208311
I plan on making it into pic related later on, I dont know what should I get first from it. A russ perhaps, or a basilisk?
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Reckon anyone would mind me using my old Celestine? I don't trust these flimsy ass ribbons, even in a case.
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>>51208303
>Cite literally one example.

I can cite fear.

Tigger vs Voidbringer.

A wounded White Scar terror of being put in a dreadnought

If the germans broke in Berlin so would the Cadians on Cadia.
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Where do you guys get your paints?
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How to fix everything:

Every ranged attack further than 24" away from a unit with stealth are Snap shots.
Every ranged attack further than 18" away from a unit with shrouded are snap shots.

Think about it.

kkthxbye
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>>51208352
>mfw
Anon, that's gay.
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Whats the black templar/SoB formation in the new book like?
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>>51208375
>Every ranged attack further than 24" is fired at -1BS. Additional -1BS for each 6". Does not count for Vehicles, weapons with Sniper, Heavy Weapons Teams etc.

Fix'd
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Question? Is there any cool fluff that has the Admech fighting as they should, with noospheric buffs and perfected targeting with all the gunlines and stuff? I read the Forge of Mars books, but that doesn't have too many pitched battles. Also, the fucking CARTOGRAPHER can melt servitors and seriously injure fleshlings and other Magi with binharic attack. In the Admech, even the mapmakers are hardcore.
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>>51208369

Does anyone else like the old one better
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>>51208352
>daemon birb cloaca

Ill just close my eyes and think of papi
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>>51208374
Shoplift from GW
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>>51208435
Scum
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>>51208372
>If the germans broke in Berlin so would the Cadians on Cadia.

The Germans didn't break in Berlin. Oh some tried to head West to surrender to the Allies because they knew what the Soviets would do to them. But the ones facing the Soviets fought as hard as they could because they knew what the Soviets would do to them, and the regime was executing anyone who ran away anyway.

But if we wanted an actual analogy, it would be the foreign SS units in Berlin. They fought to the last man because they knew they were damned. Their home countries would never accept them fighting for the enemy, and the Soviets hated the SS above all else, so they had no-where to go. Their one hope of salvation was victory, so they fought. That's exactly the situation for the Cadians; no-where to run to, indoctrinated as fuck, and fighting against a foe who if they are very, very lucky, will simply kill them if they're captured.
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>>51208374
Just ordered my Reaper paints from HobbyTitan. About the only place without ridiculous shipping charges.
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>>51208407
Na, there is a reason why they remodeled night fighting. It hast toll be easy without calculating stuff.
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>>51208454
>That's exactly the situation for the Cadians; no-where to run to, indoctrinated as fuck, and fighting against a foe who if they are very, very lucky, will simply kill them if they're captured.

Actually. plenty of cadians converted to Chaos. 2 Cadian regiments that fled one of the battles acknowledged that if they weren't lucky in where they retreated they would have ended up being on the other side of the war.
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>>51208246
Space Marines stopped being affected by Fear circa M31, as per the introduction of ATSKNF after the Horus Heresy, sir.
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>>51208425

Haha holy shit they made figures for that comic? Please tell me middle finger hands are an option.
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>>51208369

I wouldn't, and most people wouldn't either. Additionally, when it's obvious you own the new one but use the old one out of preference, that's actually street cred points right there, especially after a couple years.
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>>51208303

Space Marines register fear, it just doesn't affect their morale or discipline.
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>>51207492
>40k in 2015, confirmed downhill into shit
Or
>40k in 2017, already plastic sisters and we aren't even a month in
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>At Kasr Kraf, the Cadian 9th had fled. At the Elysion Fields, they died by the hundred without faltering, matching the madness of their foes with a coward’s zeal for redemption. Yet, ittle by little, their line of bayonets shrank inwards, overwhelmed. Seeing the danger, Creed ordered new reserves into the west, but the foe were too many. Though the banners of the 75th and the 403rd reached the western trenches before they were overrun, the 9th was beyond salvation. In death, they had earned redemption.

