Infinity General - This is Outrageous! Edition

>>51164059

Was it a legal link team? what were the models you were using?

>>51164059
Like, two of the same starter? Boring, I'd imagine.

Also, with what little info you gave we can't tell what you might have done wrong.

>>51164059

And it is viable to start with 2 starter boxes, the imperial service starter and the wu ming box will give you 10 orders and 300 points.

You will have to check the army builder to see if you can have something similar in other armies.

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>>51163958
Are those smoke grenades or regular grenades on his pic?
Emily has been shown with Smoke grenades and she's supposedly PanO. But yeah, if PanO got reliable smoke, all bets would be off. They already got sort-of-a-warband in Krakot.

copy-paste from last thread for visibility
>>51164059
Two starters can work just fine, some anon swear by the combo of old+new starter box if you want to play Acontecimento. Normally though if you buy 2 starters you're committing to play a vanilla list, so no fireteams.

>someone can explain links to me
easier said than done buddy. Open the wiki and get reading, after that if you still have specific doubts you can ask us. Your tournament organizer probably had good reasons to give you a lose, try to understand what you did wrong (most likely you formed fireteams in a vanilla army)

>>51164132
Models from the steel phalanx starter set, and blister for machon dactylists.

>>51164142
From what I have seen people use multiple thorekites with chainrifles and it is impossible to get those outside of the starter box. The starter box also comes with only one agama and only two myrmidons.

>>51164206
Ah it's Steel Phalanx. They have faction specific link teams called Enomotarchos.
http://infinitythewiki.com/en/Fireteam:_Enomotarchos

>>51164158
I sure hope she doesn't get rules, at least not in PanO. The last thing we need is an autoinclude character.

>>51164206
You didn't try to link thorakitai and Machaon togheter, right? they have 2 different variants of the Enomotarchos rule.

As for second question, it's generally bad value to buy the same box twice because you end up with useless extra models anyway. Your better options are proxying the other models as your preferred loadouts or buy the models singularly through eBay or other box-splitting services.

>>51164231
Yeah, Smoke + MSV2 Spec Sergeant would be an obnoxious as fuck and stupidly cheap combo. And then there's the more elite MSV2 troops like Black Friar, Nisse or Aquila. And then there's the regular use of Smoke as cover for getting in position.

>>51164206
You would only be able to link eudoros and (or/ with) machaon and other myrmidons. Forming a link team with thorakites with the models you own would be impossible, unless you have nesaie / thrasymedes / hector to link them with.

And you don't need to own 3 actual thorakites with chain rifle in order to use them, that would be an expensive joke. As long as you can show your opponent that those are thorakites with chain rifles on your courtesy list it's fine.

>>51164170
>some anon swear by the combo of old+new starter box if you want to play Acontecimento
It's me and I stand by it. If I had the money and will to add Acontecimento to my armies, I'd definitely get both the old and the new starters. I was already considering because I like Tikbalang so much, but thankfully I don't have the money.

>>51164295
But the old Montesa looks awful next to the new one, not to mention the ugly old Akal.

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Picked up the Red Veil Box today and I I'm planning to go Haqqislam. The Al Fasid is super sexy. Any suggestions of standout models I should pick up next?

>>51164425
Hunzakut
Al Hawwa
Fiday
Saladin
Hafza

>>51164466
Thanks. I'll take a look.

>>51164425
Hunzakut LGL ( a sexy model and it's use her as the FO for an infiltrating camo specialist). Al Hawwa Hacker.

Saladin's also a stand out model because the Red Veil Haqqislam doesn't really have that many good Lt's. Khawarij is too aggressive without the durability to match. You wouldn't want to make the Zhayedan Lt because of his Vet skill. Ghulam Lt's are too boring.

>>51164158
>>51164231
>>51164276
Just give her Eclipse smoke.

>>51164425
The other Al Fasid because it also looks fucking awesome.
From a practical standpoint, for specialists the Hawwa hacker & Janissary doctor are excellent in both vanilla and Qapu Khalqi.

I walked through a door to a new dimension. And you can too, if you do enough Grade-5. You can go anywhere. You can do anything. Just give in.

>>51164678
Common side effects of Grade-5 administration include constipation, sedation, dizziness, nausea, vomiting, physical dependence, tolerance, respiratory depression, and violent tendencies.

Contact your doctor to see if Grade-5 is right for you.

>>51164158
Humo is smoke if I recall correctly, so it looks like she has smoke grenades.

>>51164273
I had machon the hacker and the eudoros in one. two snipers and 2 separate thorakites. the org told me that hackers can not be in links. I didn't even get a participation prize everyone else got. Am kind of a pissed about it, because it ment I paid for the trip and entry, and then had to wait for 5 hours till everyone finishs their games. And when everyone else got a blister and the end, I got nothing, but the store owner told me that I can buy a second starter set cheaper.

>>51164784
I am so sorry, your organizer is retarted. you used a totally legal link.

>>51164784
That's bullshit, dude. The cunt that disqualified you shouldn't ever be allowed in that position again.

>>51164784
That's not the dumbest shit I've ever heard, but it's up there. Hackers have never been disallowed from links at any point, you were completely in the right. The organiser needs to read the rules.

>>51164784
What an asshole
Was this in poland? Were there any suspiciously placed lamp posts?

>>51165033
Nah, the really fucked metas tend to be in Poland but idiotic tourney organisers are everywhere.

>>51164784
You're due a public apology. Hackers used to break out of the link if they did full-order supportware, but with HSN3 I'm not sure if that's still the case. However, they were never disallowed from links unless specifically written in the army list/builder (e.g. Order Sergeant hackers are Specialist Sergeants that cannot link)

>>51165109
Full-order skills can be dine within links now

And he is absolutely owed an apology, plus the blister and a consolation prize for being cheated out of a chance at winning

>>51164784
>I had machon the hacker and the eudoros in one. two snipers and 2 separate thorakites
Can you post a list? What was linked with what? Thorakitai need a Thorakitai character (Chandra/Nesaie-Alke/Thrasymedes) to link, and Machaon/Eudoros can only link with Myrmidons, not Thorakitai.

>>51164392
>>51164295
I wouldn't say the old Sikh is ugly -- I honestly quite like it -- but I would say that the designs are hilariously different to the point that they'd look a bit awkward together. At least the new box of Bagh Mari don't look too drastically different from the old sculpts, but Sikhs got basically a full redesign with those new jetpacks.

Also, maybe I'm just a filthy Bagh Mari fanboi, but I'd recommend the Regular blister to get 5 homeboys and then a fancy toy -- remotes, Guarda, or Tikbalang -- or getting the new Bagh Mari box. Since I bought into the faction a month or so before that or the new starter came out, I ended up just getting each of the old blisters and calling it a day.

>>51164784
I'm sorry but the TO was correct (if a bit harsh) none of the steel phalanx hackers are linkable

>>51165390
Myrmidon assault hacker

>>51165390
Myrmidons can be hackers bud

>>51165398
>>51165408
Ah my bad

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>characters from Ariadna are dogface and hacker girl
>not tomboyish introverted scout waifu
What were they thinking?

>>51165452
Because they already have one antisocial sniper, they don't need two.

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>>51165452
What, you mean your first thought of a character from Ariadna isn't a hacker? I mean, no-one has a better hacking specialist than USAriadna.

Albeit more literal hacking.

>>51165636
>weapon: doctor
Wasn't that the Trauma-Doc's specialty?

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>>51165452
I'm pretty sure the hacker girl is Nomad.

>>51164158
>>51165781

Infinity grills are cute. Cute!!

>>51165781
Drop bears and that CSU gun bag are PanO weapons, no? Although, IIRC, she's based on some Vietnamese girl who left an impression on the artist so IDFKA.

>>51165732
Only when dealing with allies. The 112 takes an aggressive stance on amputations.

>>51165820
>Drop bears and that CSU gun bag are PanO weapons, no?

Firstly the bag is obviously full of hacking shit. The Spanish next to it says bandolera somethingsomething hacker. There's even a joke with a winky face about wi-fi and it's projecting hacker holograms. So it's not a gun.

