MTG: Aether Revolt spoilers thread

>>51045066
Green's seems, really bad.

>>51045090
White's worse despite vigilance. Doesn't change the fact that red is nuts while black and blue are ok.

>>51045090
Eh it's a hill giant with an upside, it'll be fine for limited. They all will.

>>51045164
gotta go with you on that one, red's is insane

>>51045066
>>51044441 seems pretty good. Definitely a good choice in Commander. Use your rocks and shit to play it on the cheap, then slowly grind out their hand as well as have some spot removal on the side in a pinch. I have a mono-Black deck that could have fun with this, but I'm not running nearly enough artifacts in it to take full advantage of its capabilities. I just like the gradual discard effect.

>>51045066
>black is a human instead of an aetherborn
How can they mess it up so badly?

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>>51045190
my thoughts exactly

there really needs to be more Aetherborne, I really like their aesthetic.

>>51045270
I hope they make an Aetherborn lord. Probably not in AER though, maybe in a later Commander set.

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>>51045404
Here is the token for her.

>>51045404
I know this is good value, but I can't think of anything good in constructed that it fits in since her ability nonbos with vehicles

>>51045419
We might see a betrayal effect get played for realsies

>>51045226

I'm going to be needing a foil of this card.

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>>51045404
Wait if that's the red legend then who the fuck is this?

>>51045480
Saheeli?

>>51045480
Advika Taar
See: http://magic.wizards.com/en/products/aether-revolt

>>51045404
so it's like a mini-Geist that's a lot worse?

THIS IS THE BEST SET PRINTED IN TEN FUCKING YEARS

TWO BOOSTER BOXES ORDERED. WELL PLAYED WOTC

>>51045561
lmao

>>51045546
I wouldn't say it's a LOT worse, just moderately worse. She dodges Shock (which is huge) she hits for 3 (total) and the token does it's a free revolt trigger.

She's worse than Giest but definitely not bad.

>>51045066
Is there a reason the green one gets fucked?

>>51045164
>>51045183

Bout time. Red usually gets the shout end of these cycles.

>>51045620
Because everyone else has had it worse for the past 5 sets, I think they can handle one bad common in a cycle.

>>51045226
When you think about a cards max potential, this one looks so fucking promising. This in theory could be "ramped" out turn 3-4 and completely fuck the game.

Literally comes packaged with a decently priced removal AND puts your opponents hand on a timer.

Cherry on top is the whole 5/5 flying.

>>51045457
So you weren't around for Zealous Conscripts then?

>>51045419
I would have been willing to pay a little more mana if it were to auto-crew if you take a vehicle, or grab creatures and artifacts, or even cast a 3 cost card so that you could potentially cast it and a regular act of treason.

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>>51045404
>1 power
>first strike/menace
I don't like this meme.

>>51045646
If you throw it into a U/B Metalwork Colossus deck all your dinky little Prophetic Prisms and Puzzle knots become double the ramp spells

>>51045653
Nope, dropped Magic between Coldsnap and Journey I will never forgive myself for missing Time Spiral

>>51045669
You're making me hard anon. Just a shame everything else is so fucking fast and powerful right now that it really wouldn't stand a chance.

so gonti is sparking my johnny autism to make a time walk deck work. my first hurdle is finding mana to play something worthwhile on the same turn as the heart. is foundry inspector the best there is at cheating it in?

>>51045620
Seriously, it could at least have reach.

>>51045404
>>51045419
>red is shit

Wew lad, at least shock got a reprint

>>51045608
>dodges shock
Geist dodges all removal friend, you have it right with revolt trigger but she is just plain bad

How do the Implements compare to the Puzzleknots?

>>51045905
Well, if we're comparing Modern cards with Standard cards, sure.

But since Geist won't be in Standard, it doesn't matter much, does it? :^)

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>>51045404
Well it's a really fucking good revolt enabler

>>51045905
Except you're thinking of Kari in the wrong terms. You should really only look at new cards as they relate to Limited and Standard (in that order.)

She's a solid limited pick, probably third or fourth pick.

In Standard, she's not bad. Might see play if Red is good enough to break through standard as a whole.

>>51045936
Did I touch a nerve? Go ahead and defend your little format where you spend $300 to play 1 of 3 decks only to have it all a year later worth $15.

>>51046026
I don't play standard but I'm sure she will fit in all of the aggro decks all top 8 of them

>>51045918
They are basically spellbombs where the draw is free.

>>51046105
I don't even play standard. I just think it's retarded to compare two cards that aren't meant to do the same things and play in the same format.

>>51046026
>probably third or fourth pick
>to an extremly good 2 drop
This is first pick material to start an aggressive deck m8. 3 damage attacker with evasion and a relevant combat ability is no joke. The free revolt is just icing on the cake.

>>51046163
But they are playable in modern, legacy, vintage, commander, singleton, freeform, and cube :^)

>>51046178
I was low- balling the pick. I don't really draft much, mostly because I'm terrible at it, but you're probably right.

