Warhammer 40,000 General /40kg/

>>51035956
> HELLO LITTLE FLESHLING, CAN YOU DIRECT ME TO YOUR PHARON?

Is Genecult vs Tau fun? Maximised shooting vs maximised assault?

>>51036099
Not really. Cheap Markerlights and easily available BS buffs means that when playing against Tau, you're being continually hit on a 3+ and killed on a 2+ with no cover or armour saves.

GSC assaults are mostly looking for good rolls on the Cult Ambush table, which means they're coming in from reserve. So either they don't roll a 6, so they take Interceptor fire and then get mopped up by other units as they sit around waiting to charge, or they do roll a 6, and take Interceptor fire then get gutted by multiple units firing Overwatch via Supporting Fire.

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Any Britbongs ITT know a good alternative to Wayland Games? After waiting FOUR months for my latest order and finding out they deleted my rewards account I'm pretty much through with them.

>>51036277
Dark sphere in UK

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>tfw list builder doesn't have your army
>tfw you email the creator and he says they have no plans to add your army

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>>51035913
>The Edition is a Blank Slate for You to Create and Edition Edition
How about Best Aspect Edition?

>>51036313
What army do you play? I know your pain. I play Corsairs and I'm getting pissed I can't indulge /tg/'s latest meme, even though the app has Hornets yet for some reason not Wasps or Lynx

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>>51036339
Glorious DKoK

>>51036313
We should Make our own list builder With SoB and Forgeworld

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>>51036329
The only thing stopping me from playing your list is a lack of requisite fucks to buy, assemble and paint that much fineshit.

>>51036342
Really? Well shit, I guess I won't even bother emailing the dude then if he hates FW armies.

>>51036389
It has SoB now but it's IA so no Celestine

>>51036389
Too bad I can't into programming
I'll cheer you on though. All the way

>>51036391
The cadian pylons weren't created by the Necrons?

>>51036339
SoB didn't exist till IA, and they existed before FW.

Also for some reason Rhinos for SoB are there. No sane SoB player uses them is either Repressors or Immolator.

>>51036404
That's the only thing stopping me too to be frank. No point playing a birdhost unless I can field it in its full glory, as the most aesthetic Aspect deserves.

At least it's a long-term goal.

>>51036432
They were made by a C'tan I believe.

>>51036430
Dammit anon i cant program either i was hopping someone else would tow the line while i cheer them on.

>>51036389
Use battlescribe.

>>51036464
The last time i used battlescribe the entire program had an update which then ruined all my lists and corrupted them so i perfer not to.

>>51036300
Shit nigga, this site seems awesome. Is there a catch? I noticed limited items but I have a group so that's not a problem.

>>51036464
Till they updated it.

Finally the thing was working stable enough.

Fuck it pull the plug!

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I am thinking of getting a knight and i found this online anyone know how to recreat that effect?

>>51036515
Looks like he used a thin texture paint layer on the pad then heavily drybrushed the whole thing.

>>51036530
fucking gneius

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RAW this is legal, tell me otherwise.

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>>51036579
It's fully legal, just like my 4 Wraithknight list :^)

>>51036579
Can't take terminator weapons if you don't have terminator armor.

>>51036579
dies to deathwatch with s6 two shot rending lascannon flamers

take a landraider instead

Why do people get butthurt when you remind them that 40K is about the Imperium vs Chaos at its core?

>>51036598
Not a restriction in the Terminator Captain Unit Sheet.

I mean, I seriously hope you guys don't do this, but that's not an actual restriction.

>>51036615
Because it isn't. It's a setting with a multitude of races and galactic drama, of which Imperium versus Chaos happens to take center stage more often than not because of both GW's ans the fans' raging homoerections for Space Marines.

>>51036615
Because it's actually about the Imperium (declining Rome) vs Orks (barbarian hordes) at its core.

>>51036615
SPUSS MAEREENZ being the archetypal power fantasy probably has something to do with it.

>>51036231
Based tau, curing the genestealer infection both in lore and in game.

>>51036641
>implying 40k is that cohesive.
Shit has a million different themes and many of them developed organically because the setting used to be parody.

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>>51036641

>>51036660
>>implying 40k is that cohesive.
I mean, it's kinda outright stated by Alan Merrett.

>>51036627
Its a restriction in the terminator weapons list.

>>51036670
Does that make it centered around that?

>>51036677
Well, it has more of an evidenced-backed argument than the chaos stance, which would be better suited for 30k than 40k.

>>51036579
That's why RAWfags are the cancer of any game.

>>51036598
>terminator weapons

I don't think I get this objection, Thunder Hammers and Lightning Claws are on the melee weapons list.

>>51036776
Catapractii termi captains can only take from the Codex: Space Marines Terminator Weapon list.

>>51036579
Becuase it is yerminator armour. i give no fucks what word play you try and use, it IS cataphractii TERMINATOR armour

I'm new to this game-- trying to build a Kill Team list for IG. Can I take an Infantry Squad without it being in a platoon? Or do I need a platoon commander and all that shit?

>>51036698
The horus heresy is the origin story for the entire setting and it's about chaos emerging.

Getting back into the hobby after not pIaying since 5th.
Went and Iooked through what I have, got 8 space marine bikes, an attack bike, a Iand speeder, a rhino and a squad of death company assauIt marines that badIy need to be stripped.

Don't have many funds (poor uni student) and I'm not super interested in buiIding a super good tournament army, I just want to pIay BIack TempIars (aIways Iiked their aesthetic) but I have a IocaI group of guys I might pIay with sometimes so I stiII want to have a reasonabIe Iist in mind to aim towards when I make purchases.
Any ideas what I shouId be getting? I was thinking of having a not-Jaghatai Khan HQ (got heaps of bits to work with, incIuding some nice Grey Knight spears) to go aIong with the bikes and then some tac marines with rhinos. What eIse?
If it matters, I know one dude pIays Dark AngeIs, there are 2 Tau pIayers and the rest not sure.

