/swg/ - Oh god we're all doomed edition

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>>51039187
I have a bunch of Imperial propaganda, but none for the Rebel scum. Anyone want to help an aspiring ISB agent collect some?

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>>51039292
Why don't the Rebels wear oxygen (or whatever other gas they breathe with) masks?

>inb4 to make it easier for the viewer to sympathize with them

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>>51039292
Don't have much either.

>>51039332
I think it was in Infinity comics i once saw Luke use some sorta flight mask after he had to eject out of his X-wing after the empire managed to blow up Yavin IV with death star because Lukes torpedoes detonated prematurely.

Alright, so I'm running FFG Star Wars. First session is in two weeks. What are important things to remember when running the game?

>>51039332
>Why don't the Rebels wear oxygen (or whatever other gas they breathe with) masks?
Same reason the protagonists in sci-fi movies wear helmets with lights on the insides.

To make it easier for the viewer to sympathize with them.

>>51039420
Don't railroad and don't be a dick.

>>51039420
Piggybacking off this: How easy is it to run over roll20, what with the special dice?

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>>51039332
They almost did, but it didn't look right so they removed them during the prototype phase.

I'm sure some rebel squadrons have helmets with masks though.

>>51039332
Why do fighter pilots usually need this? Does it translate to sealed spacecraft?

>>51039521
This design is my headcanon for Rogue Squadron pilots, considering how often they eject into vacuum. Plus they look dope as hell.

The wook says a Sector Group or Fleet consists of 2,400 ships, with 24 being Imperial-class Star Destroyers, 1,600 being smaller warships. My questions for you, gentle anons:

How many of those do you think are Victory-class SDs? What are the other 776 ships? How do you think the 1,600 is broken down into Tartans and Lancers and what not?

>>51039713
>What are the other 776 ships?
Probably support vessels, like tugs and storage ships.

>>51039713
Various munition, gas and other support ships. Im sure there are ships dedicated to field repairs as well

LGS is having an Armada casual event tomorrow, and I want to try out something that would be legal in the Corellian Conflict (that is, no more than 1 upgrade per ship, not including your commander). I'll be playing Rebels when we get our campaign up and running.

I have one of each Rebel expansion and one each of VSD, GSD, Raider, and Arquitens expansions.

Here's what I've put together so far, but I'm dubious about the corvettes: http://armadawarlords.hivelabs.solutions/view_list.php?token=62680&key=beaeaebd7ae2fa4d5a3c589240931b6e

Also, what do you think about objectives?

>>51038516
At the minute, they are mostly relying on the idea that the resource richness is in the back ass of their territory in the Unknown Regions, and so Sorosuub prospectors and the like don't know/don't care. They are pushing a lot of that military power up to the border to patrol it, and being very careful who does and doesn't travel between worlds. All the mining is done by state contractors out of Sienar-Jaemus and Kuat-Entralla (which is no longer, much to the frustration of their employees, based out of Kuat or Entralla).
It is a completely unsustainable situation, so I am framing part of the ideological need for their encroachment on Republic territory as a need for agricultural space, beyond the restoration of the Empire.

Got a big game coming up, /swg/ and I need a choice. Gotta get to the top of the imperial players for prizes, top placement overall is nice, but not required.

Scimitar Squadron Pilot - shuttle, mk.ii engine, fleet officer
Countess Ryad - Tie/D, ion cannon, predator
Glaive Squadron Pilot - tie/D, ion cannon, predator

-or-

Rear Admiral Chiraneau - predator, engine upgrade, gunner, hotshot co-pilot, rebel captive
Countess Ryad - Tie/x7, mk.ii engine, juke

-or-

Rear Admiral Chiraneau - Veteran Instincts, gunner, hotshot co-pilot, engine upgrade
Rexler Brath - tie/x7, mk.ii engine, expertise

>>51039600
TIE pilots have them, and I'm pretty sure they're sealed as well.

>>51039713
>Out of the 2400 ships of a sector force only 24 are SDs

Seems a bit few, also, how huge is a sector in SW? Does it have one or more star systems within it?

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>>51039817
Er, Saturday. Not tomorrow.

>>51039884
Sectors vary in size, but all of them have multiple star systems.

>>51039877
Yeah but TIEs don't have life support so they need breathing apparel.

>>51039895
Right.
Still, just 24 SDs. Oh well, I suppose Im just spoiled by logh when it comes to fleet sizes.

>>51039919
In my head I think of it like a us carrier battle group patroling a large chain of islands in the pacific, they arent everywhere all the time but can show up ata moments notice if shit goes down

>>51039943
Tarkin's Doctrine is basically that. Small garrisons over every planet with a massive fleet ready to hyperspace wherever needed.

>>51039901
Obviously they must have something, or Fin and Poe Dameron would be dead.

>>51040034
Different TIEs. First Order has life support and shielding on all their craft.

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>>51040089
But they still have hoses on their helmets.

>>51039919
Remember, a single Star Destroyer is capable of suppressing all resistance if not wiping out all life in most systems. They only group together for actual space battles most of the time.

And the odds of several systems in a sector simultaneously amassing a fleet capable of defeating a star destroyer and escorts at once is very remote.

>>51040034
First order special forces TIEs were different. I cant remember it had a hyperdrive or not, or if that was the TIE advanced, but judging from the film they either had limited life support, or they were just living off of the air sealed in with them. Their objective was to escape, and if Finn knew the fighter couldn't keep them alive long enough to get more air, they wouldnt have taken it, they would have taken a shuttle or landing craft. The fighter was just smaller and could just keep them alive for planetfall.

>>51040034
I think the TIE/sf has life support. Even if it doesn't there would be enough oxygen in there, they get shot down after only a few minutes.

>>51040098
It's a fashionable choice.

For real tho, you can't expect me to explain the internal consistency of TFA.

>>51040113
>>51040111
As it happened they were only in the TIE for a short time, but I have a hard time believing they planned to use some other ship to get the map back to the rebels/republic.

>>51039600
Extreme g-forces fuck with the amount of oxygen heading into your brain. Fighter masks adjust the oxygen/nitrogen ratio so you don't passout. It also saves money and space because you don't have to pressurize the cabin.

In space it makes even more sense because if the cabin isn't pressurized you won't be sucked into space from hull fractures.

>>51039901

Nope, Pablo said TIEs are sealed and do basic enviro now (because Rebels crammed like half a dozen people into a slightly modified /LN ball), the pilot suits are part of a basic "safety protocol".

Though personally, I assume the safety protocol is because canonically TIEs still only have like, 1 day of consumables or whatever so you can't hope your system lasts long.

>>51040204
I stand corrected then. But it does make sense for any space ship to at least have basic life support.

>>51039499
I believe someone has already edited the API for dice rolling for this, but you may need to be a subscribed user to do this.

>>51039459
So, standard advice. Does the system break anywhere? Are there any important limitations that I should know of?

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>>51039187
Can we be domed?

>>51039713
That is the "bare minimum" for a sector fleet that a Moff is expected to maintain.
So, that is what you can expect in some of the more far-flung, bumfuck nowhere sectors that no one really cares too much about. The closer you get to Coruscant though, the more value, income and assets the Empire has to maintain beat into line, so they will have more ships, the odd crazy huge battleship here and there... all the way up to critical manufacturing centres like Kuat Drive Yards and the CEC holdings that they rely heavily upon. Those are essentially 'unassailable' by conventional means to the point its just all a bit silly.

So Mr Moff needs 24 star destroyers in his poverty stricken shithole. in the early years of the Empire you'd have a lot of Victory-1's and the odd refitted 2's, a lot of relics of the clone wars in the Venators.
Mid era of the Empire, most of the Venators are scrapped, new Imp1's start rolling out in huge numbers and the better off sectors sell their Victory classes off the dud areas.
Endor there's the Imp2 and a whole swathe of other scary shit running around like Secutors, Tectors and everything else.

Those 1600 combat vessels, they might range from old timey customs corvettes, Neb-B's, Carracks, Corellian gunships Dreadnoughts, Vindicators and probably the odd locally manufactured ships. A few specialist ships like 418's and if you're really lucky- a torpedo sphere for the moff on a budget that can't afford their own death star but might still need to crack someone's planet.

What's a good way to hint that the poor, neglected astromech the party just picked up from a junk dealer is actually a psychopathic droid serial killer that escaped a Tarkin Initiative facility and was barely kept in cheklck by a junkyard restraining bolt?

