Horus Heresy General /hhg/

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First For the IVth!

Obligatory countdown to Inferno.

24 Days.

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>>51174699
That guy looks like he's been through some things.
>>51174736
It will be here before this happens.

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Assault Van never ends.

>>51174728
Night Lords if you build the tacs as Terror Squads. I'd recommend getting some Volkite Charger resin kits for that.

Alpha Legion works too. Both of those legions have mobility boosts that helps them function without transports.

Emperor's Children miiiight work since Maru Skara gives you outflank, and that works well for big shooty units even if they're slow. But you'd have to buy a lot of other stuff, like fast units for your Open Hand.

Death Guard and Iron Warriors players keep trying to play footsloggers without having infiltrate or outflank. That's easily countered and not as fun, imo, and Mk IV doesn't look right for them anyway.

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>>51174666
>666
Can't wait for the Inferno

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Where do your "your dudes" legionnaires hail from?

My command echelon is spread from all over Terra, save a few of the younger consuls, and the rank-and-file come from all over.

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>>51174766
Can you not see the English?

>>51174822
I meant "vodka" as in "drunk".
It's written in drunk. Even actual drunk, aka portuguese, is easier to read.

>>51174811
I didn't ask to be Satan.
>>51174843
It's probably fitting then, Anon.
>Portuguese
What do you got against them?

Looking for a good Praetor model in Tartaros armor. I'm not seeing any characters in Tartaros on FW's site.

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>>51174877
You are tonight's designated Satan, take this:
>BoP's Paint guide
http://imgur.com/a/aBKJE

>What have you got against them?
It simply sounds like drunken spanish :^)

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>>51174884

Thanks, though there's always the option of buying more, right?

Hey anons, is there any significance to the black helmeted color scheme on the Word Bearer in the BaC book? I have HH5, and it's not in there, nor does it describe it's meaning either. And in HH5, no tactical markings and such like the Ultrmarines or other legions are listed either?

I'm sort of confused on this.

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>>51175055
Maybe it's some sort of squad/company/chapter markings? Like how the regular WB asked "why are the Serrated Suns red?"

>>51174988
Al, they're just a diet Spain but with flags that tell folks what they think of kebab.

>>51175081
I dunno. So far it seems like WB are the only legion who don't use any tactical markings whatsoever, which is the odd part. I'd post a picture if I can, but I can't find any and I'd rather not take one with my phone.

>>51174814
My expeditionary fleet has an above average number of the OG Terran recruits mixed in with all the Baalite youngsters

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>>51175093
>flags that tell folks what they think of kebab
What flags?

Also, XVIth thread.
Luna Wolves or Sons of Horus?

>>51175144
>tfw your Primarch dies and your legion is afflicted with the curse of Black Rage, but you never notice because you were surrounded by Terrans to begin with

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If I could use gimp and had my computer I could do a Wake me up inside edit for the IH.

>>51175081
If only I could freehand that well.

>>51175173
They both have baller color schemes, but I think SoH are better.

>>51175031
>truescale is just a terminator chest and legs

Lazy af familius

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>>51175190
Meanwhile, have this one.

>>51175198
It is not meant to be truescale and never was. It just looks fucking awesome.

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>>51175178
Anon, terrans suffered the Red Thirst the most because back then Sanguinius wasn't there to stabilize the geneseed.
And after Horus punched Sanguinius so hard all his family felt it, terrans weren't spared the Black Rage either.

>>51175221
He's a big guy.

>>51175236

Terran version of anything is better than the non-Terran version. Dusk Raiders, War Hounds, Heralds of Truth, and ESPECIALLY Ultramarines and Raven Guard. Brutal barbarian Ultramarines? What?

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>>51175107
They do have Chaplain and Tactical icons, but mostly they use Colchisian runes, hidden burning lore and presumably standard Principia Belicosa icons?

>>51175173
I personally am leaning toward SOH because I like the various things I can do with the gang member aesthetic they have. LW would be easier, but I am delaying painting until I have AT LEAST another 50 hours of painting models under my belt so I might as well aim high.

>>51175239
>He's a big guy.
We make em big in the IV legion, boy!

Seriously tho i love the look of his marines done like that. I would do it in a heartbeat if it did not require parts from so many models (poor fag) and did not then make me want to upscale everything in the army

>>51175267
Actually, since that's listed under 'The Legion of Old', and has the stone grey colors rather than the black, we can assume that's there for historical purposes.

Also, I REALLY wish that the Black Comets had their own transfer sheets.

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>>51175055
Don't know what book you're talking about, but I've seen people give their WB veterans black helmets.

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>>51175213
Alread have it.
>>51175173
This one for example. Took me forever to find it. As for your other question Moon Wolves.

>>51175328
The EC and regular renegades sure did have interesting color schemes back in the day.

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>>51175316
Oh man just wait till I've made the full unit of 10 when parts come in. Going to get an original Rhino for the Bitter Boy Clown Car.

Did the World Eaters have anywhere in particular they recruited from after finding Angron?

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>>51175334
I laughed louder than I thought I was going to.
Kebab is nice as a taco
>>51175322
Hmm you're right.
So they went from Colchisian glyphs to Hidden Lore, and they also use Galifreyan-esque on their armours.
Random gibberish to the uninitiated, an explicit statement for the faithful to Lorgar's new creed.
So WB tactical markings are mostly runestuff.
>>51175264
>Terran version of anything is better than the non-Terran version
Most of the time, yes.
I like how the Barbaran DG see Mortarion as their messiah or sorts.
But War Hounds and specially Imperial Heralds, damn.
I wish there was an Imperial Herald character, not unlike Endryd.
Also, Pale Nomads a best.

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>>51175454
From many worlds, but most notably not Nuceria.
Bodt was a muster-training world.
Was.

>>51175420
I guess a "true scale" Rhino would be as big as a Land Raider

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>>51175477
Why did you laugh?

>>51175408
This is the first time I've seen a grox.

