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>>51167754
My most recent Elf was a Cleric of Desna.
Before that, was an Elven Sandman (Bard) in a Dragon Age / PF campaign.

In previous editions, there was the Drow Cleric of Eilistraee, and the Elven Fighter who was going to become a Bladesinger.

I haven't been following Elves in Golarion.

I am making a monk designed to grapple and pin cute things. What are my best options for limiting the opponents actions on their turn so I can guarantee that I can pin them on the turn after I grapple them?

>chocolate elf shota trap
Behold. The trifecta!

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>>51167873
Why not just get Greater Grapple and then pin them on the same turn?

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>writing a murder mystery campaign
>Speak with Dead is a third-level spell for Knowledge or Repose divine casters
>Problem solved, series over
All I can think of is making SWD give literal Magic 8-Ball answers, because level 1 PCs would probably just go ask an NPC with that spell and banning divine casters doesn't seem right. Wat do?

>>51167906
Because you can't pin unless you are maintaining a grapple, which doesn't happen until your next round no matter what.

I have improve, greater, and rapid grappeler, as well as dimensional agility to use with abundant step. I also have a CMB and CMD that a cutie will never resist.

>>51167946
Speak with dead necessitates the body or at least the head be in some kind of intact condition.

Just mash the skull and speak with dead doesn't work.

Considering joining the Pendragon game.

Here is the real question. Which of these should I go for?

>Gunsmoke Mystic
>Fiendbound Marauder/Ordained Defender Warder
>Brutal Slayer/Bushi Stalker

>>51167946
Have the soul be unavailable to be spoken with for some reason.

>>51167946
The dead don't actually know who killed them

>>51167946
needs a working jawbone. Taking the jaw and later raising the target as an undead are great ways to keep Resurrection and speak with dead from working.

>>51167946

>Speak with Dead
>"Hey, who killed you?"
>"Dunno, didn't see them."

>>51167946
Speak with dead both needs the body to be in tact and the murdered to know who killed them. Someone wearing a mask or if the murdered didn't see anything the information is useless.

>>51167946
>The corpse's knowledge is limited to what it knew during life, including the languages it spoke. Answers are brief, cryptic, or repetitive, especially if the creature would have opposed you in life.
>f the dead creature's alignment was different from yours, the corpse gets a Will save to resist the spell as if it were alive. If successful, the corpse can refuse to answer your questions or attempt to deceive you, using Bluff. The soul can only speak about what it knew in life. It cannot answer any questions that pertain to events that occurred after its death.
>SCREAMING AND LYING SPIRITS AHOY
>PROBLEM ARISING, SERIES GETS A NEW SEASON

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For anybody that missed it last night, here's the details that were provided on Starfinder from yesterday's Paizo stream.

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What is your favorite spell, /pfg/? Not necessarily the most useful one, but the one you like the most.

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>>51167946
>http://www.d20pfsrd.com/magic/all-spells/s/speak-with-dead

>You grant the semblance of life to a corpse, allowing it to answer questions. You may ask one question per two caster levels. The corpse's knowledge is limited to what it knew during life, including the languages it spoke. Answers are brief, cryptic, or repetitive, especially if the creature would have opposed you in life.

>If the dead creature's alignment was different from yours, the corpse gets a Will save to resist the spell as if it were alive. If successful, the corpse can refuse to answer your questions or attempt to deceive you, using Bluff. The soul can only speak about what it knew in life. It cannot answer any questions that pertain to events that occurred after its death.

>If the corpse has been subject to speak with dead within the past week, the new spell fails. You can cast this spell on a corpse that has been deceased for any amount of time, but the body must be mostly intact to be able to respond. A damaged corpse may be able to give partial answers or partially correct answers, but it must at least have a mouth in order to speak at all. This spell does not affect a corpse that has been turned into an undead creature.

The corpse might not have seen the murderer, he may not want to answer (especially if its a different alignment), and the murderer could have removed its tongue.

>>51167946
Why would they necessarily know/remember who killed them? Odds are they didn't even see the killer's face.

>>51168024
Fabricate because I hate myself.

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>>51167948
>you can't pin unless you are maintaining a grapple, which doesn't happen until your next round no matter what
since when? Greater Grapple reduces the action to maintain a grapple to a move action. Thus, you can initiate a grapple as a standard, and maintain (which lets you damage, move or pin) as a move.

>>51167963
>>51167975
>>51167995
The victim was murdered by blood choke so the killer could resurrect her as his corpse bride. He literally went out of his way to ensure that the body wouldn't be damaged. The alternative I thought of was post-mortem magical tattoos on the corpse to prevent soul communication, but I don't think that's an actual spell outside of DM fiat.

>>51167946
>Pathfinder
>something other than dungeon/hex crawl

Found your problem. If you want to run a murder mystery, you're better off using a game suited for solving mysteries.

>>51168050
>corpse bride
Tim Burton, get out of here!

>>51168040
You don't get to "maintain" a grapple until it is called for. You can't just maintain one if you feel like it.

>>51168019
>Mechanic
Sold!

>>51168050
Have it so the guy didn't show his face when he did it. A mask would work.

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Can Mediums work out as casters or are they doomed to channel Champion and go into melee?

>Crafting focused Medium
>Divine and arcane spells for items ahoy

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>>51168019

Not going to lie, I'm liking what I'm hearing about this stuff for the most part. I really hope it turns out well.

>>51168060
Because my group is too stubborn/busy to learn a system that doesn't suck. "Have you not tried playing D&D?" doesn't work with them.

>>51168123
Then ditch them.

>>51167754

The first iteration of my favorite character to play was a Grey Elf Spellsword in 3.5e. I played him up as your stereotypical casual, harmless racist.
He said insensitive, dismissive things about the other races; he praised the fighter for being skilled, despite being a half-breed; and just generally doing casually insensitive things. In addition, he was direct, foot-in-mouth, and probably partially autistic now that I think of it. He was fun to play.