Any tips on drafting better? I understand the concepts (BREAD, high- ish creature count, deck building) but I can never do better than 2- 2.

>>51045808
Herald of kozilek works too.

>>51046253
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What's the fastest way to shit out artifacts to abuse Improvise?

>>51046411
handful of bone saws

>>51045404

BURN THE COAL, PAY THE TOLL

>>51046253
step 1 is learning how to draft
step 2 is learning the set/block meta

>>51046411
>abuse Improvise
Pretty sure that's not the point man.

You play some artifacts and you just make some Improvise cards good enough for your deck. Building a deck around Improvise means you're just going to fucking die just like building around every other mechanic.

The Sidisi/Sultai decks of the last rotation didn't build around to abuse Delve - the self-mill just happened naturally to get the Delve to work.

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>>51045561

>>51046105
>this card is bad in this format
>but it's alright when you think about this format
>WHAT'S WRONG BABBY DID I STRIKE A NERVE?

Clearly they were the one who struck your nerve, anon

>>51045404
Meh, not amazing.
That is some cute artwork though. Sultry smug is always a good combo.

>>51045404
>>51045419
being a red mage is suffering

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>>51046577
>I'll prove him wrong by exaggerating what he said

You might as well delete all your previous posts

>>51045936

>But since Geist won't be in Standard, it doesn't matter much, does it? :^)

Not until we find a Hexproof/Indestructible creature in Standard to slap on that Invocation of Saint Traft aura.

>>51046684
>everyone who disagrees with me is the same person

How embarrassing.

>>51046411
Investigate?

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>>51045404

>The monkey hits harder

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>>51046684
Got em

>>51046411

Servo tokens and clues.

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>>51046877

Dude, monkeys are no joke, they will tear your genitals before you know

>>51046877
We'll see what you think about that when you get your fingers ripped off one by one and your ass eaten raw by a chimpanzee.

>>51046920

Thats why the monkey should have Menace.

>>51046948

See that's just Deathtouch.

>>51046877
getting your face ripped off is pretty damaging

>>51046966
It's not deathtouch, 'cause the fucker won't kill you.

>>51045066
Might want the red ones for that Rg energy deck I never finished.

>>51046989

The rabies and/or other unknown diseases it has might.

>>51046664
we're still getting shit for Lightning Bolt.
and Stone Rain

>>51047022
Anything else in the spoilers you want to include?

>>51045226
#1 card I've seen thus far in terms of limited bombs. Holy shit I want to open this in every sealed pool / draft.

>>51045620
Rhino was the best of the common energy cycle creatures in Kaladesh, so it balances out. Sadly whites is even worse, as a 2/3 isn't going to do shit swinging on turn 5. Could have been 3 mana desu

>>51045665
First strike + menace is such a deadly combination of abilities in limited. You take on so much fucking risk when you are tapped out, most people are just going to let her through for multiple turns if you drop this on turn 2.

>>51047072
Shock. The deck is built closer to red deck wins than anything, I gave up on it because lack or components to make it work and because I do not like pummeler at fucking all. Lathnu hellion or bust.

>>51046026
She is amazing in an aggro limited deck. Definitely would first pick her and plan to be aggressive. No one is blocking her for the first 5 turns if they are tapped out, for fear of built to smash blow outs. She's going to consistently trigger revolt *for free* every turn she swings, which is going to be extremely premium in limited and will generate insane tempo.

>>51046877
hey Giuseppe, go for the face!

Other than Stoneforge Masterwork and Captain's Claws are there even any good equipments in this set?

>>51047328

And by set I really mean entirety of Standard.

>>51047328
>Stoneforge Masterwork and Captain's Claws

but anon, those are really shitty equipments

What the fuck is a Renegade Map?

RENEGADE MAP

FOR WHEN CARTOGRAPHY CANNOT BE TRUSTED OR CONTAINED AND LIVES ON THE OUTSKIRTS OF DANGER.

>>51047328
If those are the best equipment in Standard, then I got bad news for you man. If it wasn't for the Living Weapons and the Swords, the last playable equipment was like Behemoth Sledge, and before that it was like Bonesplitter.

I'm sure there are others, I don't care, people don't have to post them. I'm tired of the one-upmanship that pervades this game.

>>51045404
Thought he was a shota and we'd finally get our young hero representation, but no, it's just one more bitch.

>>51047361
>>51047382

I know they're not the greatest compared to past equipment but they're the best ones in the format and the most playable. Considering this weird odd push for card drawing off equipment and equipped dudes right now i'm trying to see if there's potential.

>>51045620
Its 3/3
Should have been 3/2 reach though the fuck were they thinking.

>>51045404
Everyone's talking about how it's going to be good in Limited and I'm just here like "Yeah no shit it'll be good in Limited it's a fucking Rare"

It would have to be incredibly awful or niche to be a bad Rare for Limited

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>>51047436

>>51045620
same question the 4 other colors have been asking since theros

Don't want to fork out $28 USD each for Glimmervoids in Modern? Worry not friend for you now have Spire of Industry!

