Warhammer 40k general

First for Fall of Cadia not so bad. But they could do better.

First for Drachnyancat is a duck.

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Ok

Celestine and Abaddon datasheet only. 1v1 no extra shit beside the things inside their datasheet.

Go!

Sicarian Infiltrators or Ruststalkers?

Are the Custodes any good at all for their cost, and how to outfit them? Mentioned in the last thread I wanted to use their rules for some kitbashed Praetorian servitors.
>>51147864

>>51147633
I dont think IG can get seals, unless they were gifted to them by a muhreen (like that one PDF guy)

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Is GW really taking ages with orders atm because of a free card?

Fucks sake

>>51148159
we just finished that conversation tho

Since all known Black Stone fortresses have been destroyed, doesn't that mean the ancient weapons that beat back the C'tan are no more and that the Star Gods once again have little to fear?

Also, I know it's not canon, but I wonder if that Black Stone Fortress over Stigmartus held Magog in the Achilleus Sector is one of the six that would be lost in the Gothic War.

>>51148159
First and foremost. Celestine's bodyguards give her auto-regen. Normally this would be 2 wounds a turn, but Abby hits at ID strength, so it's just 1. Even so, unless he can deal a whole wound more per turn than she can, Abby will eventually lose from attrition.

How many bolt shoots to kill Celestine vs how many to put down Cawl.

Ignore resurrection/regen.

>>51148197
Abaddon the Harmless.

>>51148192
Hasn't abby still got 2 of these?

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>Orks are a melee race!
>I2

>>51148192
>Since all known Black Stone fortresses have been destroyed, doesn't that mean the ancient weapons that beat back the C'tan are no more and that the Star Gods once again have little to fear?

No, they got their shit stomped by Necrons.

>>51148197
>Abby has Ap2
>Celestine has Ap3

There is only one outcome.

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>>51148151

A lot better.

>>51148212

No.

The two he captured are the ones reported lost as of the current Black Crusade.

The first of the two was lost in battle against a Necron fleet.

The second of the two was apparently lost when it slammed into Cadia.

What is unknown, however, is (assuming it's still canon) if the one lost at Cadia was the one Eldrad supposedly met his end on.

>>51148197
In 14 turns.

>>51148242
Abaddon can't touch Celestin. Eventually the Harmless will fail his save or explode

>>51148159

> The Ardent Blade
> AP3

> Drachn'yen
> S8, AP2, 4+D6 attacks

Abaddon.

>>51148242
He gets drowned in Gemini challenges and eventually boons himself to death.

It's basically a fight that can only end with Abaddon losing or Celestine leaving. The only luck is how long it takes Abaddon to spawn or Daemon Prince himself to death.

>>51148250
Wasn't that destroyed by crons old fluff? Like when they were ruled by C'tan, and Deceiver pulled failbaddon into gothic war to get rid of BSF?

>>51148206
Think I mathed wrong on Cawl
>95 boltshots to kill Celestine
2/3 to hit, 2/3 to wound, 12 wounds at 3+ for Gemmys for 4 USW, 30 wounds at 2+ for Celestine for 5 USW

607 shots for Cawl
>2/3 hit
>1/6 to Wound
>1/6 to fail Armour
>4.5/10 to fail rerollable FNP
>for 5 unsaved Wounds

>>51148219
Boyz should be 2 wounds each.

>>51148278
>>51148242
People who do not play the game detected.

>>51148320
Not sure which of you two faggots has spammed their shit more.

>>51148314
Thanks anon.

>>51148278
Ehm Ehm
>Drachn'yen
>S5 Ap2 5 attacks(talon of horus) +d6(or -1W and WS1)
Faggot

>>51148306

Is it outdated lore?

The lore is so wonky I'm not sure what's outdated anymore and what isn't.

>>51148314
Don't forget he could have a 2x re-rollable IWND with a Canticle

>>51148333
What? It's literally the first time I said it you cunt.

>>51148350
no re-re's allowed.

>>51148348
Everything about crons before 5th edition is outdated.

>>51148360
Then you've managed to tap into the hivemind of shitty solutions.

>>51148361
I actually remembered in wrong because nosleep.

It actually gives all units 3 IWND rolls instead of 1, so it's BETTER than a re-rerollable.

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Cadia Stands!

Why does Death Company get FnP and power weapons but Berserkers don't?

>>51148342
He can't even ID the twins? Failbaddon at its finest!

I'm really excited about the new formation that allows for troops responding on a 5+, as I'm planning on starting up a Black Templars Tide list.

What would I need to add to it in order to use it, aside from the obvious mass of crusader squads?

>>51148373
Why is it shitty. Orks are as resilient as Space Marines in the fluff, if not more so.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA

>Orks

>>51148401
Want to buy my dudes? I have about 100+ marines.

>>51148401
3 vindicators

>>51148423
how much and how well painted?

>>51148410
You need at least 1 unit from another of the codices to use it. You also need at least 2 HQs

>>51148386

I was going to ask why Cadian players aren't more ass blasted then I remember FoC still hasn't been released yet

>>51148410

Fug, responded to the wrong person

>>51148401
That is who >>51148442
was for

>>51148399
He can. But he need to use talon of horus. S8 Ap3 shred.

>>51148460
Because Cadia fucking stood, even as everyone else ran away, Cadia fucking stood. When the planet was cracked into pieces, the fucking survivors KEPT FIGHTING on the pieces.

Don't fuck with Cadians.

>>51148293
He's immune to spawnhood idiot.

>>51148434
They are BT you can't fuck up the painting. i got bored around 5th so there some unpainted dudes.

Honestly no idea how much to charge I've seen a lot of random prices

>>51148492
No he's not :P. He can become daemon prince or spawn.

>>51148504
got any pictures?

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>>51148470

> Drachn'yen
> A sword so powerful that it can kill the Emperor, justified an entire Black Crusade to reclaim and possibly involves direct manipulation from both the C'Tan and Custodes to protect.
> S5

> The Talon of Horus
> Literally killed the Emperor, iconic weapon of the number one military commander ever
> AP3

Talon deserves a straight rip from 30k; AP2 and Disabling Strike.
Sword deserves S:D.