I've thought about having it start attaching random parts of other droids to itself, like replacing its legs with probe droid arms and its middle leg with a KX from the waist down. Just slowly turning into a total monster. Or maybe finding junk droid parts "hidden" in weird places throughout the ship.

The droid feels yandere loyal to the party for freeing it too.

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>>51040433
>caution: rogue robots
Small system-wide broadcast? How far away has this droid fled?

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>Your passion's give you strength
>And trough strength you gain power
>You have seen it
>You have felt it
>You must break your chains
Such is Sith life

>>51040505
They picked him up on the same planet as the facility, Tatooine. They have now left for an obscure mining colony to repair their ship after a battle. Their ultimate goal (right now) is Taris.

They don't know it yet but their lives are about to get more complicated; TI wants that droid back.

>>51040158
Well Finn probably saw this as his only chance to escape since he has no idea how to fly a ship himself.

>>51039332
iirc hand waved as the flightsuit has a small field like they have on the hanger doors to trap oxygen inside. Heat, not so much.

>>51040297
The ship combat rules are the knly thing I found myself caught out on, weapon direction and ship momentum being the big things.

>>51039600
>>51039877
>>51040188
TIEs are not pressurized, but Rebel craft are. Several times in the books remember them saying the wind whistled out of the craft while they are seatbelted.

>>51040799
See >>51040204

>>51040815
huh, ok then

>>51040598
Is there one of these watch lists for Rebels yet? I like it well enough, but of the few episodes I've watched there are a few that are a little too "kiddy" for me. A children's cartoon, kiddy? Say it ain't so!

>>51040204
Hm, I guess I prefer the idea that Ties don't have life support, but the cabins are sealed so whatever air got into the craft while itwas landed is still trapped in the cabin after launch, and the flight suit has it's own environmental systems because that pocket of air isn't nearly enough to last the pilot the entire duration of a typical sortie.

>>51040905
I've been thinking of putting one together for some time. Unless a good one already exists, I might post a prototype here soon-ish

>>51040905
Unfortunately not yet. Rebel episodes vary even more then TCW on the scale from terrible to absolutely amazing.

Why is the E-11 so short? Because it's used mainly by ship-bound Stormtroopers?

Does the Imperial Army have a standard issue rifle that they use? Do they issue bayonets in a galaxy far, far away, and a long time ago? These questions bother me, Anons.

>>51040987
Though its mostly terrible. Its only good when its not about the main cast, but even that tethers to the wrong end.

Do X-wings still have shields? Because from what we've seen they tend to explode from a single hit.

>>51040987
>to absolutely amazing.
The only episodes I think that qualify are the season 2 openers with Vader.

>>51041038
Don't think they'd retcon away anything explicitly mentioned in episode 4.

>>51041038
>Do X-wings still have shields?
>"Angle your rear deflectors"

>>51041012
E-11 is easier to produce. As the Stormtroopers dropped in quality so does their armament. Even though its short it has a folding stock.

>>51039658
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>>51039332
IIRC, in one of the Thrawn or X-Wing books, it's shown that T-65 has a rebreather mask and umbilical stored in the ejector seat or just behind it. Luke uses those while performing repairs in vacuum.

It's not like masks are usually needed by Rebel pilots anyway. Inertial compensator magic lets them maneuver without much stress on their bodies. Most Rebel fighters' ejector seats have emergency mag-con field generators to give the pilot a bubble of air. And let's be honest here, Johnny Reb is probably fucked anyway if he has to eject in space without a search-and-rescue shuttle nearby. All those safety measures will do is let you choose how to commit suicide before the Imps capture and interrogate you.

>>51041042
Season 1 had one or two good episodes. Season 2 everything with Vader was great and the Jedi Temple episode was also pretty good. Mando stuff is ok too, I guess.

>>51041038
Silly anon. Those the exploded didn't have plot armor.

>>51041049
>>51041052
Then why do they explode so easily? It triggered me all the way through Rogue One.

Stormtroopers are to Imperial Army soldiers as TIE Fighters are to _____?

>>51041012
Stormtroopers are supposed to be marines I think, so a gun short enough to be used in cramped hallways makes sense I think. You see a lot of Stormtroopers repping DLT-19s but those are heavier.

I wish I knew more about Imperial Army stuff, I'm about to run a campaign and I want to keep stormtroopers as an "oh shit we fucked up" enemy and use regular army dudes and CSA soldiers as disposable mooks.

>>51041115
Stormtroopers are the regular dudes

>>51041115
>stormtroopers
>not the mooks

>>51040936

I mean, this is a setting where you can make a rebreather or artificial gill which lasts at least a couple hours fit in the palm of your hand. Giving the TIE an air scrubber and a pressure seal probably isn't hard - but making it last longer than a flight, like you say probably isn't worth the expense. So the suit is there in case you run out, or take combat damage or have to eject because you can be sure as shit there's no "backup" life support system in the fighter.

>>51041115
>as TIE Fighters are to _____
Z-95s and most other Clone-era tech.

Also, the E-11 is most likely far lighter than the big DCs of the Clone years. Carrying the latter must have been about as fun as lugging around a BAR or M14. For the old Fett clones, switching to the Space Sterling must have been a relief.

>>51041110
Because a hit harmlessly deflected of the shields doesn't look as dramatic as a ship exploding, so we're only shown the lethal shots.

>>51041147
Stormtroopers are still the special dudes. The imperial army are the regular dudes, you know those dudes with the black uniform and silly helmet.

>>51041147
>>51041170
I recall in oldcanon that stormtroopers were supposed to be the more elite branch, with a quote to the tune of "stormtroopers arrived before the regular navy troops had even mobilized"

>>51041083
The season 2 finale just leaves you with blue balls because they don't fucking answer or show what happened to Ashoka. That and copter-inquisitors.

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>>51041216
These guys? I thought they were gunners, specifically.

>>51041219

This is still canonical, kind of.

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Imperial_Army

"The Imperial Army had its own infantry, distinct from the stormtroopers. These troopers were made up of a mixture of conscripts and enlistees and used to garrison planets. They were significantly easier to sway the loyalty of in comparison to stormtroopers."

"The stormtroopers, the Empire's elite shock troops were organized under the Stormtrooper Corps, which operated as part of the army."

We've never seen an army trooper in the new canon, but we know they exist.

>>51041206
But it shows that the rebels care about their pilots. Not to mention how dramatic it can be with shield-o-meter going down and the pilot trying to retreat to his allies.

>>51041239
those are gunners, the regular army are the dudes in the OTHER silly helmet.

Just checked the mega, does no one have a copy of the Lost Stars book?

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>>51041239
No not that.

This dudes. They are similarly armed and equipped like the dudes inside the AT-AT in episode V.

>>51041110

I'd need to closely detail skim R1 again, but in ANH Xs usually explode from a concentrated burst of fire - and in the trench they've explicitly moved all their shields forward to protect against the weapon emplacements which leaves them vulnerable to being bushwacked by Vader, Mauler and Backstabber.

>>51041305
You mean the surplus guard we only saw in Episode 6?

>>51039817
>http://armadawarlords.hivelabs.solutions/view_list.php?token=62680&key=beaeaebd7ae2fa4d5a3c589240931b6e
I would put Assault Proton Torps onto that scout frigate.

>>51041322
Yeah those. They are the army regulars that number in the millions.

>>51041264
>We've never seen an army trooper in the new canon, but we know they exist.

Because people want to fight stormtroopers, not some rejects that we never see. If I remember correctly from Lords of the Sith they're just a PR thing anyway. Stormtroopers would move in as soon as the planet's citizens are put at ease.

Also Wookieepedia needs to get it's shit together

>>51041357
>Also Wookieepedia needs to get it's shit together
Get it? Since when did they have it?

>>51041357

I don't know about you, but I'd rather fight local conscript pukes than a squad of the Emperor's Finest.

>>51041338
Billions, at least.

>>51041239
They serve as gunners, but also as military police and soldiers as part of the Imperial Navy.

Stormtroopers are a third division of the military structure, separate from either the Army or Navy.

>>51039499
Use Google to find an EotE Dice roller hangouts app, it'll let you use a dice roller that everyone can see and you can open Roll20 in hangouts as well, so it's all in one big window.

