MtG Aether Revolt Spoilers

>>51055106
It doesn't list all the cards for me.

>>51055134
Okay, NOW it does. That's weird that it doesn't update for everyone at the same time.

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>>51055106
>Planar Bridge
Phyrexia confirmed.

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discounted threaten

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SMUG AS FUCK

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decent artifact removal.

No legendary creature in any color to build a energy edh deck.

REEEEEEEEEEEEEE

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This is a strange bear.

>>51055179
>Tezzeret builds Planar bridge
>uses it to pull Gix out of the Blind Eternities

>>51055323
This
Seriously this

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kek

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I am bad at reading cards and thought this was like utopia sprawl at first.

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ooh, will be playing this

>>51055340
Thats funny

lol, Prey Upon again?

>>51055179
>>51055332
Look at the flavour for the Legendary thopter, then look at planar bridge art, then look at dark imitations. The bridge probably gets destroyed before it can be used by tezzy, which passes off bolas, leading into the next set.

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Gotta go fast

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basically crews itself for free.

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awww, cute

>>51055350
All these green +1/+1 makes me want to brew mono green stompy.

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Haha, time for Meren!

>>51055413
Is this playable in infect? You only need to get them to 5 poison counters to win now.

>>51055413
Woooooah

>>51055426
wait nevermind, I misread it. I thought it doubled them

>>51055366

Man, nothing ever goes right for Tezzeret. His cards, before this set at least, have all been great but storywise he just keeps getting shit on. I want him to succeed at something.

>>51055426

No, and you are an idiot

>>51055340
MOVE, BITCH, GET OUT THE WAY, GET OUT THE WAY BITCH

>>51055426
rtfc

>>51055340
>roadkill

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>>51055340
>A man exploded today when he was hit by a double- decker bus. We have footage.

>>51055366

also at the end Ajani goes "Let's not just rush in to Amonkhet like a bunch of retards, and go prepare on Dominaria, eh guys?" and then everyone tell him to fuck off and that Dominaria sucks

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feels card

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male Saffi

>>51055492
that was spoiled forever ago, stupid

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>red still doesn't have any decent artifact removal

>>51055516
It has unleash the gremlins. That's not bad

>>51055516

>Red
>Getting nice things
>In Current Year 3

>>51055516

the Aztec block will have some probably.

>>51055507
fuck you too

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*collective groan*

so this set is shit right? the only good card is the black removal? man fuck limited and edh

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Took me a moment to think about this, but new card + UR land is pretty good. I don't think it's Standard viable, but it's an option.

Scrapper Champion looks pretty dangerous in limited

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This, shock, that first strike aether dude, maybe the hasty double strike mythic. Dunno what else to put into RG energy standard deck.

>>51055548
There's a bunch of undercosted overstatted green creatures.

>>51055554
I look forward to losing to this at least once.

There's some nice energy payoff and Improvise cards, at least for limited.

>>51055350
That's pretty sweet.

Zoo?

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>>51055555
Yeah it will absolutely do work in limited.

>>51055474
Is Dominaria still technically the center of the Multiverse?

>>51055413
That's insane. This and the flying pirate.

Into Vorel they go

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Really wish this could hit creatures.

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>>51055305
That face is almost silas level, too bad this isn't a creature.

>>51055271
There is quite a bit of threaten in this set. There is this, at common, and we have the red expertise.

HUES get to buy product at prerelease and don't have have to wait until launch, per the mtg.br Facebook page.

This might be the worst CGI art set in magic history.

>>51055533
>decent
Please, we both know the best red will get is something like

>Sacrificial Priest (3R)
RR, T, Sacrifice another creature you control: destroy target artifact.
2/3

>>51055602
i thought ravnica was the center

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>>51055621
Nothing comes close to Silas as far as sheer smug goes.

>Illusionist's Stratagem
The U/W flicker jank deck just keeps getting better

>>51055555
>quints with fives
Fucking checked.
Best limited bomb incoming.

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[Distant sound of Eggs players busting a nut]

It's not actually useful for the deck really, but it's cute.
Unless you make infinite Thopters and then take another turn.

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>>51055106

My favorite cards on the set. Keep in mind I'm a filthy casual and EDH enthusiast.

>>51055640
Nah. All of battle for zendikar and oath of the gatewatch still exist

>>51055640
this set is straight shit all around feels rushed for some reason. i think after 18 years of playing this game i might quit.

>>51055644
Maybe it is now. Dominaria was the center during the Phyrexian invasion.

>>51055676
Unbridled Growth looks pretty good. Fixes mana early on, turns into a card+revolt trigger later

>>51055601

What a shame this lady not being a Planeswalker or something, the art is badass, and she's even posing as one.

>>51055676
You have terrible taste

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New Vampire Nighthawk?

