Warhammer 40,000 General

>>51157688
First for sweet daddy Cawl

First for if you use Cawl or Celestine I'm taking three riptides and a wraithknight

>>51157713
Completely justified
Field Greyfax every game and earn respect

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>>51157688

>>51157713
You were probably going to do that anyway to be quite honest with you family member

Why do orks have to pay the same price as marnes for worse weapons on weaker platforms?

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>>51157688

Fifth for Cadia is gone and never coming back

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Nth for Best Clan

Who do you think the next returning Primarch is going to be? Who do you want it to be? Are there any rumors as to who it will be?

Any new pictures from FoC?

>>51157744

Row Boat Girly Man

Asking here because the other thread is turbo dieing:

I wanna run a Catellans detachment for my BTs for a 850 tourney we'll have soon. Is that feasable at all? What would be the best second faction to splash in? (From a point, crunch and cash cost perspective)

Can't use unique characters, so Wrathful Crusade was out of the question.

>>51157744
Ghost Ferrus

>>51157744
Its going to be girlyman. Not in a dreadnought though, whoever keeps pushing that is a faggot.

There's a chance it'll be the lion, and if he's not first he's second.

Here's the real question: what would you want your primarch or PEQ to do when they are released /tg/?

>>51157757
>>51157748

>>51157772

roboute guilliman should wipe out the Tau once and for all

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Reasonably-close-to-first post for army and game pics anons. Also what are you all up to?
I also really like this pic right here just for how cinematic my Tank Commander looks. Do you guys/traps have any favorite pics as well?

>>51157797

I wish the pic was larger.

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Here's my fluffy fall of cadia list, what do you guys think?

Not pictured is SAINT CELESTINE because list builder doesn't have her, and obviously the Imperial CAD is actually the crusade detachment with re-spawning troops

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>>51157814

>>51157814
illegal/10

Chaos Space Marines are SJW, the Eye of Terror is their Safe Space.

Horus Heresy started because they got their feelings hurt

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>>51157772
He already was released and he didn't hit hard enough when getting revenge.

>>51157814
Those 4 infantry squads are less than one troop choice.

>>51157840
Yep
>I WILL FUCKING DESTROY FENRIS. FUCK THE WOLVES!
>Grimnar used Khorne antipsyker axe it's super efective
>well fuck this, this entire war was not about Fenris, it was about puling Sortiarius from warp
>YEA I FUCKING WON FUCK YOU FUCKFURRIES!
>silent one eyed crying

Anons, how big is a Daemon Prince compared to a Space Marine? I'm going to order one once I've finished painting my first squads of CSM so I can do a small CAD and work my way up to my army.

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I updated my Word Bearer list. Cadia will fall. Nearly everything in this army is Obsec and Crusader, so it will summon, camp stuff, and bully you.

The Cultists are Fearless. The Lord and Sorcerer join them to give them Crusader & Obsec.

Dropped the Malefic Tome and some other bits to split a unit of three Spawn into two units of two. I might drop flamers from the Cultists, but it keeps some "small" MSU stuff honest.

Scrolls of Magnus are basically me being crazy and going "You know what, I want a second Obsec Psyker in my Warband, point costs be damned."

>>51157772
>YFW the Lion comes back as a traitor

Eldrad was killed off, but he seems to still be alive in the 'current' events of the last few releases.

Does this mean that his death has been retconned, or does it simply happen after the things which are being written now?

Also, what are the chances that we will get a new plastic regiment now that Cadia has been wrecked and half the Cadian characters are dead or MiA?

>>51157772
>Not in a dreadnought though, whoever keeps pushing that is a faggot.
nah dreadnoughts are cool I like that guy

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>>51157923
>what are the chances that we will get a new plastic regiment now

>>51157894
Compare the base sizes

>>51157923
He was killed in 4th edition
In 6th edition(eldar don't hve 5th) they keep him alive, just by not mentioning he died.

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>>51157797
A memorable game.

>>51157894
About 2.5x as tall

>>51157923
The entire 13th Black Crusade was retconned. Eldrad was alive and kicking in all recent fiction such as Death Masque, and likely will be from now on since GW seems not to want to kill off characters.

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>>51157961
>since GW seems not to want to kill off characters.

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>>51157959
Unpainted models. Disgusting.

Picture related just keeps getting confirmed. Girls play Nids

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>>51157959

>>51157977
Sorry.
>Since GW seems not to want to kill off characters that matter

>>51157959
>unpainted

>>51158012
because if they kill off a character people might actually care about people might quit playing the fucking game

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>>51157986
What is the purpose of those egg things?

>>51157904
Fluffy out of 10. Maybe needs more dark apostle and blue / brimstone horrors to really get your summoning going.

>>51158039
anal beads i believe

>>51157961
>GW seems not to want to kill off characters.

They literally just killed Creed and Kell.

>>51157961
They killed Tycho(3rd company capitan Blood Angels) in BA codex, Aun'Va(tau pope) in Mo'ntka, Kell in FoC and make Creed missing(tranzyn stole him). Also they kill Uriah Jacobus in 2 ed sSisters of Battle(but in 6th and IA he's alive).
Btw GW add shittone of characters in 5th edition and cut them in 6th and 7th.

>>51158039
They go inside you. Some people are into alien impregnation

>>51158050
>Creed
Abducted by skeletonrobots

>>51158065
Is that why Genesteaker Cults are so popular?

I hate GW now
>read Astra Militarum 6th codex(IG)
>wow Creed is cool guy and Kell, nice
>1 week later "Abby killed Kell, alien abduction of Creed.
>FFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUU

>>51158048
you don't want to stick anything in your ass that you can't pull out, they'll go into her pus like ben wa balls.

>>51158093
Maybe. Brood mother and alien bug rape are not that of an outrageous fantasy.

>can't field Cawl or Celestine without incurring nerdrage
>can't field Cawl or Celestine in a fluffy list without attracting WAACfaggotry
>can't field Cawl or Celestine against friends

what is the fucking point

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>>51158100

wew lad imagine what the rest of us IG who don't play cadians feel

to GW only Cadians exist

>>51157738

Nova Cadia lives.

Cadia will exist in perpetuity through its prolific diaspora, serving the Emperor and retiring across the galaxy, forming untold numbers of Nova Cadia and variants thereof.

>>51158100

pretty obvious that Creed will outsmart Trazyn and bail everyone out of jail in time for the Siege of Terra

on top of the missing 100 baneblades

>>51158109
sorry thought they had a string attached to em

>>51158117
If your friends complain about you using a new model then get non shit friends

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>>51158117
You can field them against tau players

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>>51158050
Creed didn't die.
Trazyn put him in a pokeball, which means we'll probably see more of Trazyn in this campaign.
Perhaps a galatic road trip to gather the craftiest thieves and tactical geniuses in the galaxy to beat abby?
great, now I want a picture of Trazyn, creed, the blood ravens and the like all in a car on such a roadtrip. Where are the drawfags when you need them?

