Pathfinder General /pfg/

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T-tone it down with the OP.

Now that the dust has settled, what does /pfg/ think of Of Dragons and Yet More Dragons?

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I want to marry a gillgal!

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>>51173849

It's cute and lewd and utterly without substance or direction. I give it three months and three cancelled sessions before it dies.

TAKING APPS FOR HELL'S VENGEANCE

Ignore the giantslayer in the link.
https://app.roll20.net/lfg/listing/66405/giantslayer

Games on Tuesdays, Gestalt, 25pb, most 3pp allowed.

Join in!

>>51173808
>Was the Healer's Handbook any good? What does it do for combat healing in 1pp-only? Is there better noncombat healing than a wand of CLW now?
The best stuff in it was by far the Paladin stuff. The new mercies were fantastic and the variant bonds were cool. I liked the flaming halo that gave super protection against evil.

>>51173880
I suggest you make some threads so apps can be neatly collated, or just tell people to make an individual thread for each app!

See >>51173803 for more details!

What's the best way to get party members killed and make it look like an accident? Asking as a Cleric.

>>51173877
Wonderful optimism, anon!

>>51173790
Well, looks like I'll have to go Merfolk, then!

Fins to feet is such a useful spell!

>>51173887
>variant bonds

I think I missed those?

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GREETINGS, MORTAL INSECTS.

TELL ME OF YOUR BURNING BLASTERS, YOUR BLAZING BUFFS, YOUR HEATED HEALERS, YOUR INCENDIARY ITEMS, AND YOUR FLAMING FIGHTERS.

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>>51173926
>Fins to feet is such a useful spell!

But anon, why walk when you can ride on the Paladin hunk's shoulders, pressing your breasts against his back and whispering filthy nothings in his ear just to feel his heart pound in his chest?

He'd even princess-carry you to bed, if you asked.

>>51173937
I had a shortsword with flaming once.

>>51173913
Throw a bead of force at a Wasp Nest of Swarming while they're sleeping.

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>>51173880
>gestalt with all DSP and SoP allowed and a pack of free feats!

Why does every /pfg/ game have to be so insanely high powered and have a retardedly high optimization ceiling?

>>51173937
Crossblooded Brass Dragon/Primal Fire Elemental Gillman (Riverfolk) Sorcerer.
He chucked around fireballs that did more damage than he had health and that he also had a vulnerability to.

>>51173980
Because you didn't make the game you wanted, faggot. It's fine to say you prefer something else, but don't bitch when people do what they want.

>>51173880
Current idea:

>Raging Cannibal/True Primitive Barbarian
>Brutal Slayer Stalker

Or I could do what I always do and make a really good skill monkey.

>>51173937
I brewed a pc race of firepeople once. They can throw fireballs.

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>>51173965
I'm getting really turned on now

>>51173980
Wait for DHB's game.

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>>51174014

Is she going to be a tropical mermaid?

She'd have bright coloration! Certainly a blessing of Shelyn!

>>51174014
Keep it to yourself and not in this thread.

>>51173980

Autism, son.

If you want something more reasonable, go play a 5e game.

I'll join you. I'd run, buuuut, I've currently got my hands full running Curse of Strahd 5e.

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>>51173849
>>51173877
What do you think of Fluffy2.0?

>>51173965
Without fins to feet you can't frogtie her or spreadeagle her on the cot, silly anon.

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>>51174030
Did someone say Shelyn?

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>>51173965
B-because, anon, this is an evil campaign and I'd probably be pinned down and lewded by the paladin before anything else happened!!!!!

Coincidentally, here is the picture I'm considering using simply because I have no other merfolk pictures... help.

>>51173980
Because everyone here is so tired of 10 PB Core Only.

>>51174041
Lord of Legends/10

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>>51174039
>If you want something more reasonable, go play a 5e game.

There's a middle ground between "5e" and "lol gestalt with all DSP and SoP allowed and a pack of free feats!"

It's called 1pp + Forrest + Jolly.

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>>51174044
Don't force your waifu to change who she is, Anon!

>>51174077
I'm a man of simple tastes, and she's gotta be able to indulge them.

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>>51174062

You're a Murdermaid, you're supposed to be the one calling the shots! Get your slender stomach and fat tits up against the hunk's back and start teasing him to tears!

>>51174099

>Murdermaid

I think you mean Murmaider

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=whxehyRH8Ec

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>>51173980
What I don't like about gestalt+DSP+SoP is that if you're not some kind of initiator+cheesed out spherecaster, you might as well go home.

Especially with such a low level start...

So, what exactly is a Hell's Vengeance, pfg?

>>51173980
Because "ceiling" doesn't mean you have to always optimize all the way to it. It's the same reason why people who play wizards aren't immediately banned; just because you CAN, doesn't mean you SHOULD. If you do, you're a blight on the system and part of the problem; if you're just playing Wizard to get weird spells or play with a thematic list rather than "haste/teleport/glitterdust/color spray/simulacrum/blood money", then there isn't anything wrong with it.

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>>51174137
Wizards in a game starting from level 1 aren't all that hot.

Especially when Blood Money and Sacred Geometry are banned anyway, and you can be some retarded initiator|spherecaster monstrosity.

>>51173880
>https://app.roll20.net/lfg/listing/66405/giantslayer
>current idea
>Daemon-Spawn
>Raging Cannibal/True Primitive
>Tattooed Sorcerer
>Cacodaemon Familiar
>Man in Chains/Mad Dog

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>>51174070
>>51174129
As one of the people who likes to say that's the thing he wants to use with feat tax rules enabled, even I'm sick of you. Don't ruin a perfectly good set of chargen rules by turning them into another one of your shitty "BUT WHY DOES PFG DO IT THIIIIS WAAAAY" bitchfits.

Either run what you want or wait for a game with rules you like to show up. Don't bitch about every game every time you don't like the chargen.

>>51174134

Shitty EEEVIL adventure path for Pathfinder

>>51174150
Incanter 1/Sphere Arcanist 2||ZS Warder 3.

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>>51174154
>gestalt with all DSP and Spheres and free feats
>perfectly good set of chargen rules
Yeah, if you like running Exalted 2e in Pathfinder.

>>51174163
not that ebil

You just go around doing the dirty work of ebil guvmunt

>>51174163
Oh. So a Paramour class chocolate elf probably wouldn't be a good fit?