>>51148490
This.
I'm a fucking blacklegion fag and I want the Cadians to look as strong as possible.
They do an alright job but they could have done better. But still these are the men who died against a horde of pure evil.

>>51148530
Get rekt chaosfag.

>>51148492
What about Daemonhood? Because that is just as bad if he is fighting Celestine.

I genuinely don't know, no-one has volunteered Abbys stats beyond his main ones.

>>51148525
Check FAQ. Mark of ascendant makes him immune to both results.

>>51148530
Agreed
Should be 5 S8 AP2 attacks and D3 SD attacks

>>51148530
just wait until abby gets a new model and becomes a 150 point riptide (based on the trend of shitty gw rules)

>>51148530
Why are the Legions nerfed in 40k? I remember them having +1S AP4 Chainaxes too.

>>51148529
Home computer has them. If you share a mock up mail I can send them there

>>51148159
I fucking hate this celestine she's so fucking obnoxious

>>51148467
Ah, I see now. Yeah, I wasn't sure if I needed to have some of those troops or the HQ be another faction.

I suppose that means I'm good so long as I bring a Captain, Chaplain, 4 crusader squads, and a single unit from another force, like an IG tank or something?

>>51148559
>just wait until abby gets a new model and becomes a 280 point LoW with no marks of chaos.

>>51148569
because the 30k rules are newer than the shit chaos codex

>>51148541
I think Abby rerolls boons that spawn or ascend him, but I might have an older version of his rules. Someone post the current stuff?

AFAIK the current consensus is that Abby DOES out damage Celestine, but her bodyguards give her amazing tanking power, and he doesn't put out enough damage to overcome it, while lacking enough damage recovery to outlast her stuff himself.

>>51148410
They aren't though. Regular Boyz are literally Guardsman-tier. It's the bigger ones that are durable.

>>51148590
they could never fuck him up that bad to take away all his marks of chaos

that would be like plastic primarchs coming without chapter tactics

>>51148588
Yeah. I was initially excited about the prospect of her reviving other models, but honestly it just seems more annoying than cool the more I think on it.

>>51148589
Go balls to the wall and take a Deathstrike missile launcher.

Hordes of shouting Templars charging in as a nuke is primed behind them.

>>51148161
Bump

>>51148599
I think the big thing here is that I don't give a fuck, if someone is taking cawl or celestine I'm bringing three riptides and a wraithknight

>>51148608
Even regular boys can have limbs stapled back on and do head transplants.

>>51148314
Geminae also have 2+ save. So its 27 shots per geminae and 67,5 for celestine

Total: ~122 shots.

In one round, otherwise Celestine will just resurrect her Geminae. And after she dies you'll have to do that again.

>>51148569
They just got the Traitor Legions book. They're fine.

>>51148636
Nope, they're 3+

>>51148530
> Drachn'yen
> A sword so powerful that it can kill the Emperor

Source?

>>51148553
Nope
https://www.games-workshop.com/resources/PDF/Errata/Warhammer_40000/Chaos_Space_Marines_EN.pdf
From September 2016. Nothing about Abby cannot into daemonhood or spawnhood. :P

>>51147694
>Hard to get close with Melta when half the transports had daemons driving them, and half your tanks occupying the enemy tanks from blowing up the rest of them shut down as well.

Abaddon made a point to amass untainted and unpossessed armour and tanks before the 13th Black Crusade because he knew that daemon engines have glaring weaknesses.

Read
http://www.blacklibrary.com/all-products/black-iron-ebook.html

>>51148350
I was doing in a single salvo.
ITWND comes into play at the end of the owner's turn (after he gets d3 Wounds back automatically) so if you hit Cawl with 608 bolters he can't get IWND

>>51148612
she's weirdly tough to kill, kill one head and another respawns.

>>51148599
i'd still give it to abby because 2+, ap2, and he's gaining boons from killing these bodyguards.

>>51148629
True enough, but that's more Ork magic then anything.

>>51148611
In 30k, Primarchs don't have Legion Tactics either.

>>51148636
3+. Talon will ID them, and with Shred and Hatred will more than likely kill them in one round.

Was Planet Killer in Fall of Cadia?

>>51148192
>Star gods
They are pokemon now, remember?

>>51148667
yeah but in 40k magnus has MoT

>>51148656
but anon BL isnt canon :^)

>>51148649
Not him, but iirc it's in the Black Legion rules for either the black legion book or the black legion legion rules.

>>51148648
Black Library, ignore it.

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>>51148541

>>51148226
Then why did the Deceiver plot their destruction in the Gothic War.

Source Battlefleet Gothic Armada.

>>51148665
Yeah. I think the only thing really balancing her is that she doesn't put out too much damage. A heavy flamer, orbital barrage, and power sword aren't bad, but she does seem to lack some offensive presence.

>>51148553
If Abby can't get Spawned / Prince the fight is even FURTHER stalemate. Celestine will EVENTUALLY win. But will be along the lines of T7-T10

>>51148687
Nope, the chaos warband lets you roll twice pick one though.

Gift of Mutation is a single free roll with no chance of badshit.

>>51148695
ADB in charge of Black Legion and Abaddon's fluff. You can't ignore it even if you wanted to because it's going appear in all the sources!

>>51148460
the cadians, imperial fists and trazyn are the only ones who come out of this shitshow with their dignity even remotely intact

Celestine is ridiculously undercosted. Same for Cawl.

Good thing 8th is coming soon and will make those rules obsolete.

>>51148718
Unless Abby rolls slightly above average.

>>51148721
>Abbadon gets fucked by a human

Yeah, he wouldn't let that happen. He loves his self insert too much.

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>>51148460
I'm pissed from a crunch standpoint no new shit for cadian players and that the new formation wont let me use my dark angels in it.

