Warhammer 40,000 General

first for commorragh

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when is the next TTS episode coming out?

>>51161646
The rule that disallows FnP against D is under the FnP rule itself.

>>51161722
these ultramarines are really nice, but why aren't they based?

>>51161756
It's fresh asphalt bases.

>>51161756
Because now Matt Ward is working for GW again Ultramarines are back to being the most based chapter regardless.

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>>51161612
Retrying my question.

Reminder that if you airbrush to take your time with intermediary colors for smooth blends and use actual lighting, not pillow shading. An airbrush is a tool, not a magic wand. It does not replace your brush.

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ORKS HIT LAST, BUT DEY HIT DA 'ARDEST

>>51161813
>S3
>AP -
>No Rending

Nah.

>>51161788
always bikes

you take rhinos if you want your squad to shoot out the top hatch and you take razorbacks if you want free heavy bolters

alternatively you can heavy firepower on top of a razorback and use it for cheap extra anti-tank shots

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>>51161820
>4 str 7 attacks on the charge at i3

>>51161788
Rhino if you're going grav/combi grav.
Razorback if you're going melta/combi melta.

Attack bikes are way more durable and is more flexible.
But land speeders get you more multi-meltas for your points.
Depends if you want offense or defense.

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>>51161835
>4 str 6 AP 5 Rending attacks on the charge at I4
>for 11 pts
>Potentially has Hatred and/or Furious Charge just from my HQs being within 12"
>Potentially has additional +1 Str and Rage and/or opponent is at -1 WS -1 I -1 A from psychic powers

>>51161828
>free
It's basically 20 points + your fire points + your storm bolter for a twin-linked heavy bolter.

Razorbacks are pretty meh compared to the rhino unless they're free or blood angels.

>>51161835
23 points with a 6+ save.
27 for 4+
50 for 4+ T5 and bike mobility

>>51161880
It hurts me when orks get compared to other factions

>>51161897
They are pretty good with the whack-a-marine formation.

>>51161808
nobody in this thread can paint bud, i gave up trying years ago

>>51161828
>>51161863
Don't really have much plan other than getting in the opponents face and start pulling triggers. Will probably 10 man Rhinos and use the Tacticals for chaff removal and have the Bikes/Landspeeders deal with tanks.

Anyway, thanks for the advice.

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How hard would it be to make a Warband based around Talos' "Fuck chaos, but fuck the imperium" mindset?

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>>51161922
I paint.
I can't paint well but I still paint.

How crazy would a combi plasma/melta be on a 5 man BA squad jumping out of a razorback, a squad that wants to charge but knows it can't that turn?

>>51161949
Undivided, bring vehicles with the hatred chaos legacicies of war.

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>>51161922

I paint. I have a long way to go, but I paint.

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Just started assembling pic related.
AFAIK i can only take one of either heavy flamer OR soulreaper cannon.

Which one should I glue on? (i could magnetize them, but one arm would be without shoulderpad.

>>51161949
You mean a night lords or alpha legion warband?

There are rules for it, nobody is forcing you to take marks but using some chaos shit is unavoidable.

>>51161972
soulreaper cannon isn't that great

>>51161963
>vehicles with the hatred chaos legacicies of war.

Night Lords are undivided by default, but I have no idea what this is.

>>51161976

Night Lords, of course.

What is unavoidable?

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>>51161649
I have a few questions about Psykers. So I have 3 Primaris Psykers in my army and I want them all to choose from the Divination powers. Since I've upgraded them to Mastery Level 2, I get to select 2 powers. I'm not sure I'm fully understanding this. I get to roll for 2 powers on the same table, but because I chose both powers to be from the same table I automatically know the Primaris Power in addition to those 2 powers, right?

Also, since they are ICs, can I roll their powers and then decide which unit to put them with?

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r8

>>51161993
On the most basic level, having to challenge, and having a chance to turn into a Daemon prince because of it.

>>51161993
Meant Legacies of Ruin
Basicly veteran vehicles.

>>51162014
Yes

>>51162014
Yes and yes.

>>51162022

Ah, yea. Seems a bit silly, but oh well.

>>51162023

Still have no idea what this is.

>>51161972
Flamer... The price is right. Will help you not get assaulted yo

>>51162027
>>51162030
Lovely, thank you.

>>51162023
>Meant Legacies of Ruin
Which are?

>>51162031
It's a forgeworld thing. Basically special upgrades you can give to a single vehicle in your force, most often a bonus against a specific faction.

>>51162042
Source the book it's from, then, faggot. Don't just talk about some FW splat thing like it's common knowledge, very few people play with that stuff.

>>51162041
Veteran upgrades to vehicles in a chaos army 1/1k

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>>51162050
>very few people play with that stuff.
My meta must be pretty ahead of the curve because near everyone uses SOME forgeworld

>>51162050
It is common knowledge to anyone making a serious effort at thematic CSM lists.

>>51162050
I'm not even the guy who suggested it. I was just trying to help since you'd never heard of it.

Maybe stop being an ass to people giving suggestions and advice?

>>51162067
Then any one of those people should be able to cite the rulebook it's in.

>>51161972
With my Tartaros I glued the shoulder pad onto the torso with a little and stuck magnets inside to solve this problem. 5mm or 6mm work well if you get the ones that are thin so you don't need to drill them in.
I did this for all the BoP Tartaros.

>>51162077
IA XIII

>>51161964
Shut the fuck up anon that looks great. Don't put yourself down.

>>51162076
>Maybe stop being an ass to people giving suggestions and advice?
Saying "take this random thing that's in some Imperial Armour splat which most people haven't heard of" without even saying the name of the book they need to look up isn't a helpful suggestion.

>>51162041
it's some obscure bullshit from IA:13 appendix that most people dont play with and you wont be allowed to use in tournaments

>>51162094
Google exists.

>>51162087
Thank you.

>>51162097
I'm not going to waste my time googling some fringe FW shit, if someone can suggest it in a thread then they can take the two seconds to explain what and where it is.

>>51162076

Ok,
>>51162050 wasn't me. Just to be clear.

>>51162073
We all have to start somewhere.

>>51162095
WGAF about tourneytrash?