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>>51055645
I love it

>>51055695
Was probably on the table for legendary as well.

>>51055701
No flying, it's shit.

>>51055701
We already saw this one and discussed it.

>>51055601
>4cmc that attacks as a 3/3 double-striker at least

Yeah, seems dece

>>51055701
Vampire daywalk

>>51055701
>>51055713
dies to push, it's shit

>>51055730
"dies to removal"
Now there's a sound I haven't heard in a long time

>>51055730
What is this meme?

>>51055601

>TWO THOUSAND AND FUCKING SEVENTEEN
>still no UR Artificer Commander.
>they even had the art for it.

FUCK WOTC.

>>51055752
>MMXVII
>Still no viable Mishra commander

>>51055752
I'm fucking shocked we didn't get a ur energy legendary either. There's a dude in the art book that's talked about being super science energy man.

>>51055765
>implying Mishra isn't already a viable commander

Don't you like shuffling your library anon?

>>51055673
It's +4 mana in with KCI. Not amazing, but eh.

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also blink

>>51055795
It doesn't draw a card though, that is a rather big deal.

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Getting 8 servos in play seems rather achievable

>>51055821
Yep. Mana isn't usually what you choke on.

>>51055350
>turn 1, 2/3 with deathtouch, if you use fetches

frontier is FUCKED.

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>>51055814
With Gonti's Heart on the field, blinking a Reservoir Walker with Panharmonicon gets you EEEEEEEEEE

>>51055856
>EEEEEEEEEE
I don't know whether I'm dyslexic and it's just me or is looking at EEEEEEEEEEEE's and the energy symbols a pain in the fucking ass.

I just realized.
White doesn't have any giant creatures.
White and Green also don't have the common big creature with improvise. It's not a problem for G but it is for W.

>>51055834
Yeah I'd absolutely go with one of the one mana implements over the servo schematic if I was going to put one of them in eggs, none of them are really too great though since they don't do anything other than draw a card when sacced to KCI

>>51055876

It's everyone.

No one knows how Wizards missed this shit in testing.

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OY M8

>>51055876
They really should have simplified it like generic mana or something. {[6]} would look a lot better than EEEEEE

>>51055916

They changed the templating for the anus mana a few blocks ago. I was a mistake, and now we all have to squint to count energy.

>>51055876
You aren't alone. I thought they were going to add spacing or something to fix it for aether revolt but I guess I was wrong. Maybe I misread it. I complained to Maro about reading the manacost of cards like Primalcrux being a pain, so I was pretty annoyed when cards like Aetherworks Marvel
got revealed, because it's basically the same issue.

By the way I'm pretty sure the heart is 8E incase you're wondering.

>>51055876
>>51055856
You see 4.
Then you see 4 more by making a seperation between the 2 4s, in yo mind.

>all these binal IQs

>>51055601
can't wait to run durdle shitters over with this in draft.

>>51055856
I thought you were just screaming.

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>>51055965
You do realize that's ten Es right?

>>51055916
The better solution is just to get rid of the symbol altogether and refer to energy tokens by text only. Then it becomes
"Pay 6 energy counters:[do effect]"
rather than
"Pay EEEEEE: [do effect]"

Looks and reads a lot better.

>>51055955
> I was a mistake

whoah man, stop devalueing yourself like that, it's wizards fault, not yours

>>51055911
i cant wait for the story where they make her a lesbian for no reason.

>>51055856
Casting panharmonicon after you cast this gives you EEEE + 2 from Gonti already.

>>51055999
Too bad there's no ability activation cost that combines energy and mana. Then we could have literally had "REEEEEEE" as a cost

>>51056001
There are no cards with 10 Es on them.
I'm talking about the Heart.
Pay
>EEEE EEEE

>>51056039
Truly the biggest failing of the kaladesh block

>>51056042
In their post not on a card.
>EEEEEEEEEE

>>51056039
Demon of Dark Schemes

>>51055526
They reprinted schock, it's a start

>>51056074
Well wadda ya know.
>2B, pay EEEE
>2BEEEE

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So uh, I've been out of the loop for awhile. When did the Protoss become an mtg race?

>>51056069
When you talk about Progenitus.
Do you say: man it costs WWUUBBRRGG
Or like a sane person: 2 of each color.
Same with energy, you have one token then a dice.
And then you say 10 Eenergy.

Your point?

>>51055964

Maro said they should have, but Aether was already printed at the time

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Constant self-illumination strikes me as a kind of counter-intuitive trait for a sneaky assassin. It's the Sam Fisher glowing googles problem all over again

After looking at the commons.
White is the worst
Blue a bit better than W
Black is in the middle
Red and Green is tied for best commons.

>>51056105

>tldr Aetherborn
>they/them pronouns
>Made from THE RAW POWER OF THE COSMOS
>have an average lifespan of 2 years
>spend their life partying hard

>>51056024
>for no reason.
She's a pirate, that's a reason to pretty much anything.