Now, I mostly GM, but my current iteration of the character is a Half-Elf. I use him as a decently important NPC from time to time.

>>51168073
go back and read greater grapple again. It specifically says you can make two grapple checks a round.

>>51168050
>Soul Bind (9th level cleric / wizard)
>There's no spirit to ask questions

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The book of Artifacts & Legends has neat rituals to destroy each artifact.

Help me come up with a ritual to destroy this lesser artifact from The Midnight Mirror module

>>51168123
Still though, the issue here is there are many ways one can obscure the information. The women both needs to see who killed her, be able to describe him accurately (or name him if she recognized him), have an intact head, have an available soul, and be dead for less than a week old.

>>51168182
you initiate a grapple on the first round. There is nothing to maintain.

>>51168213
Considering she was ambushed and strangled from behind, she wouldn't get a look at the killer. That's actually a good suggestion, thanks anon(s).

>>51168257
Yeah, then she knows she was strangled, but anyone who could make a heal check would know. The only information she could give is what she was doing before she was strangled and the fact it was hands vs a garrote (which also could be gleaned with a heal check).

Really you don't get any more information from speak with dead in this case except clarification on what she was doing up until the time of death.

>>51168243
Sure there is. As a move action, you strengthen the grapple you just initiated. You just don't get the +5 bonus until subsequent rounds. Hell, with Rapid Grappler you can do it a total of three times in a round.

Should a paladin/synth summoner take feats for augment summoning and evolution points, or weapon specialization? Assume the eidolon is going to be fighting with a big magic sword not infinite tentacles

>>51168340
Read: http://paizo.com/threads/rzs2szz4&page=2?Grapple-pin-and-tied-in-one-round

And anyways: lets say it doesnt' mater. For some reason I can't pin them on the first round, what can I do to ensure the cutie doesn't escape so I can pin them on the second?

>>51168388
That thread refers to the Unchained action economy, which is a variant rule system. Even then, it only says you must spend at least one action to maintain the grapple each round, not that you can't spend more actions to grapple them harder.

That said, to minimize the chances of them escaping, you want a high CMD. If they try to escape, it's vs your CMD. If they manage to escape, they have to either 5-foot step (which won't get them far) or make a move action, which lets you trip them as an AoO and spoil their movement. If they want to try and move without provoking, they can attempt to use acrobatics, but again, this is vs. your CMD.

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>>51167754
Aquatic.

>>51168465
Thanks! I'm thinking that the cuties might be spellcasters. Are there any special steps I should take to ensure they can't escape bullying?

Friendly reminder that muscles are NOT cute and no self-respecting boy should have them!

>>51168526
Prompto is cute as fuck you liar.

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>>51168526
Never talk to me or my swim team ever again.

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>>51168019
>Hellknights are still around

Oh shit yeah.

Building a Paladin/Bloodrager for the ROTJR.

Character is a female demon-blooded Tiefling, descended from Succubutts, but only wants to purge all evil from the face of Golarion.

Does an abyssal bloodline work here?

I'm not sure what bloodline to use.

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>>51168526
Friendly reminder that you're a faggot

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>>51168526
>no self-respecting boy should have them!
That's fine, 'cause I'm no boy
I'm a man!

>>51168582
>descended from Succubutts
Don't fucking do this. Descend from something interesting.

Or heck, do one of the other routes to becoming a tiefling instead of having an ancestor mate with a fiend. Fucking NO ONE ever has the fiendish taint come from a deal with a demon.

Fucking christ.

>>51168523
Just grappling is probably enough. Grappled creatures can't cast -any- spells with somatic components, even with a concentration check. And verbal-only spells still receive a concentration check. Grabbing Style might be worth looking into if you need to grapple two at once, or require a free hand or whatnot.

In all of these scenarios, having reach would be tremendously useful.

>>51168582
I'd recommend Destined Bloodrager because your saves aren't high enough yet.

>>51168619
I had an idea that the character was a crusader transformed into a tiefling by a treacherous Glabrezu, but it seemed a little....

Mary Sue?

IDK.

>>51168660
Seems fine.

>>51168700
Would an angelic bloodline be too much?

>>51168549
Could just be like the Necromongers from Riddick, but more interested in space-law and warfare. Probably still tied to Asmodeus as well. Huge gothic style battleships like 40k. I'm excite.

>>51168545
Prompto is cute, but Gladio is best boy.
He's just so photogenic
No! You can't catch me gay thoughts!

>>51168616

Men are pigs, why would you possibly want to be a man?

Question for all y'all.
There's a wall of force. Players are standing adjacent to it. Can a wizard on the other side of the wall then cast, say, acid pit under the wall and drop them into it?

>>51168582

Anon here >>51168619 is just butthurt you're making an attractive character, I think a demon-blooded is just fine!

Ooh, what if you went Paladin/Lunar Oracle? Remember there is a huge colony of succubus-descended fiends on the moon that, every New Moon, descend onto Golarion to reap and reave. You might be the daughter of one such half-fiend, and as a result you have an odd connection to the moon and heavens (Heavens Mystery is pretty good, too.)

>>51168915

If it's a conjuration spell, and he's conjuring a pit of acid beneath them, I'd say yes. Unless there's specific ruling that says you can't cast through it.

Something like a cone or ray or line, however, would not be able to pass through the wall of force.

>>51168939
No I'm angry about "descended from succubus". I don't care if he is attractive. Succubus heritage is cancer.

>>51168963
>Breath weapons and spells cannot pass through a wall of force in either direction, although dimension door, teleport, and similar effects can bypass the barrier.
Is the actual text. My first reason for why I thought it might be viable is that its casting UNDER the wall, not through it, and the second reason was that dimensional magic seemed to be an exception, and what's the Create Pit derivatives but just that?

>>51168972

Why? Succubi are the most likely to have kids with a mortal, or taint one with their fiendish essence.

You're butthurt about nothing, let it go.

>>51168972
That being said, considering the nature of succubutts, their tieflings should be the most common, other than maybe incubuses.