>>51148711
Because it campaining was written acording to Battlefleet gothic rulebook from 1999. And codex nrcrons 3rd edition.

>>51148730
>Good thing 8th is coming soon and will make those rules obsolete.
You'll still be saying that in 2018

>>51148702
Thanks anon, you're a champ.

>>51148730
Atia says that 8th is more than likely going to be a lot like 7th with some band-aids slapped on it.

>>51148731
Even if he does, Celestine gets one free revive for herself.

>>51148731
Celestine can always Hit and Run in Abby Turn and her turn fly 12" away while she regenerates Gemmys

Plus her resurrect.

Abby only regains wounds with the boon table result

>>51148728
Not really.

The Black Legion marines came out good. Even with their Chaos powers drained away and parts of them literally disappearing into thin air, the Traitor Legionaries morale was boosted to see the Emperor's light dying. They continued to fight like lions.

Conversely, the Cadian morale was broken by seeing Celestine's light fade.

>>51148740
Kinda same with my GKs...
I got Scions, Inquisitors, and GKs... kinda wanted to go full Daemonhunter codex..

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>>51148530
>iconic weapon of the number one military commander ever
the lord solar never had a lightning claw, though

>>51148748
Thank You!
Chaosfags get rekt.

>>51148740
ok, OK, I too like dark angels, like you, but I understand WHY dark angels don't get this formation.


This formation represents total co-operation between imperial forces.

Dark Angels have NEVER been totally co-operative with imperial forces, frequently abandoning guardsmen in the middle of fights (leaving the humans to die) just to investigate the possibility of the fallen.

The Dark Angels do NOT work with the imperial guard to achieve their goals so they do not deserve to be part of this detachment.

Blood angels are too angry and space wolves too impetuous/prideful

Still fairly new to the game, I'm going to be playing a 750 point game against blood angels later.

Rate my loadout(playing DEldar)
Archon(equipped with blaster and armor of misery) - 90 points

Kabalite Trueborn x2 - equipped with Splinter cannon, mounted on:

Venomx2 - swapped default weapon with second Splinter Cannon
(trueborn 70x2, venom 65x2)

Kabalite warriors x1 - equipped with Dark Lance, going to be riding:

Ravager x1 - equipped with dark lance x2
(warriors 60, ravager 120)
Talos x1 - default loadout(120)

Hellionsx1 - one is a helliarch, all with standard loadouts(90)


Should I do something different? I'm kinda limited with my models, but maybe different weapon loadouts?

>>51148758
>>51148756
Yes.
St. Speedbump

Hey

Building an AdMech/Inq list here. I'm searching for an allied force that can be drop fast on the battlefield (drop pod/deepstrike) to destroy tank or MC (under 500 pts).

Any advice ?

>>51148780
>chaosfags get rekt

You mean the three year old rules for a model which is 10+ years old has shitty rules compared to a model which isn't even out?

WOW, it's ALMOST LIKE THEY WANT TO SELL YOU THE NEW MODEL

>>51148759
>Conversely, the Cadian morale was broken by seeing Celestine's light fade.
and yet the black legion, and abaddon himself were the ones retreating.

>>51148636
Except, they're 3+
See
>>51148159

>>51148615
>Charging in with Nuclear fire support

Tempting, though I'm not sure my friends will appreciate it as much. I do think a guard tank is the way to go though.

>>51148786
ravagers can't carry models

>>51148626
Somehing tells me you were gonna bring 3 riptides and a wraith knight anyways

>>51148619
sicarians always

>>51148806
Yes the actual rules :).

>>51148783
Yeah I get it fluff wise. Just wish I could use what I have model wise.

>>51148806
>WOW, it's ALMOST LIKE THEY WANT TO SELL YOU THE NEW MODEL

Rubric Marines / Scarab Terminators

>>51148589
An inquisitor with rad grenades makes a good buddy for any melee unit. -1 toughness on the first round is huge, and that's for only 40 points.

>>51148787
No wonder Celestine is the Holy Trinity of Tits, Ass and T H I C C

I'm going to pretend the orbital strike is in reality her sweat blasted at absurd speeds from her rubbing tights.

Why? Just to annoy people

>>51148759
>the Traitor Legionaries morale was boosted to see the Emperor's light dying. They continued to fight like lions.
That in no way preserved their dignity. It makes them look like special snowflakes because for some reason they're able to fight even harder when the warp (which their far more dependent on than the imperium) is gone, but for some reason the imperium's troops weren't emboldened by the sight of the eye shrinking, the daemons disappearing, the CSM getting a substantial loss of power and the influence of the dark gods cut off.
>but muh CSM are still marines!
Yes, that is true. But there were also many loyalist marines there, like the black templars who make it a point to abhor the witch and not deal with the warp, or the space wolves who as of WoM draw their power from fenris not the warp.
These marines are abel to beat CSM when they have powers of the dark gods on their side, there is no reason for them to not be able to beat them when the CSM don't have the dark gods powers.

I'm fine with the Black Legion pulling a win on land, but the reasons are utterly retarded in this case.

>>51148838
I mean, dark angels still get free rhinos and razorbacks, which is better than 5+ to respawn squads

>>51148845
don't remind me, the first models I ever bought were rubric marines, I literally just painted them 10+ years later to use in a kill team event

At least rubric marines are good in HoR...

>Ghazghkull is the WAAAAGHHH! made manifest
>Not fearless
>I1
>No invuln except gimmicky one turn

>>51148806
>>51148806
>t. Buttblasted chaosfag

>>51148851
I'm pretty tilted that her orbital strike is only str 8 ap 3. You'd think the emperors wrath incarnate would at least equal the power of a demo cannon

>>51148865
He's the prophet of Gork and Mork, and he's I4

>>51148862
Double Demi-company is fine and all I guess. I never even use it as i don't get to use black knights in it

Creed is dead, Cadia is blown up and sucked into the warp. Craftworld Eldar and Dark Eldar save a good chunk of the IoM survivors at the end of the campaign. Celestine led them to the planet with the Eldar and to the webway portal.