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Neat. Will buy.

>>51056157
I disagree a bit I think it goes W<U<G<B<R as far as purely commons goes, then again a lot of that comes down to personal preference.

>>51056190
Please, please don't make Superfriends a thing.

>>51056214
I'm interested in seeing if a bant superfriends deck can be a thing

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>>51056190
>literally spoiled 45 years ago.

>>51055911
>This roody-poo pirate asks you to kiss her loo
>what do you do?
>kaladesh confirmed for designated shitting streets.

>>51055897
Their testing 'cards' are probably a pain to read in general, so it didn't stand out as much.

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>>51056214
>>51056233

>>51055554
But that is a mana ability. It only costs 0.

>>51056280
There's a judge thread up. Go there and ask what mana ability is.

>>51055377
Should have had SUPERHASTE

>>51056280
A mana ability is an ability that produces mana, dummy.

Are you confusing lands(the permanents) and mana(the thing that those permanents produce)?

>>51056243
>>literally spoiled 45 years ago
>>51056105

>>51055747
Maybe it's because it's the first good removal since a long time

>>51055554
>Took me a moment to check reddit for this
FTFY

>>51055618
Into my energy-based standard pauper deck it goes

Is it me or is that set's powerlevel at uncommon through the rough compared to what we currently have in Standard ?

>>51056504
It's what standard needs. Right now the powerlevel of standard is gonna be wonky but if they continue this trend of needed powercreep then next year's standard is gonna look pretty okay.

>>51056120
>energy counter tokens

this is a meme, right? i've opened several boxes of kaladesh and never gotten energy tokens

>>51056544
>this is a meme, right? i've opened several boxes of kaladesh and never gotten energy tokens
The fuckers forgot to put them in the pack if I remember correctly

>>51056544
you can buy them off tcgplayer and cardkingdom for less than a dollar.

>>51056504
I wish thinking exactly the same thing. There's the whole Consulate Dreadnought + Siege Modification thing, Winding Constrictor, Narnam Renegade...

It's weird, because I feel like many of the uncommons in this set is actually a lot more exciting than many of the rares and mythics

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>>51055560
Maybe Mirrorwing Dragon to multiply those energy-producing and creature-buffing spells?

>>51056623
>It's weird, because I feel like many of the uncommons in this set is actually a lot more exciting than many of the rares and mythics
Agree
I also feel like some of them could fit somewhere between uncommon and rare (Push being an average example)

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>read this card
>"this is decent in my Omnath 1.0 deck"
>reads again
>"as you cast"
>holyshit.jpeg

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>I'm just going to leave. You can fight this tiny robot instead.
>U wanna fukken go m8!!?!?

Most adorable art in the set.

>>51056103
or not to be

>>51056796
Why's that so relevant? Is having your big fatties killed in response such a big risk?

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>>51056544
I saw a lot of people using these.

>>51055340
THE UNSTUMPABLE PAIN TRAIN IS COMIN' THROUGH!

>>51056810
Agreed. 10/10, would snuggle.

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Is it me, or is wizards actually increasing the power levels hard. I'm all for it, but it's just kinda shocking

>>51056878

Is that you DesolatorMagic?

>>51056839
I'd say so. Hypothetically, if it only counted it on resolution:
>I cast Monstrous Onslaught, dealing a shitload of damage to all your creatures with my one pumped up super fatty
>In response, doom blade your fatty
>now deals 0 damage
It makes it from jank to 'sorta playable' and green board wipes are always needed.

>>51056990
>DesolatorMagic
What?

>>51056878
I don't think Sram is that much of a power increase. White is one of those colors that has a hard time drawing cards. Red has rummaging and looting, blue and black straight up draw cards, green can draw cards with certain conditions met similar to white but even then they have an easier time. Sram only works in certain decks and will lose out on gas fast if the deck isn't devoted to his draw engine.

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>>51057051
DON'T ASK! DON'T ASK!

>>51055856
Is there an infinite combo that will net me REEE for each turn of the loop?
bonus points for standard legal
some points for modern legal
a point for legacy legal
half a point for commander legal

>>51056990

Anon >>51056878 mentioned powerlevel in positive context.
Desulator prbly has started planning moving into HS since according to him this AER standard power level can be compared with legacy and vintage

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>>51057051
Quit playing coy, we all know it's you.

>>51056005
Or everything is XE
Marvel asks you to pay 6E
Aether Heart is 8E
Servant of the conduit ETBs and you get 2E
Greenbelt Rampager asks you to pay 2E, if you can't, return to hand and get 1E

>>51057069
>>51057085
I mean, standard is a far cry from modern even with these cards, but this set seems so geared towards giving more toys to eternal formats, albeit rather conservatively. A lot of these mechanics are just begging for fetchlands, affinity, and psuedo cascade triggers to get exciting.
I've been playing since Theros so, I haven't really seen a rise in powerlevels before
>>51057097
>>51057076
I haven't been on /tg/ for 4 months. I have no idea what you're talking about

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Banned in constructed when?