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>>51036793
While rational people agree with you, the counter-argument is that GW, in their infinite wisdom, didn't say "cataphractii termy armor counts as termy armor. (period)" They put in the effort to list exactly where they wanted it to count as termy armor and not one lick more.

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>spend all evening basing till midnight.
>Still two rows of lasguns plus heavy teams and scions

At least this guy looks excited about it

>>51036803
You'll need to take an Infantry Platoon, yes. It's not all bad though, because you can neatly field an entire platoon with your 200 points, giving you a taste of how a traditional FOC army is build and plays.

>>51036813
I'm in favour of it being RAW legal- it means me and my buddies can get a few chuckles and if anyone turns up and tries to play it we instantly know who to exclude.

>>51036804
No. The Horus Heresy is many things, and certainly the beginning of the decline (and fall), but "origin story for the entire setting" it is not. Too much happens before it. Too much happens after it. Too much of 40k has nothing to do with it at all.

>>51036819
Alright, thanks. I think I'll play without specialists for the first few games just to avoid confusion

>>51036813
>GW is shit at ruleswriting
Your point? There's clear RAI there, and any autist who actually tried to pull it in real life would just get declined games, or get his ass handed to him by a list that can deal with his third-rate one-man deathstar.

>>51036803
You have to take a platoon but it's alot of bodies for the points. You could also take Veterans by themselves if you want a smaller force with more effective shooting options. You can fit a fully kitted Vet team plus Chimera in under 200

>>51036835
My point is in my post, you dolt.

are "formations" ever employed in actual play or are they all considered cheesy or overpowered or unpractical?

>>51036844
And I'm saying your point is retarded. /tg/ argued the Smashfucker Prime meme long enough before you came along and reposted in an effort to farm (You)s from a slow thread, but, like Triptide in 750 points or multiple Wraithknights, anyone who actually tried to ruleslawyer their way into playing the dude would either not get a game, be told to shut the fuck up and take his cheese to a different store, or get a game with someone who outcheeses him and shuts down his gimmick anyway.

If you're going to be that autistic about it, shoot an email to GW inquiring as to whether it was intended to be legal or not.

>>51036828
Honestly, if someone built, modeled (down to the flail), and painted a smashfucker, I'd play him with no hesitation. Maybe not every time, but I'd consider it a fun little challenge.

>>51036835
I don't think anything can beat that model in cc save maybe one or two monstrous IC's.
With a retinue of stormshield lightning claw vets, apothecary and ML2 libby throwing out a 2+ inv from Sanctuary all with an extra attack from the standard you'd have to dedicate a task force to this unit.

>>51036862
Depends on your meta. Their use is pretty widespread, and personally I think they could be good for the game, it's just that there are a number of them that allow you to spam cheese units or that give you absolutely ridiculous benefits, and they need to go. Fluffy formations that make shit units viable are one thing, but players shouldn't be rewarded with insane buffs for taking decent or good units and spamming the fuck out of them.

>>51036893
He goes down to anything swinging the D like the little bitch he is. Remember, he's I1 against anything tough, so he'd have to contend with Stomp as well, and its no-fucks-given 6 result.

>>51036886
No, you dolt. If you weren't so busy choking on cock, you'd notice that your own post parrots my own with far more juvenile aggression and far less composure.

Since you clearly haven't noticed by now, I'll say it more simply: I'm agreeing with you. Hell, I'll even quote myself:

>rational people agree with you

Now seriously, calm your tits.

>>51036491
No catch. Best shop in the world.

>>51036893
If he takes the shield eternal he's stuck with a power sword so he's not threatening at all. Normal smashfucker actually works compared to the RAW cata version.

>>51036930
Can't he still get gorgon?

>>51036812
If you are going for black templars then you should wait for month or two before buying anything big as Templars are getting some lore and/or game stuff in the next expansion of Fall of Cadia. That being said, kill team box gives you a tactical squad and rulebook for cheapish price (and you can sell the fire warrior squad to the tau players if they want them). Start collecting is a nice box if you don't care about being super competitive and the new assault box (drop pod+tac squad) has some nice dollar value.

Bikes with gravguns are the cookie cutter units for marines atm.

>>51036950
Sure, but he can only take one relic, so he has to choose between gorgon's and an ap 2 weapon.

>>51036977
He can take a thunder hammer.

are primers necessary at all or can you just apply gw's citadel shit directly onto the model and be good to go?

>>51036985
You NEED a primer, don't even thinking about painting unprimed. You have a choice of spray or brush-on, but whatever you choose, never forget to use it.

>>51036971
I don't have gravguns in my bits for my bikes because even though they're unbuiIt its the ravenwing battIeforce set from 5th ed.
Gravguns avaiIabIe on ebay I guess?
I don't pIan on buying anything new untiI I buiId and paint everything I've got pretty much anyways so aII good.

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>>51036981
As another anon pointed out, smash on a bike relies on cata termy armor not counting as termy armor. However, the thunder hammer also relies on him having termy armor, so you can only have one, not both.

Where are the Fall of Cadia leaks?

>>51037000
The hammer is also a regular melee weapon, it's just more expensive for non-termies. Either way, he can have one, and a lightning claw too for that matter.

>>51037009
He doesn't have access to the melee weapons list.

>>51037009
No he cant, becuase he can ONLY select weapons from the termintor list, which he then cant take anything from

>>51037000
I think what's being argued is that both options are listed so both can be taken, supported by an errata.

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>>51037009
As was also said only a few posts ago, he does not have access to regular melee weapons.

>>51037015
The fact that its listed also implies he is ment to be a termintor therefor also invaldating smashfucker prime

>>51037015
That's not being argued, and there's no such errata. Feel free to prove me wrong though. I'd actually like to see that.

How bad is the flameblade strike force for sallies? I fucking love those green n black bastards but I'm wondering if it needs to be a massive 2000 army to fit that formation, and how's a good way of running it?

>Haven't gotten a game of 40k in months
>Haven't bothered to finish my two last squads of Dev Marines

Pretty sure I am going to try and sell off my secondary army and just keep my Dark Angels.

