Warhammer 40,000 General /40kg/

>>51119836
No horsecocks, no Marine players, no posts.

>>51119836
Other thread came first, it's the correct one
>>51119755
>>51119755
>>51119755

>>51119934
>correct
Look again, anon.

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How would one go about starting a Deathwatch army? What's the best loadout for the veterans, depending on what you want them to do?

>>51120272
Shotguns and bolters/combi for non frag cannon dudes. Then just get lots of frag cannons

>>51120272
buy a couple start collecting boxes

>>51121854
or the large box

>>51120272
With the Agents of the Imperium book the smallest possible deathwatch army is a single kill team

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>want to fall to chaos
>cant decide on god
im just gonna convert all my mantis warriors to chaos if i end up liking csm more than sm

>>51124337
Go Word Bearers and worship them all.

>>51124337
don't do it

chaos sucks

even with traitor legions they are still weaker than loyalist marines in all respects.

>>51124353
>even with traitor legions they are still weaker than loyalist marines in all respects.

Anon, it's not about how powerful they are on the table.

>>51120272
>What's the best loadout for the veterans, depending on what you want them to do?
bolters for ap3 MEQ hunting

otherwise give them literally anything else. The frag cannon and heavy bolter are assault weapons. If kitting a squad for melee, don't be afraid of mixing weapons.

also do give your marines as much personalization as possible. They deserve it.

>>51124349
that means i gotta give up my space kamen riders and i dont want to
>>51124353
do they actually ? i thought death guard and world eaters are pretty strong, even casually.

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>>51124337
>>51124349
Pic related.

>>51124383
world eaters gives them furious charge so they can pretend to be blood angels. Berserkers still suck.

death guard gives them relentless which is awesome, but the best units already have relentless anyway. The real appeal of death guard is for the toughness modifiers.

black legion gets this really half backed deep strike spam formation which sounds better than it is

Inquisition could do the same thing as death guard with rad grenades for ages, but nobody cared until the CSM did it

>>51124410
what about the rest of the traitors ?

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>>51124337

I knew those Mantis Warriors were no good traitor scum.

>>51124430

Night Lords get stealth and fear but it rarely matters, even with -2 base, which is nice for Havoks. They also get a few nasty Prince builds.

>>51124430
alpha legion can infiltrate stuff. Potentially good.

night lords get raptors as a core choice in their decurion, and raptors count as troops in their cad if I recall. Not that raptors are good.

thousand sons are the same as wrath of magnus

don't remember the bonuses for the others but they weren't good

>>51124353

They are weaker in terms of

- FMC access
- Infiltrate
- Daemon allies
- Psyker allies
- Point cost saving
- Chaff units like spawn
- Combi Terminators
- Hordes

Probably some more. Are they worse than C:SM as an army? Yes. But they do have some unique stuff that at least provides a REASON for playing them.

>>51124454
we did nothing wrong
>>51124456
>>51124457
so the new traitors get a resounding "its ok i guess"
oh.......

>>51124363

Hey look an Eldar player

>>51124476
I don't follow?

>>51124504
Everyone you disagree with plays Tau, Eldar or Grav Marines

>>51124524

I like that you specified the type of marine because I play 100% (I mean literally, 100% every unit has a CCW assault) vanilla marines and get faggots bitching and moaning that I play vanilla marines like I play gravstar or grav BC or grav bikers or some shit on /tg/.

>>51124524
Well I play blob guard with tank support, so far cry from an OP eldar player.

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Well, I think I may need to get a forgefiend for my night lords. I didn't realize how cool it would look with the lightning.

>>51124641
What are your lists like?

>>51124454
>his chain lightning claw thingy looks like a shark
heh i don't know what i expected

>>51124723
It's a striking scheme for a big canvas models, and yeah the abundance of rims really help break it up so you dont just have big slabs of lightning sky.

>>51124723
>>51124757

Also, that's a great piece of brass

>>51124737
Standard list is:

Command Squad, Vox, Lascannon, Chimera

2x5 Wyrdvane Psykers

2 Infantry platoon with 3 squads plus command, all with one heavy weapons squad (4 Autocannon, 4 Lascannon), 1 Vox per blob, 1 vox for command, Priest and Primaris Psyker for each blob of 30 guardsmen.

2 Devil Dogs

1x 2 Exterminators

2 LR Battle Tanks

Sometimes switch it up by swapping in Ogryn or Plasma Cannon Sentinels because I love em. Never end up doing much though.

>>51124773
Nice. Looks fun. How does it fair?

>>51124821
Does pretty well, though I'm not sure if that's to do with the list or the fact that most armies I get to play against are Orks.

>>51124854
Orkz and Guard are sort of in the same tier so that probably means it's a decent list.

>>51124865
I'd put Orks on low and guard on mid, but okay.

>>51124875
I've seen that said a lot, but based on those ITC results and how Guard lose 95% of the time in battle reports, I can't help but feel Guard are low tier.

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>>51124985
Oh well. At least it matches the fluff.

>>51124985
Keep in mind loads of people play guard, only the truly mad ro devoted take orks to tourneys.

>>51124985

IG are low tier. People don't realize this because they haven't actually sat down and counted how many factions we have, how many new factions we have, how many of those new factions are better than IG (KDK, GSC, Knights), and how many old armies that were worse than IG became better than them since 5E (Eldar, Tau, vanilla marines, DA, Necrons, GK, Daemons, etc).

Even if IG didn't move at all, simply by sheer virtue of new additions and buffed old armies, IG got pushed to the bottom of the rung, hanging only above complete losers like Orks and Tyranids.

>>51125102
Tyranids can be powerful and they are nowhere near orks. Spamming flyrants can get you very far.

IG also has some powerful stuff. Mostly from FW. Vultures and Malcador Infernuses spring to mind. Both are sickenly good at what they do.

>>51125121

So what would you say is weaker than Tyranids but stronger than Orks?

Malcadors are trash you're better off with the knight equivalent.

>>51125128
Yes.

And Malcadors are trash except Infernus. Poisoned 2+ ap2 hellstorm 18" torrent template is enough to scary almost any army shitless. It has raw firepower and is major disrupting factor since you cant just ignore its massive 16" flamer template when you deploy your guys.

And it costs less than knight gallant.

>>51125145
>Poisoned 2+ ap2 hellstorm 18" torrent template is enough to scary almost any army shitless.
What the fucking fuck is that bullshit?

Yeah no if someone tried to put that on a table against me I'd pack up and walk away.

>>51125102
SoB player here. IG are fun because my tree weapon options work wonderful against them.

Also Necrons, but I think it is because the local necron player sucks ass.

>>51125157
Its bullshit, IG version. You hardly ever see it anywhere since the model is goofy and almost every single large rulespack bans Hellstorm weapons.