It literally goes off at any point if you have a wandering fumarole.

Its basically Splinter Twin of Standard, if you have this on the board and it survives a turn and you swing your opponent is dead.

Obviously
>Dies to removal
>Best case scenario
>Dies to artifact hate
>2 card combo lul
>Chumpblocked

The thing here is how easy it is to make it a gigantic creature with just a simple land, i really dont understand what was WotC thinking or maybe they just forgot the interaction with the Fumarole.

>>51057181
dist to push, therefore worthless

>>51057190
there are not fetches except evolving wilds in standard.

>>51057181
needs trample, can be chumped, is fine

>>51057162

DesolatorMagic is David Schwimmers Youtube channel, where he routinely posts dumb opinions on MtG.

>>51057181
Desolator, we know it's you.

Also, no evasion. Like >>51057212 said, easy to chump block for like, years. Also, dies to removal.

A 2 card combo that doesn't auto win the turn you play your pieces isn't gr8. Play Crackdown Construct, pass. Oh, you played an Ishkanah, guess I'll just attack for 4 turns and do nothing else to advance my gamestate while you chump it 4 times.

>>51057181
Splinter Twin
>Combo piece at the end of your turn on turn three
>Dead on turn four

This
>Turn 4 cast this dude on my main phase
>pass
>Spend most of my mana this turn to activate my land
>Loop the loop

This is much more fair version. I don't see it as anything wrong for standard

>>51057236
Is he the ja/ck/ of /tg/?

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This + Saheeli Rai's -2 = infinite number of hasty attackers

Standard has a new combo-deck, boys

>>51057299
That's not how tokens work. They stop existing when they get exiled.

And the -2 doesn't magically make another token when you loose the first one.

>>51057299
That's more of a splinter twin combo than >>51057181
both are fine, though. Especially because the better one is in 3 colors, 4 if you want legitimate mana fixing.

>>51057339
-2 copy the cat
cat exiles saheeli
saheeli back at 3
-2 saheeli copy the cat
cat exiles saheeli
repeat

>>51057299
Shock in response

>>51057339
He's saying you exile sahili, -2 to make another felidar copy, exhile sahili, repeat, not that you exile any tokens or something.

>>51057339
Either you're retarded or I am, I think it's you.

Cat ETBs, use it to blink Saheeli.
Saheeli re-enters with full loyalty counters.
Use Saheeli's -2 on cat, making new cat
clone cat ETBs, target Saheeli with trigger
Saheeli re-enters with full loyalty counters
etc.

>>51057339
..... are you rerarded?

>>51057372
>>51057369
>>51057368
>>51057356
Guys, it's Desolator we're dealing with, not your average fa/tg/uy

>>51055328
I guess the kahjit discovered planeswalking before they came to tamriel

>>51057368
That's the same argument as Terminate/other removal in resp to Twin.

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>Pro Tour Aether Revolt
>Finals U/R Crackdown Combo vs Aetherworks Marvel
>Ok Turn 4 i attack with Hope of Ghirapur, hit you for 1 Sac it, on my second main phase i drop Crackdown Construct, GO.
>Opponent cannot cast Non-Creature spells
>Ok Back on my turn, Opponent attempts to kill Crackdown construct with Shock, i pay 4 mana and activate fumarole and get infinite counters.
>Drop a mountain and cast Rush of Adrenaline.

GG NO RE Screencap this

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>>51057393
>he's literally WORSE than /tg/ at Magic

..... i didn't know this was possible. I have to lay down.

>>51057299
It's already playing W and U, so I think you might make it just a blink value deck that sometimes wins with the combo too.

Run stuff like cloud-blazer, blink-cat, some of the blink-instants and Saheeli.

>>51057181
It's at best a fucking 3/3 for 4.

What's the fucking big deal?

>>51057449
>whenever
anon, it's at best an infinity/infinity for 4
inb4 it's technically not infinity

>>51055830
Not getting the one you enchanted with that picked off seems difficult thought.

>DesolatorMagic is the new /tg/ boogieman for whenever anyone is bad at Magic

I support this wholeheartedly.

>>51057464
You don't have to enchant a servo. You just have to enchant any artifact.

>>51057458
That's not how it works.

>>51057424
Expedite is also in the format. I think RG pummeler is probably better than this, tho.
This COULD be part of a UR/bwg control deck with TGearhulk/Crackdown/Fumarole as the only win condition.

>>51057339
You exile saheeli with the token trigger, she will return instantly and count as a new instance so you can use her -2 again and repeat the process I believe.