If I try to piece out my 3000pts of Necrons what are the chances I sell everything but 50 warriors?

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>>51037013
>>51037014
>>51037021
This abject RAW abuse an counterabuse is fucking retarded. I'm remembering that for if I ever have to argue down some idiot who wants to field this walking meme, though.

Newb question, but do the +1 Attack bonuses from standards stack if a model is in the influence range of multiple allied standards? For example, an IG conscript horde in range of the IG banner and the Sisters of Batter banner?

Marine players are fucking up 30k/40k

>>51037065
They do, unless they specify otherwise.

>>51037065
multiple instance of tge same bit of wargear dont stack, unless specfically stated to.

>>51037075
Honestly I just posted that photoshop to start a shitstorm but I'd always been a proprietor of actually good chapter masters. Marine HQ seems pretty dreadful otherwise.

>>51037093
>>51037092
Really makes you think.

>>51037120
Yeah, but i'm right, that other guy is a tool.

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>>51035913
So what do we think lads? Viable?

>>51037120
We're both correct here. Two standards of the same type don't stack, but two standards from different armies would.

>>51037137
I dont think they do, they are still the same bit of war gear, so why would it matter what detachment they belong to?

>>51037135
You're a better man than me if you have the endurance to move all those gribblies. Movement and the enemy shooting phase are going to be long slogs.

>>51037148
They're not the same piece of wargear. They have different names and belong to different factions.

>>51037159
I would literally make a tray with base holes to shimmy them as blobs

>>51037161
>For example, an IG conscript horde in range of the IG banner and the Sisters of Batter banner
oh right sure, okay, didnt read his example my mistake.

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>>51037159
>>51037164
>>51037135
Or would this be better?

>>51037175
Is there any reason not to play the Endless Swarm at this point?

>>51037175
It's all going to fall apart when your synapse dies.

>>51037205
You could say that of any nid list, least this on has 22 T6 3+ wounds of synapse

>>51037217
Which isn't all that much at 2k points.

>>51037217
Its not really that much, even less when you think its 2k list. 2k Tau could shoot all the synapse off the board in one turn.

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>>51037093
>>51037137
>>51037148
I don't know if there's something specific about wargear that I'm missing, but in my experience it has always been that bonuses stack unless stated otherwise - not vice versa. For example, the naval orders from an officer of the fleet, psyker blessings/curses, FNP bonuses, necron Reanimation Protocols, rad grenades, etc.

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Where are the leaks?

On a side note anyone outside of Europe or the USA that had bought from GW? I'm rather impress how slow their shipping is

>>51037233
So diffrent stuff stacks (diffren powers, navle orders), but you cant just cast curse of the leaper 4 times, or charge a unit with 4 rad greneds and just kill them in one go.

>>51037250
Rad grenades stack of from different units.

>>51037246
>out side the EU
yeah, i order from the UK all the time, never had a problem
:^)

>>51037225
>>51037227
Second
>>51037217
2k is the suicide point of nids in my opinion

>>51037250
>but you cant just cast curse of the leaper 4 times
That's because that falls under "unless otherwise stated." In the BRB,

>The benefit of any one particular blessing can only be gained once per unit per turn, but benefits from different blessings are cumulative.

Rad grenades stack if separate units with them declare separate charges against the same unit.

>>51037273
They dont, diffrent version of rad grenaes (like the rad fernace, or the rad saturation rulee) do, but as per BRB the same bit of war gear dose not stack

>>51037283
>but as per BRB the same bit of war gear dose not stack
Can you quote me on that?

>>51037282

>That's because that falls under "unless otherwise stated." In the BRB,
how do you mean, it dosent say anything in the power discription?

>>51037294
I cant check atm as i am at work, and am being a cheeky sod as is. I might be mistaken, but i was sure it was the case

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>>51037295

>>51037233
Wargear stacks unless stated, special rules and psy powers don't stack unless stated.

Has anyone painted up a baneblade? Any tips or advice?

>>51037310
>>51037315
Well shit

>>51036817
Are those breadcrumbs on the base?

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r8

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>>51037308
Well, here they have the perfect place to say something, yet don't. If you find anything that says otherwise elsewhere, feel free to point it out. Otherwise, I'm standing by >>51037315

>>51037274
Said Europe not EU you twat. At least shitpost properly

>>51037333
Rubbish.

>>51037318
Holy shit anon there's a work in progress painting/modelling thread

Prime it in color with Army Painter or GW primer. That large of a model I wouldn't bother with 3rd party like rust-oleum

>>51037329
Yes. It was the only way they could find a way back to the base.

>>51037339
>Implying the UK is in Europe
Nice try Merkel.

>>51037345 I'm gunna paint brush it :)

>>51037333

How, exactly, are you planning on dealing with anything heavier than AV12, or fliers?

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Would you refuse to play this because it has knights? I'm new to the game and just want fucking knights man.

>>51036277
Triple Helix are good. You usually have to wait a week till they get stock of what you want but their customer service is great and they tell you if there are any issues.

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>>51037364

>>51037377
Not him, but probably by playing towards objectives.

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>>51035913
List all good?
Should be going against mech salamanders tomorrow with it.

>>51037333
Give your squads power axes and flamers unless divination power axe swarm was nerfed

>>51037336
Thats because you remember wrong my friend. Or maybe mix them with psychic powers? They clearly state that blessing/maledictions dont stack with multiple applys of themselves.

Wargear on the otherhand stacks if otherwise stated. A very good example is in fact Rad Grenades. 4x inquisitors with then would cause -4 to enemy toughness and wipe out T4 units in one go. Gnarly, yes but in most formats that limit the amounts of detachment you can take, impossible to wield.

>>51036985
Doesn't need to be a GW primer, but you should definitely start by basing in Black, White or Grey.
Abaddon Black, Ceramite White or Mechanicus Standard grey work for brush base.