So I'm thinking of in my first session, instead of my players blasting past stormtroopers and dogfighting TIEs, they'll blast past Imperial Navy Troops on hangar detail, and dogfight with some old V-Wings: does this sound plausible? What else could I do to give the vibe that the high-level stuff we see the Empire use in the movies is not the only stuff that the Empire uses in the entire galaxy?

>>51041110
They've always exploded easily. Shields block like two shots before breaching.

>>51041433
Stormtroopers are a skill varied bunch, depends on the locale and training. Lothal bucketheads were local conscript tier at first, but then improved by the time Thrawn visits the factory. As Lothal was becoming more important as an asset to the Empire.

In game terms you can fight stormtroopers to keep the star wars feel, but tweak their skill level depending on the challenge. Or place in actual specialized or elite troopers.

>>51041433
>the Emperor's Finest.
That's propaganda

The training program of a grunt on Coruscant and a grunt on some shit-ass farming planet aren't going to be the same quality

>>51041622
Except the grunts being trained on a shit-ass farming planet aren't likely going to be Stormtroopers: they're going to be PDF, or Imperial Army/Navy troopers.

Way I see it, Imperial Army/Navy troopers are like regular soldiers from Halo, Stormtroopers are ODSTs. They still die by the bucketload, but they're a cut above in equipment, training, and experience.

Just read through all the Vader Comics, loved them. How does /swg/ feel about them. Kinda feel sorry for Tagge and it made me wish for an alternate timeline in which Luke joins Vader when Vader reveals everything to him.

>>51039292
Can you post some Imperial propaganda? Or is there a repository of it somewhere?

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>>51040979
I'd be down with going over the list with you.

>>51041719
I thought it was disappointing, we were promised Game of Thrones/House of Cards style story, but we got Vader murdering wacky cyborgs
The art could be better too.
Overall, it's ok, but that's it

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Posting this again. I'm working on a Star Wars Fate Core hack. Anyone want to give it a quick read?

>>51041823
Don't know shit about fate but I'll read it!

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>>51039855
Bumpity, I need decisions. Another option is just maarek Steele with x7 and juke in place of Ryad.

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>>51041867
Thanks!

It's a really basic system. You've got a list of skills. Some of them start at +3, some at +0. You roll 4d6 where 1-2 = +1, 3-4 = -1, 5-6 = 0. So you can roll -4 to +4, averaging +0. You then add your Skill rating to see if or how well you did something.

You can tag Aspects for rerolls and bonuses. Aspects are 5 simple phrases that describe your character. Your Aspects can also be called against you.

And that's it, pretty much.

>>51041719
I like how Gillen wrote Tagge as someone who would be the right main character in a world without murdering space wizards wearing capes.

Don't worry, Tagge, in another masturbatory SF world written by shitty RPG-playing writers, you were the main hero and subjugated the galaxy with your truly clever logistics plans.

>>51041772
I was hoping for it too, but I got that from Catalyst, and it seems Gillen gave up on that half-way through and just went for full fun.

>>51041823
Fight is intended to be the only versatile Skill. The game sort of struggles when it's not.

I'm also going to point out that whenever the Force is made into its own skill(s) problems come up.

There's a FAE hack that works very well.

>>51041900
I like Ryad, she's far less predictable than other Defenders.

>>51041943
>you were the main hero and subjugated the galaxy with your truly clever logistics plans.
Amateurs talk strategy, professionals talk logistics.

>>51041900
Well that's legit scary.

>>51041961
What sort of problems?

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>>51041977

>>51042031
Invariably someone actually wants to play a Jedi, and someone else doesn't. Then you have characters operating at two different power levels. Which creates hard feelings and can often split a group.

I've played WEG, I've played OCR, I've played RCRB, I've played Saga, I've played FFG. They all have the same problem and they've all been "just not quite good enough" games.

And that sucks.

>>51041900
>white turns confirmed.
So nobody's gonna use the lambda shuttle anymore, right?

>>51042076
In FFG Jedi characters are not in a different power level. Unless you mean that Jedi character are worse then normal characters. Shows how much FFG you have played.

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>>51042076
I think that's a problem with different power levels in a game. Linear fighters, quadratic wizards, that sort of thing.

In Fate though there seem to be a few things built in.

1. Using the Skill attracts attention. It's the only skill with danger built right into it.

2. The hack isn't designed for Jedi or equivalents. It's designed for characters who are sensitive, or perhaps lucky. It's also designed for my group who know this ahead of time. I think only one of them wants to take it, at +1.

3. Mechanically, Fate has very... flat skills. Most of them overlap to create equivalent effects.

4. To play a proper Jedi you'd need a high Force skill, plus high Fight, Empathy, Deceive, Athletics, etc. It's forcing you down a very narrow path, and it's kind of a boring one.

>>51041110
IV had Xwings blowing up fast too, as far as canon is concerned.

Shields are nice but they don't actually help as much against direct hits, at least starfighter scales. This is also why TIE design was actually kinda sound, if your getting hit your dead 90% of the time anyway so just be faster and more maneuverable .

>>51042231
I guess you only take a lambda if you want two big aces. With Upsilon you have room only for Omega Leader + something.

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>>51042233
>Unless you mean that Jedi character are worse then normal characters. Shows how much FFG you have played.
I have indeed. You can actually listen to me play at thatdndpodcast.com if you're still skeptical.

Every Force Rating a Jedi gains puts them ever so slightly further out of reach of other characters because 1. they operate at roughly the same level as Proficiency Dice when invoked (which is all the time because there is literally no drawback), 2. they're available with the same frequency as Characteristic boosts, meaning most Jedi get both a Characteristic boost AND Force Rating out of their career specializations.

A Seeker Hunter with 6 Agility and the capstone of the Seek Force Power is an unstoppable sniper god. If he picks up Executioner as his second specialization, it's truly stupid.

Sorry, man, but I think the non-player is you.

>>51042231
Only if you enjoy an 8 point premium for the previllage.

>>51042249
That was the intention with every SWRPG. The result has always been problems.

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>>51042402
Well, if you know of an rpg without problems, please tell me about it.

Seriously though, it's a problem that's also baked into the setting. You can work around it, but you can't avoid it forever.

>>51042287
This^^

Shielding on fighter craft is a logistical measure not a tactical one, it lowers the cost of repair and reduces hanger time for ships you can't afford to replace and don't have the luxury of relief craft.

>>51042353

Yeah, when you spend that much EXP on doing one thing, you should be pretty good at it. What is everyone else doing with their XP?

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Is this a good fleet of not? Just bodged it together just now.

>>51042504
I would think it's in the same way as Stormie armor: it won't stop a direct hit, but it'll let you shake off glancing blows or at least reduce the severity enough to let you limp back to base.

>>51042771
Pretty much, but if you got a fighter on your 6 you're fucked either way.

>>51042851
True that. The shields *might* buy you time to shake a tail, emphasis on *might*.

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>>51042353
So how would you do this in Fate Core?

You'd want to have Shoot as your highest skill. Then Force as one of the next highest - this is a problem, as you're automatically in danger. But ok, press on.

One Stunt is already chosen for you, so you have 2 left. You'll want a Stunt like "Called Shot: spend a Fate Point to add a specific condition to a target you just shot" and maybe "Uncanny Accuracy: add another free invoke to an advantage you created, once per conflict."

Your character would first use the Force skill to Create Advantage on the target by adding an Aspect like "Held in Place" or "Confused" or "Blinded". Alternatively, you could create an aspect on yourself like "Soul-locked" or "Deadly Accurate". You'd then roll Shoot, invoking whatever other Aspects you need to do some serious damage.

Seems pretty Dark Side to me. Good luck with that.

>>51042353
>A Seeker Hunter with 6 Agility and the capstone of the Seek Force Power is an unstoppable sniper god. If he picks up Executioner as his second specialization, it's truly stupid.

The issue with such a character is XP costs. By the time a character has reached that peak, a non jedi has gotten further because they have a less broad area to spend XP on. Force powers are in effect their own specialization tree.

Or just picked up Gadgeteer and an HBR.

>>51041074
Thrawn, is when he made that jump that fragged his hyperdrive and led to Karrde finding him

>>51042771

Not to mention heat, concussive force and shrapnel from stuff that doesn't directly hit you at all but goes of near you. Something that often fets.overlooked i discussions about the effectiveness of armor (or, in this case, shielding).