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>In
the south, the colonel of the 21st, driven mad by daemonic voices that had haunted him since the fall of Kasr Kraf, seized a voxcaster and ordered his soldiers to retreat. He perished before he could repeat that command, the Emperor’s Mercy delivered from Commissar Strang’s smoking bolt pistol, but the damage had been done. The 21st, their morale already upon a bayonet’s edge, wavered. Creed strove to rally them, his voice booming across the vox-grid as it had so many times before, but now the Lord Castellan himself came under assault.

>Abaddon had sworn to crush Cadia’s last resistance himself, and he now came to do so. He did not enter the maelstrom of battle alone. The Bringers of Despair, their trophy racks thick with the heads of Cadian officers, teleported into the heart of Creed’s command skyshield. Dozens perished in bloody moments, ripped apart by the fury of the Black Legion’s finest warriors. Only Creed survived, shoved aboard a Valkyrie at Kell’s hand – the colour sergeant’s last act of fealty in a lifetime of unflinching service.

KELLL NOOOOO!
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What's the best way to kit out a Librarius Conclave? Plan to use one with my Grey Knights with 2-4 Libs +Tigurius or Imp Fists Librarian with Bones of Osrek.
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>>51208374
I buy at my FLGS to help support them.
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>>51208352
Keeper of Secrets. C'mon now!
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So is it ok to mix Russes in a squad?
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>>51208687
As long as they all have a similar role.
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>>51206830
PLASTICS WHEN
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>>51208687
it is okay, but not always advised, they should have similar ranges and similar roles
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>>51208700
>>51208707
What is a good one to mix a punisher with? Or should I just take 2 punishers?
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Hey /tg/, post model pictures!

Getting my guys up to a basic three colour standard, there is a 500pt doubles thing going on and I plan to join.
Does this look acceptable for a 'new army'?
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>>51208575
No. Didn't you watch the ultramarines movie
They chant it all the time
They don't know it
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>>51208727
Looks tournament legal.
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>>51208725
I assume punisher with pask, so executioner and exterminator work well with him.
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>>51208755
And what if it has no pask? Is it not even worth taking without him?
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>>51208761
not really, no
A punisher with pask can kill every enemy, even landraiders, without pask it is kinda useless, it can only kill infantry and others do that better
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>>51208290
Bump for opinions.

Would it bother you guys if I ran Peltasts/and or Hoplites in a normal non-Titan army? Are their rules a little unfair? I mean, I could give my Dragoons Shrouding, apparently, and also melt MEQs without breaking a sweat for only about 4 points more than a Vanguard.
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>>51208761
Its range makes it really vulnerable, so you want it to do as much as it can before it gets counter attacked. The ignore cover template will generally do more work than a base punisher.
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>>51208752
It's not so much a 'legal' thing as much as I want them to look nice.

I know people will be bring unpainted and maybe not fully built models because it's a beginner thing.
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>>51208789
So what is the best all around Russ? I have like 6 lascannons in my platoon so I looking for some anti-infantry.
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>>51206550

Anyone ever mix games of 40k with any of the RPGs?

Like ever play a small 40k campaign with your RPG group as part of an RPG campaign?
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>>51208238

That's something else I'd correct.

Greater Daemon squadrons.
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>>51208815
Exterminators with Heavy Bolters.
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RGG here. After getting a smoking deal at my LGS tonight's project is OGRE. How good is Nokk Dedogg since I managed to snag 4 of them?
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>>51208813
Washes and highlights, at least dry brush. Then paint details to make it pop.
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>>51208761
>>51208789
So I want to add a couple of Russes to my Admech army because tonks.
Which are good ones and what would bea good way to do that? Bear in mind Cawl's buffs.

I heard something about an ID weapon? I fight a fuckton of Nids, Chaos and Tau, so some anti-MC could be handy.
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Nth for Abaddon's new model should be a daemon prince when it comes out.
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>>51208633
draigo stars are so last year
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>>51208815
Exterminators or Eradicators, depending on whether you want some anti-transport or more infantry killing power.