On the Drop Bears- Kaplan have Aleph combis & Pan-O Multi snipers; Druze have combis from Yu-Jing, Pan-O & Aleph, and Yu-Jing Spitfires. Armand has a Pan-O Multi sniper. Crazy Koalas are a Yu-Jing invention used primarily by the Nomads. Mercs can get their hands on gear from pretty much anywhere it seems, so I don't think the Drop-Bears are really a sign of anything.

>>51165987
What's wrong with her face?

>>51165987
Jesus fuck, that's an unflattering shading, I thought red skin shading died out with gen1 minis.

>>51165820
She's wearing a nomad comlog and has a nomad pistol, the bag is a hacking device not a gun

>>51166015
She stepped in Antipode poo

>>51166004
The model ain't bad but does she actually have some uses? Mono CCW but low CC and no way to reliably close distance, only CC skill is i-khol but that does nothing to increase kill chance and loses badly versus actually CC competent foes. Irregular. Squishy.

Yeah she has ODD and she's hard to dislosge once in suppression, but for 19 pts there are better optimized units (especially considering Sforza is only 6 points more but ridiculously superior)

>>51166541
To me it looks like someone just rolled random equipment on a bounty hunter and decided to make it a character.

>>51165987
>>51166004
>>51166020
The shading on the face is way too strong. The model would be alright with a slightly different paintjob. Her background is hilarious, though.

>>51166020
I liked the old model better.

>>51166541
She's all over the place really. Mono CCW with only CC18, and no MA. IKohl L1 only works on troopers with Wound values. So she's only a bit above average against non-STR non-CC focused targets in CC. So let's shoot them instead: ODD is great as always, but she's only got either a Combi Rifle or BSG with an average BS12.

Stealth is great for sneaking around. But I'd rather spend less for the generic ABH and gamble on the Booty roll, or pay a little extra for Sforza (if ISS) than take Miranda.

>>51166885
I legitimately thought that was the point. It's basically just a Super Duper version of the Authorized Bounty Hunter that's rolled multiple times on the Booty chart instead of the single roll that a normal one gets.

So she's someone who's picked up some Yar Har Booty over her career.
>L1 17: Monofil CC Weapon
>L2 5: Nanopulser
>L2 19: ODD
In addition, she's managed to trick the system into getting the joyously useless I-khol and a +4 CC buff that still fails to make her worthy engaging much of anything, unless you're using her as I generally use my 20ish pt CC specialists: meat torpedoes.

Okay, so I have a question regarding Leveled abilities.

I know that shit like Marksmanship, AD, Martial Arts and its clones and the like give you the access to all of the abilities under your own level -- So Marksmanship L2 still gives you Shock hits, and your Combat Jump guys can Airborn Infil instead -- but is this for every single numerically leveled ability?

Primarily, I'm talking about shit like Veteran and Sixth Sense.

>>51167309
Yes. As long as it doesn't have a letter in it it's fine.

>>51167309
Yes, SSL2 gets L1. Same with Veteran. But while Kinematika L2 gives you L1, the effects do not stack.

>>51167377
>>51167338
Gotcha, thanks.

>>51165033
It is Poland, but sorry I do not understand the lamp post thing. There was one in front of the store I think.
>>51165168
I had this
Machon as my Lt
Eudoros with mk12
Myrmidon Hacker
those formed a link.
An agama with a mk12
1 FO thorkiates
1 combi rifle thorikates
1 LGL thorikates my second "sniper".

>>51167654
>lamp post
did the tables have small sniper nests where you couldn't reach the sniper inside?
Also were you playing against a chechen and his sister?

>>51167654
Ah and the format was starter box+two blisters or one support box/one TAG. I even got smirked by the org for supposadly bringing achiles and patrokles to the event. When I do not even own those models.

>>51167699
Oh, I'm not the guy you're responding to but I remember that story and thread. Hilarious and horrifying.

>>51167654
perfectly legal fireteam see:
http://wiki.infinitythegame.com/en/List_of_Fireteams#Steel_Phalanx

>>51167699
0_o. I never seen a girl playing in our FLGS. Some sisters/girlfriends/moms, but non of them ever played. The buildings were tall, near the deployment zone and smaller in the middle. In fact middle had a ton of cover, but non of it was very tall. There were a few death corridors, but they weren't dominated the whole table. I don't remember any chechen snipers or their sisters nesting anywhere. If those are in dire foes, dire foes were excluded from the event as was Combined Army.

>>51167796
Ok I tell him that when we play, the next part of the event. I hope he at least gives me my cash back.

>>51167813
>as was Combined Army
Wait ... an entire faction was banned from play?

>>51167813
which city are you from? don't tell me that it was Białystok or did you play against the infamous cheater in warsaw?

>>51167654
Apparently there's an extremely shitty meta in Białystok, the telltale sign is random newbies complaining about store tables which have lampposts/guard towers (aka sniper heaven) modeled into the table.

And your Myrm link is legit. The Thorakitai weren't liked though, right?

>>51167813
>as was Combined Army
TO retardation confirmed.

>>51167813
Tell the TO that the internet thinks he's fucking stupid and he doesn't know shit about the game he's supposed to be managing tourneys for.

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>>51165812
Indeed they are.

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>>51165820
IIRC the text near the Drop Bear is a note to the artist that Uhahu's equipment should be this cute.

>>51167938
Thorekitai were not linked. I do not have alke or thrasymedes was baned because of dire foes.

>>51167916
yes. the org said they are a stupid factions, and that corvus belli is planing to remove them from the game anyway, so people shouldn't invest in to them.


>>51167938
I do not play in Bialystok, but it is not very far from me. I am from Elk. It is a bit like new jersy and new yoruk. And we generaly do not like each other.
>>51167957
I do not know, I know he has a PhD in art history, and knows a lot about weapons. He runs HEMA classes, he went to junior events till my brother broke his arm two years ago.
He also runs a nice club for table top gaming. But he just sometimes pick on people from understandable reasons. He also has a firm that makes recasts of models and sells them much cheaper then the originals. So people like him a lot in general.

>>51168326
is he recasting infinity too? If yes what are the prices?

>>51168326
>yes. the org said they are a stupid factions, and that corvus belli is planing to remove them from the game anyway, so people shouldn't invest in to them.
The org is a retard, as repeated multiple timed. CA isn't going anywhere. Considering the next expansion working title is "Acheron Falls", which refers to the Acheron Blockade currently blocking CA from getting reinforcements... A lot of stuff will die before CA is removed from the game.

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>>51168326
I have no response to this post except for this gif.

>>51168326
>Ełk
For non-Polish people: not a meme town like Białystok (there were several Infinity horror stories from the place after all), but recently entered public consciousness after a kebab bar cook fatally stabbed a Polish thief there.

Both are very small towns.

>>51168326
>waaah CA models are too hard for me to recast so I'll call them stupid and ban them
Mystery solved :^)

As for semi-related qualifications, an asshole is an asshole. He could be the best historian and martial artist and still know shit about organizing an event or cat-herding a community.

>>51168326
>I am from Elk. It is a bit like new jersy and new yoruk
Suddenly it all makes sense.

Sometimes I think half of the people here are polish.

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>>51168326
>the big bad of the setting will be removed

>>51168556
Poland is where the shit metas live.

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Makes me wonder, which Polish meta is the least shit? Warsaw is kurwaspam central and had that whole Xaos story. Białystok is being Białystok. Lublin is very small and the one time I went to a tournament there, the TO was a no-show and there were problems with terrain. Maybe Wrocław? From what I've heard in Wrocław the only NCA player runs a Bolt link, rather than Auxilia spam.

As for Xaos, he is still persona non grata in the larger community, but organizes his own private ITS tournaments just to farm points. Makes me wish each ITS would require a WarCor to confirm.

>>51168368
Not that anon, but I found some (supposedly good) recasters and few people cast Infinity, because it's not that cheap, fine detail can suffer, there's resin shit to clean, and if you bring recast minis to an event there's a good chance you'll be told to gtfo until you bring real stuff. So most Infinity casting going on is conversion bits, rare parts, etc.

>>51168440
Oh, shit, that's the place that Based Poles very literally REMOVED KEBAB? Fuck yeah.