>>51040433
>I've thought about having it start attaching random parts of other droids to itself, like replacing its legs with probe droid arms and its middle leg with a KX from the waist down. Just slowly turning into a total monster. Or maybe finding junk droid parts "hidden" in weird places throughout the ship.
Reminds me of this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I76BRgV7L94

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>>51042936
No, they haven't. That character is ~500xp. A mundane sniper attempting to do the same thing had roughly 35% less chance of making hits at the same expenditure assuming the Jedi is willing to flip a Light Side Point and incur some Conflict. I should note that this also works just as well with a blaster rifle set to stun, which incurs far less Conflict.

>>51042920
I'm not sure what you're asking. Why do you want me to recreate an engine-specific Pun-Pun in a different game engine?

How are you judging Dark Side? Where is the line? Is it determined arbitrarily?

Imagine Rogue One but instead of an overstuffed run around, imagine if it was set after A New Hope. Imagine if it followed a disgraced Krennik as he desperately sought revenge against the now-famous rebels who humiliated him. Maybe even change him to be more along the lines of Galen, kind of a reluctant villain who truly truly believed he was doing good.

I really, really want a movie from the Imperial perspective.

>>51041239
HAH! I'm internet famous now

>>51043070
I would think post endor remnants would be interesting. Have it focus on the empire trying to fight the rebellion while picking up the pieces of sheevs death

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>>51043059
More of a rhetorical question.

>Is it determined arbitrarily?

Pretty much? As far as I can tell, if a system has a clear set of "these following acts are Dark Side acts", players will find ways to game the system.

There are also, at this point, no mechanical consequences built into the hack for tapping into the Dark Side of the Force. It might eventually rewrite your Aspects though.

Clouding someone's mind so you can kill them more easily seems pretty Dark Side to me.

>>51043111
Hopefully that is what they have planned for Thrawn. The would be great.

I know it isn't going to happen. Ezra will probably kill him with a space sling shot.

>>51043111
Yeah they did that it's called Aftermath.

Some characters POV is/was Imperial.

>>51043132
[Spoiler]or sabine will grafitti him to death[/spoiler]

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There's a photographer who uses clone figures to make these battle stills, if you guys never heard about them

>>51043132
>>51043171
They might have a blue-ball kind of death, like Ahsoka.

Get it? Blue balls? 'cause he's blue.

>>51043177
https://warisboring.com/the-marine-who-photographs-star-wars-941616d25d8d#.p2geppjfe

>>51043196
I don't think Ashoka is dead, at the end of season two you can briefly see her. It looked like she was kneeling in mourning at Anakin being Vader, and all that has happened since, eventually culminating into their duel on mustafar

>>51043258
My point exactly.

>>51043258
She ded, Filoni said he didn't show it because it wasn't technically her story.

>>51043559
>>51043258
He also said she may turn up again in some form in season three of Rebels.

>>51041970
True. Now the last big part; rebel captive or Darth Vader crew on the decimator? I have no clue if expertise/phantoms will be showing up or not.

>>51043059
500 XP is a huge amount that most campaigns won't see that much, and if they do it will be endgame. Prior to the mundane gunman while be mostly comparable. Also the amount of situations that take place outside of sniping that the mundane has the advantage is higher. (like pretty much most other combat situations with a jury rigged HBR) I'm not saying that the force characters are weak, or that that can't do crazy awesome stuff, but for the majority of scenarios the mundane character has a slight edge on force-users because build up talents and skills at a more focused rate.

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>>51043177
Just checked out his Instagram, holy shit this is dope stuff.

How hard is it to convert WEG statblocks to FFG?

>>51043582
Hmm... now if only there exists a way for dead people to appear again in Starwars.

>>51040353
Customs fleets are their own thing, as are the "Private Fleets" of Moffs like the one in the Han Solo trilogy.

>>51041216
Black uniform ones are navytroopers, army trooper helmets look like At-st pilots/veers, with the Veers chestplate in extreme situations where they know they'll see combat.
>>51041219
>>51041305
>>51041322
I feel that the Rebels vehicle pilot helmets fit Imperial Army infantry best in nuCanon. Anonymous assholes like stormtroopers but worse. (Except for that one badass biker who caught up to the stolen transport in one episode and tried to CQC Kanan.)
>>51041498
Hangouts is increasingly impossible to use plugins for.

>>51043165
Ahahahahahaha.
No. Aftermath doesn't count.

>>51044379
Why not?
Sloane counts and so does the guy who fought in the battle of Endor and then gives up the Empire.

>>51044379
Aftermath and Lost Stars both feature Imperials trying to pick up the pieces after Sheev bites it. The former may not be great (personally, I thought it was okay, not terrible like the Internet condemns it to be but not really good either, and I haven't read the second book yet) but the latter is pretty great.

>>51041012
Because we see them doing mostly close quarters combat in the movies, but they do have a couple of longer guns for when the situation requires it.

>>51044446

A lot of the backlash is because Wendig doubled down, anon, and called anyone who critiqued him akin to the Empire.

>>51042038
>Vader defending Tarkin's memory
D'aaaaw.

>>51044480
Yeah. Honestly that was probably the worst thing about it. Had he kept his trap shut... well, it still wouldn't be fantastic (there's still the herkily-jerkily weirdness and multiple fake-out deaths) but it would be a lot better.

But no, Wendig being an idiot on social media pretty much condemned the Internet (or at least the majority of circles that I run in) to hating the book, even if some of the reasons are kinda bullshit.

>>51041331
Yeah, that's probably a better option than the XI7 Turbolasers after all.

>>51044480
>>51044547
nuCanon, nuTraviss

>>51044634
Eh, he's not that bad. He's just dumb about social issues and social media. She was actively offensive and argumentative towards fans of anything that she wasn't.

Both have about the same level of quality of writing, though hers is more technical while his is more emotive.

>>51041331
Any thoughts on objectives?

>>51044714
Wendig also doesn't have much sway over the canon. She pretty much made certain parts of the fandom unbearable for years until TCW got rid of her. Even now you still feel tremors of it.

>>51042038
HAD graphs and the command.

>>51045060
He choked on his ambitions

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Poor Obi did not have an easy life. They wouldn't even let him keep the love of his life for fuck's sake.


>>51043177
>>51043217
Yeah, his stuff is fucking great.

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>>51045109
>filename related

>>51045135
Can you imagine if villains were competent? He'd have killed Obi then and there, no questions asked. SW would have been weird.

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>>51045060
>>51045078
You mean they spared him from the Death Star only to die a little later? Bummer.

Does that mean we can get the rest of the Tagge family back?

>>51045109
Now that I think of it, does that mean Obi died a virgin?

>>51045279
Probably went full rabbit on all the lonely moisture famer's wives.

>>51045298
Yeah, there may have been a period of soul-searching debauchery for a bit.

>>51045109
>>51045135
That scene would've been much better if Maul had used Kenobi's own lightsaber instead of the darksaber. Would've been pretty poetic to have Kenobi see his 'tool of peace' be used to kill his peacemaker waifu and then to later kill maul with it.

>>51045517
I think Maul used the Darksaber because it represented the warrior mando's dominating the peaceful ones.

>>51041305
>>51041338

Neat. I wanna see more of em.

Man, how the fuck is it fair that contracted scouts have 2/2/5/4 stats and fucking barrel rolls and sloops and elite talent slots and all sorts of other shit at only 25 points? Shit's absurdly survivable, super maneuverable and even gets a fucking turret and double torpedo slots, makes ships like the Y-wing look like a fucking joke. Shit's fucking gay.

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How many people would it take to steal a Victory-class Star Destroyer out of drydock and crew her semi-competently?

>>51045279
>implying he didn't fuck the duchess a few times in his youth

>>51046266
More than you've got at the table, mate

>>51046266
Wook lists the minimum at around 1,700.

You're going to need a LOT of npc's.

>>51046247

Hold on, there's a guy who thinks he has a decent algorithm for pricing baseline stats... I'll see what he says about Jumps. But do remember the +1 ATK on that ship is valued at like, 12 points.