>>51175589
I did not expect it to be so explicit, it took me by surprise.
And I happen to find most kinds of exaggeration funny.
Also, I'm a tiny bit fucked up: watching Saving Private Ryan as a kid wasn't the smartest idea.

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>>51175629
The Portuguese aren't shy about showing their history of removing Moors.

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>>51175500
I take it that's the training?

>>51174988
>recommending Averland Sunset as-is for the Iron Warrior hazard stripes
Nope. In my experience, unaltered Averland Sunset is orange, and that's over white. I made the mistake as a noob of putting it over Imperial Primer, and it looked orange-brown, not even a light orange, a dark orange.

A lot of their legions are too bright in my opinion:
>Alpha Legion But still canon-appropriate.
>Space Wolves Fine if you want them to look more like 40k Wolves though, it's just my subjective preference to have them more grey than blue.
>Word Bearers Khorne Red is the colour to use, not Mephiston, particularly jarring when two other legions use Mephiston.
>Salamanders Just my preference again.
>Imperial Fists Imperial Bananas more like

Death Guard are a bit too brown as well for my liking.
The bright palette of whoever (St Duncan?) made this guide makes the black and white legions look great though, and the Ultramarines and EC look nice too.

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Can I get a bash on my list for 2000 pts?
Emperors children
3rd company elites

Praetor = PB/DL/IH/SS/MB

1 apothecary
10 palatine - SS/5PS/MB

3x6 kakophony- rhino/multimelta

1 storm Eagle- CS
1 lightening - 6 kraken missilw/ground tracking/servicer
3 javalins

3 sky hunter jet bikes-3MM

>>51175328
The booklet that comes with BaC.

>>51175420
> every truescale marine is secretly alpharius

>>51175726
Looks decent though I would swap the Kakos and the Rite of War for Maru Skara and get the Palatine+Storm Eagle+Lighting arrive on turn 2.

>>51175673
But Saint Duncan of the Two Thin Layers says to use Mephiston, and Mephiston it shall be!

>>51175726
You mean Sky Slayer jetbikes (heavy support).

Not sure the Kakophony need Rhinos, since their weapons are heavy and long-ranged. The list lacks staying power though. You'll either win big or get tabled a lot of the time.

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>he runs one of the other seventeen legions but doesn't have one modelled as you-know-who

>>51175882
Row gives them relentless

>>51175801
I could swap them out for 3x 10 tacts with upgraded Sgt and rhino with mm

What are some good counts as for Gal Vorbak?

>>51176091
Alpharius

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>"Sadly, the /HHG/ dream is dead. But if I get released, I will bring it back, bigger and better than ever."

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>>51176785
Please stop taunting us. Let us dream.

>>51175988

I WOULD SWAP THEM OUT FOR ULTRAMARINES BECAUSE THEY ARE THE BEST CHAPTER.

>>51176785
>we're gonna build a Webway and make Magnus pay for it

>actually it'll just be a big throne nvm

>>51176896

>we're going to build a wall of fortified planets around the Eye
>okay guys we built Cadia and all and the rest of the wall will just be border posts and some barb wire

>>51174984
Halp, I need a leader for my army. Are there no characters in Tartaros armor? Even a named character I could convert would be nice.

>>51177016

Son, you missed out on that one a long, long time ago.

>>51177016
Which legion?

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>>51176091
>What would be the best way to represent Oddyseus as an Ultramarine? I almost want to say he wouldn't be a praetor.
Are you sure you don't want him to be a Praetor? The UMs have the Praetor-exclusive Mantles of Ultramar, artificer suits with inbuilt FnP and Blind-immunity, retrieved STOLEN from a derelict ship (The Argos) floating on the borders of the Seyrn (Syren?) Reach.

Why don't you tell me what do you see in Ulysses that you want to reflect on the battlefield.

>>51177083
Death Guard, but I'll take anything in Tartaros.

>>51177175
>A)
I think the Legion Tribune is a Master of the Legion with a Paragon Blade, Digiweapons, clad in Tartaros Terminator armour and Iron Halo. He's 15pts cheaper than what an equivalent Termie Praetor would be, but lacks a ranged weapon. But I think he was an event character.

>B)
It's so he can roll with the Deathshroud, right?

>>51177175
Use a Deathshroud?

>>51177175
There was one limited edition Tartaros Praetor model. I'd have suggested either Deathshroud or Typhon to convert but I'll assume you already have or plan to get those, in which case I suggest you convert any suitable Cataphractii. Unless you get the limited edition one, which is possible, I found a legit Autillon Skorr on ebay. The only issue is that the guy doesn't look suitably Death Guard, he has scales hanging from pauldrons and has an ugly face so you'd have to get him a helmet.

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>>51177016

Limited edition Praetor Tribune in artificer Tartaros

Best way to rep Oddyseus as an Ultramarine?

>>51177213
I just want him to fit in with my BoP Tartaros unit.

>>51177232
But they're not Tartar sauce.

>>51177249
I may look into recasters and/or eBay then. I'm okay with doing a bit of conversion.

>>51177337
>deathshrouds
>not in tartaros

U dun goof'd.

>>51177169
Oh, hah, Just missed your reply. I want a dude who is more cunning than CHALLENGE!

>>51177370
Alpha Legion Saboteur

>>51177370
A Vigilator, then.

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>>51177249
>>51177277
>>51177337
Speak of the devil I am currently in the throws of painting said tart praetor as well as a couple other HQs for my DG. Piss easy to make him fit in, will go withr my deathshroud or the 5 tarts from BoP

>>51177443
Nice rapey-looking Praetor.
But what will you use the Warpsmith for?

>>51177476
Master of the forge with conversion Beamer coupled with some servitors with rad missile launchers. Made him so I can take the brethren of iron or whatever RoW that gives you some mechanicum units for shits and giggles

>>51177443
>dropper bottles carelessly tossed in the back
>GW bottles proudly displayed in majority of rack

Here's one drawback of dropper bottle brands: they tip over fucking easy.