>>51148314
>Gemmys
Holy shit stop with the fucking pet names.

Geminae isn't that much harder to type. You're only saving a single letter.

>>51148626
I just mathed that, Celestine can actually give a Wraithknight a run for its money.

The Wraithknight, assuming it took the sword, swings 4 times, hits 2 times, and with the D does 5/12 D wounds through the 4++, but it doesn't matter because on average it's less than two wounds and the first whole wound is ignored because Celestine just shifts that one away and respawns the bodyguard on her turn.

Meanwhile she's swinging 6 rimes, hitting on 3s (wounding on 6s admittedly) and using Hit n Run to call down artillery on it every time.

If she rolls even half well and has even a modicum of fire support she can take manbarbie to church.

>>51148860
>drawing thier power from Fenris
Oh come on, we all know this is bullshit.

>>51148907
>celestine will ever get into close combat with the wraithknight

>>51148790
You're having trouble with tanks and MCs as Admech?

Kings of long range Haywire and grav? What the actual fuck?

>>51148907
good thing eldar frequently cast invisibilty on wraithknights

>>51148897
Creed aint dead, he's in one of Trayzn's Pokeballs.

A basic ass fucking human was considered a worthy piece of his collection. Maybe he will get released when times are at their direst

rep tells me that gathering storm is a global campaign and event that will be set through 4 books that will advance the background until summer, in summer will begin another great campaign after a great launch.

>>51148907
Artillery is one use.

>>51148918
We are talking things like Abby vs Celesinte with datasheet only rules no aditional shit.

But yah getting in Melee even with jump can be hard.

>>51148898
I prefer "Twins" myself

>>51148919
Sorry i wanted to say Skitarii, not Cult.

>>51148962
yeah but my argument is "if you're going to use broken undercosted bullshit rules I have no obligation to limit my list building"

>>51148908
It's not. WoM confirmed it.

>>51148956
True, but if that Wraithknight isn't in melee it's being shot at with whatever long range firepower the Imperial player brought along.

Conversely, Celestine can ignore the same by only HnR'ing at the end of the Eldar fight phase, allowing her to shoot AND charge the Wraithknight every Imperial turn.

>>51148949
last of Q2 have a "red date" and "big black box" in GW calendar, If you know the meaning of these words ;)

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Say I want to play in a 1000pt fall of cadia campaign and want to be to be a pain in the arse and also save the imperium, is this a good list?

>>51149015
>tfw it's just another boxed game
>no 8th ed
>just undercosted bullshit rules forever

>>51148968
>twins they were

>>51148898
sum timz singl leter s wort t.

>>51148989
That was not even the topic of discussion. Twat

This wad about silly 1v1 you freaking imbecil

>>51148175
seeing as you're not getting any replies I will offer you my limited experience with fighting against custodies taking all shields makes them a pain in ass to kill provided their ability in range is hampered by this apparently? ( I don't trust the guy who was playing them to have known their rules in the slightest) but they are highly resilient I believe this would bring them to about 500 which unless you want this one squad to be a large portion of your army you don't want to do, so my recommendation (going off sword&board lychgaurd) take about half with shields using them as your frontline if your enemy is able to get through your save. Move the guys with shields to the fron otherwise. The squad will come under heavy fire due to what is in it but will with cawl that was the case anyways.

>>51149024
>two knights in a 1000 pt game
Don't stoop down to eldar/tau levels, you're better than that

>>51149030
>Thicc and built to last for long winters of har whoring, not those twiggy things that break from an astartes attention.

>>51149052
I'm honestly not anon, I'd take 3 if it would fit. I'm a new player and this would only be for games leading toward the global campaign results not for normal games.

>>51148898
Got it it.
Gemmys it is.

>>51149001
This. What makes Celestine really obnoxious is her tankiness combined with Hit and Run. S5 and AP3 stop her from slaughtering everything herself against some armies, but she's still going to be a massive pain, killing lighter stuff, fucking with your target selection and providing force multiplier buffs to her army.

>>51149093
No, they are flying fish

>>51149093
Twins or T H I C C S are aceptable terms

>>51148907
Only issue is if the WK gets a 6 on the Stomp

So when does Divine Guardians siphon a wound away from Celestine? Look out, Sir specifies that it kicks in when wounds are allocated, but Divine Guardians doesn't specify that is siphons off unsaved wounds.

>>51149068
>I'm a new player, and thought I should start being as cancerous as possible as quickly as possible
Please go and stay go. The fanbase is crappy enough without shitheads like you deliberately making it worse.

>>51149047
Thanks. If I go all out on them and have 4 Shields and the 12" Fearless bubble standard, it's 530 points. With only 3 shields, that's 490, which is a giant blob of doom. If only they were 3 models minimum, I'd do it, but that's a lot of points for an (admittedly excellent) bodyguard. Might make some anyway, since I'd just have to magnetise the shields to swap for the arc rifles on Ogryn-breachers, and use them in casual games.

>>51149115
6 on the Stomp is a remove from play effect. Doesn't EW stop that?

Which Chaos god represents greed and envy? Slaanesh or ol' tzeeny

>>51149116
Roll To Hits vs Celestine
Roll To Wounds vs Celestine
>Is at least one Twin alive?
If yes: roll Saves on Twin
If no:
roll LOS on Celestine (optional)
roll Saves on Celestine

>>51149145
EW doesn't stop "remove from play" effects, it only helps against ID.

>>51149024
If you want to lose all your friends

So is Planet Killer in fall of cadia or not? I noticed Blackstone Fortress and Vengeful Spirit. But no clue about Abaddon's flagship.

>>51149046
>reading comprehension

learn to follow a reply chain

>>51148907
WK would win due rolling sixes on either D-table or Stomps.

Celestine has much better chance against Imperial Knight than Wraithknight.

>>51149145
Nope. You go bye bye. Eternal Warrior just protects you from Instant Death attacks

>>51149158
That's how I assumed it would work, but everyone pretending that Celestine can take Abaddon keeps letting her take Invulns for the Gemini.

