Age of Sigmar General ! /aosg/

first for slaanesh

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ITT : we post our 2k List so people that make lists can see what they will face and how they can make their list to counter us.

>>51144318
Is this an attempt to limit the 10s of Wet Noodle list we have in each thread ?

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>>51144323
exactly

>>51144313
Mah nigga

>>51144318
Sylvaneth 1980/2000

Gnarlroot Wargrove Battalion 80
Household Battalion 20
Treelord Ancient 300 ( General, Gnarled Warrior, Regrowth, Oaken Armor)
Spirit of Durthu 400 (Oaken Armor)
Branchwych 100 (Verdant Blessing, Acorn of Ages)
Tree-Revenant (5) 100
Tree-Revenant (5) 100
Dryads (20) 240
Kurnoth Hunters with Bows (3) 180
Kurnoth Hunters with Bows (3) 180
Kurnoth Hunters with Scythes (3)180
Loremaster 100

Do you guys have any home brew/house rules when you play AoS with your friends.

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>>51144318
This is my list.

>>51144318
>>51144393

we already have high level of scumbagry, I wonder what I will see before the end of this thread.

>>51144407
we sometimes houserule no random turn and no minimal battleline in our FLGS,. Reason is for some its really just a tax and it didnt impact the meta much as in some scenario battleline spawn closer to points so people bring battlelines anyway.

>>51144407
We're really chill, we dont have any strict houserules but we play our own way, pretty much ignoring anything we this is dumb.

>>51144331
>>51144302
how many memes did you make drawfags craft?

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>>51144407
There are some older minis that have no rules.
We make those.
Usually it's just the template hero with different weapon and/or the lack or presence of a shield.

Pic related.

Nurgle player doesn't have that badass Lord of Plagues with an Handgun.
A... freaking... Lord of Plagues... with an Handgun. I can't even. So awesome.

>>51144434

Running a similrar list to this. I feel likeYoud really want the exalted seekerchariot instead of the normal one for the Herald you pretty mich double its attacks for 40points iirc, unless you really want the always run6" of the normal chariot. Also consider a soulgrinder for some Ranges attacks depending on your opponent s

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>>51144479
posting over 9000 hours of personal memecrafting

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>>51144555

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>>51144579

>>51144579
>>51144568
>>51144562
>>51144555
>>51144545

stop..

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>>51144587

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>>51144595

>>51144593
o-ok

>>51144544
I'm aware of that, but I suffered enough to build and paint the smaller chariot.

I have no intention to do it again with the nightmarish version of that.
Not any time soon at least.

>soulgrinder
It's ugly.
I only play models I like.

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>>51144621
>soulgrinder
>It's ugly.

not so much when youre taking the crablegs and replace upper body with something similar to pic related

So I've a quick question for any bonesplitterz players. How well does the army do and what do you usually take?

>>51144458
It's a tournament list. You are only a scumbag if you play it in a casual game.

Post your dudes!

>>51144741
its nice for games of 500 to 1000 points but then you need help from other destructions forces

>>51144790
Do you feel the regular savage orruks can tarpit well enough or is that what you'd need ironjawz for?

>>51144741
take tons of orc bowmen and become WAAC

>>51144879
they are very good for tarpitting, you just meed to find some hammers to go with them

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>>51144593
Different anon. I found one posted in a previous thread.

>>51144952
So you'd say they have a tough time killing then?

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>>51144318
Here is mine

>>51144994
well they dont have things that go through armored troops or thinds thay deal mortal wounds, so you have to fill this gap.

>>51145031
Fair enough thank you

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Rumour Engine

>>51144621
may I ask what was so bad about the Chariot?

y-you didnt actually paint every tiny wheel separately right, anon?

y-you sure mustve pinned them on some wire and spraypainted most of them like a sane person r-right?

>>51145192
Stormcast riding a demigryph?

>>51145192 looks like empire sutff

>>51145192
Pistoliers?

>>51145263
I painted it in different blocks, of course.

It wasn't a technical problem. My problem is that it's very fragile.

The Herald on top barely touch the platform with a single foot, the whips are flimsy at best, and every time I play it I need to be careful.

It's stressful.

I did not enjoy to paint it either.

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>>51144318
Might run this, or remove skrolk and 5 censers and throw in more-more monks

>>51145192
>one-handed crossbow of sort
>sigmarine-style decorations
>animal mane with feathers

stormcast flying cavalry?

>>51145777
It's obviously a Sigmarine riding a half demigryph half Sigmarine

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>>51145192
>>51145777
>It's obviously a Sigmarine riding a half demigryph half Sigmarine

its a sigmarine on a minidragon riding a sigmarine dragon (with a pistol).

remember the good old days when elves were the only ones with dragons.

fuck sigmarines

>>51146072
>when elves were the only ones with dragons.
there has never been such a time and you know it

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>>51146129
Mmmmm chaos dragon. That thing is probably going to be at least $500 though

>>51146129
did the wing break off?

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>>51144318
>Leader
Herald - 100
Lord of Plagues - 100

>Battleline
10x Plaguebearers - 100
10x Plaguebearers - 100
10x Plaguebearers - 100

>Behemoth
GUO - 240
Soul Grinder (Blade) - 280

>Other
5x Blightkings - 180
5x Blightkings - 180
3x Plague Drones - 220
5x Chaos Knights (Glaive) - 200
5x Chaos Knights (Glaive) - 200
--2000 points

>>51145192

What does the 'e' stand for?

>>51146162
They did not attach them in the first place.

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>>51146115
>>51146129

the only exceptions (if my memory serves me) were chaos dragons and one empire dragon. other than that it was "because lore reasons" that the dragons wouldn't work with anyone but elves.

but fuck all that we can give dragons to everyone! dragons ridden by mini dragons riden by space merenes /eh hem excuse me sigmarines, oh my bad meant to say stormcast eternals...

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AoS Wedsneday on Warhammer TV is about to start

>>51146319
And Zombie Dragons.

>>51146319
And Wyverns.

>>51146327
>tfw had to subscribe to watch it because I'm an Ameribro and have to work when they stream

>>51146386
Don't you have Amazon Prime?

Amazon gives you a channel subscription for free.

>>51146410
I hardly ever order from Amazon so I don't see any use in it compared to spending five bucks a month for what is essentially a video magazine subscription

>>51146446
I don't know about you, but here in my country it's 20€ a year.

It's far less than the subscription cost of the channel... and I get Amazon Prime.

>>51144530

I hate metal models, but if that every got remade I'd be all over it.

Actually I'll go one further. I want pestilens rattos with skryre tech flintlocks that spew gunk everywhere. They do kinda work together now in lore.