>>51158134

I look forward to the 10 part novel series BL will come out chronicling the misadventures of creed

>>51158109
Theyre gelatin eggs, they melt in you

>>51158117
>Proxy Cawl as a Dominus
>Use Celestine but with her rules from the still legal 6E Sisters codex
There done

>>51158117

> Can't field Cawl against friends

[laughs binarically]

I field 2 15-man Peltasts units with a Dominus in each one for that juicy 2+ armor rerolling ones, Cawl is less abusive in comparison

So when are orks going to get their turn for some of the good shit GW is passing out these days

>>51158056
>They killed Tycho(3rd company capitan Blood Angels) in BA codex
they killed him in third edition, over fifteen years ago

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>>51158134
>implying Trazyn didn't capture creed just to make sure he can help the imperium and not die.
Trazyn best cron. He did nothing wrong, he just wants to find someone who cares about his toys, since all the other crons don't like him.

>>51158150
How and why do you know this anon?

So my brother just bought a 3d printer what do?

>>51157977

Aun'Va has long been in the shadow of Farsight and Shadowsun in terms of attention. Farsight dying would be a major event; Aun'va changes nothing, especially when the Tau were just able to use holograms to stop anyone from knowing.

It's the perfect example of something that SHOULD be a major event, but because of the way GW have written it, it's literally less important than the Swarmlord dying.

>>51158173
Hopefully soon.
I'm not an ork player, but I unironically want this whole thing to end with ghazzy headbutting abby, ripping his arms off and then leaving.

>>51158180
Because extensive fetish research.

>>51158182

Shove it up your ass

>>51158182
print a car

>>51158172
Fuck Peltasts and FUCK YOU

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>>51158173

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Also played a smaller 500pt game today against a Nurgle bro. Laughs and shit were had. And bought a Punisher for Pask which I'm currently putting together right now. Are you doing any hobbying today anons? And do you have any games planned?

>>51158248
Im making progress on my Terminator Captain. Theres so many small details.

Need to introduce more color variety in my guardsmen, but changing the uniforms is a no-go. I've got a decent white/Caucasian and can use shades to give it a darker Latino shade. Any good color combos for a black that's lighter than Duncan's Dark Skin tone recipe? I want a rainbow of (ugly) guardsmen; not just monochrome (ugly) guardsmen.

>>51158211

>Cadia explodes
>WAAAGHs detect explosion
>Orks want a piece of that action

Well, on one hand i am happy the black tenplars have a formation they can use now. On the other hand, I have to buy some Militarum Tempestus to use them (I don't have any Imperium armies other than Templars and Skitarii, the latter can't be used in Castellans of the Imperium or Wrathful Crusade).

>>51158042
One thing I'm thinking of doing is dropping the flamers from the Cultists, so I can give Dirge Casters to my Rhinos (with so many "small assault" units, every little bit helps) and so I can take the Malefic Tome again. Thoughts?

As for summoning, I'm still looking at 8 Warp Charge base (plus the d6), but I auto-summon one on 5 dice, and am fairly confident of getting the other one off on 4.

The list originally had a second Blue Horror unit, but I dropped it to add more Cultists and the 4th Spawn.

The Lord is basically Smashfucker's evil cousin. Or maybe I should call him Spellfucker, because he tears stuff up. The funniest game I've gotten, he rolled Sunburst on Scrolls of Magnus and wiped out two Reaver squads, a remnant DE squad and a Scourge unit in one go, Haywire sergeants and all! The end result, combined with Favored Scions was him making 8(!) rolls on the Chaos Boon table and basically becoming a super-Smashfucker with T6, S5(10), and 2+ rerollable armor, and Shrouded for 2+ Jink.

Shit was insane.

>>51158195
They should cut swarmlord from the tyranids. It just does not fit to tyranids. They supposed to be mindless swarm slaved to hive mind, and from 5th ed we have better nids general than hive mind and he is also independent.

>>51158211

I think Ghazghkull slapped them around recently toward combating the Tyranids in Octarius.

>>51158248
Painting Shotgun Carapace Vets and Pask Punisher. Hoping to get some games this weekend and post photos. Gonna make you proud GGA.

>>51158272
But anon. The minorities are the first to die.

>>51158248
>Are you doing any hobbying today anons?
working on lizardmen for WHFB (not AoS, fuck that game) mostly. But my 2nd levithan arrived today, so I may begin to assemble that later tonight for my 30k ultras.
>And do you have any games planned?
Sadly nope. Such is the life of a criminal defense lawyer: a good deal of money for hobbies but not enough time to get a them in.
Instead of playing with toy soldiers this weekend I get to spend my time interviewing witnesses and going over facts for a child molestation trial! Someone please kill me.

>>51158294

Its pretty obvious that this war will roll over towards the black crusade. Chaos gods want it because it would cockblock Abaddon while increasing productivity of Chaosy things, and Abaddon will try to disengage and blitz Terra with half the crusade while the rest of the Imperium is still dealing with Tyranids raining everywhere.

>space Canada has fallen

oh god, what will the Imperium of mankind do for syrup now?!

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>GW releases two new formations for Admech
>that don't allow any FW units
>right before FW releases IA to give Admech a ton of units

Why is GW so fucking stupid about formations?

Castellans turned out alright, but the Conclave and Grand Convocations are a joke. Convocation is actually hilarious when you look at what you have to take, what you can take in it and what bonuses it gives.

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>>51158310
>>51158324
Here's a pic from one of mine anons. I know the Marines are painted a little sloppily but they made great targets for the Hammer of the Emperor. I wish you both luck in all of your upcoming games.

So anons about hidden information :^)

>>51158362

Stupid? They're fucking geniuses. Admech players gobble up GW merchandise, and not from the Chinkmen. Admech customers will have to buy even more merchandise to field viable 30k and 40k armies. And thats not even going into that fucking Battletech Knight that will be all the rage.

>>51158117
>can't field riptides or ghostkeel without incurring nerdrage
>can't field riptides or gostkeel in a fluffy list wihtout attracting WAAC faggotry
>can't field riptide or ghostkeel against friends

>>51158377
You don't have to tell me what's in your Rhino as long as we can agree my Maulerfiend is not a vehicle and my winged DP is not a MC.

>>51158395

>implying Tau players have friends

>>51158182
print terrain and then realize you can't print anything else because it has to be sanded or else it looks like it's made of layered turds

>>51158376
My body is ready. The store manager is ready for a rematch against me so I'm hoping to bring some fun. I only have about 1000 points painted, but I have a lot of options to field various things so I want to start bumping up the points more to at least 1850-2000.

>>51158202
Stop bitching X, your Y deserved it

>>51158395
Has anyone actually non-ironically complained about the Ghostkeel after the first month or so after it came out? The only times it's nerdrage-inducingly good are in OSC solely to drink the tears of Guardfags and HRC, the latter of which is infamous for spamming the Stormsurge, not Ghostkeel.