Leaks never ever?

>>51125174
>every single large rulespack bans Hellstorm weapons

It's ok, I'll bring an Ullanor instead. I'm sure a 7" blast moving 72" across the board and hitting anything it touches automatically, including flyers and FMC, and having AP2, ID, Pinning, Armourebane, and Ignores Cover, isn't that bad. At least its strength depends on the model hit. Anything below MCs are hit at S5, MCs and vehicles at S8, Tanks at S10 and the rest get the D.

>>51124723
that's a maulerfiend tho

>>51125233
No, because for some reason people care more about the plot than the game or hobby aspects.

Caring about fluff after 4th maybe 5th is like watching porn for the story.

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> Want to have a Space Marine chapter comprised of models from both 40k and 30k minis
> Contemptor Pattern Dreadnoughts alongside Mk5 Dreadnoughts
> MK1 Rhinos alongside MK2 Rhinos
> Rogue Trader era weapons with modern infantry, etc

Is there any way to do this and explain it in lore that doesn't sound dumb as hell? The only thing I can think of is warp shenanigans but "part of the chapter got lost in the warp for 10,000 years and sooooooomehow didn't succumb to chaos :^)" sounds mary sue as fuck.

I know they're "my dudes" and I can do whatever but I'm hoping to find something that I like but also won't get a bunch of eyerolls in case anyone is curious about my guys when they're on the table.

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>>51124570
Oh no... marine player have it hard. Poor thing.

>>51125259
Ullanor also costs over 1000 points. Its not good when you count how much it costs.

Although mowing through a deathstar would be hilarious

>>51125284
>Is there any way to do this and explain it in lore that doesn't sound dumb as hell?
Explain what? chapters all use a motley mix of equipment from different eras of the imperium's history. The ones in standardized gear (like the new deathwatch with their mk8 suits) are the strange ones.

The only sort of problem is the clashing styles and sizes of the various models. The mk1 rhino is considerably smaller than the mk2, and the newer models are going to be noticeably more detailed.

>>51125284
Red Scorpions and Minotaurs.

Just dawned on me that there really were no plastic sisters of battle troops and all there was, was Celestine?

No hints of anything else in the line coming out over the next months.

Newfag here. Thinking about making a Khorne dedicated army. Th question is: should I start a World Eater army, or would be better a KDK one?

>>51125410
February anon. Holy fuck, we can have this bullshit again when we hit the time that was predicted.

I've heard a lot of good things about Chessex, should I order from them if I want fancy Tzeentch dice or something like that?

>>51119836
I want the Emporer to save me

>>51125412
If you want a lot of Daemons in your force, KDK, if not, World Eaters.

Since Scions can take anything IG can from Forge world, what are some good FW units that would pair well with them?

>>51125174
>>51125157
>>51125145
i like the model but i've passed over buying it twice now because it's so fucking good i feel like i'dd never be able to use it without feeling guilt

for a quick glimpse how good the standard malcador is in 30k see >>51124704
(keep in mind russes are more expensive in 30k but even then the malcador holds up against IG variants)
all the malcador hulls , valdor included are better in 30k and with the exception of the malcador should have the ruleset directly imported into 40k imo without the usual 30k special rules (no flare shield , aux drive , expl adapt,armored ceramite, multilasers etc)

Anyone here play genestealer cult? Played Space Hulk (boardgame) recently and a friend suggested we could start collecting the respective forces and play a campaign based of it.

>>51125459
>Since Scions can take anything IG can from Forge world

source?

>>51125468
Go for it, they're great. And you can have a Pseudo-Imperial Guard force while you're at it.

>>51125459
They cant. Scions =! Imperial Guard. They are Militarum Tempestus, totally different military organization.

>>51125468
I have a genestealer cult. Great army, but it's high model count. So, I hope you like painting. On the plus side. They are some of the best models games workshop has ever released.

>>51125468
Haven't played game yet but /tg/ says they are a higher tier army.

>>51125480
Anon Scion are inside the IG codex. The Scion codex if anything is a supplement.

>>51125497
no, the scion codex is a codex of its own

you trade away all the IG stuff, in return you get amazing orders, new formations and non platoon obsec scions

>>51125420
It is going to be fucking hilarious if they sell 5 girl squads in boxes. Not so bad since SoB only work as MSU, but I bet they are going to price them as box of 20 models

>>51125474
>>51125480
http://cadiascreed40k.blogspot.com/2014/11/militarum-tempestus-forge-world.html?m=1

No FAQ update on it since then means they're allowed to take the same stuff.

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>>51125468

> Playing as xenos scum

You have disgraced yourself before the Emperor.

They do get a pretty sweet truck though. Plus, as a bonus you get to use some IG vehicles as well.

Like all horde armies though, if you're new to the hobby they might not be the best solely because of the amount of stuff you'll have to buy and then paint to get up and running. If you're ok with that, than have fun and post pictures when your models are finished.

>>51125512
Emails mean nothing. Our playgroup emailed same rules-question to FW but just worded differently.

We got 3 completely different answers.

>>51124363
Chaos
No about being strong
A faction whose fluff is that the immortal warriors of the emperor turn due to list for power
Not Bout being powerful

>>51124570

This is exactly why marine players on /tg/ are faggots. They act as if they're the only top tier codex that have non-waac options.

>>51125512
`In the meantime you can consider the Militarum Tempestus to be the same as the Astra Militarum/Imperial guard in terms of what Imperial Armour equipment and vehicles they have access to.`

>2014

unless they publish this email on the FW site it can be disregarded, see >>51125531

everytime you ask GW/FW about a rule clarification they have a good chance of just giving you the "forge your own narrative" response

that being said, it would be hilarious if they allowed this, tempestus is a strong codex already but lacks ignores cover, FW would solve that and much MUCH more

>>51125535
Missed the point completely, Anon.

>>51125468
They are much better than their Blood angels opponents in the box. so have fun

>want to try out some list compositions
>BS crashes whenever I try to add a SM CAD
Holy shit this program sucks so bad.

>>51125570
There's a list builder in the OP.

Formations are killing this game
Prove me wrong
>pro tip you can't

>>51125608
taxless formations are killing the game

>>51125608
But that's wrong because it's grav that's killing the game.

Some formations are bullshit and should be completely removed but most of them are fine, fun and fluffy.

>>51125616
Fun and fluffy?

Like what?

>>51125603
>BS is a messy piece of garbage that crashes all the time
>online list builder has a ton of listing mistakes or misses units
Life is hard.

>>51125629
All that means is you need to know your codex.

>>51125629
inb4 someone says use pen and paper

>>51125629
BS hasn't crashed for me since 2.05

>>51125657
>the end times

End this meme.

>>51125626
Battle Demi-Company (not Gladius and its free transport bullshit, just the Demi-Company on its own) is pretty fluffy. Skyhammer is a great example, it just needs its retarded rules toned down.