>>51144530
>not just converting/kitbashing one

>>51146541
>not appreciating the exquisiteness of original vintage models

>>51146578
>not appreciating tributes to vintage models

>>51146578
Vintage is the correct term

>>51146327

ANyone know where the music thats playing is from? Very nice and soothing... probably from a Warham video game?

>>51144318

Leaders
Lord Celestant 100
General: Reckless, Relic Blade
Lord Castellant 100
Drakesworn Templar 500
Phoenix Stone

Battleline
Liberators-100
Hammer and Shield, 1x Grandhammer
Liberators-100
Hammer and Shield, 1x Grandhammer
Judicators 160
Skybolt Bows, 1x Shockbolt Bow
Judicators 160
Skybolt Bows, 1x Shockbolt Bow

Other
Decimators-200
Protectors-200
2x Starsoul Maces
Fulminators 220
Gryph-Hound 40

Battalions:
Skyborne Slayers (120)
2000/2000

>>51146507
And that covers any subscription on Twitch?

>>51146763
Only one.

>>51144318
Leaders
Daemon Prince (160)
- General
- Flying with Axe
- Trait: Great Destroyer
- Artefact: Chaos Talisman
- Khorne

Bloodsecrator (120)
- Artefact: Crown of Conquest

Units
Bloodreavers x 30 (180)
- Meatripper Axes
- Battleline

Infernal Guard Fireglaives x 20 (200)
- Battleline (Legion of Azgorh)

Chaos Warriors x 20 (360)
- Hand Weapon & Shield
- Battleline
- Tzeentch

Chaos Warriors x 20 (360)
- Halberd & Shield
- Battleline
- Khorne

Chaos Warshrine x 1 (200)


War Machines
Hellcannon (300)

Deathshrieker (120)


Total: 2000/2000

Thoughts?

>>51146897
As a note, i was going to bubble wrap the hellcannon with the Fireglaives to prevent caged fury from ever going off.

What's this chinaman website and how shit is the quality?

>>51146969
It's a secret anon shhh

I'll tell you about the quality as soon as I get my hell cannon in the mail

>>51146969
Different chinas, different prices, different quality

>>51146897
>Bloodbound
>Legion of Azgorh
>Slaves to Darkness
Are you me?

I'm thinking about making a Hellcannon. Have you played with it? How is it?

As for your list, looks solid on the defense, but your only big offense unit seems to be the Bloodreavers. If I were playing against you I'd try to shoot them or feed them chaff. Maybe get something speedy? Chaos Knights are amazing, MVPs in every game I play

>>51147042
Do you run them in a group of 10 or 2 x 5?

>>51147056
Only got 5 but I play smaller games, 1000-1300 points. I usually sneak them around the flank to go character and war machine hunting, for that a small unit is enough. They are still really tough though. I've had them tie up 40 clanrats for a whole game, for instance.

>>51147140
Ah good, considering my list is here >>51146181 and it was sorely lacking offensive until i added them

>>51144318
Leaders
Lord Kroak (540)
Saurus Astrolith Bearer (160)
Skink Starpriest (100)
Skink Priest (100)
- Priestly Trappings
Skink Starseer (160)

Units
Saurus Warriors x 10 (100)
- Clubs
- Battleline
Saurus Warriors x 10 (100)
- Clubs
- Battleline
Skinks x 10 (80)
- Meteoric Javelins & Star Bucklers
- Battleline

Behemoths
Bastiladon (300)
Stegadon (260)

Scenery
Balewind Vortex (100)

Total: 2000/2000

>>51147042
So i have heard that the best way to run the hellcannon is 2 or more, on paper they look nasty as hell. My plan was to bubble wrap it with the fireglaves to prevent caged fury so im always hitting on a 3+ or if its a group of 20 a 2+ for 2D6 mortal wounds. But over all to my understanding its one of if not the best, artillery in the game right now.

Im not sure how i feel about the bloodreavers, im still building and painting the list, its actually my first, the plan was to use the tzeentch marked warriors as meat shields, empowering them from the shrine so they reroll all their failed saves, then use the halbards to poke over them to utilize their 2 inch range, bloodsecator behind them makes it nice for the extra attack. The bloodreavers were just he extra spice on it, a group of 30 with a blood secator sort of makes them a "You have to deal with this sooner or later." kinda unit.

As for knights again, i have heard great things about them but still wondering if glaves or enscrolled weapons. If i did take the knights, i think i would drop the reavers, but it seems a lot for 10, 400 points.

If i dropped the revers, i would probably also drop the secator and pick up a second hell cannon, which at that point my strategy would just be tar pit them and then let the range eat them up.

>>51147056
I heard a good way to run them is as 2 groups of 5, and trade them in and out on a unit. SO group one charges attacks, then next turn they fall back then group 2 charges in then you bounce back and forth.

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>>51144593
Asking drawfriends for AoS edits was best decision ever

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>>51147179
>literally how Cavalry work irl
Wonderful, maybe the pain of getting 10 built and painted will pay off

>>51147203
Yeah they fucking suck to put together, but you just need to watch out and make sure they dont pile in around you and block you from running out.

>>51147218
I'll just have to Plague Wind their shit up if they try it
:^)

>>51146897
Why bring Fireglaives? I don't see any kind of synergy here that would justify them over something like Blood Warriors

>>51146698
Skybourne Slayers is like a worse version of Warrior Brotherhood. You have less freedom of how to deploy and you can't bring Retributors to take down those big monsters.

>>51147366
Fireglaves are ranged so by using them to bubble wrap the artillery they can at least shoot back, vs blood warriors just standing there with their dicks in the wind lol.

>>51147366
>>51147399
Also checking your dubs and mine.

>>51145192
Light stormcast cavalry on demi-gryphs to complement the heavy-duty dracothian guard.
I'm down for that.

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>GW still haven't shipped my stuff when i ordered it on Sunday
>I have 0 doubt it's because of that free art card

>>51144302

Guys.

How is it balanced in the General's Handbook in regards to steeds and other upgrades for characters?

I love the points system but why do, say, a Vampire Lord without wings cost the same as one who has wings?

Or an Orc Boss on a boar vs one not mounted on a boar?

Am I missing something?

>>51148182
Free upgrades

>>51148182
>I love the points system but why do, say, a Vampire Lord without wings cost the same as one who has wings?

>Or an Orc Boss on a boar vs one not mounted on a boar?

>Am I missing something?
No, it's like this.
Me too would like something for taking or not taking the steed/wings.

You can house rule it, like mounted/flying heroes being unable to take cover, or something like that.

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So GW has sent my order to Italy instead of Silesia. Don't really know why but I expected something like this. Pic semi related - thank you, tired british worker

>Didn't realise that my army can either Tallyband or Daemon Cohort of Nurgle
Are those 2 formation really that good compared to say a 5 man Knight unit?

