MODERN GENERAL

>>51145504
GB Tron with Fatal Push

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How can SaheeliTwin be upgraded in modern to make it less shit?

>jeskai/izzet/boros control shell with saheeli as random filler combo?
>actually build around saheeli/cat to make it less jank

>>51145591
Treat it like twin I.e. a phenomenally solid tempo/control shell that happens to have an infinite combo t4. Never forget twin would often side the combo out in certain matchups.

>>51145504
time for b8
ban liliana
ban tarmygoyf
ban snapcaster
ban batterskull
unban sfm

>>51145627
Keep your wishlist for April

>>51145527
Lol. Gx Tron for remand vs. AN. City of brass for the land. Might try push instead of bolt, but i doubt it will make the SB

Is there a way we can just filter shitters that think banning Gitprobe and GGT was a good idea, and want to ban even more things?

>Modern is a format where Ancient Stirrings is perfectly fine but Gitaxian Probe is powerful enough to be banned.

>>51146036
I say unban it all and watch cloudpost fuck pussy zoo kids

>>51145504
I could see bant Geist making a comeback

>>51146063
Card power vacuum etc

>>51145527
Fucking why? Black has no sideboard to speak of, Pyroclasm has higher overall EV, sb Sudden Shock is better than Bolt, Path or this vs Infect Affinity and Kiln Fiend.

>>51146036
Yeah, go check out the frontier thread

>>51146219
Why do you think that? Did Aether Revolt deliver something for that deck?

>>51146454
It can stonewall aggro, and shrug off fatal push.

Have to watch where the Mets sets though

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I'm gonna force every 3-4 color combinations of Push + Snapcaster decks so hard to get an idea of the powerlevel of the card.

Even BUG.

>>51145591
Saheeli can go into Emeria Titan

How ded is infect now?

>>51145591
Twin used Deciever Exarch and Pestermite, but Copycat/SaheeliTwin only has Felidar sovereign. What's a good card to use as Felidar Sovereign 5-8?

>>51146682
Not ded enough

>>51146490
The problem with geist is that it's three mana and can't compete with tarmogoyf/scooze/grim flayer in combat. Geist was always great against aggro decks that couldn't block him because he's the fastest clock in modern. If anything he gets worse.

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>>51146179
As much as I would love to play a solid Elves deck with Zenith and clamp, I would not want to play Blazing Infect: the format.

>>51146928
Mental misstep my nigga. Infect is so full of one drops that it folds to that card so hard.

>>51147063
Infect would also jam 4 of those

As would everyone

>>51146928
No banlist modern devolves into delver with misstep/cruise/cantrips.

>>51141511

Fuck, I wish I hadn't traded in my extra copies back in November, I think I only got a dollar for them...

>>51147063
Theres a reason why MM is banned everywhere

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>>51147197
It's because you just have to run 4 every time no matter what, even usually in vintage. It's just a shitty designed card.
>Those times where they misstep your misstep and you misstep there's only to find out they had another misstep
Literally the worst card ever printed

>>51147326
Yes. Thank you for explaining that to everyone.

>>51145504
My guess is that Yahenni's expertise will see some play, although -3 isn't enough for the goyf. At least it's a work around against hexproof and in case the opponent tries to do something against it, you can still push something else afterwards like a lili.

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Is it good?

Does Invisible Stalker see play?

>>51147651
Wtf? No. Not even close. Are you for real?

>>51147670
Lol no, maybe in block

>>51147651
No.

>>51147670
Do you play Bogles?

>>51147730
>boggles
>running anything not gw
That deck list is so fucking strict, literally deviating at all from the pretty much 100% established shit is retarded

>>51147689

So a hexproof unblockable 2 drop is too weak for modern?

>>51147730
>>51147791

Well if modern is solved I won't even bother.

>>51147670
It can be run in Infect sb vs grindy decks (UWR/Jund kill themselves with shock+fetches so 12 life vs 10 poison isn't that relevant if they cannot do anything vs Stalker other than wrath/anger which you spell pierce or pump your dude out of range) and Death's Shadow (they put themselves below 10).

>>51147154
Just unban everything and rename modern to misstep. :^)

>>51147814

people in /modern/ only care about proven decks that have put up Top 8 wins.

If you wanna brew a boggles variant, this isn't the thread for you.

So is my zooicide deck dead now? I have no idea what to use as a replacement for probe.

>>51147965
I remember when we used to have fun brews and Jank on here, seems like a long time ago now ;_;. Also gay lumberjacks, but that wasn't too long

>>51145591
You can't. The combo will be weak in Standard, and it would be complete shit in Modern.

>>51147965
>people in /modern/ only care about proven decks that have put up Top 8 wins.
all that says is that you can't innovate. you have all these cards to use, but due to your own incompetence you're unable to come up with novel solutions to the metagame problem. this isn't standard. you have a lot of resources at your disposal.

>>51148032
>brews and Jank
Go to your shit legacy general, nobody wants you here

>>51148143
>all that says is that you can't innovate.
But you can try to

>>51147651
I like the meta call with the forestwalk
7/11

How is my sideboard? The main deck has done me well on Cockatrice a while back and am about to commit to buying it.
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/bringing-gifts-to-the-table/

>>51148187
anyone trying to innovate in this format has my fucking seal of approval

>>51148284
During the last Modern FNM, every single player brought his or her homebrew or budget list, no one had an actual tier-listed deck
Best FNM ever

Which Expertise would work best in Bird Brain?

Do people still play that deck?

>>51148343
Did someone ever?

>>51148032
>gay lumerjacks
Nani?

>>51148334
Why do you even play modern if you don't want to play with our against any of the decks that make up the top scene?
Just play casual kitchen table then

>>51148412
>Why do you even play modern if you don't want to play with our against any of the decks that make up the top scene?
When did I say I didn't want to play with top decks ?
The format has plenty of room for innovation, playing against original decks feels more fun

Also I can't spend hundred of dollars in a deck so it helps bringing the level to my own

>>51148364
once upon a time a bunch of anons in modern general start a multi-thread shitposting battle about their preferred brand of chainsaw. and people who were tired of the bickering started calling them gay lumberjacks and it was a meme for a short time.