>>51047456
It still hurts.
At least we got that Piledriver reprint

Mechanized Production actually seems viable. Even if you don't get the instawin condition out of it, continually cloning a Gearhulk or clue token seems kind of absurd to winning out control mirrors.

>>51047472
Seems like there's a chance this could go higher since it isn't useless by itself and fills the niche in a few more decks than affinity.

>>51047645

I don't think it will go higher but then again Karplusan Forest jumped up too because people didn't enjoy paying $100 for Grove for the Burnwillows. Either way it is a good budget Glimmervoid replacement for Affinity in Modern right now.

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>>51045419
>Not using this shit for living end

This card is solid.

One thing to note. All the cards that let you cast cards under a certain cmc without paying their mana costs are going to be used to abuse some split cards in Modern. We're already starting to see it with Beck/Call and Brain in the Jar.

>>51047622

Piledriver was really just printed to put it into Modern cardpool.

>>51047793
Oh I didn't mean that about limited. Just reliving the disappointment of Honored Hierarch

>>51047398
While it's admirable to be optimistic, the rule, as has always been the rule, is that something has to be good in a variety of situations, not JUST in the best situation.

And Equipment usually falls into the dogshit category by only being good at the best of times just like Auras. Sometimes they break stalemates.

Wizards has pushed that theme for in a variety of situations and it's always been crap. Equipment is like Tribal, you're trying to make a few small pieces of shit be good. Don't waste your money trying to push it - it's for newbies and idiots.

In an ideal world, they'll print an Equipment that would be an engine all in itself. It would have the Batterskull clause that returns it to your hand so you can flicker it. The flicker would either be free or the cast would be free. Can you believe that? That Batterskull actually had THE ability that would make Equipment-centric decks borderline playable? They got it right with Batterskull and they probably don't realize it because people are too busy crying about Stoneforge.

But you're not going to get it. Because a) Wizards is a bunch of lazy fucks and b) "the flavor makes no sense". It's a failure of both parties here. I'm willing to bet that Batterskull's design notes are just locked in some safe and nobody's even allowed to look at the card in the offices for fear that they'll print good equipment again.

>>51047382
You seem to be forgetting OG Mirrodin's Swords and Umezawa's Jitte.

>>51047690
Are you fucking stupid? It needs to be in your hand.

You people need to stop pretending that you play shit that you clearly don't.

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>>51047917

Really anon? Really?

>>51047472
>inb4 it costs more then that

>>51047948
Name me the card in Living End that Expertise replaces.

I'll wait. And I'll be waiting forever.

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>>51048003
Are you fucking retarded anon? Expertise isn't for searching for your Living End, its for unstucking the Living End that you drew in turn 2, Its for that.

Having a Living End in hand is nightmare fuel for the deck and having a 3cmc card that lets you get it out of your hand is enough to consider having the card around.

Can't belive you are so dumb you couldn't see that line. Yikes /tg/ is bad at magic.

>>51048030
"The search for push" a WoTC R&D Documentary

>>51048060
I would unironicly watch a documentary about the attempt to design good 1 mana removal

>>51045360
Looks like your lucky day.
>>51048108

>>51048108
>Aetherborn tribal is trash

>>51048108
There's that Aetherborn Lord.

>>51048108
Looks cool flavor wise. Pretty shit though.

>>51047902

Well right now i'm looking at 2 different cards at 2 cmc that will draw cards when equipment is played or when equipped creature dies. I mean right now it looks like it encourages a go wide swarm strategy but i've only got like half a brew going on in my head right now.

Don't get me wrong I know this isn't the most optimal build but lot of brews start that way and I'd like to see where it can go. Besides if you can't play at FNM with the cards you like then what's the point? I'd take a more established deck to a GP but if it's FNM I just want to play spicy stuff

>>51048108
Theres like 2 decent Aetherborns, welp.

>>51048108
It's alright.

Kinda goes without saying that a lord is dependent on the rest of the tribe being good, but that BB vampire spoiled earlier gives me hope.

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>>51048108
Why tho?

>>51048119
Thanks for pointing that out. Pretty meh though, I was kinda hoping for artifact interaction really.

>>51048158
Vampires need a better lord, Captivating is a faggot and Nocturnus is lazy.

>>51045404
if I have a Primal Forcemage out, and I swing with Kari Zev, does the monkey become an attacking 5/4?

When will they print some good fucking bugs/insects?

That shit is my fetish and it hasn't been cured in years. Original Yugioh spawned this fetish.

>>51048210
Yes!

>>51048210

Yes. It enters play and Forcemage gives it +3/+3.

>>51048108

So we got this, Gonti, Yahenni, Vampire Groundhawk and that 1/4 for UB as playable Aetherborns.

That might actually be enough for a meme deck.