>>51168972
Why?

>>51168939
Lunar Oracle.....

I do fucking love that mystery, very tempting

>>51168915
No, you need line of effect and walls block it even if they're transparent force. Least as far as I recall.

>>51168992
>>51169105
Ah, under it kind of. My dm unfortunately ruled against being able to. Said something about needing line of effect to all squares affected. Couldn't tell if he just didn't want me doing it or was his genuine interpretation.

>>51169007
>>51169008
>>51169010
I'm gonna assume that it's because it's cliched and limits the character concept too much.

And really, it's kind of true that succubi are overdone--I've been pining for, just once, the evil manipulator to be a glabrezu tempting people with power instead of sex.

>>51169162
Not any of those anons but I love unusual bloodlines from tieflings. Progeny of the rape from other species. Harvester Devils, Glabrezu, Gelugons, etc

>>51169162

Then make one yourself or give solid reasons why that's better than succubus.

Don't just whine and insult people, bullying is not nice!

Here's the sheet I have so far for the Paladin/Bloodrager/Succubutt-Glabrezu person.

http://www.myth-weavers.com/sheet.html#id=1068226

Any thoughts on how to go from here?

>>51169162

What if she's descended from a Misogyny Demon?

>>51169010
>>51169008
>>51169007
Both the cliche and my previous experience with players any time any of them mention succubi

>>51169289

Personal experiences with something is a horrible way to base your opinion, it should be built on expert judgement and what the right and proper thing to do is.

>>51169289
I'm not any of those anons, but for curiosity's sake let's say that you had to make such a character yourself. How would you do it while avoiding all the traditional pitfalls?

>>51169225
Then she's gonna internalize that misogyny.

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>>51169162
I've actually made a Glabrezu-descended tiefling before. she was a buff alchemist type.

Decided on Glabrezu treachery/magic as my source of demon blood, for the Paladin.

That doesnt mean it can't be succubus blood.

Also considering making an Orc Alchemist, The Hulk sort of character.

Would that be welcome in ROTJR?

>>51169483

>Orc Alchemist
>Nerdy Orcish man that hulks out

Yes

YES

>>51169560
Maybe he turns normal human colors when hulking out.

>>51169483
Prestige into Master Chymist.

t 12th level, a monk of the four winds can use his ki to slow time or quicken his movements, depending on the observer. As a swift action, the monk can expend 6 ki points to gain three standard actions during his turn instead of just one. The monk can use these actions to do the following: take a melee attack action, use a skill, use an extraordinary ability, or take a move action. The monk cannot use these actions to cast spells or use spell-like abilities, and cannot combine them to take full-attack actions. Any move actions the monk makes this turn do not provoke attacks of opportunity. This ability replaces abundant step.

Think about this for next campaign. Any suggestions on how to make the most of it?

>>51169708
>A melee attack action

Vital Strike?

Is a player allowed to look at how much damage they did on their turn and go "I only want to deal this much, instead of ALL of that"? Mostly asking due to nonlethal. It seems like if I build a nonlethal character, I could quickly become incapable of NOT killing the poor schmucks I'm trying to disable, via just doing way too much nonlethal damage.

>>51169829
Nonlethal doesn't kill..

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My DM's giving me a choice between these two for alcohol rules:

http://www.d20pfsrd.com/gamemastering/afflictions/drugs/alcohol

http://www.d20pfsrd.com/extras/community-creations/murk-s-lab/drinking-rules

Which is better for a Drunken Brute(or Rager) Barbarian dip? The former nets me more rounds for certain while the latter gives me fewer although it gives me a boost to STR/CON after failing a save (after which I probably shouldn't drink more to avoid "Stage 2").

>>51169866
>If a creature's nonlethal damage is equal to his total maximum hit points (not his current hit points), all further nonlethal damage is treated as lethal damage. This does not apply to creatures with regeneration. Such creatures simply accrue additional nonlethal damage, increasing the amount of time they remain unconscious.
It can, if you deal 2*HP+Con.

>>51169866
See >>51169894
If a creature has 30 HP and I hit it with 80 nonlethal somehow, that poor sap is going to straight up die. This gets harder and harder down the line, but it's still something that makes me wonder how to go about this.

>>51169936
Then use other methods, like kraken style or something, to force enemies unconcious.

>>51169828
Slow time for 3 big hits sounds pretty cool

Who in Dragon game has the biggest boobs? Who' got the best booty?

>>51169936
If you're that concerned, there's Golden Legion's Stayed Blade.

It lets you adjust any damage you deal at all ever to only be able to reduce people to a stable -1

Also, you can make attacks in a full attack one at a time and just opt to not take the rest of them once you drop someone.

>>51169951
>>51170000
Can I seriously not just pull my punch/punches once I slap someone unconscious as a general rule? That seems like it'd be a really easy thing to do, but I guess this is pai-"you need four feats to scratch your ass"-zo.

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Who else is [HYPE] for RotJR apps closing this weekend?

>>51170038
You can stop hitting people once they're down. Unless you are doing 80 damage in 1 hit, then you just hit them with one or two of your iteratives.

If you're using fireball or something you can just lower the caster level.

would I be cancer if I asked to play one of DHB's home brew in a /pfg/ game? what about his initiator?Would I be underpowered compared to initiators?

>>51170044
I'm hype, but I'm also nervous as hell.

>>51170038
Just make your full attack one at a time, it's not that hard.

>>51170044
I'm more [HYPE] for CritiqueAnon to finish his backlog

>>51167754
My first elf was in a gestalt game, a Savage Technologist||Stalker, using a pistol in one hand and a flail in the other. She was the sheriff of the starting town!

>>51170044
I want the general to be free of this autism, so i'm pretty excited.

>>51169977

Culdranth on both accounts.

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Thinking about crossclassing gunslinger and kineticist. Any good feat recommendations? Maybe a archtype I can tie in on one of the classes?

>>51170044
I don't have much hope for getting in. I gave up a while ago.