>>51177277

Limited my ass, the real deal is still available on eBay. Its not even worth the money.

>>51177559
>it's available on eBay and I don't like it, therefore it's not a limited edition

Take your autism and leave.

>>51177559
How can you tell it's not a recast?

And what are the rules again?

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>>51174666
Have you masterbated to female versions of your primarch today? It's the only true way to show devotion to your legion.

>>51177583

If its in the original box or has the original box its probably the real deal.

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>>51177606

Daughters =\= Femprimarchs

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>>51177643
Daughter or femprimarch. My dick doesn't know the difference.

>>51177512
Nah anon I just give no fucks about those bottles because they are almost empties that I have for touch up work. I keep my full bottles next to my airbrush booth with the rest of that kit in the garage.

>>51174988
Thanks anon been looking for this shit.

>>51177606
>Not just masturbating to your Primarch
Yet more proof that the Sons of Horus are the only real legion!

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>>51177827
>>Not just masturbating to your Primarch
Then move aside, baldy

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Night, /hhg/. Have a quote from a man who's have a nightmare if he saw Chaos, Genestealer cults, Tau, or the Alpha Legion.

Speaking of Fulgrim, that story in The Primarchs collection where the captains of his legion torture and interrogate him veered hard into comedic territory somehow, probably because of how absurd the scene was.

>>51178022
Oh that was just the start of HH becoming comedy. That so many memes started from what BL published is because of good reasons.

>muh victory

>>51178022

Fulgrim's original story of being body hijacked by a demon after falling into eternal angst was already pretty gud with the potential of a future redemption story angle. Then they had to create that utterly retarded torture arc where "IT WAS I, FULGRIM, ALL ALONG! I LIKE DICKS AFTER ALL!"

>>51177606
>not having the same stupid bowlcut straight across bangs like the male version

Don't know why people like that hairstyle on women anyway.

>>51178193
It's cute.

>>51177606
Sauce?

>>51178137
They should have kept it to being date raped by Horus.

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>>51177855

Do you any more from this artist

Also if anybody have the picture of Guilliman where he has the just fuck my shit up hair and the text "cut my leading up into pieces this is my last resort"

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>>51178366
Glad someone likes my OC

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>>51178366
It's syber.
Has a tumblr and such.

>>51178387
Thanks I need for a OC of my own.

Also you wouldn't happen headless Ferris Manus

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>>51178418
:^)

>>51178413
>>51178426

Thanks for the help.

>>51178426
>>51178413
>>51178387

Also one last thing.

Sunglasses Magnus the Red.

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>>51178478
The famous Did Nothing Wrong face

>>51177583
Like the other guy said, packaging. Also recasters have less miscasts, kek.

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Get one that describes your legion.
GO

https://frinkiac.com/

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>>51178426
Probably has been done before, but I had to

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>>51178766
I've a couple for different ones but I'm sure if we put our heads :^) together we'll come up with better ones.

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>>51178766
>>51178829

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>>51178766

>>51178137
There have been several turns in BL HH lore that - from an admittedly kind of pretentious angle considering this is wargaming background fluff - were terrible narrative choices.
There's this thing that I can't remember the actual name, but 'opposite choices' will do, when a person makes entirely the completely wrong choice, usually out of a misplaced idea to introduce a twist or avoid 'the obvious'. The problem being that 'the obvious' is the clearly satisfying and more correct route, where a twist introduced for negative reasons almost always ends up with worse results than the more 'obvious' route.

>Fulgrim being un-daemoned in the way he was
>Nemiel being killed the way he was
>Damnation of Pythos' existence
>Almost all of Loken's arc after Isstvan III
>The clusterfuck that is Magnus' warning

There's probably a few more. Dropped plot threads aren't these things, however. They're just abandoned ideas, not botched ones.

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>>51178845

alpha legion

>>51178819
This is a nice adition.

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>>51174800
Am I too late?

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>>51179023

white scars

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>>51179023
Have we been spooked?

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>>51175031
yea but im trying not to sperg out and buy lots of things now, last year i bought so many necrons then sold them when i hated painting the same damn thing and moved to 30k
id post what ive been working on but i dont have a lightbox

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>>51178766

I know it's not quite 30k but did anyone think I Am Slaughter read like complete satire?

I swear that was the most sarcastic dan abnett book I've ever read

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>>51179074
Great.

>another forced memeposting
M O D S
O D S M
D S M O
S M O D

>>51179099
The whole series suffers from the 'make it like HH but with a lower reading level, you know, like most of Space Marine Battles'.

Dan was probably hitting the editorial mandate stuff about then that drove him off, so he probably tried to have as much fun as he could.

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>>51179160
What would you like to talk about then?

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>>51178999
Trips of truth
>>51178982
However I like this one the most.

>>51179179

I thought it was a pretty entertaining book (cant say that about the rest of the series...) partly because the narration is almost comical.

It actually really reminded me of the first space marine novels to come out, those were fucking weird too.

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Perturabo a fatty

>>51179276
You mean like the one short story with the Ultramarine captain who appearently had never seen or heard about Orks before and keeps on wondering about what they are capable of ?

>>51179179

>Dan was probably hitting the editorial mandate stuff about then that drove him off, so he probably tried to have as much fun as he could.

>Hey Dan we need a strong start to our new series, it really needs to have space marines being badass.

>Yeah Imperial fists are badass there's a guy named Slaughter and its ironic because of the reveal
>also I killed the Imperial Fists, fuck you all

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SBs455jwb8w

>>51179188
A shattered legions force. Specifically, Dark Angels and Imperial Fists led by Corswain and Sigismund respectively. Perhaps during the Great Scouring as the Legions Army List should be viable for loyalists up until 021.M31.

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>>51179099
>>51179179
>>51179276
So are you saying they insisted that a book series advancing the plot in a relatively major way had to be written at a less competent level than the other plot-advancing books?