>>51168686
Wroclaw is powergamer central, also the firs Infinity WAACer I met was from there. Maybe Chelmza? Small town but extremely active (hosted national championships once or twice), and all the Chelmzan player I met were cool dudes.

>>51168368
only w40k from what I know. But he is a tricky bastards, who knows what his collection is made of, as he has tool box after tool box of infinity stuff.
>>51168440
Elk is not a small town. It may not be huge, but it is not small.

>>51168562
there are no black people in my city. Now Bialystok, it is full of refugees that were fleeing the Russian Chechen war. Plus we are good white catholic people, and Bialystok is ortodox abombination.

>>51168695
And holos. My friend bought 3 saladins in resin for example.
>>51168746
Maybe Stettin? they are close to germany, mentaly they are almost like eastern germans.

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>>51168326
>yes. the org said they are a stupid factions, and that corvus belli is planing to remove them from the game anyway, so people shouldn't invest in to them.
Sounds like this guy needs to be removed instead. Fucking polish meme game stores, goddamn

>>51168686
>>51168762
>>51168814
Not been to a tournament in Stettin but been on tournaments in warsaw and wroclaw.
Both were very pleasant experiences.
Nothing above 2 combat groups so I don't know where you get that. And both warcors are nice guys. Also I am not from Poland.

>>51169098
>Nothing above 2 combat groups so I don't know where you get that.
Well, I live in Warsaw and spam is common, or at least was. Quite a few people embraced Limited Insertion because they were so tired of 30 orders Hungries lists.

>>51169236
then the tourney I went to must have been an exception. As I said nothing above 2 combat groups even from the ISS player.

I think was is the most important word here.

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>>51167717
>Ah and the format was starter box+two blisters or one support box/one TAG.
Wait wait, you mean there were no point limit, just those conditions?
What the fuck??

>"yeah organizer, no worry bro, I got this, no problem at all"
>bring Neoterra starter box + Cutter
>proceed to rape everyone on sight
Jesus Christ

>>51168326
>the org said they are a stupid factions, and that corvus belli is planing to remove them from the game anyway, so people shouldn't invest in to them.
>mfw

>>51169236
A simpler solution would be to tell Zippy not to run zergrush.

>>51168440
>Ełk
>not a meme town
It is now.

>>51168440
>Located in Poland
>Not a meme town

Pick one

Around Shasvasti ... stay frosty.

Around Yu Jingese
...

keep your unease

>>51172006
>>51172223

Around Aridna
...
нe лeзь блять дeбил cyкa eбaный

>>51165452
I remember when everyone thought that we would get a dogface loli hacker.
I'm still a bit sad that it was only a mistranslation

>>51165732
hehehehehe

Around Haqqislam

...

Never be calm

Avert, Morats
...
Stay alert, no chats

Around Onyx ... watch your six.

Around the various Batroids ... remove them like hemorrhoids.

Don't believe the propaganda ...

of Pan Oceania

Around the Greeks ... clench your cheeks.

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Around the Vedics ... protect your dicks

Around Imperial Service ... you need to be nervous.

And Tohaa don't get a rhyme because they're garbage.

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Rules Question:

- I've got a TO: Camo marker 2" behind an enemy dude, outside his LoF. It's the enemy's turn.

The enemy dude activates, spends order to turn around to face me (does he get a free discover roll?). For his ARO my dude declares engage.

Now what for the enemy dude? Does my engage-ARO decloak my dude early enough for the enemy to declare a BS/CC attack as second short-skill?

>>51174520
You are automatically decloaking at the beginning of the ARO. He can do whatever he wants since you are not a marker anymore.

>>51174724
Thanks, anon

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WIP anyone?

I've had some good news. A blister pack of one of my favorite models: THE "BOSS" HAFZA came in sooner than expected so I assembled him and his crouching buddy. I liked the Spitfire Hafza I had earlier, but the crossed arm guy is so much cooler looking. It was pretty fortuitous to find the pack of two for ten bucks on eBay when I'd otherwise have to buy a whole starter pack for the one guy I actually want. Now with this I'm only missing one other favorite Haqqislam model: The female Naffatun.

Besides that I've been splashing some paint on my friend's nomads mostly, getting the layers for base coats in.So far so good but it's been taking a while as this new red I'm trying has a different amount of coverage than I expected.

Does this game have anything like the fremen from Dune?

>>51178575
Haqq is desert themed and frequently has high tech body suits/armor, but no force is socially like the Fremen.

>>51176935
Nice shade of red on the taskmaster/wildcat/ prowler helmet.

>>51178659
Dont forget they control the Silktotes not Spice I swear too.

What would you guys say is the least played faction? Going by my area it would be Tohaa, I don't think I've ever met anyone who plays them.

>>51179474
Tohaa overall is the least played, and by virtue of newness keeps it there. Also I'm certain some people don't like the aesthetic and new players are put off them because fireteams rules.

Anyone know how playable the rpg is in its current state? A few friends at my FLGS with no rpg experience have asked me to run something and a few of them have shown interest in the game since they're all familiar with the universe. Backed it when it was first announced but haven't looked at it in fucking years.

>>51179668
If you don't want gear, it's theoretically playable.

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>>51165987
>>51166066
>>51166926
Apparently Angel did not paint it. It was Minotauro Studio.

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>new RPG update
>we're going to hire an assistant line manager, but it's hard to find one with both great editing skills and an in-depth knowledge of the Infinity universe
I have no face for this, so have some of the update's art instead.

>>51179732
Gear is in there, just as pre-layout, pre-balance tweaking raw text files. Same with the enemies chapter.

>>51181172
Also, no previews just yet, Modiphius are having to fiddle with the layout because CB want the Mercs and Submondo chapters to have logos in them, so they have to insert some empty space while they try and find the logo images.

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>>51181195
They still think they can get the full core done by February, but won't go to print until mid-Feb to allow time for error-checking. Like calling the star of the Sol system Shanxing.

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>>51181275
So they're giving all the backers £15 worth of PDF credit so you can get MC3e or Achtung Cthulhu or something while you wait.

>>51165452
that shit is cringe .
your taste in women is shit.

>>51181172
I suspect inter-party dynamics would often go like in this pic.

>>51181301
Alternative title:
>players take wilderness of mirrors missions too seriously

>>51181172
>GiveBackMyPendriveFucker.png

>>51181283
the only cringe here is ur pasty ass

>>51181313
Not for my group, we thrive off of inter-party intrigue and team killing shenanigans. The wilderness of mirrors is what got us so interested.

And then the game never came out...

>there will never be crossfaction rules
>you will never be a Yu-Jing unit putting aside political crap to assist a team of Fusiliers about to get murdered by Morats
>you will never have ORC and neo-Catholic troops convinced to not fire upon you by the rescued Fusiliers
>you will never have Nomad troops giggle as Ariadna CIA throw Morats out planes and the CIA rep not knowing what's so funny
>you will never have haqqislam teach the other factions on insurgency hit-and-run tactics
>you will never have a pan-human coalition invade Combined Army space to avenge destroyed colonies

>>51181431
Personally, I'd enjoy different campaigns about a ALEPH-spearheaded coalition task force with units from all sides bravely facing down the CA hordes, a shining beacon of humanity united and a bastion against those who would destroy them, and another where it's black ops shenanigans, where you're not sure what's more dangerous, the Aswang infil teams combing the jungle for you, the Tohaa who claim they're going to help you, or the (insert faction here) sitting across from you as you try to figure out if they're about to call a fire mission on your side.

>>51181457
All of those things except the last one do happen, there's an entire blockade made of of every human nation and tohaa forces working together to stop the combined forces reentering the human sphere.

The only reason the last one wont happen is because it relies on humankind winning the war, which is impossible when you consider the absolute unimaginable strength of the EI and its Combined Army.

>>51181504
>Tohaa open a wormhole to diverge CA attention from their main warfront because they were losing
>still come here and fight against the CA
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>>51181550
They're talking space artichokes. Don't expect logic from talking space artichokes. Just shoot 'em in the back when you can deny it ever happened.

>>51181550
Maybe they want the EI to consider humanity a more legitimate threat than it is, therefore routing more resources to the human spheres instead of tohaa space?