>>51208854
Vanquisher with beast hunter shells gives you the ID. You get them from a forgeworld book.
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>>51208815
>>51208854
well, either the executioner if you fight marines/termiantor equivalents a lot or a regular Leman Russ, 5" s8 ap3 is able to destroy most enemies.Spacemarines and Nekrons hate it. The Eradicator is also useful , especially if you equip him with the right sponson weapons
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>>51208632
He goes to the Emperor's side...Saint Kell!
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>Soon they faced one another: spiritual daughter of the beneficent Emperor, and heir to the greatest traitor in the history of Mankind. No words were spoken. None were needed. Soulfire roiled as the Ardent Blade struck Drach’nyen, the wail of hope and despair shivering the spirits of all who heard it. Abaddon was the mightier by far. Alone, Celestine had no hope of triumph. But she was not alone. The Geminae Superia were ever at her side, the three fighting as one against the Despoiler of legends.

So Celestine holy living saint of the Emperor has no hope of defeating Abaddon in a 1v1. This is shameful.
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>>51208352
>cloaca
>which greater demon as in, of the one choice which one would you choose.
>the same riddley faggot
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>>51208632
>command skyshield

fucking seriously GW?
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>>51208905
Well, yeah.

It's a Living Saint. He's the leader of the Chaos forces.

Celestine is not a Primarch, and they would struggle against Abby.
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I got Greyfax today.
>Power armor Corset with nippled breastplate
>Armored stilettos
>Crossbow bolter
>Hat with candle
This model is the most 40k thing I've ever seen
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>>51208352
>Transport Capacity: 1
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>>51208905
To be fair he is THE single baddest motherfucker in TT not counting cheese like Smashfucker
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>>51208905
She is only ap3 ofc she can't take on someone with a 2+
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>>51208905
Not really, fluff-wise it makes sense. The only problem is that the writers keep giving every new character bigger and badder statlines. If Abbaddon gets a new model and statline, he hopefully should be an even huger threat.
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>>51208374
vallejo and army painter.
vallejo for a most of the stuff.
army builder because some of these paints are water.
>>51208376
Pence-Putin anti-gay tesla troopers when
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>>51208938

God I miss Vect. He was the only character who had a decent chance of slapping Abby around like he was owed money.
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>>51208938
>>51208969

'Kay
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>>51208925
Gotta sell those kits anon. Command deep crust bunker would make far more sense and wouldn't just let Abby teleport his forces onto it but they don't sell deep crust bunker kits now do they?
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So Greyfax was the one who killed Valeria...

The bitch!
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>>51208945
Terminator armour supposed to trade flexibility and speed for protection
Somehow abaddon is faster than a normal power armour marine anyway - even before the Heresy he wasn't written as lumbering and no mention on walkways collapsing etc
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>>51208863
>Implying I'd even use Draigo in an 1850 list
I need the Lib conclave because it alone can almost double my warp charges. I'm mostly talking about weapon/armor loadouts.
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>>51208988
really ?
hod did you find out ?
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So since we are on a topic of leman Russ, how hard is it to magnetize one for a total newb? I don't have any specialiased tools or something like that.
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>>51208981

Alright, the only one who isn't 30k shenanigans.
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>>51208938
Despite the fact that Celestine statistically beats the everloving shit out of him in all cases except where she gets terrible luck and he gets great luck, and that's discounting the more likely scenario which is that he spawns/Daemon Princes himself to death.
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>>51208934
I don't have the image with me as proof but the candle is connected to her eye to power it.

She is 40k
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>>51208869
>>51208876

So if I grab the Vanquisher I get a nice anti-tank gun and a versatile small blast at AP2 ID. After a Google I need another Russ for an Armoured Battlegroup allied detachment, so what for that?

Basic Russ doesn't really do anything quite well enough, honestly. Maybe an Eradicator/whichever one has the AP4 S6 Ignore Cover blast? Seems like it would do some decent work.

Is there any rules for Russ usage other than "Keep front towards the worst weapons, do what you can to wrap them up on a corner if there's melee or GSC around and don't aim too Danger Close."
Most of the Admech are fairly point-and-click once you finish thinking through the Doctrina and Canticle choices.
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>>51208981
Scoria is legitimately a mistake. The worst part is that he's an HQ of all things, meaning that he can be taken at sub 2k games.
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Hey I'm building some cards to print on business card stock. Can someone help me. My traitor legions has the number 13 objective broken, can someone give me the VPs and conditions?
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>>51208981

What relation did he have to Kelbor-Hal?

