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First for a breath of fresh air out of the stale thread

24 Days until Inferno.

One bread closer to the next Inferno delay.

What does everybody think about changing Indomitus terminator armour to be cheaper, and have both Tartaros and Catapractii be upgrades ?

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>>51163141
I guess this is now a Sallie claimed bread. Crispy bread for everyone!

>>51163157
I could live with Indomitus being cheaper. Make Tartaros the most expensive out of the three since it would be harder to maintain as Horus and friends' edgy temper tantrum progressed.

>>51163151
*25

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>>51163163
Jokes on you, I was an Imperial Fist in disguise.

Though I do honour my Sworn Brothers desu
Wouldn't want one inside my transports though

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>>51163209
>>51163163
>>51163141

>>51163163
From the thumbnail I thought that was a Tau fortification.

>>51163209
But you'd get more flamethrowers in your transport.
>>51163219
Buzz off. Uncle Vulkan needs this.
>>51163233
Now that you mention it it does look like one. I have to get one of those. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=6JyDp0l2ayc

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>>51163207

Yo!

Seekers can take a Proteus Land Raider as dedicated Transport.

Proteus can take an item which grants it the SCOUT special rule, although making it just an 8 slot transport. Now, the scout rules state that infantry can re-deploy within '6'. But the Land raider have the scout rule. Does that mean that the Proteus with the seekers can re-deploy within '12' as most scouts can do?

Can lists based around Tactical blobs and Fury of the Legion work?
Aside from templates which can be dealt with, what other pitfalls of 20-man squads I should be aware of are there? One thing that comes to mind is the possibility of harsh terrain, but I'm not experienced enough to assess how much of a factor it is.

>>51163209
You don't want some obsidian pimped rides ? Shame on you brother

>>51163303
Death Guard don't give a shit about terrain, and Creeping Death gives them a healthy cover bonus, especially with an apothecary.

Add extra chainswords and tell everything to fuck off

>>51163303

I think the problem is that they're only much use against other infantry, and people are taking less and less of that. Even if you do manage to get off a full FotL with rapid fire (frankly, rather unlikely) it'll only kill 9 MEQ on average, or half as many terminators. Not terrible, but not stellar either. Anything else is going to be decidedly untroubled by S4 shooting.

>>51163358
I agree with you on the chainswords, I feel they are a must for good defense.
What I had in mind however was three options:
- Dark Angels Ironwing Protocol (Exterminators for 3+ to wound bolters)
- Imperial Fists Hammerfall Strike Force (Deep Striking blobs)
- Alpha Legion with no particular Rite, they have plenty enough possible combinations

Anon with broken salamander traits here, anyone willing to help me fix this mess and give ideas for the two last traits ?
1.MASTER OF THE ARMORY
select one unit with both the legion astartes(salamanders) and either the infantry or jump infantry type, each model in this unit have one of their weapon master crafted
2.DISCIPLE OF THE PROMETHEAN CREED
The warlord gain IWND, in addition every unit within 6" (including the warlord's own) gain the stubborn rule
3.UNYIELDING SPIRIT
the warlord gain fearless, in addition each unit within 6" of the warlord add +1 to their ld
4.INTO THE FIRE
Once per battle, at the beginning of your shooting phase, declare that you are using this trait, all flamer-type weapon gain the twin-linked special rule during this phase

>>51163416
>>51163358
Speaking of extra CC for tacs, how should they be modeled? Does every bloke need 2 weapons?

>>51163472

Bayonets or Chainswords. Bayonets can be mounted on their Bolters, Chainswrods sheathed at their hips.

>>51163500
Or combat blades.

>>51163508
Or all of the above.

>>51163571
Preferrably all of the above.

>>51163303
Is 3 Tactical squads at 2500 points a bad idea?

Let's call it around 800 points for tactical marines, and the rest is support weaponry in the form of tanks and artillery with specific roles/targets

You pay only 35 points more for a 20 man squad with Fotl than you do for a 5 man plasma squad in a Rhino for example

Can I take Spartans als Dedicated Transports for my 20 man tactical squads?

>>51163680
are you iron hands ?

>>51163500
>>51163508
>>51163571

Anything really. Chainswords, bayonets, knives, shovels, trench clubs...

>>51163665

5 man plasma squad is more killy and manoeuvrable, tac squad is tougher. They do very different jobs.

>>51163665
In all probability it's more likely to be a bad idea. I'd go over the 800 points with added Apothecaries w/Augury Scanners and such, even a Master of Signal to boost it where needed.
Bruteforcing the dice through any armour saves seems fun, also I find the idea of massed bolter fire iconic as I got into the game when the artwork was good so it stuck with me.

>>51163787
That was just an example. If I've got 300 points spare and can't find a good or thematic fit, another Tactical squad isn't going to hurt. Doesn't matter how many dudes you kill, you aren't getting these objectives motherfucker

>>51163665
>>51163799

If you have nothing else to take up points, then the question is moot. Either you have the resources to go up against someone fielding $700 worth of merchandise in a 2500 point game or you're living off boxed plastic.

>>51163728
Iron Warriors

>>51163665
I run 3x10 in Rhinos every game thats over 1.5k, it's totally legit.

>>51163157
You could argue for keeping Cataphractii as a free replacement for Indomitus, or only pricing it marginally higher, due to it having S&P rather than just Relentless.

Tartaros, on the other hand, is a better Indomitus with no added drawback to balance it out. I'm surprised it isn't more expensive already.

Want to field something like this, not sure about predator and malcador loadout.