Couldn't they aim for a less verbose audience with a one-off or a series about a smaller chapter in a self-contained theatre in the 40k setting? Or better yet, comics?

>>51179359
And what do you have to say about that?

>>51179345

Or the Imperial Fists who get turned on by their pain gloves

>>51179359

Tbh I wouldn't mind if there was a scouring/beast M31+M32 expansion to the FW game.

Gives them room to make legions astartes rules for all the 2nd founding chapters and for FW gigantic beast orks.

>>51179370
That I'd kick your ass on the table, bitterboy.

>>51179370
Well, not less competent, more...more accessible. I think it's pretty clear some of the books are written to be easier for younger readers.
I mean, I could be talking out of my ass, but as a poncey wank who actually works in writing, I would say the comprehension level and juvenile (not meant as an insult) tone of I Am Slaughter and TBA series, as well as the trade dress, are attempts to meld Space Marine Battles with the Horus Heresy and generate another kind of franchise style for the publishing house.

They could do a comic sure, but GW always want your money. And like
>>51179347
implies, it seems believable that Dan did a mic drop partially to amuse himself, and the editors were cool with it because they a) probably went WOW AWESOME MUCH BADASS and b) knew they had 11 other books and their stable of B and C squad Yes-Men authors to take the series wherever they wanted after the attention grabbing A-list author made waves.

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>>51179414
>Or the Imperial Fists who get turned on by their pain gloves
They do it willingly for a reason

>>51179417
>have to rely on special characters
>meanwhile I can just buy boopy beepies

>>51179470
That makes me very bitter.

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>>51179470

>read anything by David Annandale

>I'll never get that hour back

>>51179526

They do it because of a misplaced sense of stoicism and because of the constant need to remind themselves that they actually lost their Primarch to something as straightforward as a ship boarding action. At least Guilliman had to go toe to toe with a Daemon Primarch while the rest of his smurfs were being overrun by demon spam.

>>51179537
Can't wait for him to do a speedrun wrapping up three or four plots in Ruinstorm by editorial dictat. That won't be a poorly constructed leaden disappointment at all.

Poor HH series, rushing to the end. Oh well, as long as the actual end is satisfying.

>>51179570
>they actually lost their Primarch to something as straightforward as a ship boarding action.
As far as Primarch deaths go that's not very embarrassing.

>there will never be a survival game where you play Rogal Dorn mowing down hordes of Red Butchers until he inevitably gets captured and NOT killed

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>>51179579

>read Sons of Titan

>kinda liked Ben Counters Grey Knight stuff in a pulpy sort of way, figured I'd give it a go

>its just codex level battle writings in short story format

>no character development, no moral, no real theme, no real arcs

>>51179579
>as long as the actual end is satisfying

>>51179570
There are worse ends than that.

>>51179692

Of course there, the worst of which being a fall to Chaos.

How much different is building a 30k list to fight a 40k list than it is building a normal 40k?

>>51179766

Well for one thing it requires permission from your opponent to field Forgeworld stuff.

>>51179726
Add to it being involuntary and there's no end to the bitterness.

>>51179774

I'd probably just be using mostly plastic anyway. Rhinos, pods, and the HH boxes.

I ask mostly because I feel like the Astartes legion rules represent Night Lords better than the Traitor Legion rules.

>>51179783

Mortarion could have just stuck to his principles and become a true avenger, returning to the Emperor's service and fighting for all time to avenge his fallen Legion. But nope, he sucked that slimy Nurgle dick like the bitch slave that he always was. Now all he has going for his life is literal shitposting.

>>51179774
No it doesn't.

>>51179803

Its possible. But it really comes down to what the aim of your gameplay is and who you play against. If you aim to win, the not-Tzeentch updates to Chaos 40k are really fucking juicy and preferable over just playing a 30k legion - which isn't balanced to fight 40k.

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>>51178766

>>51179842
10/10

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Auxilia discuss turning to Slaanesh.

>>51179833

Eh, the NL options really don't offer much, just stealth. A raptor talon as core sounds nice, but is actually just really awkward. The only NL feeling aux is the mediocre terminator annihilation force.

>>51179774
>playing in an environment where people require permission to use forge world
truly, some people play in a dystopic wasteland

>>51179923
I can't believe there are still people out there that ban anything FW 'because it is too OP'

Specially with the abominations of game balance that Eldar and Formations are right now.

>I refuse to play against your FW contemptor, it is too broken for a fun game
>now let me summon 3 different units of daemons with my marine formation of 5 utterly loyal ultramarine librarians

>>51178968
>Nemiel being killed the way he was
I mean on the one hand it was a horrible way to abort a plot arc they were obviously bringing up, but on the other hand Lion's solution to breaking Nikaea being to kill everyone who thinks that's the case is pretty sweet.

But on the third hand, it shortened a Dark Angel plot line which, sadly, is always a good idea in HH.

>>51180056
But not before my skyhammer anihilation will drop..

>>51179654
If the last book isn't written by William King I'm going to complain loudly on the internet.

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>>51180056
>now let me summon 3 different units of daemons with my marine formation of 5 utterly loyal ultramarine librarians
Welcome to modern 40k.

>>51180160
Dear Emperor no! How will BL ever survive?

On BL meeting in november(?) they said that 5(?) more books + one that has been announced earlier and we will have Siege. Now they realise shittone of fucking anthologies. When will they realise something new that is not siege?

>>51180298
Nothing, BL is just dropping everything now and skipping right to the Battle for Terra, since they know that's just about the only thing that'll sell a HH book at this point.

How many loyalist marines from the traitor legions survived Isstvan?

If any, what became of them after?

>>51180374
>How many
As many as the fanbase needs to make "your dudes". Except the Word Bearers.

And "we don't talk about" the precise numbers in-canon because it'd be a "shame" for the loyal chapters descended from non-traitorous "orphans" of the traitor legions.

>>51180374
Originally only Garro and the few Deathguard with him made it out alive.