>>51170038
Use your fist instead to limit your weapon dice. If you're fighting an enemy with that low health you can probably afford to not knock it out in one turn.

>>51170044

Still kinda butthurt nobody used any of that guy's art for their character, but I'm super hyped for Rise of the Jade Regent!

Who do you think will get in?

>>51167946
Make the dead person's alignment different from the caster; most NPCs would be True Neutral, and most divine casters would have SOME sort of Alignment component. Plus, just have the murderer attack them from behind or out of sight, and now the corpse doesn't know anything.

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>>51170130
Neverever anon. I might do one more breakdown to show people how to do it for themselves, but I've got too much other stuff on my plate.

>>51170074
Help. The last question is my biggest one.

>dearth of solid manly characters for fluffy2
>it's mentioned in thread
>overnight two proper brave manly types show up to show all the cutsey traps how it's done

That's more like it!

Is Ragechemist viable?

I'm wanting to put together this Hulk style Orc Alchemist for ROTJR, but I dunno if I should go all the way down that rabbit hole.

Also, what multiclass would go well with this?

>>51170038
>you need four feats to scratch your ass
Now I'm curious as to how that's the case. Is ass-scratching not free?

>>51170184

>Taldor, the Empire that conquered Avistan
>Their flag is a shitty green/blue with a crown and lion

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>>51170184
Does that mean that compare/contrast of Etan and Rubio you were working on is dead in the water? Because I was looking forward to that one.

Or is this the OTHER critiqueanon?

>>51170044

WHAT IS HYPE MAY NEVER DIE

BUT COMES BACK STRONGER, HYPER.

>>51170075
I'm nervous too anon, but we have to be strong!

>>51170130
I would be too, except that he's a bit too busy for it now.

>>51170150
Anything is possible anon, you just gotta believe.

>>51170164
Didn't seem right for my character, but I do like me some Blazbaros.

>who do you think will get in?
Some you'd expect, and some you wouldn't have. I wager we'll all be surprised.

>>51169162
Maybe a Maralith then? You'd have a focus of war, a talent with weapons, be a charismatic leader, and passionate about your goals... while also being descended from snake-ladies!

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>>51170238
Yeah, I've been working on it and it keeps coming out wrong. Sorry.

>>51169829
I wanna say there's a Slayer talent that lets you know. There's also Deathwatch.

>>51170074
>>51170189
>tfw keep asking
>never get an answer

>>51170305
It's been less than 20 minutes. Calm your tits.

>>51170301
Just checked, it's Blood Reader.

> While able to see a studied target, a slayer with this talent knows exactly how many hit points his opponent has remaining. This only works against living targets.

>>51170305
>>51170189
>>51170074
I've not actually looked at his initiator, got a link to it?
As for his other martials... in general, you'll be able to stand your ground with Alchemists or Vigilantes. You'll probably piss off Magi because you do their job better than them (IE Deal Damage), but your utility is still hampered because all you've got are bigger numbers on skills rather than doing something Actually Different (tm).

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>>51170291
Well, can't be helped. It was fun while it lasted, and hopefully things start going better for you in the meantime. Maybe someone else will take up the mantle, but I put that as being about as likely as me both having time and getting into RotJR

>>51170305
Nigga just keep asking. I've been asking questions about drinking rules and I haven't gotten an answer either. It happens, you just gotta wait.

>>51170345
UC fighter has some cool different stuff it can do. The AETs have some neat stuff like "make a sense motive check to figure out where a guy keeps his valuables".

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>>51170287
It's true, mariliths get jack shit compared to other demons. It's like nobody remembers ol' Kary

>>51170145
Ooof, you couldn't have chosen worse classes to blend.

If you want to use a gun AND be a kineticist, AND if you're limited to 1st-party, you'll want to play as a normal unarchetyped Kineticist and as soon as you can purchase a Conductive Musket (for range and damage) or Conductive Blunderbuss (for the amazing benefit of "your blast is now a cone"). Good elements for that would be Earth and Air since they're fairly reliable in damage and in utility talents; Fire is more iconic, but it's also much more easily resisted.

>>51170361

Bruh, Gil and Rubio are fun characters.

The DM is picking six people, I'm confident you'll be one of them!

>>51170443
Didn't say I was either. I'm just more worried about whether something will come up and force me to drop out than whether or not I'll get in.

>51170443
Can you take a look at Anathema Brightheart?

My paladin.

I could use some helpful criticism

>>51170074
>>51170189
>>51170305
Hey there friend. Out of combat is a big concern for the unchained fighter, for them it is addressed with Advanced Equipment Training.

I would generally classify the Advanced Equipment Trainings into a few categories. I'll list them out there:

>"Combat" abilities
Equipment Trick
Efficient Packing

These come up both in combat and out. So they're kind of the hybrid for the AETs.

>Skill + Thing
Locksmith
Master Blacksmith
Versatile Training
Man in Uniform
Soldier’s Assurance
Friends in Low Places
Battlefield Medic

Some of these are just pure skill boosters, while others add some unique stuff. Man in Uniform adds a fame mechanic like the celebrity bard, Friends in Low Places gives you money off services, etc.

>Unique Abilities
Long Haul
Forty Winks
Scrounger
Soldier’s Intuition
War Hero
Camp Builder
Fortification Expertise
Mercenary’s Intuition
Mend the Broken

These do a bunch of weird stuff, and while some of them may be based off skills (like mercenary's intuition) they don't give bonuses to skills.


As for comparison between you and an initiator I think the comparison is a difficult one. Initiation is very strong and versatile. The UC fighter is less "interactive" in combat due to not having counters/strikes/etc. However the new AWT and AAT mean your defenses will be very high, one of the design goals of the UC fighter (the defensive of the three broken shackles martials), and you have a but more to play with in combat (makes combat maneuvers easier and adds some extra stuff).

Hope that helps.

>>51170460

"Something" could come up for anybody, that's why the DM asks for availability.