>>51162112
A lot more people than who give a fuck about Forgeworld desu

>>51161972
Imo soulreaper aint worth it on scarabs when it's replacing the lovely twinlinked ap3 bolter you have. Pure that or heavy warpflamer.

The lack of additional shoulders was a calculated, dick ass move, but i found I could still magnetize by glueing the one shoulder pad's edge to the torso instead of the arm. Try it.

>>51162110
>Fringe

It's literally the CSM Forgeworld book.

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>>51162092

Well, thanks. I'm not putting myself down, but there's a fair bit I need to work on like highlights.

>>51162124
There are like 3 different FW books with Chaos shit, plus all the other supplements and dataslates they have.

Someone new to the Faction can't be expected to immediately know what random shit you're talking about. I've been playing 40k for 20 years and I had no idea wtf you were talking about.

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If 6 swooping hawks intercept a flyer or FMC how many attacks do they get? i'm not sure if it's affected by the grenade faq since it doesn't say it's a grenade attack despite it obviously being so

>>51161922
bait, here's something i did a while back

>>51161979
>>51162037
>>51162079
>>51162119
Thanks for tips fellow anons! Fast and helpful response :3

>>51162137
Yeah. If only there was some sort of site that could allow you to look up strings of words in order to find more information about something you didn't know.

Oh well, I guess spoonfeeding is fine too.

>>51162015
All VotLW are relentless (including oblits), stealthed past 18" targeting, rerollable 1's for FNP, a declared Obliterator unit can make two turns of shooting but are forced to swap weapons as normal. The Nurgle primaris is pretty amazing against riptides/wraithknights, gives the model Gets Hot. The obliterators have a pretty heavy tax for still only shooting their lascannons once per volley but they're really resilient. More resilient than lascannon havocs in rhinos that also have relentless, I'm not sure which I'd rather have. The availability of multiple heavy weapons on the oblits may be the tipping point.

>>51162112
I don't even play tournaments, I'm just saying that if you're trying to squeeze the cheese out of some obscure FW shit, don't bother because it won't help you in actual WAAC scenarios.

Since everyone is sperging out about this, I'll give a brief synopsis of what Legacies of Ruin actually are
>appendix of forgeworld supplement IA:13
>there is a section called Legacies of Ruin that allows you to take one Legacy per 1000 points in your army. they all relate to vehicles
>most of them are shit, the only one I even remember is the one that lets you give a tank outflank (and fear but pfff)
>you don't need anything special to take these rules, they are just there for you to use in any army. which is sorta weird if you're just like "hey imma use this random free buff from this obscure book that I have" but whatever

That's it. There just freebie special rules you can tack on with no real relation to anything.

>>51162145
They still get 6, the attack isn't a grenade attack and doesn't follow the same rules.

>>51162173
>use in any army

any chaos space marines army, in case that isn't obvious

>>51162173
Ain't free tho

>>51162188
Oh yeah I just remembered they do cost points. The outflank one (it has Maelstrom in the name like Lord of the Maelstrom or something) costs 15 points.

>>51162161

> Don't spoonfeed people
> They should just google everything
> They shouldn't ask questions here, they should just use google
> They shouldn't ask for other people's thoughts, they should just google everything

If you're just telling people to use google what's the point of even having a discussion thread?

>>51162173
>anti FW fags so butthurt they have to resort to openly lying about FW stuff
You 'tards are always good for a chuckle.

>>51162205
To ask questions not readily answerable in google.

Lurk moar, pay attention, read the rules youself, read FAQs, google shit you don't get, THEN ask.

That's how I was taught to /tg/

>>51162161
>>51162205
it might not even be that easy to google these specific forgeworld rules and exactly what they do anyway because they're relatively obscure

I hate this retarded "spoonfeeding" meme because it's abused. if somebody asks you for help for something, helping them isn't automatically spoonfeeding. it's called having this weird fucking thing called a "discussion", I know the autistic mind has trouble understanding such a thing. spoonfeeding is going unnecessary lengths to explain something that is a waste of time since the person would be better served finding out the usual way. in this case "hey where can I find this special rule" and "hey it's in X supplement" isn't spoonfeeding, it's answering a damn question. faggots on image boards like /tg/, /g/, etc. like to call helping people "spoonfeeding" to be smug about their l33t knowledge that shouldn't be easy to obtain according to them

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With this circlejerk about FW
How about we rate a list including forgeworld

Having a semi waac tourney at my local gw
How is my list?

Also, what's better, Farsight data cards or Tau data cards?
Farsight one looks more fun imo, leaning towards it.

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>>51162221

You were taught wrong.

Exclusionary spergs are the exact opposite of what a niche hobby needs to survive.

>>51162260
yes, we really need normies and casuals to diversify it, and make it accessible

just like vidya games

Hey guys I was thinking about running an all-skimmer/jet infantry/jump infantry Eldar allies army. I did it before at 1000 points, asked /tg/ before doing so, and received approval. I want to make sure I'm not being too much of a huge faggot for casual games though, it's hard to judge Eldar/Corsairs and know how they'll do against others. Would you play against this? (shortest possible army list incoming)

>A bunch of jet pack Corsairs; some with flamers, some with CCWs and combat drugs, and some with fusion guns
>2 Pulse Laser Hornets and a Warp Hunter
>Eldar Aspect Warriors formation with 2 Warp Spiders squadds and a Swooping Hawks squadron
>Dark Eldar Allied Detachment of an Archon + 4 Incubi in a Venom, Venom Warriors, and Scourges with Haywire Blasters

So in total it's 2 Venoms, 2 Hornets, a Warp Hunter, and a bunch of jet pack dudes. Is it going to be balanced or will I accidentally either get 100% BTFO or 100% BTFO everyone else.

>>51162260
exclusionary spergs belong on 4chan

"hey how do i thin m,y paidnts" belong on dakka/reddit/flgs and are, as you say, essential to the survival of a niche hobby, but i come here for quality discussion which i guess is fucking insane in a way because I haven't seen any of that for a good year, just "WHHDAT IF ORKS HAD S8 BASELINE FOR FREE LOL"

>>51162260
Right.
We need to include more people unwilling or incapable of reading and understanding the rules.