But now that BL made sure Loken survives (I still hate they did that, completely ruined his 'death' scene for me) and some others as well, I don't even know anymore.
Istvann V also went from only two marines making it out alive with the geneseed of as many of their fallen brothers as they could get to appearently a quarter to half of each loyalist legion making it out. At least that's what BL made it feel like, with Istvann V survivors popping up all over the place.

>>51180420
Gotcha.

Tempted to paint my Death Guard all battle damaged, with their right arms painted red, Dusk Raider style, and call them loyalists.

>>51180446
>>51180426

It is going to be a very small force either way, so hopefully it's not too lore rapey.

>>51180374

Extremely few who were present lived through the campaign

luckily the Isstvaan III campaign was long enough that you can have a fully loyalist force representing just that time frame pretty easily.

>>51180426
Follow up question, how many DG survived the Flight if the Eisenstein/Lord of the Flies. Was it just Garro left at the end? What became of them?

>>51180374

Istvan III? 2. Loken and Morturg.

Istvan V? A few thousand or so.

>>51180603
It was something like 40 marines by the time Dorn picked them up. Don't remember them being mentioned again.

>>51180603
There as at least the apothecary that also survived through all of it. But after he couldn't save the guy who turned into the Lord of Flies and all the horrible fighting daemons and those who ones ere brothers, he had enough. The last part about that apothecary is him saying how he will fight no more and dedicate the rest of his life to finding a cure for what ailed that one brother and helping those injured or ill.

There were probably a few others, but I think even BL forgot they excist, it's all about Garro.

>>51180643
Perfect.

>>51180690
I cant remember, why did Morty send Garro and his dudes with some confirmed traitors onto the eisenstein anyway?

So I'm about to inherit like 20 Indominus terminators and I was wondering what exactly is the best way to use them?

I'm making a White Scars list set during their great retreat so they're going to be pretty ramshackled, which gives a good reason why they would use their shittier terminator armor.

I'm just not sure how great they are in that legion though

>>51174666
Breacher Squads, what are they good for?

>>51180603
>>51180691
Garro plus exactly seventy.

>>51177606
Post female Guilliman then.

>>51180705
Mortarion really wanted Garro to stay around, he liked him or something. The idea was that Garro and his pals were looked over by the traitor DG on the same craft and converted later.

>>51180705
Garro was injured and couldn't be sent to Isstvan, there were a cadre of traitors on board with instructions to murder him but Saul warned Garro of the attack.

>>51180795
The murder instructions came from Typhus though, not Mortarion himself. Garro even wanted to be send down to fight, so the injury was no reason to keep him on a space ship.

>>51180786
Didn't like him that much, he sent Grulgor to kill him...

>>51180717

Put them on bikes.

>>51180735
Found mah dudes.

>>51180829
Oh come on people, it was quite clearly Typhus giving the kill order for his own motivations. He even complains to Grulgor about how Mortarion is too sentimental about Garro with his trying to keep him around.

>>51180869
Have in mind that most of them were imprisoned on Luna while the others went on Malcador's errands.

>>51180839

Got plenty of bikes don't worry

Actually I was considering orbital assault with them, considering that jet bikes, storm eagles and land speeders can all be taken just fine in that along with those termies

>>51180727
Imperial Fists' Rite of War.

Also being tac squads better at objective-humping than regular dudes, and capable of taking special weapons.

>>51180735
This dude is probably right, but was it 70 left over or 70 at the beginning?

>>51181036
It was before some time that I've read it in one of Garro's stories, the seventy are mentioned being imprisoned.

>>51181139
>>51180904

Hmmm well maybe I'll run them as Isstvan loyalists during Isstvan campaigns and then make up some schtick about havin been released for some kind of penance crusade outside of those events.

>>51174814
My Iron Warriors are mostly recruited from a post-Finnish winter deathworld for maximum bitterness and spite.

It's an excuse to use Finnish names.

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Why fw


Why

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>>51174814
Mix of Terrans and Deliverance guys. My preator is a blond dude from Terra cause I like to self-insert. He's known amongst his legion as "the gold raven".

>>51181458

Because the Hobbit sold so well.

I want the first teaser for Inferno already.

Has there been any hint about Magnus yet? Is he being released with Inferno or not?

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>>51181458

>>51181489
Magnus was released ages ago anon. There won't be a FW version. All future primarchs releases will be made by GW in plastic.

>>51181541
>tfw you blew your pic just a post too early

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>>51181541

>>51181541
Plastic Alpharius when?

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>>51181711
FW already covered that :^)

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What options are there for MkVI backpacks? There's the old RT/FW style ones which are like MkIV with the sausages on top and trumpet nozzles on the vents. I've also seen some that look more like MkVII backpacks with the sausages.

>>51175173
the luna wolves off course, anon - you're not a heretic are you?

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>>51180374
In terms of loyalists, in The Either it's estimated around 22,000 survived.

>>51181458
Cool, new Feral Warriors ogryn models.

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>>51182029
Split between the SoH, EC, WE, and DG, that's at least enough for almost 6 grand companies a piece (Although WE survivors probably number fewer than their counterparts, given how eager they were to engage Traitor WE). While a part of me grumbles at 'teh retcons', I do enjoy the fact that they've left open space for "Your dudes".

>>51182229
Never realized before that the middle one has studded exhausts on his backpack. Sexy.

>>51182029
>>51182229
Except the two of you lack basic reading comprehension and Marr is talking about Iron Hands, Salamanders and Raven Guard survivors.

>>51182397
Yeah, my bad. In my defence, I knew Marr was talking about those legions, I just didn't bother reading anon's first post correctly.

Still think the quote's interesting, don't think there's been an estimate of Isstvan V survivors before that. I think Corax escaped with 3000 or so, so we can guess the rough number of shattered legions without primarch guidance at about 19,000.

>>51182507
Actually in Slaves of Darkness, where the Horus Heresy was written down for the first time (and Horus was just a military commander) only five marines of the loyalist chapters managed to get out of Istvann V alive.