And on the subject of that, does Kelbor-Hal even have a model and is he even mentioned frequently?
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>>51208993
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>>51208877
Also, dubs for Saint Kell
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>>51208968
>Pence-Putin anti-gay tesla troopers when
Electro-Priests could be those.
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>>51208993
Pg 69 black box greyfax tries to shot trollzyn
He says she robbed him of opportunity to study Valeria's brain
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>>51209021
Yeah LRBT suffers heavily from ordnance no longer being as good as it used to be. The exterminator, executioner and eradicator are good general purpose tanks, the demolisher has its place in certain match ups and the punisher really needs pask to shine.
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>>51208969
>Hey guys I got a great idea, lets remove the single most important figure from our codex
>But won't they notic and complain
>Nah don't worry, we'll remove HALF THE FUCKING NAMED CHARACTERS so no-one and unite around the loss of one guy
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>>51209028
He was probably a mistake in how good in melee he is, but he's not overpowered as such. He's slow and fat and doesn't do much besides beating things up. He's a deathstar deterrent, pure and simple. And that's good with the amount of Spartan/Primarch bullshit in 30k.
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>>51209032
Besides being a founding father of the Dark Mechanicus not much.
>And on the subject of that, does Kelbor-Hal even have a model and is he even mentioned frequently?
No model.
>>51209028
Anon, Scoria isn't a problem unless he's in melee with your dudes. You shoot him.
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>>51209032
Kelbor is less of a war unit - he is more an administrator type - so no model atm
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>>51209043

>Astartes revelling in the corruption of their own mutations

The only bit I may have missed, to what is she referring to here?

It's not the Legion of the Damned as that's the next description

>Spirits wreathed in hellfrie
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>>51209120
Yiffs.
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>>51209120
Wulfen
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>>51209003
Git gud
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>>51209125

ofc, thanks.
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>>51209120
Wulfen
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>>51209031
Can you be more specific in your request please?
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>>51209120
Wulfen, did that really need to be said?
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>>51209139

I totally forgot about them for a second is all.
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>>51209085

I miss BARON DYNAMIC ENTRY and The God-Damn Duke the most.
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>>51208539
Yes
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>>51209043

Oh GOD I love Trazyn so much.

He has a camp(ish) British / English accent to my mind.
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>>51209137
from traitor Legions, Emperor's Children Tactical Objective 13: Despair and Death
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>>51209082
Ok then. Might magentize the tanks just for ease of use, since I am ordering in some magnets and greenstuff for my Knight anyway and it looks like a simple barrel swap.
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>>51208934
you forgot
>knee-high boots topped with skulls
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>>51209063
I have no idea why I found this so funny, but I did.
Is Mike a space marine?
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>>51209180
thats not greyfax
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I fucking HATE how the Lord of Change is a bird. Screamers are rays. Horrors have tentacles. Sometimes lamprey mouths. They also sometimes have beaks but so do squids and octopi. Flamers also have lamprey mouths and beaks. The point is that everything Tzeentch looks like it could be from underwater if you replaced the water with fire. Then here comes the Lord of Change!

How difficult do you think it would be to convert that big feathery fuck into something that looks like a Moray Eel instead of a Skeksis? Should I use the old model or wait for the new one you think?
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>>51209151

>you will never be a Hellion bro-ing it across the webway at mach speeds with The Baron
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>>51209170
Oh fuck you, now I can't get Kenneth Williams voice out of my head when I read his lines.
>>
So, I'm thinking about getting back into 40k after a long (Start of 6th) absence.

How long till 8ed is out and whats the game currently look like?
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>>51209186
I saw a pic of him looking a lot like Cesar from New Vegas, and now that you mention it that Bangle does look like Pence.
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>>51209238
Well Magnus wrecked the wolves and Cadia just blew up, so maybe wait a bit to see how things go.
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>>51209193
>tfw your waifu gets killed so you condense her remains into a crystal that you can drop in a pool of blood of blood to tell the future
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Fall of Cadia epub or scans when?
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>>51209171

Here
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>>51209262
I'm behind on Deldar stuff, elaborate?
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>Even discounting Amalrich’s efforts, not all the Black Legion arrived safely at their destination. Caught in the turbulent currents of the Warp, scores were torn apart or simply scattered as monomolecular dust across Cadia’s atmosphere. But Abaddon survived, bloody and consumed with fury at his failure. From the Vengeful Spirit’sstrategium, he sounded the knell of Cadia’s doom.