>>51174196
I-I was gonna do a choco elb...

>>51174163
>>51174194
Sounds 'interesting'?

>>51174184

>lewdgames

>touhous

I thought that was precisely what people in this thread wanted out of Pathfinder.

>>51174150
I don't think you're understanding, shitposter-who-posts-cute-images-to-hide-themselves. I explained very clearly that "well you can do that!" doesn't mean you SHOULD do that, or that you'll get accepted if you do. Yes, you CAN delete two CR10 enemies by cheesing out with the build that 2hu posted a couple threads ago. You CAN also pick the strongest Wizard spells and run the game as what is effectively a secondary GM. But if you do try doing that, you'll almost certainly get either not chosen, or get dropped very quickly for ruining everyone else's fun.

>>51174154
Also what this guy said, just because you don't like the chargen rules doesn't mean you have to convince other people not to join; just ignore it and don't pay attention to it, oh wow so difficult.

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>>51174134
You play a bunch of maybe spunky evil PCs trying to stop a bunch of good NPCs. I've never played, but it sounds interesting.

>>51174184
>reading comprehension
>same bundle of images every time you do this

You being a pretentious twat and not even reading posts is not helping your case

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>>51174209
We could be brother and sister...

>>51173880
>Level 1 start
Yyyyikes, that's going to hurt. You think maybe level 2 instead, to get us out of the "1 greatsword and you're out" zone?

>>51174209
>>51174194
>>51174163
>>51174134

WARNING
WARNING

Hell's Vengeance sounds like a combat-heavy campaign centered around fighting for the glory of House Thrune. It is not. Hell's Vengeance is a covert ops subterfuge campaign with a tiny bit of combat near the end. It is not an armed revolution, it's old men (and their flexibility) running the world.

>>51174245
You could be the one using the greatsword!!!!

Anyone have screenshots of the Healer's Handbook and the new Qadira book?

>>51174232

It's funny because this guy autismragequit a pathfinder game recruitment when he got told he was too autismal to play.

The GM told me they nearly gave up the idea of recruiting online as soon as they saw that dude and 2hufag come in.

>>51174241
Who would be who?
And would there be incestual teasing?

>>51174247
Well, thank you for that warning.

>>51174241

I'd be your big brother, anon!

Big, strong and protective - a little slow and easily tricked, but that's why you're there to tell me what to do~!

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>>51174218
>But if you do try doing that, you'll almost certainly get either not chosen, or get dropped very quickly for ruining everyone else's fun.
Then why does the GM even make the chargen that strong?

>>51174247
There's plenty of combat...

It's not all covert ops at all, the first 2 books feature little covert ops stuff

>>51174278

Increases the number of autistic applicants.

Scares off "I'M NEW" fags.

Encourages people to make lewd characters to give themselves a non-optimization edge over other applying character profiles.

>>51174268
Calling bullshit on this story.

>>51174270
W-well, I was intending for my Paramour to be male from the get go. I guess that'd make me the onii-chan.

That's kinda the Paramour's thing, sort of.

>>51174271
Three choco elb siblings walk into an adventure...

Is Destined a fun Bloodrager bloodline? It sounds fun.

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>>51174300
>Increases the number of autistic applicants.
This is a good thing why?

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>The PCs run afoul of a merfolk bounty hunter
>He's not used to being on land but that won't stop him from catching his quarry
>Being a coelacanth merman, he can spread his scale oil all over the place to make slick traps
>Also, he's got friends in the sky for when things get rough

>>51174281

You lie, it's nothing like you expect it to be. It's all thuggery and being the sneaky secret police.

>>51174312
>Three choco elb siblings walk into an adventure...

That little girl is going to get a LOT of love from her two brothers!

>>51174324
It's fun.

>>51174312
Hmmmm...
Now, the question is, would a big slow brother need a quick witted younger brother to keep him on task and make sure the little sister isn't too mean to him, or would a bit of a bratty sister fit better?

>>51174325

Autists are desperate and easy to trick into ERP, dude.

>>51174278
To make more interesting or thematic characters not suck so hard, not so that you just powergame on top of the freebies.

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>>51174278
Because there are people who don't want to go full autism, you dumb fuck. We have this conversation EVERY FUCKING TIME. People find the rulesets fun, and they don't have to work as hard for them to be "good". This means they put in less work for optimization, unless they want to optimize for some absurdly niche, silly thing (like fighting with a bladed scarf or something) that's flavorful.

A ZS/OD warder who is a bland beatstick using a clearly roundabout way to deal a gorrillion damage every other turn usually does not have an interesting character attached to it. It also makes that player look like a piece of steaming shit. Like you.

>>51174352

>Big slow oldest bro
>Bratty, slutty middle sister with nimble fingers
>Clever little sister with a silver tongue and magic

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>>51174351
Cool. Is Power Attack and Raging Vitality still rad as hell?

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>>51174058
Stop poisoning the minds of the youth with your rites of supplication! A mere Mesmerist can matchmake just as well! What's so special about your precious 'goddess?'

>>51174373
I mean, I play a qt choco rogue in one of my 5e games, so I'm well suited for it.

>>51174383
She's Literally Best Girl.

Athetits need to leave.

>>51174278
Because "I am a spherecaster" doesn't automatically mean "I'm an Incanter 1/Sorcerer 1/Wizard 1/Elementalist 17 for full destruction cheese"?

Because "I'm an initiator" doesn't automatically mean "I'm a ZweiSent OrdDef 4/Brutal Slayer 1 with Broken Blade, Shattered Mirror, Primal Fury, and a custom 2d6 19-20 monk weapon"?

Are you seriously so autistic and stupid that you HAVE to assume everyone is going to go full-cheese when given open-ended rules?

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>>51174372
>A ZS/OD warder who is a bland beatstick using a clearly roundabout way to deal a gorrillion damage every other turn usually does not have an interesting character attached to it.
This is 100% Stormwind Fallacy and it's never been true, not even in any /pfg/ game.

I mean, shit, even the real 2hu's wizard had like the longest backstory in Molthune.

>>51174432

Excessively long

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>>51174432
>>51174461
Autists just put the most effort into both build and backstory.

>>51174352
Depends. Are you offering to be the bratty sister? Cause I'm kinda dead set on playing a male.

