Warhammer 40,000 general

>>51081252
Oh yeah, forgot about that. That was at the end of a pretty damn good war sequence, though. It's the same with the Heresy black books, they largely show the battles in detail, and when they refer to characters it's normally for a different perspective.
A few properly done maps, descriptions of skirmishes, in-character accounts and analysis of the forces involved would really help stuff like this. Have one of the Legio Vulcanum princeps, then a Guardsman on the ground dealing with daemons, stuff like that.

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So do we have rules leak for FoC?

Anyone wants badly painted BT from ages ago?

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>>51081348
>Cadia no more edition

Yeah RIP

>>51081409
There isn't any BT only detachment rules on the book

consolidate your generals please
>>51081281

>>51081409
Is that a lego katana as power weapon?

How many reeeees will I get if I use thallaxii as space marines in my iron hands army?

>>51081348
>>51081421

Rest in peace, you glorious bastards, you deserved better. My Skitarii look forward to the day we'll get a proper fight together.

>>51081453
I'd be fine with it. What do you want them to be, terminators? I was considering using myThallax as proxy Breachers in a Holy Requisitioner until IA14 comes out with proper rules for them.

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>>51081453

>>51081453
I'm pretty sure they're too big to be regular tacticals.

Use them as Termies or Cents maybe.

>>51081453
>>51081521

They're on Terminator bases, it would be a cool proxy IMO.

>>51081453
Better yet - take an Allied detachment of Mechanicum alongside your Iron Hands and run them as actual Thallaxii

>>51081437
>forgets to link thread
>using non general image
>gets buttmad when someone else do the thread right
What a fag

>>51081348
>GSC returned to shadows again in OP pic edition

>>51081563
Yep complete retard.

>>51081443
Yes, it fits just right into a Bolter holding hand.

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>>51081348
>Cadia no more edition
>mfw
Cadian shock troops are going to get renamed as Astra millitarum shock troops aren't they?

>>51081626
Cadian 8th and not only.

>>51081626
Oh don't be such pussies. Dark Angels haven't had a proper homeworld for ten millenia and they haven't renamed themselves 'Rockhuggers.'

>>51081681
They weren't called Calibanites before though.

So "anonymus DE guy" is Harlequin?

Why the fuck are we having two generals?

>>51081563
>forgets to check catalog
>believes generals should have a specific image
>blames others for being lazy

>>51081453

I've always hated Mechanicus but loved their 30k models and now you make me want to include some of those in my 40k marine army too.

It's just too bad I play a fleet chapter so there's no way to include them as fluffy constructs or Mechanicus allies. I'm sure we'll get rules for them in 40k though with the new IA.

>>51081563
>Previous Thread is linked
>General image changes more than a whore's knickers

What's the problem?

>>51081702
T.B.H I did check and there wasn't any when I was making mine but I didn't had a general image and had to look for it, in that brief time you did yours.

>>51081409
MWG does

>>51081715
The Ordo Reductor, aka the Mechanicus/Mechanicum siege masters and the people who actually make Thallaxii, are entirely fleet based. Have one of their ships be tagging along or something.

Also, why do you hate the Mechanicus? We just want toys. *Sad beep*

>>51081759
>people actually search for the image and don't use the search function
kys phoneposter

>>51081717
This thread was linked before, the other op probably forgot to link his thread and we have this problem as a result.

>>51081784

I don't know why, I just compulsively hate the engineer type classes in video games. I also hate casters and can barely tolerate physical ranged like archers.

My fetish is melee and physical ranged that use firearms only. Mechanicus are like the ultimate engineer faction so that's why I don't like them.

So if you wanted to make Ork Heavy Support and Elites less crowded, what might you shuffle around to other slots to achieve this?

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>>51081759
Other OP here, fuck it, dude. We just got two generals for a choose your own previous, next time.
Shit happens.

>>51081815
Captcha was being a shit

>>51081826
Thats...pretty autistic bruv

>>51081717
I can't delete the thread anymore, sorry

>>51081700
Doubtful. Sylandri is a Shadowseer, not an Incubus or Archon.

>>51081826
Well, fair enough. Admech on the tabletop is pretty much solely firearms and melee combat, since the only model with a repair is the HQ and he just uses it to fix himself as a 2+ IWND, really.

two new chaos plastic characters are Fabius Bilis & Huron Blackheart

>>51081941
Well, they CAN now take Enginseers without any trouble as well, so there is that.

>>51081955
Sauce?
Btw Fabius ok his miniature is from 2nd ed. But Huron? He is from 4th edition. Fucking Abaddon should get new min.

>>51081967
And him, although I've mostly seen him used to pad out Canticles. I can't really use that since my shop plays a lot of Kill Point games, so it would be handing out free wins, but I can see it working.

>>51081988
Abby is getting Sindri'd by Huron.

>>51081988
abaddon get new model more later... a big model not demon price size but... big abaddon.

>>51081999
He's not really got any other use than to add cheap Canticle points anyway, since CultMec has literally no vehicles, Skitarii only have 2/3 (depending on how you count Striders) and then there's Knights, which always are only used as part of a WarConvo anyway.

>>51081549
>gorgon terminators, you should be ashamed anon

>>51082040
Rly WTF? He is a lord in terminator armour not primarch. Did he get fat, or filled with nurgle's love?

>>51081842
Well one idea is that different Klans you play move a different unit to Troops.
Deffskulls get Lootas.
Bad Moons get Flash Gitz.
Blood Axes get Kommandos.
Evils Suns get Bikers.
Goffs get Nobs.
Snakebites get... Ugh... Hmm...

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>>51082071
Abaddon is supposed to be bigger than normal marines, not Primarch sized but bigger than the rest.

>>51082071
I hope GW gives him a non indomitus terminator armour.

>>51081988
next models are Fabius bilis & huron and laterlucius & Typhus, Abaddon will have new model but more later and not is big, something smaller than a primarch from FW, The gods of chaos will be good to him.

>>51081955
>>51082197
Source of this news?

>>51081988
Failbadon isn't making it out of the 13th black crusade alive. He's considered a joke by the playerbase, his fluff is horribly written and FoC only makes him look like a retard. GW has hated the armless the harmless type memes for years, and despite trying their damnest they can't fix abby. It makes no sense for them not to release a model for him with FoC or sometime in the very near future unless they don't plan on keeping him around for long.

>>51082197
>lucius
Fuck that guy, fabius is enough for EC, let's get him killed now.

>>51082219
Sometimes can not say the sources or do not want to be known where it comes from ;)

>>51082244
Fabius is not EC. He is undivided and if i correct Fulgrim put bounty on his head, also you can't use him in EC detachment.
Lucius is now only EC character.

>>51081855

I realize that, which is why I said it's a compulsion. I think it's weirder for a gamer to not have any preference whatsoever for the classes he plays, but the best pro players seem to be those kind of people who can play anything and be good at it.

>>51082249
This is fair enough.

>>51082277
He is EC though, just not slaaneshi.

>>51082319
He was EC, now he is running across the eye offering his services. Last time I remember he was working for Crimson Slaughter.
No longer part of 3rd legion.

>>51082146
Anyone else think Abaddon is the most boring vanilla bad guy to be the neo-horus? He has no defining characteristics except "evil and strong"

Kor Phaeron would be far better

>The Legion of the Damned, ... well lets say, they are not "trapped in the warp" afaik. I even heard there are whispers that one of them is a giant with silver arms, but that wasn't confirmed by any inquisitorial agents yet ...

t. Atia

>>51082442
Nothing new that LoD is souls of killed Marines.

Do you think Inquisitor Greyfax will be getting some kind of formation to field her along with something like an Inquisitor warband?
I ordered the model today because it's silly but I don't want it to just be standalone

>>51082442
aaah.... the legion of the damned i miss those days that were an army

>>51081701

Two potentialities have diverged into the same plane; what should be two different branching dimensions are now occurring simultaneously. On the plus side, now you can have sex with yourself from another thread. Or possibly kill the other and still have one left for a paradox-free murder. But should the threads merge again you'd likely exist in the same quantum state.