>>51162263

> Anyone who isn't as autistic as me is a normie/casual

Making the game "more accessible" is the reason Games Workshop is actually posting a decent profit lately. If you want to play an arcane game that is hyper-exclusionary that no one gives a shit about than I suggest you stop shitting our thread up and go here >>51157523

>>51162269
>2000+17
>quality discussion in /w40kg/
Yeah, would be nice.

I honestly have better discussions with more depth and reason in /wip/ than any 40k general for the past year or so. Mostly just use the general for just getting some (mostly worthless and unreliable) opinions on lists or hot topics as well as leaks these days.

>>51162267

Fuck sorry for all the typos, I am very tired. Would appreciate any thoughts though.

The plan is basically for the vehicles to all be distraction carnifexes that the enemy either ignores (and gets hit with serious fire power from) or kills them on T1 and lets the infantry close. Between the various types of units, the jetpack guys can effectively deal with almost any threat (eg. Hawks can take out fliers, numerous sources of haywire and melta, flamers, CCW dudes).

Also I forgot to mention all the Corsairs are in a sky burners coterie and have pistols. Most of them start in reserves.

>>51162173
>don't bother because it won't help you in actual WAAC scenarios.
You seem to not have ever met Chaos Knight with 2++ save.

>>51162050
As a Chaos player you should at the very least familiarize yourself with IA 13. It's all Chaos and includes almost all the important FW Chaos stuff.

>>51162267
>>51162300
Without a Seer Council or Wraithstuff I don't think anyone will take issue with it.

>>51162050
>>51162317
Also check out the updated version of Siege of Vraks. Although its mostly Renegades of Vraks, they contain some small bits for CSM too.

>>51162221
So then we can save the thread for, what, dank 40k memes?
Tau hate?
Shitposting?

Lol kiddo take your ligitmate questions elsewhere were talking about Orks being a melee race her
>I2
HA HA HA

>>51162255
Holy fuck I keep forgetting how cheap crisis suits are.
Yeah man looks really solid, not really convinced that the fighters are terribly points efficient because
> interceptor
But other than that it could use some more pathfinders, just so they dont all get wiped out

>>51161756
The Ultramarine campaign on Blackus Plasticus VII still rages, anon.

>>51162263
>he's from /v/
Oh, that explains everything.

Shoo /v/ermin, shoo!

>>51162342
Discussion, experiences and combos not commonly found.

The shit Google doest not lend itself to.

>>51162371
Just look up any ITC tourniment if you want good army lists.
Start a fucking blog if you want to talk about your 'experiences'.
Don't ask questions about the game, that's more suited to google.
And don't sperg about home brew or fan codexes, that shit is pure reddit.

Now, with that in mind, what did you want to discuss?

guys i want to play spase marens what should i buy

my.local gw says they're strong, what's so good about bs4

pls be nice and not toxic and exclusionary

>>51162416

Ironic shitposting is still shitposting, friend

>>51162406
Noone said "don't ask questions at all", just use google first and see if theres a FAQ that pre-empts you.

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>>51162416

>>51162317

None of that is compatible with any of the TL formations except dreadclaws, which is funny because they're widely regarded as being terrible.

There's still going to be some super hidden secret formation for BTs in Gathering Storm, right?

They'll get an independant formation to help their Crusader squads, r-right guys?

Right?

Why are GW such a bunch of jews?
Why do i have to buy three boxes of devastators to have heavy weapons for all 10?

>>51162452
I'm still holding out for new rules for ma boi Helbrecht

>>51162453
They are actually making huge progress in the box set regards, its just that previous Games Jewshop didn't care and made everything as inaccessible as they could and the old boxes still face retarded weapons choices.
> New Devestator box when?

>>51162453
you can only equip 4 devastors with heavy weapons, there is no reason why you should buy 3 boxes, two should be enough to get all weapons 4 times

>>51162453
Because there's only enough space on the sprues. If they gave you four of every single weapon, they would need to design and cast another sprue, which would increase development costs, and in turn would result in a more expensive final product. Trade parts with other Space Marine collectors or buy the extras loose from Ebay or bitz sites online.

>>51162490
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>>51162453
>>51162497
>TFW the bar is set so low questions like that are commonplace.

I must be masochistic to use anything on /tg/ besides the WIP thread, hell even that's infested with "how do I fix my awful colour scheme without changing anything?".

So wbat are the opinions on where to put Cawl? Skitarii are T3 only and Kataphrons have no characters and are expensive to LoS to.
I was considering some Custodes to bodyguard him, but that's a hella expensive and slow deathstar, even if it does do everything he needs. If I could just take 3 Custodes I would, but I'd rather not have a 500pt HQ deathstar with relatively little offensive power.

Any good, taxless bodyguards in Codex: Imperium?

I've just bought a Morkanaut, how do I equip the Nob squad I want to transport? Thinking combi rokkits and big choppas

>>51162525
Bionicked slabshield Ogryns?

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>>51162523
Typical WIP conversations consist of some guy posting a bunch of sloppy basecoat-and-nothing-else marines and saying he's proud of them, some guy suggesting that he wash and highlight or maybe thin his paints, and then the original guy flipping out because he wasn't looking for criticism in the fucking /wip/ thread, just to show off or stroke his ego or something.

I stick around for the occasional actually talented painter that posts there, but it's irritating how few people are out to actually improve their painting skills, they're just there to farm (You)s with their barely tournament legal shitshows. It's a damn shame that savage ork anon stopped posting after she got hired by forge world.

And for fucks sake, why do people put hours of work into painting a model then take a photo of it while throwing it up into the air in a pitch black room during an earthquake, the dense fucking cunts

>>51162596
Combi shorchas, big choppa and 'eavy armor.

What do you guys think of the new inquisitor? Is she strong enough?

>>51162453
Skitarii also need 3 boxes to get 3 of all weapon options, only 2 of which are actually worth using. Meaning you'd have to buy 6 fucking boxes to get enough to fill 2 squads out, if you don't buy from a bit store on eBay. And even if you do, those weapons are usually way more expensive than most other weapon upgrades, since they're relatively rare.

>>51162600

>I stick around for the occasional actually talented painter that posts there, but it's irritating how few people are out to actually improve their painting skills.

I made a choice not to paint.
My conversions are pretty damn good but my painting skills are more likely to do harm than good.