Or the real reason:
CB wantes to sell more minis.

>>51181550
It's not like they sent all their forces. Some Tohaa need to hang around to keep the distraction is as effective as possible and ensure we don't do something inconvenient like start an internal war or submit to CA. Humans are still doing the bulk of the fighting on this front.

>>51181504
>The only reason the last one wont happen is because it relies on humankind winning the war, which is impossible when you consider the absolute unimaginable strength of the EI and its Combined Army.
>ywn be part of a team sent on a suicide mission into CA space to fuck shit up as much as possible

So what's the plan for the Tohaa? Do they have some super weapon to stop the CA that needs time to develop, or did they throw us into the meatgrinder just for the lulz?
knowing those asparagi cunts it's probably the second

>>51181663
It's probably simply a delaying moving on their part. More bodies in the way.

>>51181663
its a distraction, slightly relieves the pressure from the 'real' war. Gives them a microscopic better chance of victory.

>>51181599
If we're a more legitimate threat for the CA I wonder how the Tohaa managed to resist their assault for that fuckhueg time in the first place.

>>51181567
Don't Tohaa opinions on 'umies range from "look, more brave allies! HELL YEAH", "useful idiots for distracting the CA", and "MONKEYS GET OUT REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE"

>>51181690
>>51181672
I understand, but do they have actual chances of winning, or are they just losing more slowly?

>>51181691
An endless tide of symbiomates, obviously.

>>51181691
I didn't mean a more legitimate threat than the tohaa, I meant a more legitimate threat than the human sphere's would have been without tohaa aid. Because the tohaa are helping humanity, the EI will see them as a larger threat than if there was no Tohaa aid. Meaning the army the EI is going to send in order to get rid of/conquer the human spheres will be larger, meaning less resources are being spent against the tohaa (a minuscule amount, but still an amount)

I imagine that when the actual army of the EI shows up, the tohaa will probably bail out and close the wormhole behind them.

>>51181625
>you will never be part of a pan-human Dolittle raid gone bad because ALEPH manages to seriously overestimate the amount of CA massed on one of their planets
>you will never look your Yu-Jung counterpart in the eye and tell them they fought well, for a bunch of commie nationalist dicksucks
>they will never clap you on the shoulder and tell you you also fought well, you sky-fairy-worshipping capitalist pig
>they will never get annoyed when the ALEPH rep says they thought they were Neo-Buddhist/Confucian
>you will never hear the Haqqislam gunner admit he always wanted to try bacon
>you will never have the Veteran Kazak pass around the last bottle of vodka
>you will never facepalm as the Nomad rep spews an old, tired meme as a CA shell tears into your battered dropship

>>51181704
losing more slowly. They may see it as a better chance of winning but ultimately, the EI will win. It spans galaxies after all.

>>51181747
>overestimate
Underestimate.

>>51181747
meh, I'm sure people bonded when fighting on paradiso, before getting killed in their sleep cuz that QT Hexas agent you were fighting with turned out to be a speculo killer.

>>51181768
>before getting killed in their sleep cuz that QT Hexas agent you were fighting with turned out to be a hexas agent
ftfy

>>51181751
>>51181738
Well that's it then, I imagine we should prepare mentally to accept the new overlords.
Better hoard some... educational... videos off Mayanet before the EI shows up and shuts down the whole thing.

on the other hand if you like Xeodron BDSM it's an improvement I guess

The only way I could see CA really being defeated is if the EI breaks itself somehow and the scout force is left stranded. Maybe if it achieves some shitty ghetto enlightenment that doesn't work properly and leaves half the EI behind, that could work.

Trying again, someone has the link to 1st-2nd edition fluff scans?

>>51181995
https://mega.nz/#F!8pRURayK!Kj16fd7nQhEcaId8hKD4oA

>>51182001
Thanks my man

>>51181625
I dont think you realise how idiotic the Combined army can be. Like Seriously the El hacking device. Like they keep screwing themselves over. The biggest threat to the CA is not outside but inside.

>>51181914
Could always have it devolve into civil war against itself, like Ancillary Justice. Don't TITANs in Eclipse Phase fight each other, too?

>>51182246
>Like Seriously the El hacking device.
>it's like a normal hacking device but with a free extra program
Not quite sure what you're getting at there mang.

>>51165452
>hacker girl
from the back water shithole

>>51182276
I think he was trying to make a cringy pun conflating "EI('s) hacking device" with "EI-hacking device". Thank you english language.

>>51181283
Not as shitty as your father's, though.

>>51179474
If you're going by faction overall probably Tohaa, but if you're going by sectorial I would say Shasvasti, but Onyx might be lower by a margin because of their still relative newness.

>>51181550
So if shit starts looking bad on their front, they can sabotage humanity's defenses and divert the EI's attention to the low-hanging fruit, probably

>>51181747
>>you will never facepalm as the Nomad rep spews an old, tired meme as a CA shell tears into your battered dropship

>Implying the nomad would use a tired, old meme instead of the dankest meme in his collection as he stares death in the face.

>tfw ywn see what the Helots from Varuna look like, nor any model.

>>51183162
>an Avatar appears
>the Nomad turns to you
>"fug xdddd"

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Smug man. They're hiring concept artists. You can finally make Felix an official thing if you try hard enough. Do it!

>>51183099
But the CA won't do the mistake of bringing a massive force on Paradiso just for the Tohaa to collapse the wormhole leaving them stranded a few galaxies away from the main battlefront, so the whole situation is moot.

>>51181282
is that a ardinia buggy?

>>51183162
>>51183175
>as your vision blanks out, your hand weakly clutching the Yu-Jing you've fallen madly in love with despite all political boundaries, the last thing you hear as you fade into oblivion is "right in da benis :DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD"

>>51183879
Does the EI even know that the Tohaa are capable of such a thing? Why would they send ANY forces to the human sphere in that case?

>>51184139
I guess the EI knows what the Tohaa are able to do after their long war, and the first wave was just to scout the place and assess if humanity could be an useful specie for the EI (it is). If the EI isn't retarded I doubt we'll see a full-scale invasion, just a slow constant dribble with the aim to conquer the Sphere with the least amount of troops through an attrition war, so there's never an optimal moment when the Tohaa can collapse the wormhole.

that's assuming this game's lore makes coherent sense, and that alone is a pretty big assumption

>>51184139
The EI wants humanity to join up, we can possibly help with the enlightenment thing and could be a military asset as well.

>$1,500 for plane tickets to Spain
No Interplanetario for me, I suppose.
Feels bad man.

>>51184828
And here I am saying, dang it, I just went to Spain for last month and I can't afford another trip.

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>>51183607
>Languages: Spanish (high level)
That might prove to be a problem...
But it's a good reason to get my portfolio up as any.

>>51184067
It is, after all, the Special Undercover Recon Division - SPURDO

>>51183607
Want to do this, but my spanish sucks.

>>51185079
We expect the Mexicans learn American. Like God and George Washington intended.

Translation: we're too lazy to even acknowledge there are other Hispanic countries other than Mexico, much less learn Spanish beyond what we need to pass a bullshit language class. Some don't even learn Spanish

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>>51185079
>Wait, Y'all don't know Spanish? Didn't you learn it in School like most Americans?

Well, I'm not American. Pic related.
I've been learning English since I was a kid and it's the only foreign language that stuck. I've learned some French, German and Russian over the years, but I forgot them due to disuse (but at least I can read Cyrillic). Spanish was never on my radar.
I'll stop blogposting now. It hurts my wrists too much.

>>51185175
I wish, when I was younger, that I had the ambition to learn a few languages. Spanish, Japanese, and maybe Russian. But alas, I was not and I do not know more than simply English and what probably is less than kindergarten Spanish. Oh well, I suppose.

>>51185079
>This is presuming you guys aren't Europeans who have to learn like five languages or so.
Don't know where you found this but it's not really true, most european schools only teach english as foreign language unless you attend specific courses or institutes
Source: european with higher education degree, was only ever taught english in school

>>51185048
>>51184920
Well yeah, they're a Spanish company in Spain. What do you expect?

Just be glad they're not demanding you speak Galician, like in the region they're based on.