>So is the Imperial Crusade detachment thats on the Fall of Cadia store page a lie?

The formation leak has everything but the "Imperial Crusade" that the site says combines sisters and templars. The closest is the wrathful crusade which is just guard and templars.

>>51149029
boxed games & starters usually only marked with black box not by a red date. The last time both marks matched on the same date was with AoS, 40k 6e (7e was only marked as red date since the starter was reused). At least that's when I worked for them.

>>51149149
Greed, lust excess Slaanesh
Tzeentcht is ambition and desire for power.

>>51148197
They won't help Celestine in a challenge

>>51149172
Funny is D isn't great vs Celestine since a 6 on a D only kills one Twin

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post yfw you get that Explodes! result

>>51149184
Twins have a 4++ so they have the same invulnerable.

>>51149175
>>51149172
Then it's up in the air, but otherwise a suprisingly even match.

>>51149204
Incorrect, she can shift wounds onto the twins even in a challenge. It's not even LoS!, it's her own special rule.

>>51149207
actually D instantly removes celestine from the game, it doesn't apply wounds so she can't deflect it

>>51149149
Considering that both of those are extremes (excess) Slaanesh
Though any plotting will have Tzeentch

>>51149169
Question. Are you talking about Celestine vs Abaddon vs Wraithknight?

If not then 4chan is fucking up.

If yes then why the hell are you talking about broken shit in this stupid 1v1?

>>51149227
D is rolled after the wound is applied. This is why a D hit still grants an Invuln save, excdpt for the 6 roll.

>>51149204
Except it can since wounds allocate to Gemini first based on their special rule.

>>51149149
Slaanesh has an entire portion of its warp realm sectioned off for piles and piles of gold coins that hapless travelers get stuck counting for eternity.

>>51149227
Sure?
I thought a six was 6+d6 wounds with no saves.

>>51148159
Does Greyfax stop GSC Cult Ambushes?

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I'm orking on some conversions here, and I want your guys opinions. Should I have these done up as dirty, worn scrap metal monstrosities or rusted husks, like out of mad max? Also, I'm at an impass on what to do with the rockitz. Posting here because I can't find the /wip/ general

>>51149243
A minimum 7 wounds (S10 for ID) with no saves would still be enough to kill Celestine and both Gemini.

>>51149253
Nope.

Only stops Infiltrate, doesn't say anything about Cult Ambush.

>>51149227
Rulebook 7th ed disagree.

>>51149253
The pre-game abmushes, yes. The ongoing reserves ambushes no.

this warlord trait's old, she just has non-random access to it

>>51149253
What is the wording and FAQ for GSC? And the one for Grey?

Screen cap those three if you can't figure out yourself. Post it. Then we can help.

>>51149243
Yes, but...it's wierd. I got into this exact discussion once with my Imperial Knight vs Lysander.

The way it works is that a HIT with the D applies a 'D wound', which unless a 6 or 1 is rolled can still be saved against. Failing THAT applies the number of wounds specified d3, et cetera) to the affected model. It's a single wound from the perspective of saves, but multiple from the perspective of everything else.

>>51149227
Actually, D does D6+6 wounds. You do own a rulebook, right?

>>51148822
ah shit, thought they could.

Well, I'll still field it over a raider because dark lances.

>>51149267
No, D hit is considered on only one model. If you hit 1 guardsmen with wraithcannon and roll 6 you still kil only one guardsmen.
So even deathblow will kil only one Twin

>>51149315
oops, I'm thinking of stomp

good thing 6+D6 still wipes celestine and twins, even on a 1

>>51149267
D wounds are applied against the model, not against the unit as usual. You just dealt 5-10 wounds worth of overkill to a mook. Celestine has EW anyway, so she can't take more than 1 unsaved wound from any hit.

>>51149256
Can't help you mate, mantic orks are awful.

>>51149227
Like people said, D-6 does 6+d6 wounds.

Normally Stomp would instakill her but even that got FAQ'd that you can LoS that.

>>51149326
And you can save this guardsmen with Feel no Pain from medi-pack

>>51149326
>arguing to take 7 ID wounds on one twin

kill yourself

>>51149326
Celestine allocates wounds to Geminii, not attacks.

>>51149355
No you can't. It's resolved a time at str 10 for insta death. Which will remove the medi pack FNP

>>51149365
Open your rulebook, asshat. D wounds don't spill over to the unit. Whether they're all applied to the model or disappear into the warp doesn't matter.

>>51148569
Because back then they had the ewhole imperium backing them up, with a mechanicus at its full power, now as traitors and outcast they have to relay on everything they can salvage to function, the talon of Horus was kept at it's peak during the great crusade by the most senior and highest ranked magos, now Abaddon have to kept it functioning with the aid of less reliable sources and less top of the line supplies.

>>51149337
Nope. Its d6+6 wounds to a SINGLE model. No splash. So one Twin dies

>>51149399
Celestine is the one that would suffer D6+6 wounds. Yes, she can pawn them off to the Gemini, but she's the one suffering the S:D hit. She can't pawn that off onto a Gemini until it translate into wounds.

>>51148779
I love that guards look in the middle
"are you SEEING this shit? Is this for motherfucking real??""

>>51149399
>>51149413
Yes. 6+d6 wounds to Celestine, she's allowed to move wounds over to the geminii.

>>51149256
The answer is always mad max orks
>tfw you don't play mad max orks
>tfw eternally unwitnessed

i cant wait for Age of the Emperor when all of this arguing is deemed pointless

>>51149424
She can Look Out Sir! it off on 2+.

Better tactic is just make the Geminae eat normal D-hits, hope they fail their 4++ and then allocate the D:6.

>tfw taufags aren't half as bad as imperium fags defending cawl and celestine

>>51149253
For first turn via infiltrate? Yes
Anything else? No

>>51149457
Haha fuck you I'm all about admitting how good Cawl is. He'll make my War Cawlocation shine like there's no tomorrow.