I need to practice but it pains me to either ruin a conversion or spend time and money on a dull vanilla model.

>>51162525
I said it yesterday and I'll say it again:
Cawl in a Custodes squad with a Tech-Priest Dominus wearing an Auto Caduceus and giving the Custodes Sergeant the Memento-Mortispex and letting all of them ride inside a Land Raider Crusader.

Hard to get more deathstar than that.

In /tg/'s experience, how receptive is your meta to using simple like-for-like proxies of comparable models, like using Cultists for IG or vice versa?

>>51162608
she's a solid meh.
most anons will says she's too expensive when she's just T3, uber specialised to kill psykers but no AP2 and the condemnor is one-use. Her unique psychic power is nice.

I'm definitly gonna use her, but then again i am wierd and stupid since i'm the only one in my meta that uses psykers

>>51162640
Mine is cool about it.

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Anyone else use plastic models to distract themselves from crushing loneliness?

>>51161951
Not that crazy. But I can tell you from experience that jumping out of a rhino and then having to stand around really fucking sucks.

>>51162640
I never cared. It's just a game. As long as we are having fun, my opponents can bring a bunch of origami proxies, as far as I'm concerned.

>>51162683
Just forge the narrative. If charging out of a rhino makes a cool cinematic moment, do it.

>>51162656
That, raiding 3 days weekly, more than 20 weekly series, a battery of audiobooks and ahitload of visual novels.

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> Local store running a small tournament
> Decide "fuck it" and enter my list
> list consists of several ork formations
> Namely Mogroks Bossboyz so I have 3 KFFs
> a really fleshed out painmob (the starter kits formation is actually better than most of our others) which lets me strike after dying (inevitably)
> Oh yeah, The Red Kommandos so I have 4 squads of 15 kommandos
> Anyway, end up coming 3rd because my meta is so obsessed with GSC infantry that they all do it, they always 'let' me deploy and go first because they dont expect to not be able to physically deploy on the field.
Tl;DR, I used a shitty ork list that doesn't work to come 3rd because GSC is for retards that don't know how to deploy
I would seriously consider investing in infiltrate units, they are so underused outside of GSC that they never see it coming
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>>51162705
Even tho I dont play them, it always makes me happy to hear Orks doing well

>>51162596
I see you subscribe to the nobz in a naut meme. Hats of to you of you manage to let it plays significant part in any game you play

>>51162705
Good drills. Wish I could achieve something like this in my meta, but I'm terrible at the game.

>>51162596
Equip them as 2 burna boyz with 3 meks

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>>51162705
So this basically?

>>51162750
Those meks wont help it getting blown up turn 1 by a drop pod full of sternguard

Or a single lucky lascannon

>>51162640
Mine is definitely cool about it. As long as the model is comparable in size, I think it's fine. There was someone saying they wanted to use Catachans for Genestealer Cults and I would be totally fine with that too, just as long as the units were painted in a way that made it obvious what each unit was. If it's just a bunch of normal Catachans that all look the same I'd have a problem with it.

>>51162640
Fine as long as it's not confusing.

>>51162755
Can confirm down to the level of distain in the look of the GSC players eyes as he realises the rulebooks finally don't go his way.
Seriously even the store owner was laughing his ass off at each of them auto-losing

>>51162759
Still better than actually investing a sizeable amount of points to the unit inside thats just going to get exploded

>>51162683
>>51162696
I'm relying on the fact that if they've got to the point where they're just standing around waiting until they're allowed the charge then they've already "blown their load" and are just an 80 point squad.

>>51162705
How does that work? I thought GSC could appear anywhere within like an inch of your models.

>>51162783
i would have loved to see that happening

>>51162696
I have a strong dislike of rhino rules and could never wrap my head around the effective use of 5 man combat squads. Needless to say I'm a terrible marine player.

>>51162705
Not well versed with how GSC works since literally nobody here plays them and I never bothered with their codex. Why does that list all bu guarntee an auto-win?

>>51162705
Wow.. so GSC really is the new tau! Is this...is this the power of xeno players?

Is there anything that would be good to put into a gorkanaut?

I cant think of a single thing that wouldnt be much better off in a trukk

If a transport bought as dedicated transport for troops does it count as a troop?

If yes regarding at the imperium super friends formation.

Does a wrecked vehicle get to respawn? One that blows up it is obvious.

If I buy a Vendetta and use it to transport some scion, would I get respawning Vendettas? Or it can only work with Valkyries?

Torquemada + Scion.

70 points for Objective Secure Deepstriking with 1/3 chance to come back against sounds way too good. Unless you are playing kill points then it is fucking stupid.

>>51162812
They count as the role they were purchased for (hence why DTs get ObSec in a CAD). Pretty sure they'd respawn even if just wrecked and not exploded, since the rule qould otherwise be terrible for them. The fluff is also that "they just won't stop coming" by being immediately replaced by a new unit from the Imperium's endless ranks, not by being revived.

>>51162793
Thats only if they roll a 6, you can spread out your kommandos across the entire board in such a way that they can never place their models
> for reference I brought 60 kommandos and we were playing on 48x48 boards, which allows for a 0.8" room between JUST the kommandos, not including the other boyz I brought
tfw when mathhammer actually works

>>51162807
Meks to repair it. But that's useless too because 'nauts are invincible anyway.

>>51162834
Yeah, chances are if you're trying to repair it it's just exploded anyway, I still like to run the krushin krew formation tho
especially with Mogroks, allowing 3 nauts to outflank is fucking priceless

>>51162807
A Mek who is just in there to repair it.

>>51162705
I'm not following, what did you do?

If you don't have shit on the table turn one you auto lose. That is why I'm lost with the situation.

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Is it gorkanaut story time?

so far ive killed them with

>A snap firing lascannon sponson
>Orbital Bombardment
>Single meltabomb sergeant
>Charged one with a single dreadnought

All of the ork players got one at release, but I havent seen one in over a year

>>51162656
The good thing about this hobby is that there is so much too it. It's a great distraction from real life. It's also a great way of meeting people, because it's played face to face, unlike video games.

>>51162608
Like >>51162641 said, solid "meh".

Inquisitor Coteaz is 50pts cheaper and so much better better. Coteaz is also retardly good in Castellans-detachment.