So if at all possible, do exactly what your alternate self in the other thread would do exactly with no deviations and you should be just peachy, and when the threads recombine you might not end up a freakish amalgamation of the limbs and body parts from both of yourselves because you were in different positions in relation to the other.

>>51081701
>>51082531
017.M3 Nova Thread Interregnum
Age of twin Warhammer 40,000 generals

>>51081701
When one turn to cancer you have a backup.

It worked, we had two generals before this too, one remained cancer free for 5 hours.

>>51082514
codex is still legal.

>>51082586
Army just loses automatically.

>>51082514
You have their detachment in Imperial Agents

>>51081409
Miniwargaming is offering to buy any black templars right now.

>>51082648
I know already sent them a mail.

If only they preserve the memory of the Rat flail marine and the marine with a Dread Sarcophagus as a shield.

In memory of a friend that played skaven and in memory of some models that got stolen from my car, the only thing that survived was the dread face for some odd fucking reason

>>51081516
>>51081521
I was kinda afraid of that, but I thought people were usually ok so long as the model being subbed is larger than the actual model.

>>51081553
No actual 40k rules yet.

Plus I'll need an hq, which is gonna be a points sink for a 300+ point detachment.

If anmyone needs any 40k scenery without the geedubs tax, I just found

http://pegasushobbies.net/catalog/advanced_search_result.php?keywords=gothic&osCsid=qhd52oujat8pii9qf4nevbcrf7&search.x=0&search.y=0

I'ts pretty much the same as the 40k cities stuff and half the fucking price. Dank as fuck, about to play some cities of death, fuck yeah.

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>>51081348
>Cadia
>no more

>>51082442
>Undead Ferrus who instead of a head has a flaming skull

Metal as fuck/10, make it happen geedubya.

>>51082610
You could always have a small detachment of whatever, fluff it up as the legion coming down and saving their asses.

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>>51082514
>>51082586
>>51082610

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What are some of the best novels about CSM?

>>51084571
>that filename
I'm still surprised how little people know about history

>>51082442
>Atia
Fuck yeah

>>51084679
Assuming you mean 40k era the Night Lords Trilogy is one of the better ones. The Night Lords are still human enough to make good protagonists.

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Trying something a little different. All deep strike. Feedback requested.

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>>51084382

>tfw he punches Daemon Fulgrim's head off

>>51084679
Storm of Iron is awesome.

>>51081348
I have a question about drones in tau units.

If I have the drones in front of my suits, they take the wounds first, correct? Do they need to be infront of my commander as well for look out sirs? Or just in base contact?

>>51084382
>>51084770
>mfw my primarch is an undead ghost-rider motherfucker who is the emperor's rage incarnate.

>>51084847
And my primarch is alive and he love us :P.

>>51084847
Make him fight Doomrider.

>>51084817
Wounds are taken from closest to the firer, yes. Look out sir is just to the closet model within 6".

>>51084888
Oh ok, thanks.

That makes sense.

So a guy is willing to sell me an Onager Dunecrawler for about 25 bucks, is this a good deal? That's like half off, but am I going to run more than one Dunecrawler at a time? As far as I've heard I should pretty much always take a Dominus Maniple in sub 1500pts, and after that they're kinda expensive to take multiples of, right?

>>51084047

I love you anon, these are awesome!

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>>51081348
>Cadia no more

Does this mean we can finally get some guard models with decent designs that actually look like they belong in the setting

>>51085024
That's not a 5+ save anon.

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>>51085032

And this is a 6+ save.

>>51084941
It's a good deal, anon.

>>51082531
underrated post

>>51085063
Orks oughta get a 6+ Feel no pain or something, but yeah they're kinda just wearing clothes bro. Randomly strapped bits of rusted metal isn't really gonna protect you from much.

>>51085128
it's gonna every now and again protect your vitals from a stray bullet, hence 6+

>>51085084
But will I ever use the damn thing, is what I'm asking. I guess in a Convocation I'm gonna take three right?

>>51085146
Remember that armor values in-game represent what keeps you fighting, not just alive.

Flak armor is actually much better than modern armor because you could be hit by an AK-47 and not only survive, but keep going 1/3 of the time.

And while marines all only have 3+ saves, that doesn't mean everybody dies if they fail it. Part of the advantage of marines is that they survive grievous injuries and gain experience.

So the fact that random bits of metal strapped to Orks keeps them fighting is a miracle.

Can we already tell if BTs will be the main Space Marine force throughout the following Gathering Storm books or was this their only chance of getting new shit?

>>51085146
If a full suit of encasing powered armor made out of the same material as tanks only gives you 3+, a bunch of random scrap stapled to a t-shirt shouldn't warrant a 6+

>>51085160
They're good. You will use it.

>>51085165
>that doesn't mean everybody dies if they fail it
>W 1

Unfortunately, it does.

>>51085178
It's better than nothing, is what I figured the idea behind it was. Though really they oughta all have Feel No Pain, and it gets better the bigger the Ork is. There's a lot of fluff about Orks surviving lethal wounds just because they refuse to die.

>>51085174
This was the only chance of getting new shit.

The Grand Crusade formations do sound fun so Im kind of optimistic about those

>>51085160
Yes you'll use it. Lists afaik before War Convo run a Dominus and a Skitarii Maniple, and running more Onagers makes them all better by buffing their Invulnerable.

>>51085182
I see death as 'removed from battle' not quite 'killed outright'. Especially in a Marine's sake, since they're so heavily protected they're more or less internally immobilized somehow.

Or if you're a Dark Angel, you're being a coward and faking death.

>>51085196
1 wound doesn't mean anything for their death. 1 wound means they can only get seriously injured once before they are incapacitated. Now, for a Guardsman that probably means they die, but less so for a Marine.

>>51085160
They're good as part of the Dominus Maniple for small games and also good when stacked as their separate unit, since 3 get a 4++ save. Icarus Arrays are also devastating for fliers while the Neutron Laser can destroy tightly packed blobs.

>>51084382
headless horseman Ferrus pls

>>51085196

Well, failing an armor save isn't death, failing the to-wound after it is.

>>51085024
Solar Auxilia? No chance. I could see Plastic Vostroyans, but my completely uninformed money is on Hybrid Steel Legion/Valhallan greatcoat guard kits.

>>51085165
>So the fact that random bits of metal strapped to Orks keeps them fighting is a miracle.

Well there's also that whole thing about ork's keen-ness for a scrap projects a psychic field which makes all their stupid thrown together planes work, wouldn't honestly be surprised if there's a similar deal here

>>51085178
>If a full suit of encasing powered armor made out of the same material as tanks only gives you 3+, a bunch of random scrap stapled to a t-shirt shouldn't warrant a 6+
First off, might not be a linear progression, second, the rules have a lot of abstractions to make a playable game. By any rights any regular with a non-powered melee weapon shouldn't even be able to fucking hurt a space marine in close combat, it'd be like trying to bring down a parking lot with a sword.

Will Necrons get love in Fall of Cadia? I know Trazyn is mentioned, and luckily his paint scheme is my army.

Also is he a part of the Nihilakh dynasty? Or just some random?

>>51085218
Oh, wait, doesn't the rule say that as long as they're nearby they get the improved save? Or is it only in the squad? If the former, that's pretty good.

>>51085224
Yeah I really like them, because they have a tool for anything, really. And while expensive, the Cognis Manipulator actually looks useful, especially on a lone Dunecrawler. Plus the model is fucking awesome.

Also, is the Icarus Array Dunecrawler the best 'all purpose' weapon for them? Since by sheer volume of fire it'll probably take out more than the others? In theory?

>>51085196
Ever wonder why it's called a wound and not a life.

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>>51085228

That would be pretty fucking awesome. Headless Horseman Ferrus on a cybersteed in a sickass pose.