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MAS outright named their latest bases "Corregidor".
I know I will be getting some later and put PanO models on them.

>>51185854
>Get Bakunin styled bases (I assume there'd be drugs and cum splattered all over them)
>Put Aleph models on them

>>51185854
But anon, that's heresy!

I feel like I should have bought more MAS bases when I saw them in a FLGS in Barcelona when I was on vacation. I like them, but they get a bit pricey with Shipping.

>>51185904
I approve, if only by the fact that it means an ALEPH squad has boarded the Bakunin ship and is about to delete some degenerates.

New player here, a friend and I each bought a starter set, he got the combined army and I got steel phalanx. Is it viable for those two boxes to play against each other? Would we have any issues with small games?

>>51186114
The 2 starters clock in at 139/3SWC for Steel Phalanx and 150/2,5SWC for CA. I'd say they're close enough, maybe you could upgrade some loadouts to come close to 150 but shouldn't have particular problems.

Would Miyamoto Musashi (I know it's Mushashi but I don't like how that sounds) be OP if he had smoke grenades? I'm thinking he would be, a bit at least.

What are the best but also most entertaining videos to watch while learning the game? Like full matches, but when things happen the players explain exactly what's going on and such. There seem to be a decent amount of small rules that are easily forgotten and I feel this would help.

>>51179507
It's because they have the easiest Fireteam rules.

>Human/CA Factions
>"I want to take this this this and this, can they link?"
>"That one requires a 60 pt HI on top of your other HI, that one can't go over 4, this one has almost all of its profiles linkable but one, this one is only Haris for some reason, and for these God help you if this Fireteam breaks and you're out of burly named characters"
>Tohaa
>"I picked this random lot up off eBay, can they form a team?"
>"Yeah bro it's okay when it's in a Threeway, gregarious for life , smoke pheromones LMAO"

It's ironically not mathematics.

>>51186722
I know it's not everyone who feels this, but when I first got into the game Tohaa's fireteam rules put me off because of the ability to mix and match teams. Same with CA, just too much stuff to make sense of.

But after playing Haqqislam and ISS for a while and understanding stuff I eventually grabbed some Tohaa and CA stuff as some slow grow projects.

>>51182953
At the same time, though, Onyx is a whole lot easier to buy into than the Shas while also being much more effective.

>>51181617
It's more propaganda than substance. Sending Captain Tohaa was a masterstroke, there's probably at least a few Avatars that would covet the chance to Sepsitorize her BTS 9 booty.

If RobotJones is in this thread, please draw Neema sometime, she would look great on your style.

>>51186312
Not IMO because both Shinobu Kitsune and Saito Togan exist who're about as proficient and deadly in CC as him (Kitsune more than Togan), but also on top of that infiltrating, TO, and regular compared to Miyamoto's not regular self.

Somehow though, it doesn't strike me as thematic. Musashi seems like he's more of the Sombre/Brutal type who would use smoke and mirrors to strike you from behind. He's skilled enough to go straight to your face and slice/dice you six ways to Sunday.

>>51187392
Woudln't* use smoke.


Besides, if he had smoke he'd be stepping into the toes of Yojimbo, Kitsune, and Saito

>>51187410
Musashi IRL was the kind if guy who would use a boat oar instead of a sword if it gave him better reach.

He'd make you wait in the hot sun to tire you out.
He'd make fun of you to incense your temper.
He'd call you a faggot and laugh at you if you thought using two swords was the end all be all of katanaship.

Infinity Musashi was boring in Aristeia because he applied these same principles. If he could get his hands on an Autocannon or a TAG, he'd use them.

>>51187790
well fuck you, now I want to read Vagabond again.

>>51187790
Miyamoto mk.2 in an autocannon-wielding TAG when?

Do the EI aspects have sentience and semi-free will like Alephs do? Like, could a Charontid or Avatar theoretically betray the EI? Or at the very least go AWOL?

Is this a good sneaky list?
Also smoke can be used to re-enter the camo state right?
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>>51189136
Not really. Mnemonica constructs are in constant contact with the EI. There is no need to fear Sepsitor contamination like Aleph does so no need for independent operation (also, Aleph specifically gives its constructs personalities so they're more acceptable to people). And EI is much more distributed than Aleph, so there's less chance of its attention being directed elsewhere for a while.

Granted, if Nomad hackers isolated and incapacitated a Charontid fast enough to not let it self-destruct and later physically blocked such connections, there might be a chance. No bets on how rudimentary would such a psyche be.

>>51189607
No. You've got TO Camo assassins who don't provide orders in HD, and few orders to back them up. Also, Shinobu would have to start as a marker or you'd be in LoL despite the Kempei.
And if you're playing ITS, you're fucked due to lack of specialists. Bowninjas have really cheap KHDs, why not use one or two?

As for smoke, did you mean throwing smoke to give you a LOS blocking zone you can recamo yourself in? It's legit, unless someone with MSV2/3 is looking at you.

So ... uh ... where are the pew pew laser guns in this setting?

>>51190383
Probably plasma guns.

>>51184920
>>51185048
You could always apply to be Modiphius' new assistant line editor, and shout at the Ariadna writer whenever they do something retarded.

>>51190427
Plasma guns seem more of a thwip nyeaow zzzzumph kind of weapon to me.

>>51190021
I have a link team with two specialists, and only two Ninjas will start in HD. I could always drop the current Lt and use Asuka or something and have another cheap specialist.

>>51190507
kys

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>>51190383
Maybe some alien weapons, but most of them still use bullets.
There are exploding swords though.

>>51189607
I can't say anything for how good it is, but I can offer a quick suggestion.

Drop the Paramedic to an FO -- paramedics only real purpose most of the time is killing your unconscious guys in order to allow Combat Group swaps. 7 or less are nowhere near good odds to even bother with it, but having another B2 Flash Pulse for AROs can be a real lifesaver, especially at that 16-24 range where you'll be trading a -3 for a +3, as well as getting the benefit of shooting with 12 WIP rather than 10 BS. Vet Kazak + 4 Lines is something I cannot wait for mostly just for that, since my Garrison troops have 13 WIP.

With that extra free point, you can then reinvest it on one of those Ninjas to give them a Killer Hacking Device. Honestly, I wouldn't expect to ever actually use it for the Hacking, but mostly it's just a Hidden Deployment specialist. Plus, you can be an asshole and have fun with Cybermask for Impersonation L2 cheese. And, of course, try to fry an enemy hacker if they're using one.

>>51190383
directed energy weaponry is pretty rare at infantry scale, no idea how things are at starship level.

Plasma weapons are probably the closest.

As for exotic weaponry, viral rifles and sniper-rifles.
Shot-selection rifles with lots of ammunition types.
And aforementioned explosive swords.

How is the Bandit? Kind of a weird bundle of rules, but comparing it to a Zero gets a few pretty nice bonuses for the cost. Plus, I like the hacker mini.

Speaking of Nomad infiltrators, boy howdy am I ever ready for some fresh Moran sculpts.

>>51191029
Bandit's great. It shines it Corregidor as the main Camo specialist, Generic nomads do have the choice of the cheap Zeroes which are arguably a better deal, but the irregular status discount makes the Bandit a bargain because you'll be using that order on him/her anyways. That Adhesive laucher is a nice surprise to midfield HI and other valuable guys and it's almost as good as a ninja in CC. Situational better. Damage 16 DA is nothing to scoff it

Regarding the Moran: My friend uses the ITS prize Scarface as a Moran (and Koalas from Lunokhod). I'd personally proxy the black Alguacil from Icestorm if the old Moran sculpt bothered me so much.

>>51191143
imo Bandit is better in vanilla because irregular makes them non-spammable, but in vanilla you can have several other markers with different loadouts making the ARO unpredictable.

>>51191029
>>51191143
Related, how many specialists tends to be a good number for ITS missions? I'm planning to have two Pitchers in the list, so my repeater coverage can be pretty good, meaning more hackers makes for brutal ARO's. Is three hackers excessive? Meta re: hackable targets unknown.

>>51190812
Will do, I must've overlooked how bad the paramedic was, still pretty new. Thanks.

>>51183961
Probably. It seem to be ariadnan facial hair.