Ironwing 2000 (Warhammer 30,000 - The Horus Heresy v44) (2000pts) +++

The Age of Darkness (Legiones Astartes: Age of Darkness Army List v205) (2000pts) ++

+ HQ (165pts) +

Damocles Command Rhino (100pts)

Legion Centurion (65pts) [Power Armour]
Consul [Delegatus], Rite of War - Ironwing Protocol

+ Elites (135pts) +

Legion Mortis Dreadnought (135pts) [Two Twin-linked Autocannons]

+ Troops (320pts) +

Legion Tactical Squad (160pts) [Legion Rhino Armoured Carrier, 9x Legion Tactical Space Marines]
·Legion Tactical Sergeant [Bolter]

Legion Tactical Squad (160pts) [Legion Rhino Armoured Carrier, 9x Legion Tactical Space Marines]
·Legion Tactical Sergeant [Bolter]

+ Heavy Support (1310pts) +

Legion Malcador Assualt Tank Squadron (710pts)
·Legion Malcador Assault Tank [Armoured Ceramite, Battle Cannon, Demolisher Cannon, Flare Shield, Heavy Bolter, Lascannon Sponsons]
·Legion Malcador Assault Tank [Armoured Ceramite, Battle Cannon, Demolisher Cannon, Flare Shield, Heavy Bolter, Lascannon Sponsons]

Legion Predator Strike Armoured Squadron (340pts)
·Legion Predator Tank [Executioner Plasma Destroyer, Lascannon Sponsons]
·Legion Predator Tank [Executioner Plasma Destroyer, Lascannon Sponsons]

Legion Vindicator Siege Tank Squadron (260pts)
·Legion Vindicator Tank [Combi-Bolter, Laser Destroyer Array]
·Legion Vindicator Tank [Combi-Bolter, Laser Destroyer Array]

>>51164053
That's a lot of fucking tanks.

>>51163817
It's not about the cash anon, it's about the 320~ points left in my list, and the suitability (or lack of) that units around that cost are for my mostly footslogging force. Anything in a transport is going it alone, anything drop podded in will be dead because the rest is too slow to lend support

You see what I mean anon?

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Reposting.

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Currently building a burning of prospero fuelled Death Guard force as my first 30k intro, but I'm also building this force to work in 40k (seeing as DG got some tasty new rules).

The force is going to look largely uncorrupted as a result, with hints of nurglish bits and bobs. Some units will be built solely for use in 30k, others solely for 40k, including a Lord on a Palaquin of Nurgle. My query is: how would you guys convert up a 40k Palaquin of Nurgle to look more 30k/less corrupted?

Current thoughts are like a little platform/throne on treads, or maybe a Mechanicus style mini-walker thing. Any ideas?

Pic is the champion of my chosen/vet tac squad, not looking too DG atm, but wanting them to stand out from the regular MKIIIs.

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>>51163207
Are you kiddin me?

Can librarians generate powers from Librarius, Technomancy, Fulmination, and Geokinesis?

>>51165259
40k yes.
30k no

>>51163799

>Doesn't matter how many dudes you kill

I think another 20 ought to do it.

>>51164926
Who the hell is knightanon?

>and now the masturbation about lonely people with mental issues who get attached to having identities in an anonymous culture will begin

gonna be a good thread

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Inferno.
WHERE
IS
INFERNO
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

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>>51165521
Right in front of these guys.

I so wish they were better at setting stuff on fire than a normal tactical support squad.

There been any books with fabulous bill making an appearence yet?
Also what should we expect from lucius in terms of rules?

Praise the Omnissiah, I have some money spare now and I want to nab the bare minimum for a Reductor army so I can build it up in future.
2x3 Thallax with Photon Thruster
FW Magos Dominus
40 Genestealer Neophytes to make into Adsecularis
2 Basilisks to make into Medusae.

Am I missing anything important? Was eventually going to get a Hellblade to use as a Lightning, because Xana. First 30k army, so although I've read the tacticas I've had no experience personally.

>>51165521
22 days until Inferno!

>>51165576
Id say give one of you thallex units meltas, great for utilising their jetpacks and toughness
The armoured ceramite spam you hear about in the tactica is a stale meme, ive never seen AC on the table

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>>51163431
How about

>1. SLAYERDRAKE:
One of the Warlord's weapons gains +1Str. For Combi-weapons, both parts are affected.
Justification: Some Traits are simply "Warlord gains MC weapon(s)", but this one would make synergy with his Sallie-crafted weapons. Less so if he's wielding stuff like a Thunder Hammer, but S9 makes it good against metal boxes too

>2. DISCIPLE OF THE PROMETHEAN CREED:
The warlord gains IWND, in addition every unit within 6" (including the warlord's own) gains the Stubborn rule.
Justification: Cassian Dracos has an aura of FnP, and 6" is half of the regular aura radius

>3. UNYIELDING SPIRIT:
The warlord gains Fearless, in addition each unit within 6" of the warlord add +1 to their Ld.
Justification: Akin to a downgraded version of one of Vulkan's rules, and a different version to Rhy'than's WT

>4. INTO THE FIRES OF BATTLE:
The Warlord has Furious Charge, his unit gains Hammer of Wrath. If they already had the rule, they inflict D3 HoW hits instead.
Justification: Salamander archetypes are champions, their RoW even makes Champions the only available Consuls

>5. UNTO THE ANVIL OF WAR:
The Warlord gains Stubborn, he and the unit he's attached to gains Counter Attack
Justification: Because try to contest my objective

>6. LORD OF CINDERS:
Designate D3 Infantry squads. Their Flamer-type weapons reroll To-Wound rolls of one.
Justification: Non-chem version of Burner of Worlds...even if they do indeed, literally, burn the fuck out of worlds

Yes, I realize I also suck at making "balanced" traits. Be as it may, a Salamander Praetor with Mantle of the Drake, cheap Mastercrafted Thunder Hammer, Digital weapons, Iron Halo + Stormshield and mounted on a Jetbike with a +1Str Heavy Flamer is already a tough motherfucker that may drop a flaming shit on your EC/WE beatstick, Warlord Trait or not.

Not to mention Child of Terra is a thing.

>>51165535
>I so wish they were better at setting stuff on fire than a normal tactical support squad.
At least they are resilient? 2+ with a conditional 5++, in a Land Raider.
Their melta projectors are a bit underwhelming, though.

>>51165708
I think I might do that, but I was thinking I'll order the Thallax with Photon Thruster, since it's easier to counts-as that as a melta than vice-versa. Are the Myrmidon Destructors any better than the Secutors? I kind of love the models and those Irrad Engines look nasty, but my main enemy is Death Guard who get 4+ FnP against it. Any of their other guns worth the points?