Unfortunately he's probably just going to get a full body and cybernetic parts, probably. Unless they make the whole of him living metal somehow.

Actually, that might be pretty neat. Have ALL the Primarchs come back weird, and give the space marines some badass freaks.

What should I get for my Iron Hands army? I got $85 USD Im willing to spend. Tempted to get the Dark Angels box for the cheap Rhino and Tactical squad, but also want to get some vehicles. What do?

>>51085258
I sure hope so given the fluff around the pylons

>>51085024
>SA
>look like they belong in the setting

Yeah, sure.

>>51085286
>retro spacemen with martian ray guns that go CHOOM
>don't belong in the mish-mash absurdist sci-fi setting with everything from Master Chief to Rambo

They belong more than vanilla Cadians.

>>51085259
If you can pretty much know for certain that there'll be some kind of flier, the Icarus Array is hands-down your best option (and also only AA option). With all the dakka strapped onto it, you'll probably land a hit every now and then even against ground forces as well. If you don't expect any fliers, don't need a shitload of AA or just want to save points, take the Neutron Laser instead. A S10 AP1 Blast kills just about everything it hits that can't take several wounds. Phosphor Blasters are usually always terrible and tend to be worse than the basic Eradication Ray even, since it's merely twin-linked and not at least a dual-Blaster.

I really like the Manipulator and pick it whenever I can spare the points or plan on sending my Crawler in possible melee range. Helps a lot if you end up brawling against another Walker or even some big fucker like Lysander (provided he doesn't outright kill the Crawler in one round) or something along those lines.

>>51085259
Unfortunately, the rules states "squadmate", so it can't just be any walker but must be part of the unit, AFAIK.

>>51085024
>implying you can't use those forgeworld models for 40k guard
>Implying current Imperial Guard isn't iconic
You are a shitlord, trying to push your own preferences when what you want is already available.

>>51085325
For my Sub 1500 list I plan on bringing in an Elimination Maniple (for the grav cannons and badass robots), A Dominus Maniple (for plasma cavalier rerolls), a mash of Skitarii (cheap vanguards) and maybe Ironstrider Cavalries. After that I feel like if I'm not doing War Convo, I'm shooting myself in the foot.

Suppose a squad of Dunecrawlers with Neutron Lasers actually fit the 'anti-tank' bill too, and probably are a ton more survivable with a 4+ cover save, huh?

>>51085376
At 1500 points, I'd definitely give one Crawler an Icarus Array, just for safety measures (unless it's games with people you know won't bring fliers).

And yes, the 4+ INVULN save really helps a lot with things. Dunecrawlers are decently beefy for their cost, but that thing is a huge help either way.

>>51085417
Invuln! Right. Forgot that part. Yeah, this is the first army I'm actually going 'man, everything in this codex has a use, looks badass and actually seems useful!'

Makes building lists rather annoying though. Especially since pretty much all of their upgrades are expensive. Ah well, I'm just now starting so I'll probably end up with several of each unit anyway just to try them out and paint them.

>>51085457
>all of their upgrades are expensive
Not with a certain formation, they aren't ;^)

Though yes, most AdMec units have some use, it's really nifty. Just kind of annoying that GW also realized that and thus makes every Formation they get a huge 1800+ "Just take everything and give us cash" deal.

Except for Electro-Priests. Those will maybe ever only be of use when AdMec gets drop pod equivalents and even then they're "meh" at best, yet they are always shoved into our faces.

>>51085492
I mean, I'm grateful for the formation, don't get me wrong. I'd probably end up with all those units either way, you know? It just basically makes the list for me, and forces me to learn to use it. Kinda backwards.

I do hate that it's sort of...necessary? Like, beyond 1500pts or so everyone else is spamming high powered netlists and meta-monsters or whatever, but the only way we can compete is with what feels like a handicap, almost. Though a lot of the upgrades aren't exactly anything beyond 'more guns' or 'more relics'. Just feels a bit annoying.

I mused the idea of adding a squad of priests into my army somehow because I sorta like the models and they SEEM decent in combat through sheer weight of attacks, but
-5 in a box
-same price as Vanguard
-expensive point wise
-footsloggers
I don't know what GW was thinking.

So, uh, I just noticed that thanks to the new WB Warlord Traits, you can have a ML4 Psyker as your Warlord, or a ML1 Khornate Psyker.

An ML1 Khornate Psyker.

>>51085570
Hey i can finally run Sindri and Kyras on the TT
Neat

>>51085570
So his latent psychic powers matured after he got marked and he's gotta figure out how to keep from getting nommed by Flesh Hounds (He won't).

You can get a Defiler Psyker too, just take a Helforged Warpack, name him the Alpha, and roll the dice. Make him look Khornate too, who gives a fuck?

>>51085570
>Khornate Psyker.
what is he gonna do, bash things with his head?

>>51085570
>not getting a ML1 defiler

>>51085623
What are the rules for a Hellforged Warpack?

>>51085661
Is this a new meme that I wasn't around for?

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>>51085547
I honestly hate and love the formation. If you use it, you are often tossed in with the WAAC crew yet if you don't use it you can usually go and suck a dick. GW should have just designed the AdMec formations differently from the beginning and made the books unified. All Skitarii and Cult formations are good in their own right but their compositions and rules just don't scale well at all into big games. Would be half as bad if it weren't for all big formations to need a ton of models from both books, with only 1 of the released ones even being decent and the 2 new ones looking way too expensive with bloated unit choices.

We can just hope that 8e and Imperial Armor breath some new life into 1850+ AdMec and not just keep it as "Codex: War Convocation".

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>>51085317
>space troopers with fatigues, helmet and laser gun don't belong in 40k

You don't belong in 40k.

>>51085675
What Admech needs is a real Decurion.

War Convo is like an abortion tier attempt at one. It pisses me off that GW rushed Admech out in this state and has let it rot for almost 2 years even though it's one of their top selling lines.

>>51085710
Have you tried using CAD?

>>51085722
Admech CAD is a bad joke.

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>>51085669

>>51085734
What's wrong with it?

>>51085695

God I would kill to get minis like that back.

Generic western soldier that is popular cadian guard range is boring as fuck.

>>51085767
Have you ever seen a real soldier?

>>51085736
If you didn't need to take the warpsmith I'd be so happy.

>>51085745
That you can only use Cult Mechanicus for it, need to tack on a Skitarii Maniple if you intend to use any of their things and will have Canticles for half your army at best.

Literally only benefit is having multi wound objective secured.

>>51085722
The problem is that Admech doesn't have anything high powered on its own. No formations or bigbad units really aside from Knights, which aren't technically in the codex. So to be competitive at all, they're nearly forced to use War Convocation, which while neat, is all but '2 turns of Shrouding and Stealth for the army and 760pts of free wargear: the formation'. But even without the free wargear it's still our 'best formation' for the army wide canticles alone.

>GW advertising a special formation with Celestine+Sisters+BT

Is this true? How is this supposed to work? BT go melee crazy with sisters offering close fire support? Four man death star with Celestine+bodyguards+Helbrecht?

>>51085799
At least Cohort Mechanicus gives army wide Imperatives and Canticles as well, though that one is just a giant messy hodgepodge of everything they can sell with virtually no synergy.

>>51085818
>implying Helbrecht
The formation will probably just be a fluff formation with barely any relevance. I'd be surprised if it even includes Crusader squads. Helbrecht definitely won't be in, since he's nowhere near Cadia.

>>51085767
So what's the difference? Ok, officers get a cuirass, but regular dudes have an armoured vest, fatigues, helmet and a lasgun. Just like Cadians.

Personally I want IG to go back to it's 2e form where the basic equipment is flak woven fatigues, helmet and a lasgun, and different worlds customize their gear accordingly. Like Tallarn got rags, Mordians got epaulets and caps, Preatorians got pith helmets and epaulets, etc. It'd make so much easier for GW to release different regiments, when they could just make SM style upgrade sprues with different heads, guns, shoulder pads, etc.