The website says that theres a detachment for the "Imperial Crusade". Where is that? The leaks have literally every detachment except it.

>>51149455
>look out sir
>not look out my lady
Triggered

>>51149447
World Waaugh II is pretty baller theme as well.

>>51148892
And has a klaw. So the only time that benefits him is when saving vs I tests when he has to.

>>51149378
It is single attack with hit only one model, only difference is that aid deals 6+d6 W. If Twin get attack on herself she will be reduced from 2 to 0 W and will die, any excess wounds are lost.

>>51149424
Incorrect. Order of resolution would be:

>celestine is hit
>roll for D
>unless a 1, the result is applied to a single model, in this case a Twin due to Celestine's auto-LoS! effect
>the effected model loses X wounds as per the result from the D table

The distinction here is between wounds 'as caused by a weapon' and wounds 'as dealt to the model'. With everything except D they're the same.

D weapons are wierd.

>>51149455
you LoS wounds, not hits, so celestine still takes the 6d6 and the tries to LoS away the wounds

even on a 7 it wipes her out, if she's blobbed in with guard then she can probably shrug off most of it

>>51149457
It is just people being retards.

The rules are pretty straight forward. If a wound goes to Celestine it goes to a twin.

>>51149497
I fit's the attack yes, naturally the S:D player allocated to Celestine.

>>51149499
incorrect

celestine shrugs away wounds not hits, so the 6+d6 would generate a number of wounds which are applied to celestine, she can shrug away two to her body guard and then dies

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>>51149253
>>51149270
>>51149284
>>51149300
>>51149469
Here's your actually official answer to the question from GW via 40k page in Facebook.

>>51149499
No, Celestine gets to redirect wounds. A Destroyer Hit isn't a wound(s) until you roll one the table and take your save.

>>51149499
It's not LoS.

>>51149505
No, as per the FAQ, you can try to LoS a "Destroyer hit."

The rules for Destroyer weapons are an absolute mess in the rulebook and don't really make any sense without the FAQ.

>>51149533
D weapons are apocalypse only so anyone bringing D in a normal game is cheating :^)

Anyone knows that Twins made it out of Cadia?

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So much attention to a SoB model is making me blush

>>51149559
Welp, we've reached the inane shitposting stretch of the discussion. Time for a new topic.

>>51149576
Do you mean genevieve and eleanor?

>>51149129
I'll be sure to stick with this list then you cocksucker, I've collected for 25 years and just haven't played this edition, I hope to BTFO your poorly painted man dollies with my pay to win pro painted cheese.

>>51149576
the twins are just daemons that celestine manifests with the emperors daemonic powers so if she made it out then they did.

So is the Imperial Crusade actually in the book or did GW just make up a fake detachment for the website store page?

>>51149559
Nope. Eldar have shittones in their normal codex. Most of knights have D meele weapon. Tau can use drones to have D rockets.

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So I have 100 pts left to fill out the void. What do I take. And while Im here, is this a decent list?

>>51149596
It's in there.

>>51149590
>post cancerous list
>get butthurt when everyone tells you to fuck off
Did you really think /40kgen/ would be supportive of your faggotry?

>>51149576
they probably died, are they living saints as well or just some sisters getting a power up by being near celestine?

>>51149598
why are you taking the bait?

>>51149587
What armies are going to be brought over to the Age of emperor?

>>51149592
>the twins are just daemons that celestine manifests with the emperors daemonic powers

No, they're Sisters she brought back to life.

I've gotten hold of the fall of cadia early and I'm currently reading through it, if anyone has any questions I'll do my best to answer them, I'm just about to hit chapter 2 - the fires of salvation.

>>51149614

The leaks don't have the Imperial Crusade though.

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>>51149596
DIE FOR THE EMPEROR OR DIE TRYING!

>>51149627
Last thread did

How butthurt is this general gonna be when Abby gets a new mini and rules?

>>51149599
Nobody needs that much Basilisks.

>>51149598
I thought that the :^) made it clear I was shitposting hard.

>>51149625

What is the Imperial Crusade deatchment? Supposedly its Black Templars and Adepta Sorwhoreitas

>>51149625
What's Be'lakor's real plan?

>>51149546
>>51149533
>>51149520
Let's assume for a second that this is right. This means that the order of resolution goes like this:

>Celestine is hit
>roll for D
>resolve X wounds first against the Twins, then against Celestine

This would have a single hit from a D weapon affecting multiple models, which FAQ has explicitly disallowed.

>>51149634
If you keep spoonfeeding they'll never develop their arm muscles themselves, so they come back for more

>>51149621
Everyone will make the jump, but the armies of the Imperium are going to grow even more ingrown and homogeneous. Eldar and Chaos will both be similar megafactions.

>>51149636
they're going to be furious when he can kill celestine in melee

>>51149644
if the FAQ disallows D hitting multiple models then I guess celestine has to eat it all and she's dead :^)

>>51149635

No it didnt Wrathful and Imperial Crusade are different. Imperial is BT/Battle Sister only

>>51149644
FAQ didn't account for Celestines ability.

>>51149644
Celestine's rules allow it.

>>51149640
I don't see an imperial crusade detachment. I see these:
>grand convocation
>Castellans of the imperium
Formations wise there's
>conclave acquisitorious
>wrathful crusade

>>51149642
He got fucked up trying to capture the phalanx to destroy terra (he invaded it with the ironwarriors throughn warp rift) and cast back into the warp

>>51149599
Help please.

>>51149644
That's due to Celestine magically shunting wounds onto her daemons. You can thank GW and their continued inability to write good rules.

>>51149636
Butthurt retards are going to be shitposting about Abaddon for the foreseeable future.

>>51149655
Celestine has always die en Melee. Maybe not in third when she was a beast.

SoB players are just happy her big cow doesn't instally die if you look her hard enough.