>>51163151
>obligatory >>>>>Implying Inferno will come out post

>>51165969
Come on anon, can't you have a single bit of hope in that cold black heart of yours?

>>51165989
Hope is the first step on the road to disappointment.

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>>51165989
Found Tzeentch.

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Can a Mhara Gal dreadnought take a drop pod?

>>51163102
Post rules that don't make sense.

>Delegatus, the guy who is supposed to lead specific teams to go fuck shit up when they don't want to send a Praetor, can't go in allied detachments
>Neither can a Herald

>Sworn Brothers can't share transports
>hey brothers, I know we fought side-by-side for multiple months on Istvaan but I won't let you in my truck, sorry.

>Solar Auxilia can take squads of volkite as troops
>but no support squads aside from flamers

>>51166300
It has no dedicated transport options of its own and isn't listed as one of the dreads that are allowed in a dreadclaw, but if you get a kharybdis then you can fit it in there.

>>51166320
Well, they can, but only if you bring a Primarch.

>Angel's wrath doesn't let any marine unit with more than 10 men take a 20-man capacity Storm Eagle as a dedicated transport.

>>51166320
>Flareshields being objectively better than Voidshields

>>51166320
The whole rending flamers nonsense, either sniper veterans or mor deythan. Apparently being an expert sniper allows you to aim a flamethrower more effectively.

>>51166423
Not really objectively, but I wish flare shield were a bit rarer.

>>51166320
Calleb Decima not having Archmagos stats, and Ordo Reductor not being able to take the Achilles they invented.
Also Death Guard not being Sworn Brothers with Ordo Reductor, although that's just a little problem.

>>51166320
Rapiers themselves having unit type : artillery
Marines with the rapiers unit type : Infantry
If you play this RAW the rapiers can never fire, because the crew doesn't have the right unit type so they don't count as crew for firing the gun models.

>>51166450
>headshotting with flamerthrowers and shrapnel of frag missiles is so realistic, kek

>>51166320
>>Neither can a Herald
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
>>51166481
DOUBLE R E E E E E E E E E E E E E EE

Models with MotL should be confined to the Primary detachment, Delegati and Heralds being the sole exceptions.

>>51166551
>Each Rapier has 2 Space Marine crew.
>Special Rules
>Legiones Astartes (Space Marine Crew)

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>IWs lost pretty much half of their LA rule with the grenadeFAQ
Decimation.

>>51166320
Orbital Assault Rite of War - no Dreadclaw nor Kharybdis as dedicated transport options.

>>51166320
>salamanders can take forgelords and techmarines with rad grenades
>and take servitors armed with rad missiles
>and can also put rad missiles on a lightning

Also, I guess it's a bit funny that Salamanders and Death Guard get slightly more effective jump troops and skimmers due to Move Through Cover.

>>51166320
Almost every single relic.
>S get EW for 20 points
>IF have to pay 30 points on top of that for a 3++ against melta

>Every single +1S ap3 rending sword with a shitty gimmick rule
>Meanwhile, BL get a fleshbanefearinducingsoulblaze AP2 sword of no downsides, even ignoring the blade of memedition

>>51166348
Huh. Seems odd, what with the Serrated Sunday being drop specialists and all.

>>51166676
>Serrated Sunday
Kek.
They have faith all week long though.

>>51166676
Wait I have an idea. Someone do a Serrated Sundays image like those Secret Saturdays.
I'd do it myself but I'm going out for the day.

>>51166618
They still don't have the Artillery unit type, which means that no matter how often they are listed as crew they don't function as such. The fact that they have unit type : infantry means they have no acces to the rule that allows them to fire the weapon of a gun model rather than their own.

>>51166669

The blood angels get all the cool swords. :(

>>51166676
>>51166736
Word Bearers go to church every day except Sunday.
Sunday is raising-money-for-the-new-church-after-the-iron-warriors-bombarded-it-on-saturday day.

>>51166802
>the Dark Apostles go to all their cultist's dwelling with collection tins
Does the cathedral have a little money box with a drawing of a partially filled thermometer above it?

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>>51166800
Blood Angels OP even before their legion-specifics come out, but nobody says nothing.

Can IW get at least a nice legion-specific weapon?
Maybe Shrapnel Bolts get Ignore Cover plus Pinning at -1Ld?

>>51166866
>Does the cathedral have a little money box with a drawing of a partially filled thermometer above it?
They have a good-boy points counter instead ;^)

>>51166911
>tfw when have to start a crusade for enough points to buy tendies

>>51166320
No jetpacks for Ordo Reductor.

I need them so he can fly with his thallax troops.

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Goodies arrived

>>51167070
What's in the other box, anon?

>>51167070
What did you get, and what legion?

>>51167105
The whole thing is a Sicaran Venator, Apothecaries and 2 Predator Executioners

>>51167110
Oh, and I'm Death Guard. This box plus 2 Vindicators and Phosphex Mortars are my footslogger's support

>>51166891

My money is on at least one jump unit (sanguinary guard are canon in 30k, but how do they make them any different from 40k?), and on Sanguinius or someone else providing the opportunity for no-scatter DS.

>>51167268
>army wide no-scatter

Yes please.

>>51167268
Maybe some blood termies too.

>>51164926
this is missing the smiling primarchs anon

>>51167461
>What are Numbered Mistakes :^)

Okay Thousandfags, Achean or regular upgrade.
Which is more AESTHETIC?

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>>51167681
Lorgar's non-canon beard. Just look at how EVIL(tm) it is!

But anyways, Achean is named whereas the regular one isn't so I assume that it will likely be for a special unit or something. But they both look pretty cool.

T. Word Bearer.

>>51167351

Well, 1d6 scatter at least. It's pretty traditional in one form or another for BA in 40k, and would have some nice synergy with the rest of their rules.

>>51167389

Meh, legion termies are done to death and they lack the aforementioned synergy. It really depends on whether FW decide to riff on the space hulk vibe or not.