>>51158248
>500 points
>pask

fuck you you're a cunt, resize your images, paint your models better, etc etc

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So i am playing in a shop event in a few weeks where it is everyone brings about or exactly a start collecting box worth of models and we play 2v2 and 3v3 games and i'm playing thousand sons and can't decide between termies or rubrics what do you guys think i should use?

>>51158409
actual terrain isnt that bad of an idea if filaments for the fucking thing are like 15 dollars for 250 feet.

>>51158287
you only get chaos boons if you win a challenge

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>>51158395
Tau players

>>51158437
Necrons

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>>51158423

>OSC
>HRC

>>51158437

Anon, you don't have nearly enough points to field thousand sons against SC boxes

>>51158381
>Don't allow people to use FW stuff in 40k
>Surely this will result in even more sales as people buy more of what they already have!

I don't see your logic here

I think every 40k admech player out there would probably buy rapetrains, tanks and robutts when they have rules because they're sexy as hell, and the amount of people that have both 30k and 40k Mechanicum/Admech armies are probably not that high

>>51158324
>>Are you doing any hobbying today anons?
>working on lizardmen for WHFB (not AoS, fuck that game)
>>And do you have any games planned?
>no
maybe if you played a game that was alive (AoS) you could find games

>>51158362
>not gw models
>not sold in GW stores

>>51158437
necrons, they're the only viable robot army at that point range

>>51158461
>FW models
>not GW models

They aren't Citadel models, but they are GW models.

The money is GW's.

>>51158457
>>51158501

clearly GW doesn't feel this way

>>51158451
>Optimized Stealth Cadre
Ghostkeel fucks around with some Stealthsuits, they get a rule that lets them teleport behind enemy vehicles regardless of facing. Nothin personnel Guardfags.

>Heavy Retribution Cadre
A Ghostkeel is joined by two units of Stormsurges. They get some other retarded rule but it's used to spam Stormsurges more than anything and is obnoxious af. You can fit it into a 1k list.

>>51158461
Does that mean you wont let my alpha legion use my sicarin or fellblade?

>>51157772

I want my Primarch to return with DOOM in hand, for all the galaxy to bow before his dark majesty and worship! The Ultramarines will learn the cost of doing a corpse's bidding for ten thousand years!

>>51158458
Oh gee anon, I'm sure playing an abortion of a game like AoS will somehow miraculously make all crime disappear and free up my time!
Dumbass, read the whole post before you make a retarded reply next time.

>>51158457
most GW fans think forgeworld is overpriced garbage and refuses to pay their ludicrous prices

>>51158527
>ten thousand years later, nerd still bullied

>>51158511
Well either that or they are idiots and designed their formations in a shit way. I'd say that's more likely considering that they also decided to give us formations that need 4k points naked to get their bonuses.

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>>51158445

>>51158533
and yet I'm playing games this weekend

who's the real dumbass (hint it's you)

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>Saint Curie's Autopurger
>An important character of old martian tradition that SHONE WITH PURIFYING LIGHT, Saint Curie is the patron of Radsmiths and Biologis Eradacatii on all of Mars and beyond. Created by the Genocidius Conclave in honour of the saint, the Autopurger exhales howling clouds of highly irradiated incense that quickly intoxicate biological organisms

HOLY SHIT THEY ALREADY HAD TESLA'S SKULL AND NOW MARIE CURIE IS A MECHANICUM SAINT.

>>51158424
Anon I'm building him now. I really don't like when my shit is unpainted. That's why I try to paint my models up before I buy more. But that game I went full shit mode and brought a Master of Ordinance which did nothing.

>>51157772
I need my perfect primarch Fulgrim to come back and re-open Roboute's neck.

>>51158442
That's actually a common misunderstanding.

Although Champions of Chaos *must* issue or accept Challenges, a Champion of Chaos kills a character by ANY means that is not Sweeping Advance must immediately roll on the Chaos Boon table.

Because of Favored Scions (from the Warband), any time a character gets to roll because of killing an enemy character, you roll *twice* and you get to choose whether you want either/both boons, so it also reduces your odds of turning into a Spawn/Prince at the wrong time.

>>51158553

stop forcing your shitty memes, mong

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>>51158537
>Adeptus Mechanicus and Skitarii Forces are able to take the Triarios Armored Transport as a Dedicated Transport

They would sell tens of thousands of those things overnight

>>51158522
>>51158501
not what i meant sorry, but GW hasn't made a supplement with any forgeworld models they didn't already sell in stores.

>>51158442
it's actually any time you kill a character, ranged or melee. part of what made the saint celestine vs abaddon fight silly was abaddon would be getting boons every turn due to how easy it would be for him to kill the squad

>>51158437

Termies, rubrics are lasgun bait.

>>51158455
any of the boxes make about 500pts so a exalted sorc and a squad
>>51158495
i don't really care about viability i just want to play some sons

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>>51158570

>>51158574
all space marine dreadnoughts count as dreadnoughts for decurions

oh look, the sales of all the forgeworld dreadnoughts haven't gone up at all

aka: you're a fucking retard

>>51158558
Anon, once again, go back and read my original post.
I don't have an issue with getting games, since I have a great group of friends who've been playing together for years now.
I'm a lawyer, and I don't have free time for games because my clinet and their case come before plastic models.
Seriously, I don't know how you missed that part.

>>51158593
go for the terminators, they're less shit

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>>51157977
>tfw the Blueberry pope mattered so little they easily replaced him hologram Tupac style

>>51158605
>oh look, the sales of all the forgeworld dreadnoughts haven't gone up at all
[citation needed]
Also the Triaros is both balls-out broken and a direly-needed niche that the GW Admech codices don't have filled, unlike the FW Marine dreads in both cases.

>>51158612
because I didn't miss any part of your posts you dumb fuck, I'm an engineer and I love fucking with people, why do you think I'm still here after all these years? at least we both have money, so we're not as dumb as those who struggle with chinese recasts

>>51158056
>Kell in FoC
KELL IS DED? NOOOOOOOOOO
Yes, I live under a rock in /hhg/

>>51158637
look at GW's financial reports you dumb retard, forgeworld didn't dramatically shoot through the roof as every marine player rushed out to buy dreadnoughts

you're guessing at conjecture, just because you want to buy forgeworld doesn't mean everyone else does, fuck there's lots of people who outright ban forgeworld, guess what, you'll never get formations which have forgeworld units, never!

>>51158612
>>51158646

Jokes on you white collar bitches, I'm a lottery winner and I stay at home all day from my high rise suite laughing my ass off watching little gremlins like you squirm for six figure pay while I drink root beer in my left hand and paint with my lifetime supply of artificer xs brushes with my right.