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What's going on with this "GA books are on the AoS app" meme? Like 20 Anons confirmed that 90% of battalions are blocked on the app but still someone claims they are for free

>>51148354
If you want the GA battalions so bad, reach into your wallet and buy the books containing them. No one else is going to do it for you.

>>51148215
>>51148182
You fail to realize that a model without steed can comfortably hide behind a unit while a rider has to deal with every archer on the planet gunning for it.

so when disciples of swole birdman are getting released?

>>51148415
going up for preorder this weekend, will be released the week after

I have this list so far:

Leaders
Plague Furnace (220)
- General
- Trait: Lord of War
- Artefact: Crown of Conquest
Plague Priest with Plague Censer (80)

Units
2x Plague Monks x 20 (280)
- Woe
- Pestilens Battleline
Plague Monks x 10 (70)
- Woe
- Pestilens Battleline
Plague Censer Bearers x 5 (60)
- Pestilens Battleline

War Machines
Plagueclaw (180)

Battalions
Congregation of Filth (60)

Total: 950/1000

Points are kinda low, any of these good ideas?
>Extra 10 monks, dropping "Congregration of filth"? (960)
>Taking "foulrain congregation" as my battalion? (990)
>Skrolk over generic priest? (970)

>>51146319
So the only exceptions were a quarter of the factions and your mad because the dwarves meeting giant salamanders on a plane of fire and stormcast made friends with dragons by finding their souls amongst the stars. Not everyone is pulling dragons out their ass but I guess you'll only be happy if YOUR faction is the special snowflake that has them all to themselves because they are the ones that "it makes sense" for.

>>51148546
You must have miscounted somewhere, every point value in the GHB is a multiple of 20

>>51148688

Monks are 70.

>>51148726
Oh wow you're right.

That must be the only unit that's not a multiple of 20. That's fucked up.

Making a list for a small 1000 point game

Leaders:
Freeguild General (100)
-War Horse
-Sigmarite Weapon
-Shield
-Warbanner

Battleline:
30 Handgunners (300)
-Banner
-Musician
20 Freeguild Guard (160)
-Sword and Board
-Banner
-Musician
16 Knights of the Realm (440)
-Banner
-Musician

1000/1000

Thinking about just splitting the Handgunners into three different units or just keep them in the large unit.

>>51148778

Giant rats are 30 also, it is weird now you mention it.

>>51148396

Wait, why? Ohhh because its true line of sight, right?

>>51149153

Yup. Small leaders can hide behind squads.

is Destruction the least played allegiance?

>>51149232
No, Death is least played

>>51149232
no its death

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>>51147188

matched play game beginning on twitch / warhammer

>>51149216

how heroic

>>51149377

Yes-yes, gnaw on the boney-man-things.

>>51149268
>>51149312

Why is that?

>>51149648

I'm a Skaven player, we literally have a "lead from behind" rule.

I'm very well versed in this.

>>51149667
There arent many unit choices

Tomb Kings got cut and they were almost half the range of death models

>>51149667
The reason is deaths main gimic was summoning, and they were originally designed with the idea that points don't matter and you could keep summoning.

Since they added points, and made summoning count toward your total point cost, they gimped their main gimic. On top of that, they don't have range, other the tomb kings which got canned so, you have a slow moving army with no range, and who's main gimic summoning is nerfed to uselessness, the only real thing they have is you show up with nagash, then just summon the unit that best counters your oponants.

>>51149758

I thought they still counted since they have the 'Death' keyword?

>>51149775
Yeah they still count and you can field them, but the model line got disconnected

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>>51149774

>>51148384
I will probably do it just to have a neat book on shelf but why forcing this "free GA books on app" if it's not true?

>>51149774
>>51149787
>Not playing themed Soulblight

>>51149775
You can still field them but only as a Compendium army.

The models are not being produced any more and they dont show up in Grand Alliance: Death. It's a shame because TK are top tier.

>>51149774
>deaths main gimic was summoning
No, -Nagash's- main gimmick was summoning.

>slow moving army
Objectively false

>>51149838
>summoning was not the main gimmick
>army went from top tier to bottom tier after points were added.

Also worth noting that one of the death relics, if you take it the one that brings the model back, FAQ said that means you need to pay twice for the model it's on.

Summoning is what killed the army.

>>51149838
>You can still field them but only as a Compendium army.

Whats a compendium army?

>>51149886
Death is not bottom tier, what are you talking about?

If you think summoning killed the entire Death grand alliance then you're a moron

Like man I want death to be good, but with summon nerf and no range models being produced for them, they are just crap.

>>51149913
>not bottom.

Oh to be as ignorantly blissful as you my friend.

You can shout it on the hella if you like, but death is deader then a door nail, shoved into the back corner of any store. Great models, but shit tier army

>>51149945
Oh to be as ignorantly blissful as you my friend.

You can shout it on the hella if you like, but death is powerful and competitive. Great models, high tier army.

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>>51145547
Is this viable?

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>All these people crying about Death
>Leader
Neferata - 440
Vamp Lord on ZDragon - 440

>Battleline
10x Zombies - 60
10x Zombies - 60
10x Zombies - 60

>Other
2x Archai - 240
5x Blood Knights - 260
5x Blood Knights - 260
10x Grave Guard OR 3x Vargheists - 160
--1980 points

>>51149910
open the GHB in the op

>>51150007
How is this not annihilated by turn 3 against

>>51144318
>>51144393
>>51146698
>>51147164

????

>>51150049
It will be destroyed by turn 3 VS the army you linked.
I dont understand the smug anime face

>>51150049
Then drop a group of Knights and the 160 points and pick up a Mourngul

There's a matched game with a death army at Twitch/warhammer right now.

>>51150106
Who vs who and point limit?
Death vs?

>>51150122
Death vs Skaven, 2k points

>>51150122
skaven, 2k pts

>>51150122

Zaki Kaitala (Skaven) Vs Death Grand Alliance (Adrian McWalter)

2K points

>>51150122

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/01/11/game-2-jan-11-2017-matched-play-game-lists/

lists for it are here.

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>>51150007
>>51150092
Shit man this list looks so fun
>Leader
Neferata - 440
Vamp Lord on ZDragon - 440

>Battleline
10x Zombies - 60
10x Zombies - 60
10x Zombies - 60

>Behemoth
Mourngul - 400

>Other
3x Spirit Hosts - 120
10x Grave Guard - 160
5x Blood Knights - 260
--2000 points

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>>51150122

>>51149973
so just do a 2k army that stomp the other in this thread ?

im waiting for how many mourgul you need to fit to even have the shadow of a chance

What's more fun race bros?
Ironjawz or Bonememers?