You're nervous! That's normal! Anxiety is a common thing to feel when these sorts of decisions come up. You're going to do fine.

Which character is yours?

I need a 2nd class to go with my hulk-style Orc Alchemist.

He's starting at 20 strength, going to 24 in mutagen, and using enlarge person for another boost to 26. I want something that will capitalize on having bat shit crazy strength, in interesting ways other than smashing face.

>>51170044
I really need to finish my fucking character.

>>51170725

You've got tonight and tomorrow to really pump him or her out!

Is there any way we can help streamline the process?

>>51170690
Brutal Slayer Stalker.

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>>51170725
hop to it anon, time's running out!

>>51170741
I havent run POW yet, is it easy to learn?

>>51170739
Not really, I just really need to finish the backstory. I have the arc and stuff in my head it's just committing it all to paper. It's just that I know with almost certantity I won't get in so why even bother, you know?

>>51170772
It's a lot easier if you take it bit by bit. Don't even look at maneuvers yet, just figure out the class abilities that don't touch those. Then you can look into what disciplines and maneuvers you have.

>>51170795
will do

What does autism fighter look like physically?

http://pastebin.com/mcN9n7L9

How do you convey someone at these kinds of stats in description?

>>51168384
Anyone want to weigh in?

>>51170824

Nobody cares because autism fighter will never be in a game.

>>51170781
>It's just that I know with almost certantity I won't get in so why even bother, you know?

Don't say that! I'm sure your character has a story worth telling, and if you can sell that story to the DM you'll get in.

>>51170858
>Nobody cares because autism fighter will never be in a game.
I was gonna use him as a villain.

Is there something solid to gestalt with a wizard that wont make me seem like a minmaxer and isnt alchemist?

>>51170858
>I'm sure your character has a story worth telling, and if you can sell that story to the DM you'll get in.
Well there's just the trouble. I'm not really sure if I can really *sell* this.

>>51170210
Masculinity is overrated.

>>51170920
>I'm not really sure if I can really *sell* this.

Sell me the concept, right now.

Use pictures!

>>51170885
UC Rogue? Hidden Blade or otherwise. Maybe Slayer?

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>>51170921
Do you even pose, bro?

>>51170885
Investigator that gives up alchemy (Sleuth).

Gunslinger.

>>51170921

I find it funny how people say things like this, and then learn nothing when women gush over muscular men.

>>51170959
>gunslinger
>solid
>>51170885
No, because Gestalt pretty much unilaterally only benefits martial people unless you cheese something.

That being said Aegis is always nice.

>>51170935
>>51170959

Hmm. I like slayer. I could do something like that.

Does the vigilante archetypes use int at all?

>>51170982

I dont mind if it benefits martial classes. I just like wizards and witches.

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>>51170947
>JoJo
>masculine

>>51170982
You're half wizard. Basically anything you do will be solid enough.

I personally would say:

Wizard 5 -> Bloatmage 10 - > Brewkeeper 5
Gunslinger 5 -> Slueth Investigator 4 -> Sleepless Detective 4 -> Shadowdancer 1 -> Sleepless Detective 10

Being the gun tooting flying shadowying fat man of the night

>>51171027
>You're half wizard. Basically anything you do will be solid enough.
That's only really true if you go all out with a Wizard, which is pretty annoying/hard to actually put into practice.

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>>51171022
Yes, exactly. The most masculine. Just like glorious ancient Greece.

>guy applies to text only game
>app is filled with grammar errors
wow

>>51171154
>some people aren't English majors
STOP THE PRESSES!!!

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>>51168829
>Gladio
>implying best boy isn't Iris.

>>51171173
these aren't esoteric mistakes. This is "how I speak the english good?"

It's the new dragon game app, Ronald, that I'm talking about

>reconsidering my app for RotJR
>can only come up with depressing ideas for characters
>realize I only design either depressing or over detailed characters, or both
I don't think I'll ever be welcome in /pfg/'s games.

I'm thinking about maybe starting a roll20 game on tuesdays.

Would anyone join?

>>51171246
ME ME ME

pls

I just want to play pathfinder

>>51171231
At least you have the guts to apply. As a first timer I don't think anyone would want me in their game.

>>51171231

How depressing are we talking about, anon?

>>51171246

Totally would. Post it and open up some apps!

>>51171231

>Implying /pfg/ doesn't have its share of weirdos who get off on tragedy and depression

>>51171246
Probably. What's it about? Where's it set? How many players do you want? Is it lewd?

>>51171231
What's your idea anon? A little depressing is probably fine!

>>51171231
DHB please.

>>51171278
I'd probably be picking between carrion crown, rotrl, giantslayer, hell's vengeance, hell's rebels.

I prefer giantslayer.

4-5 players probably, might allow lewd

>>51171303
Couldn't hurt to set up a Roll20 page once you've got it all figured out, and see how many applications you get.

>>51170680
>Anxious about actually getting picked

Eh. No skin off my back if I don't make it. There'll be more chances after this, and even more after that. The availability thing is what bugs me, because I don't want to find out I applied for/got a job that expects me to work during the hours I thought I could put aside for a game.
Speaking of "nothing to lose", yea this was Etan's player.

>>51171246
Post a pitch for setting/plot, general time, and chargen rules, and maybe.

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>>51170977
I've given up on that. 2D is better anyway.

>party nearly die in the licktoad village
>have to jump off the walls and run into the marsh to escape the goblin arrows
level 1 is amazing

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>>51171399
JESUS
WEPT

>>51171399
Everyday we drift further from God's Light.

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>>51171177
>>51168829
>>51168545

Gladio - Sworn Protector (Warder)
Ignis - Polymath (Alchemist)
Prompto - Desperado

Cor - Brutal Slayer Bushi (Stalker)
Aranea - Warlord
Iris - Stalker

>>51167754
H-how could you have possibly found out about my chocolate addiction?!

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>>51171480
>>51171535

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>>51171535
Then we must find a god in the darkness.