>>51158605
>>51158669

You're a fucking moron, m8

The largest hole in the Admech codex is that they have no transports at all. NONE. ZERO. There is NOTHING even remotely comparable in the Admech codexes.

When the Triarios comes it will be the only transport that the Admech has, on top of being a fantastic model and having great rules in 30k.

Comparing it to yet another fucking dreadnought is retarded you god damn moron.

>guess what, you'll never get formations which have forgeworld units, never!
Almost every formation GW has ever made has forgeworld units viable to be placed in it. Do you even understand how this shit works you mongoloid?

Unfortunately the text seems pretty clear that Sven and the Firehowlers go out with the destruction of the Blackstone Fortress "Thus did the Firehowlers of Fenris go one last time into glory".

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30k Mechanicum>>>>>40k Adeptus Mechanicus

>>51158669
>do my work for me!
Excellent meme my friend.

>fuck there's lots of people who outright ban forgeworld
They're retarded.

>you'll never get formations which have forgeworld units, never!
I already have them they're from Forge World though so I guess they're too OP for you and don't count :^)

>>51158687
if you wasted money like that you'd be one of those homeless lottery winners

>>51158451
>OSC
Optimized Stealth Cadre

>HRC
Heavy Retribution Cadre

Tau formations.

>>51158756

Sounds like your FW models are your only friends.

>>51158786
Nice projection but I actually have a group that's made up of reasonable and cool people who both allow and use FW. Shit's great, and I pity those who still suffer the backasswards mindset of HURR FW OP.

>>51158756
>waaaaaaaa I want things
fuck you nobody else wants them
>sure they do, i bet they would get all the money
no they wouldn't you're stupid
>i already have the things but they're from forgeworld

so your problem was you didn't have formations but you already have formations?

fuck off

>>51158803
I doubt that considering that you imagine up problems that don't exist and then whine about them

>>51158817
>skipping the replies that made you look like a retard

Get over it anti-FW anon

The Triarios will sell like hotcakes as soon as it can be used in 40k because to not have a Triarios will be to not be competitive. There is nothing GW makes for Admech that can fill the niche. It's not a matter of the FW version that is stronger like your dumb fucking Dread comparison, it's a matter of a unit that covers a distinct weakness in a codex finally being available. Once it comes you will never see a serious competitive or tourney list for Admech that doesn't have at least one until GW gets off their ass and makes an Admech transport

>>51158817
What the fuck are you talking about? I'm not the anon who was talking about wanting the Triaros, I just stepped in when i saw you were spouting shit. My OP is >>51158637.

Good to see I was right on the money marking you as a total retard who doesn't know what he's talking about, seeing as you've reverted to ad-homs and fabrications as soon as you're challenged.

and ad mech shitposting begins

>>51158881
and it will never end, praise be the imperium, because as bad as the xenos get the imperium is a hundred times worse

I don't think I've seen a tau shitpost in a dozen generals, but I see lots of anti-tau hate.

>>51157956
32mm and 60mm, right?

>>51157961
Two and a half times, huh? Anyone have any pics of one side by side?

>>51158859
>FW isn't over powered
>you need it though because it's seriously competitive

so FW is overpowered?

>>51158376

It's hard to see. Please post larger pics.

>>51158904
Wowzers Anon, I wonder why the Tau players are quiet and Imperium players are loudly discussing new stuff?

Maybe it's because they haven't gotten anything in what? 6 months?

>>51158688
>transports

i'm curious, do people rely on transports that much? the most i've seen in my past few games is a drop pod or 2

>>51158913
Do you understand how to read words?

Not overpowered. A niche. Do you understand what the word Niche means? Or what it means to have an infantry army with 0 transports for infantry?

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First for no highlighting until everything is base coated.

>>51158931
Yes. It stops your squishy dudes from being exposed to fire on the first turn. And gives you additional movement to get to objectives.

>>51158913
Are transports competitive or overpowered?

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>>51158248

I wish I had games planned. It sucks because my area is so dead to TTG besides MTG. The nearest GW is an hour and a half away, and its a hole in the wall with barely enough room for a single table. It sucks.

As for other stuff, I might paint the Kabalite I primed and based earlier if I can decide which color scheme to go with. Pic related. I might just go with the green because despite it being the poster colors, it actually looks the best.

>>51158931
Speed is life. Eldar use Jetbikes, Tau use Jetpacks, and Marines use metal boxes (the notable rage-causing example being the Gladius + Battle Company). Guard can fake it somewhat with orders ("Forward for the Emperor" or "Move Move Move") but generally the game favors speed for objectives.

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Anthony Reynolds is my new favorite BL author.

The Word Bearers Omnibus is legitimately good! Probably the best BL book I've read so far, but then again, I haven't read too much BL.

>>51158931

Lack of viable transports is one of the things that works against Orks, who need that mobility given they're at their best in Melee.

What are you guys most personally disappointing characters on the table compared to the fluff?

Mine is Ghaz:
> Meant to be THE fucking herald of two powerful gods
> Meant to be tougher than pretty much anything else
> Really he's just a mentally deranged, giant hunk of green muscle bound in metal and powered by the full force of two gods
> S5, hes no stronger than any other warboss despite orks putting their strongest dudes at the top
> T5, he should really be like T7 or something, come on orks are already meant to be tough as balls and he's the toughest? Really, T5?
> I4, understandable, but he is the """smartest""" or the orks (except for some o dem sneeky gitz and meks)
> w4, is he really no more survivable than a chapter master, considering he is from the hardest ork clan (Goffs) and fought his way to the top rank, all the while fighting in full scale wars.
> A5, yeah this seems alright, although he should have a way to buff it like Abby or some shit like that
> Ld9, Are. You. Fucking. Kidding. Yes, I know he confers fearless to the army if he's warlord and in a shit formation but fucking hell he is THE leader of the orks? what the fuck?
> standard weaponry, literally not even special or interesting in any way. Doesn't even buff the squad he's in.
> fucking no standard invuln
> fnp 6+, are you fucking kidding? 30% of his fucking head is metal and he can still feel lasguns?
> No ability to be buffed by Gork or Mork outside his one turn only ability. This actually annoys me the most, he should at least have some weird shit where he can reroll saves (Mork) or hits/wounds (Gork) or some fluffy shit like that
> Only good thing in his entire entry is EW
> Two Hundred and Twenty Five points for this monstrosity
He's actually the worst character in the game, he can't even kill characters that cost half as much as him (without an every turn waaagh, of course, but to get that costs minimum 1500 points and is the shittest formation in terms of anything useful)
> inb4 bs2

>>51158961
Transports are often the first and occasionally the second

>>51159023
legitimate spoilers for that book (well what happens after)

[spoilers]it's all pointless because they kill off the character in a short story[/spoiler]

I really like the Word Bearers Omnibus though, great stories

>>51159044
Asdrubael Vect. The ruler of Commoragh, a master of trolling, deception, and Just as Planned, and a fearsome fighter in his own right. He was removed from the 7e codex as there is no current model for him.