>>51148881
>>51148364
I'm a stihl man, myself

>>51148464
LOL it always comes down to poorfags

>>51147651
This looks like a solid list, as>>51148233
said, Forestwalk is an excellent meta call

Alright guys, I'm slow as fuck and have been living in a cave but,
>Gitaxian probe banned.
FUCKING CALLED IT! Not here though.

>>51148901
>Literally unironically choosing an inferior product
Listen bud, just cause the faggot at Tractor supply assured you that you're getting a top of the line "quality product" that means nothing. If you don't deal with Jonsered you can fuck off. Any guy that ever wants to bring some piece of shit Stihl to one of my sites I got 3 works for him. It's "Fuck, right, off"

You have 10 seconds to explain to me why dredge gets a ban but affinity doesn't. It's literally the exact same fucking deck but switch the weak to artifact hate to weak to grave yard hate. Literally not a single fucking difference.

>>51149076
Affinity is probably next on the chopping block.
As to your question, Affinity is vulnerable to removal, the most common form of interaction in Modern, whereas dredge dgaf. That's pretty big.

>>51149131
>graveyard hate>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> artifact hate

>>51149076
T. Someone who never played robots

>>51149131
I doubt it will ever see a ban. It's a quick aggro deck that relies on critical mass and synergies between otherwise poor creatures
It's far from dominating and it's a mainstay of modern. Instantly recognizable. Moreso than Twin

Doesn't Affinity usually present most of it's damage through one creature (cranial plating)? Dredge always dumps a bunch of 2/1s and 3/3s

>>51149038
Guys let's not do this meme again, can't we go back to one of our classics like tron is a control deck?

>>51149076
You can bolt Ravager target after they sacced their entire board for an early kill. If you kill something in Dredge it just gets back up, or they have several other copies in play anyway.

>>51149221
>affinity
>aggro

Heh, common misconception, anon. But actually, affinity is a combo deck. You see, you need to use a combination of creatures that synergize to win, not just turn your guys sideways.

:^)

>>51149213
So fucking what? Everyone has been sideboarding for dredge ever since Kaladesh release and it still takes up a large portion of the metagame. The big difference is that, for most decks, you need to draw your dredge hate to even have a chance of winning, whereas Affinity is beatable without drawing into your sideboard hate because most decks already have relevant cards for the matchup (removal).

>>51148985
I'm not poor, I'm a student
Everything will change when I'll have a job next month

>>51149131
>Affinity is probably next on the chopping block.
I've heard that before the previous 3+ bans

What will be the top deck now guys?
Tron? Burn? Jund? Affinity?

>>51149038
>hurr durr muh 2% quality increase
I'm sorry I'm not retarded enough to pay the extra premium chump price to wank off my name brand superiorness to the other gay lumberjacks at the worksite. Get back in your Ford F150©SuperDuty™ and fuck right off

>>51149513
I've been playing Affinity for two years and I'm just worried is all. It probably is next. I certainly hope not as Affinity is the only reason why I still play Modern.

>>51149553
Probably Jund (especially now that fatal push is a card). Affinity and Burn is probably not too far behind. I doubt Tron can really be the top deck, as the decks that keep it in check are everywhere.

>>51149513
It's been going on longer than that. Far longer. Some people really hate affinity.

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>playing R/W Burn on MTGO

The only thing that makes me happier than someone bolting a Hellspark Elemental is when they Path it after I unearth it.

I don't see much of a difference between Affinity and Dredge either. Both seem overwhelmingly powerful unless crippled by sideboard cards. But what would you ban to knock the legs from underneath Affinity? Cranial Plating or Arcbound Ravager? Or is there another card for the deck that would make more sense?

>>51149740
Usually fags cry Mox Opal cause they're jealous of fast mana.

>>51149306
>>51149221
>Retards actually think Affinity is combo or aggro
Lmao, straight retarded, any true pro knows that affinity is a control deck. You control the board and make skillful decisive trades and decisions, and then after that you have a grinder finish by repeatedly beating them down with a man land. I can't even believe I share a thread with retards like you two.

>>51149768
>mox Opal
>not broken
Sure

>>51149038
>>51148901
YO I'M REAL HAPPY FOR YOU AND IMMA LET YOU FINISH BUT HUSQVARNA MAKES THE GREATEST CHAINSAW OF ALL TIME

>>51150068
Affinity wouldn't survive without it and affinity hasn't done anything wrong

>>51150110
>affinity wouldn't survive without it
Actually it would, it just wouldn't have those retarded turn 1 dump your hand pass turns.

>>51146675

>Emeria Titan

But it's cmc 4.

>>51149611
To be fair Infect just got nerfed and if you just have 4 Sudden Shocks in 75 + anything else you're favored since you can ride any payoff to victory unchallenged, even Karn restart. Burn gets beat by Wurmcoil, Pyroclasm and Nature's Claim, 40/60 at most. The matchups you have no right winning (Ad Nauseam and Living End) are pretty nonexistent. Everything else is favored (all midrange and URx) or 50/50 (Merfolk). The deck loses mostly to itself.

>>51150243
No it literally wouldn't, if Springleaf Drum was the only accelerant all your draws would be on average 2 turns slower, which is outclassed by every other fast deck in the format and gives BGx and URx too much time to find sweepers.

>>51150243
Fuck off. People like you ruin modern

They should really unban Chrome Mox.

>>51150091
>not using echo
I bet you play tron too faggot

>>51145591

Chord deck with enters the battlefield triggers and saheeli to copy your value and silver bullets when your not going off. Probably just 1 guardian but chord and maybe eldrith evolution can find it. Then pick another rando combo and mash it together with that. Maybe knigt or the reliquary and that landfall enchantment or melira combo or whatver

>>51150298
>>51150325
>Annally ravaged affinity players crying out in anguish cause they know the hammer is coming down on them
My little brother played a budget affinity without opals for a long time before he could afford them. Deck did fine, went first at fnm a few times and was always competitive. But the thing was he just never had those retarded hand dump starts, and it actually made it bearable. But please keep crying, I'm gonna nut so hard when you faggots actually have to play a fair deck.