>>51167848
Yes, I was thinking of Space hulk

>>51167848
Death Company then.
>Meh, legion termies are done to death
Deathstar Termies are, Termie squads with an assault cannon each aren't. :^)

>>51167721
>>51167681
Achean is not for a special unit. I spoke with Israel last year, the upgrade kit is purely a work of passion from him.

As he said, he wanted to make the iconic Achaen set but FW said no because it would cost more than the other legions' due to the shoulder pads.

So once he got the basic upgrades out of the way, he asked again and he got the green light. In his own words, it's there for whatever you want.

>>51167681
Achean looks far better IMO. Also it works well on both Mk III and IV plastics, impressively.

>>51168032
Any word from those passionate IW modelers?

>>51168072
lmao sorry. I tried asking all of the artists that were there but none had any details on them.

>>51168100
>lmao sorry
I guess that's what the actual IW artists would have said anyway.

>>51168072
They are too busy jacking off too Sanguinius.

>>51168268
Isn't Magnus next Primarch?

>>51163102
Redpill me on red legions. Which is the best red legion? Which is the reddest legion? Which legions should be redder? Which legion became red better? Were the Thousand Sons wrong to become blue?

>>51168462
Yes, but we have heard more about Sangy's model than Magnus.

>>51168861
>Which is the best red legion?
Blood Angels
>Which is the reddest legion?
Blood Angels
>Which legions should be redder?
World Eaters, if they're doing it right
>Were the Thousand Sons wrong to become blue?
Always. Fastah>lucky.

>>51168861
So, Ahriman got bluepilled?

>>51168905
No. Becoming blue is the real redpill.
By becoming blue they move closer to the perfection of the Ultramarines.

>>51168861
>Which is the best red legion?
World eaters.
>Which is the reddest legion?
World eaters, once they've been fighting.
>Which legions should be redder?
World eaters, before they've been fighting.
>Which legion became red better?
World eaters.
>Were the Thousand Sons wrong to become blue?
No, those filthy psykers don't deserve to wear crimson.

>>51166891
Don't forget the white scar ap2 sword, seems like everything went down after the ultramarines started the trend of "ap2 weapon at initiative for no drawback".

>>51169041
But anon, it's two-handed :^)

>>51163902
How do these generally perform for you and in what role?

I am still planning to build up to a HoO IW list and I was thinking 3 squads of tacs in rhinos was the only way to do it. That or 2 in rhinos with 1 blob in back to hold an objective/bubble wrap stuff.

>>51166320
Iron Warriors not being best buds with the Astra, even though they had one of the largest imperial forces "partnered" with a legion.

>>51166791
Um., I am pretty sure you are retarded or at least stating things badly.

Infantry models can fire emplaced weapons, like the one that can come with an aegis, so your statement is false.

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>>51169382
To be fair, Iron Warriors have pretty much the same respect for basic soldiers' lives as Zapp Brannigan. They have about the same level of tactical nous too.

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>>51166891

>>51166320
Maun cant take anyone with his transports he can buy because theyre DTs for him

The funky interceptor on the augery scanner

>>51166450
Part of the reason Mor Deythen rend, not become ap2 like sniper, is that they carry special ammo for all thier weapons. Their marksmen abilities are what twinlinks, their ammo is what causes rending.

Sniper vets have no excuse however.

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>>51169382
How can you be best friends with the ammunition?

>>51169472
Oh yeah, they use the astra as cannon fodder. However, having the rules of being best buds with them would allow for more synergy. I mean, they flew around with full Astra armies for a reason, they take bullets like a champ.

>>51166320
Fucking Iron Circle. The fact that they cannot deepstrike/telaport is a slap in the face when they do this in fucking every appearance in the fluff.

>>51164926
How about stop posting you fag

>>51169041
Fuck those axes and glaives were a mistake. Scythes are barely acceptable now.

>>51165259
I want lightning fists so bad

>>51166450
I like the idea that DG sniper vets are using some super nasty chemical flamer. Shredding sniper Flamers for the win... Gets Hot! Makes it balanced guis!

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i'm working on 20x breachers for my thousand sons, would you think there is something weird if you saw these shields with the weird scarab icons?

i'm debating getting 20 of the rightmost shields and playing with decals, or geting the assortment... but there's something a smidge odd about them

>>51169610
Never really bothered by the axes. The glaives have me a bit more worried however.

So since I've got the tartaros terminators from PoB, I figured I should find an HQ in tartaros to join them. Any good options out there that will allow for easy customization?

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>>51169670
They look fine to me design wise, the 3D rendering just makes them very vibrant. I'd use all but the one without the TS symbol on it, but that's just my preference.

Does this source of yours have other Legion bits?

>>51169801
>Does this source of yours have other Legion bits?
shit loads.

http://www.shapeways.com/shops/popbits?section=%7C+Legions+of+the+Heresy&s=0

shields, pads, cataphractii shoulder covers, vehicle bits, etc.

and good call on the one without the symbol, i'd entirely missed it.

Mk 4 for Dark Angels?

>>51166891
you even put the stupid compass chest thing on lol.

>>51167928
>stormshield and assault cannons

I want it.

>>51169853
Let us know how it works. They have some nice looking stuff but i have learned not to buy bits until i see them on actual models

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>>51170219
seems aright?

>>51169868
>Not giving the prideful First access to the newest coolest gear
Horus knew his plans would be exposed if he flubbed it that bad.

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>>51169853
Many thanks anon. The EC range isn't very large, but it'll come in handy for adding flavor to my Marines.

>>51170313
only thing is I'm worried about a weird surface texture, so I messaged the guy and now just waiting ona(hole) reply

>>51169473
You're magnificent, anon. I'm saving this one. Where's this even from and how was it made anyway?

>>51169475
>theyre DTs for him
You can bring people with him. As long as he (and his unit) begins the game embarked in that transport it's alright

>>51170259
Looks pretty damn solid.

>>51169671
Perhaps you'd be bothered by a full unit equipped with those? Because, like InvictaREEEEEE, the Scars no doubt will have a glaive jetbike unit.
Guaranteed.