There is also Imperial Primer which is a brush base with an adhesive in it to make it slightly better for basing. you can paint this on thin and it doesn't need to be a coherent coat of pure black to do its job.

Anywhere you are doing Cream, White, Red or Yellow should be based with White first.

The other brand sprays are all very good. Army Painter tends to go much further for price compared to Citadel. Haven't tried other brands.

I personally spray Black on first to prime before spraying the base Grey on for my Space Wolves. However for my friend's blood angels, we spray straight to Red for his tacticals.

>>51037336
The most annoying issue is what actually counts as a special rule when it comes to wargear.

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I tried to go for a fluffy 1kSons detachment, please r8

>>51037432
Are you replying to the wrong person or just didn't read my post through clearly?

>>51037451
I'm halfway to my morning coffee. So sorry about that.

>>51037446
I'll give you a 0/10.
Not because of Magnus
Not because of the Riptide Wing
Not because of the Eldar
Not because it doesn't make any sense

But because it's 1755 pt

>>51037446
A cloud couldn't be fluffier anon.

I hear wraithknights are a pretty good fluff choice too for 1k sons.

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This is for my small group that avoids formations.

Any small changes I should make?

>>51037462
Oh. Well. To make things clear, your post is agreeing with mine.

>>51037466
Oh, I forgot to add, it's supposed to be 1830, but you can't add jetbikes to the warlocks in this list builder.

>>51037446
>Tzeench using foolish mortals without them even knowing it
Pretty lore accurate, 8/10 because shit equipment on riptides..

>>51037381
that's fine at 1850

>>51037481
There's a specific Warlock Skyrunner Conclave unit you baka, scroll down slightly

>>51037446
1/5 from real powerpoint.

You have two units that drain massive amounts of powerdice but you dont have enough of them. So either Magnus is a glorified daemonprince with extra 350pts cost or seercouncil is 400pts walking unit that is also illegal since all guys need to be either skyrunners or not.

Skip Seercouncil, add powerlevels for Sorcerer, add Eldar Cad with skyrunner farseer, 2x3 scatpacks and a wraithknight.

Jesus /tg/ is bad at 40k.

>>51037511
That puts me at 1862. I had to ditch the bike in the farseer to play it under 1850

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>>51037511
There. Better version.

>>51036515

Looks a lot like how Duncan makes volcanic bases, maybe give that a test.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uH5C6_TxPr8

>>51037446
Needs 2 squads of 5 tacticals and 5 identical Rhinos.

>>51037563
Ion > Burst on Riptides always

>>51037578
Umm...no? Without markerlights the ion accelerator becomes a glorified battle cannon and no one is batting an eyelid for 190p battle cannon. With eldar psychic support, doom+heavy bursts can do some real work. Also ion is bad against invisible targets and strictly worse against (flying) monsterous creatures or gargantuan creatures.
It is a great weapon with interceptor to counter marine alpha strikes and the likes but most of the this years ETC tau lists with 4+ riptides usually had majority of them with heavy burst cannons. Also having a stormsurge for ap2 pizza plates and D missiles lowers the value of ion accelerator in general.

>>51037565
I have an alpha legion list with 5 groups of chosen, each with different weapon load outs and identical transports.

Frankly speaking, if you don't let me keep the embarkations secret at deployment, you hate fun, and are against the spirit of the game.

>>51037634
Eldar can't buff Tau in 7e, can they? I thought they weren't Battle Brothers. You're probably right about the rest though.

>>51037671
They can't, but anyone can benefit from Doom because it's a malediction cast on an enemy, not a buff cast on an ally.

>>51037634
>umm...
don't do this you fucker i've seen you in this general a few times already, or maybe you and your kin have infested this place with your awful phonetics and onomatopoeia?

>>51037492
..Really?
Would you do anything to it?

>>51037671
Doom is maledication and therefore doesnt care for ally chart.

>>51037678
umm...umm...umm...no. Get thicker skin.

>>51037650
I hate this meme

>>51037731
why don't you post smileys and acronyms and awful memes while you're at it you filthy heretic scum

>>51037679
>>51037492
>>51037381
no it isn't
1 low at 2000 points is edging it
4/6th of your point cost is a lord of war

>>51036437
But the C'taan are sharded.

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Just a list I've been playing about with for a friendly casual doubles game.
I say casual, my ally and one of my opponents will probably cram some pretty tough forge world units in. I had a Dimachaeron dropped on me last time they ran nids.

Rune priests will all be using Tempestus for primaris of Living Lightning (STR 7 Assault 3 with shock - to hit rolls of 6 give 3 hits instead of 1.)

No idea who my ally or one of the opponents is using, but one of the opponents is Blood Angels with a tac squad, some sniper scouts, a few bikes, a couple dreadnoughts, a leviathan and a land raider.

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Can any Chaos players suggest a 1500 Iron Warriors list from a spare Dark Vengeance? Termies can be greenstuffed to Obliterators/Mutilators.

>>51037747
Have you seen what the acheron can do?

>>51037650
There are games that are designed to have hidden information. Perhaps you should play one of those?

>>51037774
>>51037650
KEK, what have I done!

Optimal lasgun number at 2K?

>>51037782
What have you done?

>>51037786
>2K
Anon, that IS your optimal lasgun number

>>51037795
I already own 47. Why do I feel like that's not enough?

>>51037809
Because it's not. Any Imperial general worth his salt packs enough lasguns to invalidate the very concept of night fighting.

>>51037786
Main thing is probably just to have a full blob of 50 to take advantage of orders. Other lasguns are incidental and don't really need to be a goal.

>>51037816
Completely invalidate the concept of night itself, more like.

>>51037773
i know it's rules
haven't seen it in action yet though
regardless that many points in lords of war is disgusting for anything but tournament play or apoc

>>51037736
Yeah, I hate the spirit of 40k meme too.

>>51037809
because a squad of conscripts is 50 alone and that doesn't even account for the 50 man infantry blob , the 10 vets , the SWS , the PCS and the CCS

>>51037774
I suppose for the same reason you don't play a game that requires perfect information.