>>51048108
Nothing to build around but if you have a lot of aetherborn in your deck anyway its worth chucking in

>>51048149
>I'd take a more established deck to a GP but if it's FNM I just want to play spicy stuff
This

>>51048240
The flying one with lifelink that can suck up counters and the one that can eat artifacts are both decent.

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>>51048240
You could throw in Metallic Mimic for another meme lord.

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>>51048231
awesome, I'm gonna go brew some shit jank then

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>>51048278
Don't forget this guy either!

>>51045419
Holy shit this will essentially give me 3 crews for 3 mana along with a bunch of other non crew abilities.

>>51048108
Wow and only one mana from actually being even remotely useful and two from good!

>>51048108
Slots right into my gonti EDH deck. Especially since I can sacrifice Gonti to recur him. :^)

>>51048030
Try hedron alignment.

>>51048289
if I use collected company and hit that guy along with any haste creature, will the haste creature still get +2/+2?

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>>51045404
>>51045439
> retards on social media go apeshit over a fucking monkey token like it's the best thing since sliced bread

This is the group of people WotC caters to nowaday. FML and fuck NWO.

>>51048054
Why the fuck would I play the card that only fucking works if I have a Living End in my hand and does NOTHING else otherwise.

Now once again, name me the fucking card in the deck Expertise replaces.

Oh wait, you can't, because you don't play the fucking deck.

>>51048336
Why wouldn't it, both etb at the same time, so it procs for both.

>>51048334
Heh, that's actually pretty neat.

>>51048343

My friend flipped his shit over the concept of a legendary monkey token.

>>51048336
I believe so, yes.

>>51048343
Better than Ashaya though.

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>>51048372
>ASHAYA<

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>>51048390
>tmw you realize nissa was a better character when she was racist

>>51048411
I agree, though racist!Nissa's only reason to join the gatewatch would be for the good of zendikar, I guess? also then they can't mercilessly push chandra against her in the story

>>51048361
To be fair a legendary monkey is pretty fucking cool.
Next step black border squirrels (not legendary though)

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>>51048434
?

>>51046411
Sram + Cheerios

Well i'm buying 2 booster boxes of this, i'm getting them for next to nothing thanks to multiple gift cards.

Wish me luck boys.

>>51048840
This set is going to be cracked like hotcakes.

You still might lose money on it.

>>51048853

I'm spending $12 on 72 packs, I should do fine.

I saw someone say that art from "Ham" was leaked a few months ago. Does anyone know anything about that?

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>>51048521
Step aside, newfriend.

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>>51048917

>>51048990
Oh right I remember that now, for some reason I remembered the packs but I only remembered the amonkhet half.

Thanks, though.

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>not simic

>>51048054
This game is dying because of people like you. Whether you're a shill, ignorant, and/or stupid you're undermining everything that goes well in this game that progresses the community. You spread bad ideas and bad information that only leads to players wasting their money on bad ideas.

And now, because of people like you, there's so much disinformation it's ingrained in the community, people are constantly making excuses for Wizards' lazy shit because they haven't been around long enough to see they've been recycling the same abilities for years and stuffing the space with (french) vanilla creatures. People like you say "it's going in X deck" all the time when nobody in their right mind would put it in that deck whether or not it's casual or not. Nobody owns a obscure-tribal deck and if they do, a disproportion of them seem to post online, which only tells me that there are nothing but shills here getting paid to spout unjustified positive bullshit while YouTubers shill for views and preview cards.

It used to be that nerd hobbies could survive off the good-will of its power-users. But companies have discovered you don't need power-users, you just need to sell to the idiot-money who will listen to anything you tell them. You put in less effort and make more money.

It used to be that if you made great games, you will make a lot of money. Now it's you'll make a lot of money if you make great games.

>>51049041
>This game is dying
Stopped reading there.

>>51048990
Oh yay, waterworld

>>51049041
>This game is dying because of people like you.

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>>51049041
>getting paid to shitpost about magic cards
>on /tg/

>>51049041
Its one thing to say something dumb on 4chan, its another thing to get this triggered

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>>51049037
Good.

it should have been boros just to spit in green's face

Angelfu fags rejoice regardless

>>51049037
>UG needs more good shit

>>51049041
>Magic is dying
Magic has been "dying" for the last 24 years.

>>51049037
>it accelerates your opponents' infect strategies

>>51049062
It is though.

>>51049141
what

>>51049141
>caring about modern

nah buddy, its cool, you like what you like. I just think it seems very solid in limited

New player here can you tap a creature with summoning sickness to power an improvise spell?

>>51047376
A crappy expidition map knock off

>>51049238
"Summoning sickness" only prevents you from attacking and using abilities with the tap symbol in the cost; you can you artifact creatures with "summoning sickness" to help pay for spells with Improvise

>>51049184
Read the card.

>>51049238
Yes. Summoning sickness only prevents you from using abilities of that card.

My mother came to visit and i want to show her how excited i am for this set which cards would you say are most obviously good to somebody who does not play.