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Reminder that GW finally said something something about Cult Ambush.

>>51162865
Mah boooi. Is that your Infernus?

On Sunday I outflanked some Grey Hunters (5) with a ML2 Run priest behind a Death company dreadnough.

Str 3 Assault 3 living lightning didn't harm it's rear armor.
10 rapid fire boltguns didn't glane the rear armor.
Meltagun missed.

It turned round to assault them and died to meltagun in overwatch getting explodes result.
Felt bad.
Thanks for reading. Like comment and subscribe.

>>51162830
Out of not remembering. In a CAD does everything get Objective Secure or only Troops? Since I've return to game, the situation to question of the what has it or not has never come up.

Mostly because my meta is obsessed with killing shit even though there are objectives and not kill points.

>>51162902
Just Troops. There are some other formations that give everything in them ObSec though. The Chaos Warband that is the basis of CSM now for example.

What's the most annoying shit able with the new Castellan detachment? Corteaz as one of your HQ choices is a given. What kind of units would be the biggest pain in the ass to spam with his ObSec though?

>>51162899
First I was about two write a smug comment about how you expected S 3 to hurt AV 10, but then I remembered that living lightning is S 7.

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>>51162912
Holy fuck so Torquemada does help up a lot.


Inquisitor with servo-Skull, Torquemada and Greyfox.

Cool idea even if it is rather silly?

>>51162941
Herp. Yeah I fucked that up putting my thoughts into typing.

>>51162927
Well, lots non-vehicles. Then again, Castellans detachment is best when you use just cherrypick best things the imperium has to offer. Exorcists, wyverns, centurion devastators SIX CULEXUS ASSASINS etc.

>>51162955
I just realized - as written, doesn't Celestine get double martyrdom now?

>>51162927
I'm toying won't the idea of 5 man naked scions. 70 points of Deepstriking sounds nices or MSU SoB with Immolator, the sheer amount of HF, Flamers and TL-MM has value on its own.

If you can buy a Valkyrie for a Dominion squad, Deepstriking 4 melta guns + combi melta with ignore cover could work.

I'm taking the IA agent idea here, mixing different factions that can share transport seems to be possible now at this in the henchmen formation and this shit. But till GW doesn't explain this, avoid the dream.

Also T3 humans is the only way to play Imperium cog boys and mutants can go and stay go.

>>51163013
Yes.

>>51162865
Meanwhile I couldn't kill one with a Multi-Melta, Melta, Melta Bomb, and Power fist over 2 turns and lost 10 marines and a Land Raider Crusader to it.

Why does playing Black Templars always end in despair?

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>>51163013
No she must stay dead. They just copy pasted the rules as usual.

Does anyone know where the music for the Warhammer TV videos comes from?

Most of it sounds like it comes from the DoW2 soundtrack, but I haven't noticed any tracks that were immediately identifiable as part of it.

>>51163056
My honest guess would just be some generic gothic music they had some guy put together quickly.

I just started playing Ad Mech, and I got a little problem. How the fuck do I counter Daemons? My normal Kataphrons are useless, especially against Tzeentch bullshit. Any tips?

>>51162861
You don't lose until the end of the turn, and your infiltrators are deployed after your opponent's.

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>>51163050
Because you are lacking faith.

>>51163063
Sounds like the soundtrack from Battlefleet Gothic: Armada

>>51163076
But if all the table is covered up in Orks doesn't that make an auto lose? That is what I'm picturing here.

>>51163090
Does GW have the rights to that music? Seems it could a funny opportunity to sue GW for copy right or some shit.

>>51163052
Dont paste the old rules, they have nothing to do with the new ones. Celestine's rules even point to IA version of Sisters list so if shes with codex: AS then her martyrdom wont affect them.

>>51163096
Probably part of the licensing agreement.

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Someone asked yesterday how big the lady greyfax is, so now ive built her and you can all see.

>>51163117
She's a really nice mini.

>>51163117
Fuck shes like what, 2,3m tall?

>>51163117

I'd also like to point out she's a really well thought out model, there's plenty of room to get a paintbrush in and reach all of the detail even when you've fully assembled her, props to whoever designed her that way

>>51163134

Well she has a big hat and she's wearing crazy tall stilleto heels, but yes shes pretty big

>>51163117

That marine has a special ocular implant and lens specifically so he can scope out dem ripe titties

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>>51162269

>i come here for quality discussion

>>51163117
That's a damn fine model. Will be a ton of work to paint.
Not sure if her, Cawl or Celestine + twins are the hardest ones to paint. I'd honestly put my money on Greyfax, since Cawl is just a Dominus in big and Celestine is like 80% solid armor plates

>>51162955
Mmm. Celestine + Coteaz Castellan army with 6 Exorcists sounds tasty.

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>>51163165
I think cawl will be the most technically difficult because hes got so many bits. Heres the painting guide at the back of the assembly book

>>51163188
there's also a video guide for painting cawl up on warhammer tv

>>51163188
I always find it ironic how all Imperial red colors have Khorne Red as their base.

>>51163206
Greyfax' guide is probably coming today or tomorrow, since it was already shown at the end of the Cawl guide but missing the annotation.

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>>51163188
Depends on how detailed you want to get on Cawl's mech bits. Duncan's tutorial video seems surprisingly easy since he just treats most of it with drybrushed metal and picks out a few important details. If you wanted to edge hightlight and detail everything uniquely then yes he could get pretty crazy.

>>51161951
> admits painting isn't that great, but says damn it, I still at least try to do it
Keep carrying the flame forward anon. You mah nigga

>>51163188
I dont think painting cawl is HARD. Its just going to be tedious. Very tedius. And have to be painted in parts.

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>>51163206
>>51163225

Im building him right now, hes got so much detail on so many bits, to do it properly therell need to be lots of sub assemblies

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BT termie half done, pic quality succs... Do you guys think there will be any BT units released?

>>51163243
>any BT units released
Oh anon, when will you learn that Black Templars are meant for eternal martyrdom as the GW hated chapter?

>>51161951
Actually just applying washed to all those bits would make your models so much better looking.

Washes are life. Watch Duncans tutorials on painting and suddenly everything is so clear and easy.

I actually enjoyed painting first time in my ~20y gaming career because of Duncan.