Somehow BL's version with 22.000 marines surviving makes Istvann V sound less catastrophic all of the sudden ...

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21 days left, not 24. It seems like someone can't count.

>>51182612
Well, alright, but since the "new" heresy stuff kicked off (which I count as starting with Betrayal/Horus Rising, depending on one's preference) I don't think it was specified.

>>51182649
>there's a website for counting days on a calender
What a time to be alive. What is Feb 4th anyway, is that the open day or general release?

>>51182612
Well, when you think about it, it would be difficult to *completely* erase the legions, and while the romantic image is of everyone bunched into a field Braveheart style, we're really talking about ~240,000 on the loyalist side, maybe two thirds or more of that on the openly traitor side, and then up to twice that on the fake loyalist side. That would make it feasible for some loyalists to escape, particularly if they weren't footsloggers and had heavy armour and/or fast bikes to get out of the way.

Plus even then, the numbers for the Raven Guard put the casualty rate at more than 90%. That's still a devastating catastrophe/absolute carnage.

>>51182694
Those aboard starships are counted among the 22k.

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>"Magnus the Red is calling for a total and complete shutdown of Space Wolves entering Prospero."

>>51182507
My bad, should have specified which Isstvan.

>>51182686
It's Open Day Time!

>>51183119
>No, forgeworld, no!

>>51182686
HH Weekender, not open day. Which is better since it's just HH and no other shit.

>>51182908
Okay. That ends up making Istvaan a really big massacre still.

>>51182941
Murdering innocents is part of their culture.
Fenrisian Rune-casting is a non-religion of peace!

>>51183515
It's still a massacre, but consider that only a fraction of the Iron Hands ever landed on Isstvan V. The void battle was a disaster in its own right.

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>>51178766

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Just to make the autists even more autistic.

>>51184101
Not even close to covered in enough mud, blood and shit to qualify as true Iron Warriors

>>51174666
What do you guys expect to see at the HH weekender?

>>51184101
Literally shaking right now.

Is this the same image that triggered the anti-power fist guy(s)? I think trying to milk the negative reaction hurts your PR.
Lovely models though. It's good to see Iron Warriors Tartaros. If I may ask, do you plan to use them, and if so, how? I didn't think Tartaros would look like they embodied the "clunky" spirit of the legion, but these guys definitely look like they feel they have Perty's gaze over their shoulder, ready to punish them if they don't act like their 5++ and AP3 are actually 4++ and AP2. Oh, and a big question, why that specific loadout on your sergeants? Is Volkite that much better than a combi-anything, or do you just like the aesthetic, and also, what's the reasoning for taking a power sword instead of a power maul or something else?

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>>51184175
Inferno delays.

>>51184263
Bligh Grenade has said it's coming out. Don't be a negative Nancy.

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>>51184175
Still no Iron Warriors.

Inferno.

Dual wielding guy who's name I can't remember.

No model for pic related still.

>>51184189
Those are 90% for fun and not for playing because I like the double powerfists tartaros look. I may field them some day, but I had them lying around and found them too sexy to sell them. I might add the Combibolters on their back Predator (the alien, not the tank) style to make them more valid on the table in case I intend to really field them one day. The Sarge loadout is just for the looks, too.

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>>51173987
While I shouldn't be surprised if anyone fields MkII Rhinos, are Mars Pattern Predators supposed to be around in the 30k setting?

>>51184355
Only the normal auto-cannon version though, the Annihilator pattern is newer, and post-heresy.

>>51184279
But MUH BITTERNESS is all I have !

>>51184355
As long as you don't take a twin-linked lascannon on the turret you should be fine I think

>>51184405
What about using a Baal as an Infernus?

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>>51184355
>are Mars Pattern Predators supposed to be around in the 30k setting

Yes. Along with MkV castaferrum, MkIII land raider, etc.

>>51184646
Pretty sure the Infernus fluff says it's an attempt by the Admech to retro-engineer the Baal.

>>51184646
what >>51184666 said. The Baal is a unique STC version of the Predator, kept by the Blood Angels themselves, and it's certainly old enough to have been in the Heresy.
Heck, the BA rules specifically note that you can replace the Autocannon with twin-Assault cannon.

>>51184175
Magnus, hopefully.

>>51184175
Disappointments and cold bitterness.

>>51180298
Forget the order but we have
>Ruinstorm
The legions at Imperium Secundus all decide to head for Terra after realising the Emperor is still alive, by David Boringdale
>Vulkan Lives Matter, Part 3
Nick Kyme ties up the Vulkan and Iron Hands plot threads (sorry Iron Hands bros)
>The Crimson King
Graham McNeil disappoints us all by disappearing up his own arse with a book that will 'cleverly' not actually explain anything about the Thousand Sons or Magnus that we want to know
>A book Laurie commissioned but wasn't sure when it will be done before he left so it didn't get announced
Surprisingly, considering it's overdue, not by ADB

all confirmed before the Siege arc actually starts.

>>51185288
But anon, that's everyday!

>>51185291
Wasn't Sons Of The Forge meant to be the end of the Vulkan trilogy, or did Kyme decide to shit out an extra book? (Haven't read SOTF as yet because I need time to recover from reading Deathfire, so don't know what happens in it.)

>>51185337
Extra book I guess? I think it's called Old Earth, or something like that. All we know is that it ends the Vulkan and Iron Hands plot threads.

By Iron Hands plot threads, I'm not sure what they meant. Kyme loves getting his hands on other author's cool stuff, so maybe he's nicked Sharrowkyn and those mentalists off of McNeil.
The other IH plots are the undead cyborg dudes and whatever the fuck happened to Meduson.
Shame, those could be turned into something pretty cool, and you just know Kyme will shit it up.

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>>51175173
Luna Wolves!

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>>51185466

>>51185337
>Sons Of The Forge
Is there an upload anywhere?

>>51185485
needs cut off hands, and broken open chest.