>>51171573
Whenever I watch porn with very dark skinned women (often), I pretend they're drow.

I'm such a lewd mess.

>>51171399
>google image search
>from something called Sid story
>got magical girl powers to help slaves escape
>powers give her nightmares
>she's a Darkness type unit

>>51171631
>coalskins
Whoa whoa whoa, buddy.
Let's not get *too* crazy now.
Milk chocolate only, my man. Maybe coffee, but that's as far as I'll go.

>>51171463
>Get curb stomped by a hypnotoad wannabe from the Darklands
>Get downed by a bunch of gremlins as they die to laughing with a pierced lung
>Carry 7 corpses, 2 unconcious people and a staggered skald through a mold infested cave, into a pond and across the town to the temple through the market place at high noon

Level 1 is magical.

>>51171690
>Milk chocolate only, my man. Maybe coffee
Both of those things are still pretty fucking dark.

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>>51171631
I just checked Xvideos.

There's more movies for "dark elf" than there is for "drow."

>>51171690
I like my coffee cuban style.

Dark and THICC.

>>51171734
Milk Chocolate ranges up to the cappuccino/mocha levels, and the Coffee has to be tastefully brown.
It's a delicate balance.

>>51171748
Wait, I thought cuban style was embargo'd and full of child prostitutes?

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>>51171636
>dat spoiler

>>51171769
>>51171748
>>51171690
>they don't like their coffee the same way they like their women
>warm, white, weak and sweet.

>>51171784
>What is /pfg/'s understanding of Drow?

>>51171769
>Coffee has to be tastefully brown.
If you're a little bitch, maybe.

Like fuck who you want to fuck, but you take your Coffee black. Otherwise call it for what is, a desert drink.

>>51171741
Of course blue is the biggest slut.

>>51171806
Weak is very good. Sweet is also very good.

>>51171827
>he doesn't have a splash of milk with his coffee
Barbarians, the lot of you.

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So it begins...

The Giantslayer game has been created.


https://app.roll20.net/campaigns/details/1924700/giantslayer

>>51171806
Personally I like my women like I like my tea.
Chinese, aged, and with a long history involving opium addiction.

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>>51171846
>https://app.roll20.net/campaigns/details/1924700/giantslayer
>N O T A U T H O R I Z E D

>>51171846

Wrong link, you need the LFG one

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>>51171841
Oh there's a splash of milk, it just takes about an hour.

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>>51171846
>Not Authorized

>>51171871
you da bes

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>>51171885
>>51171862
>>51171868
https://app.roll20.net/join/1924700/9QQkOw

>>51171846
EVERY FUCKING TIME

Is this the giantslayer AP?

>>51171915
It is indeed the Giantslayer AP, see >>51171911

>>51171911
>1924700
Don't use the join link! Make the game LFG!

>>51171928
I would argue against it because Giantslayer is really bad. Good encounter design, bad everything else.

>>51171911
Not the joinlink, silly, just give a link to the LFG, so we can look without necessarily joining!

>>51171975
And you can't even play to the encounter design because you're doing it gestalt, which means you need to change all the encounters. You're basically shitting on the one good thing it has.

/pfg/, is grappling effective? How can you properly use it on a martial?

Can my spunky fighter girl be suited for grappling, or should I roll a brawler instead?

>>51171815
Well that would be whatever you can find from paheal.rule34 under the tag "drow"

>>51172011
If you do go that route, I hope you're prepared to Get potentially counter-grappled, pinned, and tied up

>tfw all I want is a slutty, provocative character applying for RotJR

Closest is Osanna and she's not even a whore anymore!

I think.

https://app.roll20.net/lfg/listing/66405/giantslayer

Ok, I'm removing everyone who already joined.

If you want to join, go through here.

>>51172011
Brawler. You get bonuses on manuevers over weapons in that and you don't have to drop what you are carrying to pin people

>>51172057
>trying to get your tiny pecker wet with help from anons
Sad.

>>51168019
While I thought the idea was a little dumb as a whole, the more I hear about this the more on board I become.

>>51172080
>Voice Only
Is that a mistake, oooorrrr...?

>>51172057
>...she's not even a whore anymore!
>I think.

There's only one way to find out anon.

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>>51171815
It depends on the campaign setting.

>http://pathfinder.wikia.com/wiki/Drow

They don't sound that much different than Faerun Drow.

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>>51172080
>Giantslayer
>level 1 start
>PoW/SoP, AND gestalt
>Voice

Ehhhhhhhhhhhhhh. Like an anon before said, you're dropping one of the biggest advantages of the AP, which was that it had premade encounter design down. You'll need so many changes that you might as well run something like Hell's Rebels. Unless you have some magical way to spice the campaign up so the plot becomes engaging.

>>51172143
>https://app.roll20.net/lfg/listing/66405/giantslayer

mistake

Voice if possible, but text otherwise.

>>51172161

>Giving your party members money for favors
>Ever

You deserve to hemorrhage money!

>>51172081
How do I build it 'properly', though, and will it be more effective than just one-punching people? I love the idea of just taking someone down, but I don't want to be a gimmicky dead weight.

>>51172041
Trust me anon I know the risks and I fully accept them

>>51172180
I removed Gestalt.

Voice isnt required.

I am planning on mixing books a bit, depending on what the players want.

>>51172180
>>51172143

Why do you guys hate Voice? Roleplaying is so much easier when you can voice!

>>51172239
No it's not.

>>51172239
>>51172248
Some people find it hard to vocally voice themselves in RP.

>>51172239
I don't hate voice, I just don't want to bother with voice in a game with /pfg/. Hell, with ANY strangers on the internet. Voice is for meatspace or games with friends.

also >voice in a game with lewd

>>51172235
The real question is, how long will your party let the bandits play with their tied up hostage before rescuing you ?

>>51172236
Ok cool. Just to warn you though, Gaintslayer's story is pretty dry.

Overall it is a pretty weak AP. I wish it wasn't because I love giants.

