Warhammer 40,000 General /40kg/

First for Black Legion

Let Cadia burn.

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What are you up to today anons?
I'm just painting some more Guard and messing around with my bases trying to fix them a bit more.

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We ded yet?

Nth for HAWKAMANIA

>>51041431
The last package of my Christmas shit came in so that I can finally start my first army. Now I just need to pick a legion to paint these fuckers as...

Who likes Termies, Raptors, and Bikes?

>>51041431
painting some 1ksons and the loyalest (as in most loyal) dark angel cypher

>>51041431
Trying to finish up a 5 man tactical squad.

>>51041461
I like termies, raptors and bikes

>>51041461
Night Lords maybe?

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>>51041431
Very slowly basing and priming 30 noise marines and some havocs while waiting for my second order of warhammer to arrive.
God plz let me die making marble bases is killing my fingers

Sorry for shit picture, but i just recently moved and havent set up my lightbox yet.

>>51041501
Aw, they like you too.

>>51041505
Don't they suck? Or is everyone kinda on the same level and the ones who are slightly worse get massively shit on by WAACfag autists?

>>51041507
>shit picture

it's whatever, it's a wip bench shot, doesn't need to be great

>>51041461

Black Legion

>>51041461
Red Corsairs

>>51041507
thats a lot of sonic weapons! nice!

>>51041529
night lords are ok, their biggest flaw is they're not fearless

they're not really into terminators though

maybe deathguard? they're not huge on raptors though

you could always go black legion because why not, they could be anything

min max your guys to fuck, MoN termies, MoN bikes, MoK raptors

word bearers would fit too, because they love all the gods

>>51041549
>>51041563

That's two for Black Legion. I've always bought into the "Abbadon is a Horus clone" theory anyway.

>>51041563
I think Night lords would be okay with Terminators, in the sense that they can appear suddenly and murder people.

>>51041589
but terminators are really bad at murdering people in close combat, which is what night lords live to do

>>51041589
>>51041606
in 30k one of their special legion abilities is that all terminators squads can buy into deep strike so they certainly did have tactics for them in the heresy

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>>51041535
True, but as my legion may suggest, i strive for perfection.

>>51041561
Thanks !
If only noise weapon preds were still a thing.

okay okay its fantasy but.....

is anyone familiar with the Maggoth Lord? I am planning on using that as a Great Unclean One, becuase the current GUO is hideous (not in the way a greater daemon of Nugle is supposed to be either), just a very poor model. The Maggoth Lord is slightly bigger but still fits on a 60mm base. I know I am at a bit of a disadvantage becuase it stands just a tad bit taller which means I will get shot at easier but i dont care. not a big tourney guy, just casual.

I run Death Guard and will be building allied Daemons of Nurgle. Seeing as how I havent bought the nurgle starter yet (kinda broke) I was curious if I ran this thing as a daemon prince, (again same base size and I am again at a slight disadvantage because it will be harder to hide) what wings should I use for now?

I was thinking possibly the manticore, but I am unsure just how big they are.

is anyone familiar with both the Maggoth Lord and the Manticore? Would the Manticores wings work for this guy?

>>51041647
that would fantastic

I've gotten the urge to give Necrons a shot. Is decurion still the way to go or has something else popped up while I wasn't paying attention?

>>51041507

I got like 30 of those NM arms in resin and metal and I'm dreading working on them. Looks like it might be tough painting them already attached to the bodies.

>>51041652

Why not use the Glottkin model instead?

>>51041669
Nothing else. Trazyn will be getting some shit in Fall of Cadia that is going to released in few weeks.

So I've seen a post in an earlier thread, that went something like this: "my friend has a Black Legion army, but wants to use Death Guard rules on them. Am I being a dick for not letting him do that?". To my surprise most of the replies went something like this: "if he's your friend you should let him, but overall I get ya". If I wanna use DG rules using my BL army should I be telling pick up opponents, that it's actually a homebrew warband "Dark Reapers", or some shit like that - DG successors, that joined BL? Or is it actually cool to detach color scheme and rules?

So anons is there any way to utilise the snow outside in my modeling?

>>51041753
you could heat it up and use it as water to thin your paints

>>51041709
I thought so too until i test painted one of them, and it wasnt nearly as bad as i thought. But that's just one case and i might regret it once i get to basecoating the entire lot.
Time will show i guess.