>>51157713
lmao "every single xenos player who have insanely overpowered everything start shitting their steven universe diapies because imperium gets two tarpit HQs" will never not be funny

>>51159060
Where?

>>51159044
Swarm Lord

>stupid overcosted
>no invuln
>giant monster, moves as fast as a grot
>gets shit on by pretty much everything

I'll be honest: Trollzyn's antics in Fall of Cadia have drummed up my interest in Crons.

How much of a dick would I be bringing Crons to the table?

>>51159063
>Cawl and Celestine
>tarpits
>tarpittable
What did you mean by this? Any player that tries to use or fight them like this is an absolute fool.

>>51159076
betrayals of the space marines

>>51159044
Honestly, Abbaddon. I'd never seen his statline before until I looked at the CSM codex, so I thought he'd be some sort of unbeatable beatstick LoW character like the other SM factions have.

Well, he actually is, but he's only S4 even though one of his character traits is that he's a Big Guy for (You).

>tfw Abbaddon is weaker than the first captain of the Exprcists, who is also a Big Guy who is S5.

>>51159060
If you wanna spoiler easily just highlight the text and hit ctrl+s

See?

>>51159083
I think he's trying to suggest that the two HQs are extremely durable, but don't put out a lot of damage, much like a tarpit unit.

>>51159063
Cawl could be funny if you're the type of player that wants to run 6 Deathstrikes or so for shits and giggles and don't mind adding some supporting detachments to buff Canticles. Give them 4++ on turn 1, then buff their BS on turn 2 or something silly like that. He's too slow to really matter though, bleh.

Honestly, Celestine looks pretty good overall. She's not a tarpit, so much as a swiss army knife. The only thing she can't do is hurt 2+ armor...at least until you use her Saintly Blessing to give nearby Grav Devastators Relentless for a turn...ahem.

>>51159100
You forgot that Drach'nyen is cursed and usualy hit abby instead of enemy.

>>51159107
When will people learn that there is more to an HQ than damage output?
Cawl is an absolute god of buffing if you build your army around him and will decide games on his own.
Celestine has similar buffing potential and will melt anything that doesn't have 2+ if she gets to melee, and also has H&R.

>>51159061
Yeah Ork ICs suffered a similar fate, but no one cared
> Wazzdakka with the orkiest ass motorcycle rules removed
> Old Zogwart removed he had bs0 so he was even orkier

>>51157772
he's already been released. his head is detachable. he ain't comin' back.

>>51159049
Well transports differ a lot.
Triarii are more rams with transport capacity than mere metal boxes, but at least they're appropiately costed.
Too bad 30k Mechanicum has nothing to transport inside those, since the options are

Jetpack Thallax
Tech Thralls Tarpits
WTF are Scyllax?
Myrmidon Secutors whom arguably are outclassed by other units.

>>51159100
it's ok, abby is going to get a new model and he'll have primarch stats

with no point cost increase

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Hey anons what Mechanicus units would be good to add to a Guard army? I've only played them a few times so I don't really know that much about their units and was thinking of getting some allies.

>>51159080
> Tyranids get two characters
> They are both overcosted cancer
At least they're a fair fight against orks

>>51159142

That didn't stop Eidolon or that goofy mofo Mogrok.

>>51159156
>Too bad 30k Mechanicum has nothing to transport inside those

10 man servitor squads with flamers, cant go wrong with 20+ auto hits on a unit!.

>>51159183
Tyranids get characters. This sound fucking wrong.

>>51159140
ITC-fags said "but we still have Zhadsnark!" Removing him was really shitty though.

I miss Zogwort and being able to turn enemy characters into Squigs! Even if the odds were stacked against you (dem Psychic Hoods), there's still something hilarious about theoretically turning Draigo into a Squig.

Fuck, if they made Zogwort's School of Weirdboyz and Wozzitry as an Ork formation, I would so play it.

"Oy, dis yoof's got a real zzapy skar across his face. Seems proppa Goff fer a Weirdgit...say he belongs to Gryffindork!"

>>51159164
You can't go wrong with Vanguard, a Dominus can repair all your shit, and Sydonians are for even more vehicles saturation and will help your ass out of sticky melee situations, or else die being distraction Sentinels and shielding your dudes from fire that way.

>>51159205
> They are both cancer
Yeah, you're right the rest sounds fine

>>51159164
I've been considering this too. I forgot their names, but Breachers or Destroyers or something look good. They get Haywire and Grav guns. Would be really good to mix in. I'm tempted to get some myself.

>>51159164
Get a Start Collecting box and run a Dominus Maniple. 10 Vanguard is a healthy and strong infantry group, particularly if you give them plasma calivers or arc rifles for anti vehicles. The Dominus is a beast and can repair vehicles. The Onager Dunecrawler can throw out a lot of ground damage or shut down the sky with the Icarus array which is one of the best AA guns in the game

>>51159133
oh no not that. if you ignores the entire eldar codex, every tau battlesuit, gladius formation, necron decurion having a jumpack ap3 leader and cawl's being ID'ed off the table will be the end of the game. just too overpowered for the rest to survive.

>>51159206
> They all get bs0
Fuck it, good enough
I would seriously play this though
> Should be able to turn marines into boyz and see how they feel about them

>>51159188
I guess so. They can even have FnP on their T5 frames.
But there's so much empty space!

>>51159205
it's more like legendary foes of the imperium, horrific beasts which have wrought untold distruction, in fleeting bouts of insanity the hivemind rebirths them, sometimes to a different brood, but the results are the same.

With his cracked, broken skull, old one-eye strikes out again, hunting for the guardsman who burned out his eye

>>51158423
Riptide Wing overshadowed the OSC quite a bit. Ghostkeels are pretty reasonable if you run them normally, but since the Tau 'dex is a formation codex that doesn't happen. Also, Ghostkeel Wing sucks, so really the only way anyone is going to take them is in a CAD for weird fluffy reasons or the OSC. The weird thing is that people seem to reflexively NOPE as soon as they see that in an opponents list even if it's not necessarily the best Tau have - it's good, it's pretty scary, but a straight up Monster Mash-style list is going to do better most of the time.

The thing is, Riptides are fan-fucking-tastic in pretty much any list, and the Riptide Wing was just icing on top. Now that Farsight got fixed so that it can not only take default Tau signature systems but can also take the Earth Caste Array on a Riptide (as long as you buy yet another fucking book update lel) you can even run a Wing for three models that reroll their generators and another with the ECA to reroll his as well in either a CAD or the Firebase Support Cadre (another motherfucker of a formation that seems to get overlooked in favor of the Riptide Wing).

BASICALLY: Riptide Wing is so good, so easy to center your list around, and so intuitive to play that it vastly overshadows everything else Tau can do even though they have a lot of other great list templates.