I can give you a personal rundown on good and bad APs.

>>51172239

Some people are shy! And easily intimidated!

>>51172239
I really just don't want to listen to anon's shitty mic while people/animals/children in the background make distracting noises.

I could also make the argument that anon doesn't sound like his [insert character here] and that it takes me out of the game, but for me personally it's only a slight problem.

>>51172214
Party members probably get a pretty decent discount, what with the sharing treasure and all.

>>51172239
My apartment is right next to a major road and homeless are around my apartment building. I don't want people to have to listen to a homeless man shout "I HATE NIGGERS" out in front of my apartment.

>>51172239
Most people arent actors, anon.

Nor is rping the opposite gender easy over voice. Doubly so if people are trying to lewd about.

>>51172307
I also have hell's V and R, rotrl, carrion crown

if people prefer those

>>51172235
You get improved grapple and the other feat that allows you to deal damage while grappling. You also want to be able to reposition and bull rush so you can get prime targets for a good old fashioned gang bang betwixt your party members. Disruptive is also good and any other anti-caster feats if you need to give that mean old wizard a good hug.

>>51172316

I'm a bigger bully in text than voice! I'd make you feel confident!

>>51172358
Any of those would be better, yeah.

>>51172358
Hell's Vengeance, RotRL, and Carrion Crown are all better in my opinion. RotRL particularly.

>>51172358
>I have

What, the books? You poor bastard.

>>51172236
Gestalt is less of an issue for me than having both PoW and SoP on the table, honestly, but to each his own.

I want to play a gestalt 1pp + Jolly + Forrest + other 3pp on case by case, no Initiating. But the wait for a game like that is excruciating.

>>51172358

Want me to send you other APs? I have all of them in PDF.

ALL OF THEM.

>>51172390

You can't beat obnoxious players upside the head with a PDF, anon.

>>51172414
I have the trove too.

I just prefer going from paper, myself.

>>51172425

How do you feel about undead from your players? Like this http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?353181-Dread-Necromancer-Pathfinder-update-(WIP)

Or other 3pp like the beguiler?

>>51172296
Thank you, I'll try my best!
>>51172374
I'm the only party member! Oh no!

>>51172418
Can't beat them upside the head over the internet either.

>>51172455
undead are a tool

An evil (usually) tool, but a tool.

>>51172358
RotRL or HV would be pretty cool to try!

>>51172397
Make one to convert people away from PoW you slut.

>>51172510

Oh you are so precious!

>>51172543
Ok then we're picking between HV, HR, or ROTRL


/pfg/ VOTE!

>>51172510
Little mixup there buddy.
And it sounds like you'll have quite a bit of fun with that build! (tilde)

>>51172564
Hell's Vengeance

Bring Gestalt Back.

I have a build ready.

I shall become war.

>>51172564
ROTRL

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>>51172552
Me personally, I'd like to see 1pp+Jolly/Forrest+SoP, I'd really like to start weening people off of PoW, especially with SoM on the horizon.

Ideally, the future of 3p games will be Jolly/Forest+SoM/P.

>>51172564

Hell's Rebels!

Let's go full SJW; no twists, no subversions, just trigger warnings and diversity as far as the eye can see!

>>51172570
Not really! It's Gestalt, so I can go whatever I darn well please. I just want to grab things and deal damage! I just didn't know what certain sides should be, so!

>>51172561
I think you're pretty cool too, anon!

>>51172236
>>51172358
>>51172564
If you're going to switch from giantslayer and are confident in your ability to tweak encounters, could probably get away with putting gestalt back on.

Also, a strawpoll would probably be better, but for the record Hell's Vengeance

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>>51172564
Why not set up a straw poll rather than this random jank voting?

>>51172599
Whatever you do, be sure to not take any ranks in escape artist.
Spunky cuties don't need to get out of bindings, it's just unnecessary.

>>51172604

Blake is a mangy c@ and her mother is hotter!

>>51172600
>>51172579
>>51172543
Are all these the people who didn't get into the last Hell's Vengance game?

>>51172627
Didn't want to be in the last HV game because it was lewd.

>>51172627
I didn't even apply to the last one!

>>51172620

>Solo campaign turns into a mindbreak endurance run with the girl gradually earning the bandit gang's trust, going from the gang's fucktoy to trusted leader

>>51172627

Im still going to apply!

>>51172584
>>51172579
>>51172588
>>51172600
>>51172604
http://www.strawpoll.me/12093871/r

>>51172687
I don't know about trusted leader, but she could probably get some pretty good treatment after enough loyal service.

>>51172564
Hell's Vengeance!
>>51172627
Was interested, but didn't apply due to time reasons.

>>51172687
>>51172713
G-gosh anons, you're so lewd.

>>51172713

She could get knocked up by the bandit leader and make him take responsibility!

>>51172760
>play spunky female grappler that by design needs to get real physical with her foes
>doesn't expect the lewd

>>51172783
How would they be able to tell whose kid it is?

>>51172798
They can keep trying until all of them have a kid that looks like them! Then all of them can take responsibility!

>>51172627
I was thinking of applying, but there was already a Futa Lamashtan and I wasn't sure about the time slot. I probably wouldn't make that if I do apply for this one, though.

A Calistrian, though...

>>51172041
Wouldn't have it any other way.

>>51172798
>>51172815

What if the bandit leader was an Orc? If the kid's got the tusks, then... Well, we know whose she is.

>>51172815
A team mom does command quite a bit of respect...
How swollen would her breasts get after that much hormonal change and constant breastfeeding?

>>51172873
A good point, anon.

>>51172868
Cute girls are for rope!
Or is it the other way around? I can't remember.

Hell's Vengeance confirmed and defined!
Gestalt allowed.
Text w/ voice if possible
https://app.roll20.net/campaigns/details/1924700/giantslayer

3pp allowed, Lewd allowed w/in reason.

>>51172892
Wrong link.