Anyone know if MoS raptors/WarpTalons are worth it with the new formation for them ? It sounds like alot of fun

>>51041749
Technically the black legion have entire cults in their fold. The one dedicated to Nurgle are the Bringers of Decay.
He can just add some gunk to the black and run them with Deathguard rules.

>>51041753
Yes.
>Take a cup
>Go outside
>Fill cup with fresh snow
>Go inside
>Wait few hours

Tadaa! Now you have free cup of water which you can use with paints to paint up models!

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Heres a gift!

Book 2 of Primarchs!

Comes out on the 14th, but heres an advance copy!

Leman Russ: The Great Wolf

https://mega.nz/#!3kwlBSjB!Rv0o2mLn8eCGWf6lgkCOJUa-mSjGAf9CymMnjkzIYLs

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So... Astra Militarum Bros

I.. I don't want to magnetize and more tanks.

I don't want to.

I'm one Leman Russ and 2 Chimeras in and I don't want to anymore....

Please

>>51041749
it's okay if you want to try out new rules
if you start using it permanently it's generally more frowned upon same as any "proxy" (though in this case it really isn't a proxy but it feels that way)

>>51041795
>>51041775
I never thought of that thanks guys

>your opponent unloads his casket of 200+ guardsmen
do you play him anon?

>>51041802
What's so hard about magnetizing things?

>>51041802
>I'm one Leman Russ and 2 Chimeras in and I don't want to anymore
Thats enough to play Neophyte Cavalcade thou. Just say they are Catachans, those are sneaky gits.

>>51041728
Because that's even BIGGER than a Maggot Lord

>not that anon btw

>>51041810
Yes, The movement phase will take a bit but itll be awesome when your army clashes his in melee combat

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>>51041810
i drop 120 daemonettes on the table in response, you might have enough shots to stop me but if i'm alive by turn 3 you're fucked. literally and figuratively

>>51041802
>bothering to magnetize
I've never seen anyone give a shit. Just stick your bits on in your favorite configuration then explain clearly to your opponent what each machine does if it strays from the usual.

I have two edgelords at my disposal, and can't decide which I want to work on more.

Tell me TG, Night Lords or Dark Eldar?

>>51041563

>Night Lords not into Terminators

People always forget the Atramentar.

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>>51041815

It's a ballache

>>51041818

Well don't tell anyone but that was the original plan (pic related) but I'm enjoying painting the tanks so much, I'm going Guard on the side

>>51041851

This may be the way forward

>>51041728
because I already own a Maggoth Lord and cant afford a Glotkin right now.

i want to use the Maggoth Lord I have for something cool

>>51041621
yeah but night lords would be WAY BETTER with tartar sauce terminators (prospero box) because they can sweeping advance

>>51041849
Furry pls go

>>51041851
wysiwyg fags get totally pissed off

>>51041802
>I don't want to magnetize

so don't, just buy more and more tanks, plastic glue all of them so they're indestructible bricks

>>51041810
So glad I brought Havoc launchers and am playing KdK.

>>51041920
But they didn't post Space Wolves...

>>51041810
>sweeping advance
>wipe out 50+ guardsmen with a single d6 roll

>>51041954
>Not putting Priests into your blobs for zealot.

>>51041906

It's a shame there are no rules for Tarts in 40k.

Also, I wish the NL gangbang rule was carried through the TL book. Imagine if NL got +1 Hit/Wound in melee for out numbering. THINK OF THE CULTISTS. Hell, even then, Termies and Raptors are bulky, so they count as 2 models.

>>51041810

I assault with my NL Raptor Talon and force a -5 fear test.

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So all the Fall of Cadia rumors I've heard have pointed to SoB and BT getting new stuff. Has anyone heard anything about IG getting new models or formations? I feel like the Cadia splat should have something Cadian in it...

>>51041802
Just magnetize dozer in chimera. Multi laser is all around good.

Lemanruss weapons don't need magnets, they works without glue.

What's the problem ?

>>51041395
Is it fun fighting chimera vets with leman Russ support? Or is it more fun fighting blobs with artillery?

Or is fighting guard not very fun?

>>51041969
>It's a shame there are no rules for Tarts in 40k.