>JumpMaster 5000: [FAT-T] 200% offense, 200% defense = 27 [~23.62] {25}
>FORMULA vs PERCEPTION: Overpowered as balls. Checks out.
>EXPLANATION: ~1.38pts for EPT slot, exceptional upgrade bar, and unique Salvaged + Crew combo. Oh, and did you notice something?
>Guys, don't laugh... *sigh* ... according to the data... its dial was supposed to be a hindrance, making it more predictable and offsetting its "fat turret penalty." Yeah... I know, right? A Contracted Scout's stats are worth 27pts, meaning its final price should actually be ~28-29pts, meaning it's ~3-4pts overpowered. This is all assuming that its dial is treated as neutral in price. So if you think it has the most amazing dial in the game then its price is more like ~29-31pts. FFG... what have you done.

So given this math is pretty accurate at predicting ship point efficiency (I/E, it works out perfectly for ships with high efficiency and also predicts accurately point reduction fixes) it seems like the Jump was very aggressively priced opposite of FFGs usual conservative pricing, The adjusted number is a prediction of cost reduction because large ships are harder to move and easier to hit. It basically sounds like FFG though the dial would be a limiter and that as a large ship it'd be easier to hit and was almost given it's upgrades and baseline EPT to compensate.

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>>51046308
Well, yes, obviously.
>>51046364
Hrm, surprisingly workable.

It's amazing what stealing a mothballed battledroid factories will get you in the long run.

Is it possible to buy X-wing flight stands or even the specific bendy flight stand for the B-wing from somewhere on the internet? I magnetized my B-wing but lost the bendy part. And a bunch of my straight flight stands too. Though im making do right now by using half and half sticks. But i really need a Bendy part to use my B-wing again.

>>51042353
... I feel like I should recognise that movie. Source, please?

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>>51046266
a lot of NPCs anon

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>>51045960
I generally consider these guys their New Canon look.

>>51046379
It feels even more overpowered than that, but maybe that's because I fly Y-wings and X-wings which are underpowered compared to shit considered balanced.

>>51046481
Actually, I believe these guys get replaced by the R1 Tank Troopers as of 0BBY. The visual guide says as much.

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>>51046477
Well, yes. It's not really a heist. It's more like an invasion.

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>>51046564
And I choose to believe that the vehicle trooper helmets stayed on as infantry helmets.

>>51046266
>>51046364
>>51046477
>>51046576
Undocking and making a single hyperspace jumpo isn;t too hard (See Anakin and the Venator suicide run) it's running it afterwards that's important.

>>51046489

Yeah, by that math model, Xs and Ys as early waves kind of suffered from some fudged numbers - where FFG seems to have deliberately overpriced Xs to keep 5 Rookies off the board, and that Ys were priced at a premium - like they were expected to be armed with a turret - supposedly they're pretty fairly priced with title and something like Dorsal. But it's something I can see the logic on.

Here's hoping for Rebel Veterans, Xs and Ys.

>>51046666
Ys could do with aces that have native EPTs, though given all the T-65-compatible upgrades that have been added to the game, I think FFG might skip over best girl for Rebel Veterans. Non-Corran E-wings and Rebel Z-95s are in greater need of new stuff.

>>51046379
+1 red is valued at 12 mostly because otherwise Dengar would be way too broken, honestly.

I really fucking wish that FFG would just release their star wars games as god damn PDFs so I wouldn't have to wait for MONTHS! FUCKING MONTHS To get a PDF scan.

How long as Forged in Battle been out? How long?

And we already got an Endless Vigil scan that's WAAAAAAY better then Savage Spirits.

Holy fuck, where is Neuromaniac when you need him?

>>51046692
They're not going to skip over the X-wings and Y-wings because of Rogue One.

>>51046730
That's because of some kind of licensing trouble, actually. Apparently their contract was so vague that releasing pdfs would go in conflict with EA's license, due to their "virtual nature".

>>51046767
Then why didn't they have pdfs before that?

>>51046754
I think they might since by the time the next wave is coming out it will be close to episode 8 and they'll have to rush out a Veterans of the Resistance box with a PS10 Poe and a repaint of the Heroes of Resistance remodel Falcon.

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>>51046798
>PS10 Poe
Where the fuck are my PS10 Old Luke and Old Wedge, FFG?

>>51046266
In one book, Hard Merchandise, from the Bounty Hunter Wars triology, Boba Fett stole one of the ships in drydock, labelled as a Star Destroyer by himself, at least got it out of the drydock but does not say anything more than seeing it get out of it and then cuts to elsewhere.

>>51046730
>>51046767
>>51046793
This actually dates back to before the EA contract. PDFs of RPG rules are counted as "Electronic games" and may not be released for profit.

>>51046730
They can't release them as PDFs, as a PDF of a tabletop RPG counts as a video game by the inane contract they have with the mouse. And only EA has the right to release Star Wars video games.

>>51046730
>>51046823
That was the Lucasfilm contract dating back to before the buyout, WotC/Hasbro was under the same restriction.

>>51046798
They've been really good at squeezing out new ships, so I don't see them fighting for space. Episode 8 is a year away and FFG doesn't get much information in advance. If anything they're running out of ships.

>>51046666
>>51046692
>>51046754

Using the Imperial Veterans model, RV would be fucking cakewalk to put together.

x2 Gold Squadron Veteran and Blue Squadron Veteran, generic Y and X with EPT.
Reprint Dutch and Garven with EPTs. Then include two brand new pilots at the PS8 level (Or reprint Horton Salm with an EPT and put in General Merrick for Xs)

Two copies each of the Y-Wing fixes in Most Wanted; Title and Bomb Loadout. At least one copy of Ion Torpedoes because despite having an X-Wing on the card, they aren't yet available for rebels. Come up with a cool 0-1 point Astromech generic which doesn't suck ass (Looking at YOU R3). Give the X-Wing at least 1 Fix card (The simple -2 Point Cost, drop a torpedo gain a system so you can run 5 rookies or get FCS for free is easiest, but there is SO MUCH shit they could do) with two copies. Slip in your favorite selections of bomb, turret and EPT.

IV is 21 cards. This idea is ~20 cards. If you do the systems fix for X, assume then they also throw in a system upgrade, 21. Done.

>Light side kyber crystals apparently need major exertions of willpower for a dark side force user to steal
>Sith regularly snatch up good guy lightsabers and use them with ease, with no sign of any exertion
This is the dumbest nu-canon thing

>>51046886
There's also gotta not be anything new in Rebels in that time for them to prioritize like Sabine's TIE Defender, or Sabine's TIE Advanced Prototype, or Sabine's TIE Interceptor, or Sabine's Lambda Shuttle.

>>51046961
Or ideally Sabine's Firespray since it would be kinda fun to have one ship available to every faction.

>>51046961
Or the prototype B-wing?

>>51046951
>>Light side kyber crystals apparently need major exertions of willpower for a dark side force user to steal
> >Sith regularly snatch up good guy lightsabers and use them with ease, with no sign of any exertion
> This is the dumbest nu-canon thing
Once the crystal is in the saber it's in for life unless the saber's badly damaged.

They only need to bleed it during the first tuning.

>>51047042
That somehow makes even less sense. So the crystal loses all ability to exert its will once you put some metal casing around it?

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>>51046477
>>51046364
>>51046308
>>51046616
>>51046817

So the backstory here is... complicated.

We found a defunct droid factory from the Clone Wars. It can make basic battledroids - a lot of them - and there's some material already on location. It can't make blasters though.

After debating the merits of a melee-based droid army with swords for arms, our Hutt PC pointed out that we'd recently escaped from an Imperial dockyard. A lightly guarded, understaffed Imperial dockyard for mothballed ships.

So the plan is to raise a droid army, haul them onto the Star Destroyers, and escape.

Team "Retard Magnet" will have chrome-plated droids made of substandard materials. Their job is to steal the nicest, most modern looking Star Destroyer there, as well as cause any other havoc they can.

Five minutes after Team Retard Magnet starts, team "Dengo the Hutt and Some Guests" will hit Star Destroyer 2, hoping to /actually/ steal it. Team "Emergency Backup Spare Droids" will go after #3.

Team "Retard Magnet" also includes specially trained droids programmed to sound like Imperial officers and broadcast orders over the comm-links, as well as droids who've been convinced that they are excellent TIE fighter pilots.

>>51047090
No. The Bleeding basically batters the kyber crystal into submission.

Much like the Gathering (and, well, basically all "light side" descriptions) has the Force user and the crystal bond in a mutual agreement/symbiotic relationship, the Bleeding ritual pushes the crystal into an unhealthy relationship, forcing it to work for the dark sider regardless of its bonding to another, just like dark side users take what is natural about the Force and turn it into something unnatural and unwholesome.