Speaking of: How are Breachers? I mostly play small games/ZM, and I love the idea of Breachers, but I have no clue how they actually perform.

>>51170432
>I mostly play small games/ZM
They're nice in those, considering close combat and templates are deadlier, not to mention mere bolter porn sometimes just isn't enough.

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>>51170397
On the other hand, there's this? But this seems to be an older material

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>>51168967
>Blue is redpill for perfection
>Red + Blue = Purple

Mind perfectly blown.

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>>51170587
What about yellow?

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>>51170682
The color of piss.

>>51170556
It might just be a different material. Shapeways offers different materials for certain products, so those might've been done in a solid plastic, while the majority of his work appears to be done in frosted translucent plastic.

>>51170730
That's the malevolent marines you're thinking of.

>>51170747
It looks primed

>>51170730
Everything is the colour of piss if you take the right (or wrong) thing, ya heretic

>>51170791
This is heresy. Yellow is the colour of piss, that is why it is favoured by Emperor Trump and used on his Imperial Fists. Light gold AKA metallic piss is used by the Custodes, and is the color of his Palace.

Further evidence of piss being the Imperial color is that none of the traitors use it as their primary color.

>>51170791
I want tartan coloured piss, any EC help me out?

>>51170964
Drink so much toothpaste you piss blue, white ;^) and green, then make a cut on your dick so a red line is added to the piss.
Do it fagget

>>51171043
B-but mister bile says he wants my pee-pee intact for next post-battle session.

>>51170432
I run two fifteen breacher squads + apothecary both in ZM and regular gaming. I think they're a solid unit, just got to cater your list around them.

>>51170387
RAW no, only units that purchased the DT can begin embarked on it. Even if Maun is attached that unit still cant embark.

I mean no one is really going put up a big stink about it but still

How are Support Squads? The IH ones look ded Killy, and Alpha Legion can fuck people up with them, but are they all-around good? And if not, do they fill a specific role well enough to take?

>>51171379
I'm so scared of taking them. So expensive for a 3+.

>>51171369
It says "it can only carry the unit it was selected with (plus any ICs that have joined it)"
I would let you interpret that as "and viceversa", considering for gameplay purposes they're a single unit.
I mean, Decima is another IC that has a DT.

Shhh, no more lawyering, anon. Just embark, let it happen ;^)

>>51171379
You mean Tactical Support or Heavy Support? They behave very differently, all because of Relentless.

>>51163665
Yeah but the squad in a Rhino is more likely to get in range, and Rhinos are great for blocking charges (especially in pairs).

Tactical squads are good value, but you're probably putting too many points into a barely-mobile back line.

>>51163844
No. I don't think any legion can; Iron Hands have a RoW that lets 10-man squads take Land Raiders as dedicated transports, but not Spartans.

>>51166320
>I am Nathaniel Garro, Hand of the Sigilite. On a mission from Malcador himself. I require transport.
>Fuck off m8, read the sign. Fists only.
>Malcad-
>Get rekt m8 *drives off*

>>51166300
A lot of people will let you. It's like Cassian Dracos - they forgot to let him take a drop pod too. Looks more like an oversight.

>>51171642
Someone hasn't read Hand of the Emperor.

This kind of thing happens. Jurisdiction arguments between the Imperial Fists and the other agencies of the Emperor is not pleasant.

>>51169041
Unlike the BA Sword of Perdition, the WS glaive isn't better than a Paragon Blade. It's still a great upgrade for sergeants and other minor characters, but not for the dudes doing the most cutting.

>>51171642
Wait Knights Errant pretty much can't ride transports?
It makes no sense!

As for other Sworn Brothers embarking on each others transports, now that I'm fine with.

Only that I want Erasmus Golg embarked in a Spartan with Red Butchers, so I'm not fine with it

>>51171546
Im all about it. It just anon requested nonsensical rules and i provided

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>>51171689
>WS glaive isn't better than a Paragon Blade
It is better than a Sentinel Blade, King of Swords.
Had the White Scars and Ultramarines lend their AP2 I4 weapons to the fight, the Webway would have been re-taken :^)

>>51171379
i wish taking graviton guns on support squads was worth it, considering how easy it is to kill power armour

>>51171379
Volkite guys are great and tend not to get slaughtered immediately. It's the anti-tank (melta) or anti-2+ (plasma) guys that do their job and then get killed, especially if they're in drop pods. Which is often still worth it.

>>51171731
Take them on boxdreads!

How about this?

Sworn Brothers should be able to ride in transports so long as the transport contains a non-IC unit from the legion who the transport "belongs" to. So for everything but super-heavies, you can't mix-and-match legion passengers willy-nilly, and it's just the odd IC who gets to tag along in the transport with the guys who the transport was built for.

>>51170360
Stolen web pictures and photoshop.
The original made me spit-take, so I felt I owed the creator at least some fan service.

>>51171684
Why?

>>51167389
Pls I hope so. I love jump packs as much as the next BA but we've never had a special terminator.

>>51171852
So, you're saying Sworn Brothers cannot ride each other's transports, but a unit can take with them an IC from the Brother legion?
That's nice.
Why does this sound rape-y? Am I the only one?
>>51171874
>The original made me spit-take
Mission accomplished! Thanks anon. Like I said, saved it.
By the way what's that pic about? I recognize only Ben Affleck

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>>51171960
SHUT UP AND GET IN THE VAN

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>>51171946
>we've never had a special terminator.
I think Amit has a Terminator suit? Still, normal power armour would suit him better, even if it's inferior.
He probably doesn't care.

>>51171684
>BL
Well theres your first mistake

>>51171694
>Wait Knights Errant pretty much can't ride transports
Nope. Its really dumb

>>51172000
>Faux Devourers all armed with chainfists
Rip and tear until it's done

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>>51171997
GET IN, AXEMAN! THE SCATTER DICE CARE NOT WHO YOU ARE.

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>>51172036
>Yfw he's going in without lube so you understand why they call him "Flesh Tearer"
Wew lad

>>51171960
Fairly certain that's Chris Evans laughing it up and the Affleck pick is from his sad batman vs superman interview.