>>51145591
>printing a shit resto
For what purpose?

>>51150480
No one cares about your hypothetical anecdote FNMs of Bumfuck Nowhere, this is the competitive thread and Affinity without Opals isn't a competitive deck. Actively playing a deck isn't a prerequisite to grasping facts about it.

>>51150480
It's not getting banned. You're brothers deck was shit. Your local scene must be very casual. Time to stop posting

>>51150480
>I'm gonna nut so hard when you faggots actually have to play a fair deck.
*raises paw*
But, anon, Affinity is a fair deck.

>>51147651

Needs more guys
Cut the larger for life shave a titanic growth and a bite Probably for that hydra guy and 2 whatever rando energy guy you like and then you can probably do ok at an fnm

>>51150554
>Affinity without Opal isn't consistently a tier 1 deck
Fixed that for you
>>51150560
>It's not getting banned
Sure bud, just wait until infect and Dredge go down and there's nothing but affinity left, then we'll see. Also
>ur brothers deck was shit cause I said so!
True, every time an affinity deck doesn't draw Opal it has never won, not in the history of Magic has any modern affinity deck won without opal. Maybe if you weren't a net decking faggot you'd realize that not literally only tier 1 shit will win every time. I live in Boston, and I assure you it's not casual.

>>51149553
you should be playing a Hatebears variant after the bans take effect because everyone that isn't jund-guy is going to safespace affinity or control.

>>51150666
This is gold. Keep yer chin up bud.

>>51150666
Desolator is that you?

Is Eldrazi and Taxes just a meme or should I try it? It seems kind of fun

>>51150844
it's fine. you need to know how pretty much every other deck works and how to beat them with it before it gets really good though. i'm personally running UW Jerks with Reflector and Queller right now but it might not be a good choice for the uninitiated.

i mean you can just jam 4/4 thoughtsiezes on turn 2 sometimes though.

>>51150990
Why jam 4/4 thought seizes when you can just win on turn 2 with infect?

>>51151083
infect wins on turn 2 less than 15% of the time, and it only happens if you have zero interaction or blockers.

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>infect bolt
>1 hybrid blue green mana
> distribute 3 infect counters between target creature or player
Would it see play?

>>51151124
u/g creature removal for 1 mana is incredibly rare, so this is broken beyond belief. Remember how Bolt almost never goes face except in burn.

>>51151083
>>51151104

How exactly does Infect win turn 2? I can only think of a turn 3 scenario.

>>51151224
Bolt doesn't deal 6 damage

>>51151324
T1: Land, Glistener Elf
T2: Land, Might, Might, Mutagenic Growth
Is one combination

>>51151324
Are you retarded or just a cuck? Do you know what mutagenic growth is?

>>51151324
t1 fetch, glistener elf, mishra's bauble
t2 mutagenic growth, mutagenic growth, vines to defend creature from removal spell, become immense

>>51151429
>not having probe in your hand instead to have perfect info and see if they're running a sac card possibly
Shit player, kill yourself

>>51149224
>Doesn't Affinity usually present most of it's damage through one creature (cranial plating)?

No. Plating is only 4 cards in the deck, meanwhile you have some number of Signal Pests, Steel Overseers, and Masters of Etherium. Swarm tactics are as likely or more than one guy in a hat.

>>51149076
>Literally not a single fucking difference.

You're retarded, the difference is resilience. Bolt a Prized Amalgam as many times as you want, it's just going to come back. Bolt a Steel Overseer and your opponent is a lot worse off for it.

>>51149611
>I've been playing Affinity for two years and I'm just worried is all.

You've been playing Affinity for two years. By now you should know WotC is perfectly fine with leaving Affinity right where it is. The deck hasn't changed in any significant extent in all this time and the metagame has only gotten stronger around it. There's absolutely nothing Affinity is doing that's unhealthy for the format, and especially nothing it's doing "now" that it hasn't been doing this entire time.

>>51150480
>I'm gonna nut so hard when you faggots actually have to play a fair deck.

You're going to be blue-balled for a long time, anon. What makes you think Affinity is ever going to be hit when it's gone this long untouched? Gitaxian Probe got the axe because new decks started using it and Become Immense made it even more valuable. What is it you think will make them think "Mox Opal is getting out of hand" when Mox Opal has been firmly in hand for literally years?

>>51151124

It would be removal in two colors that don't get removal, get around Indestructible, which is what Wizards is now pushing instead of regeneration because "regeneration was too complicated for new players," so yes, it would see play.

>>51151688

>The deck hasn't changed in any significant extent in all this time

Probably Glimmervoids being replaced with Spire of Industry in some lists.

>>51151781
That's a bad decision and glimmervoid is much better.
If you get blown out and glimmervoid dies, you're fucked anyway

>>51151815

Yeah I know but you know there are people who are going to want to play the deck but don't want to fork out dosh for the Glimmervoids when they can get 4 equivalents for the price of 1 Glimmervoids.

>>51151688
I'm worried because the Twin banning proved there are no sacred cows anymore, and the probable reason they haven't targeted Affinity yet was because there were more powerful decks in the format like Infect and DSZ running rampant. Now that those decks have been nerfed, it's possible that Affinity will rise to the top and be perceived as a problem. Maybe.

>>51151781
That's not going to happen, except for budget lists. Glimmervoid is much better, playing Spire of Industry is planning for failure. One of Affinity's biggest strengths is how rarely it has to pay life in a format of shock fetches and painlands, and the only thing you're paying life for has Lifelink.

>>51151815
>>51151886
False, and Spire also increases the amount of keepable hands, especially after mulligans. Not having live topdecks after losing 1-2 Glimervoids to a sweeper is pretty bad vs grindy decks.