>>51047178
Yes, and they have to do this because otherwise the crystal would reject them and refuse to work.

So why can they snatch up a dropped saber which hasn't been bled, and just use it? Makes no fucking sense.

>>51047197
>Yes, and they have to do this because otherwise the crystal would reject them and refuse to work.
>So why can they snatch up a dropped saber which hasn't been bled, and just use it? Makes no fucking sense.
You ONLY need either ritual for the first time the saber is tuned.

>>51047197
At what point has that actually happened in canon?

>>51047223
The Inquisitor does it in the first season of rebels, as a recent example. I'm pretty confident it happened at least once in the prequels, too.

Plus wouldn't Anakin's saber have started rejecting him when he turned? He seemed find in his fight with Obi Wan.

>>51047197
>otherwise the crystal would reject them and refuse to work
What's the explanation for Grievous using lightsabers, then?

>>51047277
Greivous was an asshole but does that make him dark side aligned? He wasn't force sensitive, so maybe he just doesn't even get considered.

>>51047329
he's also far more robot than vader ever was, and vader lost alot of his potentency when he was mauled by Obi Wan

>>51047350
>>51047329
This, hes just holding them with a mix of practice and tech

>>51047374
lets just all admit that having force sensitive rocks that side with the good guys, not being neutral is stupid

>>51047263
Definitely didn't happen in the prequels
>TPM
>Maul's only contact with another's lightsaber is through his waist
>AotC
>Anakin takes up Obi-Wan's saber, gets the Skywalker Handshake
>RotS
>Anakin grabs Dooku's saber, Dooku loses his head
>Anakin keeps his old saber and uses it to murder kids, Jedi, and Separatist leaders alike
>Obi-Wan takes it after their battle on Mustafar
>Mace et al vs Palps
>Sheev only uses his own saber
>Yoda vs Sheev
>Sheev uses his second saber since his first got tossed out the Windu

As far as Rebels goes, I don't recall the Inquisitor using either Kanan's saber or Ezra's. He commented on Kanan's style, and Kanan used Ezra's in addition to his own to defeat the Inquisitor, but I definitely don't remember the Inquisitor using either of theirs - if you've got proof otherwise, that'd be great.

>>51047277
As already mentioned, the Gathering/Bleeding rituals are only for first-time creation of the saber. Grievous didn't have to deal with that.

>>51047099
Stealing a mothballed ship will probably be harder than stealing an active ship. For starters, they won't be fuelled, and the mothball facility might not have enough fuel for a star destroyer on hand.

>>51047400
Still, I don't see why Kyber crystals should be Light side. balance is all the force cares about, look at the prophecy being fulfilled by Anakin.

>>51047439
The Force IS light in its natural state.

Anakin fulfilled the Prophecy by returning balance to the Force in RotJ by giving up the identity of Darth Vader and killing Palpatine, not by killing the Jedi in RotS.

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>>51047411
I think it was described as more of a storage/refurbishment facility. The SDs still have some crew aboard, but they're mostly being upgraded or repaired.

But if it turns out they're out of gas, fuck it, that'll be hilarious too.

This is not a group with good plans. We had a protocol droid impersonate Lord Vader, for example.

>>51047395
what about Iron Knights?

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>>51047400
It's the fight they have in the dark abandoned clone base.

>>51047452
>>51047439
This, the Dark Side under the current Canon is not a Tin-Yang aspect but a contamination, I dislike that myself as it basically ruined Potentium

>>51047499
That's how it's been since fucking George Lucas

>>51047452
Original dark Jedi found new ways to use its power. He didn't corrupt it, simply found another aspect. At least according to New cannon. Can't find anything that states outright it is a contamination. unless Wookiepedia is an useless piece of shit again
>>51047485
Old canon. Also, Grevious lost his biological parts and replaced them. Shard are still complete and intact.

>>51047497
Ah yeah. Forgot that one.

>>51047499
The Potentium stuff was always wrong, and pretty much everyone who espoused it fell or came damn close to falling to the dark side.

Honestly, we probably can't go too balls deep on Force lore in canon right now, this is a thing that the new story group hasn't really had a solid opportunity to explore other than some vague mystical stuff like the Bendu (who says he lies in-between the dark and light) and who knows they may deliberately try and keep the magic in and not get weirdly literal like Fate of the Jedi.

>>51047534
We don't know anything about the original dark sider in canon. Are you sure you're looking at the right page?

The only things we know for sure is that the dark side is highly corrupting, and that Palpatine sought to find its source out beyond the edge of the galaxy.

The idea that Anakin brought balance to the Force by destroying the Sith is stated directly by George, and was re-confirmed in summer 2015 by Kathleen Kenned and JJ Abrams.

>>51047656
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/The_Force
"ogue Jedi came to the understanding that the true power of the Force lay not through contemplation and passivity, and that only by tapping its dark side could its true potential be gained"
Jedio high council say its incorrect, but nothing confirmed.

>>51047542
Only after a hardline statement when Lucas was in charge, before that it was a blossoming spectrum of Force uisage

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>>51039187

Working on an AoR TIE pilot campaign. Currently, I'm trying to flesh out the rest of the PC's squadron and the crew of the VSD they're stationed aboard. Any suggestions?

>>51044025
Might as well just rebuild them.

>>51047687
The only source for that is from the old Encyclopedia, which hasn't been a thing since roughly the same time that they made the Legends split (was discontinued in June 2014, Legends announcement was end of April 2014).

The current Sith page on the Databank says nothing about their origins, although we do know that they still split off from the Jedi with a conflict known as the Hundred Years of Darkness.

>>51047694
Most of which was still light and dark, with only a few minor, incredibly tiny Force traditions doing otherwise.

>>51047454
your going to get wrecked anon

>>51047687
Gray jedi have been pretty thoroughly stricken from canon.

>>51047857
Asohka

>>51047875
Is only "gray" in the same way that Qui-Gon and Jolee were - pure light side, but disagree with the council.

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>>51047842
Oh, one can only hope.

>>51047897
And her lightsaber changing colour? Also, she actually left the Jedi and refused to call herself one, bit further than Qui-gon

>>51047936
Her lightsabers being white is a byproduct of purifying crystals that were formerly red, not because "zomg I am a gray Jedi."

>>51047936
They're different crystals, senpai.
>The only known instance of purifying a corrupted kyber crystal was when Ahsoka Tano purified the two crystals she retrieved from the Sixth Brother's lightsaber following his defeat. In this case, the crystals turned white.[3]

>>51047789
hmm, there seems to be an effort to make the Sith Not the only major darkside faction

>>51047739
I know in a TIE Fighter AOR campaign, I played a character that was best described as a Psychobilly Hot Shot.

It was fun, actually!

>>51047970
Ehh, Ive only seen rebels not Clone wars. And even then Im stcuk in the beginning on season 2

>>51047981
They were never the only dark side faction, but the fact that their history (both ancient and modern) is tied so closely to the Jedi makes them pretty easy to use as enemies. Especially in Legends, where they started or played a heavy hand in pretty much every single major galactic-scale war over seven millennia.

>>51048017
yeah, I should have phrased it different, point is the new Movies want to move away from the Sith as the only Arch enemy

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>>51047990
There's a viewing guide here
>>51040598

And you can find 'em online these days.

>>51048083
Well, the Sith were destroyed at Endor. If there's going to be more dark side users after, then naturally they can't be Sith, since that line came to an end.

The NuCanon books and comics have certainly hinted at quite a few dark side cults - but the Sith are the only ones who had the real power, often stolen from other traditions - it's stated that Palpatine worked with Mother Talzin of the Nightsisters to learn some secret techniques and magick stuff before he stole Maul away and disappeared.

>>51047739
>VSD

She better be treated with love and respect anon. A well cared for Vic will always have your back.

Anyone got any good loadouts/lists with the ARC? I really like the model and want to use it more but every time I've tried to use it or put it in a list it just feels like a big sitting duck points sink that doesn't return on the investment at all.

>>51048337
Because she's too slow to keep up with you, you mean? ;^)

>>51048490

Norra+Expertise (in the U-Wing) is pretty fun. Add something like Tailgunner, you can catch the enemy in your rear with a TL, you can add 2 hits to rolling like 2-3 dice and reduce their Agility by 1.

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>>51048551
She may be slow but she was the original ImpStar and you know it.