There is, it's in imperial armour and will be coming in an angels of death-like-book soon

>>51041969
>>51041906
i thought gw handwaved it and said they're literally 40k termies that can sweeping advance for the same point cost ?

>>51042043
yup

>>51041992
Only the Wrathful Crusade formation which is Black Templars and Cadians.

We know that AdMech is getting relics plus "Grand Convocation" which is either their decurion or a rework of the WarConvo and SoB are getting relics and an "Imperial Crusade" detachment which is shared by the Black Templars who apparently get no relics but we'll see.

This isnt a book for Cadians, your spotlight may come after.

>>51041954
ive never understood how winning combat works with large groups vs tiny groups. Does the space marines that lost 3 soldiers take a leadership test vs the nids squad that lost 8 units?

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>>51041992
>I feel like the Cadia splat should have something Cadian in it...

You lost it or something, son? Fall of Cadia means BT, SoB, and Admech all day every day. Not sure what gave you any other idea..

>>51041968
>My Slaaneshi Heralds can force opponent's models to accept my challenges

What Priest?

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>>51041882
Let my Russes inspire you fellow Guard anon. We could always need a few more good lads like you holding the line.

>>51042054
more kills = you win

>>51042054
if a squad of two units fights against a squad of twenty units and the squad of two loses one unit while the squad of twenty loses two units then the squad of twenty lsot the combat

>>51042083
>he didn't put the front of the Demolisher barrels on
Is this some kind of meme? Why do I keep seeing people who don't do this?

>>51042070
Slaanesh gets such cool toys, but I wish it had some less taxing formations, and a daemonkin type army.

>>51042140
that makes no sense

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>>51042083

In addition to me enjoying the weathering your army looked such a blast that it made me decide to go Guard on the side

>>51042163
Welcome to 40k.

>>51042154
at least cavalcade gives you all the seekers and chariots you could ever want. that extra d6 hammer of wrath is delicious

>>51042054
You literally just count the number of unsaved Wounds inflicted on each side.

The side that suffered more loses. They get a -1 to their Morale test for each Wound they lost by.

If the losing side is Fearless, usually in the case of Tyranids, then nothing happens.

>>51042163
but they lost more guys

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Just started DE was wondering if I should go blaster or shredder on my first unit of kabalites. All discussions I see are dated as fuck.

>>51042202
Not that guy, but that just made me consider something. If I recall, Feel No Pain doesn't count as a save, which is why stuff like Helfrost can get around it.

Does that mean that if you say, took 5 wounds but FnP blocked them all, while only inflicting 2 or 3, that you could still lose combat?

>>51042232
No, if Feel No Pain discounts a Wound it is not suffered for purposes of things like Helfrost or calculating combat. It's in the FAQ.

>>51042177
GGA here thanks anon. And post some of your army too here the 40k gen needs more game pics and more bloody tanks.

>>51042232
>If I recall, Feel No Pain doesn't count as a save, which is why stuff like Helfrost can get around it.
They FAQ'd that. It counts as saved wound now in all cases.

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I want to get into WH40k - Where do I find rules? Just, in general. The Start Collecting pack that I want to get apparently has a rulebook, but I want to start learning before i get it so I can ask questions when I buy it - but I don't want to buy any books yet in case they turn out to be the wrong thing.

>>51042232
No. If you pass the FNP the wound never happened.

>>51042213
Blaster. Dark Eldar get all the anti-infantry shooting they need from massed splinter weapons, but they really need every anti-tank shot they can find.

>>51042260
Should be a download for it up top

>>51042268
Awesome thanks man!

>>51042260
Start Collecting kits do not come with a rulebook.

There are a number of boxed sets that feature two armies which come with a miniature paperback version of the rulebook, however - Shield of Baal: Deathstorm, Dark Vengeance, Kill Team, and so forth. Some of them are harder to find than others.

>>51042204
But percentage wise one lost half its squad while the other lost a tenth of its squad so why the hell should the squad losing half its fighting power not be the one that routes

>>51042299
Because elites are better than hordes.

>>51042299
Because that's an incredibly extreme example and in most cases if one side has only two models it's probably Fearless elite soldiers who aren't going to ever rout period.

>>51042213
blaster, also clean the mold line on that helmet front and center

>>51041992
The "Fall of Cadia" event is going to take more than one book. This is just the first.