How many times have you won at 1-2 life with Affinity? And how many times have you lost Glimmervoids only to draw 2-3 drops afterwards? The burn matchup is a bye anyway and after the bannings that's the deck most pressuring to life total after the bans.

>>51151885
Affinity was a deck long before DSZ and long before Infect was quite the monstrosity it's become now.

Affinity is the perfect aggro deck for the format, it typically wins on Turn 4 and Turn 2 kills are almost unheard of, and it's easily hated out if it becomes overbearing. It's exactly the pace they're comfortable with Modern running at, and fragile enough that the meta will correct around it if it were ever poised to become an issue.

>>51151916
I don't see how it affects keepable hands.

You don't usually lose glimmervoid to board wipes when you have darksteel or any non creature artifacts.

>>51151916
>Spire also increases the amount of keepable hands, especially after mulligans.

What sort of hand are you keeping where you can't play an artifact?

>And how many times have you lost Glimmervoids only to draw 2-3 drops afterwards?

Basically never. Any game where I've been in a compromised enough position to lose Glimmervoids is one I've already lost and Spire wouldn't have changed that.

>>51151886

But that's the best part anon. You don't have to pay the life unless you need the coloured mana.

>>51151972

You will generally lose Glimmervoid against two specific hate cards in most situations they get played. Kataki and Hurkyll's.

>>51151464
Lol probe

>>51151996
>What sort of hand are you keeping where you can't play an artifact?
The sort where you get blown the fuck out by any hate card on the draw and bolt to your only 0-1drop on the play. Eg. nexi + skirge followed by mori nexi and overseers and platings, perfectly keepable in a vacuum.

>>51152064
>The sort where you get blown the fuck out by any hate card on the draw

I don't feel like Spire's going to save you in that scenario regardless.

>>51152003
not him but if you don't have an answer to kataki AND you couldn't keep the glimmervoid, you're not winning that game. Same thing with hurkyls, generally, though if you have deduced that your opponent has it and is holding it up you could keep a nexus untapped.

>>51152090
You get to keep your land and keep making on curve plays instead of losing on the spot, you can't always mulligan to opal/drum/citadel.

>>51152125
Also, those cards don't see a whole lotta play anyway.

>>51152125

The problem is they could bounce it all on their turn when you are on the draw and if Glimmervoid was your only land then you're super boned. In any other case you'd be able to replay it all.

>>51149306
Decks that bad players /tg/ thinks are cobmo decks
>Gx Tron
>Infect
>Dredge
>Burn
>Affinity

Did I miss any?

>>51152204
>>51152125

You're right in that Hurkyll's doesn't see too much play these days but it still gets played in some lists for being able to blank Etched Champions. And Kataki is played in every deck that can play a Chord of Calling.

>>51150666
>not knowing what consistency is
>not realizing that opal plays made otherwise unwinnable situations winnable

/tg/ is really bad at magic

>crying about netdecking
I guess you watched too much Desolator.

>>51149715
my negro its so rare to see a fellow none naya burn player also
>tfw they go for the throat my elemental
>tfw they path it next turn once I unearth it

>>51147651
Somberwald Dryad is strictly better than rushwood

>>51152219
Sure, but the chance of them having the Recall, and you having glimmervoid as your only land at the same time is pretty low.

>>51152250
>And Kataki is played in every deck that can play a Chord of Calling.
Absolutely true, only chord of calling is seeing very little play right now. Having said that, that might change now that dredge has gotten nerfed. Grafdigger's cage might fall in usage.

I wouldn't be surprised if Spire does replace one or two glimmervoids as the fourth glimmervoid has always been a little awkward and you only ever want to see one anyway.

>>51152238
Dredge is.

Lantern Control is often seen because of the setup, even though it's comparable to countertop and no one regards Miracles as combo, even partially.

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Will be good?

>>51152670
Fuck off with this shit

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If they make a card like this, it would be a viable deck. Do you guys think this card would be good for modern if it were made?

>>51152670
Just from the filename without looking at the picture at all, I'm going to say "no".

>>51152749

>Eye of Ugin for werewolves, on steroids
>removes werewolf's downsides

What would be the point of playing werewolves if you just want to power-creep out the ass like Eldrazi? Just play Eldrazi.

51152749
Custom cards aren't allowed here.
No (you)s for custom card fags.

First league after bannings, first match is tron. Time to quit playing modern.

>>51152934
Cry more. You can't win immediately so you quit?
Good riddance

>>51152958
I can't beat tron. If tron becomes the top deck I can't play fun decks.

Curious, how many of you have competed in a modern protour (it's gone now but previous ones) or tournaments held by Starcitygames or similar?

>>51152979
But Tron is a fun deck

>>51152979
You're just bad. Tron is not nearly that good

>>51152749
It's too strong and shit from a purely design standpoint
Also, as much as I like talking about custom cards, this is not the right thread
We do have a containment thread, go there

>>51152934
I play burn
I cant beat Affinty and never see my sideboard cards
If I do well, I always have to face the Affinity player who always does well, and I usually dont get prizes
I'm not gonna quit or even go somewhere else
But now that Dredge is dead, I can play Living End again, which is even worse against Affinity

For you non naya burn anons, which is better: hellspark elemental or spark elemental? I can only slot in one

>>51153628
Damping Matrix vs Ravager or just 4xLeyline, cast namesake, can't lose, how is it a bad mu?

>>51153645
Just play Naya Burn, its so much better
The lands arent that expensive
I was able to get full sets of all the fetches and shocks over 6 months of Modern grinding and pre-release events

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>>51152806
But werewolves are not colorless (atleast not when casting them). They would not be nearly as strong as the eldrazi with this. That said, would a card like this be good for modern?

>>51153862
I know it's better, but I have no modern deck to compete with at modern nights and such TO get store credit. So I'm left with red burn splashing green since I already had 4 wooded foothills and atarkas command.
And yes, arid mesa is STUPID expensive.