I guess it's a preemptive joke about the failure of the Justice League film in comparison to the Avengers?

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>>51171960
>By the way what's that pic about? I recognize only Ben Affleck
During an interview, when asked a Tumblr-tier fanfiction "shipping" question about Black Widow, Jeremy Renner just said deadpan "she's a slut" and Chris Evans burst out laughing next to him, thus the meme was born.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7oMcFupuL78

I'm sure you're aware of the origin of "sad Affleck", an interview about Batman v Superman.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wtfoRESVir0

>>51171694
>>51172010
At least they deep strike pseudo invisible without scatter.

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Already braced for autism
Here's a Lightning Primaris proxy I've been working on. I decided to work with the Stormhawk/Talon kit first as a test, partially because it was cheaper and partially because I got more bits out of it too. While it doesn't have the swept wings like the Voss (which I'm not even a fan of, I preferred the original), I think some additions to the wings and a tail extension makes it look like a halfway decent jet fighter. Lascannons and missiles are mounted, and I have the nose gun magnetized for an optional TL Autocannon.

>>51172189
NO

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Update on my Tacticals. Decided to do one armour plate in hazard stripes for each squad. Only weapons and bases to go.

>>51172189
My autism is not triggered. "Different patterns something something not mass produced", etc. Enjoy it.

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>>51172189
>Not using FW approved models

Bligh-dono-sempai will never love you.

>>51172189
Looks awesome, give it a lovely paint job.

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My friend and I just got back from lunch and during the meal we were talking about TF2 characters as the different legions. It brought us endless amusement and I thought I'd share it with you.

Pyro
>Post Istvaan Shattered Legion traitor
>Mphphphphph Vulkan Lives)!

Engie
>Imperial Fist techmarine constructing the defences at Terra.
>An Iron Warrior runs towards his fortification only to have his leg blown off by a mine. "How'd that plan work out for ya, dummy?"

Le Spy
>Alpha Legion
>"He could be you, he could be me, he could even be-"

Heavy
>Iron Warrior Tyrant Siege with an assault cannon he stole at Phall
>Entire Imperial Fist legion eez babez.

Sniper
>Raven Guard Mor'Dethyan
>"I think his mate saw me... Yes, yes he did."

Scout
>Emperor's Children
"Do you have any idea who I am?" "I'm a freakin blur here."

Soldier
>Iron Hand
>You are all weak. You are all bleeders!"

Demoman
>Son of Horus
>Fiercely independent, demoknight can circle the enemy before tearing the heart from them.
>"Freeeeeedoooooom!"

Medic
>Night Lord Apothecary
>"And when he awoke, the patient's skeleton was missing, and the doctor was never heard from again!"

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>>51172189
Warhammer airplanes have no radome? WTF?

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>>51172266
That's alright. I've already accepted the fact that I will never love again.

>>51172276
>Tyrant Siege
fuck off, dave from MWG

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>>51172313
The only faction in 40k that has even remotely aerodynamic aircraft are the Eldar. Everything else flies by virtue of raw power, or some manner of techno-sorcery.

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>>51172276
>>Entire Imperial Fist legion eez babez.
Kek.
But you got one wrong.
The Demoknight is a Word Bearer, the scum of the earth :^)

>>51172179
This makes them usable in normal games. If you put the pedal to the metal the quad tou want him in will be far up field and you can join him to them perfectly by the time he arrives.

>>51172224
Looks pretty good Germanbro.

>>51172224
They're beautiful apart from the eyes. Afraid you've overdone the glow somewhat.

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Daily Reminder

>>51172430
>quad tou
Dont know how autocorrect got that. How badly did i have to buycher "metal"?

>>51172442
It's looks a lot thicker and overdone due to the damn truetone flash of my phone. I'll try to improvise a lightbox when they are finished.

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>>51172451
>buycher
Fuck meeeee

Well heres a not!kharybdis i saw on fb

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>>51172420
>Everything else flies by virtue of raw power, or some manner of techno-sorcery.
Right, how could I forget

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>>51172448
All of my Keks. Let's keep this up for all other legions.

>>51172412
I'm not familiar with this meme, brother

>>51172224
very nice

>>51172224
Unless those are for ZM in dark passageways, you're overdoing the eye lighting. They look great otherwise.

>>51172276
IWs to Fists in the Iron Cage - "How'd that plan work out for ya, dummy?

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>>51172498
Those are mine, too and irl the eye glow looks a lot more dimmed

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>>51172481
Kek.
You know, for all the work, time and money spend on doing that tower of Drop Pods...would it be easier to actually buy the fucking Kharybdis?
>>51172448
Kek.
Then again, free Stormshields are quite the bait.
What about Stormshield Tartaros, would you like that one? ;^)

>>51172611
Those double fists are so fucking sexy. I really wish that was more of a thing.

>>51172611
Are these the not!lightning claws? Should really sharpen the fingers or something at least

>>51172496
dave from MWG always refers to tyran siege terminators and tyrant siege beccause he's apparently too fucking lazy to say terminator and it triggers the shit out of me

>>51172634
>You know, for all the work, time and money spend on doing that tower of Drop Pods...would it be easier to actually buy the fucking Kharybdis?
Thats what i thought but he got the pods for less than half a kharybdis. So who knows.

Fucking resin pods man. So expensive

>>51172638
I could never stand the way LCs looked and the optional ones finally gave me the chance to get rid of them. :^)

>>51172672
They look great! However, as >>51172645
said you really need to do something to the models to distinguish them. Those are 100% powerfists.

>>51172645
This will not happen.

>>51172611
>one set of energised melee weapons (lightning claws) are blue
>other energised melee weapons (power swords) are green
This triggers the autist. By which I mean me.

>>51163157
Make Tartarus +20 points for the squad like jump packs should have been

>>51172704
I just wanted some variation, and there is so much different tech around I doubt it would be all the same, but i get your point.