Imperial Guard is not Marines or Ecclesiarchy, they're shit. They got the cheapest, mass produced stuff with maybe an aquila pin as their bling. They're the smelly peons next to the knightly Marines and angelic Sisters. They don't need to be mini-Marines covered in bling.

>>51085828
Really if they'd just combine the books that may be enough to settle it a bit. Giving canticles and imperatives to all units, but maybe changing the rules for canticles so that it's not so easy to get the 3rd option unless you're at higher point levels. Maybe a sort of Magos Level in the vein of Psyker. A level 3 Dominus always casts level 3 Canticles? Food for thought I guess. I'm gonna play the army regardless.

>>51085868
delet this

Orks are better than tau

>>51085868
>they're shit. They got the cheapest, mass produced stuff with maybe an aquila pin as their bling. They're the smelly peons next to the knightly Marines and angelic Sisters
Fuck you, not mine.

>>51085904
>I2

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>>51085868
>Imperial Guard is not Marines or Ecclesiarchy, they're shit.

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>>51085570

>Khornate psyker

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>>51085247
I'd prefer literally anything to Cadians. Their design is so generic sci-fi that it hurts.

As a minor variant sure, but as the template for all Imperial Guard? It's just bland.

>>51085947
I imagine a normal rank and file basic Trooper somewhat of a mash between cadian, gsc, and lost/damned as far as style goes. Not as rigidly uniform but still an obvious 'standard' look. Then you add the upgrade sprues for say, greatcoats, or gasmasks, or desert gear.

Too bad Tempestus will always look cooler though.

What's a not-shit Iron Warriors list look like these days? I'm working on converting a daemon prince into the Doom Cyberdemon, and I'd like to know if it's something I can actually field- I have no idea what's viable these days, I haven't played since Rubric Marines had two wounds.

>>51085695

The top row would make amazing minis to accompany a resculpt of Solar Macharius, should the Horus Odyssey every get done and Forgeworld decided to toss a bone to the Imperial Guard. Run out of Heresy? Start fleshing in shit for the rest of 40k's history.

>>51085982
https://1d4chan.org/wiki/Warhammer_40,000/Tactics/Chaos_Space_Marines(7E)
https://1d4chan.org/wiki/Warhammer_40,000/Tactics/Chaos_Space_Marines(7E)#Iron_Warriors
Use the listbuilder in the OP, make a list and then come back to us

>>51081348
>be me imperial citizen
>get up, head to work
>work is on lower levels of hive city
>get mugged four times
>arrive at work 30 minutes late with no teeth or clothes
>see boss at entryway
>he tells me he will shoot me if im late again
>at this rate ill never get my Warhammer 401k
>sit down at cubicle
>coworker comes round
>"today's a good day to file for the emprah, innit?" he says
>resume work, simmering with rage
>lunchtime comes by, I have no food, and cant go out to eat beacuse I have no clothes or money
>stay in office hungry for the 4th time this week
>lunch ends, work for next 12 hours due to 34 hour day cycle
>day finally ends, get to go home
>detained by inquistors for nudity, explain I was mugged again just like the other 4 days
>they beat me anyway
>reach home, lay down in bed
>"thank you emprah"
>go to sleep
In the grim darkness of the 41st Millenium, there is only war

>>51085919
When we are red we go I3

>>51085916
Well, you're free to do (you)r dudes however you like, I did mine in a relatively high-tech drop troops style, but across the board IG has been grunts in trenches.

>>51085258
Trazyn is the phaeron of a dynasty, meaning he's the complete ruler of it, but I don't remember which. Solemnace is where he's from but I can't seem to find any info tying that or him to his dynasty.
I also mostly have Trazyn's scheme on my army. Good taste, anon.

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I maek post

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Okay /tg/, I have a tourney today at noon, and I have a few lists in mind. It's FLGS local, large Space Marine meta, usually between 6 and 10 players. This one is 1000 points played on a 4x4 table, ITC rules. I have a few different lists I have in mind, and I could REALLY use some help figuring out which one to use. Most of them aren't optimized, I'm aware, but we really don't get any local cheese-mongers. Here's what I got:

+ Formation (1000pts) +
········The Hounds of Abaddon (1000pts)

············Chaos Bikers [3x Chaos Biker, Icon of Wrath, Mark of Khorne, 2x Meltagun, Veterans of the Long War]
················Chaos Biker Champion [Bolt Pistol, Close Combat Weapon]

············Chaos Bikers [3x Chaos Biker, Icon of Wrath, Mark of Khorne, 2x Meltagun, Veterans of the Long War]
················Chaos Biker Champion [Bolt Pistol, Close Combat Weapon]

············Chaos Lord [Bolt Pistol, Gift of Mutation, Juggernaut of Khorne, Mark of Khorne, Power Armour, Power Fist, Sigil of corruption, The Skull of Ker'ngar, Veterans of the Long War, Warlord]

············Chaos Space Marines [4x Chaos Marine with Boltgun, Chaos Rhino, Mark of Khorne, Plasma Gun, Veterans of the Long War]
················Aspiring Champion [Bolt Pistol, Boltgun, Close Combat Weapon, Combi-plasma]

············Chaos Space Marines [4x Chaos Marine with Boltgun, Chaos Rhino, Mark of Khorne, Plasma Gun, Veterans of the Long War]
················Aspiring Champion [Bolt Pistol, Boltgun, Close Combat Weapon, Combi-plasma]

············Khorne Berzerkers [4x Berzerkers, Chaos Rhino, Icon of Wrath, Veterans of the Long War]
················Berzerker Champion [Bolt Pistol, Close Combat Weapon]

············Raptors [Mark of Khorne, 2x Meltagun, 4x Raptor, Veterans of the Long War]
················Raptor Champion [Bolt Pistol, Close Combat Weapon]

1/2

Hey I'm new, and have never played against tau, but I've seen some hate for them here. Why is that?

>>51086137
Need to shoop the 40k logo over the kids head

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>>51086143

++ CSM Black Crusade Detachment (Chaos Space Marines: Codex (2012) v2011) (998pts) ++
········Force Options (Supplement options here) [World Eaters]

+ Core (966pts) +

········Chaos Warband (966pts)
············Chaos Bikers [3x Chaos Biker, Mark of Khorne, 2x Meltagun, Veterans of the Long War]
················Chaos Biker Champion [Bolt Pistol, Close Combat Weapon, Melta Bombs]

············Chaos Bikers [3x Chaos Biker, Mark of Khorne, 2x Meltagun, Veterans of the Long War]
················Chaos Biker Champion [Bolt Pistol, Close Combat Weapon, Melta Bombs]

············Chaos Lord [Axe of Blind Fury, Bolt Pistol, Juggernaut of Khorne, Mark of Khorne, Power Armour, Sigil of corruption, Veterans of the Long War]

············Chaos Space Marines [4x Chaos Marine with Boltgun, Mark of Khorne, Plasma Gun, Veterans of the Long War]
················Aspiring Champion [Bolt Pistol, Boltgun, Close Combat Weapon, Combi-plasma]
················Chaos Rhino [Dozer Blades]

············Chaos Space Marines [4x Chaos Marine with Boltgun, Mark of Khorne, Plasma Gun, Veterans of the Long War]
················Aspiring Champion [Bolt Pistol, Boltgun, Close Combat Weapon, Combi-plasma]
················Chaos Rhino [Dozer Blades]

············Chaos Terminators [Mark of Khorne, Veterans of the Long War]
················Chaos Terminator [Combi-plasma, Powerfist]
················Chaos Terminator [Combi-plasma, Powerfist]
················Terminator Champion [Chainfist, Combi-plasma]

············Helbrute [Multi-melta, Power fist]

+ Auxiliary (32pts) +

········Spawn (32pts)
············Chaos Spawn [Mark of Khorne, Spawn]

2/? (Have more than two)

>>51085325
Spamming crawlers sounds like it could be fun. 9 12/12/10 tanks with 4++ would actually be mean.