>>51159248
Fuck that actually sounds so badass

>>51158646
>I'm an engineer and I love fucking with people
Could've just said you were an engineer. I was a comp Sci major before going to law school, and some of my best friends are engineers of various kinds.
You're all dicks.

But I'm a lawyer, so it's not like not like I have room to talk.

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>>51159223
I think Kataphrons are OP.
Both flavours. At least as a regular troops choice.
The Skitarii and Cult Mechanicus should be a single army without needing to use formations.

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>>51158141
Workin on it, boss.

>>51159273
0/10
Would not trust a guy who browses /tg/ as my representative in court

>>51159269
I knew I could persuade you that 'nids deserve love

>>51159273
Some of my best friends are lawyers, that's probably why I love fucking with you bastards so much, often my dickery goes over people's heads, but a lawyer will always "get it" or call me out

>>51159288
god's work

>>51159279
They're good but they're expensive and you only get 3 of them.

Strong but not OP by any stretch

>>51159242
House Slitherin' Snakebite
House Gryffindork
House Vulchaclaw
House Huffle...WAAAAGH

...actually, on a more amusing note, what would happen if Orks looted a Thousand Sons library or some other trove of Psyker wotnots?

>>51159288
Perfect

>>51158117
What the fuck is WAAC about either of them? Theyre 200 points

>>51159303
> Orks enslave thousand sons with wierdboys
> Bs4
> Orks
> BS4
> S
> 4
Motherfucker you're a genius

>>51159186
I mean, they could have him come back as one of those freaky clones Fabius and Fulgrim cooked up, but that would A) be fucking retarded and B) not actually be Ferrus Manus

His 30k model is fucking sick and his 30k rules are spot-on, but I'd rather they just left him dead than shit on his memory by bringing in some mutated clone that could only ever be a shadow of his former glory.

Besides, what I really want is a 40k Iron Hands tank commander like Castrmen Orth. UMs having the only one is a fucking travesty.

So, the Templars seem to have a pretty good showing in regards to their actions in FoC.

We can use formations now, but I have a distinct feeling that this is all we're gonna get for another decade or so.

>>51158141
Frankly Tranzyn's nonsense he pulled in this has made him a lot more interesting in my book.

And now I have an interest in Crons and had to download the codex so I could finally give it a new look.

>>51159044
Helbrecht
Literally shit
> Its better to make your own version in the same codex than it is to take him

Dark eldar noob from earlier, ended up using the deployment list I'd listed before to play against blood angels.

Game 1 was a total wash. By the start of turn 4, he was already scooping as he only had a tank with 1 HP left and a few single marines.

Game 2 I swapped out my warrior squad for a deep striking jetbike squad to go with my deep striking hellion squad.

Then I started fucking up. I got my deep strike hellions and jetbikes in early, but then I forgot to snapfire with them at all the turn they landed, leaving them wide open to get trashed by the squads near the back. My ravager, who I kept in the back of my deployment zone, went completely forgotten for several turns, letting his commander librarian run amok as well as his predator. Despite these fuckups, I did fairly well, until his librarian enchanted his sword, one-shot my archon, then charged in and helped kill my talos before he went down himself. I still had a splinter cannon venom left as well as my ravager, whom I finally remembered, but his forces(which at that point only amounted to 3 members of a death company team) became somehow unkillable. I pumped salvo after salvo into them, but no matter how many hits I rolled, he somehow got every single armor or FnP roll, to the point he got in range of, and killed my venom, blowing it up and killing the trueborn inside as well. It wasn't until he was in assault distance of my ravager that I finally managed to bring them down.

Basically, I fucked up hard, but still scraped out a win, but it set me to thinking:

What's the purpose of reaver jetbikes? They don't seem all that useful. Do they need to be decked out to super beef up their hammer of wrath attack(s)?

>>51159343
Same here. I already liked his character but now he's officially my favorite Xeno. I am definitely considering building a Necron army now, one that specifically involves him.

>>51159302
In formations you only get 3 squads.
Each squad can have 12 minis, armed with AP2 Grav cannons and such.
And if you don't use formations (or if you bring many of them) you can have six troop choices.

A single squad can mean 72 AP2 shots from 30" away. What is your idea of "too much"?

>>51159296
he's more likely to be defending you

Am I just missing it, or is there no Rogue Trader book in the links?

>>51159364
>What's the purpose of reaver jetbikes?
Caltrops
that is all

>>51159364
which list?

reaver bikes are "not bad"

they look really cool

>>51159142
Aitia did say there was a giant LotD member with silver arms, and and as of MoM (in the only good thing about it) its canon that Ferrus is the emperor's stand, so I wouldn't be so sure about that

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>>51159288
Anyone got a good Trazyn pic I can get the face off of?

>>51159408
>its canon that Ferrus is the emperor's stand
wat
please elaborate

>>51159415
just use any necron face, dem ironbones all look the same

>>51159403
Archon(equipped with blaster and armor of misery) - 90 points

Kabalite Trueborn x2 - equipped with Splinter cannon, mounted on:

Venomx2 - swapped default weapon with second Splinter Cannon
(trueborn 70x2, venom 65x2)

Kabalite warriors x1 - equipped with Dark Lance
(60pts)
Ravager x1 - equipped with dark lance x2
(120)
Talos x1 - default loadout(120)

Hellionsx1 - one is a helliarch, all with standard loadouts(90)

750 pt game

>>51159373
>12 Kataphron squadrons

Bro that's almost 700 points.

You literally can't even take 3 squads of 12 kataphron Destroyers + a Dominus HQ in a 2k point game

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Why can the greatest ork who ever lived get gibbed by any chaos lord worth half his points?

>>51159343
>>51159366
Yeah, trazyn's great. One thing matt ward most definitely did right. There's one story between him and imotek that's great. It's what made me choose solemance crons as my second army
He's pretty fun rule wise, if a bit gimmicky due to a lack of characters in cron armies.

>>51159366
>>51159343

I like how this development paints Necrons as the natural enemy to the Ruinous Powers, with Necron agents and lords actively sabotaging the Chaos gods. They were asleep during the Heresy, so they were not in a position to effect events and prevent Chaos from rising. But they're here now, and Abaddon's hopes for a repeat of Horus' march to Terra is now just wishful thinking when factoring in all of the different players in 40k.

>>51159442
why do people even use special characters?

>>51159458
Because a regular warboss would die even faster?

>>51159442

>the greatest ork who ever lived

That title gets kicked around every couple of millenia. He did not forge an empire which was so great and vast that it required the full might of the Legion Astartes, and he definitely did not invade Terra (yet).

>>51159434
It's a lot of splinter cannons at low point values

and a good amount of dark lances for low point values too

basically your 750 list is at the peak of it's strength, with more points the enemy will have more massed mid strength shooting which will obliterate your forces

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>tfw can get 3 Kytan Daemon Engines for $330
>Can run them in Trinity of Blood instead of Lord of Skulls
>They're only 525 points
>They have awesome rules
>Actually cheaper to get three of them than three Lords of Skulls
>They look cooler
Hnnng!