>>51150282
why not take both

>>51150282
Bone for Horde/Spam
Ironjaws for dead 'ard boyz

>>51150255
>implying this >>51150176 wouldn't be fun to play despite Death being the most underdeveloped Alliance

>>51150336
>hurrhurr now instead of proving my point soth a top tier list I will just link someone elses "fun" list and tell then death is the weakest

>>51150363
>implying i give a shit about the autism that is WAACing when i never play tournies and would rather play something i enjoy
Considering i came up with a relatively fun/themed list in <10 mins

If you're so smart, you make one then
I'll wait

>>51150255

Just off the top of my head

Leaders
Settra The Imperishable (360)
Tomb Herald (100)
Liche Priest (120)
Necrotect (100)
Royal Warsphinx (340)
- Venom Spike Tail
Necromancer (120)

Units
Necropolis Knights x 6 (320)
Skeleton Chariots x 3 (140)
Skeleton Chariots x 3 (140)
Skeleton Warriors x 10 (80)
Tomb Scorpions x 1 (80)
Skeleton Horsemen x 5 (100)

Total: 2000/2000

>>51150363
Facts don't lie my dude, death is the lowest in the power ranking.

I want death to be good but it's not right now.

>>51150412
What facts

>>51150323
>why not take both
cause it's too expensive for me to get both
i kinda prefer the look of Ironjawz but i might be losing something with Bonesplitters

So as ridiculous as an idea as this will sound what if a Bonesplitter boy was capable of feeling love? And let's say he was to discover monster girls would he end up hunting monster girls?
>Hard mode can't kill them but still has to acquire trophies.

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So is it this good? I want to make my opponents wheely dead too

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>>51150509

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>>51150412
I know thats exactly what i say, but this huge faggot troll here >>51150395 and here >>51149973
calls people ignorant and say death is top tier, then when ask to actually prove his point and make a list that kills the other top 4 list in this thread tell us how death is weak but ''FUN''

>Considering i came up with a relatively fun/themed list in <10 mins
Everybody can come up with """fun""" list but don't say shit like >>51149973 and then post a ""fun''' list it makes you look like a retard

>If you're so smart, you make one then
>I'll wait

You can wait approximately until the next death book drops because right now, as i said, death is the weakest by a huge margin. you are just proving my point

>>51150535
>its okay when i call people ignorant
>its not okay when other people call me ignorant
>everyone else is a troll
>my opinion is fact

How do you even live with yourself

>death is the weakest by a huge margin
[citation required]

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>>51150535
>Gets mad
>calls 2 different posters samefag
But anon if you're such a 1337 playa surely you can make something strong out of this weak alliance

right?

>>51150282

Ironjawz are awesome, and you get to play a Maw-Krusha.

>>51150660
i really like Megaboss model, it's sweet

>>51150483
Look at all the death in these tournament results, clearly top tier

>first out of 2 tournaments listed
>least listed in 10 ten
>hardly taking 3rd or 2nd place

Mmmm yes clearly a top tier army

Mad yet?

https://www frontlinegaming.org/community/frontline-gamings-independent-tournament-circuit/aos-itc-event-results/

Whats the strongest 500pt Nurgle list?

Gutrot
Blightkings
Knights with glaives??

Something with daemons other than the SC box??

>>51150730
AOS metagame is too new and too small to draw any meaningful conclusions yet. Everyone is just spamming thundertusks and cheesing their way to victories.

Do you know the different between fact and opinion?

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>>51145547
Is this list any good or should I drop a priest and some censers for 20 more monks? I've only played a couple 1k games so far. Is it as good as a skryre?

>>51150798
>facts vs opinion
>death hardly listed in tournament
>death places the fewest
>these are clearly not fact

Results arnt opinions my friend, results are facts and the results show death is the weakest army right now.

>>51150747
the one you losted looks nice. its what i would do if i chose rotbringer

>>51145192
Looks Freeguild or dorf to me.

If it's Freeguild, and means a supplement is coming for them, I may back away from my Death considerations and choose them instead.

If true, it's both neat because I'd like to see Freeguild Lore expanded, but lane because Order does *not* need another supplement right now.

>>51150798
Death is shit right now man, you can keep saying it's not but results dont show it man. Sorry but death is dead

Tell you what find me results that show death dominated in tournaments consistently.

>>51150595
no because its impossible to be competitive with an army that shit.

>>51150594
Difference is that you call people ignorant to say death isnt top tier, then post no proof, and then you even post proof that its shit tier

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>>51150998
>its impossible to be competitive with an army that shit.
For you

>>51150946
But the results of a handful of tournaments is not a significant sample size. Competitive AOS is only 6 months old and it takes time to build + paint + play.

There's also confirmation bias in army popularity - unpopular armies don't get as many opportunities as popular armies. For example, if a tournament of 64 players had 50 Stormcast, 10 Beastclaw, and 4 Death armies then it is likely that the Stormcast take most top spots just by virtue of seeding and bracketing.

Tournament structure could also play a factor. For example, we don't know if these TOs allow compendium armies or not.

I'm not saying Death is very good (I think it is, but that's besides the point) just that there are other factors at play here besides power level, and trying to draw conclusions from a handful of tournaments in a game that is only 6 months old is disingenuous at best and downright idiotic at worst.

>>51150998
Burden of proof lies with the person that originally claimed death is bad. Unfortunately there is no proof yet, just opinions and conjecture.

>>51151092
>still failing to provide any proof death is good In light of proof that they are bad

I have proof they are bad and I showed you. Those are all independent tournaments that frontline gaming is reporting on so they are not some Joe blow in the garage.

You have yet to provide any counter to that, u tip you do, death still stands as the weakest army in AoS sorry friend its shit.

>but but muh army popularity
erelavent, prior to points death was the most powerful, these are turnoments filled with WAAC players who don't care about army fluff or how pretty they look.

>muh muh competitive rules
Yeah well guess what all those tournaments would have different rules if we assume that and even then death only took first in 2 of them

>muh death ain't that bad
Even though before you were saying it was too tier, now it's a not so top tier. Almost there anon now you hair gotta admit they are bottom :)

>>51151234
>its irrelevant because i said so!
fuck off retard

>>51151302
>being this mad.
No friend it's pretty relative becuase tournaments aren't a out fluff or pretty armies it's about winning and death ain't doing that.

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Are there any good tutorial/demo matches on YT to show my interested friends or full reports with all these dice rolling, moving, measuring etc?

>>51151397
>everyone who disagrees with me is a mad troll!

Christ you're insufferable

You don't know anything about statistics, tournaments, or competitive AOS

Fuck off retard

>>51149669
Had you mean lol

>>51151092

I haven't post in like 2 weeks but I will weight in.