The Farsight decurion is actually fun and fluffy, it just includes fucking stupid formations like Riptide Wing and HRC. Remove those and make Retaliation Cadre 0-1 and you have a cool way to play suit Tau.
>inb4 that one's still broken because of suits and/or Tau

A lot of the Eldar formations are really cool but suffer from being naturally OP because they're in the Eldar codex.

>>51125696
Id say the eldar core formations fluffyness suffer from ALL having farseer as the leader.

Wraith host and storm guardians sure, but leave some for the autarch, the actual warrior-generals

>>51125696
The best formations are the ones that are 2-3 lesser used units with a combo/teamwork oriented buff.

The bad formations are the ones that are 1 or 2 types of units and have a mountain of bland benefits that are just raw power, like extra ballistic skill or free upgrades.

>>51125682
only if proven wrong

I really, really hope they don't kill 40k

>>51125716
Yeah, RG has great ones where scouts act as actual spotters.

>>51125718
Bigger odds of Blizzard rebooting WoW

>>51125736
last year was the year for the odds to be beaten, who's to say it won't happen this year too?

So newb question about Ahriman and his Black Staff.

>The Black Staff of Ahriman has the profile below. It allows Ahriman to attempt to manifest the same witchfire power up to three times per Psychic phase.

Does this mean that Ahriman can cast 12 witchfires in the psychic phase? As in 3 psychic shrieks, then 3 doom bolts, then 3 smites and then three firestorms.

Or does it simply mean as a ML4 3 of his spells can be the same spell? So 3 doombolts then 1 shriek and he's done.

>>51125754
The latter

>>51125754
The Black Staff does not allow him to cast more than four powers.

>>51125762
>>51125764
Why does he cost 230 points then? Without a spell familiar?

>>51125482
I play Skaven in fantasy so it should be no problem. I like their armour too it sort of reminds me of alien stuff with the spotlights and rebreathers.

>>51125784
ask GW

>>51125836
pls buy our miniatures

Any one knows why GW charges for the Tracking number?

>>51125938
You're paying for an intern to send you an email with it

So do we know at all what the Triumvirate do yet? I'd really like to see their rules, and maybe their Formation.

>>51125938
because it costs more to get tracking numbers on the courier

This "Grand Crusade" formation that was supposefly announced to be in FoC is a different one from the pre-built armies you can buy, right?

Is it a reasonable guess that the book is going to also include a few army-specific formations that weren't announced, like the Damocles books had several for IG and the different SM chapters?

>>51125754
From GW FAQ
>Q: Is the maximum number of powers a Psyker can use in their turn equal to their Mastery Level, or the number of powers they have (due to Psychic Focus they often have one more power than their Mastery Level)?
>A: Unless explicitly permitted to do so, Psykers may not attempt to manifest more psychic powers than the number of their Mastery Level within a single Psychic phase.

Mind you though I can see the argument for both sides. Noone(?) else can do what Ahriman can so does the Black Staff mean to break this rule?

>Psykers may not attempt to manifest more psychic powers than the number of their Mastery Level

This would normally mean 4 different powers on a ML4. Ahriman is only casting 4 powers just 3 times each as his staff allows

>It allows Ahriman to attempt to manifest the same witchfire power up to three times per Psychic phase.

So after thinking about it I'm leaning towards 12 witchfires actually.

>>51124985

Orks do better in ITC for a couple of reasons. Firstly, they have access to Buzzgob's Stompa, which many groups will either ban or frown upon due to it being no longer officially supported by Forgeworld. Secondly, ITC missions are set up to favour small, fast moving units that can claim objectives. Orks are surprisingly good at this, having access to cheap units like Deffkoptas and Buggies. Guard on the other hand do poorly at this.

>>51125718

As an Ork player, all I can say is

Bring.
It.
On.

40K is as bloated and broken as 8th edition Fantasy was. The game has reached an active state of anti-fun at this point. Tear it down and rebuild it from the ground up.

Is a Pinion Battle Demi-Company a good idea for a somewhat fluffy and still useful Black Templars army? The scouts coming in with their own Assault Squad could reasonably represent Neophytes and their Initiates coming onto the field and getting the Outflank advantage on a potentionally 10-man Assault squad seems pretty decent for Black Templar tactics.

>>51125849
I know you're new but what part of "go undercover to collect marketing data" dont you get?

>>51125997
Lean however you want, don't expect anyone else to let you get away with it.

>>51126063
>;^)
Thanks for the input buddy.

Anyone with the digital rulebook able to tell me if it's been updated to include the new FAQs/Erratas?

GW said they'd do it, but the rulebook in the OP hasn't been changed. Not sure if GW hasn't done it yet or the changes just haven't been added to the Mega folder.

Specifically wondering if they've added KDK to all malefic summoning? Strictly RAW from the FAQ only bloodthirsters can be summoned from KDK. It makes sense based on the FAQ that KDK Bloodletters or Flesh Hounds could be summoned but it would be nice to be able to be backed up by GW text.

>>51125938
they do ?
i got mine for free alongside the express shipping when i payed over 250
other than that express shipping is faster than the normal one

>>51126088
Not him, but there's absolutely no ground to argue allowing Ahriman to cast 12 Witchfires a turn. The rules/FAQ clearly state that you get a number of powers equal to your ML, and the Black Staff does not dispute that.

>>51126060
>GW
>collecting marketing data
l e l

>>51126088
anon there comes a point in a rules discussion where either you arrive ona concensus, the guy you're arguing with converts to your point of view or he just goes "but no" to all of your well founded arguments
at which point you can either keep arguing witha brick wall or tell him to fuck off and keep on cheating if that's what he prefers
you're the latter

>>51126042
I don't want to see the game reduced to Sigmar-tier shit, and I have very little faith in the current rules teams ability to make a fun, balanced ruleset from scratch. I'd rather they just continue tinkering with the current base.

>>51126133
i think /tg/ would be the worst place to collect marketing data if it wasn't a giant GW conspiracy.

>>51125997
And the rest of the army will be a whole bunch of wapr batteries? I'm not a tourney player, but I think this logic wouldn't stand.

>>51126127
>that you get a number of powers equal to your ML
Yes and if Ahriman had 4 different witchfires then what? His staff says he can manifest a witchfire 3 times.

>>51126150
Lol. You didnt even offer an argument mate. I offered him the FAQ and discussed it, you wrote nothing of consequence. But please tell me more from that high horse of yours.

>>51125961
You do know that is pretty much automatically done. For fuck sake even in my third world banana republic country tracking number is by default. We have computers to do it

newfag here.

Question about relics. Is it one per FOC/Formation, or one per army ?