>>51057483
that's exactly how it works. you can use the 0-cost ability an arbitrary amount of times to get an arbitrary amount of +1/+1 triggers

So, who else is going to watch the pre-prerelease?

>>51057299
so....
no standard for me until the next ban updates after release, fuck this, I'm not playing twinter

>>51057464
>>51057477
You can enchant the U Gearhulk and keep recasting species that make servo tokens.

>>51057499
Nope. You're wrong.

>>51057449
Activating Fumarole to become a creature doesn't actually trigger it.

>>51057471
By supporting that wholeheartedly you are actually giving him revenue and exposure because everytime someone mentions that name, they will inevitably head on to google and try to investigate who is that guy and will find his youtube, will check his videos and will give him ad revenue and youtube views.

So if you guys really hate him then just stop talking about him, the more you hate him and talk about him the more money he will be making and the more stupid opinions he will be shitting out.

>>51057505
Dude, Saheeli combos are too alow/clunky/janky/fragile/whatever

You can play standard just fine.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ETfiUYij5UE
Renegade Freighter
Untethered Express
Aradara Express
Who else /choochoomotherfucker/ in here?

>>51057511
How does it work then?

>top decks will be marvel vs twin vs crackdown construct
>4 copies of hope of ghirapur

god just kill me now

>>51057511
You are literally retarded, anon

It's not a mana ability and it's an activated ability of a creature

>Saheeli's already 5 times her price before the spoiler
Jesus can't you fuckers give it some time before you start speculating??

>>51057538
>>51057544
Wrong.

>>51057424
Seems too reliant and fragile to be consistent t.b.h.

>>51057529
>twin minus flash is too slow/clunky/janky/fragile/whatever
they've even got a standin for spellskite

>>51057555
are you...going to actually explain why it's wrong or just continue arguing like a toddler?

>>51057535
Daredevil Dragster is almost a choochoo.
ChooChooTribalTier0

>>51057529
All you really need to having Saheeli survive a turn, since you can play her T3 and drop the blink-cat T4

>>51057573
Dude, I'm a casual Timmy through and through. Playability isn't nearly as important to me as building a deck that sounds cool and plays similarly.

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Isn't this strong enough to be an aggro deck?
also 1 mana cost energy producers like the elephant and 4 copies of aether hub so the miner sticks

>>51055179
>it's a Phyrexia overtakes artifact plane block
Please no.

>>51057570
Maybe if you shut up and let me speak.

>>51057518

If the cost of making fun of DesolatorMagic is him maybe making 2 extra dollars a month in Youtube shekels then so be it.

>>51057614
???
Can someone explain retard-speak for me, please?

>>51055752
God you commander players are whiny fucks.
Let me guess, eventually wizards will deliver and then you're going to hate it.

>>51057566
>Saheeli has to survive a turn on the table
>or your creature has to survive for a turn
>you don't have 6" twin targets"
>you don't have decent card draw or selection

It's a fun, cute deck, but it's not winning a gp any time soon.

>>51057614
You are on a message board, nobody can prevent you from 'speaking', you petulant child.

>>51057590
you can also just play it in a control shell, wait until you have 7 mana up, drop both the same turn and its a kill since they're hasty
or attack with hope of ghirapur and do it post-combat but immune to removal and sweepers

>>51057641
>post-combat
The tokens are gone at EoT, so you'd need something to ping them when an artifact ETBs or something.

So theres right now 4-5cmc Infinite combos in standard, how degenerate is it going to be?

Is it seriously going to turn into a race of whoever pulls out their infinite damage combat step first wins.

>>51055955
>>51056017

It can still say 6 if it's a generic cost, if it actually required you to use colorless, then it would say CCCCCC. They probably thought of using numbers, but didn't to differ from generic mana costs.

>>51057657
Or, it will be two combo decks trying to out-counter/removal eachother until they can safely combo out, or an aggro deck trying to push damage through before it combos out.

This actually sounds genuinely fun.

>>51057626
>>51057633
This is just blatant harassment. Just please stop.

>>51057657
Gotta git gud and play around combos for once, standard babies on suicide watch.

>>51057686
This is "people calling you on spewing blatant bullshit"

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>>51057686
>a bloo bloo

good bait tho

>>51057657
I suspect it will be a glorious time for control, at least at the start. People are going to be trying to pull off their jank combos and just die to the guy playing draw-go.

>>51056796
>Thromak intensifies

>>51057657
altar of the brood/displacer/brood monitor was pretty fun, i'm sure this standard is going to be fun too

>>51057715
maro went out of his way to make sure draw-go cannot exist in standard anymore, sorry friendo
combo gets to slip through when mistakes are made, but EoT draws and good sweepers/counterspells cannot be permitted

>>51057715
>People are going to be trying to pull off their jank combos and just die to the guy playing draw-go.