>>51153943
Lmao poor

>>51153815
Well, by the time I could cast damping matrix, im usually dead, they dump a bunch of trash turn 1 and then my goblin guide and swiftspear cant get in, If I try to sweep with Anger of the Gods, they usually have ravager and sac everything to it
whats namesake?

>>51153960
You were talking about Living End.

>>51153909
Fuck off back to /ccg/ and/or fur affinity

>>51153953
Yea yea yea

>>51153943
you dont need mesa
just use bloodstained mire
If you want a cheap fun deck, mono green stompy is awesome and around $50
Thats what I grinded till I got guides and lands
The new elephant is gonna make it much better

>>51154026
I'm planning on getting bloodstained mire with my next checks
and I was going to actually build green stompy, but I changed my mind since I like the option of changing burns colors. The elephant does look dope tho

>>51153981
ok its the same thing, they get 3 turns to kill me which is easy for them, and usually they can go over anything with inkmoth even if i gain life
I dont see what Leyline would do, the guy i play never uses welding jar
whats namesake?

>>51154091
Leyline of the Void

>>51154091
Namesake being Living End

Your deck has 8 fucking Wrath of Gods which you can cast on turn two and Leyline of the Void negates Ravager, how for the love of fuck are you not winning the matchup? Affinity's turn three kill rate is pretty low overall. the deck mulls to oblivion a lot and turn three requires an Inkmoth or a literal god hand with Master of Etherium and/or Plating.

BUG delver. I'm gonna make it work.

With Push coming out, all I need are my abrupt decays and I'm set

>>51154080
Elephant works well with Experiment 1 as it ETBs, gives EXP1 a counter and goes back to your have if you dont have energy, you can do that twice
T1 Forest EXP1
T2 Forest Elephant, get counter goes to your hand, you can play it again, play a Dryad Militant first for more counters, or sit on a vines, blossoming defense, or dismember

>>51154165
Do it, pussy

>>51154160
I get killed T3 every game
Sometimes T2 with infect
Ive living ended only to get killed by inkmoth with cranial before i could get him
You can only put so many cyclers in the yard before T3
He must be really lucky

>>51154218
Well yeah obviously, out of all the permutations your opening 7 and 6 can take (can't see how you kill t3 with 5 especially on the play) the ones that do it are a minority.

>tfw were probably never going to get another combo deck like ad nauseam or a deck like living end ever again

>>51154218
How in the hell is he killing you on turn 2 with infect?

He cant even play 9 other artifacts in that time unless he has something like the draw 2, which means he needs to devote mana to it, which means he needs an INSANELY lucky opening hand, which he did not mulligan once, and insanely lucky draws. Or he has an ungodly setup with Ravager, which he needs to devote 2 mana to get him out on turn 2 anyway.

With Street Wraith, you can cycle almost 6 cards by turn 3 and have enough mana to cast a cascade card that turn. Even with my best hands, I'm only hitting for 12 by turn 2/3 with affinity.

At the very worst, hold onto your instant cascade card and wait for him to go lethal then cast it in response. Throw a lifegain creature into your mainboard if you're that scared of the matchup

>>51154177
I WILL, YOU FUCKER

I'm taking BUG Delver from Legacy and putting it into Modern.

LAUGH NOW, I'LL SEE YOU FUCKS AT THE NEXT PRO TOUR

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Is this guy is well-positioned as a finisher right now? Should I build Skred or R/G Ponza?

>>51154626
>playing delver
>not getting on the esper control train with push before they unban sfm
Plebs will be plebs

>>51154682
yeah he's pretty good in both of those

do you want to drop bloodmoon and fuck up their lands or drop blood moon and be mono-red midrange

>>51154600
the hand was inkmoth, 2 opal, springleaf, thopter, memnite, ravager
maybe he got me on T3 but it wasnt fun
i think he drew another thopter

>>51153135
It's only good matchup in Tier 1 is Jund, which as a Jund player I must say that matchup is just horrible and I hate playing it. But it's performance against the rest of the metagame is so abysmal that no serious player would pilot it. Only people who play "for fun" and play more casually bother to play it. I hate the deck, but it's a not problem, and it's never gonna be Tier 1, at least not with how things are looking.

>>51154805
Maybe play some decks that interact.
You can't complain about affinity when you're playing fucking living end and burn

>>51153057
Ooga booga

>>51152979
What do you play?

>>51153953
in his defense you can get a plateu for cheaper.

>>51152321
Why are they so dumb? Do they think you can keep Unearthing it?

>>51154828
Unga Buunga

>>51152934

do you not expect to play tron when you play leagues? have you tried gitting gud?

>>51153645
Hellspark. The recursion helps a lot, and you have more game if they drop a chalice on one.

>>51147651
9/11

>>51154808
There's so much wrong packed into one sentence.

>>51145627

Agreed.

>>51147670
the only deck that would want him is bogles and he is simply not worth splashing blue

Anyone tried Saheeli as commander? My first impression is that her ult is basically a win button with the right artifacts.

>>51156009
this is the worst post in the thread
possibly even on the board

>>51156009
>>51156030
Seconded

>>51154685
What does W offer other than path? Geist?
You might as well build a Geist deck at that point.

BUG offers goyf, abrupt, and grim flayer (if you can consistently get delirium online) as well as full on-color tasi and become immense if you wanna even run that

>>51156837
esper offers supreme verdict and Sphinx's rev as well as timely reinforcements to win/take care of yuor opponents board/chump for days. It also opens the deck up to great sb hate.

>play RG scapeshift
>get 2-0'd by turn 3 karn turn 4 karn turn 5 worldbreaker twice in a row
Lmao

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>>51156896
>its ANOTHER tron has Karn on turn 3 episode

>>51156896
Ban tron pls

>>51151124
Obviously.
The question should be:How long before it gets banned in every format?

>>51156886
Delver isn't a stall deck. It doesn't have time to cast those cards. Those are 4 mana (minimum for rev) where you need to be putting pressure on your opponent.

GB even has maelstrom pulse for when your opponent goes wide.

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this kills the format

>>51156896
>play solitaire combo
>lose to control
Justice if I ever saw it, get fucked.