>>51190474
I haven' followed the rpg, do you have any example of retardation in mind?

>>51191439
There's a Bostria interview where he bitches about the writer putting shit like holographic statues and flying cars in Ariadna. No idea what's delaying the Nomad section, though.

I think I've managed to work out the writer's logic for the holographic statue thing.
>Ariadna has near-future technology
>we were able to holographically recreate Tupac for Coachella 2012
>therefore we should have holographic statues in the near future

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Quick Rule Question:

I have an immobilized-1 state trooper engaged in CC with an enemy model. It's the enemy Players' Turn.

The enemy declares a CC attack as his 1st short order, to which I declare 'reset' as my ARO (enemies second short order doesn't matter for this scenario).

One bulletpoint unser the effects of 'reset' declares:
"By passing a Normal WIP Roll, the user cancels his own Immobilized-1 state."

Does that mean that in my scenario the enemy CC roll and my WIP roll (for 'Reset') are both normal Rolls, respectively, rather than FtF?

That's what I got out of it.

>>51191499
Pretty sure the space slavs and vikings have been a tad too preoccupied with trying not to die on their hellhole planet to develop anything even close to that. And it doesn't even make sense to have already brought the fucking tech with in the first place.
I mean it's a good attempt at explaining it but I'm gonna stick with, the writer is a fucking moron and should be fired.

>>51191609
Coordinated Order: Dodge and Reset

If the target of a Coordinated Order chooses to Dodge or Reset as his ARO, then his Roll is compared in Face to Face against all attacking Rolls.

>>51191649
Sorry forgot to explain, I'd say since it's Face to Face against a fire team order, it would be against a normal order as well.

>>51191690
*Coordinated
Holy shit I'm fucking up.
It's a Face to Face.
There.
That's it.
Fuck, I'm sorry.

>>51191609
Normal rolls. The two rolls aren't contesting each other. Cancelling the immobilized state doesn't prevent the the CC attack. Similar to say using the Doctor skill or pushing an Objective button.

>>51191649
This is implying the coordinated orders all picked a skill that could be reacted to via dodge or reset, If everyone in a CO shoots a single dodge will f2f against all of them.

>>51185837
No, that's fair and all. I'll still send something incase they need a freelance artist

>>51190474
I'd also like to tell them to stop using thay 3d garbage

>>51191279
General rule of thumb is if 4 out of 10 of your guys are specialists you're probably ok.

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>>51191499
>Tupac for Coachella 2012
Wouldn't really call it a hologram in the general sense it is in sci-fi.

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>>51191029
Bandit IMO is invaluable in Corregidor, but a bit outshined by other infiltrators in vanilla.
He's a weird bundle of rules, as you noted, because Bandit is a bit of a Swiss army knife. He can stab, he can suppressive fire, he can hack, glue, lie mines and, if he has the chance, grab some heavy weaponry or additional equipment from a fallen foe to be an even more of a pain in the ass. Basically you take the Bandit if you don't know what you want to do with your infiltrator.
Personally I swear by the Killer Hacker loadout, although I have used KHD and the Combi + Mines in the same list, just because of the mines. Overall I think Zeros are better for cheap camo and Prowlers or Spektrs are better in shootouts, while you can take cheap Warbands or Bran Do Castro for CC. However I mainly play Corregidor, so yeah.

>>51191499
>nomad section talks about the three nomad homeworlds of Bakugan, Galidor, and Tongue Sky and the nomads' love of authoritian figures and support of Aleph

Can't wait.

>>51191499
>flying cars in Ariadna
no just no they have a higher tech level the nus but not shit like that.

Dawn was a stranded colony that took a lot of resources to make happen at all. There's a reason Dawn tables look like Warhams Fantasy with the occasional cel tower and quonset hut.

Hey does anyone have saved the renders for the new Order Sergeant box?

Manga when?

>>51191499
Which interview is this?

>>51195732
Don't know. That's just what I hear from this thread.

I did the pdf pack for the rpg hope it wasn't a mistake.

>>51196321
The PDF Master, or the subscription?

>>51196357
PDF master

>>51196873
It may take years for the the things to appear, but as long as Modiphius don't implode or fall out with CB, they will appear.

Subscription might not have been worth it, because I think it starts once the core book comes out.

There a mega of the actual rulebook?

>>51197034
Only the 1e one.

>>51197045

Shit, ok.

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>>51164062
76 is that you?

>>51164158
When did this happen?

If PanO gets a smoke, I guess it's only expected to be tied on a character nonsense.

Speaking of the RPG, were are they at with the core book? Is there enough there to suggest it as a possible campaign to my group yet?

>>51199092
She's a comic character, she's from PanO but is part of a joint O12 task force iirc.

Is a Wu Ming Core and a Bao Harris just too order intensive?

>>51196900
isn't the core supposed to be done this year?

>>51199451
No, links are quite order efficient.

>>51199451
They are kind of expensive to both have, which makes it more difficult to feed them orders, but you can be efficient with them as long as you plant what you are doing. A lot of those models can make a huge dent in ARO if you set them up right.

>>51199500
Core yes, but they've got a shit-ton of supplements to go through as well. PDF master gets all of those too, so the subscription only justifies its cost increase over PDFM if they get through all of those fast enough that the subscription doesn't run out before they finish.

I'm not sure if the sub gets the special Collector's Edition extra shit, but the PDFM definitely doesn't.

>>51199104
They're waiting on the Ariadna, Nomads, Submondo, Mercs, Dawn, Human Edge, and CA lore sections, and the Gear, Game Mastering, and Adversaries mechanics sections. Gear and Adversaries have been released as pre-layout, pre-editing, pre-balancing raw text.

You should be able to play it if you can work out Zones and Heat usage on your own, though you can get info on those from MC3e and Conan as well (though they won't have some of the Infinity-specific uses of Heat).

New player here, how does the Burst bonus from fire teams interact with Impact Templates? I know Direct Templates just places another on top of the existing one but does the same apply for Impact Templates? What I want to know is do I get to fire 2 smoke grenades out in 2 different spots?

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How is this for an ISS army?

>>51200512
You just get an additional shot. Doesn't matter if it's smoke grenades or shotguns or whatever. So yeah, your Jags or Daturazi throw two smokes.

>>51200831
Thanks bruv

Guys me and my friend are going to our first tournament. We never played infinity outside of our small circle, and the tournament is limited insartion too.With which neither of us has any expiriance.
What do you think about those two lists:

Scout Lt
Tank Hunter Auto Cannon
Spetznas HMG
Volenterr Chain Rifle
Volenterr Chain Rifle
Scout 2ed (camo) AP rifle
Chasaur FO
Uxia covert action
Warcor 6th sense
Line Kazak FO

And my friends
Saladin Lt
Fidey boring shotgun
Hanzakut Fo
Muttawi'ah chainrifle
Djanbazan HMG
Hawza rifle+shotgun
Naftun LFF+rifle
Lasique viral sniper rifle.
Hawwa FO
Warcore 6th sense.

We play 200pts.

Is there a dossier for Neko Oyama available anywhere?

>>51200732
That's actually pretty good; I'm not really a fan of the Pheasant+Bao haris and it seems it lack a bit in long range weapons but the list looks very solid overall

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>>51201969
If you have a higher res or quality (without the site shit around it) post it and I'll replace this one.

>>51201067
Both look like solid lists, although Saladin might find himself in a suboptimal situation as far as specialists are concerned.

>>51202479
What could we replace him with. To be honest the hawza and the fidey are only run, because of saladin. Without him we could take some other stuff. Maybe something like this

naftun LFF
naftun Lt
djanbazan HMG
djabazan sniper
lasique viral sniper
hanzakut FO
hawwa hacker
Zhayedan breaker rifle
Muttawiah chain
Warcore six sense.

>>51202614
In a list that already has a scary sniper, and only one source of smoke, I'm not sure that Djanbazan sniper will pull its weight.

>>51164062
Someone help out a newbie, are the Shasvassti any fun? They seem interesting with all of their sneaky beakie shit.

Are they getting new models soon?

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>>51205015
They're fun but they're a gaping hole in CB's "no model left behind" scheme. That is, their sectorial suck donkey balls atm, and they're slated to be graphically redesigned with the next book.