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Molech, where the Emperor made a deal with Chaos to create the baby primarchs, seems to have been named after Moloch, old Middle Eastern god of child sacrifice. Coincidence??

>>51185485
Aren't they "one soul spread across two bodies" or some shit?

So shouldn't "Omepharius"/"Alphagon" be the "true" Alpharius now?

>>51185485
Why's Ferrus in AL armor?

>>51185584
That's how the Alpha Legionaries thought their dads worked.

>>51185574
>where the Emperor made a deal with Chaos to create the baby primarchs
But anon, this isn't canon.

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>>51185627
Son, don't reply to him. It only brings skub.

>>51185574
We dont take Gouldsteins headcanon seriously here Anon. Take it to the 40k general.

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>>51185723
>>51185730
>>51185627
>moloch is a demon that causes havoc on the internet

>>51185794
This episode is hilariously bad, even if Moloch's design is cool

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>>51185794
?

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>>51185794
Remove Moloch.
>>51185834
Fight on Pepe.

>>51185730
>>51185627
I think you guys are missing out. The BL stuff's a good read.

>>51178022
DAT anal spearing doh

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>>51186231

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>>51178766
WB

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>>51186231

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>>51186231

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>>51186388
Nice digits. Take this.

What, you guys aren't into reading?

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>>51186526
We're burned out on BL, and some of us prefer older lore.

>>51186643
But there's so little of it. You aren't addicted enough if there's enough of it for you.

BAngelfag here, starting a Loyalist v Traitor campaign tomorrow. It's starting at 3k points and evolving based off of what happens, and I gotta say I'm excited. Here's my list right now, any thoughts or inconsistencies?

Rite of War: The Day of Revelation

HQ (100)
>Consul
Jump Pack, Power Weapon

Elites (995)
>Terminator Squad
2 Chainfists, 3 Lightning Claws, Land Raider, Armored Ceramite
>Contemptor-Mortis Dreadnought
2 Kheres Assault Cannons
>Contemptor-Mortis Dreadnought
2 Kheres Assault Cannons
>Terminator Squad
2 Chainfists, 3 Lightning Claws, Land Raider, Armored Ceramite
>Apothecarion Detachment
>3 Apothecaries, Jump Packs

Troops (750)
>Legion Assault Squad
15 Men, Power Weapon
>Legion Assault Squad
15 Men, Power Weapon
>Legion Assault Squad
15 Men, Power Weapon

Fast Attack (410)
>Legion Jetbike Skyhunters
5 Skyhunters
>Legion Jetbike Skyhunters
5 Skyhunters

Heavy Support (815)
>Sicarian Battle-Tank
Armored Ceramite, Lascannon Sponsons
>Sicarian Battle-Tank
Armored Ceramite, Lascannon Sponsons
>Malcador Assault Tank
Demolisher Cannon, Armored Ceramite, Flare Shield, Lascannon Sponsons

I usually don't do dreaddies, but my friends like Fliers a lot so I've gotta be ready for hell. Blobs are also common, so it'll be fun ripping and blowing them down.

2 big concerns:
-Is the Malcador worth it? I just got it, but it's one hell of a points sink (then again it won't fucking die, so that's cool)
-can I fuck tanks enough? AV14 is gonna be dicey, but I've got a good amount of Lascannons.
Maybe invest in some Inferno pistols and laugh at pooping open their LoW's with troops?

>>51185585
because Alpharius gets merked

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Do not support Black Library books.
Do not read Black Library books.
Do not think about Black Library books.

>>51186669
>no praetor with perdition blade
>inferior mortis dreads
>ass cannon memery

Into the ragefire with you!

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Fuck Blood Angels look good but I don't want to be a melee only army. Each legion had gunline and tank commanders right? Can I reasonably run a fluffy, balanced, blood angels army that's meant for shooting but can still kick ass in melee?

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>>51186668
Lucifier, you don't understand. Some of the lore changes, the quality of the new stuff, and the fact that they have dragged this series out for 11 years has rubbed us the wrong way.

>>51186780
>can the army made out of assault cannons into gunline?

Gee, I dunno...

>>51186780
Of course since you get assault cannons up the wazoo

>>51186526
m8 come on, we all love reading, but at a realistic, I'm not meming, estimate, 50% of BL HH lore is shite.

>>51181363
I can imagine what a post-war ever-winter deathworld would be like...but what would post-Finnish be?
No more Finland?
>>51181469
How about Golden Raven?

>>51186744
>praetor
Yeah, maybe, but a Paragon Blade seems better if I was gonna take one. Way more useful when it's needed.
>inferior
As opposed to a Leviathan? Sure, but he's expensive and takes valuable slots.
>ass cannons
Are they that bad? I mean shit, 12 S6 Rending at BS5 looks golden for anti-air.

What about the Jetbikes? I could drop some of them if I really should get a Praetor.

>>51176874
Get out of here Ward, you have no place here.

>>51186916
From my personal experiences I have found the perdition blade to be more valuable.

Podding in dreads can work very well. A podded leviathan is hilarious.

I was mainly memeing about the asscannons. You could switch them out for cc weps and undersling some cannons, but you will get dirty looks for that.

>>51186916
Different anon here, the problem with relying on assault cannons for antiair in 30k is that some people will bring nothing but AV12, 4HP fliers, so you're left fishing for 6s. The extra punch of a dorito can make all the difference.

Which legion should I choose if I think armor support is for regular humans?

I like the idea of infantry, some rhinos, dreadnoughts, drop pods, and maybe an allied Titan if I need extra tank smashing. Is there a legion with a philosophy along these lines, or at least one who could pull it off?

>>51186977
>I have found the perdition blade to be more valuable.
This, you don't need instant death on 6s when you get 2W a hit on 3s.

>>51187038
Raven guard maybe?

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>>51187038
As in, you think the individual legionnaire is the ultimate weapon?
Death Guard it is.