>>51126179
>His staff says he can manifest a witchfire 3 times.
That's the bonus, you get to spam any witchfire up to 3 times, so youcan go 3+1 2+2 2+1+1, any combination that adds up to 4 rather than the regular 1+1+1+1

>>51126189
One of each unique per army, one relic in all per character.

>>51126179
I've read up to the point you are now.
just decided to jump in and back up the anon you where arguing with cause I know how annoying it can be to argue with someone that keeps refusing to heed logic
you're either a non native speaker that can't interpret meaning worth shit or you're just trying to avoid the obvious because you want ahriman to be better than he is

but here you go , something that even you might understand
>you may eat 4 cookies
>okay i pick 3 chocolate chip cookies , 3 mint cookies, 3 vanilla cookies and 3 normal cookies

>>51126179
"Manifest a witchfire three times" is extremely different to "Manifest a number of powers greater than your mastery level"

>>51126208
thanks

>>51126180
Maybe it's a banana republic because of all the unemployment created by automated tracking numbers putting interns out of work.

>>51126213
You forgot to put
>3 cookies may be the same type
in the middle.

>you may eat 4 cookies
>3 cookies may be the same type
>okay i pick 3 chocolate chip cookies , 3 mint cookies, 3 vanilla cookies and 3 normal cookies

>>51126250
You're still eating 12 different cookies.

Ahriman may cast 4 powers. The Staff just lets him cast a given Witchfire up to 3 times. Casting Psychic Shriek 3 times is still casting 3 powers.

>>51126213
>I want this person to read me post and take me seriously
>I know I'll just insult him!
K.

>>51126214
Perhaps as I said In my OP >>51125997 I can see the argument for both sides. I just find that the interaction of the BS isnt specified.

>A psyker can manifest as many powers as their ML
>Ahriman can manifest the same witchfire 3 times

Does as many powers refer to 'number of powers' or 'amount of powers'?

>>51126250
>you may eat 4 cookies, one of each
>but because you're a special little boy 3 cookies may be the same type
>okay i pick 3 chocolate chip cookies , 3 mint cookies, 3 vanilla cookies and 3 normal cookies

>>51126275
>Does as many powers refer to 'number of powers' or 'amount of powers'?
Attempts to manifest.

>>51126232
It was a banana republic before computers.

Still doesn't explain why GW doesn't give tracking numbers. For fuck sake smaller companies do it and bigger ones do it too even for crappy £2 dollar shit and do not charge extra for their already expensive £13 shipping.

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I was thinking about doing a Communist-based space marine chapter, more like inspired by how the URSS operated during the second world war (kinda how the Imperial Guard does) but then remembered the Iron Warriors exist lol

>>51126275
i'm insulting you because people have shown you exactly where you erred in judgement multiple times and you still keep on saying "multiple interpretations are possible" despite everyone telling you the contrary

>>51126180
yeah but the license to use the software from the carrier that does the polling and syncs the parcels with your inventory control system cost a buttload of money.

thus no automatic tracking numbers for you!

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Why is he holding a melon? Do they give Necrons special powers?

>>51126272
>>51126279
Yes that is the point we are making

The last line is in jest, pointing out that anyone who eats 3 of each cookie is an idiot when we already specified only 4 cookies may be eaten.

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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2017/01/10/profits-soar-games-workshop-fantasy-model-retailer-battles-back/

I'm pleased to see that GW is doing well. They deserve it. They have finally started listening to their customers.

>>51126275
I can see why there'd be confusion, but the argument for the other side doesn't really hold up. If we go back to the FAQ, it says that you can only exceed your mastery level in number of attempts to manifest if it's EXPLICITLY stated in the entry. Even if you could argue that the staff allows it, and I still don't find that argument compelling, it'd falter because it's only implicitly allowing you to exceed your mastery level.

>>51126318
And yet everyone else managed not to be such a cock. Puzzling isnt it.

>>51126351
>Unless explicitly permitted to do so
And that might be the end of it.

>>51126330

You never heard of a resurrection melon?
They give Necrons fruity tingles.

>>51126330
>implies that watermelons aren't known to grant special powers.

Come on, anon. Really?

>>51126386
>And yet everyone else managed not to be such a cock
Nah I joined in with his cockery and called you an idiot here as well >>51126333

>>51126321
Explain smaller companies doing it? For fuck sake china does it for shit that cost nothing. GW is the only company that charges for tracking. Other just charge for faster shipping and shit like that.

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>>51126330
He's king nigger.

>>51126330
It's cuz they waz kangz n shiet, dey need dem watahmelons to geddup in da mornin n pick up their welfare check

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>>51126423

>>51126413
What ever helps you feel a little less dead inside Anon.

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>>51126423
Dats racist.

i really wish the death watch were good enough on table top to warrant throwing money into build an army of them. They seem to have great lore and even some mystery about them and would be great fun to play.

>>51126463
Ok

>>51126463
I started a DW army. They aren't great, but they aren't the worst, either. If you are just playing casual games, they are fine.

>>51126414
>Explain smaller companies doing it?

good point, i can't explain why a company like GW does not have the money to provide their customers with the convenience to track their orders.

the place i work at got a new deal that included the license after they've reached 300 orders a day average, making the lives of my colleagues and me easier.

i suspect that GW saves money in the wrong places or they're trying to monetize something as simple as a parcel number.
greed is always a bad advisor, but they seem to get a way with it somehow :/

>>51125696
The farsight decurion does not include the riptide wing. That's just a standalone formation people take.

>>51126535
A bloody company in some Eastern Europe making models. Has automatic tracking with every order.

Charge extra for faster shipping. Charging for tracking is fucking stupid and greedy as fuck.

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>>51126250

Is this decent enough to work at a casual toruney level?

>inb4 don't use Rangers/Arquebus
The Arquebi are a decent way to easily snipe something over the entire table, like some Plasma Cannon blasting me from way out of reach.

I also feel that the Icarus Array is unfortunately a necessity to have something against our local Tyranid players, since all of them run at least a Flyrant and normally also a harpy.

+ Troops +

········Skitarii Rangers [Omnispex, Ranger Alpha, 4x Skitarii Ranger, 2x Transuranic arquebus]

3x·····Skitarii Vanguards [Arc Rifle, 4x Skitarii Vanguard, Vanguard Alpha]

+ Formation +

········Dominus Maniple
············Onager Dunecrawler [Cognis heavy stubber, Cognis manipulator, Icarus Array - Twin autocannon, Gatling rockets, Daedalus]
············Skitarii Vanguards [3x Plasma Caliver, 9x Skitarii Vanguard]
················Vanguard Alpha [Pater Radium, Radium carbine, Refractor Field]
············Tech Priest Dominus [Eradication Ray, Macrostubber, Refractor field, The Scryerskull Perspicatus]

>>51126614
Illegal/10

>>51126614
Right off the bat, put the 2 heldrakes in the terror squadron. Might as well.