>>51049321
Oh goddamn i didn't notice that.

>>51049443
Big numbers, so the dreadnought

>>51049443
She wants to show you how disappointed she is in you.

>>51049443
Pirate girl because she has a funny monkey XD

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>>51045066
oh boy he's got another one.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pt1IiM5uHWI

>>51049501
That works thanks its also a card i myself am hype for
>>51049510
Heh sure why not

>>51049443

Don't show any Magic cards to her. She might ask you how much they cost, and then either you'll have to lie to your mother, or she'll have to adult-age abort you for spending thousands of dollars on a stupid fucking card game for nerds.

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>>51049552
Oh, for fuck's sake. Desolator is bitching again. I feel like I'm in yesterday.

>>51049552

Are you seriously this guy's biggest fan or why are you spamming his videos?

>>51049552
I have heard of no mtg digital next but if i had to guess they are finally bringing magic online overseas

>>51049566
>She might ask you how much they cost, and then either you'll have to lie to your mother, or she'll have to adult-age abort you for spending thousands of dollars on a stupid fucking card game for nerds.
Not him but jokes on you I've been playing for 4 years and I've probably spent a few hundred total.

>>51049584
I'm a completely different anon.

i just like making fun of him with /tg/ to be honest.

>>51048343
What are they saying about it

>>51045066
I get that greens does not have reach because blues has flying but they should have given it fucking something it just looks out of place.
Greens is still just as playable as the rest of them though i dont know what you are all bitching about

>>51049666
Well, I can tell you that he's a cuck with no understanding of basic removal, from the one video of his I've seen.

>>51047690
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>>51049041
Since you're all retarded, the original poster was talking about how the card interacted with Living End, not the jank modern deck called Living End named after the card Living End.

>>51049135
>Magic has been "dying" for the last 24 years.

Everybody is, when you think about it.

>>51048159
Market Research shows that Tribal Decks are popular with Casual Players. Don't you know?

Seriously though one of the most common questions they seem to get is "when will u do [obscure creature] tribal???"
So here I guess they're getting it out of the way early.

>>51050065
>So here I guess they're getting it out of the way early.
Thats smart thinking from them.

What i want to know is when are they bringing back the tribal supertype its so much fucking fun.

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>>51048222
Hell yeah.
Unfortunately I don't think swarmyard is that good?

>>51048343
>fuck NWO
Wanna knows how I know you have no clue what you're talking about?

>>51045175
That's not high praise

>>51048434
No. Squirrels are dumb.

>>51044517
Agreed
>>51044692
No story wizards makes for this art will ever be good enough now.

>>51049443
Post pics

>>51048108
Nice

>>51048222
There's hornet queen and saprolings, if you count those

>>51050083
I have some bad news for you

MaRo has made it very clear that tribal supertype is never coming back, apparently too many annoying rules issues, also a bunch of awkward internal debates about how it should be used in non tribal sets

>>51047436
There are tons of rares that are complete garbo for limited.

>>51050119

Squirrels are a dumb fucking joke race and should never come back outside of an Un-set, however I'd be willing to make an exception for one Legendary squirrel just so that they can be used in EDH.

You heard it here first, folks.

4 Port Town
1 Plains
12 Island
1 Inventors' Fair
4 Bone Saw
4 Cathar's Shield
2 Ornithopter
2 Corrupted Grafstone
2 Cultivator's Caravan
3 Inspiring Statuary
4 Sram, Senior Edificer
4 Paradoxical Outcome
2 Quicksmith Spy
4 Whir of Invention
4 Trophy Mage
3 Paradox Engine
1 Panharmonicon
2 Aethertide Whale
1 Quicksmith Rebel

>>51047436
Lots of rares are bad in limited, but more to the point in my opinion this wont be very strong in limited.
All the opponent needs is two 2/2s to ruin your day. Im personally a bigger fan of Aether Chaser, which also gives you fuel for Revolt but also helps with Improvise and Energy.

>>51050315
I can't wait for untap to come back.

Seriously though, level up is my favorite mechanic they've ever made. I wish they would bring it back.

I was super hyped for XP counters but then they did F U C K I N G N O T H I N G with it

>>51050336
goblins are usually shown in a silly way, do you also have a problem with goblins?

>>51050427
man, you seem to be able to pick all the things that are never coming back

>>51048429
>Chandra will never forcefully/sexually prove to racist Nissa the glory of humanity

>>51045226
Splashing black in my clues.deck

>>51050454
I was being disingenuous about untap (I think it's a very interesting mechanic but I can understand why it was awful to design around) but I do love level up and do want it to come back.

I do agree levels should have started at 1 though, and just shift all the level values up by 1. Even though I use treespeaker a lot I still have to remind myself about starting at level 0 usually.

>>51050365
Dies to Push, Shock, Fragmentize, and Rejection.

>>51050468
Level up is neat in concept, but Ive never really found it all that fun to actually play with. Always feels like youre asking to be blown out by removal.