You can see my armies in the last threads, and my input on other peoples DEATH lists. I have maybe 200+ zombie, 120 ghouls, a fuckload of every monsters and my favorite thing to field in casual is 3 Vargulf.

I play death and only death since 7th after quitting 40K.
If I do not field at least 3 mourngul in tournament (most of the time I summon them) I am at clear disadvantage against most armies.

I mainly field FEC with lots of Morghasts and crypt flayers, I have to be very fast and basically all IN one side of the table with the Deadwatch bataillon to win (I win reliably in casual and less competitive games)
Death have to be careful to be in range with everything for synergy/abilities but your army is only as strong as the weakest point when it comes to abilities.

Other armies do not even bother with bataillon and just add up brutal units to win (looking at you Azgor fag with Shar'tor and max deathshreiker) death just cannot do that outside of mourngul and morghasts/deadwatch.

I use to completely own any game when we could summon shit and our goulking could use the ring for free, now its clear that we need to wait until GHB 2 to be competitive again.

Lists like this one >>51144318 can kill 2 mourngul a turn with only the arrowboyz... an i have no answer that is not "More mourngul/morghast" to things like warrior brotherhood/or durthu/Frostlords because of just how much damage and HP they have for the points.

The Strongest point of death was summoning, but right know its risky because all armies are fast and if you miss a critical summon turn 2 you've just lost.

I doubt you play Death, or you just don't play enough if you think death is in good shape right now.

also, refusing things like ITC results because "its only anecdote" without giving any hindsight on why you think Death isn't weak or any proof of your point is just stupid.

>inb4 hurrdurr serabro/you and other namefag are cancer

>>51151739
hurrdurr serabro and you are cancer

>>51151739
>If I do not field at least 3 mourngul in tournament
People are fielding 3 frostlords in every tournament which is blatantly WAACfaggory but somehow Death is supposed to rise above that and play "fair" armies?

Gotta fight cheese with cheese

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>>51151739
>Shar'tor

this. I HATE this model.
-Hey guys what of we make a nice hero for Azgor ??
-yeah go ahead
-Fuckload of rend -2attacks damage 3 that generate attacks.Oh and add 4 attacks for his feet and make them 2 damage if he charges
-That's strong ind...
-AND he can take Bullcentaurs as battleline and shield them
-Okay kevin i got it you want this thing to sell but...
-AND we give it a one off ability that can kill half a skaven/dwarf/gibmob/freeguild/deamon army by itself.

>240 points.

the price of 20 shitty battleline troops for all of this

>>51151432
Frontline gaming has two narrative battle reports which I find really good.

>>51152080
>8 Wounds

>>51152080
What's the ideal build with him then? Im gonna start a 1000 point army soon of LoA and wanna know what I need

>>51152192
him alone vs an army

>>51150946
I think death is in better shape than any of the elves factions. So at least it's not the worst.

If anyone can point to any tournament anywhere where any elf list won anything I'd love to see it.

>>51152251
Shiiiiit, what makes him so good exactly? I'm retarded and don't understand what any of the things in that first post means

>>51152253
I'm surprised Phoenixspam with Hurricanum has no showing.

Then again, no Memesplitterz lists have topped, either.

>>51151517
>insufferable
Gonna call me a shit lord man child and post about it on yor tumblr? I know facts make you do that.

>>51152253
True elfs are hit or miss, but let me tell you, dark elf executioners and phenix guard, still fucking scary.

Phenix guard are still like the best tar unit in the game and executioners just slaughter stuff. But on their own meh.

>>51152471
What "facts"? Your tiny sample size that is in no way representative of the game as a whole?

Fucking americunts don't know anything about statistics baka

Must haves in a skryre army? I've currently got an arch warlock and 3 stormfiends + a bunch of clanrats, but I need to expand. Are doomflayers any good?

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>People still buying models and shit when they could proxy everything with stones or salami slices

>>51152904
More Stormfiends and Warp Lightning Cannons

>>51152904
Doomwheels are p.sick
Warpfire weapons team behind the clanrats too.

You can also run Skryre accolytes as battleline, right?

>>51152930

>Tfw keep losing the pebble spam with lego brick general.

Fucking cancer, I swear.

yo everyone !
i want to try AoS a bit, is this list viable ? i plan on buying the SC of the flesheater court and skellies, lot of them :

vampire on dragon-440pts
3 vargheists-160pts
25 skellies with spears-200pts
25 skellies with spears-200pts

>>51152598
>my sample size is not representative
>provides no sample size
>I'm wrong.

Are you pretending to be retarded? Becuase those are not "small" those are all independent tournaments that frontline was willing to cover which means they arnt small.

Death performs like shut in all of them.

That thumbnail looks like E.Y.E. and I'm a bit disappointed that it isn't.

>>51152994
We were proxing x-wing with lego with friends some time ago. Not only models but also tokens, a range ruler and maneuver templates

>>51152935
>>51152977
Yup, acolytes are battleline, and they've got nice models too.

And what about jezzails/ratling cannons? The models are too dated for my tastes, but I'm thinking about giving some of my clanrats some kroot rifles to replace them, if the units are worth it.

>>51153021
Do you understand what "sample size" means? I can't "provide a sample size" you fuckwit, that's not what the term means.

Death underperforming in a handful of tournaments in one part of the world only 6 months after the game was released could be due to a number of reasons that are not at all related to the power of the faction as a whole.

Trying to draw conclusions from such a small amount of data is pointless, and if you can't understand that then you are beyond retarded.

Does anyone have a link or pictures of that guys Order army that was playing in the narrative campaign today? His dudes were full of character, even the lowliest infantrymen.

>>51153107
If you wanna troll get thanqul and put him on a bail wind vortex

>>51153114
Ok then, riddle me this one joker.

How do you explain the fact death was the strongest prior to the generals hand book and not pulling so far behind?

>>51153117

Did i even mean Order ... is Order a thing? Fuck i think i ment Free peoples ... or humans or . freeguild i could jsut google it ... where are all these names coming from my head is full of fuck.

>>51153146
Oh I know why because what I told you was right, death was designed around summoning and no points and when they were added the fell to shit.

What makes you think these tournaments are little? They are not.

>>51153146
How can you possible claim that Death was strongest before the GHB?

If your reasoning is because of unlimited summoning well the Seraphon were objectively better at that, and they were hurt just as badly by the summoning restrictions when transitioned to mathced play

>>51153197
Want a bigger data set?
http://www belloflostsouls.net/2016/08/aos-season-of-war.html

Global fucking tournament, with death pulling fucking last, what's your argument now dip shit? Or is a global tournament to fucking small?