>>51126614
cut excess spawns, buy MoN on everything, use DG rules.

So I have to say that out of the 7 games that I have played against sm, csm, chaos, and 1 d eldar as a tau player. I gotta say that dark eldar is a load of bollocks. Dark eldar are unfair trash. Anyone that plays them disgusts me

>>51126637
Nothing illegal with it

>>51126637
How so?
>>51126638
The special rules are really niche but you're absolutely right

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>>51126641
>having trouble with DE
>as a Tau player

>>51126330
WE WUZ PHAERONS N SHIEET

is this game still pricy as fuck

>>51126668
Yes, but they're rolling out boxes with pretty decent discounts.

Take that for what you will

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>>51126614
8/8

Does anyone have the rules for Tyranids in Age of Smegmar? The Cosmic Horrors one

>>51126668
Unless inflation has magically reversed, yes.

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FoC rules leak when?

>>51126639
>cut down spawns
I'm thinking of running the poxwalker hive lord with them, you'd still suggest it?
>buy MoN
I have MoN on everything aside from the vanilla cultists which I'll turn into fearless FNP zombies
>DG rules
I thought that was the Plague Colony which decreases weapon skill and initiative on enemies and doesn't have shitty initiative itself anymore?

>>51126668
In you're on welfare.

>>51126655
I rolled pretty average and got steam rolled. Why would this be bait? I mean it could be that I am still new and all so it might be just me but I won 5 of those 7 games. Every game was close except for me blowing out the chaos daemons out the water and the dark eldar taking me out fast and easily

>>51126706
Are you having a stroke?

>>51126705
DG rules are armywide, plague colony is just for themselves.

>>51126668
It's not too bad right now. But I have a job, so what do I know?

>>51126651
Read the book, scrub.

>>51126653
Death Guard relics in a detachment that isn't Death Guard.

Read the book instead of relying on shitty list-builders.

>>51126712
Dark Eldar are a low-tier faction and Tau are a hard counter to them anyway. You are shit, git gud, etc.

>>51126713
Maybe, eyelid's been twithinf for 3 deay striaght.

>tfw no way to give Skitarii ObjSec
>tfw squishy enough to just be run over without being able to hold a position

I really hope we get a way to give them ObjSec in some way soon.

Being as fast runners as they are is pretty meh when you can't properly benefit from getting to the point first.

>>51126729
It's b8 m8

How do I into an assault-focused SM army? I very, very rarely play against SM (like twice per year) so I have almost no idea how their stuff works, but now I want to start a Charcharodons army.

So far I have this as an idea:
975/1000 (IDK what to do with remaining 25 points)

HQ
>Tyberos the Red Wake (190)
Troops
>The Red Brethren (175) - NOTE: This a Terminator Assault Squad, can't take anything but Lightning Claws, but count as troops, as per Forgeworld
>Scouts (70) - Camo cloaks and sniper rifles
Fast Attack
>Assault Marines (120) - Jump packs, Sergeant with 2x Lightning Claws, and melta bombs
>Assault Marines (120) - Jump packs, Sergeant with 2x Lightning Claws, and melta bombs
>2 Land Speeders (140) - Each with (2x Multi-Melta)
Heavy Support
>Devestators (165) - 4x Multi-Melta, Sergeant with Combi-Melta, Drop Pod with Locator Beacon
The reason for the Devastators is mostly that I wanted to build some heavy weapon guys out of FW Mk III armour and then say they're an example of the spess sherks using old-as-fuck equipment.

Anyway is this good enough for a casual friendly list?

>>51126739
Poe's Law tho m90

>>51126741

whoops sorry it's 980/1000

and basically the idea was "lightning claws and meltas: the army" since that fits spess sherk fluff

>>51126739
You know just claiming it's bait doesn't make it so.
>>51126729
Dude I am new, so maybe I just played them wrong. I guess it's a learning opportunity. I mostly picked the tau because their suits reminded mecha shows that I watch all the time. Looks way cooler than say the loyalist stuff

>>51126730
SOMEONE CALL A DOCTOR

>>51126741
>365 points in T2+ deep strikers
It's shit.
>non-Skayhammer Devastators in a Pod
Shit.
>Assault Marines
Take a single Claw and the Veteran Sergeant upgrade before you take dual Claws. Dual Claws is too many points anyways.

Overall, 3/10. It's going to get crushed by anything somewhat decent.

>>51126633
>The Arquebi are a decent way to easily snipe something over the entire table, like some Plasma Cannon blasting me from way out of reach
No its not. Want some math?
You'll get precision shots every 6 shot.
Lets say your skitarii have bs5 always and that plasma cannon is in 4+ cover which is dropped to 5+ due Omnispex.

You'll need average 22 shots to get enough Precision shots, wounds and failed cover saves to kill that plasmacannon.

Transuranic Arquebuses are not good weapons. They are mediocre in everything they do, from killing dudes to hurting vehicles.

>>51126772
>You know just claiming it's bait when it's bait doesn't make it so.

Yes.

>>51126790
>Transuranic Arquebuses are not good weapons. They are mediocre in everything they do, from killing dudes to hurting vehicles.
As someone who has to play against Skitarii weekly... They are definitely the most styling special weapon for those guys though.

>>51126728
My mistake, the death guard lord has the poxwalker
Problem solved.
>>51126725
>DG rules
This is just declared? Is this a separate detachment with compulsories? I'm looking at the book right now and can't find it

>>51126812
Yes, sadly that they are. They should have just combined Radium Jezzails and Transuranic Arqubuses:
72" Sx ap3 heavy 2 Sniper, Armorbane, Radphage
There. Now its legit scary weapon that is worth that 25pts cost and swap of lance on Sydonian Dragoon.

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>>51126816
Yet another one to the Duncan folder.

>>51126819
Everything That can has to have MoN

>>51126816
Always rumembah ta thin ya paints 'n get a nice, fine tip on ya brush!

>>51126819
They cannot include any Unique units other than Typhus.
• Units that can take the Mark of Nurgle must do so.
• Units with a Mark of Chaos other than the Mark of Nurgle cannot be taken.
• All units that can do so must be upgraded to Veterans of the Long War, at no additional points cost.
• Any Daemon Princes must have the Daemon of Nurgle special rule.
• Psykers from the Detachment can choose to generate all of their psychic powers from the Discipline of Nurgle.

All units in a Death Guard Detachment or Formation gain the following special rules:

GIFTS OF NURGLE
Units that have the Veterans of the Long War special rule have the Fearless and Feel No Pain special rules, but reduce their Initiative characteristic by 1. Typhus and units of Plague Marines are unaffected.

INEXORABLE ADVANCE
Units that have the Veterans of the Long War special rule have the Relentless special rule.