Here are people trying to waac hard

>>51149599
It's pretty solid. Good mobility with the Chimeras. I would split up the Basilisks into 1 unit of 2 and 1 alone so you have more targets. Also for the last 100 points, I would get another 10 guys to make the squad 30, give the Platoon Command Squad's Lascannon to the 3rd Infantry squad. Then I would add in an Imperial Agents Astropath and upgrade him to level 2 to put him in the Infany Squads. That way you can get some psychic powers like Twin-Linking your weapons, which would be good for your Lascannons.

>>51149689
Greaaat so GW made up an entire detachment on thier store page. Thanks cunts.

>>51149599
give your veterans their third special weapon (or a heavy flamer)
take a third infantry squad for your platoon
split off one of your basilisks into its own squadron, so you aren't forced into dumping three templates on a single target

list is casual, but not bad. Honestly speaking vox casters are currently a waste of points.

>>51149683
>>51149671
>>51149696

Then the more sensible option is for the model that takes the first wound (a Twin) to eat all of them, and once that model is gone the rest of the wounds from the D hit are lost.

Same as a successful LoS! Roll.

>>51149686
I've shown you my logic, show me yours.

>>51149637
Unless you're doing the Emperor's Wrath Formation.

>>51149655
He can already do it. First turn he murders both Gemini with the Talon ID, and then he switches to the sword and murders the respawn and throws most of a wound onto Celestine every turn. He's a bigger threat to himself thanks to the threat of Spawnhood and/or weapon rebellion than she is.

>>51149723
Cool house rule.

>>51149599
>3 Basilisks
Take Coteaz as an Allied Inquisition detachment and have him roll on Divination. Twin link your artillery. Deliver precision pain.

>>51149723
>my logic
>I'm right and you're wrong

you're a shit debater, celestine's rules explicitly state she can move wounds off her to twins as long as they're alive

strength D explicitly applies multiple wounds to one model

therefore celestine takes 6+D6 wounds and can allocate one at a time to her twins (which ID) and at best has to suffer 5 wounds herself which kills her


your way isn't "more sensible" it's just what you want

>>51149716

"Castellans of the imperium must include units that have at least two different factions" (and this is any imperial faction) I assume this is the one you meant.
You can have anything from any list basically, at least 4 troops and 2 hq. Gets the "troops unit when destroyed comes back on a 5+" rule.

>>51149716

They probably were talking about the Castellans detachment when they said Imperial Crusade.

The real weird thing is:
>Fall of Cadia
>Abaddon as cover art
>no new Cadian rules(except Pask can be in the Castellans army list)
>no new Black Legion rules

>everything is Ecclesiarchy and AdMech related

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>>51149767
>no new Black Legion rules
Did they need a 4th supplement?

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>>51149723
D weapons are a basic rule, this allows celestine's advanced rules to spread out the D wounds

>>51148390
Not even that man. Chain axes shouldnt be terrible.

>>51149637
I dont know anon the thought of delivering 9 large blasts a turn is a good one for me

>>51149767

Except the part where it says "Imperial Crusade" is made for Templars and Sisters. The Castellans is everybody.

Unless they referred to the Wrathful Crusade which has exactly one sister unit in it and Guard.

>>51149772

Sorry, that goes against ITC Regulation 238.1, and therefore not relevant to official and sanctioned tournament play.

>>51149739
>>51149754

We're house-ruling it both ways until an FAQ comes out. There's room for either interpretation.

I don't even play sisters, this is just how I know D weapons to work. They don't affect more than one model, and if Celestine shifts wounds onto another model, then that model dies instead.

It's dumb, and wierd, yes, but it makes the most sense to me.

>>51149777
I'd like a detachment that isn't shit, relics that aren't shit, and a Warlord trait table that isn't shit.

>>51149798
see >>51149780

Can we agree D weapons in normal games are broken? And move on?

Celestine is a hardy T3 model. At least she is not an army of annoying to kill looking at you death guard, Necrons, Eldar, tau and GSC

are Vindicators any good for blood angels ?
They sound wuite strong with Blood angel engines, which make them fast, does anyone here have any experience when it comes to them ?

>>51149780
All of a sudden i long for 8th.

In the understanding that it'll be 7th but with AoS style keywords.

>>51149800
Dont you have like 3 different sets of those to choose from?

>>51149777
As a black Legion fag no we didn't. Some actually decent relics would be nice. But at least a new Abaddon would have been warranted.

>>51149819
I've wanted 8th ever since 7 was a rumor

>>51149719
Im giving them 2 meltas each becasue the chimera has 2 firing ports, and Im not moving them out of the chimeras. Also Im getting vox-casters becasue its fluffy and I have them modeled on all my vets.


So I did something like that. More lascannons is always better, plus the `nades launchers might do something.

>>51149819
For BL? No.

>>51149807
>tfw xenosfags are so assmad that Imperium finally has a truly tough-as-nails model that they try and rewrite the rules to make her killable

>>51149823
I think you're full of shit, no way would someone voluntarily play worst legion

>>51149767
Yeah, sorry we stole your thunder Guardbros with our worthless formations and detachment. I'd personally be happy just to have a tougher warlord, and to have Cawl be as good as he is is really nice. No we just need some cool new FW toys, a flamer squad and transport (Probably in the FW toys) and I'll have everything I want save a combined dex.

Also, the Triumvirate box conveniently splits between me wanting Cawl and the new Inquisitor and a BA friend who wants Celestine. Now just to find a second Cawl for converting, but I think I'll wait till the eBay prices are a bit less insane.

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>>51149834
Fuck, I forgot the pic.

>>51149843
Worst legion, worst bears

HE-IS-THE DOOMRIDER
THIS-IS-THE DOOMRIDER

>>51149767
the thing is fall of cadia is about the defenders and killers of cadia

Ecclesiarchy defends the planet and cawl blew it up

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>>51149843
Nobody even mentioned Space Wolves.

Seriously though, I read this fluff piece and fell in love.