>>51037650
how about you only get to look at the battlefield from the pov of your commander at the same time and get to command movement trough a drawn out map of the table ?

>>51037826
I'm brand new to the gaming aspect but I've been painting minis for around 15 years and have friends that are the complete opposite. I'll be learning from these people, those who place frequently in Ard boyz, Nova, 11th Company etc so would this not be a list to learn with?

>>51037756
CAD with Lord, the 5 "Oblits" as troops, and the marines converted into two squads of Autocannon Havocs. Use the HelBrute and Cultists as the Helcult formation from the Helbrutes dataslate. Chosen are kinda ass for IW and I'm not sure what you use the models for.

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>>51037446
I played against a no fun allowed Tau army a few weeks ago with a riptide wing and a stealthbullshitinthereararmor formations among other things, as Chaos pre-legions.

I never realized how cheap those walking fun hating ripshits were.

>>51037862
I was thinking of using the cultists with the chosen (as simple CSM) for an Alpha Legion Kill Team but I had totally forgotten about their use in Helcult, seems like a sexy list.

What was the meme name given to the Xbox Huge Mechanicus dude and the hot Inquisitor?

Celestine got the fat Saint. (Still wondering why SoS got the bee waist while SoB got the "realistic" armour waist)

>>51037818
>>51037831
Yeah I guess ill need ANOTHER case now. I got a nice one with three 9x5 foam trays in it and it barely fits all my infantry.

>>51037838
Nah, I really enjoy Magic, Infinity, etc. but those games are designed for the misdirection and in the case of Infinity you pay for it. This is just cheating because it's "fluffy" and using social pressure to normalize it. "Many heads of the Hydra" is an awesome fluffy rule, cheating is not so much. Deployment is open information. At the very least you should be declaring which squad is in which transport at deployment and then hope the opponent fails to keep track of which of your "identical" rhinos are which. That said, if your opponent is fine with it then who cares.

Abby's gonna have a new model, primarch sized. Expect it "soon" (2nd or 3rd Gathering Storm).

Source: a fucking ultrabronnie.

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Is this retarded or what?

>>51037928
Cool. He really needs better model and more badass reprensation in lore.

>>51037193
The many, many hours need to assemble, paint, pack, unpack, field, move and repack all those models.

>>51037980
Hope he gets new rules too.

>>51036432
Probably, but if you think admech are assholes that won't share, Necrons crypteks are worst.

>>51037855
definitely not
the 20% rule for lords of war that 30k has is pretty good measuring stick (your low can't cost more than 20% of your total point costs)
the problem with this list is that any army that doesn't spam AT is gonna lose , any army that does is going to win it doesn't give much leeway , either its a total victory or a crushing defeat
Most people don't find it very fun to play against because of this

>>51037925
Actually, I'm not cheating. There is no rule that requires me to inform my opponent what is in a transport. Obviously the information has to be definite, which is why paper is used to record it.

The only arguments against me doing so are social pressure. "sportsmanship", "the spirit of 40k" etc. It's all subjective bullshit, just as easily used to support my behavior as antagonize it.

>>51038009
Not this shit again.

Recovering taufag here! Just starting night lords, and was wondering if havoc should have missiles or autocannons?

>>51038009
You have to tell them which "identical" Rhino from your list it is when you deploy it. And since it's a dedicated transport, the corresponding squad is the only one that can be inside.

>>51038009
>you again
Your list is required to note which transport is which squad's DT. and because of that, you have to tell me that when I ask. So, by the process of deduction, I can infer which squad is embarked within each transport, and if you've left any transport empty I can infer that from the whereabouts of any errant squads.

>>51038089
This is actually the only convincing argument I've seen against this, although I'm sure the unit could start inside a non-designated transport.

>>51037135
>tyranids
>viable

nice b8 m8

>>51038116
No you mongoloid you specifically can't have a unit start in a vehicle that's not a dedicated transport.

So how are the GSC's summoning abilities? Would it be reliable enough to build an army based on cheesing that?

I heard you can end up using apocalypse levels of models in an 1850 game with Numbers Beyond Counting and properly applied summoning abilities.

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Rate my World Eaters

>>51038089
>>51038113
Who said anything about dedicated transports?

>>51038137
Page 132 of the brb, deployment. Read nigga.

>>51038168
How are you getting a non-dedicated Rhino?

Duncan on Stream soon anons
Praise Be!

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Someone say Lasguns? I have been summoned to the thread at the mere mention of them.
Show me those big seven inch lasguns fellow Guard anons

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>Being an Emperor's Children
>Adversary bring a lot of S8 ap3 to counter my marines with FNP
>Rapture Battalion
>Roll a 5 on the drug table
>All my army is now T5
>mfw his frustration when i roll my 4+ FNP is just so delicious

>>51038203
how many colours did you use on that tank anon

>>51038194
They're a fast attack choice you dingus.

>>51038166
>that entire list
>confusion.jpeg
give the glave tro a DP, becusae that lord is BEGGING to be tarpitted/ID
why so many extra havoks/chosen? why a combi-weapon on the sergent og the chosen when he can take a normal special weapon?
why 12 raptors? why do you have a 10 man CSM squad, why why why?

>>51038224
Not in Chaos.

>>51038221
>grey
>silver
>dark grey
it passes the 3 colour test

>>51037406
Looks fine to me plenty of anti tank.

>>51038137
>Thinks units can never start in flyers

You fucking moron.

>>51038221
I'm a kinky boy I love having all my shades of Grey.
;-)

>>51038203
did you paint over the silver edge on your bases anon?
good on you , looks much better already

>>51038239
>Not in Chaos.

I don't understand why they'd deny CSM that, but ok, he's definitely cheating.

>>51038269
CSM's book is just old. Everything used to be that way.

>>51038078
both

>>51038248
Stop trying to cheat and calling it tactical genius.
If your dudes are not inside a dedicated transport. Then they are inside the flayers.

Since you know anything deepstriking, entering by reserve or being outside of the table must be mention before hand.