>>51163209
Let him in, just near the back so if the engine breaks he can fix it

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>>51172498
>>51172611
>Eyes too bright
NO SUCH THING

>>51172703
Well then fuck you. You know about the autism in this thread and yet you insist on being a cunt. Having bad looking liughtning claws is the tax you pay for not picking Cataphractii

>>51172699
Checked and my way to dustinguish them will be telling my opponent that the blue powerfists are LCs. And if i have to wear a sign around my neck to clarify it during games, I allways hated the look of LCs.

>>51172756
I am the bitterest of them all and stand over the autism that floods these threads.

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>>51172638
I agree, they fucking are.
>>51172611
But this is 30k. You had the chance to use the Finger-lightning claw pattern, iconic of this millenium that chaos boys will steal.
I mean, look at them.
You can't do jazz hands with wolverine-patterns.

>>51172748
And if he refuses to give up his seat to the superior yellow master race, Russ will drag him to Terra in chains!

>>51172788
Nah, you just a faggot. I am a bitter anon as well and you disgust me.

I am almost surprised by my anger towards you. I don't even care about mixing armor marks. But you. you deserve a special place in hell. One where you fight nothing but armies using different weapons thn what they are modeled with. Just remember, the red power swords are actually power fists.

I love how the guy with really good painting skills gets jumped on just as mercilessly as people who post thicc or tabletop.
Never change you glorious motherfuckers

>>51172611
mount the combi bolter on the top of the bodies
or on one of the fists like a grey knight

>>51172809
Nah, sure I could have, but I didn't want to. It's not what I consider pleasing to the eye.

>>51172809
>>51172814
Honestly, I'd have just taken the finger claw models from cataphracti and cut and remodel them onto the tartaros arms

>>51172821
The hate is where I get my motivation from.

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>>51172821
>Iron Warriors
>Good painting skills

>>51172821
Just proof that you can be retarded in modeleing besides being a bad painter. Those things are painted wonderfully, it is unfortunate that such a fucking faggot has learned how to paint well.

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>>51172821
Pretty much.
Those IWs look damn gorgeous, and boxing termies are what I'd do if I had a termie suit myself
>>51172848
Ok, I just wanted to make sure you knew the option was there.
Steely banners and Serried ranks, brother!

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>>51172814
>>51172756

>>51172839
This would actually give me some more flexibility, never thought about it, but I may consider it.

>>51172891
I shall calm down after tracking you down and killing you with a rusty spoon

>>51172611
Everyone else is stupid, these are fine.

>>51172611
It's okay anon!

Look, your mom thinks you did a great job! >>51172922

>>51172888
If I get my hands on a few cheap squads I'm gonna paint some Cathaphractii... And cut the claws of the LCs, just to piss off /tg/

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>>51172896
>never thought about it
Anon I'm defending you and then you tell me you didn't consider mounting the combi-weapons on top of the armour like Tyrant Siege ______ wannabes?
Kek, have you no dakka?

>>51172969
I'm more of a melee guy, as you can see by my Terminator loadout

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>>51172968
Absolutely disgusting.

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>>51172949
You're a nigger but you were too much of a pussy to cry "samefag" because you knew you were wrong.

Though I question why I'm bothering to reply to obvious bait.

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Glad to see more bitter boys in this thread!

>>51173004
That was his mom posting, not him. Is reading comprehension literally that hard?

>>51173013
Those are very sexy, but please drill the barrels.

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>>51172638
Me too, brother. Me too...

>tfw no option to take dual power fists like dual claws are taken

>>51172750
The glow on the faceplate is what's too extensive. it'd only look like that in the dark.

>>51172699
They're fine.

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>>51173044
Don't worry, some of the 20 painted ones do! I'll be drilling the rest all together once more get painted.

>>51173073
>They're fine.

Okay let me dig deep into my bad for this.
They're not fine.

>>51171906
Because each person is taking orders from someone with the emperors authority. The one story he's pointing to the custodes were given absolute authority inside the imperial palace and a detachment of Fist were given orders from Dorn, who had the authority to do whatever he wanted to do to the palace, to fly a giant atmospheric construction plate over the place. Both were within their rights but stepped on each others toes which isn't a good thing between two very militant orders.

>>51173013
>>51173079
Fuck, those look amazing. Great job grabbing the IH upgrade chest piece, as all IW players should.

>>51173072
>not giving the eagle pepe's face
One job.

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>>51173079
This is damn fine
How do you make these?

>>51173079
That shield is sexy as fuck.
How do you find applying the FW Brass? I've been thinking about using liquid green stuff to make it look like it's bonded to the material.

Also, do you find that the smallest Iron Warrior symbols are fucking useless because you can't get them off the sprue without the spindly "grille" of the skull coming apart, if they even came attached to begin with?
They should have made it without the gaps in the middle, just make it one whole piece of brass and have the lines be present from an indentation, rather than how they are.

>>51173105
Who do you think Pepe is?

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>>51173111
I'm unsure what part you mean. Most of them are plastics, Iron Hands bodies here and there for spice, Death Guard torsos for spice, Iron Hands/Warriors heads for yet more spice.

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>>51173132
I managed to use some of the tiniest on one of my (unpainted) Deredeos, but yes, the tiny brass skulls are a bastard to not destroy cutting them free. Otherwise attaching them isn't too bad but yeah as seen on the shield there can be slight gaps.

>>51173135
>>51173164
Saving all your dudes. Great job man! I had the same idea about muxing in DG and IH parts and it is amazing to see how well you got it to work!

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>>51173190
This may save you time, my plog - http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/topic/328717-iron-within-iron-without-iron-shake-it-all-about/

Cheers man. Got so much left to paint.

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>>51173220
>iron-within-iron-without-iron-shake-it-all-about/

>>51173220
>Danger diaper

>>51173220
>http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/topic/328717-iron-within-iron-without-iron-shake-it-all-about/
oh wow, you are the dude with the cool plack on your Leviathan and another anon who is smart enough to use the IW skull masks to fill a badass squad.

>>51173279
It's fair warning man. In the trenches, anything goes.