>>51153107

Jezzails are deccently killy and the "no movement" ability is neat too.
Ratling cannons are good too, but you're probably gonna wanna just take more stormfiends w/ ratling guns, if you wanna roll a trillion dice.

>>51153197
Also worth noting because clearly you don't know, lizard men were broken becuase you could chain summon

>>51147001
Where did you order the hellcannon? Z? I got one from Z and the quality is okay-ish. I owned a metal one years ago and it was way better, dunno bout the finecast ones. Some warpage in the barrel and in the sides which are holding it, but nothing too major, fixable by a hairdryer. I put it together and everything is still a little crooked, but I dont care, as it looks pretty cool, like the daemon inside it twisting its way out vor whatever. Cast Detail is awesome, though.

>>51153250
But that tournament had no restrictions whatsoever and the results don't give us any meaningful data. The results were determined by building, painting, and playing - it had NOTHING to do with winning games.

Order, Chaos, and Destruction had a lot of releases since AOS came out while Death had only the Flesheater Courts. In fact Death had almost half the model line cut when they removed the Tomb Kings out of the Grand Alliance book. Everyone was buying Seraphon, Sylvaneth, Stormcast, Khorne, Nurgle, Ironjawz, and Beastclaw for the last 6-12 months before that event.

The only reasonable conclusion to draw from the Season of War is that Death is underrepresented because it's not popular, and it's not popular because:

1. It's not blatantly powerful like Beastclaw Raiders
2. It has very few model choice and all of them fit into a specific niche aesthetic
3. It hasn't had any significant releases since the End Times

>>51153283
What the fuck are you even talking about?

No, you couldn't chain-summon with Seraphon. Only the Slann can summon Seraphon into play and they can't summon other Slann. The only way to get another Slann into play was with an Engine of the Gods, and only with a specific unreliable ability.

>>51153411
I got a Z one on the way, since GW stopped casting it and I'm not pay 100 for eBay I'm doing recast.

>>51146969
https://mega.nz/#F!hEUhGZAD!Mqx_Xc2wNqdnLwVMMvijxg

>>51153434
>muh global data
Holy fucking shit you are dumb?

Let me guess I bet you have a fucking death army and are getting cucked by an order army lol

Oh cool thanks for listing 3 reasons that help back the fact it's a shitty broke army.

Let's we have death failing is the grand campaign, death failing in independent tournaments or placing in them. But your saying death is good? Even though you have yet to show me on fucking solid piece of evadance that prove otherwise? All you have said is no it's not it's good your dumb.

Face it, death is a shit army and you can't fucking prove its not.

Go ahead find one fucking case where death unanimously is pulling ahead I fucking dare you.

Becuase we both know you can't, now fuck off autist

>>51153411
I also got one from Z, and I'm waiting for it now, however I'm planning on using it mostly for conversion parts as I can make a lot of neat stuff from making blu stuff molds out of sections of it

>>51153658
>>51153436
I sent him an email and didn't get a response, is there a format?

>>51153944
Checked

Normally I do

"New order, USA, name"
Also it takes a while to hear back sometimes a day sometimes a week depends. Also need to make sure you have the right email, he respond to his old one but it takes a lot longer

>>51153944
Wait a few days, it's not a fast process

>>51154028
>>51154020
It was twelve days ago, I'm thinking of trying again, do you guys include the payp[all in the initial email? or wait for a response?

>>51153617
its a WHFB troll that do not have any army anyway. he obviosuly dont play Death and is just fucking around.
just let him die like his deadgame, dont answer

>>51154045
sometime i waot up to 1 months. last news on yoyhammer have him in 3 months back order because everyont ordering

>>51154045
I tell him what I want and also that I want paypal and then he sends an . xls with evrything, which I check, tellhim its correct and my PayPal AS well as my Adress. Then i get the invoice and then my models. Have you checked ur spamfolder? He normally is pretty fast, uaually less than 48h. But seeing he just had a promo running maybe he has some backlog. Just forward ur old E-Mail again, saying smth like : have u seen my mail? And then wait for 14-20 days before Sending another

>>51152080
You seem... surprised that FW writes overpowered shit to sell models. Are you new here or....?
> but but muh Horus Heresy
Mechanium, the army created solely by forge world (not chained to a Space Marine stat line), is fucking GROSSLY overpowered. Let's not even get into their "take an army of only our fucking Knights" army list

>>51154099
Checked
Yeah probably right haha

>>51153617
THE EVENT HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH WINNING GAMES

IT WAS ABOUT BUILDING, PAINTING, AND PLAYING

I wrote it in caps so you would actually read it this time

>Go ahead find one fucking case where death unanimously is pulling ahead I fucking dare you.

Burden of proof is not on me, it's on you. You claimed that Death is bad and haven't produced any kind of meaningful proof of that claim, then threw an autistic fit when somebody called you out on your bullshit.

Here is an example of proving a claim:
You are a moron and are shit at this game.
How do I know this? The evidence is in this thread. You think that Seraphon could chain summon. You don't know how statistics work. You don't know what "sample size" means. You don't understand that a global event about build/paint/play is not the same thing as a competitive tournament.
You have demonstrably proven to everyone here that you are a moron and you have no idea what you're talking about.

Death is not "bottom tier" like you claimed, but it is an unpopular army.

>>51153617
>>51154099
>>51154233
>same shitty grammar and spelling

Samefag patting himself on the back. Sad!

>>51154359
Not same person faggot
>>51154293
What ever helps you sleep at night as you cry yourself to sleep looking at your death mini's, hoping maybe one day they will be competitive haha.

Fucken faggot

>>51154293
Also I'm sill fucking waiting for anything showing death is not a shit army, which you have yet to show me.

>>51153442
Jesus these prices are nuts. Blightkings for half off? Gutrot for 5bux?

Can anyone confirm that Zs newer models are good quality while older releases are booty?

>>51154474
Eh it's hit or miss, I always think of it as ordering a combo of forgewold and fine case, they need some extra love but once you paint it up they are fine.

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What are you using to navigate through your warscrolls? Phones, books, photos or maybe custom cards like pic related?

>>51154438

Please return to 40k, WFB or wherever it is you came from.

What part of "THE BURDEN OF PROOF IS ON YOU" are you refusing to let enter into your retard brain? You either chose to ignore this or just dont understand it, either way you've shit up the thread enough.

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>>51154438
>he still doesnt understand burden of proof

Seraphon
Ironjawz
Disciples of Tzeench
Slaanesh
Stormcast
Courts
Skaven
which one and why?