>>51050435

It's way more believable for a goblin to kill somebody than a squirrel. Even in real world I'd sooner believe that somebody was killed by a goblin than a fucking squirrel.

>>51050577
Squirrel is more believable then a rat

>>51050458
She does, anon. Every night, in my dreams. It's basically that Amalia/Evangelyne Zone flash.

>>51050197
Saprolings are more like plant funguses aren't they?

>>51050336
Yeah, that's what supplemental sets like Commander 20XX are for.

>>51050427
Inspired from theros WAS the return of untap.
Like, specifically. The symbol isn't coming back.

>>51050678
Inspired isn't untap, it just interacts with untapping.

I wasn't seriously saying I liked it anyway.

>>51050468
How the fuck does it make more sense to have levels NOT match the numbers of counters?

>>51050712
Because nearly everyone, and wotc and rosewater can back this up, assume that if you're using a level system that the first level is 1, not 0.

>>51050598
What the fuck? No it's not.
Rats kill people in real life you chucklefuck.

>>51050720
Wow, that's weird.
Like, suddenly I need to play all games of magic with one level counter on all my creatures.
People are weird.

>>51045404
>Mono-red legendary human pirate
"Yesyesyesyes!!"
>Abilities are boring.
Fuck this shit. I just wanted to build a pirate themed mono red edh deck. Is that too much to ask?

>>51050740
No you could just say that they all start at level 1 and only make their abilities activate when they are level 2 and above.

Technically, nothing would change, but because of how counters work and the stated levels on cards it would be a pretty significant change.

>>51050747
>muh meme tribal

>>51050722
Im not saying they dont but a squirril is still a better fighter then a rat

>>51050747
Why are edh players never fucking happy.
Just be happy you got so many blue enchantments blatently designed for edh in eldritch moon

>>51050801
I don't even play edh. I just like building theme decks around cool abilities.

>>51050801

But I don't like playing Blue.

>>51050821
How are there enough red pirate cards to make that coherent?

>>51050846
I'll find a way

>>51050846
Its the only red pirate card

>>51045226

Will this be the first big black demon to see constructed play in a while?

>>51051039
Depends on whether the artifact convoke matters alot or not.

The sad thing is after tails of equestria i wonder if wizards has a policy against making products that were once april fools jokes which would mean no pirates vs ninja duel deck ever

>>51045226
>Each opponent
Archenemy here i come

>>51050801
Once upon a time EDH players didn't get a dedicated product and their cards didn't shit up regular product. Now they expect to be catered to when they used to be perfectly happy with literally zero attention.

It's weird how that has changed. But I suppose they account for a significant chunk if not the majority of paper sales.

>>51051102
Almost as bad is when theres a good legendary all talk of normal play is drowned out by edh players

>>51051065
I can't believe Wizards shut down the custom pony cards. I think the whole pony thing was fucking creepy but shutting down a stupid fan project like that was ridiculous.

>>51051065
http://archive.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/dd/20060401a
Even at the time i was disapointed when i looked at the date after reading that article

It would have been great to get more young girls into roleplaying and i hope river horse succeds in that where idw failed to get girls into comics

Does boros have anything cool going for it in kaladesh block besides this dwarf/vehicle stuff?

>>51051257
Has wizards ever had an april fools joke that would not have been a fantastic product
I want from the vault vaults dammit

>>51050471
-1 Quicksmith Rebel +1 Burn from Within. This change was actually in the final version of the deck but I guess I didn't make it.
Also it needs a few more lands I think.

Additional win conditions should be in the sideboard in case you play against someone who guesses correctly that you only have one.

>>51050365
>>51051406
Can you explain what exactly this deck does? I'm fairly new.

>>51048240
the orzhov 2 drop and zuluport cutthroat makes artisocats an option

>>51051078
>THERE IS STILL A MOTHERFUCKER PLAYING ARCHENEMY

>>51047436
Most 0/10 limited unplayables are rare or mythic; using Kaldesh as an example I can think of three rares and two commons that are stone cold unplayable. As a mostly limited player I expect this card to be better in constructed because the board won't be clogged with 1/3s and 2/3s that stonewall the monkey.

>>51051624

One of my friends in my playgroup has such a crush on archenemy, every time he sees "each opponent" on a card he gets a boner

>>51051039
Mindwrack demon sees plenty of play

>still no revolt dragon
Theres no way they blew the only dragon in the set on improvise right...
Right

I was hoping for a cycle of revolt dragons but i would still be happy with just a red one

>>51051832
We aren't going to get cycles of dragons outside of tarkir

>>51045404
>could have been 3/1 first strike menace
>could have even been 2/1 first strike menace

Come on man.

>>51052226
>could have been 5/5 firststrike lifelink
>>could have been 8/8 firststrike lifelink trample deathtouch
Come on man.

>>51048343
People are tools.