>>51163236
Well Duncan suggests three

>>51163098
She is from AS faction so regardless what version of SoB you run it would work.

Side note since FoC confirmed I and AS are still valid along side of IA

Could you have two Celestine? Different. Models, rules and books.

Not sure if we had this situation before.

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>>51161649
1000pt Imperial fists list, tried to be fluffy when making it.
What do you guys think?

>>51163267
The Unique rule is a little vague, but I'd say no since it's still the same named character.

>>51163267
Id go with no for the exact same reason you cant have 2 tychos or 2 of any unique character that had rules and model update in different book. Its just the same person in different times so why would they be fighting together.

>>51163267
Like said, Unique is a bit vague but there are other unique models in the game that have different rules.
For instance Tycho of Blood Angels and Carab Culln of Red Scorpions. In both cases they mention that different versions cant be used in a same army for obvious reasons because they are the same person.

Also new Celestine is so much better than old one.

>>51162705
GSC lists that aren't deploying at least a few transports at the start are bad. Good job for separating the wheat from the chaff and teaching the FotM fags a lesson, but if you ever run into a real solid GSC player who knows what they're doing that won't work.

>>51163320
What if you use two different CAD?
Beside theoryhammer and making the big sister little sister joke. Old Celestine wanting to be like her cool new sister.
Using new Celestinenis better.

Side note my local third world country just make a reference of Trump as the God Emperor. It made giggle

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>>51162221
>omg LURK MOAR faggot lol muh sekret club

>>51163320
Old Celestine is a bad ass Repentia, new Celestine is an Emperor deamon.

But I get the point. This is just a strange case that beside the name they are totally different characters, rules, models and fluff wise, but very similar

It is stupid to run both anyway but would be funny

>>51163349
Yeah honestly it was kinda disappointing because I could tell most of the dudes net-listed the same fucking list or were told their tactics by the same alpha fag.

> I actually beat a drop pod melta/flamer list for the first time

>>51163353
>What if you use two different CAD?
No. The Unique rule is just concerned with armies.

>>51162286
Why the fuck do I care if GW is turning a profit. I want to play good games, not go along with their bullshit so they can make money.

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Made my own lost patrol to play with my son while traveling. Good times

>>51163227
Mostly because I dislike doing it but I want nice models and good looking games.

And it gives me the smug satisfaction of having one of the few painted armies.

>>51163367
>they are totally different characters
Ehhh, no. They may have changed/retconned some background, but it's the same character.

Are scout bikers with Grenade launchers usefull ?
They do sound useful, but i am inexperienced and google isnt that helpful....

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>>51163365
How i mine 4 fish?

Can you pick HQ that allows you to field termies or tanks as troops in that new formation for free units?

>>51163072
get good and stop using grav

no luck against tzeentch daemons you fucked boii

>>51163417
great

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>>51163393

Nice dude.

I read a thing a while back that some guy wrote about playing 40K with his kid and how fun it was. Kinda heartwarming, to be honest.

I mean they were playing using Battle for Vedros units/rules, but still.

>>51163393
Damn. That looks awesome!

>>51163437
They seriously re-released the garbage vehicles.

Well BfW confirmed useless.

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>>51163425
Castellan? No. It's extremely explicit about which units can go in which slots and doesn't allow any force org modification shenanigans.

How does an Archon even find Mandrakes if they only live in pitch black dark places he's going to get shanked at?

>>51163459
Fuck me all these people complaining about devestator squad boxes and Ork players are still being given 2nd ed vehicles
> oh well at least its not the night lords champion

>>51163470
He beings meatshields along.

>>51163470
Craigslist

>>51163481
Not just 2nd ed buggies and wartrakks, that's the previous ed truck too.

>>51163487
Khurraighslist*

It's the superior Eldar version.

>>51163499
Honestly I wouldn't mind the trukk if it didn't have goddamn hobgoblins driving it
> thats a seriously dick move from GW to even sell them anymore

>>51163481
The devastator box thing was poking fun at the apes that use the shitty list builder to make devastator squads with 9 multimeltas.

>>51163517
If the wartrakk at least was cheap I could use them for grot tank tracks.

>>51163517
Given that was the first citadel kit I got my hand on back on gorkamorka day, I can't help feeling some nostalgic love for them.

Fun to see they are still sold more than fifteen years after.

>>51163459

It's because they're reusing the old Assault on Black Reach molds to get a last ounce of life out of them before they are retired.

BfV is aimed at being dirt cheap entry level wargaming for kids. The rules are one page long and everything is pushfit.

It's literally babby's first tabletop game.

It's not meant for "us", it's meant for kids who see it in a toy store and like the box art and play a few games with their friends and then maybe eventually start getting into the actual game later.

Alternately, shit like the starter kit is a good buy if you get it from a 20% off online retailer and use it to get your friend/girlfriend/roommate interested in the hobby.

Lastly, the old ork trukks are cool so shut up

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>>51163518
> Melta
Wots dat

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>>51163557

>>51163557
>Electro-Priests
No wonder Cadia was lost if that's all the AdMec brought.

>>51163565
whats that ?

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>>51163557
>>51163565

>>51163557
For a moment I thought that was Deathwatch allying with Eldrad and was about to REEEEEEE


But no, it's Templars allying in with literally the race they hate most because Psykers and Xenos and I don't know if that's any better

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>>51163570

>>51163467
>Taking Raptors chapter models in your army and the whole detachment gains Scout and 1st turn Stealth
>Taking Coteaz and giving all non-vehicles Obsec.
I just keep finding more and more ways to break this shit.

Also before someone who doesnt know his rules says that Chapter Tactic-sharing wouldnt work, read them again. Says Detachment, not models. Would even give scout to FW-knights or Cypher wielded in normal Raptors CAD.

>>51163575
Oh fuckin shit
what does that mean

>>51163437
>>51163438
The deathwatch won (my son), but I killed 3 of them. I may have been playing the game wrong. The rules are very different to actual 40k

>>51163575
is the new boss for eldars xD

Everyone is getting thier FoC shit and I'm still waiting for Vyridian from the first batch

Bloody GW just keep avoiding a straight answer. If the bloody thing is lost give me my money back I don't care at this point for the bloody bitch

>>51163407
They're pretty useful for they do.
Mines are pretty fun and their rapid fire grenade launchers are pretty good for spamming s6 attacks.