>>51174373
Please don't assign me the slow and dumb traits. ;_;

>>51174432
>longest
>implying length = quality

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>>51174432
Anon, "usually" does not mean "never". "Interesting" can also mean any number of things, and 2hu having the longest backstory didn't make his character interesting in the slightest. The level of optimization being pointed at is also NOT the level I've seen any applicants for games go to. Seriously. Point me at someone (that isn't 2hu) who has ACTUALLY gone to the mindnumbing levels of optimization the PoW/SoP bitching always whines about.

>>51174470
I would be overjoyed to play a bratty, slutty choco elb.
Who secretly wants to be tied up with her own whip and used

Is there any reason not to ever be an archer if you're a martial? Mechanically speaking it seems to be strictly superior

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Why does /pfg/ obsess so much over backstories with these character apps?

The best games I've ever played, whether with my friends or some online pick-up-group with randos, has had characters with literally one or two sentence backstories. We had some great times, intense roleplaying, and some epic ambitions from our characters. Not even in the "beer and pretzels" way, but legit in-depth roleplaying.

Meanwhile, /pfg/ is so autistic over backstories as if they're the be-all end-all.

Why? Is it because they're the only way to judge a character in the "round up 30-40 applications" stage?

>>51174522

I've gotta agree with this.

It's more important to have a conversation about a character's backstory than have them work on a big complex backstory in a vacuum.

>>51174522
>I'm going to lose the optimization argument, so I'll start a new one and still sound smug about it

>>51174378
They're not really necessary since you can buff yourself with some spells, and if you go Primalist you can trade out a Bloodline Power for two Rage Powers which can take the place of those feats.

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>>51174461
>>51174476
>>51174502
It was an interesting character! Just not what tickled the GM's fancy.

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>>51174521
What's the best 1pp archer class?

>>51174522
>Why? Is it because they're the only way to judge a character in the "round up 30-40 applications" stage?
No, it's attempting to sway the DM by suggesting people with optimised characters will make for troublesome RP, and thus lower the chances of people with higher optimisational skills from getting in.

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>>51174545
Here's your (You).

>>51174522
I think it's supposed to show investment in your character. That way the GM knows this isn't just some throwaway page of stats that you're going to lose interest in and just sit there on your cellphone going "I attack whoever's attacking me, if no one's attacking me I attack whoever's attacking my closest ally. Tell me when it's my turn again."

>>51174522
Because that was the only thing we had to do for a game that had a 3 month delay before applications opened up, and that game also required the PCs to have a connection to a number of NPCs and a stake in the world. So for lack of anything better to do, anons pissed away time with character essays as a fun little exercise, which has caught on. Because it's fun.

It's fun to make character backstories. For some reason that caught on for other games.

>>51174562
Hunter if you want to mess with teamwork feats, Slayer or (weirdly enough) Fighter otherwise. Avoid the trap of Ranger, they're basically worse Fighters at this point. Paladins can also do well at the job, but they need to invest EVERYTHING into it since they normally are assumed to be going into melee.

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>>51174502
>>51174568
Since when did /pfg/ start drinking the Stormwind Kool-Aid and think optimizing means you don't give a shit about RP?

>>51174562
Best in what sense? Deals the most damage? Can do some stuff other than damage? It's probably going to be Archer Inquisitor.

>>51174562

I'd guess Zen Archer or Ranger?

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>>51174619
>not wanting to go full autism and break a system over our backs means we don't want to optimize ever

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>>51174580
>>51174591
Isn't a better way to accept players something like...

1. Invite everyone to Skype or Discord, interview them one by one.
2. Get to know them a little better, ask a little what they'd like to play, ask for a basic build idea and a basic backstory/motivation idea.
3. Keep talking to them, get to know them more.
4. Move on to the next applicant.

Wouldn't this let you be able to make more informed decisions on which players mesh better with you? It would also make sure players don't waste their time by hammering out long backstories and character sheets.

>>51174677
For some, sure. Others don't want to do that for GMing and prefer a "first impressions/nothing personal" take on choosing a party, and that's okay too.

>>51174677

That's how I do it, generally. It works very well, and almost every failed game I've ever had resulted because I was desperate for a fourth player and got lenient or accepted a friend of a successful applicant without proper vetting.

So for chocolate elf, is it just an elf that happens to be dark skinned or is it Drow?

>>51174757
Brown elves.
Drow tend to be a bit... unpleasant.

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I'm playing a Two-Handed Fighter, are there any classes/archetype that'd make for a good dip with it. Was thinking about Barbarian but I don't know if the few rounds I'd get from a dip would be worth it, so then I started thinking about dipping Inquisitor for the Will saves, Studied Target (Sanctified Slayer), Shake Effects/Detect Magic (Iconoclast), Wisdom to initiative, a few spells, and either +10ft movement from the Travel Domain or +1 all saves from Protection.

Thoughts?

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>>51174700
It can't be much harder than reading through long backstories, thick character sheets, and answering rules/setting question after question.

So, what games are people playing over the weekend?

>>51174677
>>51174785
You know what I prefer? I prefer playing with people I already got to know beforehand, who all know eachother, and who can all sit down and agree on what they want to do. You know what DOESN'T happen often? That. Which is funny, since there's an entire IRC room now for people to discuss these games, and people haven't just gotten together in there to form a game instead of constantly making spectacles of the games.

In lieu of that, what's been happening has been fun. It's low-pressure and provides a fun workshop for people, even if they're not likely to get in.

>>51174461
>>51174476
>>51174502
>>51174556
I thought /pfg/'s agreement was 2hu's shota trap was kinda boring?

>>51174876

Totally boring.

Does he even put out? I played with that guy years ago, and he doesn't strike me as the type of guy who's fun to ERP with.

>>51174909
But Molthune wasn't even an ERP.

>>51174268
Which game? R20 nick?

>>51174928
>implying that matters

>>51174928
>Implying it wasn't gonna happen anyway
I sure as hell was gonna probe the other players to see if they were interested in out-of-game shenanigans.

>>51174825
I have plenty of great friends into this stuff, but they all pester me to DM because I DMed some very good games for them. And it's hard to get them playing pathfinder again when we could be playing something else - it'd be wrong for me to inflict pathfinder on a friend who doesn't want to DM it.

Also /pfg/ is the only place who seems like they'd allow hi-op initiators which I really want to try.