>Deep within the Will of Eternity’s debris cloud, Warpsmiths heard Abaddon’s order. All across the largest fragment of debris – a mass of ancient stone the size of a small moon – banks of plasma drives roared into life. The Blackstone’s corpse shuddered as the engines fought to overcome the inertia of orbit. Then, slowly at first, but with ever-increasing velocity, the ungainly missile broke orbit, and roared planetwards.

>Across the Black Fleet, plasma drives blazed as soon as the last drop-ships were aboard, pulling away from atmosphere at whatever speed their captains could urge. As the Vengeful Spiritled the exodus, Abaddon beheld the blue-grey orb of Cadia one last time. For ten thousand years, that world had been as much his foe
as the warriors that garrisoned its fortresses. But nothing defied the will of Chaos forever. Nothing defied his will forever. Loosing a peal of dark laughter, the Despoiler decanted a draught of brulkwine into a chalice fashioned from the skull of Fabius Bile’s clone of Horus and toasted the death of one ancient foe with the remains of another.

Nothing like a sip of wine to add to the enjoyment of bitter vengeance. This reminds of me Mont'ka's ending,
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>>51209249
Ok, will do.

Honestly debating unloading a bunch of my old crap and starting fresh...

Because I'm crazy.


that and a lot of my old stuff looks like it is (Stuff that was put together by a kid) and I want to get a 'crisper' look as it were.

Granted: It's a couple k (probably 5) of marines but I want something that isn't 5 layers of paint that's been removed/re-added.
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>>51209120
All Astartes are mutants. And all mutants are corrupt.

Everyone is quick to point to the wulfen, but it refers to them all.
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>>51209304

The reason Baron Sathonyx was demoted to Hellion was because he porked a Farseer.

Then when that Farseer died, he took her bones and had them attached to his coat, and they can predict the future if he dips them in a pool of blood.
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>>51208454
Except, you know, they were fighting daemons, literal bits of madness that shred your sanity. We're talking the supernatural here.
Cadians are tough, but this is a black crusade. The whole idea with Astartes and the warp is that they're on a whole other level.
And they'd been under siege for some period of time, long enough to be the last Imperial bastion, so they held out a while.
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>>51209206
Oh behave!
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>>51209291
Thank you. I had the others just needed that 1, and just the lines about number of VP and how you get them.
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CREEEED NOOOOO!

What is he going to do with him?
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>>51209471
shenanigans
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>>51209471
Release him during the siege of Terra II and at the last minute capture the Emporer
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>>51209471
I bet that was actually Vulkan released by Tarzan and the metal part was a misdirection.
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>>51208425
Things I like about both, but big dislike on the ribbons so I'll stick to my old one and power sword metal seraphim. Bought the new one though, maybe eventually use it and use the old one for the marker when she dies.
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How would you guys change/improve this list?
Aside from removing Grey Knights and adding more Space Marines.
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>>51209008
I haven't looked at the math,

But how exactly would she win on a regular basis in a 1v1 match against abby?
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>>51209471
Build up his Zoo of course he just let a good part of it go.
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is Cadia officially a Dead World now or...?
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>>51209008
lolwut?
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>>51209170
He has the voice of the televised Death from Discworld in my mind.
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>>51207045

>Two Helldrakes in a 1250p list
thats a bit questionable

you might also want to change the 2 10man squads to split up into 4 5 man squads and/or give them some protection and mobility with transports.

Also seriously, like really.
Just because you hear people say that Deathguard are strong, dont jump on the bandwagon when you have a incredibly fluffy Night-lords list there.
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>>51209593
No, it's a shattered world.
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>>51206832
How about just make meltas at close range do 2 wounds
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>>51206932
Enjoy being retconned
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>>51209539
Never noticed that termie libs can take storm shields before. or that normal libs cant outside of the relic shield.
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>>51207145
Kharn forgettable?

He's the first special character I ever found out about and I've always known he's the only dude to hack apart his buddies in game
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>>51209618
does he still have the doombot special rules?