LORDS OF THE PLAGUE HOST
Units of Plague Marines are Troops choices instead of Elites choices

>>51126836
Thank god im not the only one with a duncan folder

>>51126633
I would just change some little things like giving the Dominus a conversion field instead of the Refractor field and taking 2 Arc Rifles per squad of Vanguard.
You could save some points without Pater Radium (it never really helps me, and it's kind of expensive) or the Cognis Manipulator (You can heal your Dunecrawler with your Dominus if you need it).

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>>51126042
Implying 40k is fun and not 'grimdark'

>>51126871
You don't have fun? Why do you play then?

>>51126838
>>51126844
Thanks alot. Do they still have objective secured?

>>51126790
They do work suprisingly well in kill team however, I ran a two arquebus vanguard squad with a dragoon with radium jezzail in a 4 way kill team game a while back and near single handedly took out all 3 other players

>>51126812
Well, I know that they aren't the best things at killing things, I'm mostly taking them for the tsble-wide range.

>>51126923
You keep your detachment and formation bonuses on top of that.

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What does everyone think of the new Keeper of Secrets model?

>>51126955
It doesn't have enough skulls on it for the Nurgle model it's meant to be. Does GW even know which god they are designing models for anymore?

>>51126955
Keeper of secrets when?

>>51126772
You've made a claim that looks stupid on it's face.

Describe the composition of the armies and what happened and what the primary reason you lost was. For example, if you were too dumb to use ignores cover and got styled on by raiders, that might explain your loss. Otherwise people are just going to call you a tard.

>>51126955
Not FoC rules leaks. Other than that meh, another big model

>>51126955
A lot of people say it's overdesigned. I think it looks neat.

>>51126955
Doesn't look bad, but like most of the new GW pieces it's too big and seems like it would be a nightmare to transport.

GW really should get back to making minis that you can use as gaming pieces. Even if they 'officially' think that is beneath them.

>>51126979
>Keeper of Secrets when?

Now.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=gMUEFZXkmDA

>>51126984

I'm pretty sure Archaon is specifically designed to break in transport.

Hell, not even just in transport, I've seen the one the local GW has in their window slumped over collapsed off it's own base at least three times.

>>51126998
You Tzeechian bastard, you made me laugh. I thought it would be an announcement video for a new Slaanesh greater demon.

>>51126955
I think it's a little busy.

What in the actual fuck is the Conclave Acquisitorius?

Who the fuck would buy this?

>>51126984
Fucking THIS.

I hate how every new monster is the size of a super heavy

>>51126955

It's a bit busy but when you compare it to what Archaon is riding it's a fucking masterpiece. For a start its head looks somewhat realistic rather than a Disney plush toy.

>>51126785

B-but dual claws look cool

>>51126984
I saw Celestine and was like. God fucking damn it how I'm suppose to transport that shit without needing a billion magnets and pinning.

Somewhere along the lines GW forgot it sold models for gaming. Not for dioramas.

So with DE at the end of FoC will them be getting their fucking characters back. It's ridiculous DE without Vect is like SM without papa smurf

>>51127094
>What in the actual fuck is the Conclave Acquisitorius?
Either is fuckhueg 3k sized formation who nobody ever playes or much smaller formation that just happens to have option to have those units. Like said, its not a formation but a detachment which implies admech might finalle get their own Detachment of Formations.

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>>51126952
>>51126844
>>51126838
This any better?

>>51127159

She needs a rock or a column or something instead of that script. As nice as it looks it'll be lucky to survive its first game without getting broken.

>>51127134

Part of the reason it looks busy is because the paint team overdid the contrast, making the detail clutter in the sculpt stand out more than it would have.

>>51127181
These are relentless obliterators that are firing their weapons twice a turn.That just looks too good to not take.

>>51127194

Yeah you can do a lot of 'painting down' the detail. I would just paint the staff bronze rather than that energy stream thing they've gone for.

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>>51127185
The harbinger of menoth is made out of metal with a base and the thing is a bitch to keep assembled if you move it around.
That fucking flag keeps bending or falling off even after an inch of pinning.

The bitch is left unassemble and unpainted for being a cunt.

>>51127181
Can the warpsmith be taken there without a mark?

>>51127204
A squad fires their weapons 3 times a turn in that detachment

>>51119836
A question for tyranid fans. How would you portray genestealer cults as having redeeming values? Why would the audience root for them over the Imperium they're fighting?

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>>51127289

You don't have to 'root' for a faction to play them.

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>>51126333
To be fully precise, you need to imply that the 3 of a kind part could overrule the 4 part if it was contradictory. It's not, and you can't, but you still oversimplified it.

>>51127289
>Why would the audience root for them over the Imperium they're fighting?
They're not space Nazis. Angle them as freedom fighters against a xenophobic, extremist IoM. This means you can M-Night it and show that the IoM were in the (far) right all along.

>>51127308
So... they don't have to be the "main faction" in your head and they can just be NPCs?

>>51125269
Same model different ends of arms

>>51127308
This. We can take the D&D alternative of this >>51127289 anons question and ask how would anyone portray the DM as having redeeming values and why would the audience root for the evil of the world they're in.

They don't, you just gotta enjoy play the evil guys and bring balance into the world of good and evil.

>>51127289

This >>51127355

The Genestealer Cult fervently believes that the Children of the Void are coming to usher in a promised, beautiful age free from poverty and tyranny. And ironically, that's true. It's just that they escape from those into a digestion pool.

>>51127366

It's called role-play.

Have you never wanted to just say fuck this shit I'm going to be an edge-lord who takes what he wants?

The Hive Mind has promised you everything, so what if every human on the planet has to die.

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Why does Abbadon suck so much?

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>>51125616
>Play Daemons in tournaments
>Mfw I see a Space Marine Grav Spam army roll up

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>>51127476

> MFW I'm running five man plasma squads.

>>51125608
Some formations are bad and OP. A lot of them are fun and unique ways to play the army. The Guard formations for instance, are really nicely done.

>>51125608
>Game has so much bloat it has a 2+ Armour Save
>Grav Weapons are AP2 and Wound based on the target's Armour Save
>Grav Weapons Wound Warhammer 40,000 on a 2+ with no Armour Saves allowed.
>Grav Weapons are killing the game.

>>51126712
>Blowing Chaos Daemons out of the water
Was he a Slaaneshi degenerate, or just retarded?

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>>51127216

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Making a squad of 10 Custodes for a 40k Deathstar. Just finished up my golds.

Nothing else, just wanted to share.

>>51125784
Sorcerer with ML3, MOT, AoDG, and TDA costs 165.
Factor in +25pts for ML4 and he'd be 190.
The remaining 40pts is to factor in Arhiman's bonus stats / artifacts (Black Staff vs Force Staff)

So in a kill team it's possible to just have 3 ripper swarms and a haruspex.