>>51157231
Which was a worse decision?
>Phyrexian Mana
>Delve

>>51151124
I would play the shit out of that, oh my god it's so good

>>51157266
Phyrexian mana, by far

>>51151464
Anon, I hate to bring it up but...

>>51157196
I never said I was playing delver you retard read the original post.

>>51157479
Well I was, which is why I was talking about delver in the first place.

And if you think esper in general is any good, you're bad

>>51157497
>if you think esper is good you're bad
It's just as viable as jeskai and grixis with fatal push but stay mad because you can't read senpai

>>51157539
Esper is the worst blue slice
Even bug is in a better spot right now

>>51157605
not in a control shell it's not. Esper control has quite a few good matchups across the board and it's only getting better with aer

>>51157644
I was thinking delver
Even then I wouldn't say that Esper than Grixis

>>51157266
Phyrexian Mana
Delve is fueled by a resource that is actually limited, even more so now that the best free spell, which used Phyrexian Mana btw, is banned.

>Amulet Titan represents almost 2% of the meta on MTG goldfish
maximum WAT

>>51152934
>he doesn't play ad nauseam
Why aren't you playing the best deck in modern?

>>51158222
I unironically think it might become tier 1 since it crushes tron's nuts and does decently against the rest of the field

>Grave Troll banned
meme format
hope it dies

>A judge legitimately told me today he thinks dredge will still be overpowered with the grave troll ban
Is it autism?

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>>51157753
>now that the best free spell, which used Phyrexian Mana btw, is banned
>now
It was always banned.

>>51158438
>judge
>autism
checks out

>>51151124
It would be mono blue u mong. Green doesnt have direct damage like blue does.

>>51158438
Call it "overpowered" is probably wrong, but technically the troll ban doesn't actually make the deck much weaker, just less consistently explosive and less resilient at the very late game. It can still make mostly the same plays it could before, only less often, and its endgame is now all-in on Conflagrate rather than occasionally actually casting Troll. It will do worse overall in tournaments, which will lowers its representation, which will lower the amount of sideboard that has to be dedicated to it.

It still has more than enough potential to remain viable, but it's probably going to sink into Tier 2. There still exists plenty of chance for people to forget about it and it just sweep an unprepared tournament.

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Speaking of Dredge, take a look at that spike doe.

>>51158566
>Dredging 1/3 less every time
>Not shit
If you ever played legacy dredge you would understand how absolutely fucking trash thug is compared to troll, the difference between 4 and 6 is massive, you have no idea.

>>51158683
>every time

You're an idiot. You didn't dredge 6 "every time" before, Troll wasn't a guarantee, and you still got through just on Imps or Life from the Loam if you had to. Troll was a luxury.

>>51158670
sell em now, it aint gonna stay like that

>>51150507
Because they know what happened when they printed Resto before?
And they're taking the safe route to try to avoid another SwagTusk Standard?

>>51152749

Isn't there already a spell that does that?

Maybe an enchantment that requires you to spend mana to turn someone?

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>>51158747
Correct.

BLOGPOST
R/G scapeshift
1-2 vs affinity, win g1 then deck stalls out g2 and g3. And I never saw any of my 6 hate cards. and all 3 games went waaaay long so it pissed me off a little that I just couldn't get the deck to work when it seems to goldfish perfectly and affinity wasn't interacting with me at all.

0-2 vs tron, see salt posting about consecutive karns earlier in thread

2-0 bant spirits meme. I had anger of the gods and plentiful bolts both games, once valakut was online he had no chance

2-0 junk midrange
G1 he kept a hand full of removal that was useless. EZ win. Game 2 he comes on strong but I chain khalni expedition and prime time for a cunt load of valakut triggers and rape his lotv and goyf. He draws a card and scoops
/BLOGPOST

>>51158670

I'm SO mad I sold my extra Thugs a month ago. I still have a playset, but I'm hesitant to get rid of them if I need them later...

>>51158922
>Lose to good decks
>Win against shit decks or extremely favorable matchups
Wow

>>51147965
I disagree and don't like this mindset for the thread. There is no brew thread so where else should people seek advice? I play grixis delver but am brewing a U tron deck. Can I not discuss U tron here because its degenerate shit?

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Hello anons. I know that this is a meta thread but I thought I'd drop by and express my love for the most meta chainsaw on the market. Looking for 20 in 50cc and 2 STROKE MOTOR chainsaw at a reasonable price? Tired of oiling your chain constantly? Boy do I know that feeling, or rather I did. That was before I purchased the Poulan Pro! Trust me anons it was the best purchase of my life.

>>51159284
What the fuck is that Chinese shit?no

>>51158683
You're effectively dredging 1 less on average. Think of it as Thug replacing Imp who is replacing Troll. Imp is now your premier dredge, not Thug.

>>51159229
>Can I not discuss U tron here because its degenerate shit?

I'm the guy you were responding to, I want to clear up to you and all the other responders, I wasn't stating my approval for the mindset, just explaining that this is the prevailing mindset of /modern/ for the last... what, six months now? It feels like longer, but I don't have an exact time frame. I mean, I play U-Tron in Modern, and a GW Enchantress brew, but I just don't talk about them on /modern/ because I know the majority of posters in these threads have no interest in discussing brews. They're interested in only discussing decks that are "proven."

>>51159015
Isn't Tron a good matchup for scapeshift?

>>51159357
No, that's not how it works. Having a troll in your graveyard is really good. Having a thug is trash. 4 cards is not enough, if all you have in your graveyard is thugs you're fucked

>>51159368
Me thinks that maybe if not everyone approves of the mindset than we have room to change it. I think /modern/ should realize our threads fucking die. Compared to the other threads there are times the modern one isn't even up yet standard and EDH are present 24/7. Maybe some casual discussion isn't bad.

>>51159229
you can discuss what the fuck you want so long as you have the mental fortitude to disregard that obstinate fuckwad you replied to.