He's probably the only necron character I actually liked.
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>>51208076
is trazyn always this enjoyable?
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>>51209008
>ap3
>better then abby.in cc
>>
How do I git gud at playing 40k?
>>
Played a pretty fun game with my 3 flavors of Eldar today - felt bad for my buddy and his GKs but its been probably a month since I played so it was fun to throw dice.

Anyone else play any fun games today?
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>>51209798
buy better units in a better army
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>>51208938
>THE single baddest motherfucker in TT
not with a daemon weapon he isn't
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Are there any easy plastic conversions for Incubi?
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>>51208246
yeah but Kriegers would run into it
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>>51209329
That's false, though. Mutants refer to those who have an unnaturality to them, such as those near the lower parts of hive worlds, like the mutant gangs in The Redeemer, or those species which are nowhere near stable enough to be considered abhumans. Mutations also appear from chaos, like growing tentacles. Wulfen are also mutants, but of a different sort, but they are still mutants. Astartes are not mutants due to their extra organs and other things being implanted rather than a random thing.
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>>51209798
spam the cheesiest units in your army.
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>>51209008
That's only assuming the Geminae are there and the player spams hit and run. In a straight fight she always nearly loses, iirc.
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>>51208092
the art direction for DoW 3 is so weird, i can't tell if this is supposed to be Terminator armour or standard armour.
>>
>>51207752

Is it confirmed that creed was taken by trazyn? I read the passage but I'm still new to the lore so I wasn't sure what they meant with iron giant.
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Which are the best Guardsmen and why is it Kriegers?

Second best are obviously Vostroyans
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>>51209920
Since abaddon is a slow, 250+ point motherfucker, spamming H&R is honestly the best way to deal with him. If he wasn't limited to waddling around after teleporting in/his transport blows up it might be more relevant to keep him stuck in combat.
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>>51210015
Necrons are bigger than Space Marines and Trazyn likes to Pokéball things he thinks are interesting.
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>>51210015
>>51209471
See

At the very least it is heavily implied to purposefully agitate the IG fanbase, until it is revealed he is being stored near death so he can be saved later at an opportune moment.
>>
>>51210015
Glowing geometric shapes is pretty Necron. Plus he spends the entire campaign looking for a new addition to his collection.
>>
>>51210041

It is obviously Elysian Drop Troops

Steel Legion are second
>>
How Cadia was destroyed?
>>
>>51210076

abaddon destroyed it
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>>51210065
>>51210041
both of you are faggots.
the only true answer is the catachan
tanith are a nice second.
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>>51210076
Cawl destroyed it
>>
man i want to buy 1000pts of skitarii, space marines ( white scars and my own chapter), SoB, tempesusts scions all at once. i wish i was rich and retarded.
>>
>>51208283

Did you even read the book? 2/3 is out of creeds perspective and he is badass as shit.
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>>51210093
But how?
He took it in his talon and break it?
>>
>>51210015
its obviously him being saved by a primarch at the last second since he talks about warp shit.
>>
>>51210124
Pylons overloaded and exploded the whole thing.
>>
>>51210124

Yes exactly.
>>
>>51209987
thats termie armour, looks like relic Tartaros from the 30k line.
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>>51210138
I heard about meteor bombardment with fragments of blascstonne fortress.
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It's not Trazyn, it's Vulkan!
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>>51210153
It looks like Cataphractii but everyone write this is Tartoros.
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>>51210159
That did damage, yeah, but it's the Pylons that blew the whole thing up.
>>
>>51210172
No, Just no.
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>>51210041
its vostroyan because they look the closest to this
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>>51209885
Muttion is often very natural, but I enjoy that you imply Space Marines to be natural.
>>
>>51210093
>>51210110
I'm not saying Abaddon is secretly Cawl but have you ever seen the two in the same room together?
>>
>>51210203
YES, JUST YES!
>>
>>51210189
the crux is a give away see link
https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-GB/Tartaros-Pattern-Terminator-Armour
>>
Okay, as someone who's just getting back into 40k after a while and decided to finally get myself the Baneblade I've wanted for forever...what the hell rules am I supposed to use? Escalation?