>>51154561
Whichever looks coolest

>>51154561
I would pick Ironjawz or Stormcast because they seem to be comfy and easy to build armies. Right now I'm having some fun with doing first steps with Skavens. I'm rather a casual player running low-point games so these factions fit me well. It all depends, Anon.

>>51152281
He can punch *really* fucking hard. It's not unlikely that he will just cleave through any enemy unit he has laid his eyes upon.
That said, I prefer making him not the general. His command ability is nice, but once the enemy cottons on to what he can do he tends to get obliterated.

>>51154540
I already showed you proof that death is under performing, where is your proof they are not becuase I have been asking for it. If it's so clear they are not shit then why can't you come up with anything?

Oh yeah becuase you can't. >>51154560
>ignores blatant loss in independent tournaments reported to front line
>ignores seasons of war, muh muh painting and modeling!!

So how many grave guard did you have to loose before you found out your army was shit? Or rather how much did your parents buy you? Is that what this is? Did you get a bunch for Christmas and you actually wanted khorne but you need to pretend to like your army?

Haha!

This fucking ass mad over toy soldiers

>>51154503
Tablet. Quick and easy and I've always have it with me anyway.

>>51154687
We are ignoring the season of war because it has nothing to do with WINNING games. It was 100% a popularity contest. It's not relevant to the conversation.

It's like saying Order is a good faction because mars is red. It's irrelevant.

>>51154721
can you show us your death army ? what do you face and field ?

>>51153283
Wasn't Chaos that could do that?

>>51154561
I play Skaven so thats what I'd reccomend, great fun if you like huge swarms of rats covered in AIDs and Steampunk-y weapons with giant glowing rocks all over them.

Ironjawz would be my second pick. They look amazing, and you'll ahve a great time choosing colour schemes for their armour. And as I always say "FUCKING MAW-CRUSHA", I'm in love with that model.

>>51154721
>nothing to do with winning
Cmon now anon.....you know damn well it logged wins and losses

Still can't refute the independent tournoments and you STILL! Can show anything that shows death is not shit right now.

Go ahead show me something, if your so fucking confident it's doing fine, and it's kicking so much ass why is it always in the bottom rankings?
Hmm???

>>51154293
>it is an unpopular army.

No wonder, all the other alliances are composed of multiple WHFB armies. Death is literally Tomb Kings and Vampire Counts and TK were axed.

>>51154798
>Cmon now anon.....you know damn well it logged wins and losses

No? It logged wins and painted units. In my store Chaos won largely despite winning the fewest games because a guy painted a whole chaos army.

>>51154798
But it also logged people building and painting models. It was 100% a popularity contest and nothing more, stop deluding yourself.

My local store was won by an Order player that painted 30 warscrolls and never played a single game.

I already refuted the handful of tournaments because they are not an indicative sample size and while they do show that Death is underrepresented, and they do not show that it is a direct result of Death being a weaker faction.

>>51154813
This.

Order and Chaos are popular because they are huge factions with tons of variety.

Destruction is relatively popular because they have recently updated battletomes and the Orcs are a fan favourite.

Death has neither of these things going for it.

Low popularity can lead to low turnout, which leads to poor tournament results because that's how tournaments work.

>>51154872
merely an anecdote. if you think this is a proof you are retarded beyond any help.

So, what's the purpose of summoning in Pitched Battles? Is it some kind of AoS version of Deep Striking?

>>51154917
yes

>>51154898
...what? Are you legittimately medically retarded? Because the fact that Season of War worked in a way that if Destruction won 10 games in a store but a guy painted 11 order units then Order won is not disputable.

>>51155010
and in my gw nobody painted anything and it was only win/loss, so what is your point ?

>>51155010
are you mad because you don't have any army nor proof beyond anecdote that Death is the shittiest faction by a huge margin ?

>>51155034
That using painting results to evaluate how powerful an army is is beyond idiocy?

>>51155050
I'm more astonished by the fact that you are using a painting competition to gauge tabletop performance.

I guess the Ogroid Thaumaturge is the most overpowerd hero in the game considering he won the Golden Demon.

I'm not even claiming anything about death, as it's not played in my LFGS, so I've no idea. But you have gone beyond retardation.

>>51155158
you've been arguing that death isnt the shiitiest tier for 5 hours, against multiple report of actual death tournament players and numerous itc tournament, and you dont even play nor face death at all ?

>>51155158
How about you stop deflecting and actually show something that proves death is not shit?

>>51155158
>I don't play death
>I don't fight death becuase no one plays it at my store

Gee wonder why that is? It's almost like the fucking suck. Becuase it's not a lack of good looking models.

>>51152999
>25 skeletons

What is this? WFB?

>>51155233
yeah youre right personal preference doesnt exist

Can you guys tell me how Age of Sigmar is now? I was going to get into it will wood elves, the end times happened, I back away until the dust settled and now I hear that it is ok now. I like how the Sylvaneth look so I might pick them.

>>51154945
Oh, okay, got the right analogy, then. Thanks.

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>>51155213
I just joined in. I don't care about death, but I find the thought of someone so idiot to try to use painting result to evaluate the power of an army hilarious.

>>51155287
It's a beer and pretzel game, very simple to play, more mindless fun then anything else. Each army has a few wombo combos you can pull out that just leave the enemy but all in all its a decent game.

Not much depth in my opinion but plenty of breadth.

>>51155287
sylvaneth are very good and internally balanced, the SC box is a good choice

>>51155298
Also it has the advantage of choosing what you want to deep strike after the game started, so you can adapt your army list depending on your enemy.

>>51150730
I'm seeing a variety of different results here, sometimes Destruction takes top of the charts, another Order, then Chaos, the only pattern I see is that Death is present, but less played.

Which really shouldn't come as a surprise given how Death also has had the least updates and the lowest army variety. Season of War had similar results, and that one was driven mostly by purchases and painting.

Are you sure this isn't just evidence that Death can do just as well as the other armies, but just that less people play it?

>>51155323
>>51155332
K, I just wanted to know what I was getting into, plus I want a reason to own Alarielle the Everqueen because the model is sexy as fuck

>>51155370
its also super strong

>>51155350
On the surface that's how it would seem, but the thing is, it's ALWAYS trailing in tournoments, if it was good you would see it doing a lot better then it is.

It's hardly in the top ranking when it comes to tournoments, I'd it was decent the model range would not be the issue. That said having a small range in no way helps it.

In fact I would say that's the reason it's so shitty is becuase it's so limited, the only range unit thu have skeleton archers got aced with tomb kings. So is it the cause? Yeah I would say so. But the cause is irrelevant to the fact they are the worst army in the game right now.

>>51155370
Oh she is narly, damn beard impossible to kill she heals like a SOB

>>51155438
Damn near*

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Where were you the day the freeguild could mass produce handgun more powerful than the chaos dorfs ?