>>51052226
>The only thing that bothers me is that why did they even make the Monkey Legendary if it's going to get exiled at the end of combat.

>>51052409
Don't want you exploiting Sundial of the Infinite like you could with Geist of Saint Traft.

Fuck if I know man. Look at all the morons who are excited about the brilliant revival of the Monkey subtype in this block. What makes no sense to me is what happens if your opponent murders the fucking monkey. It makes a new monkey with the same name? I guess there was that Ravnica Legend that shat out infinite Legendary wolves.

>>51050468
>I was being disingenuous about untap (I think it's a very interesting mechanic but I can understand why it was awful to design around)

Amusingly the reason Untap won't come back isn't because of design space.

It's because new players can't tell it isn't the normal Tap symbol, so they use it completely wrong.

>>51049177
This. All the epic wymyn are pretty fucking gay desu. Daily reminder girls ruin everything with their incessant need for inclusion in epin nerd activities (that they don't even play, just complain about).

>>51051832

Why the fuck would dragons be revolting against an unjust government?

Kaladesh dragons aren't even sapient

>>51052492
>What makes no sense to me is what happens if your opponent murders the fucking monkey


Kari is that person who just names each new pet the same thing

>>51052648
because muh whinings

>>51047376

It's a revolt enabler for limited.

>>51048095

We have pretty good one-mana removal in every color but green.

Path to Exile
Lightning Bolt
Vapor Snag
Fatal Push
???

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>>51052695
>one-mana removal in every color but green.


:^)

>>51052737

Well, I guess if your opponent doesn't have anything with flying or trample? Not exactly in the same tier, methinks.

Sadly, as long as green's removal is tied to creatures and/or the fight mechanic, I don't see them getting any good one-mana removal.

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>>51052752
No 1-mana but we keep on getting better fight spells.

>>51052695
It's prey upon.

>>51052787
When we get G 1-sided fight then we'll talk.

By the way when is 1-sided fight going to be keyworded? It's been showing up a lot.

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>>51052752
>>51052781

>>51052872
god that flavor text is atrocious

>>51052884
>>51052872
"If there's anything a werewolf hates, it's a tentacle — especially Emrakul's tentacles, the symbol of her dronepack."

>>51052872
>>51052884
"The /tg/ has become a spawning ground for the Grognards, the group of whiners that have succumbed to the power of Salt"

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>>51045404
WE
>>51045419
WUZ
>>51045439
SKYKANGZ AN SHIET

>>51045439
I know I'm going to end up with at least 10 of this fucking token and none or the legendary. I'll burn them all.

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>>51052695
Green's one mana removal spell just doesn't happen to target creatures.

>>51052872

That's the closest thing we have in green, but unlike the other examples I listed, it requires both that you control a creature and that said creature's power is greater than target creature's toughness.

Green doesn't like removing creatures in any method that doesn't involve you controlling your own creatures. If you have more mana, then you get into hate cards for flyers like Clip Wings or Plummet.

When will the rest of the set be spoiled?

>>51048108

Why the fuck aren't Aetherborn just elementals?

We could have gotten more stuff for Elemental tribal instead of this fucking meme tribe.

>>51053009
I said the same thing. They could have made them zombies, vampires, or elementals.

They just don't care. Lorwyn doesn't exist. To me, if they were zombies, they could work with the zombies in Innistrad. Didn't need any Dwarfs either, I wish they were human for similar synergistic purposes.

>>51053009

>meme tribe

There's officially a point where you're trying too hard, and you've reached it.

It's fine for planes to have creature types unique to them.

>>51053049
>It's fine for planes to have creature types unique to them.
It's not when the preceding block was a tribal heavy block. Every tribal block should be flanked by blocks that contain those tribes. It only makes fucking sense.

When you sit there and see players accusing them of making Standard cards worthless faster, this sort of bullshit supports that very sort of paranoia. And I'm not even talking for myself because I don't give a fuck about tribes.

>>51053077

Anyone bitching about cards in Standard becoming worthless is an idiot and deserves to lose their money. It has and will always be the case that Standard cards are incredibly volatile. Investing in that format is a fool's errand.

>>51053090
I'm talking about new players who are super hype about tribes like zombies, vampires, spirits, or humans (obviously werewolves aren't coming back) only to discover that there aren't anymore of those fucking tribes in the next block.

That sort of "worthless"; not the money kind. Wizards only shits on those players new to the game hoping their tribal cards get more support.

What is the poor fucker going to do with their Crypt Breakers, Diregraf Colossi, Falkenrath Gorgers, Gisa and Geralf, or Selfless Spirits.

>>51053116

They'll learn an important lesson about leaning on tribal support, since it's almost universally true across Standards past that tribal decks don't tend to be dominant forces.

Not to mention, the best cards are the ones that are great outside their tribal archetypes; Selfless Spirit, for example, is fantastic in any white creature-centric deck and will be so for however long it exists in Standard.