>>51172892
>https://app.roll20.net/campaigns/details/1924700/giantslayer
You did it again. You want the lfg link.

>>51172908
>https://app.roll20.net/campaigns/details/1924700/giantslayer
nope

I changed the title from Giantslayer.

>>51172924
>>51172914
>>51172908
I am literally a retard, holy shit.

https://app.roll20.net/lfg/listing/66405/giantslayer

>>51172815

But anon, there could be dozens of men in the gang!

>>51172687
I remember that doujin.

[Odd] Orc Musume wa Ikemen ga Osuki | Orc girls love handsome guys (COMIC Anthurium 2016-12) [English]

>>51172948
I agree, anon.

>>51172948
Anon, the link will still say giantslayer, but the actual campaign title is Hell's Vengeance. If the link thing bugs you, you'll just have to can it and make an entirely new lobby.

>>51172948
Why is Press To The Wall considered on the bad list?

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>>51171827
>taking coffee black

At that point you're only doing it for a caffeine high. There's nothing "manly" about choking down bitter viscous slime when you could take a little time to season to taste.

>>51172840
S T O P

>>51172948
Hooray!

Now, open up applications and suggest what you want to see in the applications! Want sheets? Want good backstories? Want promises from your players?

What time is your game going to be? How many players are going to be taken?

>>51172996
old meme where a PFS player actually made a thread bitching about how OP it was

>>51172948
Ooh, I might have my spunky grappler person!

What timezone is everyone?

What even IS Hell's Vengeance?

Some anon posted a list of free feats they gave their players each game. That included choices between skill focus / deific obedience and things like that, does anyone have the list per chance?

>>51173014

This, teens and tryhards insist you should drink black coffee, in the real world nobody fucking cares how much cream you put in your coffee.

>>51173021
Ooh, I might be able to have fun with your spunky grappler!

>>51173059

Everyone can have fun with the spunky grappler!

We'll put the "spunk" in spunky!

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>>51173014
But anon, I also intend to play something with an animal companion and make sure that companion can take Transformation for the Anthropomorphic Form!

Not really. At this point it's just me being a hardcore memelord, and realizing that I have yet to play a character without a dick. I also have yet to have any motivation to play a character without a dick.

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>>51169876
I'm starting to think my Two-Handed Fighter should dip in something like Sanctified Slayer instead of Barbarian. Or maybe I'll just go Barbarian after I hit 7 and say "fuck it" to alcohol...

>>51173055
>at work
>see my coworker put sugar and like 3 ounces of creamer into his mug, then pours his coffee
>next day tell HR he's creepy and probably a pedophile and he's let go from the company after they search his desk and find pictures of a little girl there.

>>51172948
I've never applied to a Roll20 game before! Where do I start?

FRIENDLY REMINDER THERE IS A STEROID DRUG THAT GIVES +4 STRENGTH.

>>51173082
Spunky grapplers are for lewd!

>>51173014
>here's nothing "manly" about choking down bitter viscous slime when you could take a little time to season to taste.
That's what adulthood is all about though.

>>51173150
Wow, haven't they ever heard of take your CP to work day?

>>51173082
>>51173208
You guys are my best buddies now.
I'd stuff a spunky grappler with you all any day.

>>51173224

Is that before or after penis inspection day?

I'd like to app for some of the D20 games, but honestly I don't even know how to go about Chargen. Like what books are needed, etc etc.

That's the issue with learning a new system, the initial chargen is overwhelming.

>>51173399
www.d20pfsrd.com/
That's the only book you need.

>>51172948
What is VOIP?

>>51173447
Voice-Over-IP. Internet voice chat.

I've never played a Barbarian before... may as well go for it! Brutal Pugilist, spunky bardbarian!

>>51173447
Voice Over IP

Voice chat programs like TeamSpeak3, Mumble, or Discord.

>>51173233

But there's three of you and only one of her!

>>51173492
You might have trouble raging with the onahole-induced exhaustion, love.

Can someone link me to the meme app with the fedora cleric with revolvers or whatever it was?

>>51173505
Perfect!

One for each opening

>>51173399
Start here.
http://www.d20pfsrd.com/basics-ability-scores/character-creation
Don't buy the dice. Use http://www.d20srd.org/extras/d20dicebag/ if you want to practice.

Use http://www.myth-weavers.com/ for character sheet creation.

Assume 25 point buy.

Carry on from there. I would suggest asking a friend for help - find some buddies from a gamefinder to walk you through the rest of the way.

>>51173571

>Assume 25 point buy

>>51173541

No! Stop! Lewd!

>>51173492

That said, barbarians *are* known for their toughness, she could take a couple hard ones to the face and keep going!

>>51173505
>>51173541
This anon already said it!

>>51173592
She'll take some hard ones alright.

>>51173509
+4 Constitution means she's always ready to go!

>>51173592
>>51173541
S-stop being lewd, anons, jeez...!!!

>>51173592
Oh, her face won't be the only place to take some hard ones, if you know what I mean.

>>51173571

>>51173578
Alternatively, roll 3d6 straight down the line. Please note your first character is for demonstration purposes only and you should create characters specifically for campaigns rather than changing a character to fit campaign rules.

>>51173509
I actually had a female barbarian once and someone tried to make her his fetish and wouldn't take no for an answer. The GM's policy on PvP was "let them sort it out". I ended up killing his character.

Apparently he had not realized I was a raging cannibal and never paid attention to my full attacks.

Rip and tear.

I took his gear too and sold it off. The player in question was buttmad enough that he left a few session later after having a second character get killed by me.

>>51173592
Get heart of the fields. Half your level as a bonus to profession courtesan, and the ability to ignore a fatigue/exhaust effect once a day!

Coincidentally, I have no idea what races would compliment a Bardbarian, and I don't know which ones are allowed.

I would go Merfolk but those might not be cute or fast enough. Anyone able to help me find some races with STR/CHA or CON/CHA bonuses? Maybe a Tiefling.

>>51173663
Rakshasa-born tiefling!