>>51086160

They're an army, just like all of the others. They have some cheesy units, but so does everyone else (except Orks lol).

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>>51086169

++ CSM Night Lords Murder Talon (Chaos Space Marines: Codex (2012) v2011) (1000pts) ++

········Force Options (Supplement options here) [Night Lords]

+ Core (575pts) +

········Raptor Talon (575pts)
············Chaos Lord [Claws of the Black Hunt, Gift of Mutation, Jump Pack, Power Armour, Sigil of corruption, Veterans of the Long War]
············Raptors [2x Meltagun, 4x Raptor, Veterans of the Long War]
················Raptor Champion [Bolt Pistol, Close Combat Weapon]
············Warp Talons [Veterans of the Long War, 4x Warp Talon, Warp Talon Champion]
············Warp Talons [Veterans of the Long War, 4x Warp Talon, Warp Talon Champion]

+ Auxiliary (425pts) +

········The Lost and the Damned (425pts)
············Chaos Cultists [Cultist Champion, 14x Cultists]
············Chaos Cultists [Cultist Champion, 14x Cultists]
············Chaos Cultists [Cultist Champion, 14x Cultists]
············Chaos Cultists [Cultist Champion, 14x Cultists]
············Dark Apostle [Bolt Pistol, Gift of Mutation, Power Maul, Veterans of the Long War, Vox Daemonicus]

3/?

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>playing against grey knights at 1300
>no dreadknights, draigo or terms, double dreads
>t.herald on chariot lv3 impossible robe, casts on 3+ due to warlord trait (any power he managed to get off was denied and out of range turn 1)
>s.herald lv 2 on exalted, exalted gift, move through cover loci (managed to get off 1 power but perils and died)
>k.herald in blood throne, blade king, exalted loci, greater aetherblade (ran over a dreadnought then butchered a devastator squad)
>managed to get to 10-5
>got -1 to invuls and khornes wrath hurt me

this game was hilarious from all the mistakes i made and all the risks i was taking. not gonna take the t.herald on chariot again, i need anti tank but fuck this was a terrible idea. k.herald amazing as always, why don't i field them more? i need to try the gorethunder formation. i also need better spreadsheets to remember everything i have

>>51086160
weaboo gunshooting melee hating xenos

>>51086191
how do you deal with >>51086191
heavy armour with just two melta guns?

Cut that auxiliary and take the oblits formation instead.
Also warp talon are teh ghey, swap them for more raptors.

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++ Formation Detachment (Chaos Space Marines: Codex (2012) v2011) (510pts) ++

········Force Options (Supplement options here) [Black Legion]

+ Formation (510pts) +

········Cyclopia Cabal (510pts)

············Sorcerer [2x Additional Mastery Level, Aura of dark glory, Bike, Bolt Pistol, Force Stave, Power Armour, Spell familiar, Veterans of the Long War]

············Sorcerer [2x Additional Mastery Level, Aura of dark glory, Bike, Bolt Pistol, Force Sword, Power Armour, Spell familiar, Veterans of the Long War]

············Sorcerer [2x Additional Mastery Level, Aura of dark glory, Bolt Pistol, Disc of Tzeetch, Force Stave, Mark of Tzeentch, Melta bombs, Power Armour, Spell familiar, Veterans of the Long War]

++ Formation Detachment (Chaos Khorne Daemonkin v2001) (486pts) ++

+ Formation (486pts) +

········Gorepack (486pts)
············Chaos Bikers [3x Bikers, 2x Meltagun]
················Biker Champion [Bolt Pistol, Close Combat Weapon, Melta Bombs]

············Chaos Bikers [3x Bikers, 2x Meltagun]
················Biker Champion [Bolt Pistol, Close Combat Weapon, Melta Bombs]

············Flesh Hounds [5x Flesh Hounds]

············Flesh Hounds [5x Flesh Hounds]

············Flesh Hounds [5x Flesh Hounds]

4/?

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>>51086210
++ Formation Detachment (Chaos Khorne Daemonkin v2001) (1000pts) ++

+ Formation (1000pts) +

········Charnel Cohort (1000pts) [Skull Cannon]

············Bloodcrushers [3x Bloodcrushers, Upgrade one Bloodcrusher to Bloodhunter]

············Bloodletters [8x Bloodletters]

············Bloodletters [8x Bloodletters]

············Bloodletters [8x Bloodletters]

············Daemon Prince [Daemonic Flight, Goredrinker, Ichor Blood, Warp-forged armour]

············Flesh Hounds [5x Flesh Hounds]

············Flesh Hounds [5x Flesh Hounds]

············Flesh Hounds [5x Flesh Hounds]

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>>51086218
fuck wrong pic

>>51085024
The Velitas or whatever looks cool as fuck but I think the troopers look like that retarded tin man from the Wizard of Oz with a gun. Which like the stupid robot thing should've stayed dead in the 50s

>>51086233
das it mayne, quality meme

>>51086143
>>51086169
>>51086191
>>51086210
>>51086229

And that's all she wrote. I have a few other ones, but those are the ones I'm considering.

>>51086209
I sadly only own 4 Oblits and no Warpsmiths, though you bring up a good point and that one probably won't see play.

So is the cadian fall going to get some BL love?

I'd buy a novel about the glorious bastards fighting to the end

>>51086275
>Fall of Cadia
>Cadians

Top kek I love this meme.

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>>51086282
W-who fought then?
WHO THE FUCK WROTE THIS?

>>51086282
don't they defend cadia?

>>51084763
Loses top of turn one

So I'm seeing celebratory threads from sisterfags

did they finally get a dex? Models? Anything? Or is it just more hopeful autism?

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>>51086160
Because

>>51085353
>Iconic

Literally the most generic sci-fi soldier design imaginable.

>>51086353
>Literally what is generic and clearly recognizable.

>>51086353
That's the point though anon. They aren't supposed to be edgy and grimdark. Just dudes stuffed into flak vests, helmets and given a laser gun.

>>51086160
for a long while they were the most bullshit army in the entire game, they're also the up and comer sort of army, so they get a lot of new shit and a lot of love from GW because the weeb losers are really into them

they're just sort of a soup primed for the worst of the 40k community to indulge in, many have had bad experiences with tau fags, myself included

>>51086338
New model for Saint Celestine. Spotlight in the fluff.

>>51086353
>the army of trillions of infantry is supposed to look unique and interesting rather than practical and brutal.

>>51086353
>guaranteed replies
b8/10

>>51086364
Imperium is universally gothic inspired, except for the Cadians, which look like Halo marines because Halo was at the height of it's popularity when it came time to redesign the Imperial Guard.

>>51086396
weren;t halo marines based off the marines from aliens though?

fucking xenos

>>51086396
You expect them to make edgy pimpsuits for every fucking guardsmen?

No, they get a flak jacket and some fatigues.

>>51086385
>In universe logistical concerts excuse lazy design by sculptors

Nah. If 40k ran on that logic, IG tanks would be 'practical and brutal' too.

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ordered a few colossal squigs to run with my orks. My warboss is rich as fuck and buys only the meanest squigs from the snakebite boyz

going to get some mangler squigs too to run as the small version. Obviously not going to use the transport capacity on the little guys though because that would be dumb

Traitor Legions should have required everyone to purchase their VotLW but should have also granted greater benefits for everyone but Nurgle.

>>51086409

A guardsman's life is literally worth less than the weapon that is assigned to him.

They're lucky they get fatigues at all.

>>51086422
well this is bait

>>51086372
It's not just the mechanics. The lore for them basically paints them as the unambiguous best, smartest, fairest faction. there are a few suggestions that they may doing dodgy shit but even that is pretty benign.
The only real negative is that they're small, but since they're one of the most popular factions it pretty much guarantees that their size is never going to effect them.

>>51086435
warhammer is dumb and stupid and for loser nerds

>>51086409
The Imperium is easily capable of mass producing stuff that fits it's aesthetic. Flak vests could look like plate cuirass rather than just a hard version of modern body armor, their helmets could be more gothic inspired rather than just a modern combat helmet crossed with a bucket.