Relevant links:
Model:
https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-US/Kytan-Daemon-Engine-of-Khorne

Rules:
https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/resources/PDF/Datasheets/Kytan.pdf

>>51159458
some special characters are worth using, Fateweaver, some SM characters, but many are garbage

>>51159473
stupid sexy legs

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>>51159458
Because Asurmen is a fucking champ

>>51159458
why not? they're fun and defined unlike half my hqs due to gifts/powers/warlord trait

>>51159473
Holy gak this would be balanced

>>51158056
DE lost like nearly ALL of their special characters
Vect, Malys, Kruellagh, Kheradruakh, Baron, Duke Sliscus. We have like 2 special HQs left and its fuckin tragic.

does skarbrand have 40k rules?

>>51159458
Grimaldus is best chaplain in the game, he has tanked entire squads for several turns for me.

>>51159512
yes

>>51159510
> Implying anyone liked Kheradruakh
But yeah, GW shouldnt have genocided all the modeless characters

>>51158056
Dont forget wazdakka and zogwort

>>51159512
Yes.

Oddly enough, neither he nor the triple headed doggo are in the Khorne Codex.

>>51159464

Well a regular Warboss either is T6 because he's on a bike, or rerolls all saves, hits and wounds because of Lucky Stikk.

Admittedly neither have an invul save so as normal it's a case of throw a 15 point Mekboy in front of the challenger and letting the Warboss wail on the squad.

>>51159366
Same here. Deploying units may or may not result in saying things like "C'Tan, choose you!"

>>51159523
in codex daemons? or is there a dataslate

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>>51159415
>>51158141

It's done.

>>51159470
so I can't really change things? After today I was considering dropping the hellions to kit out the talos with some melee weapons, maybe some extra warriors to escort the archon around.

>>51159515
> Cassius
Sure hes an ultramarine but
> T6
> FnP

>>51159549
>boreale didn't lose soulstorm
>he was kidnapped by trazyn

Dreadnoughts should get nerfed

s10 ap2 attacks at initiative should not be a thing

>>51159556
yeah dropping the hellions with a talos would probably be good, or another venom or something

>>51159441
T-the gun is g-good...

>>51159473
Can the Trinity of Blood be taken by Khorne Daemonkin army?

I want to be able to buff the crap out of the Kytans.

>>51159547
>>51159512
have you even opened the chaos daemon book? he's had rules since 5th

>>51159567
>DREADNOUGHTS SHOULD BE NERFED

WEW LAD, HOLY SHIT YOU MUST BE NEW OR RETARDED

>>51159567
>Dreadnoughts should get nerfed
OUT.

Besides, anon, you don't want to fight a KdK DP in melee then. With Goredrinker they can possibly become S10 AP2 ID with 6-11 attacks at I8. With wings.

>>51159565
>No AoE Zealot/FNP or IWND

As expected of Ultramarines.

>>51159577
no

>>51159415
The lexicanum has a decent one, and 1d4chan has some drawfag made options. I'd suggest looking there.

>>51159422
In MoM the emps sends out the spirit of Ferris and some other dead Marines to fight some enemies, much like a stand from JoJo. Ergo Ferrus is the emperor's stand. Hell, the name Ferrus Manus already sounds like a stand name.

>>51159364
Their are very jack of all trades. Cluster clatrops are basically mandatory. Blaster and heatlances have their uses.

Some say minimum 3 man squads are best and they are in some ways they are as when paired with the RSR detatchment they can be spammed in mass and make target priority a bitch when paired with other forward moving components of a list (corpsethief claw, DA, grotesques, or incubi).

Six man units are really solid and minus template fire they are surprisingly survivable for DE. 3+ jink and later in the game Fnp aren't bad in a codex of t3 5+ saves.

Don't forget they have hit and run and skilled rider also their eldar jetbike moves make them extremely fast. The fastest unit in the codex I belive if you turbo boost. They make for excellent linebreakers or can take objectives across the board.

Damage output can be wonky. Sometimes with a large unit or good rolls with the clatrops you'll erase things. Other time you'll lose to many before reaching a target or have bad rolls on clatrops and kind of just plink of stuff. They are not strong in drawn out combat. Remember hit and run. They are decent against transports too which is useful in a codex filled with poison weapons. Lastly, because HoW doesn't roll to hit they are excellent against invisible targets.

>>51159641
how exactly does hit and run work?

>>51159549
Great job anon

>>51159442
Ghaz needs a buff!

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Am I reading this right?

If you take a Black Legion Speartip formation you can deepstrike units turn 1 one a 3+, or automatically if the Warlord is in a deepstriking unit.
If you take a Raptor Talon you can charge the turn you deepstrike, but count as making a disordered charge if you do.

So, that means you can charge turn 1 with Black Legion raptors.

Is that right?

>>51159670
read your rulebook

is it

loo-tenant

or

leff-tenant

>>51159670
>how exactly does hit and run work?
... it's in the main rulebook. at the end of assault, a unit with H&R can choose to make an initiative test to escape combat instead of staying locked in, and then rolls to see how far they move after they pick a direction. some units move really far, so making sure you don't fly off the board is kind of important.

one big important thing about H&R is that it's conferred from IC to unit and vice-versa, so you can gift it to a deathstar or use it to protect a character.

generally, you use it at the end of the opponent's assault phase (if you're still locked by then) and not your own. the reason for this is pretty obvious - if you break out at the end of your own turn that just means they get to shoot at you and then charge you, gaining bonus attacks for charging. if you break out before your turn you get to do that, or just run away to do something objective-y.

but, yeah, just read the fucking rulebook, man. it's a USR, which means it's the kind of thing literally everyone should know.

>>51159683
Wouldn't they have to be part of both formations at once for that though?

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Hows my list?

>>51159711
lefftenant, British company, british spelling, british pronounciation.

>>51159670
At the end of combat you can elect to leave a combat. Take an initiative test and if you pass choose what direction to go in and roll 3d6

>>51159683
Yes you are. Now the key can actually be used

>>51159712
>>51159725
well damn, thanks anons.

>>51159711
the imperium is british. lef-tenant.

catachans would probably say lieu-tenant because they're americans

>>51159711
Loo-tenant. It's a French word.

The British are weird for not even changing the spelling, at least.

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>>51159723
you can go fuck yourself you dumb idiot faggot

this is a chinese picture board, that means the correct pronounciation is:

dono-senpai

>>51159716
They are. Black Legion Speartip is one of those decurion-style detachment-of-detachments... detachments.

>>51159731
Huh. Well that's neat.

>>51159450
>>51159448

Agreed. I really like the idea of a couple Necron dynasties being frenemies with the Imperium when it comes to Chaos.