Best idea or best idea?

>>51126983
I feel it's a bit busy.
>Mostly because I am NOT looking forward to painting one

>Ducan pls halp.

>>51127508
most of the guard formations are just too huge for a normalsized game though

>>51125964
Fearless bubble and can use each other's warlords traits

>>51127586
I wouldn't say that. Steel Host, Emperor's Fist, Emperor's Shield Platoon, Emperor's Wrath and Emperor's Talon are all easy to take most of the time and they are all nicely effective rather than being overpowered or must haves.

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>>51126614
>combined arms detachment

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>>51127495
>My heralds face when my Screamerstar rolls with the Loci of Trickery

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>>51126978
It's basically the avatar of the Aquila. They should have put more commissars on the base.

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So, regarding IG tank commanders.

Under what circumstances would you give the TC a tank that used blast templates? It feels like a misuse of his abilities.

>Either ordnance weapons or Executioner cannon
>either can't use mighty BS4 on sponsons or starts glancing himself to death by turn 2
>BS4 is diminished on blast weapons anyway

I ask because I'm planning on picking up a Forge World Russ for my dedicated TC model and I'm wondering what guns I should magnetize him to use, besides the Vanquisher, Exterminator and Punisher.

Eradicator a shit.

>>51127524
Gravspamming has also made low sv armies better since they do almost fuck-all against them.

>>51127739
I know. I'm a Daemon player. It's great.

>>51127714
executioner isn't ordnance, give it plasma sponsons point it at teq or meq(with no other targets) and laugh, fire the main 3 shots first.

>>51127714
I agree, it's a misuse. Vanquisher I don't think is worth it on a Tank Commander that much either. I think it's better to take them in the Emperor's Fist formation as units to benefit from the BS4 bubble. Overall the Vanquisher is overpriced, especially if you take Multi-melta sponsons and Lascannon hull. If it was Heavy 2, it would be worth it. Or maybe if it was 110 points.

I think it's Punisher Pask, or Exterminator for regular Tank Commander. Anything else is a waste to me. Pask in the Executioner is mildly interesting though. The large blast can be neat, but not that great still.

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>mfw I Inquisition

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>>51127697

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>>51127739
Except Nids. No changes to the meta seem to help them.

>>51127874
What's so bad about Nids?

>>51127308
>>51127379
Let me rephrase that. How would you write genestealer cults sympathetically? And in good taste?

I ask this because some poorly written black library novel portrayed genestealers as literal rapists who impregnated some chick with a hive tyrant.

I want to get very far away from stuffing women in refrigerators. The tyranids already intend to eat the biosphere. They don't need misogyny.

Something like that one short story in one of the anthologies where the main character was a hideous hybrid is a good start.

>>51127891
Better question is what is good about Nids.

Flying circus and that's basically it.

>>51127874
i really dont know what that is actually. i mean i know assaults dead but youd thank that one of the top armies most effective weapons being that it has to hit on 6's would make nids a bit better.

>>51127891
Lack of mobility, lack of 2+ saves, lack of Invulnerable saves, lack of ability to get units into close combat, Synapse being more of a curse than a blessing, slow moving easy to kill big targets, no EW for Synapse creatures, weak shooting.

They are fun to play against Orkz and Guard though. All 3 of us are in the garbage bin.

>>51127894
>muh misogyny!
Top kek.

>>51127914
Except Bolters still chew through the bugs that it'd help and large blasts still exist.

Basically there hasn't been any changes that actually benefit Nids.

>>51127918
The awkward moment when SoB are better by negligence.

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>>51127894
Bravo...

>>51127924
It's okay, it's a feminine xenos schlong since there seem to only be female or asexual Nids.

>>51127894
Oh so you want to bring SJW into tabletop and remove the grimdark atmosphere of the universe (especially from some xenos that have nothing in mind other than instincts, hive minds and a desire to kill and dominate the universe with their sheer numbers and ferocity).

That's like asking a tiger not to kill a deer when the tiger clearly didn't eat in weeks using morality and deer rights.

What?

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>tfw you are cleaning up and helping remove every 40k thread on /v/ so the subhumans won't find /tg/

>>51127954
What do you mean by negligence? Like people not knowing what SoB can do is what makes SoB strong?

Just had a peek into FoC. Fro. Guard player perspective:

1. There is massive cad-like for combined armies of imperium. Literally sigmar. On 5+ troops after death go back into ongoing. (!!!) Also hatred and zealot if you max any slot (troop/fast etc). 4 troops and 1 hq needed. Not sure if you can now use drop pods for guard etc.

2. Bellisarius can give aura of 3 dice fnp, +1-3bs or 4-6++ save in 12' for all allied vehicles. Good for ig. 200pts only.

You know this already ?

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>>51127963
>>51127894
>>51127962
>>51127924
Well picture related is a thing.

There is a market for alien rape and/or impregnation

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>>51127894

Isn't it a little too early, or late, for this bullshit?

>>51127987
You are doing the Emperors works anon.

Kill the mutant, burn the heretic, purge the unclean.

>>51128006
>Slimy and disgusting

I love it. Looks great.

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Hah

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>>51127894
It's bait but I'll bite.

Cultists undercover act like upstanding model citizens, and they fight for a cause they honestly believe is good.

They're basically space terrorists. You can put a good guys spin on them if you want, but it doesn't change what they are. The kidnapping and implied rape are a part of the faction.
>muh misogyny!
Leave

>impregnated some chick with a hive tyrant.
What the fuck have you been reading? Not BL, that's for sure.

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>>51127984
Don't do it anon.

>>51128039
probably been reading fanfiction that i may or may not want to read.

Are there any bat rep videos where maybe a smaller army is being singed by a bigger army but maybe they are using some fortress which is x amount of points to even things out? Seems like there are no purge the alien scenarios like that out there from what I have seen

>>51128006
I watched a bunch of girls review that thing. It's weird. Girls are weird. Girls and their alien baby feitsh. I'm surprised more don't just have an army of Tervigons and Gaunts.

>>51127555
Slaanesh daemons are great vs tau, super fast and slots of psychic leadership fuckery they have no defense against.

>>51127918
>Guard
>In the garbage bin
I disagree. I won't say we're top tier, we can't into melee and have more than our fair share of garbage units, but we can fight if we need to.

>>51128006
Rape fetishes are most common among women so...

Celestine video is out. Dakka took notes:
>Ardent Blade has "Armourbane" now(2D6 for AP rolls, add the results together).
>Her Saintly Blessings affect all Imperial faction units, not just Sororitas. One of them can grant It Will Not Die to Lords of War.