>>51174932

Some gamefinder game. I joined within 30 minutes of it being posted, but 2hu and a guy with that picture as their discord avatar were already in there.

I got a private invite in PM, but I don't think anyone else did.

>>51174970
The hell is this about? Storytime?

>>51173849
Seems like it will live or die based on who Eagle picks as his characters. It has the probably not so strange problem of the players making more lore than the DM, since Eagle is doing very little, but some of the apps are quite cute and the game can probably ride along just on the players wanting to fuck each other.

>>51174928
>>51174909
>>51174876
If the campaign wasn't for ERP and the character was not erp-attractive, isn't that a net neutral point?

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>>51175009
The problem was that 2hu had a boring character.

So while I've had my own apprehensions about pathfinder without ever playing it before it seems I may find myself in a group soon enough.

it seems like it will be fairly vanilla and from what little I've gleaned from the people playing the setting will have things like muskets and flintlock pistols and there will be at least a gunslinger, maybe a cavalier, a barbarian and a helper DMPC of some sort.

That said, I think I want to try using a Witch so what are some general ideas for making an effective witch with I believe just the core book.

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>>51173937
I once ran a game for a Sun Elf Evoker with the Admixture subschool when the APG came out.

He was able to generate light when the Plane of Shadow leaked onto the Prime.
He one-shotted an ogre with a Scorching Ray and the Critical Hit Deck
He burned the Rogue's shadow away she got better.
When he wasn't burning creation, he taught at the university in not!Athens.

Pic semi related.

I have a hardon for dragons being arrogant and prideful over most humanoids. I have even more of a hardon of dragons showing fear in the face of a "hero". Or the word hero in and of itself being more than just a moniker, but a specific title with criteria to be earned.

Arrogant monsters showing fear is the best.

>>51174970
>guy with that picture as their discord avatar
You do realize that doesn't necessary mean they are the same person.

>>51174432
>I mean, shit, even the real 2hu's wizard had like the longest backstory in Molthune.
I think DHB's was longer. Also much more interesting.

>>51175080
Those dragons will fear you when you've got their human form chained up and their shapeshifting suppressed, and they're open to play with.

>>51175050
>>51175098
DHB never made an attempt at comfy, 2hu at least tried for hope and optimism.

A question about gestalt. You pick to classes and get both feats and the better values...but then, can you multiclass, and have that new class tied to a different class?

Taking it 1pp, I'll assume this means Paizo only, is there any good reason not to go wizard cleric 3, then Mystic Theurg Swashbuckler for 10 levels?

>>51175061
Witch, Gunslinger, and Cavalier are in the Advanced Player's Guide so I doubt it's core only. Mind trying to get some clarifications on that?

Even with that in mind, a witch is going to be incredibly useful in a party of four characters, especially with a Gunslinger, Barbarian, and a Cavalier in there, three classes that are really only good at dealing damage.

>>51175103
If your doing anything but either killing the dragon, or torturing it to find out the location of its hoard, and you were in my party, I would likely end up killing you for consorting with a dragon.

I have Oath against Wyrmkind for a fucking reason.

>>51175111
DHB was pretty comfy. Big families are comfy.

>>51175133
You sound like a real fun guy to play with.

>>51175126
Maybe oracle sorcerer is better.

>>51175126
Wizard uses intelligence, cleric uses wisdom, and swashbuckler needs constitution, charisma, strength, and dexterity. That gestalt needs all six stats.

Is it worth buying the pathfinder humblebundle? or do I just download the PDF's from somewhere like the D&D 5e general MEGA trove?

>>51175152
And you sound a fucking disgusting dragon sympathizer.

>>51175126
Nah. The different sides of a gestalt multiclass separately.

>>51175171
What does that mean?

>>51175160
You can only cast one spell per round. Two full casters are redundant. Try something like Oracle Paladin, or Empyreal Sorcerer with any Full BAB class.

>>51175167
Dragons are for breeding, anon.
Not for slaying (most of the time)

>>51175164
Both a Wizard and Cleric also need Con.

>>51175165
A lot of it is just comic books. If you want to read the Pathfinder adventures of Red Sonja and Hercules and the Goblin King, go for it.

>>51175192
It's people like you that made us invent the Oath against Wyrmkind.

>>51175127

For some reason I thought they were mainbook. Goes to show how intimately familiar with the game I am.

Then again I just remember he said he was fine with offical material so no third party stuff which dissapointed me because I wanted to try out a soul knife which is DSP.

As you can see, I've been leaning on pfsrd quit a bit for the bulk of my information.

>>51175126
You only get normal feat progression

>>51175191
Wouldn't it give you enough slots to rather freely use quicken spell?

>>51175126
Combo prestige classes count as 2 for gestalt builds, so might as well just keep doing divine/arcane and not bother with mystic theurge.

>>51175193
Oh, so you still need all six stats. Try gestalting something that shares key stats.

>>51175165
Look at the OP and see if you can't find a good starting point towards not giving paizo any cash.

>>51175214
When I'm getting cozy with a dragon waifu, you'll be getting roasted alive and eaten.
Have fun with that, my dude.

This is a dumb question: what is the main difference between pathfinder and d&d? Are the mechanics more or less the same?

>>51175255
Depends on which edition of D&D. Pathfinder is D&D 3.5 with some house rules. 3.5 is closer to PF than it is to any other edition of D&D.

>>51174970
Which picture, the one with a smug girl drinking tea?

>>51175050
Maybe a little overdamatic at places but it wasn't that bad.

>>51175147
>fucking every woman in sight is comfy
Maybe in an ERP game.

>>51175279
>Maybe a little overdamatic at places but it wasn't that bad.
If it wasn't that bad then why is the /pfg/ consensus that it's bad?

>>51175217
Witch is a perfectly fine class.
http://zenithgames.blogspot.com/2012/11/the-comprehensive-pathfinder-guides.html
Try looking at the guides here.

>>51175231
Quicken Spell is +4 to spell level. You can't even use it until 8th level. Even then, you'd still get more utility out of one thing that does combat well and one thing that does out of combat well.

So Battle Oracle||Sorcerer might work, yes.

>>51175232
Anything that adds spellcasting levels? Or mainly Theurg and Evangelist type Prc?

>>51175050

Why is Ahri trying to bite her tail? I thought she had multiple tails, too!