>>51159544
I certainly plan on doing the same.

>>51159722

Fucking garbage, just like exalted flames

>>51159722
dies to s8 big blasts so be wary of a guard player that can get the first turn

>>51159745
isn't that because the french took over england for a bit or something? we have a lot of french words in english

>>51159082
Crons are the bottom of the top tier codexes. Trazyn himself is garbage though.

>>51159761
Aye, it's all that bastard William's fault.

>>51159761
Yeah, Norman Conquest of 1066.

>>51159761
Yep. In fact, most British nobility and kings didn't even speak English until recently.

>>51159780

>be crons player
>never lost to Tau
>local Tau guy won't play me

>>51159828
The weak should fear the strong

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Literally all the heads but this one in the Daemon Prince kit are butt ugly.

>>51159082
>How much of a dick would I be bringing Crons to the table?
not much of one, but be warned that necrons are a tough army to fight casually because of their durability

you gotta be weird about fighting them, which throws people off

>>51159828
And this makes crons take the top spots at tournaments?

>>51159442
Cuz bosses ain't shit but hoes and tricks.

>>51159852
The one with the long straight horns is good.

>>51159804
That's either blatantly wrong or you have a very odd definition of "recently." Or did you mean speak English as a primary language?
British monarchs and nobles have been speaking English since at least the 1400s and the War of the Roses. They did tend to be multilingual. Elizabeth I was fluent in English, Latin, French, and I think German.

To be fair, though, George I couldn't speak English, and he was monarch in the 1700s.

>>51159867
>>51159867
>>51159867
these horns are best horns

aka

>>51159852
FTFY

>>51159862

Not at all. Just a solid codex.

>>51159442
better question, how can he lose in close combat to a unit that's 200 points less than him and lose his power klaw at the same time

>>51159804
>recently

how goes the time traveling?

>>51159888
I never implied that they weren't.

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>>51159087
I can't find anything about this.

Just finished "Torment" for the first time though.

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>Mfw just noticing the Librarian in Deathwatch overkill is a blood raven and has Vidya written on his leg

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>>51159936
vidya is a sanskrit word meaning true knowledge, and has been the name of the founding member of the blood ravens since their conception in '04

it's not a reference to video games

>>51159968
Bwahaha debunked in less than 2 minutes

>>51159985
when overkill was first leaked it was nothing but people repeating "OMG VIDYA GAMES LOL", so I kinda committed the actual reason to memory

>>51159985
Not the first time someone tried that.

>>51159899
What 25pt unit can kill ghazzy (reliably) in combat?

>>51159936
Unrelated to this post, but I assume that Deathwatch Overkill is the best way to start a GSC army correct? Given that they don't have a Start Collecting! And I doubt they will for a while...

>>51159968
except the blood ravens began in a
vidya game
back in 2004
so while it might just be related to the sanskrit word, it also has a possible double meaning, you don't know that for sure.

>>51160052
a commissar

>>51160053
It's not a bad way at all. It gets you all the HQ choices minus banner guy, a solid start on acolytes and neophytes, and abberents.

>>51159902
Historically, anon.

>>51160058
>vidya game
>back in 2004

People werent calling video games 'vidya' back in 04 and its more believable that vidya is the sanskrit word as it relates to the Blood Ravens quest for true knowledge.

>>51160058
Considering work on dawn of war and the blood ravens began well before vidya as slang entered even remotely common parlance? nah

Graham mcneill and the relic boys weren't browsing proto-4chan boards and SA for naming ideas. They did what they do for every space marine chapter. Rip off a foreign culture/language.

>>51159525
It's more complicated than that. PFP special rules at the time were stupid and it meant that early game DE we weaker by design in order to compensate for how powerful they *could* become. The issues naturally stem from that if they start out in a comparatively weaker state than similarly priced enemy models then after a couple of turns the DE stuff is more than likely just dead or fleeing, anything which did manage to land a killing blow only then becomes equal in designed power level to the opponents level, leaving the whole rest of the DE force underpowered still.

So Kheradruakh was a bad HQ because he stemmed from a bad unit which was subject to bad special rules. The basic Mandrake unit had no ranged attack and iirc couldn't benefit from stealth+shrouding, remember this codex launched at the end of 5th and with the benefit of hindsight it was purely done to introduce flyers to the new army (of which only 1 had a model at the time and the whole line of DE hasn't seen a single expansion of it's product line since 2012?).

The modern Mandrake isn't appreciably that much better than other 16pt models however by default a mandrake now gets 2A and an A2 18" weapon with PFP now triggering on turn 2 and improving for every turn afterwards.

People would probably really like Kheradruakh in the modern game especially if he allowed say 12" infiltrates within LOS and gives any mandrakes in the army 5++ while he is alive, has AP3 power weapons or whatever. The biggest thing for me that lets down mandrakes as they are currently is the lack of a basic save however they do fit the 'glass cannon' feel of DE the most of all DE models. They can hit really fucking hard and only get more powerful over time.

>>51160194
I always wanted to see what GW would have done with his mini.

>>51159458
Because they do unique things in the rules. If I'm playing my Thousand Sons and want to run a Sorcerer on Steriods for my HQ, I take Ahriman.

>>51160194
Even with all the other things being the same people still put him at the bottom of the HQ slot.
Although some obscure psychopath to the level of putting dark eldar to shame as a character could be cool if it was implemented like the eversor assassin. And it's a shame they didn't include him since because of GWs early 7th ed money crazed destruction of codexes.

But yeah, mandrakes were hot garbage back then.

>>51159366
Go unbound and take nothing but HQ's from other armies

>>51160288
>an actually fluffy not op list

Are all Fallen Angels killed when they are found? Are there cases where there were just rank and file marines on Caliban who had no decision making capacity, and were in the unfortunate position of being flung into the warp?

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First alpha unit compete

Plasma plasma Combi plasma with bolter

What should I give the second squad? Duplicate this one?

>people on ebay trying to sell a kit new in box for MORE than MSRP
for what purpose

>>51160527
No, they're captured and tortured by Interrogator-Chaplains and Librarians.

>>51160540
Nice AL. I personally prefer double meltaguns, a powersword, and an Icon of Wrath on my dudes, but I play KdK so challenges are important.

>>51160556
My thoughts are the plasma is important as I will be infiltrating into cover with regenerating cultists getting in the way of enemy who wish to aasault

That said my compulsary chosen unit is going to be 5 Melta

>>51160540
this is looking really good, airbrushed?

>>51160547
some people buy it

>>51160631
Nah, just followed some basic instructions from some anon last week

Paint runefang then glaze 2 layers blue, 1 green then 1 more blue

>>51160664
ah it's glaze-spam, that's why it's got round highlights everywhere

Why does bad airbrushing trigger people more than bad brushpainting?

>>51160682
because good airbrushing can look worse than bad paintbrushing

like the garbage that the spikeybits guy puts out is vomit inducing