Lasrifles could look more like napoleonic muskets, or atompunk blasters, rather than Square Block Rifle Design #14264

>>51086432
That is plain fucking stupid lore though, feeding a man to adulthood costs far far more than a fucking lasgun and flak jacket.

>>51086396
I would be happy with a more vostroyan or steel legion look to them.

>>51086430
Wrong.

>>51086459
Cadians seem to prefer functionality over being a specul snowflake though

>>51086435
>The Leman Russ is a practical design

Who's baiting now?

>>51086428
Holy fuck that's the old Feral Orks codex from Chapter Approved!

That's from like 3rd edition anon. I admire your bravery, but you're fucked.

>>51086470
None of their shit looks functional, they just look like mutant teletubbies.

>>51085790
>>51085736
Take the daemon 3 soul grinder formation instead. No tax, just 3 av 13 walkers you can customize as you desire

>>51085695
Those ones you linked are way more in line with crazy 80's aesthetic than Cadians.

Cadians aren't really sci-fi at all, they look like army men more than dudes with sunglasses and Roman banners.

>>51086468

The Imperium doesn't pay to feed a man to adulthood, the planet he came from does.

>>51086487
The planet he came form also pays for his equipment.

>>51086486
cadians are stupid, I'm glad their gone

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>>51086458
NO YOU ARE

>>51086504
>their gone
>their
What of theirs is gone sorry?
>Their Cadia is gone

>>51086502

If you join the Air Force and they let you pilot a jet that costs thirty million dollars the Air Force is going to value that jet more than your life.

Also the Air Force didn't have to pay to feed you before you enlisted.

>>51086470
A design having a gothic feel too it doesn't preclude it being practical, or that it couldn't be mass produced.

Cadian uniforms aren't functional in a real world sense anyway, their helmets would block their hearing and they wouldn't be able to fire their rifles whilst laying down because of the low back, their body armour has pecs sculpted into it and doesn't cover enough of their torso to even fully protect their lungs, they have fucking armoured gaiters to protect their lower shins for some unknown reason but no protection for their femoral arteries.

>>51086517
What are they now , ians?

>>51086406
tyranids are inspired by aliens, marines are more off dune and starship troopers

>>51086517
English teacher detected.

>>51086406
Halo 1 Marines, yeah. Halo 2 (2004) changed it, they look almost exactly like Cadians actually except better and with guns instead of laser rifles.

>>51086406
Pretty much, which were based on 'Nam marines.

Ergo, it's a generic as fuck design.

>>51086522
It still costs more of the total amount of resources the imperium produces to make the man than it costs to make the weapons, throwing away something that takes that much resource and especially that much time would be retarded as fuck.

>>51086568
Idiot American detected.

>>51086604
yuropoor commie

>>51086582

Human life is literally worthless in 40K. There are trillions of people in the Imperium, a single guardsman's life is meaningless.

Administratum looks at guard in groups of thousands at a minimum.

>One of the questions we really wanted to know the
answer to was why Abaddon comes down to the surface
of Cadia to fight. Surely he could just obliterate the
whole planet with his doomsday device, the Planet Killer.
“It would make for a particularly dull book if Cadia was
just obliterated from orbit,” says Jes. “Besides, Abaddon’s goal isn’t to destroy Cadia. It’s such
an important symbol for the Imperium, like
Terra or Armageddon, that to destroy it would
be a real waste. How can you rub the enemy’s
face in their defeat if you destroy the whole
planet? On top of that, the Phalanx – the giant
fortress starship of the Imperial Fists – has
arrived in the Cadian system to try and
prevent that eventuality. Abaddon also revels
in the thrill of battle, and Cadia is the
culmination of ten millennia of careful
planning. Abaddon needs a fight!”

literally fucking what

Why would Abaddon give a fuck? Isn't he supposed to be pragmatic, trying to help humanity (in his twisted way, by becoming their overlord) and ultimately turn on the Chaos Gods? WHY WOULD HE CARE?!?

>>51086633
Because BL are hacks
I could do better

>>51086633

Because glassing Cadia might destroy the pylons, and since no one actually knows what they do outside of vague rumors it would be a good idea to keep them intact.

>>51086582
There isn't a shortage of recruits for the Guard though. There's a reason Commissars are permitted to execute them.

Are Assault Squads any good if you're doing Space Marines?

Are jump packs good or are they meme equipment?

>>51085790
I'd be cool if the Warpsmith and Dark Apostle could take Bikes but alas.

I wrote a joke list for doing Warlord Psyker Defiler, called Walking Cathedral. It's pretty silly for 1850.

>Lost and Damned Core, Apostle has Scripts of Erebus.
>2 Sorcerers of Nurgle, ML3 and Familiars on Palanquins. Extra wounds so tdgaf about Perils. One has a Malefic Tome.
>Warpack. Warpsmith has Combi-Melta so he can double-tap a target. Defiler is the Warlord. Take 2 Hades Forgefiends, one with Triple Ectoplasma.
>Allied Detachment, ML2 Herald w/ Paradox and Exalted Locus of Conjuration, w/ 11 Blue Horrors.

The result is hilarious. It's not a good list, but it's not a bad list either. You have 3 separate summoning vectors, lots of expendable screening, and "enough" firepower to keep pressure off you.

>>51086631
Why is it worthless? habitable planets are rare as fuck and the imperium has way too many enemies to just constantly piss away men for no reason.
Not to mention the cost of losing all those guys on industry.
Humans can't reproduce 1/10th of the speed or under the pressure that orks can. and orks are extremely common. not to mention tyranids. sending waves and waves of men to die is a desperation tactic, not the basis of a galaxy spanning empire. and in no way is it economical long term especially when you are literally engaged in constant warfare.

>>51086663
but abaddon knows exactly what they do and wants to blow them up, and they end up exploding anyways!

>>51086673
Currently bikes beats jetpacks anytime, any day. Assault marines are good with skyhammer annihilation force -formation and it is regarded really cheesy so don't except to make friends with it.

>>51086522

That's not exactly true. Given the training and time investment in pilot training, plus having the need for experienced pilots in the sky, especially in times of war, the pilot is actually a higher priority than the plane.

The most valuable thing in that machine is the meatbag in charge of operating it, because any single component of that aircraft can be
produced in far greater numbers than the guy operating it. Comparatively, you can build more aircraft than a whole academy class worth of pilots in training could trash in their whole piloting careers before they finish their training.

>>51086683
>habitable planets are rare as fuck

Citation needed.

In 40K, you virtually never see them show up in an uninhabitable system. There's almost always at least one inhabited world.

>>51086545
I am sure some of them are named Ian.

>>51086323

Because?

>>51086683

The Imperium has millions of planets in it, the total population is considered "countless".

Human soldiers are literally a limitless resource.

>>51086663
Cadia exploded, rip cadia

>>51086708

Aha, thank you.

Are jetpacks a good substitute for bikes if you don't have any, or are they just not good in general?

I'm poor. I can get ten jump packs for my marines for like $7 but bikes are 3 for $40

>>51086728
the problem with "limitless" resources like that isn't the amount available, but the logistics of actually moving it anywhere.

>>51086469
Most of the Legions need further reaching Legion+Detachment benefits. For example, Speartip Strike is awkward given that most of the FBD doesn't Deep Strike, it's nonsensical that only CSM and Chosen can Infiltrate for AL, and the Word Bearer benefits are shit.

What is the best way to build an ork army around supporting a Stompa? I just really want to put one of those on a table (or the forgeworld one, whatever).

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>>51086683
Orks and Tyranids aren't a threat in 7th Edition, m8. And the High Lords don't waste their time thinking about grunt plebs.

Here's an Ork story. Read the second paragraph.

>>51086762
buy imperial armour, buy all the ork super heavies

>>51082416
Wrong. Read Talon of Horus.