>>51048612
You mean the one designed by a filthy traitor to the Empire? I think not. The true original Impstar IS the Impstar. Fast, lots of guns, room for fighters, designed by a LOYAL Imperial, too.

I bet you like X-Wings too, you Rebel sympathiser.

>>51048551
>>51048612
The Vic 2 is fast. (Vic one is VERY fast in Hyperspace)

>>51048553
I dunno if I'd call that fun since it's basically spending 35 points to get maybe two good 3 damage attacks in before someone shoves a torpedo into your kidneys and cripples you.

>>51039187
Here's to you, Questfag.

https://www.fanfiction.net/s/11943504/1/Thwarted

>>51048715
In Hyperspace yes. Unfortunately the old girls don't do so well in realspace. They still have the guns to destroy planetary resitance, and the main guns to destroy Rebel scum and their puny starships.

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>>51048490
Norra with PTL, BB-8, Kyle Katarn, Engiine Upgrade. Push off of BB-8's roll, green maneuver relieves the stress, Kyle gives you a focus, take Target Lock as your action.

Braylen with R2-D6 for Rage, with Hera in the backseat, if you want a cheaper ARC that isn't the Stress/Gunner combo.

You gotta respect the ARC's 1 green dice. It seems like you need an equally or more dangerous ship in the squad nearby to mess with target priority, or a fire magnet like Biggs. You could let it lag behind by a turn so that the maneuvering fight is already underway it it comes in swinging, use range. ARC's as the central anchor of a squad I don't usually have a good time with.

>>51048740
The guy who does the reviews is Questanon, not questfag
He hasn't been around since September, sadly

>>51042305

or ptl ryad and ps 10 duchess

>>51048740
With quest MIA, I could maybe take a stab at reviewing that

>>51048875
You need booze to do that honestly.

>>51048860
In thought it was ReviewAnon?

>yfw he will never review your quest because you're on indefenite hiatus

>>51042398

8 points for 2 more health, white hard 2 turns, hard 1 and 3 turns white 3 banks, and 4 attack dice + co-ordnate to make any of the other aces an extra action a turn. Plus batwing swag

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>>51048740
>>51048875
>actually looking at the fic
Well, good thing I'm stocked up on liquor

>>51048898
ReviewAnon is the guy going through Legends books.

Questanon was doing the Pain Train: All the Bad Fan-Fic.

But, as mentioned, he hasn't been seen since September. IIRC he's a broke college student, so it's entirely possible he simply doesn't have time for /swg/ anymore. Plus, IIRC he mentioned something about his parents being Chinese? Or that level of controlling, at least.

>>51048789
That Braylen build seems alright though I'm not super keen on relying on a die roll to not be stuck in a stress hole.

>>51048740
>https://www.fanfiction.net/s/11943504/1/Thwarted

One sentence in and I closed the tab. Good luck to everyone else.

>>51048934
Hence the Inspiring Recruit option, yo.

>>51048933
I get all of my trip/namefags confused.

>>51041219
There was supposed to be a seperate Imperial Army in the old canon, with the Stormtroopers being the elite, politically reliable Waffen-SS, but nobody in the EU ever used the regular army and army troopers were never onscreen in the new movie, so the new canon is that Stromtroopers are the basic military unit.

>>51048927
I warned you!

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>MFW I realize I can't drop Ion Bombs if I'm ioned

>>51048720

I'd wonder who you got who is using torpedoes. And in that case, combine with R2-D2 for regen (you don't want stress so should be doing greens anyway) and a Black One T-70. Or Biggs if somebody is still using Deadeye. If the cost on Norra is too high for that, try slow roll with Rey instead, bank focus.

But in alternates, Stressmule Braylen is also a good build. Gunner+Stressbot means double stress out the front or back.

>>51048553
But then you can't use the TL+Focus defensively.

>>51049172

Man, I got to say, if you're using Focus+TL with Norra defensively, you probably got other bad shit going on. That's a move that requires you to arrange to spend 2 action equivalent to get +1 Evade and one native green.

Something really wrong has to be happening for that to be your move.

>>51039187

Dunno 'bout anyone else, but the Mega Link to the FFG RPG systems just gives me Force and Destiny, not a bin or anything else.

>>51049269
Use the pastebin instead. It's got a better trove.

>>51049269
Same.

>>51049269
Go in via the pastebin.

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Rate my list. Opponent will be 3x Tie Defenders with Predator and Ion Cannons (most likely).

>>51049356

remember that gunner will not give you the extra dice if you use swarm leader on the first attack

>>51049477
why wouldn't it? All it says on the Swarm Leader card is "when you perform a primary weapon attack" and the Gunner card it says "if all attacks miss perform a second primary weapon attack"
sounds like it'd stack to me.

>>51049616
Because you have to spend those evades to up those dice.

By the time the second attack comes around, the evade tokens are spent.

Which you've planned for by having enough academy pilots for two attack's worth.

>>51049758
but you can plan alternatively by having two other TIE's line up with another target and utilize their evade tokens instead.

>>51047099
This plan excites me. Sexually.

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Do you prefer Stormtroopers being elite shock troopers who are only used sparingly, or being the bulk of the galactic military?

Nu-canon seems to lean towards the latter, I don't think we have any canon examples of a generic Imperial military.

>>51050010
Elite Shock Troops, what can I say I love me the Imperial Sourcebook and WEG fluff.

>>51050010
I prefer the former, because it makes sense for Vader's Fist, the 501st, to be balls to the wall hardcore motherfuckers, the elite of the elite.

Halfway through the Darth Bane trilogy and loving it. Can anybody make any book recs? Honestly though, any EU media is fine.

>>51048740
Oh this...this is special. This is real special.

>>51050010
They should be the bulk.

Because the "imperial army" makes no sense in any of the books/videogames/movies were we clearly see TK being the large force

>>51050010
elites

I played galaxies. Getting proper trooper gear wasn't trivial.

>>51050010
Episode 6, those guys driving the AT-ST with those Bucket helmets Army troopers

>>51050166
Why do we never see them as ground troops though? I'd just chalk that up to being a different uniform for piloting, not like you need full laminate in a cockpit.

>>51050178
>>51050122
>books/videogames/movies
Thrawn Trilogy and X-Wing books treat real Storm Troopers as an exceptional threat, though towards the end there was more Storm Trooper armor floating around the galaxy than actual Storm Troopers.

>>51050178
In the movies and games we only see the really important places where Storm Troopers were actually put to use, or they're set after the fall of the empire and Stormtrooper armor is more common that actual trained stormtoopers so remnant forces use them more often.

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>>51049987
Good good.

Our group is... very unique. We never should have let the Hutt be in charge. It's pretty much this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NkLocLP46m4

But in space.

And our protocol droid is still painted black. We've convinced him to stop wearing the cloak and facemask, but he's kept the "red lightsaber".

See, we bet that most Imperial officers had never actually met or even seen Darth Vader. All we needed to do was make something that looked /reasonably/ like him based on the rumours and stories.

Problem is... we hadn't seen Darth Vader either.

So we had to rob his fan club first.


And by "fan club", I mean "Rebel Intelligence".

>>51047099
>as well as droids who've been convinced that they are excellent TIE fighter pilots.
This is going to be a magical experience.>>51050260
>See, we bet that most Imperial officers had never actually met or even seen Darth Vader. All we needed to do was make something that looked /reasonably/ like him based on the rumours and stories.
But isn't he a propaganda figure?

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>>51050283
Apparently, not really. It makes sense. He's more or less an internal enforcer and the galaxy is a big place full of shoddy information networks.

We had a few pictures but they weren't very useful, and they didn't have his voice at all.

So the next question was how to get the fan club to care about us.

One plan, rejected for being stupid, was to /pretend/ to be rebel sympathizers, get captured by /Imperial/ intelligence, and then leak that info to the rebels, have them capture us, and then rob them of their Vader intel... and anything else moveable.

The actual plan which went SPLENDIDLY was to pretend to be Rebel sympathizers, defect to the Rebellion, go in for debriefing, eat the debriefing officer (our Hutt is... voracious), escape, then rob them...

Get shot down, repair a Y-wing to fly on one engine and tow the Hutt in a cargo container full of loot, escape to orbit, get interdicted by Imperial customs, steal their much nicer ship, and flee.

>>51050364
The fuck is that ship?