Stop trying to cheat you asshole.

>>51038224
The funny thing is, if someone wanted to buy non-Obsec FA Rhinos in their CADs to try to play a shell game, they'd just be shooting themselves in the foot.

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>>51038254
Yes I did anon. That was just an old pic. I painted the rims black and put on some Agrax on the bases too. Here's a pic of them after they stabbed a Nurgle Sorcerer repeatedly.

>>51037477
You could probably drop the Carapace on the Company Commander. He's riding around in a taxi if it blows up then he's unlikely to be saved by the armour. Also add a vox caster to the CCS.

You could blob your guard platoon and get rid of 3 vox casters. I'd run both veterans as Melta vets with one heavy flamer each in case somebody gets close.

Maybe kit out the exterminator with heavy bolter sponsons if you want dedicated anti infantry.

You could also just have the tempestus from the guard instead of taking a whole new CAD. Means you can drop the Lord commissar, shove a regular bare bones commissar into the blob. Save yourself 60pts or so.

>>51038278
Are sky fire missiles needed or is a hell drake enough anti-flyer?

>>51038287
So his CSM example is now clearly cheating, but codex marines could have e.g. three tactical squads with designated rhinos and three fast attack rhinos, and while you'd have to say which rhinos were DTs, each unit would then have 4 rhinos they could possibly be in.

I think that scenario is RAW justifiable (like so many other sins), but the only place a list wasting points like that has a chance is in casual play, so I understand why people are objecting to tryharding.

>>51037674
>>51038221
Some paint is better than no paint. : ^)

>>51038078
Autocannons. The 7th ed. Vehicle damage table isn't friendly to MLs.

>>51038315
Heldrake is fine. A lot of people go without any dedicated anti-flyer.

>>51038326
Some posts are better than no posts. :-S
Not yours :'(

>>51038329
I was hoping I could avoid forge world, oh well. Thanks!

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Does anyone have some good Thousand Sons reaction images or memes? I kinda lost mine after getting a new laptop

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Any rules leak from Fall of Cadia?

I'm stoked for St. qt

>>51038320
Indeed. The only way he can hide what shit is inside. Is by buying empty transports.
That is a waste of point and like you say in casual play only. So the waacfagging in a casual game even if competitive is a dick move. Just to scream outloud his tactical genius.

Fucking asshole.

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>>51038349
Almost none, sorry.

>>51038360
Nothing yet I want the rules for idiotic 5 models with 3 different faction.

I can spread the cost with other people but if the any of the characters sucks ass it is going to be hard to sell.

Since no leak I assume they all suck

I'm probably just a retard, but where can I find the traits specific to different legions etc?
I've got the ones for the traitor legions in that book, but what about space marines or other groups of CSM? I can't find it in the faction codex.

>>51038388
>if the any of the characters sucks ass it is going to be hard to sell
I doubt celestine or land train man are going to be hard sells. The inquisitor gets a free card on being the first plastic inquisitor and also possessing tits, so I doubt anyone will have a problem using her even if the rules suck.

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>>51037477
How id change it.

>>51038348
>I could avoid forge world,
Well you'd kind need to anyway unless you just have a bunch of ML bits sitting around. The "official" Havoc box is crap and comes with a mix of single weapons, The CSM troop box comes with a HB, and even buying loyalist Devastators only gets you two MLs. Just grabbing Forgeworld Autocannons and using them on normal CSM is probably the cheapest option.

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>>51038349

>>51038391
Well I play Not! SoB with Inquisition and my friend plays Scion with Skitarii/Mechanicus

For me the Saint and the inquisitor are an easy sale. The Mechanicus dude? Well guess I'll end having a nice paper weight in case I do not find anyone to sell it.

Third world is a bitch to try and sell shit.

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>>51038349

Do general Tzeentch memes count?

>>51038400
dont mix melta and flamer on vets, I've always thought eradicators were a bit shit, put some P.Axes on the guardblob/maybe a priest if you're planning on using them for assault, if you're gonna run Scions like that might as well use a Hellrain Brigade n use a squad of them for recyclable meltas whilst the Scion CS sits in cover pelting things with Plasma. Bar your veterans (which WILL die) you have literally nothing to deal with anything above AV12

Any denizens of Commoragh here excited for the new Gangs of Commoragh board game?

Any news on when it will be released? I hear its stand alone and won't add any new rules to 40k but the prospect of any new Dark Eldar release is exciting.

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>>51038349

>>51038437
I'd say no, but better some memes than little to none.
>>51038424
>>51038387
>>51038455
Thank you anons.

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>>51038349

>>51038419
I have a calth box, and was debating buying a second because MkIV is best armor

>>51038387

Those are more feminine than the SoB models

So what is the consensus on hunter cadres versus retaliation cadres?

Does anyone know where I can get a copy of the GW apocalypse book? It's not listed in the links at the top.

Also, what are some good resources for building cover/terrain?

>>51038564
Combined Arms Detachment

>>51038453
Might be cool. But it wont have any new models so my excitement is limited.

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>>51038349

>>51037747
thats all well and good with the lord of war being no more than 25%.....but these arent overpowered lords of war.....they were designed to be ran as 3 for te entire army... like with nothing else included. its fine. I would play against 3 at 1250 and give no shits

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>>51038349

>>51038631
>t. shitter who has never played against the Acheron

>>51038593

Got to take what we can get, and any new DE release suggests future attention in one war or another.

>>51038228
Combi weapon an oversight. Chosen and havovs to fill up warband and add extra special guns and the odd raptors to fill up points.

Whats the best way to use a jugger lord then?