>>51086703
Maybe he wanted control of the pylons, so he could "control chaos" (at least in his mind). Stop being so shallow. We get it, you can't use your imagination enough, and you want to bash on Abaddon.
Stop replying to these Abaddon bashing shit posters, nothing you say can convince them that Abaddon is actually good at being bad.

>>51086092
Trazyn is the ruler of a single tomb world. He is not a Phaeron.

>>51086633
You know, they could of said something like: "There's a special force field around Cadia that's stopping Abaddon from nuking from orbit." or "There are some secret battle plans or a relic that Abaddon needs hidden somewhere on Cadia."

>>51086748
>Applying logic in 40k
Your OCD/Autism won't do well in this hobby, friend.
Accept it at a simplistic "that is pretty cool" level and don't over think it.
If you do, this hobby becomes stupid very quickly.

>>51086747
The issue is that basically bikes give you all the benefits of jump packs and more for not that much more in points.

A bare-bones Skyhammer isn't that cheesy really. Take a single heavy weapon in each Devastator squad and they're basically just Tac marines.

BTW, if you haven't already, pirate all the rules from the mega links at the top (might need to sift through a few).

>>51086791

Maybe there is a reason and they don't want to spoil it?

Maybe they want you to buy the book to find out what it is?

>>51086486
>these generic laser rifle dudes suck
>but these other generic laser rifle dudes are awesome!

>>51086791
I could easily accept 'Abaddon wants to bitchslap Creed in person'

>>51086633
>Isn't he supposed to be pragmatic

No? ADB says that Abaddon is an idealist. Idealist are never pragmatist. How will he prove to the galaxy he is the rightful ruler when he destroys the Emperor's symbol of defiance wiyhout a fight?

>>51086807
Cadians are generic laser rifle dudes, the other guys have a specific look that does not look like any modern soldier or "realistic" future trooper. They're wearing fucking sunglasses and one guy has a giant eagle emblem on his chest. That's way more wacky, 80's, and less generic than Cadians.

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>>51086486
>Cadians aren't really sci-fi at all

Anyone know any good sci-fi movies?
Pic unrelated.

>>51086604
Englishman actually. Still not autistic enough to go picking people up for using the wrong there, they're and their on a Chinese caligraphy discussion board.

>>51086815
Why would he bother getting a Planet Killer if he didn't use it when he fucking needed it?

>>51086728
If that is true then orks are even more limitless

>>51086633
>literally fucking what

"hurr durr this incompetent warlord who always fucks up makes a tactical blunder"


yeah this seems consistent with abaddon's writing thus far, I see no problems

>>51086748

That's why you have the Administratum to figure the logistics of the whole venture, and the Navy with the ships to actually move them there.

And, yes, the logistical organization of the Imperium is an entity to be reckoned with. It even has at least three or four resident Ordo Minoris of the Inquisition dedicated to sorting through it, circumventing it, befuddling it, or chasing down valuable info that's been filed away in it.

>>51086821
not him but "there, they're and their" is a pretty egregious mistake

that said when someone makes a mistake like that it's safe to assume that they're either ESL or an actual child

and you gain nothing from arguing with an actual child

>>51086820
Did I say the Starship Troopers movie had sci-fi soldiers?

The Starship Troopers of the book actually set the tone in the rest of the genre for what "sci-fi" soldiers are like.

>>51086668
Pretty sure if a Commissar started executing hundreds of guardsmen at random, the munitorum wouldn't just shrug and let him carry on.

Guardsmen are expendable, but not limitless. If nothing else, it consumes finite resources to transport them to warzones.

>>51086827

Orks are the most populous race in the galaxy, but they spend all of their time mucking about fighting each other, which is the only reason they haven't steamrolled everyone else in the milky way.

This is like Warhammer 40K lore 101

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>>51086820
the book is pretty good, if your into that sort of thing

pic related is a very good fantasy/sci-fi series

really for good sci fi you have to go to books. movies just don't capture the purpose of the genre.

>>51086854
But the imperium is still constantly harassed by them, and because of the way they reproduce and the speed they reproduce, getting rid of them is very hard.

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THE EMPEROR COMMANDS THAT YOU POST YOUR CURRENT PROJECTS AND FACE HIS JUDGEMENT.


Still a lot of work to go on these guys.

>>51086825
Because it was built for the Gothic War and was used then against a virtually defenseless planet. In lore it takes about an hour for the main gun to destroy a planet so you have to be unmolested for that time.

Cadia is also also fortress world layered with ground based defenses and void shields which further compound the time needed to destroy it; the planet killer may not also be to sustain it's armament long enough to burn through the shielding AND destroy the planet.

>>51086854
>which is the only reason they haven't steamrolled everyone else in the milky way.

Objectively wrong. The Orks united under the Beast in 32K.

They were beaten back by the Imperium

>>51086843
I always liked that about 40k. Even though they get very little fluff mention the background workings of the administratum are implied to be fucking enormous, which they would have to be to support anything near the size of the Imperium.

Also, this is why we have super powerful computers. Operations research is a hell of a thing.

>>51086825
To fight SPESS battles and destroy less important worlds?

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>Celestine already out of stock

Fucking shit cunts I just woke up fuck.

>>51086825
Sometimes you acquire weapons for reasons other than firing them. Artillery rarely actually shells the enemy, instead you point it at where you really really don't want them to go, since they'll see where you've aimed it and just know "yeah I can't go there or I'm pink mist.' You dictate their movements through zone denial, even though you'll probably never actually end up shooting them.

Similarly a planet killing gun, assuming it's too unwieldy to just take to Cadia and blow it up, could be used to deny the enemy a forward base or cover otherwise unprotected sectors by threatening to just blow up any planet the enemy is trying to establish a presence on. Seems great for a scorched earth, or in this case scorched planet, campaign strategy.

>>51086772
Talon of Horus would have been great if a follow up novel had come out soon after. As is, it reads like the prologue to some other, more interesting story. Way too much angsty navel gazing from Ghayon.

>>51086985
Didnt you guys get the memo?

Planetkiller was destroyed in Fall of Cadia.

>>51087010
The second book is coming this year.

So which legion came out on top in Traitor legions?
Personally Alpha Legion looks pretty sweet with all thoose disposable cultists coming back for more and more.

>>51086909

I imagine they employ as many servitors as some Forge World facilities might, each one printing, filing, or even doing their basic labor thing by moving boxes of scrolls and envelopes around. Cherubs flitting through datacrypts and towering shelves of paper, scrolls, and in some cases engraves stone or metal tables, to carry important missives between administrators. Servo-Skulls move flocks delivering recorded missives or otherwise reviewing inventory or performing data searches through the labyrinth of the Imperium's organization structure.

I imagine anyone in a head position of the Administratum might look more like a Tech-Priest than a bureaucrat, bionic eyes to replace the ones they wore out long ago from reading fine print, bionic fingers with integrated auto quill for signing so many documents without getting carpal tunnel, and never losing your pen. Probably a good deal of brain implants too for internalizing digital documents from the Mechanicus or just enhancing memory so you can remember all you need to keep yourself roughly on top of it all. Probably have your own private retinue of servitors as well, each tasked with hauling, printing, recording dictation, and otherwise attending to him.

Now I want to read more stories about the Administration's job, it's probably horrifying and awesome in the most grimdark of ways. Fuck it, I might set my next Kill Team campaign inside a bureaucratic Administratum facility, with Servitors roaming around just as ready to fuck up intruders as file paperwork.

tempted to return to 40k. Are tyranids and blood angels still shit? I just painted up some space hulk termis, are BA termis still shit? Is this game still shit? Is cruddace going to write the next tyranid book?

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>>51086885
First squad done a couple of days ago

>>51087059
>Yes
>Yes
>YMMV
>I dunno

>>51087016
Are you memeing or did it really?
I thought abaddon had captured multiple of those ships.

>>51087059
>Is cruddace going to write the next tyranid book?
I don't think they let you know who writes the codexes anymore. Probably for just this reason.