Again- no matter when, investing in standard is always a losing scenario. There's never going to be a case where you buy in and your cards don't tank to shit after rotation.

>>51053116
>What is the poor fucker going to do with their Crypt Breakers, Diregraf Colossi, Falkenrath Gorgers, Gisa and Geralf, or Selfless Spirits.
>Caring about a dollar rares
Poor fuckers indeed

>>51053278
Isn't selfless spirit $5 or something?

>>51053278

I would argue Selfless Spirit might be more than a buck long-term, as it's a really good addition to any Modern creature-based deck running white.

>>51050137
>I posted both of those.
Thanks anon.

When's the full spoiler release? This Monday?

>>51053116
>What is the poor fucker going to do with their Falkenrath Gorgers.
I can only speak for myself, but I was going to use them to play Magic: The Gathering.

>>51053116
>I'm talking about new players who are super hype about tribes like zombies, vampires, spirits, or humans
Vampires and humans got some decent cards in Kaladesh. Zombies will definitely get some neat stuff come Amonkhet, Spirits too, but that's more of a maybe.

Really, they always give some tribes a rest because some are incredibly commonplace while others only pop up from time to time. Meanwhile, ALL of them have fans and ALL of them want support for their favorite tribe.

We could have had Spirits again rather than Vedalken, but would that have been unwise, since they don't fit the theme. Plus, if WotC gave continued support to certain tribes it would all be tribal decks. The same ones over and over too.

>What is the poor fucker going to do with their Crypt Breakers, Diregraf Colossi, Falkenrath Gorgers, Gisa and Geralf, or Selfless Spirits.

Play with them?, Tribal decks aren't popular because they are very competitive, but because they are fun. People like the synergy.

The people that got Elves, Goblins, Zombies, Vampires, Humans or Spirits (like myself) can simply go and get more cards from past blocks and upgrade their decks to new heights. Sure, most tribes aren't T1 in modern but a good chunk is T2-3. Not that Tribal deck users even care because they prefered space is kitchentable play, where magical christmasland plays happen erryday.

>>51053306
Its more around 10 since it sees moderate Modern play.

I was a new player back at Lorwyn and i'm already super hyped about Treefolks for a decade.

What is a poor fucker like me going to do with my Dauntless Dourbarkssss RRRRRRREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

Full reveal when?

>>51053650
Tomorrow

>>51045419
>this and ancestral visions
>this and restore balance
Unf

>>51049041
This is fresh pasta

>>51052621
Is this a fucking joke? Please tell me it's a fucking joke. Nobody would be so dumb to think that a symbol with an arrow in the complete opposite direction of EVERY tap symbol is a tap symbol, right? Right?


They should bring back text to basic lands so people would fucking be forced to see the tap symbol every single second so there wouldn't be any confusion.

>>51048299
>3/3 lord with a card advangate ability tacked on
>ever two mana
Are you fucking drunk?

>>51054270

The rules for tapping don't even state which direction you tap it, so the icon is super unhelpful. (And of course the original one implies to tap at a 45 degree angle...)

And you or I may have been looking at that icon for a decade or two, but for someone who'd just started the difference is insignificant.

>>51054291
He's probably a spoiled modern player that thinks that anything that cost four mana should read "You win the game." Maybe legacy, but modern seems more likely because the players are so self entitled.

>>51054270
It's more than people don't read the cards and expect the rules to work like they think they will work. That's why they replaced shroud with hexproof, or replace regeneration by indestructible until end of turn.

>>51053536
>step 1: buy doran if you don't own
>step 2: build EDH deck tree folk tribal
>step 3: ?????
>step 4: profit!

>>51054433
Honestly, I started during Gatecrash and I was able to immediately tell the difference between the tap and untap icons within the first year when I found out about the Lorwyn/Shadowmoor block.

>>51054487
Replacing regeneration with indestructible until EOT was a decent choice, though. Regeneration has a ton of stuff attached to it that's not clear in the cards that have it. It creates a "shield" that makes it so the next time the creature would be destroyed it isn't and that any lethal damage is instead removed, creature becomes tapped AND removed from combat. It's a lot to process.

Honestly, it'd probably be simpler if WotC just printed rules stuff, like explanation of most keywords in the booster packs' bonus card. Y'know, instead of just having an ad telling you to go to FNM. Regeneration, even though it has a lot of shit on it, is actually really simple when you learn it. But for someone starting out, it seems way too much and there really isn't any way to know it immediately without having to search the internet or asking something and maybe even get a wrong answer.

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The flavor of this card is hilarious.

>>51055106
>>51055106
New thread and full spoilers

>>51055065
We now have this and the red first strike aura. Cycle confirmed or is it going to stay RW since those are the primary vehicle colors?

>>51045404
>a monkey
Further proof that red is the joke color. WOTC hates red so fucking much, even when it gets shit they find a way to make it lame

>>51053491
It's been so many sets since goblins got some love.
I mean I guess they printed a ruined daretti in conspiracy, but that's a shit product.