>>51127555
I fought daemons of khorne. They were all melee excepthe a cannon and the dude was fielding bel a Kor or whatever his name was

>>51128065
From my personal experience I would agree with you. I feel like I do pretty well with Guard regardless of army. However, every bat rep and tournament report I see, Guard are always losing. I can't remember the last time I saw a Guard player win outside of myself and people here and there saying "Nuh uh, I win a lot!" I just don't know what to believe anymore.

>>51127894
>MUH HORRIBLE SPACE ALIEN RACE THAT EATS PLANETS WHOLE AND KILLS UNTOLD LIVES SHOULDNT RAPE PEOPLE

Can you die please. You are like those faggots who hate Fimir because they rape women. Monsters aren't meant to be friendly, they are fucking monsters

>>51128003
They only have 3 weapons Bolter, Flamer and Meltas.

Every 5 model squad can spam at least 3 of those special weapons. In case of Dominion 4 meltaguns and combi melta that can ignore cover once per battle.

Their transport are basically 60 points TL-MM/HF.

So against most armies in the game beside MC or GC SoB have a relative easy time. By the sheer amount of S8 AP1 shit they can bring to the table.

Since GW just copy pasted SoB rules over and over again. They got decent by sheer negligence of the army. When GW touch an army they don't like they end like Nids or Ork. Copy pasted rules have saved SoB from that shit.

>>51126816
Always rumembah ta thin ya paints 'n get a nice, fine tip on ya brush!

>>51128004
Anything else you want to know ? Got FoC but can't take photos. There is not much but this imperial cad is huge change

>>51126696
Who is this Titarii?

>>51128003
They didn't get any updates so they were never at risk of being Curddence'd

>>51125315

My Dudes(tm) have a mix of 2nd ed monopose dudes combined with Black Reach monoposes and a few regular tac squads. Fluff mode activate: They are from a frozen world where a deployment went horribly wrong, having to make excavations and expeditions to wake warriors from their suspended animation. Of course, having landed on the planet on different eras means all sorts of shenanigans mode-wise to do combat against a common foe. Get a box of new dudes? "THE EMPEROR HAS GUIDED US TO OUR LONG LOST BATTLE BROTHERS! / THE STAKES ARE HIGH, CREATE A NEW GENERATION OF BATTLE BROTHERS!"

>>51128125
Cruddace wrote their rather lack luster rules pdate for the WD Dex. Ward on the other hand added in some decent fluff.

>>51128053
I might need sources for those review videos.

>>51127987
Seems like you missed one >>51127894 , Inquisitor.

>>51126816
Always rumembah ta thin ya paints 'n get a nice, fine tip on ya brush!

Also, how would you recommend painting Night lords?

>>51128085
Link?

>>51128105
>>51128125
Yeah I can agree with that. It's a similar reason why the Militarum Tempestus are about on par with SoB. They don't have a lot, but what they do have can be repeated heavily and in every squad.

>>51128119
Can you give us the complete profiles for cawl, celestine, and the inquisitor, as well as a complete run down of all the formations?

>>51128085
From B&C:

>Can still get back when slain still.
>Can use "The Emperor's Will" to summon a beam of holy light that lances down from the heavens and incinerates a whole squad.
>She wasn't in the Agents book because of the new model. She returns now with her Gemini who are also integral to the story (won't ruin that bit yet!)
>She can revive the Gemini in battle
Ardent Blade has Armourbane now
"Saintly Blessings" affect armies of the Imperium - pick a battlefield role (HQ, Troops etc) and these buff one of them. Examples were HQ: "Fight with renewed vigor." and LoW: Gain IWND for the rest of the battle.

>>51128119
What is mechanicus grand convocation?

>>51128146
WillowDawn if I recall correctly. Also has a Cow outfit video.

Women are strange and well men too. People in general are rather strange in private

>>51128065
Guard have weak units or rely on vehicles (which are shit in todays meta) but have a shitload of cheese to make up for it.

You can lose a whole leman russ squadron to haywire or D only to blow up some fast skimmer with ignores cover lascannons and 40 rending lasgun shots.

>>51128153
GW Facebook apparently. I'm on my phone so no vid for me yet.

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>>51127476
>play orks green tide in a tournament
>Grav spamming droppod space marines is my opponent
>Steamroll him

>>51128156
I am on phone - I think biggest game changer is imperial combined deatachment with troops going back. I will try to check

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>mfw im mid way through batch painting and i run out of my base paint
Why do i do this to myself /tg/?

>>51128119
How do Grand Crusades work?

>>51128166
Cad for skiitari and admech. I can check bonuses later

>>51128182
Will accept potato phone pictures

>>51128170
>40 rending lasgun shots
what

>>51128186
Can't you just buy more and continue painting?

>>51128216
closest geedubs is 2 towns over and shipping takes like 5 days

>>51128195
>>51128166
It gives fnp and machine spirits for vechickes. Also if you max slots - chants

>>51128089
>Tournaments
There's your problem. 7th edition, with its allies and formations and special detachments, has stratified casual and tourney play to the point where the viability of armies is completely different between them.

Armies that are viable in casual play aren't viable in tourney play because they get stomped. Armies that are viable in tourney play aren't viable in casual play because they're so effective they're not fun to play against, and no one will play against you. Ask any Eldar player how many games he's had against someone who isn't also Eldar or some similar power army recently.

Guard are on the upper end of the casual bracket, I'd say. An army that's just functional enough to be taken seriously in tourneys (though not straight-up strong enough to win them).

This earns them the unenviable position of being the butt of most tournament batreps.

I for one don't play tourneys at all. I play to have fun, not to win.

>>51128204
2017? Potatoe phone? The fuck by 2005 we had decent phone camera. At 2009 phones that could take decent text pictures on the fly was not hard to find.

People just need to stop fapping while taking pictures. For fuck sake people take pictures of entire exams, send them. Then read the anwsers without anyone noticing.

Blurry images are either intentional or people have 2005 phone for some reason.

>>51128089
Guard is an army that can vary from total crap to complete pubstomping depending on how much you're optimizing your army.

It still doesn't win tournaments, but that's mostly because the best lists have fatal weaknesses to some common tournament lists.

>>51128204
I can't do it , it's not about phone. It is store just to peak.

>>51128206
>Cast Prescience on Guardsmen Blob
>Cast Misfortune on Victim
>Order FRFSF
>2-3 Rending Lasgun shots per Guardsman

>>51128257
Okay, so can you give a quick overview then of what the formations do, what the characters do, and what the detachments do?
when you say "combined detachment" do you mean that instead of the usual "units may only be from one faction" its "units may be from any army of the imperium faciton"? what are the specifics on the combined detachments?

>>51128280
>2 WC2 powers in a row
You're not gonna pull that off every turn, anon. Not without a looot of psykers. Don't base strategies on it.

>>51119836
>still no new memes