From Bolter and Chainsword:
>Ok, so I've had a 'conversation' and am going to share a few tidbits:
>
>-From what I understood the book will actually feature most if not all Ad Mech units from Skitarii and Cult.
>-There is a big AdMech formation that includes a Knight, one of the Bonuses is weapons lose "Gets Hot" This may well be the War Convocation from the old WD.
>-Trazyn is indeed in the book, and he's an ally to Imperials though I couldn't confirm if this was just during Campaign Missions or through a formation.
>-In the book there are missions that are very similar to those in AoS - another hint at the direction GW will undertake with 40k
>
>Now the more interesting stuff:
>
>-This Black Crusade will be a grand undertaking by GW and will see about 2 years worth of book and model releases.
>-Abaddon is getting a new model, likely in the next book or the one after. He is the same size, roughly, as a 30k Primarch. Actually he's about the same height as Guilliman on his smaller game base.

>>51038699
Jugger lord is best with the axe of blind furry, ideally with either bikers or dogs. bikers with MoK and he banner, in the spcial detachment remeber get to
>move 2d6 before the first turn
>move 12
>re-roll chage distances
>have 4 str 5 attacks each +1 HoW attack each
>can take 2 special weapons, and of course, are T5

raptors on the other hand, are only good in 5-man-2-meltagun squads, as they are squishy like normal marines, and dont get jink.
Dont double up on havoks, or chosen, they are very expencive, even more spawn is a better investment

>>51038700
So no updating metal models.

Fucking sucks. Also AoS was a mistake, bring fantasy back

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>>51038349
>tfw Fenris just will not burn

Which book are the rules for all of the baneblade variants in?

>>51038833
Mont'ka has all of them except the Stormblade which is in IA1 2nd edition

>>51038833
Escalation and Apocalypse.

>>51038859
>>51038865
Are they the same in all of these, or is one of these the newest/updated version?

>>51035913
Can formations be included as part of a Combined Arms Detachment?

For example, if I run a First Curse Formation in Genestealer Cults, can I have the Patriarch in that Formation also count as my required HQ for CAD and also be my Warlord?

>>51038880
Mont'ka is most recent but their rules have been pretty much unchanged since Apocalypse (6th ed) if not before.

>>51038883
No.

>>51038883
No. A CAD only allows you to include units.

>>51038748
I need the havocs and chosen as warband tax, so i could instead throw in termies and a hellbrute to fill up the requirements.
Though fuck hellbrutes I'd rather minimise the havocs and equip them with some long range weapons.

will i have to endure eternal scrutiny if i don't base my dudes? i like the idea of barbwire trench hell with sandbags for my heavy weapons (guard) but beyond that probably not

>>51038631
>i would play against 3 at 1250
yeah if i knew someone was being a fag and bringing them all because then my list would be all meltas and i'dd give 0 fucks
if that goes up against my cookie cutter build then i'm fucked because all he has to do is take out my limited AT options (which at 1250 will eb rather limited) and i'm fucked

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>>51038700
>Rumour by Ishagu, the dude that said the new BaC-like box would have Breachers and Assault Marines.

>>51039048
Magnetize the bases, so you can use them when appropriate.

>>51038909
>>51038932
Ah okay. Does that also mean he can't be my warlord?

>>51039205
No

>>51039205
Your warlord can be any character from your primary detachment, which doesn't have to be your CAD

>>51038956
Chosen are better than termintors, though you can run a melta-termicide squad (3 termintors with combi-melta, no other upgrades) for ~70 points cheaper than an effective melta chosen squad (5 chosen, 5 melta guns, +rhnio).

as for havoks, they can be good, if you have a min squad with auto cannons, plonk them in 4++ cover, and they will do alright. Helbrutes are so-so, but they are cheap. in that case it comes down to personal taste, but dont add more bodies to the havoks.

>Though fuck hellbrutes I'd rather minimise the havocs and equip them with some long range weapons.

ah, yeah, do that.

>>51039048
just base them , it doesn't take long (aside from waiting for the texture paint to dry but assembly line painting helps) and adds a lot of character
especially if you're like me and you get some paint on your bases which makes it look dirty if you don't go over it

>>51036464

A guy at my store had a mental breakdown when they updated and corrupted all his lists, he had ... Dozens? Scores? Hundreds? He's a bit special but yeah i'm not doing that only to have the twatty creator wreck all my shit

>>51039259
Just export them as documents.

>>51039259
>Not doing triple backup in this age of faulty products.

Idiot

>>51038956
>>51039236
But according to the anon from last thread, if you take three Hellbrutes in a formation outside of your Decurion so you can Deepstrike them, all your problems are solved!

>>51037928
>>51038700
armless confirmed

>>51036464
>>51036480
>>51036389
>>51036313
Are none of you guys capable of working with a pen and pad?
It's really not that difficult.

>>51039327
Yes. Wanting a lazy way out of it is a human thing.

Are you not human?

>>51039327
Are you incapable of working with a stone and chisel? It's really not that difficult.

>>51035956
>Giant Necron
>A loli
Noice

>>51039367
Is Necron a popular cosplay or something? I've seen one at every 40k con I've been to in the past few years.
>3dpd
>loli
RRRRREEEEEEEEEEEEE FUCKING NORMIE

>>51039288
Dont even

>>51036231
Why do people think cult ambush means the stuff is in reserves? Its an override to infiltrate.

>>51039356
There's a difference between basic use of technology, regardless of whether it's pens and paper or electronic storage, and being a total cuck. This anon>>51039347 makes a lot more sense thought desu.

>>51039438

I have no plans to take 3 Hellbrutes

>>51039448
>override to infiltrate.
SO YOU ADMIT SERVOSKULLS > FILTHY XENO-HUMAN MUTANTS

>>51039427
Popular, not really. BUT amongst normie cosplayers, a Necron looks baller and extreme.
3D Loli is high end, rev your reee somewhere else

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Ima get in on this dank maymay too

Every pod with locator is obv droppod assaulting idk where libby and watch master are going and aquila team could also be furor team if necessary

Is it possible to build a night lords army without going straight raptors?

I like raptors and all but i want to add a few rhinos, predators, and maybe a hell brute along with some tactical squads

>>51039469
Why two lords? why not a sorcerer?
At the very least for psychic defense for your bikes.