The twin combo is going to fucking rape draw go, btw.

>>51057728
twin? in what format do people play twin?

Is Kaladesh Pokedex a better card than Elemental Bond?

Interested in a second opinion before throwing into Angry Omnath

I think its a bit 50/50. Scry could come in very handy, but I get more/cheaper draw with bond.

>>51057710
>>51057712
This is why the community is so shit. Harassment, outcries over progressive movements within the game, no women, etc.

Grow the fuck up.

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>>51057767
forgot pic

>>51057514
Yes it does. It's an activated ability on a creature and it isn't a mana ability.

>>51057752
welcome to Twinter 2.0
its standard legal again

>>51057514
>>51057784
Wait a second can't read what you wrote LUL regardless, the point is you activate the P/T switch ability an arbitrary number of times after you turned it into a creature.

>>51057514
Its not the become creature ability.
It's the 0 mana activated ability that swaps P/T

>>51057782
well it doesnt look like lifecrafter's bestiary activates for token creatures made off of activated abilities or spells plus you have to pay an extra mana for its effect
i think both are still useful depending on how your deck works

>>51057767
>>51057782
I think I like Elemental Bond more, especially in Commander. Bond seems more efficient to me than Bestiary. The constant scry is good enough to consider both though.

>>51057715
Don't tempt me man. I have half of U/B Eldrazi lying around but I don't want order cards for three three-round standard tournaments we'll have until rotation.

>>51057782

Bestiary doesn't work with Angry Omnath.

>>51057599
I'm ON BOARD with that. Saying ChooChoo tribal is good is a joke because the closest thing is vehicle and I don't think that's going to be tier 0.
Do we want to play Mardu Vehicles with Siege Modification, Depala, Veteran Motorist, Toolcraft Exemplar, Kari Zev, Fatal Push, Battle at the Bridge, Disintegration and only 'crappy' vehicles like the trains, and Bomat Courier? I think we do.

>>51057033
It wouldn't work like that if it locked in x on resolution. It'd just take what the current highest power is and use that (so if I have a fatty and a bunch of 1/1s killing the fatty would result in 1 damage being dealt.)

It'd only deal 0 damage if you had no creatures (or only creatures with 0 or less power) on resolution.

>>51057826
Give in to the Grixis dream.

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This quote. They know.

Fuuuuuu

>>51057606
GW energy aggro could be a thing.
Don't forget you still have Avacyn and Gideon.
Maybe Naya for Voltiac Brawler and possibly other things.

>>51057767
>>51057782
You're making a sacrifice with consistency playing Elemental if you not running all 3+ creatures.

You're also missing a scry before your drawstep.

I think Lifecrafter is the easy choice. Even if you play 2 smaller creatures late game you're possibly drawing 2.

>>51057773
Well speak (you)r word at least.

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For anyone who is interested/doesn't already know, there is a small Aether Revolt sealed event being broadcast today, starting in just a bit, in case anyone is interested in watching/commentating on it, or if you just want to see some of these cards being played.

>>51057873
Hey Marshall you dont have to advertise your show on 4chan, i was already going to watch it you fucking retard.

>>51057299
Not a bad combo, but it is vulnerable to straight up Shock, so depending on how the meta shapes up it could be too fragile to work.

>combo back in standard

Well now we have midrange, combo, creature aggro, and possibly the return of grixis control.

Deck variation returns?

>>51057886
A) Marshall isn't playing this one
B) I just wanted to watch it with people who are less cancerous than twitch chat.

>>51057860
how does it beat Saheeli Twin?

>>51057796
>>51057802
I know turning it into a creature ability that doesn't trigger it.
>Activating Fumarole to become a creature doesn't actually trigger it.
Just a neat thing like Fatal Push can target Ulamog.
I think the guy saying it doesn't work like that thought turning it into a creature triggered it, not the ability that costs 0.

>>51057916
Aetherworks shits on all of them with room to spare.

>>51055106
Does the lack of faggoty "yay friendship!" flavor mean Tezzeret wins this time?

>>51057511
>>51057555
>>51057614
>>51057686
Nobody caught that this was a Trump pastiche?
Yes, it is still "pretending to be retarded", but I'm amazed anyone seriously replied.

>>51057927
By playing 4 Thraben Inspector, 4 Toolcraft Exemplar, 4 Sylvan Advocate and 4 Smugglers Copter to fly over and bop Saheeli. If they play their cat first, dies to removal.

>>51057950
We already know from the spotlight cards that he gets away to Bolas or Bolas steps in to fuck shit up.

>>51055340
Involuntary gremlinslaughter is a byproduct of established society which is a part of order which is in the pie of white?