>>51187027
Yeah, but I figure weight of fire will do wonders; 12 shots is good, 10 will statistically hit, and a six means an auto-pen, which can mean hell for fliers.

Worst case scenario I use the Sicarians, but I think I'll be okay.

I would do a Dorito, but I've yet to get one :'(

>>51187062
"Unless you're terran. Then GTFO :^) "
-t. Cuervo Crow of the Raven Guard

>>51186669
No Master of the legion to allow a RoW, used 5 elite slots (mortis dreads aren't Talons).

Fix that and you're looking an ok list I think. Just don't rely too much on rending for strong anti tank.

>>51187038
Blood Angels.

>>51186669

Seems like your assault squads are underpowered to me. The whole point of Day of Revalation is that it gives you a strong T1 DS for all your jump troops, why would you then gimp them by not giving them more than one power weapon, any inferno pistols, a buffed up sergeant, or combat shields? That's without getting into whether you should be sticking additional characters with them too. You seem to be spending most of your points on termies who don't really synergise with the rite. I know you might be working mostly with what you've got, but an alternative RoW might be better.

>>51186977
>>51187054
Fair point. So how's about I drop 2 Jetbikes and the Consul, and get this-

>Legion Praetor
Jump Pack, Iron Halo, Perdition Blade, Melta Bombs

Sound good? I'm always distrusting of expensive HQ's because one bad hit at S8+ costs me a lot of points.

>>51187163
I get MotL from the consul, Apothecaries are one slot, Termies are one, and Dreads are two. And I'm not necessarily screwed for anti-armor, I've got a fuckload of Lascannons.

>>51187192
My though was a turn-2 fuckfest, though I'm more and more considering dropping some dickbikes and investing in gear. The idea was everything charges up turn 1, Assault boys hide in ruins to avoid heavy fire, and turn 2 the vehicles unload hell, Termies slice (maybe I should get more chainfists) up vehicles/2+, and assault bog down and chop up whoever looks mean. I'll take a look and see how to empower them better.

Maybe drop one squad of bikes, give each squad power weapons, and give all the termies chainfists?

>>51187323
Oh shit, I didn't see I had 2 terminator squads! Fuck, forget one of those exists

>>51187038
Death Guard, Word Bearers, or Human Wave IW.

>>51187038
Last of the Serrated Sun Word Bearers could work. Gal Vorbak troops, which frees up the Elites slot, and everything must be podded or deepstriked.

How well would the various Baneblade variant weapons work as Medusa cannon mounted on Basilisks? I thought it would make them all look a bit different, which is nice, and a few even look like they might slot neatly onto the stub of the Earthshaker.

>>51186669
Weird formatting... I'd switch it and greentext the options rather than the actual entires.

Anyway, those assault squads aren't killy enough. You really can't count on dudes with bolt pistols and chainswords to do much harm, even with the to-wound boost. The 5 elite slots has been pointed out. Drop something to add power weapons and inferno pistols to your assault squads.

Are the jetbikes just taking heavy bolters? I'd make them squads of 6 (or 7) and 3 and take one-in-three volkite or plasma. Not melta because the heavy bolters would go to waste - they're an anti-infantry unit. You have a lot of anti-infantry so you might consider switching one of the Sicarans to a Venator.

>>51187430

As long as it's one of the fat short cannons I'm not sure anyone will be confused

I'm being way worse Im using griffons as medusas

>>51186669
>Consul
What kind?

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>>51186780
Ryan Kimmel (of the Radio Free Isstvan podcast - of all the podcasts he's the rules expert and master list writer) runs Armored Breakthrough Blood Angels. Lots of predators, lots of bikes, just barely meets the more-infantry-than-tanks rule. He still thinks assault marines are overcosted compared to tacticals in a rhino so I don't think he runs any. Someone posted this picture of his army in the last thread.

>>51187522
>converting attack bikes out of the forgeworld outriders
I'm impressed.

>>51187480
Thought so. Was going to make a Mechanicum Baneblade anyway, so I guess I'm starting my army with a Lord of War. Not the most orthodox choice, that.

I want to run a plasma cannon + culverin dread


Am I just going to be disappointed

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>Inferno is still weeks away
>It will take a thousand years to be scanned

I'm so tired.

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>>51187614
GET IN THE VAN.

>>51187323
If you're consul is a Delegatus, mention that as consul is just a rule. Also your termies are listed twice so that's how I counted 5.

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Can I join in the van game?

Alright then lads, here's the fixed version. Any other ideas? Maybe a better, more Killy alternative for dickbikes?

HQ (170)
Praetor
>Jump Pack, Iron Halo, Melta Bombs, Blade of Perdition

Elites (995)
Terminator Squad
>5 Chainfists, Land Raider, Armored Ceramite
Contemptor-Mortis Dreadnought
>2 Kheres Assault Cannons
Contemptor-Mortis Dreadnought
>2 Kheres Assault Cannons
Apothecarion Detachment
>3 Apothecaries, Jump Packs

Troops (870)
Legion Assault Squad
>15 Men, 5 Power Weapon
Legion Assault Squad
>15 Men, 5 Power Weapon
Legion Assault Squad
>15 Men, 5 Power Weapon

Fast Attack (205)
Legion Jetbike Skyhunters
>5 Skyhunters

Heavy Support (815)
Sicarian Battle-Tank
>Armored Ceramite, Lascannon Sponsons
Sicarian Battle-Tank
>Armored Ceramite, Lascannon Sponsons
Malcador Assault Tank
>Demolisher Cannon, Armored Ceramite, Flare Shield, Lascannon Sponsons

>>51187861
Highest kek.

How the hell do I kill Mortarion as Mechanicum? He just won't go down pretty much whatever I hit him with, and Scoria doesn't work due to needing 6s and being slow as hell. Do I just line up three score of Thralls and hope I can charge him? Reductor artillery isn't really effective against a really tough single model

When was Book 7 officially announced?

>>51188076
Did you already ask FW if Scoria's Bad Touch TM works on Morty?