People generally don't use them because for a handful more points you can just Bering regular marines on bikes with more powerful special weapons.

>>51163150
A big girl

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>>51163587

>>51163117
Is the first batch still completely sold out? Does that mean I won't get the one I asked my local store manager to reserve for this Saturday? He seemed pretty uncertain about it.

Guy that is following 40K by "wave" for a long time here.
When did the way GW wrote their fluff change that much?

From what I remind of my day back in V3 and V4, perspective was always, Imperium-wise, like "those legion of untold heroes figthing and sacrificing everything to protect their shitty small parcel of the galaxy against a bit longer against multiple threats".

But when I read recent addition, like the recent stuff on Damocles Crusade or this upcoming Fall of Cadia thing, it always seems to feature the same dozen of well know characters, fighting each other with their plot-shield.


Where are this poor guardmen from the 122nd Cadian that lost half of a company for a single building in a remote agriworld called Vogen ?

>>51163621

So 8th will have a last stand of men and filthy space elves?

>>51163586
Chapter Tactics only effects models with the "Chapter Tactics" rule.

>>51163621
Thats totally a new Drazhar or some Incubi character
> Dark eldar players getting characters
> Rip Black Templars

>>51163645
Dont matter to me as everything makes the same bio-mass

>>51163654
>BT
>Characters

You disgust me, go back to the crusader squad and charge! Special characters are for cowards

>>51163621
Pretty much guaranteed to be Arhra at this point.

>>51163661

As far as I can see Nids have been shoved into a corner where all they can do is desperately recycle their dwindling biomass reserves into flyrants in a desperate attempt to stave off extinction.

>>51163621
So is everyone just chillin' in Commorragh?

>>51163676
We just need more exocrines and zoanthropes

>>51163686
Well the webway at least.

>>51163652
Like I said, shut up if you dont know the rules I'm talking about.

>>51163459

There's always Gormamorka in our hearts ;_;

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>>51163700

>>51163714
>FROM TWO DIFFERENT CHAPTERS

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>>51163714
Like I said about knowing the rules..

>>51163673
Not be Arhra, it is a reborn character of the eldar mythology... and until here i can say :P

>>51163736
>>51163700
>>51163586
Interesting from an academic perspective, but no one would ever let you pull that shit in game.

>>51163771
Same goes then for Coteaz and his Obsec. RAW is clear as fuck in that.

>>51163771
doesnt the detachement needs to have this special rule? because is doenst say anything like the raven guard nightfighting rule."if your army contains at least one RG unit"

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>>51163714
>>51163723
>>51163736

>as per the Raven Guard Chapter Tactics in Codex: Space Marines
Raven Guard Chapter Tactics were update bro. You don't get to use the old version any more. So even if that shitty interpretation worked it's completely moot.

>>51163795
It says non-vehicles do walkers get Objective Secure too? :^)

>>51163795
Coteaz works. Raptors do not.

>>51163815
Per ITC you use the rules stated in that document. And I agree with that view of rules, it makes it less confusing to just the rules stated in the document.

>>51163816
No you fucking dont start this again. I'm going to find out where you live, I'm going to find you and then I'm going to dreadsock you till you repent.

>>51163587
>>51163575
So is it a CWE character then? Looks like a mix between a DE incubi and maybe a Saim Hann Autarch.
Please GW no more I've already bled my wallet dry

>>51163756
>>51163756
mmmm., eldarnesh, Ulthanesh or both, their separation was what caused the age of division for the Eldars... could have met again?, the leaked text describes two characters who are not known by the imperium.
>>51163585

>>51163843
>ITC
Good luck getting this shit adopted for ITC. And who gives a shit? You're trying to do bullshit RAW rules-lawyering. What ITC says is wholly irrelevant.

>>51163585
IS IT YRIEL?
Is the Avatar of Cegorach rumour confirmed?

>>51161951
>I can't paint well but I still paint.
those minis are not bad, you just need to do some shading and they will look nice.

remember that saint Duncan is with us with his tutorials

>>51163862
yeah its irrelevant what ITC says. That wasnt the point of this anyway.

>>51163862
>>51163843
we should just roll a d6 and decide whos correct

>>51163851
>>51163873
Fuck me its definately 40k end times

>>51163886
I'm okay with this as it might mean i can bitch about my game dying

>>51163843
Honey calm down, he used the :^) it was clear it was a shitpost.

Calm down and get back to bed.

Is not like you need to tell people what is is inside your transports :^)

>>51163880
Fair enough, but by neither RAW nor RAI do Raptors grant scout to the whole Castellan formation.

>>51163892
Oh hell yes, we might just rejuvenate the general yet

>>51163921
>rejuvenate
40kgen is the most active general on /tg/ though?

>>51163924
Sadly
This thread has so far been 50% some dude bitching about ork players bitching

Chaos Space Marines are college students that need safe spaces and cry when daddy doesn't support their stupid ideas.

SJW Chaos Space Marines with the Eye of Terror being their safe space. That is why they want to expand it.

Bunch of crybabies

>>51163968
Fuck off back to
>>>/cm/

>>51163873
Wait & see ... you will seee "soon" a new box with several new characters for eldars... like triumvirate box :P

>>51163968
Frankenstein bait sucks. At least find some way to make it original and wholly 40k relevant.

>>51163883
Fuck rolling off for rules issues. I'm game if there's something that truly doesn't make sense RaW and RaI, but shit like this? Hell naw.

>>51163995
Well the Eye of Terror being a Safe Space for the traitor legions is kind of true.

>>51163990
But how many are of them are Alpharius?

>>51163851
one last clue ... one of the pics seen on "Rumor Engine" belongs to one of these characters

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>>51164023
Not sure how that's much of a clue.

>>51164023
Eldranesh, Ulthanesh?

>>51164030
Looks like AoS.

>>51162063
no, most people hate FW

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Cawl is fucking huge
And fiddly. Would recommend tweezers.

>>51164039
I refer to those that will come in a new box, I can not give more clues, wait & see :P

>>51164030
It is not that image ;)

>>51163756
Hmm. Maybe Death Masques sorta worked and it's Ynnead?