>>51039512
Considering your raptors will be in a raptor talon or a chaos war and, the fact that they're troops doesn't really matter. And you want to be in their decurion anyway, so you won't be combined armsing your way to obsec

Warband because I can't hit my goddamn space bar

>>51039466
Chisels are as much technology as pens are. Your Luddite attitude is pretty arbitrary.

>>51039536
i was just puttping one lord with the bike squad and the other with the spawn squad, just for a hard to remove dude in each unit that is capable of putting the beatdown on.

as far as sorcerers go I cant seem to be satisfied without them being even more overcosted than my lords.

what build would you suggest for the sorcerer? also should i just stick him and the lord in the bike squad and leave the spawn squad just by itself?

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Just about to go prime some of my Guard In some freezing weather.
Are you anons doing any hobbying?

>>51039483
??? Override=\=is

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>>51035913
So if I do something like this, can I start the Bullgryns in the Stormlord, or do I have to enter them turn 1? Also, if I took the Rampart Detachment, could I start them in the Stormlord?

>>51039622
Anonbro why don't you have any blob squads to bubble wrap your tanks?

>>51039576
Well, my thought was just to take a cheap sorc with mastery level 3, no sigils or anything, and spell familiar as a psychic defense/support hero and let the lord take challenges while he's just at the back bonking away with his force weapon.

If you split them I would put the lord with the spawn and then the sorc in the bikers so at least he has the champion to hide from challenges, either way I wouldn't invest too much in his personal defense but hide him behind someone else.

do you hate or enjoy playing against deathstrikes anon?

>>51039656
This list doesn't have blobs. I use blobs enough. I wanted to do Bullgryn assault charging out of the Stormlord for fun.

Might be dumb but what's the downside of not starting in a transport? Can't you just hop in first turn anyway and lose nothing?

>>51039688
If you don't have first turn your guys can get shot at

>>51039592
Slowly scraping the worst of the yellow paint off a scragged Lamenters MK4 my friend gave me, so I can use him as a dead Son of Horus on my Imperial Knight base. I'm not properly stripping him, but most of him is grey anyway,.So I thought I'd do my best before priming over and painting him green. Also got a good chunk of a WarConvo to paint, which is a pain since I'm stuck on the Skitarii Rangers. Not because they're especially difficult, just fiddly and boring.

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>>51039592
Just finished the first part of my Guard revival. Having a comfy night.

>>51039592
Why not prime them in a bathroom with the fan on and window open? The air will clear in less than an hour and the minis will still dry properly.

>>51039688
If you aren't first turn, the things that you didn't start embarked are more vulnerable

>>51037432
but the post you just quoted says no stat can go below 1, anon. You would reduce a squad to t1, not auto kill them.

>>51039592
I'm currently priming a buttload of noise marines, havocs and bikes while waiting for my next order of models to arrive.

Can anyone tell me if the kakophani formation gives Noise marines themselves shred or if its only sonic weapons ?

>>51039592
Doing the same as you, but I keep screwing up the priming. I did it 7 years ago just fine with no loss of detail while being 100% covered, but now I can't stop fucking it up. I have at least 20 models that I can't use because they're all wrong. I have to strip the primer now. I am doing it about 12 inches away, peppering it with primer, trying to cover all the angles, and then I end up with too much paint in some areas and then too little in others.

>>51039575
i'm not saying that tech shouldn't be used, i'm saying you're moaning that you can't get a taxi when you've got a perfectly good bicycle in the shed.

>>51039702
But that's it? The whole Skitarri have no transports thing sounds stupid then if you can just ally some Valks or something. Everyone is just a whiny bitch then I guess

>>51039697
>Brown boots
Aesthetic.

>>51039592

Im currently starting up a new night lords army for the fall of Cadia. Currently have a unit of tactical primed and have two painted so far. Also have a unit of raptors that im building.

Just dont know where to go from here, thinking of finding a HQ choice but the hobby store is all out of chaos lords with jetpacks so i want to convert a raptor into a chaos lord.

what if
you could form tempestus scion blobs
>blob of fifteen scions deepstriking
>equipped with six meltas

>>51039743
Yeah boy!

>>51039758
>tempestus scion
IT'S SHIT.
Kasrkins or nothing.

>>51039512

Honestly, a CWB is better than a Talon for NL, anyway. I'm thinking of adding a TAF in remembrances of the Atramentar, you know that other special thing NL had.

>>51039768
Cadia is gone though lmao.

>>51039787
Kasrkins have balls of Anti-Warpstuff.
They aren't dead. Merely hiding.

>>51039679
How many Bullgryns can you fit into a Stormlord?

>>51039801
>balls
>hiding

>>51039801
>Implying that the Cadian Pylons aren't the Kasrkin's throbbing slongs.

>>51039823
>What are Catachans
>Who are Gaunts Ghosts

>>51039825
I said they were hiding. I didn't say they're not hiding underground while fully erect.

>>51039823
They use their balls as a 2+ cover save.

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>>51039662
better?

both the lord and the sorcerer attached to the bike squad

>>51039733
Valks, as flyers, must start in reserves.

GGA here just wondering what formation is best for armor thread?
I just picked up my sixth Leman Russ and am getting a Punisher with Pask next week bringing me up to seven.

>>51039897
>Leman Russ
> a Punisher with Pask
I'm hard

>>51039897
FW Armoured Company army
Leman Russ Troops
Beastkiller (Instant Death) ammo

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>>51039716
Some stats can go to 0 anon. Toughness is one of them.

>buy a new DP before Legions book announced
>model it with a sword, claws, and wings
>legions announced
>Night Lords get Claws of the Black Hunt
>great on a DP
>already modeled and primed with sword

Fuck me. It's painful, but I think I have to make the swap

>>51039948
Or just use the item and fuck it. Daemon Weapons can look like anything you want.

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Any suggestion to improve this list?
I'm just starting with Skitarii because I love their aesthetic but I'm a bit lost with them.

>>51039956

While that's true, it's rare that a Prince can be full wysiwyg, and it will look proper NL, too. I went with the sword to represent either the Murder Sword or Black Mace.