>>51155545
They didn't

Empire handgun is 5+/3+ which is 22%
Chaos Dwarf gun is 4+/4+ which is 25%

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>>51155613
Are you so retarded you think the actual aim of the pleb aiming the gun is a component of the quality of the gun ?
I didn't say anything about the gunner, but if you want to go this way, the freeguild will probably not be moving and be near an hurricanum so is hitting on 3+ anyway

>>51155545
Crying softly :( still is annoying but oh well, it's their thing

>>51155545
I dunno, where were you when Chaos Dwarf Fireglaives (which used to be fucking halberds) turned out to be as good as a regular dwarf *punching* the opponent?

>>51155613
Dwarfs are marksman, humans have been given the gun 10 minutes before the battle.
Not anything to do with quality of the gun tho

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>>51155690
It's sad because its true

>>51155677
Well next time be more specific you cockeater, how the fuck is anyone supposed to know what your autistic faggot rant is about

>>51155340
Dandy, thanks.

>>51155715
Just read the fucking text
>Where were you the day the freeguild could mass produce handgun more powerful than the chaos dorfs ?

>>51155735
Roll of a 6 though dorfs do 2 damage

>>51155735
"more powerful" could mean a lot of things you faggot

>>51155705
>A gun's accuracy has nothing to do with the gun.

>>51155769
>Handgun
is an object

>Hangunner
is a person

Know the difference

>>51155775
Then look at the gun just below that have twice the range.
Also the rules clearly state that if an Handgunner don't move he is as precise as the dwarf, so the bad aim is clearly on the peasant side

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Freeguild ? steahead duardin that need eagles to go with harpoon Zeppelin ?

>>51155816
To be fair only the marksmen gets that.

I mean if we are assuming it's within 16" and both sides shoot at the same time, dwarfs are gonna win.

Dwarfs deal 2 wounds on 6 and have a better save

>>51144318
Battalions:
Dark Feast - 100
Bloodstorm -140

Leaders:
Aspiring Deathbringer - General 80
Slaughterpriest w/ Axe 100
Slaughterpriest w/ Axe 100
Slaughterpriest w/ Axe 100
Bloodstoker 80
Bloodsecrator 120

Battleline:
Bloodreavers x 20 120
Bloodreavers x 20 120
Bloodreavers x 20 120
Wrathmongers x5 180
Wrathmongers x5 180
Wrathmongers x5 180
Chaos Warshrine 200
Chaos Warhounds x 10 80

2000/2000

What's wrong with Death?

You can't summon infinite skellingtons any longer?

Boo-fucking-hoo

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>>51155859
>an army full of slow melee units with low rend

>>51155888
Checked tips for truth

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>>51155859
>3 Slaughterpriests

>>51155846
its Swifthawk Agents.

Think about it.

>>51156047
Esplain

>>51155846
Thinking Free Peoples or Duardin. Pistol is a give-away of one or the other, since none of the other factions use them.

>>51155859
Those reavers are going to get slaughtered real quick.

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Okay well /tg/ be gentle.

Here's what I have for my Death Army, left over from my 6th Edition Vampire Counts.

>Leaders
3x Vampire Lord (1 on Nightmare)
1x Wight King w/ Black Axe
1x Wight king w/ Baleful Tomb Blade (mounted)
1x Necromancer

>Battleline
30x Skeles w/ hand weapon & shield
30x Zombies
20x Skeles w/ spears & shield

>Other
15x Black Knights
6x Bat swarms

1960/2000

Soooo should I even bother going to the tournament coming up? I was looking forward to giving AoS a swing but this thread has me losing hope about Death armies.

>>51156440
Well as its been said into the ground, death is not in a good place. The thing you need to watch out for is if you go up against someone with artillery, your gonna need to bum rush it with the bats and try to take out the crew. They are gonna try and tar you up and just pick you away with range.

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>>51148657
fuck it. its just another example of the elves having been chucked in the wood chipper and left for dead.

>>51156524
Saying it enough times wont make it true

Death is fine

>>51155846
its a space marine riding a mini dragon riding a super dragon (with a pistol).

>>51156620
We have been over this faggot, leave, you cant show anything that proves they arnt. I can prove they are and have please see ITC results in which death only takes 1st once and is hardly in the top 10 thank you and good day faggot, go look at your death minis and keep telling your self they are top tier as you cry.

ANYWAY! butthurt WFB aside, deaths real threat is ranged on your units, you get your self like 20 or 30 skeleton archers you going to be in a lot more comfortable place.

>>51156524

How would they achieve that? Are they trying to get their arty to fire on my flanks?

I'm thinking maaaaybe something could work out if I screen with the zombies, get mid way, summon bats to attack arty/archers and engage his main line (very, very broad plan)

>>51156679
We have been over this faggot, leave, you cant show anything that proves they are. I can prove they are and have, you can ignore the ITC results because they are a negligible sample size thank you and good day faggot, go look at your tiny cock and keep telling your self it is more than 3" as you cry

>>51156708
you can shoot into melee in AoS and lots of artillery dont need los and get a buff like reroll ones to either wound or hit. Or things like can cause mortal wound.

>>51156731
SHUT UP FAGGOT YOU HAVE BEEN PUT IN YOUR PLACE, your opinions just like your life mean shit and are as valuable as your shitty undead army, back up your claim or neck your self.

Again we digress since you cahn shoot into melee they can tar you up and get bonuses to your large zombie units.

>>51156731
>I choose to ignore the results that disprove my point.
Being this ass mad your army is shit like you.

>>51156763
SHUT UP FAGGOT YOU HAVE BEEN PUT IN YOUR PLACE, your opinions just like your life mean shit and are as valuable as your shitty 3" dick, back up your claim or neck your self

>>51156773
See ITC results, had waving them away does not change the fact it happened.

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>>51156763
>>51156772
>samefagging this hard

>>51156787
ITC results are not a big enough sample size

>>51156793
Yeah i need to because your shit opinions require 2 posts to tell you how wrong you are.

>>51155775
nah accuracy does have something to do with the gun. eg. muskets vs sniper rifle

the shooter's skill probably matters more, but there ares such things as an accurate and an inaccurate gun.

>>51156440
needs more mournguls

>>51156810
http://www.heelanhammer.com/SCGTdownloads/SCGT16FinalStandings.pdf

125 contenstants largest AoS tournament an absolute WAAC event, highest death player ranked 11.

Total number of death players:23

Death is shit, competitively.

>>51156919

>>51156919

>>51156919

New thread

>>51156592
Yes, fuck having an entire plot in the works dedicated to elves, right?

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>>51152930

>Being poor

Playstyle differences between chaos mortals and chaos daemons?