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>>51050394
Velox-class Star Frigate
http://fractalsponge.net/?p=2041

>>51050394
A 3D model of a (non-canon) frigate, done by Fractal Sponge

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>>51050414
Some of his custom ships are just wierd.

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>>51050476
Compared to "canon" designs though... not really.

>>51048740
>>51048875
>>51048927
>>51048936
>>51050120
I have returned from sexile, and am ready to start drinking and reviewing this miserable thing.
Do y'all want a photo accompanying each post with the remaining liquor in it? Because for some reason I feel like that would be funny.

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>>51050550
Yes.

If you're sober enough, a picture of the liquor with text added (the quote that caused you to drink) would also be excellent.

>>51050569
>If you're sober enough, a picture of the liquor with text added (the quote that caused you to drink) would also be excellent.
If I wasn't doing this on mobile, I absolutely would. I will include choice quotes in each review post, though

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>>51046266
My players hijacked an Imperial Raider. I let them do it with 6 people just to get it out of system. Forced them to hire on 20 NPCs(they got 40 by the end) to act as a skeleton crew.
So I'd say let the small party be able to make the hijack, but enforce that to make it functional, they'll need a skeleton crew that's at least 10% of its normal operational crew.
Wookieepedia didn't have numbers for the Raider so I based it off a typical modern Destroyer of roughly the same length having a crew of about 250. Hence needing 20 NCPs + the party.
Wookieepedia does have the numbers for a VSD and its operational crew is 5881. So they'd need 580 crew members to skeletonize it the same way.
Don't know if you want to force them to handle those sorts of numbers.

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>>51050632
Cool beans. Still going to be excellent.

In the meantime, anyone else care to question our EXCELLENT plan?
>>51050364
>>51050260
>>51047099

>>51050760
In this case, with the droid factory and cunning plan and all.
>>51047099

It's not an issue of handling the NPCs. The issue is how many NPCs can we devote solely to causing havoc, stealing other Star Destroyers, etc.

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Well fuck, it's game time.
Welcome to Pain Train:Questanon Memorial Edition
Brought to you by Shipfag and Jim Beam

So this fic kicks off with this
>He stands over Snoke's dead body, toeing it with his boot.
>"You never should have stood between us."
And we can tell exactly where this is going, straight off a cliff.
Here's the opening liquor level, about two thirds of a quart
It's only downhill from here

>>51050763
Why the fuck does your Hutt eat people to the extent of it not being a surprise? Is the player a vorefag?

>>51050970
And next, this.
>He takes the blade and draws it slowly across his flesh, watching in detached fascination with his unmasked eyes as the blood beads, perfect red pearls that coalesce then lose their cohesion as they slide down his pale arm. This, the fresh rush of pain and control. He does this. It is his choice. He alone elects the pain, now. It quiets the noise in his head; it wipes Han Solo's face from behind his eyelids. It leaves him open and able to feel her, so perfect, so clean. He is a blank canvas and she paints such vivid, beautiful things across him.
I mean, cutting isn't NECESSARILY out of character for Darth Columbine, and I wouldn't be opposed to it if the author recognized how pathetic teenage edgy it is. But, of course, that's never going to happen, so we get this.
Apparently he's addicted to cutting himself, and by doing so, is able to access his force bond with rey.
What the fuck? Although I bet the force bond thing is a horrifically common trope in this kind of shitfic
And the writing, good God, it's some of the most purely edgy shit I've seen in a long time, maybe actual years. And it's so PURPLE. I feel detached horror and morbid curiosity as to what a sex scene written by this author would be. Though I bet I'll find out in this fic, Lord have mercy

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>>51051063
I don't think so?

He eats people because shows his superiority over the lesser races of the galaxy.

And because it's convenient.

And because he's a fat greedy fuck who loves food.

I mean, he's only eaten... three people? That we know of.

And in two cases, he only ate part of them. The heads.

>>51051063
In Jabba's comic he killed a few people by eating them.

>>51051097
She still won't have anything to do with him. It is infuriating, but he is dauntless in his pursuit. Someday she will see, she will understand.
>Highway to the stalker zone
So he closes his eyes and remembers her; remembers every single detail. Her hair, pulled back so tightly. He knows that her mane is meant to be wild and free, like her. He remembers her eyes, such an intoxicating blend of green and brown with flecks of gold. Like light glinting off the water in a stream. They are so very alive. Her skin … he knows it will be so soft under his fingers. How he wishes he had taken off his gloves and touched her flesh just once … just once.
[High Impact Purple Prose]
>He is cleansed; the sting of the blade has opened him up and he's feeling bold. He softly, almost kindly, whispers to her.
>"Rey …"
>He feels a pulse of interest.
>"Rey … Let me in."
>Oh, he can feel her … she's letting him feel her.
>"Rey … Please, oh please. Do not deny me."
>"What do you want?" growls across the Bond.
>"Simply to talk."
"I can't inappropriately touch her because she isn't here, so I'll do it telepathically"

>"Talk. I heard about the massacre on Lenn. I do not want to talk with you."
>"That was necessary." His voice is clipped.
>"You always say that. I don't believe that murdering people in cold blood is ever necessary."
>"I see. Then Starkiller was only filled with evil people?"
>"I'm not getting into a discussion of ethics with you," she says snidely.
>"They were in league with the Resistance. As I said, necessary."
Oh boy, telepathic empireposting. Though I get the terrible feeling that the author really is just gonna handwave it all on that logic

>>51051226
>Telepathic empireposting
It's beautiful.

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>>51051244
Oh, I only expect it to get worse from here.
Also this chapter is WAAAY to fuckin long, so I'm gonna switch to summarizing, only directly quoting the worst of it. Speaking of which:

>"Oh, but you only just let me in. Please stay a little while." He's not ready for the distance again. He never is.
[Needy space molestation sounds]
She gasps. "Your arm, what … I thought you didn't do that any longer."
>oh, but he does
"Do not concern yourself." He has no wish to discuss that.
>I'll pretend to be aloof and not obsessed, that will SURELY get her soaked
"But … you promised."
>author clumsily attempting to show thaT SHE DOES CARE GUISE, IT'S NOT BAD IF IT ISN'T ONE-SIDED
>"I did not. I said I would consider what you said. Why do you care, anyway? You've made it perfectly clear you wish me dead. What is a bit of blood when you'd have it all spill on the floor?"
...This is probably the worst attempt at setting up belligerent sexual tension that I've seen in a long time
>She has nothing to say to that.
And neither do I

Liquor Report!
Ready for some high-speed downhill from here

>>51051389
You're only on the first chapter dude, there are 42.

>>51051412
I'm not gonna get through more than ~4 tonight anyhow, since I do have to be awake before two PM, and I'm a firm beliver in frontloaded drinking anyhow

>>51051105
His cholesterol will be the death of him if he keeps up the habit of eating heads

>>51046379

Really the way to fix the Jumpmaster is change the green side of the dial to white and the white to red. Your only greens are straights.

Like, how fucking hard would that have been?

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>>51051439
I'm not worried about the cholesterol. I'm worried about the hairballs.

Seriously, do you know how Hutt digestion works? Neither do we, but it's complicated and... mucus-y.

>>51051389
And we're now almost done the first chapter
>He thinks he may have to concede that point. Now that Snoke is gone he has only one goal. Has had only one goal since he first heard the words 'The Girl'.
"I killed my boss so I could be a fulltime stalker"
>"Tell me where you are," he pleads.
>"No, don't even start with that. I'm leaving. This is a mistake. This is always a mistake."
And you're gonna keep making it because the author gets wet for parricide manchildren
>"I tend to think it is destiny, but you may deny it all you like," he says with an almost airy tone.
.....
>"You … I just … Goodbye."
"I literally can't even right now"
>"Just a little longer, it's been such a long time."
>"No, I'm not … I don't know why you talk as if we have something. That we're … it doesn't matter, I'm leaving." And with that he feels her shut him out.
Oh Jesus
>He sighs heavily. It never goes the way he envisions it. He closes his eyes in frustration. Then he opens them and picks up his blade.

And we're into the Tl;Dr portion, now
>Darth Columbine is now the Large Leader of the First Order
>he apparently uses this to do literally nothing other than antagonize Ginger Hitler and stalk rey
>apparently his endless hunt for jedi booty has found a likely world
>and flashbacks, now, to him coming back to Big Snoke
>snokr detects his TRUE WUB for rey and gets mad as fuck
>so he kills him, just like that