>>51159614
nigger what
modern threads almost always reach bump limit, and standard threads dont even fucking exist

>>51159368
>They're interested in only discussing decks that are "proven."
I think we're only interested in discussing decks we've played.

A brewing environment only works if people understand the metagame enough through having played with and against the metagame. But the unfortunately reality is that most people don't get to experience the metagame because 1) the cards are too fucking expensive and 2) most people don't get to play Modern very often.

As much as I would like to jam 20-30 games of a deck against the meta, brew or netdeck, the thing is that most people aren't willing to do that because sometimes the only time Modern can happen is at FNM. And to ask players to print out proxies or buy proxies for the purposes of brewing is just an effort seemingly nobody is willing to take.

So I don't blame people for being completely and utterly hostile to brewing because they themselves don't even have the opportunity to play the metagame. To them and myself, the people who want to brew obviously have a higher volume of play to test/brew and own enough decks/cards to do it.

>>51159838
I feel like there is some amount of truth to this. My friends with limited funds tend to stick to their pet decks. I have more funds and more cards thus have multiple shit brews. Why play this game if you don't want to put something interesting and your own together?

>>51159357
>>51159427
That is exactly how it works. On average, you're dredging about 0.7 cards fewer.

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>>51159838
for locals you can pretty much just goldfish meta decks on cockatrice to learn all the different pieces and how they function together to make the deck work. it'll give you a feel for keeps versus mulls, as well. you can use this information to get a general idea of how your deck needs to function to beat this deck and how that deck needs to function to beat yours and what you can do to leverage this very basic information on lines-of-play to your advantage.

>>51159927
>Why play this game if you don't want to put something interesting and your own together?
Well, you can do that. But you're not going to be able to talk to anybody about it because they themselves haven't played it and the environment makes it very unlikely they have played it.

>>51160116
Fuck the free online programs. The only way brewing works is if you're coming from a position of knowledge having played with and against the metagame and you have an opponent to talk to who can offer feedback.

The online programs official or not nobody wants to talk to you. Either you talk on a place like 4chan or some forum or you talk in real life with whomever you've played against, under the assumption they also have an understanding of your deck and the metagame.

Ideally you wouldn't have to use 4chan or some stupid forum to talk about this sort of thing. Ideally cards would be available and there would be enough interest in real life to sit down and form a real community where you can talk and get better. But the cards are expensive and Modern is a once/twice a month thing for most people.

That's just me, I'm just pro-personal-interaction. If you can do it in real life, it is wholly preferable to do so. I couldn't play Poker or Chess online, that would just be awful to me, same goes for Magic.

>>51160231
>online
no, friend. you goldfish. by yourself.
it's a tool to help you understand basic functions and strategies by drawing hands and playing out lines. even if you play hard control, you still need to know what can resolve and die later to removal and what needs to be countered instead, yeah?
it's kinda like putting up 3s from the top of the key in practice until you're draining them every time. you're never going to get there unmolested in a real game but you still need the muscle memory, yeah?

>>51160432
I admit that's a useful tool. Faster than goldfishing with real cards.

Any Jeskass Memers itt?

>tfw no more turn 2 kills with probe


I'm glad that kilnfiend and zooicide got toned down, lmaoing at people who think infect got hurt. they just printed Vines 5-8, and Groundswell can easily be jammed in place of Probe

I wish Mutagenic was banned instead, it slots into the 3 same "op" decks and doesn't further nerf storm decks.

>mfw reading about people calling for the death of probe
if it really was that good how come no other tier1 decks play it?
basically, rip storm, rip ascendence decks, rip yung p

>>51152238
>we on that sweet, sweet tron is control meme

aw yee

>bans in effect on MTGO
give me your spiciest delver card to replace my probes

I didn't see a dedicated thread for Aether Revolt draft so I'll plop my post here

Any drafting tips for Aether Revolt? I don't play standard so I don't know if Energy is a meme or not. I was going to draft something aggro-y if possible but I don't know if I can. Best color(s) for that?

>>51160726
Go look at LSV's draft review. I don't read them much so I can't speak of their exact level of quality be it's a decent start at least. Experience is the only way to truly get good at a particular draft format.

>>51147651
No
I can give you a list of cards that can be used to improve this deck, would you like that?

>>51160722
Play Esper delver with mana tithe and trickbind for sweet, sweet salt.

>>51160722
Peek if you want the effect, noxious revival if you want the free card

>>51160894
I feel like I'd rather play squelch than trickbind, but thanks for the idea
>>51160927
Not looking for a 1 to 1 replacement, just need to fill the slot really

>>51160940
>I feel like I'd rather play squelch than trickbind, but thanks for the idea
shadow of doubt, famalam

>>51160940
Id play noxious then, you can pick an instant or sorcery from your gy and force delver to flip by putting it on top until that gets banned.

>>51161040
The day noxious revival gets banned in modern is the day I eat my fucking duals

>>51161076
Phyrexian mana cards are on the way out, modern is a format meant for cucks.

>>51161104
Oh yeah, can't believe how many gut shots are showing up in top tier decks

>>51161143
Someone gut shot my goyf for the 1 damage needed to kill it after it killed one of his creatures. I was so surprised, it didn't even put me in a bad spot or anything, but why the fuck would you bring in gutshot for goyf?

>>51160722
i've been tempted to run a tectonic edge to keep spell pierces and mana leaks live but never tried it.
you could also just add clique now that you have to bump up the land count

>>51146749
Liquimetal coating?

>>51157244
>it's a tron is control episode

Please keep it coming, senpai, I love these ones

>>51157539
>>51157644
I'm not sure if Fatal Push is worth running in the standard Esper control shell. Black is harder to come by in the mana base, which makes Blessed Alliance and Condemn better as backups for Path.