>>51057918
>implying 4chin is any better than twitch

>>51057181
Combos with Lightning Greaves and a random creature. Not that Lightning Greaves is in standard

>>51057995
/tg/ has a modicum of self-awareness, the same cannot be said for twitch chat.

Especially these guys' chat, speaking as someone who begrudgingly enjoys some of their other stuff.

>>51058029
who's the guy on the right?
I asked who's the fat guy and got muted for 10 minutes

>>51057927
swings for lethal before saheeli twin can go off safely

turn 1:
>inspector
turn 2:
>swing for 1, miner
turn 3:
>swing for 4, play recruit, flicker miner
turn 4:
>swing for 10, keep mana open for removal on the twin deck and protection for your own pieces, otherwise clue EoT
turn 5:
>swing for 12

>>51058074
Wizard;s community manager, iirc.

Don't bother with their chat, its pretty SJW-infested, so its no wonder you got banned for "fat shaming"

>>51057954
I originally wrote "stop arguing like Trump" rather than "Toddler" but changed it as I decided against bringing in politics.

How did this thread turn to jerking off a single dick. Just move on guys fuck.

>>51058097
who is the guy opening packs now?
another WOTC employee?

>>51058131
I think he's just a popular player/streamer, not sure.

>>51058126
everyone has fled MTG because nobody wants to be around for combo twinter

>>51058183
If there was a combo-heavy meta, I might actually try to break into standard. I've been put off by the midrange v midrange slog its looked like for the last few rotations, but if combo is viable, that might no longer be the case.

>>51058029
LRR manage to carefully tread the line between being cringy and comfy, and it seems that they are all at least good and well-meaning people.

Their fans are cancer, though.

>>51058091
>turn 4

You died on this turn btw, so much for your deck.

>>51058253
I'll have you know I'm a Sagittarius.

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>>51057627
That's preposterous!

>>51057913
Dispel is legal and the pilot is already running blue for Sahili.

>>51058339
>shock the saheeli rai while her trigger is on the stack
ez

>>51058374

To be fair Ulrich is pretty much terrible all around.

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>>51058374

>>51058417
He's fun to use in an EDH deck though. I use him as my commander and stuff the deck full of buff spells and mana ramp to deal lethal commander damage, while using his flip ability to remove any creature threats.

Goddamn, Sahelli is now at $20.

>>51057181
The Splinter Twin of Standard was Splinter Twin.

>>51055684
>>51055644
>>51055602
>>51055474
I thought the multiverse was infinite how can it have a centre?

>>51057514
No, but its 0 ability does.

>>51058857
It's not infinite. Planes eventually collapse and die, so there is an actual number of planes which can be counted at any given time.

Presumably that's going to become an issue with the Eldrazi being out of the picture, since common speculation puts them as being disposal units.

>>51058732
In Europe she just jumped from 5 to 15 Euro, and it's Friday evening. I've checked prices not even 30 minutes ago.

>>51058857
Because reasons. Dominaria has been the main plane of MtG for a long time and is the most fleshed out setting. Then the Time Spiral/ the Mending happened on it because it's the center planeswalkers got nerfed everywhere.

>>51058857
An infinite object can still have a start point

Being a G/W human player is suffering.

Is Natural Obsolescence able to target all artifacts, or just nontokens?

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There's got to be some combo with this.

>>51058885
I know. The guy who said Crackdown becomes a 3/3 probably thought becoming a creature triggered it.

>>51059011
its not an infinite, but this + trading post can infinitely bring an artifact from the field to your hand and + paradox engine can be done as many times as you have mana for

>>51056151
That's why he has menace and is not unblockable. He spergs out when he gets caught every time.

>>51057424
this and the fact we have a splinter twin combo in standard now is cool

>>51055393
Except the creature that crews it still can't attack on the same turn. I think.

>>51057972
White is enemies with red, 15 years ago this card would have been able to only enchant red permenants.

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>>51058007
There is a non-0% chance to see this happen in draft.

>>51059206
15 years ago we had Odessey and the game was terrible.

>>51059261
There is an effectively 0 chance to see that in standard.

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>Whoa, shit!
>Back off everyone, guy is fucking nuts!

>>51059101
Just like sam fisher

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>>51059334
I got a laugh out of that art, too. That and the gremlin-in-the-headlights

>>51057839
Omnath 1.0 is a lands deck with no creatures in the deck.

>>51055752
#rememberUlric

>>51057299
FUCK ME I JUST SOLD A PLAYSET OF SAHEELI A WEEK AGO
Christ, her price is gonna jump now. Also I suspect Saheeli/Titan might maybe become a thing in modern so I just lost a bunch of value

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Thoughts on this card?
Worth running outside of limited?

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Play this in Saheeli twin for additional protection? If you -Saheeli and they shock in return, you blink the cat and use cat to blink Saheeli again. Better than running Dispel, at least.