>>51087071

Those would be Blackstone Fortresses, which are Eldar artifacts forged by the Eldar God Vaul.

There were multiple of them but all but one was destroyed, and according to the old 13th Black Crusade campaign, it was taken over by Slaanesh following the 13th BC campaign.

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>>51086818
>They're wearing fucking sunglasses

Unlike modern soldiers.

>one guy has a giant eagle emblem on his chest

What do you mean "one"? All the officers have them. And all the modern style Cadian officers have bling and an aquila across the chest.

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>>51087057

I liked reading about "Deletion Teams" that get tasked with 'deleting' certain information from the Imperial Archives by going to where it is and shooting it with flamers and executing any hapless clerks or librarians or other staff that see them because the fact that the administratum deletes historical information cannot be made known.

A Killteam campaign... set in an archive basement hundreds of floors below the surface filled with haywire servitors, security systems, and vicious mutant book lice the size of bears.

>>51084679
The Soul Drinkers Omnibus is a good one about how a loyal chapter can fall to chaos.

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>>51086769
>imperial armour
Can you explain further. Are you saying to go mass AV or just that all the superheavies are good?

>>51084679
I've heard the Word Bearers Omnibus is great.

>>51085165
Ib have always assumed that a lot of failed power armour and terminator saves dont represent the marine being killed, but instead simulate him ending up immobilised face down in the mud from a suit power failure, blinded and trapped under a ton of dead metal.

>>51087130

A "Deletion Team" mission might be neat, but it'd need the right setup. Probably at least need an Inquisition player and another player who would rather have a copy of that data in their hands.

Hell, it'd be great to build an Inquisition team in HoR and running an Ordo Hereticus Inquisitor leading an HRU in a massive Administratum building.

>>51086633
i can come up with a better reason in 3 seconds; as abaddons goal is ultimately to deny the chaos gods their victory he needs the cadian gate intact for the same reason the imperium does, namely to keep the eye of terror from expanding and enveloping the galaxy.

>>51087068
Good job.

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>>51087163

Fucking newfags.

>>51087203
Marines can still fight in unpowered armour, not sure about terminator armour but I imagine they can still move.

>>51087163
It's a name of the book retard.

>>51087203

A bad enough wound might not even kill someone, just leave them incapacitated. Can't fight if a glancing lasgun shot to your helmet knocked you unconscious or if you got shot in the leg and couldn't do much more than stop the bleeding. An after-action report would probably be more telling, but ultimately irrelevant because incapacitated units still count as casualties when you're playing towards an objective.

Although we can probably assume some attacks cause death, like those subject to Instant Death or those attacks whose flavor and mechanics are otherwise gruesome and explicitly deadly.

>>51087238
>>51087245
Mea culpa. I wasn't clear, I know what imperial armor is, I wanted to know which units from the book he thought was good.

>>51087259

Imperial Armor 8 is probably your best bet for Orks, since it centers around Orks.

Check out those stompa and gargant rules. I could have sworn I had an image of those pages, but it seems I've lost them. It makes the Stompa/Gargant practically infinitely customizable with the ability to spit out a mind-boggling amount of dice every shooting phase so long as you can actually model as many guns to the fucking thing.

Still BS2, but you can turn it into a walking rainstorm of bullets so it doesn't much matter. You might also want to invest in a lot more d6s.

Also the Lifta-droppa I've heard is neat.

>>51087259
Buzzgob's Kustom Big Mek Stompa is normally the one pointed to. It's 400 points cheaper than a normal Big Mek Stompa, with a Mek inside it who can repair it on the field. If you shell out 150 points on upgrades then it can also throw out 2 7" S10 Ap1 blasts, among other attacks.

Probably far and away the most efficient unit Orks have.

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Ok, so I'm starting a Skitarii army, and it's going to be mainly based on vanguards....problem is that I prefer how the ranger's guns look.

I'm going to be using the vanguard heads anyway, but do you think I'll get any grief for using galvannic rifles as count-as radium carbines?

I'm consider chopping off the front segment of the rifle and replacing the muzzle to shorten the rifle to maybe avoid issues with WYSIWYG

>>51087119
I mean they've got Ray-Bans, not shooting glasses.

>What do you mean "one"?
If all of them do, that only reinforces my point.

https://www.games-workshop.com/en-US/Imperial-Guard-Cadian-Command-Squad

The Cadians actually don't have any serious bling, only the Vostroyans.

>>51087231
Thanks

>>51087345
The heads are primary identifier, most people probably won't even notice the guns.

>>51084679
The Ahriman novels are great. They show a pretty wide variety of Chaos followers and are relatively well-written.

The Treacheries of the Space Marines short story collection is also pretty good. The first story about the most butthurt Iron Warrior in the galaxy is fantastic.

>>51087345
well.... are you going to use any rangers?

if there's no rangers then it's impossible to confuse the two

>>51087069
still shit even with the angel's blade thingo? if so, it's back to infinity. See you boys after Age of Emperor.

>>51087378
That was my hope.

>>51087498
Yeah, was gonna have a minimal squad or two with TA's to snipe transports with, wearing hoods.

Not really played before and was worried I'd end up upsetting people by having the wrong guns on the model, doesn't sound like it's too much of an issue though.

>>51087359
>they've got Ray-Bans, not shooting glasses

And your evidence for this?

>The Cadians actually don't have any serious bling

Neither do the models you're upholding as the paragons of Imperial Guard. They got a cuirass with an aquila on it.

Cadian Command Squad kit comes with two torsos (armoured and unarmoured) with an aquila gorget. The OOP metal Cadian officers got similar aquila gorgets. OOP metal officer with the long coat has an aquila across his chest. Creed has an aquila across his chest.

>>51087245
>>51087289
thanks, lads. with the stompa should I focus on keeping it out of combat? I know it has a D weapon in melee, but it just doesn't seem worth it with all that dakka it can bring each turn.

Was wondering if this would be a good, semi-viable (for flgs levels) list and also a funny meme:

Run a gargantuan squiggoth and three big squiggoths.
Support these with Zhardsnark and tank bustas (inside the squiggoths) so I don't have a model less than t5 on the board.

Good meme or complete retardation?

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considering a fluffy army of mordians thanks to based victoria miniatures
obviously footslogging platoons and rough riders is the main thing to go for, just wondering if in the fluff theres anything else they do like using leman russes, heavy weapons teams, ogryns, ect just to add some variety

>>51087799
any dark eldar players in your lgs?
they will fucking love you

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Hi Looking for some input on this list i'm putting together.

The Fast attack Piranha's are actually FW Tetras (35 points each to bring me to 1500)

What do you think will be the armies biggest problem.

I want to play Tau, but I want to win without people hating me
Is there some specific list that's viable without being cancerous? I'm guessing Stormsurges and Riptides are right the fuck out.

>>51087803
Their preferred special weapon is the grenade launcher, preferred heavy is the lascannon, they field sanctioned Psykers, Heavy Weapon Platoons and Ratlings, and they're skilled in close order drill, marching shoulder to shoulder.

Source is 3e codex.

>>51085258
no, trazyn is only necron in book one of Gathering Storm

>>51087840
Farsight Enclaves with a focus on Crisis Teams. It's fluffy and effective, and you have a reasonable excuse for fielding fewer/no megasuits.

Bought Kill Team box.
Thinking of getting SM upgrade sprue pack because.
is it worth it? Do I "need" all the bells and whistles or will bare tactical squad do for any chapter?

>newb.jpg

You just woke up an entire day after the preorder went up?

>>51087840
what this >>51087861 anon said. But also you want to go a bit easier throw some kroot in there.

>>51087918
if* you want to go a bit easier that is

>>51087840
bringing one riptide to a table probably won't get you dirty looks.

>>51087889
Nope! All you need to do is paint them in the color of whichever chapter you wish to play as!

The extra bits do make for good custom characters, in my opinion, or if you just hate freehanding/using transfers for your chapter emblem.