>>51175292
Because taking "consensus" from an anonymous board is not a very bright idea?

>>51175292
It wasn't a consensus, it was one shitposter trying to make himself look better. He also holds the uniquely-awful position to be the only person actually removed from a /pfg/ game's forum-posts due to being a shithead.

>>51175288
>apparently having a wife and kids is "fucking every woman in sight".

>>51175346

How many wives did he have, or lovers that happened to get pregnant?

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Dragon GM! Dragon GM! Come out of the woodworks, I summon you!
Come out of the magic bong smoke, I summon you!
Come out of the dragongirl brothel, I summon you!

Are you planning to fluff out the Demesne more before applications close? Or are you going to use the accepted applications to fluff out the Demesne? Do you want to just crowdsource your NPCs to us?

And does anyone have good art of Gold Dragons?

>>51175298
So, combat skill monkey combo? I sort of figured this existed solely for defeating extremely tough groups of enemies.

Where is the fix to the Vigilante (Warlock) in?

>>51175389
Legendary Vigilantes for some talents, and Legendary Villains: Vigilantes for the actual fix feat(s). There's a guide for this shit in the zenith games repository that has everything laid out.

>>51175317
>>51175339
What's the story behind this guy and 2hu's backstory?

>>51175387
Not exactly. Gestalt is in general for expanding the flexibility of characters, not necessarily the power. A ZS Warder is already going to be dealing with combat very easily, so it's better to tack on something that's a skill monkey, or has the miscellaneous problem solving skills of a wizard, rather than just something that shits out more damage.

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>>51175434
>Gestalt is in general for expanding the flexibility of characters, not necessarily the power
Tell that to active|passive optimization.

>>51175463
>not taking standard actions is passive

Should a party of two players be able to handle Dragon's Demand just fine? They'e both got 25 point buy, one is an Incanter focused on Creation and Enhancement while the other is a Winter Wolf. I'm still going to give them full exp, except it's split between the two instead of four players. Should go good, right?

>>51175463
>having something to do on your turn is optimization

>>51175416
Witchunter anon, because that's what he was called by most (among things like "shitface", "retard" and similar) was a special kind of autist who couldn't let go the fact that 2hu still applies to /pfg/ games. He was a lying, conniving, truth-twisting asshole who waved EhnJolly's name like some kind of banner, among other things. Not that 2hu is spotless but Witchunter was the kind of guy who was worse than the thing he was hunting. I think he also hated DepressedHomebrewer and IDrive for some reason.

>>51175463
>mfw the entirity of my gestalting is just boosting my stat spread to a 49 point buy so I can be a Paladin of Paddalin'

>>51175572
Elaborate

>>51175434
I see. Figured it was about the combat power, as role playing to your limitations is interesting.
That aside, these spellslots should give plenty of out of combat utility.

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Hello Anons, the guy working on the remake of the Armorist here.

Once again probing your brains if there are any idea for Arsenal tricks you think should be either fixed or added.

>>51175559
>Not that 2hu is spotless

Of course, he ruins games with min-maxing.

>>51175583
Synth Summoner, dumped str and dex during my 35 point buy, then used my Eidolon's scores.

>>51175609
Well for one, 35pb what the fuck
And I meant more on the Paddlin Paladin front

>>51175354
Two wives, one deceased, one current.
One women between wives he tried to marry.
One slave.
One coworker that may or may not be his kid.

>>51175619
that was actually a typo, meant 25

And to be honest, I'm still working out the paladin half of things. Currently just Vengeance Paladin, except my feats basically got eaten up with Power Attack and getting Augment Summoning in case I have my eidolon down. The paladin side doesn't do much yet.

Sorry if I disappointed

>>51175619

>he doesn't play 50 PB

shamefuru

Does anyone else here feel bad when your character is so much better than another person's? My party's bloodrager chose to go TWF, and I get a bit guilty whenever they deal 15 damage on a full attack when my Slayer deal 50.

>>51175708
Let me clarify further.
The Paddlin part?

>>51175720
MULTI 20s BOIS

Does anyone have the maps that come with the humble bundle?

>>51175747
You don't spank girls to teach them the error of their ways?

>inb4 science says that doesn't actually work

>>51175780
That's what I thought you meant.
Put that skill to use at all, then? I imagine if you've got a pair of masterwork manacles and a set of fetters, all the female bandit leaders look forward to the day you pay their encampment a visit.

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>think Rakshasa are cool as heck, decide to play a Beastbrood as my next PC
>no idea what class to play

>>51175593
Is there a way for an Armorist to share his weapon enchante to allies and/or their weapons?

It's kinda tricky thinking of a way to help, what is the "Iconic" idea/theme this class is going for. Looking at the class, it feels like the main idea is to be a buffer.

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>>51175811
>>51175747
I imagine he's just gonna be this guy. But in paladin armour.

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>>51175827
Dandy Ranger.

>>51175827
That is a charr.

>>51175842
wrong gender

So what's 1pp and SoP and DSP and PoW mean?

>>51175855
You're my hero, anon.

>>51175856
1pp is First Party Publisher, which is only Paizo. If Paizo licenses another company to make Pathfinder material that would be Second Party Publishing. If there are other companies making material for Pathfinder that's Third Party Publishing, or 3pp.

SoP is Spheres of Power, which is the third party publisher Drop Dead Studio's content, an alternate casting system.
PoW is Path of War, made by DSP, Dreamscarred Press, another third party publisher. It's a system of combat based off of 3.5's Tome of Battle.

>>51175853
The artist called it a Rakshasa but I guess it could pass for a Charr.

>>51175840
Well, without spoiling much, I have plans to make that a built in class feature, rather than an arsenal trick.

I also have other arsenal tricks planned for support, such as being able to "pas" the bond with your bound weapons temporarily to other people and the like

Am I a bad person for making a Gingerbread Witch/Cabalist Vigilante?

>>51175879
Here's to hoping that I get in

>>51176012
Armorist trick to share your armour training with anyone using armour you summoned.

>>51176083
What game?

>>51173880
GMT+8 @ 3 in the morning?!

fuck

>>51176130
Why? Going to make a CN rogue girl?

>>51176152
... Maybe... (tilde)

>>51176084
That's a good one!

So, Hell's Vengeance people, what're y'all thinking of making?