Jam in reflector mage and so on and you're getting additional use out of it. Much better than running

>>51059406
How did they manage to make extremely flavorful card but screw up the actual flavor text so bad.

>>51057077
>legacy modern and edh
those players will use time sieve because energy doesnt work outside of standard

>>51056187
>>51055911
"Playing by your own rules" sounds nice when it's described in abstract terms like that, but you know that some serious Euron Greyjoy level shit happens aboard the Dragon's Smile.

I have no idea what i'm supposed to be doing with red in this set

>>51059261
Go ahead and draft Wandering Fumarole and Crackdown Construct together.

>>51059488
I don't care where the energy goes. I just want REEE for the meme. One red mana and three energy.

>>51057954
typical lib. Blaming trump every time they do something completely retarded.

>>51059509
Fucking faces with damage and stealing their valuable artifacts.

>>51057873
trick is a big guy

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Do creatures die to the -3/-3 before or after Yahenni hits the field?

>>51059885
Before

>>51059928
So there's no interaction. What a shitty mechanic.

How do we build Saheeli Twin?

I'm thinking we just slot it right into U/R Dynavolt with some upgrades.

Here's my first draft:

Combo
4x Saheeli Rai
4x Felidar Guardian

Digging:
4x Anticipate
3x Glimmer of Genius

Counters:
4x Negate
4x Disallow
3x Revolutionary Rebuff

Creatures:
4x Baral, Chief of Compliance
2x Torrential Gearhulk

Removal:
4x Shock
4x Galvanic Bombardment

Lands:
4x Spirebluff Canal
4x Wandering Fumarole
6x Mountain
10x Island
2x Highland Lake

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>>51059885
>>51059928
>>51059938
Makes me kind of wish there was an ability or something that prevented power and toughness from being reduced, even if just for a turn.

>>51059938

>still no mill card

Please wizards, I just want to mill people without having to kick myself in the balls for 4 mana at sorcery speed.

>>51059885
Before. Casting a spell is simply the act of putting the spell on the stack and paying its costs, if any.

Before a spell on the stack can resolve, all state based actions happen. SBA includes moving creatures with 0 toughness to the graveyard.

>>51059982
you need 2 dispels in the sb, shock/push will shit you down and flicker doesnt protect saheeli if you have to play her to scry into your gaurdian. Also its a U loot with baral.

>>51059938
Interaction's bad, anon.

>>51060034
Yeah definitely gotta have dispel in the SB. With Baral, Negate is essentially a dispel as well though.

>>51059982
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/06-01-17-tOH-saheeli-twin/

Here it is in tappedout for better readability.

Pestermite = Felidar Guardian

>>51060094
Just gotta trim down to 60 cards

>>51060070
Im aware, but youre not going to have 100% uptime on baral, and having the dispel when you lose your baral could help you trick your way into a win.
>oh hes counter down and lost his baral he cant negate my shock on saheeli
>dispel

>>51060094
I think you forgot the plains for the Felidar, friend.

>>51060137
Yep, complete lapse in thinking

It's important to note you can drop both Saheeli and Felidar Guardian on T6, meaning you only have to watch out for instant speed interaction.
Just play the guardian and blink one of your lands.

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>>51055830
>this actually fucking happened with thopters on the pre-prerelease stream right now

>>51060188
It's turn 7 if you're dropping both, assuming no ramp.

And a single Shock to Saheeli stops the combo and then you're probably dead.

>>51060250
>It's turn 7 if you're dropping both, assuming no ramp.
No, that's just what I was saying.
You have 6 untapped lands T6. You play the cat and blink one of your tapped lands, which means you have 3 untapped lands, enough to play Saheeli.

>>51060260
Oh shit, I didn't think of that.

Still bad, though. It's too fragile, control pieces aren't good enough, card draw and card selection are crap.

Saheeli combo is bad in competitive Standard. The people pushing this will get their shit pushed in.

If you screencap this, I'll eat my shirt on stream if I'm wrong.

I haven't seen many overall comments. Is this set crazy powerful or is it just me?

>>51060340
turn 4 kill with saheeli and turn 5 kill with crackdown construct, both in the same deck and colors while putting up a competent midrange shell?

>>51060372
its crazy powerful if you like any color other than red lmao

>tfw supposed to be grateful for shock

>>51060405
This is my main problem. Meh, i'll still make a boros vehicle deck for shits and giggles i guess.

>>51055830

While enchanting a servo and getting 8 of them is bound to get you a win and is very quick to do there are better things to enchant.

Ideally you want to either enchant a clue token, gearhulk or a Deadlock Trap. Enchanting Deadlock Trap eventually makes it almost like a Tanglewire that gets stronger over time.

>>51060476

>>51060444
>I'll still make a boros vehicles deck for shits and giggles

You say that like R/W Vehicles isn't a top tier constructed archetype right now