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>>51164064
This one then. Even less useful. The other unrevealed rumor engines are the Dwarf thing and the striped tail, which is likely an AoS Gryph-hound.

>>51164051
have fun painting all that detail with the body glued on

>>51164064
>>51164099
Drastanta?

>>51164051
>axe head the size of a Space Marine torso
Jeebus, that IS big.
His base is the same as a Sydonian Dragoon's right?

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Is this?

>>51164143
Oh right I missed that one. Certainly looks like it could be Eldar.

do the laughing god have a avatar?

>>51164173
does* fucking english is hard

>>51164173
No. Khaine has Avatars because he was shattered.

>>51161649

I need some opinions.

I'm building about 20 Space Marine Sternguard. I'm not really a fan of the loincloth legs so I opted to just give them all a Crux Terminatus shoulder pad to distinguish them. I was dry-fitting some today though and it just doesn't look right, they all look too unstable with a huge shoulder pad vs. a slim one.

So long story short would anyone have a seizure if I ran 20 Sternguards with nothing separating them from normal marines expect 1. some of them are running and 2. the four sided veteran decal you get in the box?

>>51164173
Nah, not in sense of what Avatar of Khaine is. They have "avatars" in sense of supreme troupe leaders. Atleast they used to, new rules didnt give them out for some reason.

>>51162705
Shouldn't he have deployed at least one unit from cult ambush after your first kommando unit infiltrated I thought infiltrators alternated deployment back and forth.

>>51164203
Can't you just come up with an appropriate color scheme to distinguish veterans of your chapter ? I may be a pretty neat solution to your problem.

Hey guys
New to 40K and the lore got me hooked. Currently digging the Imperium. Any cool specific characters/chapters/roles etc you suggest me reading about?

>>51164212
The whole Red Kommandos formation counts as one reserve, so it was back and forth, they just gave me the first one by accident because they didn't expect it

When are the FoC models shipping? I'm seeing people getting their models already and mine is still pending.

>>51164203
You'd better give them a dashing good paint job to seperate them from Tacs and at least some fancy bits on the helmet/pauldrons etc.

>>51164203
Most people probably wouldn't mind. But you should try to at least paint them as Vets. Most chapters have a easy way that 1st company is distinguished. Like the white helms and shoulder trim of Ultras or the gold helms of Blood Angels.

>>51164108

it's not glued on, its just balancing there, im not stupid

>>51164267
dammit anon why do you have to be smarter than i am

>>51164143
That's definitely a violet robe on top of a base.

>>51164197

>Khaine has avatars because he was a shithead

>>51164218
Novel wise Dan Abnett's Eisenhorn and Gaunt's Ghosts books are great. Sandy Mitchell's Ciaphas Cain books are fun too. Jumping into the Horus Heresy with the first book Horus Rising is a solid place to start too.

For just general lore just go to Lexicanum and dig for stuff you find interesting.

>>51164215
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I kind of like them looking like normal marines, the army is RT inspired.

If it's any consolation they all have a dagger SS style.

>>51164267
I want to know why you have them?! And mine are still pending

I'm going make new emails now. Because the bastards are not responding for the other others not arriving. Things bought in November for fuck sake

>>51164294
Yes

>>51163850
>Looks like a mix between a DE incubi and maybe a Saim Hann Autarch.

Well considering that GW is bringing stuff like Primarch's into the picture for Chaos and the Imperials, I wouldn't be surprised if they are bringing in other "mythical" figures from the other races too.

Like say, maybe Arhra?

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>Drazhar confirmed helping Imperials and other Eldar allies
Grand Battletome: Eldar when?

>>51164218
Eisenhorn is always a good start, I recommend anything from the Imperial Guard's perspective initially honestly. Since it gives a good idea of what the setting is from the "average" person. So the Cain novels and Gaunt's Ghost are pretty good.

If you want something Space Marine related then some of the Space Marine Battle books are decent. Mostly a case of pick whichever interests you with that lineup.

Other than that I also highly suggest the Night Lords trilogy, for something from the Chaos Space Marine side of things.

So I will be entering my first 40k tournament soon, and I play dark eldar do you have any helpful advice for me? I have played in a couple of fantasy tournaments so I am not unfamiliar with tournament play, just looking for some advice when it comes to 40k.

So when is alpharius coming back?

>>51164318
Celestine and Cawl are certainly also meant to be their Factions' primarch equivalents so they are bound to eventually stock up on them for pretty much all races.
I wonder what they'd do with Tau. Just bringing "super armor #17492 with unique name" really won't be a memorable character.
Orks are probably going to get Ghazghul as a The Beast reincarnated if he keeps on WAAGH-ing like he has the past 20 or whatever years.

>People deny that Commoragh is basically one big reluctant Slaanesh cult in denial

>>51164350
It would be good to have a special Ethereal of some sort that was actually worth a damn and looked cool. They've been garbage forever.

>>51164350
I don't really know about the Tau, they'd probably just get more battlesuits or something. Character wise the only big name equivalent is Puretide.

Though it would be hilariously if they officially introduced O'Kais into the game to replace that Ethereal they killed of. To up the Tau special character numbers or something.

As for other races, I can see them bringing in the Silent King for Necrons, and more C'tan seems like a really obvious one.

The Dark Eldar also have a lot of people to bring considering the purge that happened previously due to lacking models.

>>51163621

Arhra confirmed.

>>51164412
Or a corsair prince.

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>This is the main problem of Warhammer
prove me wrong faggots

>>51164422
Nah, it's WAACfags that are a bigger pain

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>>51164434
>That look in lefty's eyes

>>51164422
Kids are good. I don't want mini games to turn into pre-movies era superhero comics.

>>51164434
>not even playing Warhammer 40k
Not my game, not my problem.

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>>51164434
wait the problem is for kids to pick up a hobby? I mean new blood into a hobby such as this one isnt really a problem i think.

>>51164422

Yeah, AoS is pretty horrible.

Hopefully it'll eventually mitigate with the abscence of Kirby's agenda. At the moment they have to try to fix it to save face instead of quietly downplaying it.

>>51164434
Is that a mini Matt from MWG?

>>51164422
the problem with warhammer are the faggots who don't paint or play but bitch relentlessly