>>51173300
I'm the dude with a painted talon of Leviathans and the sad knowledge that they'll never see play at once without being cripplingly expensive.

Hi guys, looking to move from 40k to 30k, what book(s) do i need if i want to look to do a 30k mechanicum army?

>>51172703
Theres an acceptable amount as count-as

>model/bit does not exist
>particular units gear can change drastically
>fighting a foe that your normal special weapons arent meant for

Then theres
>im going to use fists as lightning claws with no intention to put forth the effort to make them look the part whatsoever

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>>51172489
>>51172448
Barely edited

>>51173329
>and the sad knowledge that they'll never see play at once without being cripplingly expensive

Oh so the same feel of buying Iron Circle?

>>51173368
Terminators cannot legally be armed with twin powerfists, so what they are should be apparent given that they're the base of lightning claws anyway.

>>51173368
>>im going to use fists as lightning claws with no intention to put forth the effort to make them look the part whatsoever

I'm not that guy, but all you need to do to fluff that is "the power fists are stripped down/have their field generator lowered so that they're faster to use at the price of being as weak as lightning claws".

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>>51173382
I own a single Iron Circle. I wish, for as cool as it looks, that it wasn't effectively a paperweight.

Also for those inclined who'd like a base image to mess with, pointy man.

>>51173368
It's a contious decision I made not to modify the fists except for their paintjob because it's pleasing me how they look with double fists. If I could play double fists I would only because I like the look of it.

>>51173391
They can't take lascannons either but if I put lascannons on them, claiming they were autocannons or havoc launchers, others would be annoyed when playing against me.

You need to recognize that you are being a lazy cunt and either do something about it or accept it and stop denying it.

>>51173409
>Now listen here, ya scatter dice...
The IHs steal our warcry, so we steal their minis. Fitting.

>>51173409
>Now listen here you little shit.

>>51173334
Really just one:
THE HORUS HERESY - MECHANICUM: TAGHMATA ARMY LIST

Though the black campaign books have a lot of fluff, and book 4 has a campaign system. I think the red book (the one above) includes the missions from the black books but maybe not the ones from book 6.

Can I build a decent Blood Angels Force out of two B@C boxes?

>>51173409
I am fucking obsessed with the termy/tac mashup marines you have made. They look amazing!

>>51173482
>No assault

No.

>>51173432
There's so much wrong with this post.

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>>51173432
>but if I put lascannons on them
I want Custodian terminators to have Lascannons as their heavy weapon options, like Gorgons get graviton guns, Lernean get conversion beamers and others get asscannons.
Also, it's not like he is using unpainted minis or stuff.
>Power fists will never count as lightning claws no matter how well painted they are, and any effort in that particular direction is wrong.
That's like, your opinion, man.

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>>51173504
Have you seen Doghouse's thread where I got the tutorial from? Anon posted a link a while back, but here - http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/topic/327755-heresy-iron-warriors-wip-40k-imperial-fists-101216/

>>51173404
>despite having no blades to actually be AP3
>imma finger ya to death m8
What are we? EC?

Using as a power maul i get. Its just blunt metal with a powerfield. But AP3 and shred? Nah

One should put forth the effort when using bits to make other stuff. Its just being a good sport. Not being a lazy dick that has aesthetic issues. Which is unexpected from IWs...

Plus you cant take them to events either.

>>51173554
You are really mad buddy.

>>51173602
Merely disappointed.

>>51173524
There are things painting cant fix. This is where it is your job to modify the model a bit. Then paint it however you want.

>>51173552
I had not seen that before. Thank you for the resource anon!

>>51173380
KEK, we need MORE.

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Why are BA fuckin broken...
I hate their assault cannon spam.

>>51173867
The assualt cannons will probably be FAQed or changed at some point to limit what it can be taken on. If it were any other company the FAQ would have already come out.

The stupid OP sword may not be going anywhere tho.

>>51173867
>Theoretical broken thing that no one does
REEEEEEEEE

>>51173602
Dissapointed. This must be how perty felt

>>51173867
Do BA players actually spam assault cannons though?

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>>51173687
I think this might be the best, if only because the original van was perfect.

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>>51173687

>>51173921
I've played against Assault Cannon spam. It literally doesn't do shit. Fishing for 6s is shit.

>>51173930
>Flat tires
This is just perfect.
Where we're going we don't need tires

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>>51173554
>>despite having no blades to actually be AP3
Except it's established in the lore that the power field is what makes power weapons stronger than regular weapons.
And the fact that it doesn't have to be a blade to be AP3. Like I said, it's just punching, but less strong and hefty than a full-powered single power fist. The fact that it's a power-fist sized generator, and that there are two of them, is more than enough to justify AP3 Shred, rather than just power maul stats.

>>51173867
Umm, Mr Sanguinius sir, your van is broken...

>>51173951
Go figure, /HHG/ lacking basic gamesense

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>>51173921
yes they do

(his army looks really good tho)

>>51173956
Careful you dont pull something reaching that far.

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>>51173220
>that link title

>>51173898
What sword?

>>51174203
Both swords: the lightsabre and the sword of double wounding

>>51174251
Lightsaber is more of a meme than anything. 40 points that could be spent on something else.

Blade of perdition is a little cheap, but not that bad. Salamander praetors are still better.

>>51174290
>40 points
50 my man

>>51173898
They're not that great. You still get to save against them.

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Regular Breadanon returns with an early bread and Russian history >>51174666

Best legion for building out of 2 B@C?

>>51174678
Sadly it's written in vodka

>>51174728
any

>>51173220
its this shit that makes me paranoid to build my BoP box bc im afraid ill find conversions i LOVE but ill be too far in my build to go back and make them

Best way to build Ultramarines? I'm thinking shit ton of rhinos and msu?

>>51174728
Iron warriors.

What would be the best way to represent Oddyseus as an Ultramarine? I almost want to say he wouldn't be a praetor.

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>>51173987

...isn't that too many tanks for Blood Angels to take in 30k?

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>>51163102
>Current year
>Not masturbating to your future primess
>Not running state of the art simulations to ensure that you can please her when she calls upon you for bed warming