If you still want Shasvastii, just play vanilla CA with heavy Shasvastii presence. Also you might wanna get the old drones if it's the visuals that grab you.

t. someone who got into the game years ago with pure Shasvastii

>>51203582
So what should we take instead?

>>51205085
>their sectorial suck donkey balls atm

Isn't the #1 player in the world a Shasvastii player?

>>51205457
I think he's talking about their models.

>>51205457
Maybe, but OTOH he might've chosen Shasvastii as self-imposed handicap.

The power disparity between factions/sectorials isn't big like say between 40k codices, but Shasvastii are firmly at the bottom of it.

>>51205652
Why are they at the bottom?

>>51205762
They don't have a good line troop and the Shasvastii rule is basically useless. Also they are composed of the elite special units in CA, which don't work as well without some more conventional backbone, like Morat Vanguard Infantry or Batdroids.
Note that in Infinity tiers are more about ease of play than raw power. Shasvastii can win, you just need to be a damn good player to do so.

>>51205762
- not updated to HSN3 rules, what we got was a sloppy patch job at best.
- absolutely no Haris/Duo links. Everyone got them except Shas and MRRF, another non-updated sectorial.
- Protheion lost Dogged, didn't get cheaper
- Morpho Scan lost Protheion (and Dogged), didn't get cheaper
- Shasvastii rule got both hard and soft nerf (they used to have a single dead level where they still counted for area control, now it's only unconscious; also a shitload of shock weapons appeared). Got cheaper? Hahaha fuck no.
- Seed-Soldiers retain the uncontested title of the worst line infantry in the game (14 points, 9PH, cannot link at all even in sectorial, cannot defend DZ because they start as eggs, don't have heavy weaponry
- Combi Aswang is a running joke - there's still no combi Aswang model despite it being the single best LT option available to the Shasvastii. Not really a power complaint, but the fact that CB could've fixed it simply by adding a BS LT loadout so people could use the existing mini and didn't shows how much thought went into that.
- Seed-Embryo. Fiddly rule that CB doesn't know what to do with. FAQ ruled that eggs could link, soon after overturned by taking away SeedSoldiers' linkability altogether.
- the only 2+ W model in the sectorial is the TAG, everything except drones dies to Shock like flies. Well Ariadna does it too, but they at least have the werewolves and Shas are noticeably more expensive.
- as it is, the only reasons to run Shas now is Gwailo link (expensive), Caliban link (expensive and shit), +AVA on Shrouded/Q-Drone/Speculo/Noctifer/Malignos (and you get the last two in Onyx so...). For that you trade: good line infantry, multiple links, HI, AD capable of acting immediately, MSV, cheap warbands, plus shit available in vanilla/Onyx like TAG links, HD+, Sepsitor...

>>51206007
>>51206164

Oh, I still think they look pretty cool. I think I'll start them. Any idea when they will get updated?

>>51205411
desu in that points range you have a lot of options. Any doctor plus helpers can enhance your gunners. Khawajis can let you attack from asymetrical angles, as can Ragiks at the cost of a model off the board. The FO remote remains a great choice, and with the spare points you could make that warcor something stronger. Or if you don't anticipate a lot of alien opponents, any Fiday is really horrible for the other guy.

>>51205457
#1 player in the US, actually.

>>51206262
When the next book (Acheron Falls) hits. In a year or a year and a half, probably.

If you're still desperate to start pure Shas after reading the above, here's my advice:
- Seed-Soldiers are shit.
- Aswangs are great LTs.
- if you wanna link, Gwailo or Gwailo with Hasht/Sheskiin will be your main. Sheskiin is a good rambo on her own too.
- You got in for the camo shenanigans, use camo shenanigans. Pretty much all my lists use double Shrouded FOs. If you want an assHD, better to give it to a Malignos because they've got better WIP and you can spring them from HD, some juicy TAG or HI is going through a clearly safe area when suddenly surprise [s]buttsex[/s] asshack.
- Camo cont'd. Malignos snipers are awesome. Yes, plural. Take two, read up on actual asshole sniper tactics, crank them up to 11 and be the biggest asshole you can be. Your objective is to make the enemy feel like he's swimming in molasses because every step he takes is so much hassle.
- Speculo Killers: VIP killers (if you see a non-CC TAG, HI, obvious LT) or excellent terror units because they make people panic and throw way too many orders into killing them.
- Noctifers: great and cheap. Spitfire makes a great TO rambo, ML makes for awesome fuck-you ARO unit. BTW, they look much better with swapped weapon arms.
- Cadmus: shit if you use it normally, but land it behind an enemy (preferably several) in mine range, then poke said enemies with a sniper shot so they have a choice between taking a normal roll or AROing and eating the mine.
- remember that all your infiltrators have Automedikits and if that you revive prone so likely in total cover from whatever downed you in the first place.
- Love your drones. You can take double Qs, which are your main heavy weapon platforms. Ms are your only dedicated camo-detecting unit and also a fast backup specialist (read up on triangulated fire too). EVO might be good to give buffs if you take dual Qs, but I'd rather take a Noctifer hacker instead.
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>>51206262
>>51206462
-> cont'd
Ikadrons are almost must-haves (if you take a hacker) as cheap orders and great DZ defence. Remember that the +20 points for Baggage also counts for area control so you might want to move them into close zones and leave them there, just keep them protected.
- Sphinx. Why the fuck did I not talk about Sphinx. Tiny, manouverable ball of hurt. Basically a supercharged rambo that can go anywhere. Flamers are very situational and best used when you ambush the enemy from behind or they have ODD/TO that prevents you from using your main weapon.
- get the support box, Wormdoc is great.

>>51206427
Who's that and where did he play the Shasvastii? I'd love to read some batreps.

>>51206557
I think it's Plebian.
Part of it could be that people don't expect Shasvastii and thus don't know how to fight them.

>>51206616
>>51206557
Nope, not Plebian. Masterofmelee. He's a Shas and JSA player, so more than playing on people's lack of familiarity with the ayylmaos, he's probably just an autistic TO mastermind who's also a master of manipulating the table into good conditions and boardstates for CC engagements.

>>51206616
>>51206972
Thank fuck it's not Plebian, he's got a playstyle a bit similar to mine but just different enough to give me a headache when I try to understand it.

>>51206262
To add to the advice above:
- if you buy the starter, greenstuff cloaks onto Seed-Soldiers to use as Shrouded because while they're shit profiles they're awesome lanky minis that are wasted on the shelf. Paint the actual combi Shrouded as an extra Malignos.
If you do want a true combi Malignos, the old CA starter included one. Hard to find new, but worth looking for in bargain offers, especially since it included an alternate head.

>>51206462
>>51206538
You know, reading over this shit, it reminds me of a lot of really neat similarities to Kazaks. I mean, only in passing, of course. But I tend to only really expand out in secondary armies to forces that still have some tactical overlap between my core. And from the general theme of camo shenanigans, the double Shrouded/Scout FOs, the Camo Malignos / Autocannon TH / Spetsnaz. Even the melee terror unit that forces an opponent to react to it. Obviously there's a lot of major differences, but I might have to actually keep Shasvastii in mind.

Shikami has the Fire Team: Duo skill. Does this mean he can form a fire team with any other unit? Because if so, that seems really powerful if used with Yojimbo.

>>51208131
He can duo with another Shikami. Read up on them fireteam rules.

>>51208243
Yeah, I just realized that he wasn't a unique character like I thought, that's why I was confused. Sorry about that.

>>51208131
No, the Demon Ninja Samurai duo together, not with whoever they want. And it's really powerful just as is. A pair of ODD, Kinematica L2, Super-Jumping, Climbing+ Specialists with Nimbus Smoke who leap onto you using MA L3 to have a B2 26 CC, applying a -3 penalty to you, and then hitting on Damage 15 with DA + AP.

>>51208270
Though I wouldn't doubt a Shikami duo. The right placement and coverage and that duo is tearing big stuff apart.

Though I'd probably just treat them like I did Geckos. One suicides to soften the target(s), the other finishes the job.