It's a big clusterfuck of various books and I'm not sure which set of Baneblade stats are most current.
>>
>>51210254
Warzone Damocles Mo'ntka or Cadia Supplement
>>
>>51210246
Listen here ya grot, I said no AND I MEAN NO!
That black bastard met his end at the hands of the beast and its a good end of the immortal mary sue bastard as any. Leave him this fuck out of this shit storm and let the man stay fucking dead.
>>
>>51210297
Dude, Ferrus Manus is coming back, what makes you think Vulkan won't?
>>
>>51210223
No, I mean 40k's version of mutation, where it's usually comic-book tier rather than real life style mutation.
>>
>>51210307
As a headless horseprimarch?
>>
Did they just try to make Failbaddon great again, they succeded and couple pages later they make him Armless Failure?
WoW good job GW
>>
>>51206905
Decimus - Prophet of the 8th Legion, uniter of a Legion, heir of Talos
Dar'leth - Black Legion Demon Prince (former 8th Legion, so the old ties work)
And someone else, maybe a dreadnought?
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Skitarii Anon from earlier. So I planned on running small squads of Rangers with Arc Rifles, but now that I've found out Hoplites, I'm very convinced to add those, probably in an 'as well' sort of fashion. But maybe that's too much Haywire. I'd be shit against a horde army.

Peltasts seem REALLY good, like stupidly good. Wipe out a unit or two before they get annihilated because the other player focuses fire on them, good.

In that vein, are they broken? Obviously Hoplites aren't too shabby defensively, but otherwise they're kinda in the same place as Vanguard. Peltasts seem just...better than every other Skitarii.

Will I end up being 'That Guy' if I use them at all? What about Hoplites, would the consensus be 'they're okay to use'? The Spear/Shields look so damn cool and honestly should have been in the codex from the start.
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>>51210192

I just read the book and the thing destroying cadia was abbadon crashing his planet killer into cadia.
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>>51210322
Yes indeed. Part of the Legion of the Damned.
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>>51210153
the only concievable way a non-first founding chapter could get hold of one of thoe is that the Bloody Magpies fucking struck again.
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>>51210307
That he says to the imperium in the beast series about how hes had enough and after he unfucks up the situation to leave him the hell alone. Dudes like the hulk, if he says he wants to be left alone hell make damn sure hell be left alone.
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>>51210339
Wasn't that blackstone fortress?
Why the hell he crash PK in to Cadia?
>>
>>51210348
I giggled
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>>51210109
>Catachan
Turbo-faggot confirmed.

Tanith is alright though. A good number three.

>>51210215
Eh, not good enough to be number one. But snazzy.
>>
>>51210339
Why didn't he just kill the planet Cadia with its giant, planet-killing gun?
>>
Fall of Cadia epub when? This waiting is killing me.
>>
>>51210358

Because it was heavely damaged by the phalanx.
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>>51210380
Shield
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>>51210337
get a single squad of peltasts and bring them to the table to get the feel for if your meta can handle more than that.

Go nuts with hoplites.
>>
>>51210384
He lost this ship second time?
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>>51210383
good, one less shit poster on this site
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>>51210346
No way.
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>>51210348
>That image
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>>51210215
Here original of this image
necrons #1 guardians?
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>>51210414
Nope I have 2++ rerollable EW, 6W and D3 regen per turn.
>>
>>51210449
Aren't you cute?
https://1d4chan.org/wiki/Fur_Heresy
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>>51210297
>immortal mary sue
>dying to the biggest jobber of the codified NPC race ever
>seriously implying he won't just come back
>>
>It's cheaper to buy second edition hive tyrants via ebay than actual modern hive tyrants
we behemoth now
>>
>>51210572
see
>>51210351
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>>51210605
>second hand old shit cheaper than new shit
News at 11.
>>
>>51210115
I think he means that they don't get any shiny formations or kits and stuff.
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>>51206550
We have lost the pylons
>>51210614
You lost an arm
>>51210614
All your men are dead
>>51210614
And we are wearing sunglasses
>>51210614
Hit it!
>>51210614
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>>51210329
>expecting night Lords shit
It's more provable to receive some felinid units release than NL characters.
>>
>>51210689
Can OPs be gifs?
>>
>>51210642
OOP is rarely cheaper
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>>51210605
>running a non flyrant

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