>>51176234
I was one of the choco elb anons, but my potential siblings seem to have disappeared.
Probably better to save that for a game with more than 4 slots though.

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>>51176134
Seconding this, can't it be an earlier (or later) time slot?

>>51176234

Gingerbread witch/Cabalist Vigilante

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Could someone stat me up a FSM portfolio/weapons/domains please?

>>51176273
It says 2pm EST for me; but Roll20 accounts for that automatically, doesn't it?

>>51175926
m8, the second party is the client or customer.

>>51176250
I'm making my elf sometime in the morning. Just have to go to work first and think up his backstory.

>>51176358
Can't it be an evening game in EST?

>>51176384
It's not up to me, I'm just one of the prospective players.

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>>51176234
Still thinking about it, honestly. Trying to think of a fun evil character has proved much harder than expected. Offhand I was thinking Hunter||Brutal Slayer/Bushi Stalker, but... Well...

>tiefling memes

>>51176172
>>51176152
Are you going to tell me which game?

>>51176362
I'm a consumer who doesn't publish anything, so no, I'm not a second party publisher. Go look up Rare or Game Freak and you'll see they're the second party; licensed by the first party but a separate entity.

>>51176406
Anon, isn't there only one gestalt game?

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How weird would it be to fluff Sphere Stuff as Ki stuff?

>>51176464
Uh, no actually.
I think Dragon, RotJR, Pendragon, and the new one are all gestalt.

>>51176451
No, the second party in an arrangement. First party is the provider. Second is the reciever. Third is an external source. Licensed or not doesnt change what party you are. 3pp are 'licensed' to make pf content by the ogl.

>>51173880
Hmm... I've never really done gestalt before, some digging got me the rules but I'm still unsure.

Plus, seeing it in /pfg/ makes me wonder if expectations are high for those who apply.

Had thoughts of a Inquisitor/bolt ace, something easy for somebody new to this sort of thing.

Or perhaps it is not recommended I jump in as somebody rather new to this part of /tg/? I've been playing pathfinder for years, only thing here that I haven't looked into is SoP. Or perhaps this is a thing anybody can jump in and test their luck?

>>51176557
Oh what? RotJR still has like two full 24 hour days till Sunday.

>>51176506
ah, my apologies then

Dragon

>>51176012
Nifty.
Have any build paths planned for it?
Similar to how Rangers get combat styles and PoW Zealots have Missions?

>>51176642
Have you entered it yet?
I didn't see anything I'd call a 'Paddlin Paladin', unless you mean Orin.

>>51175186
It means you start counting the two "halves".

Like, if you've got Fighter 2 Kineticist 1 // Wizard 3, you add up the statlines on each side to see what's the "better" you will use between the two.

You need to mark the levels each was what appropriately as well if there's going to be any changes to skill and hitdie values, as they only apply to the appropriate levels (if you take A level of rogue on one side and a level of bard on the other, you get 8+, and that 6+ is "lost")

So staggering and choosing carefully become even more important.

>>51176519
That's stupid for two reasons. One, because 3pps are still providing a product to consumers. By your reasoning there is nothing distinguishing DSP and Paizo.
Two, because if there exist 1pps and 3pps then there exist 2pps, and there are. Yes, 3pps can publish freely, but they are not a subsidiary of the 1pp, that being Paizo. I don't know the details of any TTRPG companies, so I'm using video game companies as an example, and here's one.

Sony is a First Party Publisher. It puts out the PlayStation and games for the PlayStation.
Naughty Dog is a Second Party Publisher. It is a subsidiary of Sony, and it publishes games for the PlayStation.
Square Enix is a Third Party Publisher. It is not owned by Sony, and it publishes games for both the PlayStation and other consoles.

>>51176700
My entry isn't as meme as I made it out to be anonymously, since I doubt I'd get in if I was just out to spank girls into reformation and give them nice wholesome jobs at the party brothel. I just fully intend to do that.

Aisha

>>51176469
Not very
Spell points could be fluffed as ki points and it works pretty well.

>>51176723
Then by that logic, which party is the consumer?

>>51176803
End user.
nth party, as it were.

>>51176469
Spheres is specifically designed to be fluff agnostic. You could fluff it as arcane, divine, ki, psychic power, whatever.

>>51176803
Us.
>implying any of us actually buy books

>>51176821
Then they're not involved in the contract at all, which they have to be.

We may be arguing from different angles here.

>>51176839
We dont have to buy books. The ogl doesnt allow people to charge for the rules. We can enter into the ogl without cost.

>>51176848
I'm actually a separate anon from the one you've been speaking with. I'm just saying that by my understanding, in a purchasing system involving licensed goods, the consumer (us) is the end user.

>>51173980
I'm with you, brother.

>>51176886
Parties involved in a contract still need to be defined.

At its basic form, the contract is between you and paizo. That by default makes you two the first and second parties.

The fact that you're the first two involved in the contract means that anyone referenced after is a third party.

>>51176955
But they'd be separate contracts.

>>51176670
In terms of build paths, I guess it depends on how you want your dude to be

The remake will still be compatable with most archetypes, so there's that, further the new arsenal tricks will have anything from magical ammunition, to being a living toolbox.

The thing about the Armorist I plan on implementing is the emphasis on "versatility", being the guy with just the right tool for the job, and basically being a living toolbox of magic and murder.

Whether this means you will try to spend your arsenal feats on combat feats, sharing weapons, or utility is up to you.

Now, unless you take the trait for it, you still need to have good Wis, however most of the abilities are stat agnostic, so whether you want to focus more on casting or combat is up to you.

Really, in terms of design I guess its best to say I'm trying to reach for and emulate the Aegis in terms of class and build versitility, though at worst with both its casting and ability to use arsenal tricks to get feats wit might be around as competant as an optimized WMH/AMH Fighter.

Does that answer your question? Sadly I myself have a hard time putting it into words, since currently the armorist has no singular set "build paths", as his gimmick I'm trying to develop is "versiility through gear and magic"

>>51176976
Yeah, the other company would be the second party to paizo in THEIR contract.

And then who the first party would be upon sale of that product would depend on who's writing the contract.

But within the context of the FIRST contract, the second company is a third party.

>>51177039
But when I buy something from DSP I have nothing to do with Paizo. I can buy from DSP without ever having anything to do with Paizo. So why is DSP a third party to my contract between me and DSP?