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An idea for a Holy Sepulchre based list that does not mix any other Orders in. So no Magisters, thus a Sergeant link. I say Black Friar gets a pass because technically they're not knights but Inquisition, although I could possibly replace him by changing the linked HRL into a Spitfire and adding a Sierra or Bulleteer. I kinda like having something linked with HMG range bands though.

>>51209231
Blyat/10
I like the more urban/rocky camo.

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>>51209324
Spasibo. More of the Urban Rodina Task Force style than the wilderness/naval operatives of Tartary. Have Dog as thanks. The other'll be getting a much darker color scheme. Probably salt-and-pepper hair on the Dogface and a black body with silver mane on the Dog itself.

>>51209506
The lighting makes the guy look like Captain Pronin.

>>51209827
...I hadn't thought of that, but now I can't help it. And I love it. Thanks for telling me what my subconscious must have been thinking.

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Why does CA have the best girls?

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Alright, I made my first Shavastii list.

Come on, don't be shy now.

>>51216316
>>51216316
There's no reason not to at least run a Gwailo hacker so that your Link Team has a Specialist in it. Dunno about the rest, but that's the first thing that stuck out to me.

>>51216316
>>51216387
Also, a Smart MSR with zero FO and one Hacker is a bit questionable.

>>51216409
Is FO = Free Orders?

I'm quite new. Why would I need another hacker?

>>51216465
Forward Observer

>>51216465
Nah, FO is a Forward Observer. Basically, it allows a model to put enemies in a Targeted state to allow that Guided MSR to have fun with as well as allowing you to have another Specialist. The official ITS missions are pretty notorious for having requiring a Specialist tax, and FO are normally the cheapest ones you'll find while also giving you some added benefit of B2 Flash Pulses in ARO and setting up Guided weapons.

A Gwailo Hacker would take up the last of that SWC in order to not waste any while also giving you a BSG and a Specialist in what will be your only Link Team. Also, I tend to like mixing up the weapons in my Link Teams a little more to give myself more options at different ranges. Right now, you've got 4 MULTI rifles which are great up to 16 inches and a Heavy Rocket Launcher that's great at 16 to 32. But when I can, I tend to prefer having an HMG / Spitfire to use on the Active Turn. Approaching a group of enemies with a B5 gun whose sweet spot is from 8 to 24 while safely behind a Nanoscreen can help you shred through baddies, and while you wouldn't get Shock or AP, you're getting an extra B and an extra point of Damage from the MULTI rifles.

A good bit of this is just personal preference probably, but right now, all it takes is someone cracking that Rocket Launcher -- maybe a BSG suicide run or a sniper from where you're sitting at no BS bonus -- and that fireteam has to be up in your enemies face in order to threaten them, with a max that is just a few fingers outside of the danger zone of BSGs, Chain Rifles, Heavy Flamethrowers, and the like.

Hackers can also toss the Targeted state on enemy targets with Spotlight, and they don't need to be in LoS to do so. Which would allow a Gwailo hacker on the other side of a wall use his Assault Hacking Device to line up an impossible shot for the Haiduk. If you aren't abusing Targeted state, there's no reason to bring the Guided MSR.

>>51216316
>Gwailo link
One or two multi rifles is enough, shotguns are best for filling out the link. Maybe consider a hacker for objectives and more offensive hacking power. HRL is a good choice.

>Haiduk GMSR
You've got no FOs and a single WIP13 hacker. The guided gimmick isn't all that good anyway, but if you're using it you need to commit. Otherwise downgrade to the normal sniper, or just get a Q Drone or Noctifer ML instead.

>Noctifers
Good. You've got the spitfire that can run around killing people and the hacker that can grab objectives.

>R Drone
Also good.

>Aswangs
These guys are solid but you don't need so many. Just the Lt would be enough since many of those Gwailos could also be your Lt and you can disguise Noctifers as normal camo markers to confuse your opponent. There's lots of ways to protect him that don't involve taking a bunch more Aswangs you probably won't use much.

The complete lack of infiltrators is also rather strange. They're my bread and butter as a Shasvastii player.

>>51216578
I'll never understand why they felt the need to drop the Guided shot's damage. Dunno about how other faction's work with Guided MSR, but the fact that it is given to a unit with one of the worst BS values in the army already ensures that there's still the possibility for failure since it only ends up on BS 17 rather than a confirmed hit. It's a really neat gimmick, it's just a shame it isn't all that good.

>>51216626
Actually, wait, what the actual fuck. A Haiduk is .5 SWC and 5 points more expensive than a T-Drone. Meanwhile, when the two fire off at a Targeted enemy...
>Haiduk
BS 17, Damage 13, DA, Circular Impact Template
>T-Drone
BS 18, Damage 14, AP+DA, Circular Impact Template

Sure, the Haiduk is smaller and has sapper, and the MSR can still be used as one. But if you're going to really cheese Guided munitions -- which if you aren't, why are you bringing them -- but both of these assholes ought to be buried somewhere that's a pain in the ass for your enemy to get into anyways, and the T-Drone's 6-4 gives it a better shot at re-positioning if needed. And dealing with STR rather than W is so much easier.

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On a scale of retarded to fun!, how am I doing with this JCC list?

>>51209231
These are lovely. Kind of funny to think how despite being an Ariadna selection, it's actually too elite to be fielded as a list.

>>51216943
Well... it is a double missile launcher list. My worry would be having a few things that can pull off really spectacular kills but no B4 weapons to grab order efficient ones. Also, for an ARO heavy list, you actually have a super obvious Lt who might be suicided off the board.

And yet - Massacre team, Scotdog, KHD Bandit... it would be fun

Just finished building my USAriadna army pack, what should I grab to bring me to 300 points? And do I want the maruader link or grunt one?

>>51218165
Is the box not 300 points...?

>>51218165
They're both good links, but Marauders will get you closer to 300pts.

>>51218239
Not even close. It's about 150.

>>51218270
Oh right I forgot. It's Ariadna. God forbid it's not 7 combat groups with change.

>>51200732 Anon here
Have a tourney coming up and this is my first real exposure to competitive and I am also fairly new to the game. The missions will be Supplies, Frontline, Firefight, Antenna Field and Supremacy. Currently I have 3 lists in the air and trying to figure out which ones to take. Which do you guys think will be fun to play but at the same time I won't hold up the game so I can make sure we both get all our turns?
So we have the list I put up before,
Double Su Jian List
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or
Mostly the same as the first list but instead of using a Bao Link I'm using a Crane instead.
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>>51219222
you better post in the next thread, this one will die real soon

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>>51216316
K, let me list what I'd fix if I wanted to make this a tournament list:

>gwailo link
Drop two multi rifles, add a hacker and some kind of high-burst weapon as pointman (spitfire or Hasht or Red Fury Sheskiin). Remember that you can swap BS and MR models' arms to create two different models for each loadout.

>aswangs
It's in your DZ and it's a camo, of course it's an Aswang LT! That said, extra combi Asswangs are pointless, better take either BS so some assassin gets +6 ARO when trying to cap your LT, spitfire for basic offensive, or forgo the extras altogether, if camo won't give you enough protection you have bigger problems.

>no infiltrators
Seriously lizard, WTF are you doing in Shasvastii without them!? Take two Shrouded. If it's ITS make them FO (remember that they have Flash Pulse which is a great ARO tool), if not ITS make them minelayers for better camo spam. Use the leftover points from kicking extra Aswangs.

>R-drone
Ikadron has two LFTs and baggage for 1pt more. Take Ikadrons instead. Inb4 expensive: shut up lizard, if you weren't a masochist you wouldn't be playing Shasvastii.

>Noc hacker
No point taking a basic HD unless you run a Q drone or at the very least an M. Better take cheaper and better assHD on a Gwailo or an infiltrator.

>haiduk
>no Q-drone
Do you need extra sniper range that much? Do you have 2+ FOs/asshackers in front to target guided munitions? If the answer to both is no, why are you taking a Haiduk?

I came up with pic related. Still not sure about combat group distribution.

>>51217558
Awesome, same concerns I had. I tried fitting a wildcat as a possible Lt for mindgame purposes but then I lose out on orders and utility. the struggle is real.

new bread
>>51219646