Painting guide for Belisarius Cawl

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zN-qL8nPrcE

>>51149861
doomrider must be getting old because he forgot to post a picture

>>51149864
Chaos so useless that need someone else to make a mistake in order to win

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>>51149877
SHUT YOUR MOUTH

>>51149816
bump

>>51149882
Actually, Abaddon bombarded the Cadia with meteors which split it in two. This might added to the Pylon issue.

>>51149871
>fall in love with black legion
>the fluff is about black legion being shit stomped

>>51149882

Isn't that how we got the Heresy?

The Emperor made the mistake of trusting all of his Gene Sons, including the ones that were far from stable?

>>51149816
Much better than regular vindicators, their increased speed allowing them to place their templates perfectly.

But still, blood angels being a very close range army you have to ask yourself if it's wise to be throwing large blasts around.

>>51149924
Fast Vindicators are beastly. A normal Vindicator is a problem you need to solve. A Fast Vindicator is a problem you need to solve RIGHT THE FUCK NOW.

>>51149840
I play BA and i still think you are a cunt trying to say that all the wounds move

>>51149852
So, is this any good now?

>cawl 200 points
>celestine 200 points

cypher is fucking 190 points and isn't even half as good as these two fucks

>>51149935
The death company are meant to be fodder if they die to our blasts i know it happened keeping the enemies of the emperor in trenched

>>51149964
Carfax is 150 and barely worth 100. I don't know why they made those 2 so fucking good. Celestine is easily worth 300.

>>51149941
So, is it some kind of SUPER distraction carnifarex ?
>>51149935
Well, that sounds like an reasonable argument, kowing my luck i will kill my own captain with it....
Anyway, i sill still try it

>>51149964
I'm sorry, did you want nice things? That sounds a bit whiny to me.

Celestine 200 points
Inquisitor 25 points
4 squads of tactical space marines 280 points

Riptide wing with 3 riptides 570 points

you can still fit an eldar cad with a wraithknight too

>>51149957
Never mind the fact that that for the vast majority of encounters this won't matter, since the average roll for a D hit is 2 wounds, which is how many wounds the Twins have...

>>51149852
Yeah, that's better.

60 bodies even feels a bit light for guard, but you can make up for that with pie plates.

>>51149753
Or just take Cawl
He has the Archmagos Cantos of the CyberEye
Giving all vehicles within 12" +1/+2/+3 BS

BS6 artillery

>>51150008
twin linked > BS6

>>51150008

Canticles require you have a large number of Cult Mechanicus units in your army to work at full power.

>>51149984
>SUPER distraction carnifex (sic)

All Vindicators are distraction units. Some SM players don't realize this and disdain them when an army's worth of turn 1 shooting prevents them from firing.

They don't realize that's the whole point. That army's worth of shooting is shooting one 125-point model, instead of your troops, or your HQ, or your aircraft...

>>51149823
But if Abaddon got a new model NOW then he'll need ANOTHER new model later on when he goes full Super Sayian

>>51149932
black legion fans are masochists, I imagine

Also fuck abaddon, I'd rather they put out a chosen box. People have wanted a chosen box since dark vengeance.

>>51149999
Nice qauds. But yeah, I really like basilisks. I guess thats becasue I played too much DoW and spammed those thing everywhere. Now I just need to get the models. All I have is the CCS, vets and 3 chimeras. Plus a bag of SM meltas that Im hoping to somehow put on my guards.

>>51150024

he got two types, one for Mechanicus, the other for every imperial army.

>>51150017
Can't deny the beep boop
They're ain't no assassin / bald harem chicks that disable the beep boop

>>51150043
>Plus a bag of SM meltas that Im hoping to somehow put on my guards.
it's an easy enough conversion. You snip off the grenade launcher and pop the melta in its place.

>>51149754
Even if you're right, you can still LoS! the entire pile of wounds to a twin on a 2+.

>>51150074
I hoped to spare my nades. But oh well, I`ll get plenty when with the infantry I guess. Its 2 or 1 of nades and flamers in the box?

>>51150033

Chosen need a discount on their power weapons as well as some actually interesting options too right now.

>>51150097
what would you even use the grenade launchers for, though

I think it might be two nades in the box, but I haven't looked at a cadian sprue in like a decade

>>51150075
This. LoS! Can be taken separately since the rule doesn't use or mention LoS! So the whole 'split-wounds-from-a-D-weapon-across-multiple-models' thing, assuming it CAN happen, only happens on a 1 anyway.

And EVEN THEN it further assumes the D roll has rolled either a 2-5 followed by a 3 for the number of wounds, or a 6.

>>51150123
I dont know, I wanted 2 for my PCS, but I just like spare bits laying around.

>>51149984
Fast makes BA vehicles so much better, it's like they're a different unit.

Regular predator tank has to stay still to fire all guns or can move up to 6" and fire one, so it's forced to choose between mobility and firepower.
BA fast pred can move 6" for the best angle of attack and fire all weapons or a mad 12" power slide and still fire two weapons!

Razorbacks crawl along 6" a turn with one weapon normally, as it can only fire one on the move.
BA razors can equip a lascannon AND a plasma gun AND fire both at full ballistic skill AND zip around the board 12" a turn.

>>51150107
Personally all Melee Weapons across the board for all factions need to be cheaper, except a few
>Looking at you Wulfen

And I still agree that Chosen should still get a discount on top of the needed discount

Is it me or does it seem like all vehicles should have Split Fire?

>>51150069
They are are not?

>>51150168
No. I would never want to face a Leman Russ Exe with split.

>>51150168
You

>>51149622
Daemon Princesses then

The twins' rule has the same verbiage as LoS!, which shifts all of the wounds caused by a D hit to a different model. The shunting occurs during wound allocation, the Destroyer table roll happens during wound resolution.

>>51150210

Seems like it'd be more effective or would let you get better use out of sponson weapons to me.

>>51149599
10 rattlngs or a suicide melta stormtrooper squad

>>51150239
It would be too strong in my opinion. You could get something like a punisher with lascannon and it would fuck up both infatry and armor in the same round.