In addition to that, why is DSP involved in my contract with Paizo? What say do they have in me buying from Paizo? My dealing with Paizo and my dealing with DSP are two totally separate things.

What is the situation in which Paizo, myself, and DSP are all entering a single contract?

>>51176273
It's showing up as an 11 AM Tuesday for me; Westcoast Bestcoast!

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>>51176234
Fighter (Weapon Master) || Medic (Sanguinist), with eventual hopes to get a +1 Aptitude Scythe! That way my scythe will automatically scale as if it were a Greater Unarmed Strike, and my lifeleeching powers activate with scythecuts!
Not sure what the race will be; probably either an Eiremian or a Human. A NE Urgathoan farmer-gal with a country accent, some words of wisdom, and expert knowledge on the human, animal, and undead anatomy!

Is this what we're going to be reduced to after RotJR selections are made? Superautists arguing about the pedantry of modern parlance? Just kill me now.

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Hey guys, what are your plans for the weekend? Are you ready for the end of the trend that started so many months ago?

Or has Rise of the Jade Regent become old n' busted in the face of newer, tighter games.

>>51177004
Yeah, that kinda answered my question.
I thought Armorist was like make knight in terms of mental score dependency.

>>51177199
Type like mad because I'm still not done with this shitty backstory that in all likelihood will go to waste.

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>>51177179

>Urgathoan
>Goddess of hedonism and mindless pleasure
>Country girl
>Knows all about the workings of an animal's body

NO
STOP

AT LEAST CHOOSE LAMASHTU.

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>>51177211

>Writing up a backstory

Ooh! Ooh! Tell us! Tell us!

>>51177190
Obviously someone else should make a new ROTJR.

What's a good gestalt with Croupier for a new player?
Asking for dragongame app, so 25PB and all that jazz.

If I can't play a Paladin, would a Mesmerist with Psychosomatic Surge be able to take its place in an Oradin build?

>>51177253
It's not really a compatible pick.

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>>51177235
But that would be TOO SOON!

>played Pathfinder and a few other tabletops for a couple of years, but new to DMing
>Three of my friends expressed a lot of interest in wanting to learn how to play; all three are completely new to tabletop
>Offered to set up a campaign for them on roll20
>Quickly realize how much work is involved

Are there any module recommendations that I should try? Any general advice?

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>>51173860

My character did.

They were both girls

>>51177309

That sounds a little fishy.

>>51177285
Why, because it's not a full BAB class?

Would the Cult Master be better for swift action healing Touch Treatment?

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Don't hide it from me, /pfg/

Tell me about your characters' backstory

>>51177304
I highly recommend starting with 5e. Easier to run, easier to learn, easier to play.

>>51177304
Why not try the Pact Stone Pyramid?

>>51177309
RotJR GM, is that you?

>>51177341
4e is kinda like 3e's training wheels.
5e is definitely like PF + training wheels.

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>>51177216
She's more than just that, silly! She's also the goddess of disease, gluttony, and undeath! Countrygirl's dad was a necromancer who kept on raising the cows and horses to keep plowin' the fields, and gathered up villagers' diseases to heal them (as well as use them for later, more nebulously-nefarious purposes). Plus, everyone loves having a surplus of food for the winter. Way I see it, a gal that prays to Erastil in the summer and Urgathoa in the winter makes perfect sense!

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>>51177340
I'm not even sure which character to build right now, but the two I'm already playing are relatively normal people. Well, for MAGICLAND anyway.

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>>51177354

Nope.

>>51177338

Pic related.

>>51177340
He's an idealistic Bard. He'd rather daydream of the imaginary perfection than settle for the imperfect realities of life.

Hence why he specializes in illusions - calling it more than just paltry magic tricks, he calls it his works of art. He also squanders his art to visualize his perfect waifu every night, only to cry and be frustrated because he can't seem to grasp 'true perfection' in a waifu.

gm put us in a maze
all the doors are mimics
we need to find an urn
all the urns are mimics
help

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>>51177385
>Way I see it, a gal that prays to Erastil in the summer and Urgathoa in the winter makes perfect sense!

That's the talk of a girl that enjoys shoving a few too many lemon cakes in her maw! You're supposed to worship Erastil for a mild winter, not Urgathoa so you can get lazy in the cold!

Besides, you don't want to raise cows after they die, that milk's going to be sour and full of pus.

>>51177461
This is why 10 ft. poles should be mandatory in every adventurer's inventory.

Any adventurer without a 10ft pole is either willfully reckless, incredibly stupid or a rookie.

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>>51177469
That's why they should raise dogs instead.
The advantage of dog's milk is that when it goes off, it tastes exactly the same as when it's fresh.

>>51177385
>. Plus, everyone loves having a surplus of food for the winter.
Urgathoans would not have a surplus store of anything. Their whole belief is based around instant gratification, prurient pleasures, constantly gorging your fat face all the time, and slothfulness. Urgathoa is all about using undeath as a means to partying forever and doing nothing but feeding into your selfish desire.

Urgathoanism is completely antithetical to both Erastil, and a agrigarian lifestyle

If you want a good harvest and bumper crop, and for good food stores to last the winter, you either pray to Erastil, Abadar, Gozreh, or any of the appropriate minor gods and empyreal lords. Hell, the Green Mother and Lammashtu are even better choices for a farm culture than Urgathoa. Daikitsu is also an excellent choice if the community has a Tian influence

Plus, using a cow for necromancy is wasteful, when it can be cut up and stored for food in the larder, the bones ground to chicken meal, hooves used to make glue, and horns for drunking honrs and tools. Plus most farm animals tend to not react well at all to undead being present

citation: someone who currently lives on a ranch, and who's sister is currently doing an internship working with a wagyu beef ranching operation

>>51177554
Yeah, cows are a lot more use to us alive then eaten, than zombified.

>>51177469
>>51177554
She's a pretty shitty Urgathoan, all things considered. At the very least though, I like the concept, and that's what's important!

>>51177339
>Why, because it's not a full BAB class?
No, because you need to spend a standard action to reset the implanted trick every time. The cult master route is a much better alternative.

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>no qt dragon maid cohort

>>51177597
It might be better to look into other deities with the perview of undeath in their portfolio, if you sill wanna go that route.
Mostly to find a deity not as focused on decadence as her.