A more midrange style version of Esper could benefit a lot from Push, though. I was thinking something like:

Creatures: 7
4 Snapcaster Mage
3 Tasigur, the Golden Fang

Instants: 26
4 Thought Scour
4 Path to Exile
3 Fatal Push
2 Spell Snare
3 Think Twice
2 Logic Knot
4 Esper Charm
4 Cryptic Command

Other Spells: 4
4 Lingering Souls

Lands: 23
3 Celestial Colonnade
4 Polluted Delta
4 Flooded Strand
2 Hallowed Fountain
2 Watery Grave
3 Island
1 Plains
1 Swamp
3 Drowned Catacomb

>>51162468
Stay retarded.

>start getting into modern
>build Twin because it seems very skill intensive and fun
>banned
>build Grixis Delver for a bit and enjoy myself
>see Dredge is on the rise after Amalgam and the new support cards
>love the uniqueness of how it plays out
>banned a piece of it already

I just wanna have fun. Even the Probe ban fucked over my storm deck.

>use cockatrice or xmage to test decks and use cards I don't have on mtgo
>always without fail run into raging autists
Is this the price of using mtgo?

>>51156896
>Play Tron
>Lose a match due to commandeer stealing my Karn twice in a row

Any chance Kari Zev could have a place in Norin Sisters?

>>51150507

Losing flying and 2 power seems like a perfectly reasonable trade for the ability to blink non-creature permanents.

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>>51163760

And with Panharmonica in play you can do infinite damage, scry infinite and create infinite 1/4 tokens with haste.

Resto aint got shit on cat.

>>51163833
That doesn't go infinite

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>>51163889

Yes it does

>>51163833
Nope, once you flicker with the first tigger, the new Saheeli becomes a new object and the second trigger fizzles.
Understanding the rules is important and makes you a better player, you should read up on them.

>>51163917

You dont assign the second target until the first one resolves.

Check the ruling before ruling.

>>51163947
Panharmonicon is a replacement effect, which means 2 triggers are put on the stack for the cat. Before one of them resolves you need to assign a target for the other. If both target Saheeli, then one resolves and the second trigger fizzles.
It's not hard to understand if you know the rules, buddy.

>>51163947
Anyways you could always trigger the second etb on the clone, which leads to as many duplicate cats as there are cats, which can blink saheeli for +1 do I dont see what the problem is.

>>51163980
Tokens stop existing when they change zones. Hell, even if it did work, you'd never be able to activate Saheeli if you flicker her and a clone that somehow wouldn't die, as you always have triggers on the stack. You can only activate PWs sorcery speed, if the stack is empty.

>>51163980
Do you know what happens to tokens when they leave the battlefield anon?

Remember when Wizards said they're dropping Modern from the Pro Tour because they didn't want feel obligated to ban cards based on the PT?

Remember when this didn't change fucking anything and they're still banning Modern cards and shit now they're even banning Standard cards?

Guys tell me.

I've been thinking of making Mono black controll for those sweet Obliterators.

Except for the obvious Lillys, Inquisitions and Collected Brutality what else should I include in it?

Was thinking of running 12-13 swamps, 2 Tombs of Yawgmoth and 4 Ghost Quarters as mana base (Ghost Quarters with 2 surgicals for fucking up Tron).

I won't run bob due to Obliterators and burn is heavily played at my FNM's.

What else should I include?

>>51164018

Same thing what happens to me when I leave this thread?

They never come back?

>>51164126
Here's a budget list I've been messing with:
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/03-01-17-budget-mono-black-control/

I can tell you right now that you can try 4x Ghost Quarters in main board but even with 2 Tombs it's going to fuck you.

This list has way too many creatures, but I've just been testing random stuff while trying to stay budget.

Here's recent non-budget monoblack list:
https://www.mtggoldfish.com/articles/instant-deck-tech-mono-black-control-modern

>>51160991
Double-down with Boomerangs for Shocks.

>>51164179
I got budget mono black deck, but I was thinking of upgrading it to actuall modern stanrdards.

4 Hagarbacks, 4 Obliterators and possibly 2-4 some decent 2-3 drops.

>>51163912
Read the cat again.

>>51164126

Gary is a must

Stormgalt Knights
Gravecrawler
Bloodgheist

>>51164282
>Stormgalt Knights

Did you accidentaly the name? Can't find that card and I never heard of a card named that way.

Garys will fuck me up, people at my shop tend to play ultra aggro and Gary will simply fuck me up alot.

Was thinking of either Phyrexian Arena or Underground Connections. (maybe 2 night whispers too).

>>51145591
Reminder that Saheeli also goes infinite with Sun Titan.

>>51164820
How does that work?

>>51164867
>Drop Sun Titan
>Bring back Saheeli
>-2 on Sun Titan
>New one brings another Saheeli back from the yard
>Sac the old one
>-2 on Sun Titan
Loop demonstrated.

>>51164882
>requires a saheeli in the grave
>infinite
No?

>>51164898
Oh sorry for suggesting a reasonable fallback infinite combo in your infinite combo deck.

>>51164910
It's a 12 mana 3 card combo that requires you to either have a sun Titan or saheeli on board for a turn, unless youre at 9 mana lol, seems pretty bad

>>51164925
12 mana? Nigger you just drop a Sun Titan.

>>51164898
They bolt your saheeli when you play fagcat and you lose saheeli. Then play suntitan and go infinite hasty suntitans that turn. Hes helping you build reliability.

>>51164940
You need to have already played a saheeli and have 1 in the grave, or have 2 in the grave. The fact of the matter is that you need 2 saheeli in the board or grave

>>51165128
Not the same anon, but as he already said it's a fallback combo if shit goes wrong.

So you always have a backup and lets be honest you can return other stuff than Saheli with your Titan if situation requires.

>>51165128
>The fact of the matter is that you need 2 saheeli in the board or grave
I could've told you that before we started. You seem to be missing the point of a deck having multiple ways to win.

>>51165274
If any of these cards had flash I'd consider it

>>51164282
>"Hey guys I'm thinking of making a control deck"
>"PUT 2 POWER ONE DROPS IN IT"

>>51165436
>White Winie is a controll

I KNEW IT!

New thread
>>51166479
>>51166479
>>51166479

>>51163068
Spicy. Give me some more.

>>51160887
please give advice