Cyth-Visug might be kinda cool for it, since his deal is undeath and fungus and things

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>>51177627

>tfw no high-rolled Tiefling shrine maiden Oracle

>>51177627
Avowed Betrothed dragon pact

>>51177627
Oh right, I should pick up that show along with KonoSuba 2 and Granblu

>>51177610
So how many levels of Oracle should I take? Starting at level 8, 25 PB.

>>51177669
Stop making me regret putting up the dragon princess and not her hapless husband with Betrothed, goshdarnit!

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>>51177702

HOLY SHIT WAIT

KONOSUBA 2?

>>51175367

I will add more stuff sooner or later. just not at the moment as i am not well. Though if you guys have good suggestions i'll gladly steal them and erase the watermark.

>>51177719
But wouldn't it be cool if you both use your breath shape to make an "X" pattern on the battlefield?

>>51177719

But anon, we should all have something to regret!

I know I do!

>>51177627
I saw the opening for that anime. And it looked kinda cool.

Then she turned into a human.

>>51177727
Yeah, crunchy roll really pushed it. It had Facebook adds out the ass.

>>51177234
>>51177234
Mines is pretty stupid/bland.

Sardonic mystic* who nearly got blamed for the fire that destroyed half the town because he nearly killed some thugs that were trying to extort money from the family business. His name was eventually cleared, but he burnt a lot of bridges during the investigation by hiding his hurt behind a veil of smug cynicism. Despises his hometown, but can't seem to completely sever ties with it no matter how hard he tries.


Mechanically not a Mystic, fluff wise he's trying to perfect and study a new form of Ki manipulation that he developed and I can't really think of a word to describe that.

>>51177748
I posted it just before betrothed was released. And it'd feel a bit skeezy if I asked to replace apps this late.

>>51177777
That class is a gross waste of the word mystic anyway.

And is it just me, or are there no FCBs for Mesmerist?

>>51177784
Just yanking your chain man. Your stuck in the "I really wish I had this supplement before Building the character" withdrawal.

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Let's be honest with ourselves, lads.

Who is the smuggest character for Rise of the Jade Regent?

>>51177730
Did you like the Boarding House idea?

Also, get well. Things are getting too lewd without you.

TOO LEWD I SAY

>>51177822
The old crow lady.

The smugness of an old lady combined with the smugness of crows. And crows are even more smug than other birds.

Animegirls simply can't compete.

>>51177822
Mine if/when I post him probably.,maybe.

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>>51177829

>Things are getting too lewd

Oh I've got an idea, it's an establishment called "The Menagerie."

Where all the greatest beasts, monsters and exotic creatures of Golarion are sent for patrons to view and "enjoy."

>>51176234
Tattooed sorcerer -> bloatmage/something

I'm gonna be a nudist and just a orb of tattoos.

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>>51177937

>Orb of tattoos

What?

Why not just go totally nude and have most of your body tattooed? Hell, if they're intricate enough people won't even notice the details of your bits until they're right up close.

>>51177929
>making the monster fucking so easy as to be boring
Fool! Monsters are supposed to be flavor of the week based on the quests we're doing!

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>>51178000

That's the point, you big dumbie! The Menagerie is currently empty, and through the efforts of intrepid monster hunters (who might "sample" the product before sending it in) will fill it up with all sorts of wonderful beasties!

>>51178035
TOO LEWD I SAY

BEGONE, THIS IS FOR BEING HEROES AND SAVING EXOTIC GIRLS TO BRING BACK

>>51178068
Why not bring back exotic girls AND exotic monsters? Not my fault they have to share the same cage since we're remodeling.

>>51178078
either nut up or shut up you fucking lewdite and submit that on the NPC page

>>51178107

I'm going to suggest it *and* my character (a professional monster hunter!) Depending on what happens with Rise of the Jade Regent!

>>51177703
You get one life link per oracle level, so you typically want as many oracle levels as you have allies (usually 3).

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>>51178078
LAMASHTU GET OUT

THIS ENTIRE THREAD MUST BE PURGED

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>>51178157

Hey hey, hey!

It's only Lamashtu if you let the filthy beast finish inside.

What's a good deity for a character who hates witches?

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Ok, I usually have no problems with some cute- or fetishposting and engage in it myself but this is fucked up. Bestiality is not fun.

>>51177641
Mostly I want the scythe stuff!

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>>51178195
Witchcraft? That strikes me as distinctly UNLAWFUL-GOOD and in need of some HARSH SMITING!

>>51178195
define "hate"
Are we talking distrustful of their kind, or full on "purge the witch magic war now"

I'm swapping characters and my DM is letting me play a trox although a bit neutered(no large and no grabbing). I built him as an armored hulk going into beast totem line. Party consists of wizard, gunslinger and an inq. I also have a warder which I made previously. Considering my current party would my warder be more ideal or the barb? Warder has primal fury. Scarlet throne and riven hourglass as main disciplines. Wat do?

>>51178279
weak b8

>>51178279

Fucking minotaurs and werewolves is a time-honored adventurer tradition.

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>>51178170
>>51178279
>>51178315

>>51178289
Closer to purge than distrustful, but not 100% full smite.

>>51178315
For whom? Also, those are at least humanoid.

>>51178299
PLS RESPOND

>>51178281
>Mostly I want the scythe stuff!
Well, try going here: http://archivesofnethys.com/DeitiesByGroup.aspx
And ctrl+f for "scythe" and possible "sickle" and you might find something you like.

If I recall, there is a Hero-God of that Not!Greece place, Kelksiomides, who is all about agriculture and uses a sickle.

Bharnoral is also good for farm communities as well

>>51178378
>For whom?
/tg/ in general. Have you not been here long? Because fucking monsters and aliens, and other wierd shit has been a time-honored tradition of this board since circa 2009

Hell, there was once a time, long ago, when /tg/ was sometimes known as /d/-lite. That was until Nazimod and later the hoards of newfags threw a hissyfit and demanded /tg/ be made their safe zone

>>51178378

For the high-con whores that are into that sort of thing - I'll admit it's not for every character, but ooh boy when a character's up for it things get heavy.

>At least they're humanoid

Yeah, which makes me realize the only non-humanoid monsters I'd actually want to see are centaurs and dragons, both of which aren't in the business of being thrown into pens.