>>51042299
Because if those 20 guys only managed to kill one of the two guys in front of them and some of them got killed in the process, they're clearly outmatched, even if they'll eventually grind through it with sheer numbers.

>>51041431
I need to fix the stands for a few of my Harlequin vehicles. After that, I'm going to have to start finishing up my GK.

>>51042335
"The Black Crusade"-event is going to take multiple books. Fall of Cadia is just one of them.

>>51042330
I almost thought that was supposed to be there. Super new to this how to I clean it without scuffing it all to shit?

>>51041395
Are there any assault vehicles for the Guard that isn't the stormlord?

Still no leaks?

>>51042372
Sandpaper?

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>>51042378
Yes.

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>>51041436
Never. Now go back and hold the damned line!

>>51042372
use an xacto blade or a hobby knife or w/e

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F4-uOVScTgc

>>51042417
How do you get out?

So I've gotten tired of playing a shooting heavy army and want to move towards a more punchy based army. I considered Nids and Orks but don't want to have to build 300 models to get the army really going so turned towards Marines.

Which Marines are good for punching the heck out of things in a mostly-casual setting?

>>51042435
a mortar shell falls through the open sunroof and then you're free forever

>>51041783
The additional initiative could be nice to overcome the disordered charge malus and striking before other Marines I always nice. On the other hand youd pay A LOT for those warp talons and I'm not sure the new bonuses can pull them out of the Marianna Trench.

>>51041906
>pet names for shit

fuck off

>>51042451
sw or ba

the guard; more courageous than the adeptus astartes, yet far less powerful. a single human is nothing but a drop of water in the grand scheme, yet these drops of water combine to form massive rivers chipping away at the mountains that oppose them, slowly but surely their numbers hack away piece by piece of the rock, leaving the enemy fewer and fewer options as they crumble beneath the force of the guard as fragment after fragment get loosened
many guardsmen succumbed under these conditions, but they never surrendered. the guardsmen who replaced the now far gone guardsmen probably also died in the ensuing war, yet they never surrendered. the guardsmen replacing those once more also probably suffered ill fates, yet they never surrendered
thus it goes on, and on, the guard with their constant struggle against impossible odds, yet never wavering and never failing their commanding officer when they are needed the most

>>51042451
chaos marines

>>51042458
If we're going for game rules and it's open topped, a flamers would be better

>>51042435
There's a ramp that drops through the dozer blade in front, and I think there's another one in back?

>>51042451
World Eaters or Khorne Daemonkin.

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>>51042435
The dozerblade has a door in it.

The Crassus is the other assault vehicle that Guard has.

>>51042473
>calling armor by TAR because the actual name is long and latin and never used

everyone knew what I meant when I said tartar sauce and you can go FUCK YOURSELF if you think anyone gives a damn about the actual name

>>51042458
Fucking kek

>>51042500
CRASSUS ARMOURED ASSAULT TRANSPORT doesn't have Assault Vehicle

>>51042511
>long and latin and never used
Tartaros? How is that long it's fucking 8 letters you dipshit. I'm not even the guy you're responding to.

>>51042489
it's not open topped, just a shitty model

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>>51042372
run your hobby knife/scalpel along the mold line slowly scraping it off like pic related. Don't press too hard. It's better to clean it in 3-4 soft swipes then fuck up the mini in 1 hard.

>>51042260
Download the rulebook, Skitarii codex, and cult mechanicus codex from the links in the op

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Trying this again. I could really use some help constructing a Blood Angels list. I'm new, so I don't really know how good things are, but I like the look of the Archangels Orbital Intervention Force. My problem is that I can't get the Battle Demi-company to look threatening at all. Would it be better to pick the Archangels demi-company as my core?
I'd like an army that drops in with heavy shooting, then the Terminators deep strike and charge stuff, but would I be better off ditching the Angels Blade detachment?

Pods are for the Dreadnaught and the Flamer and Melta Tactical squads.

>>51042511
>Writing is hard therefore I must meme, look how whacky and fun I am! Tartar sauce, lol!.

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>>51042433
Huh that was pretty easy thanks for the advice.

>>51042511
>non-ironically typing le funnay meme name
>hurr Tartaros is a long word
>Tartaros: 8 letters
>tartar sauce: 11 letters and a space
Not even him but you're literally retarded.

>>51042470
hmm fair point.
Guess i should try out proxying them to get a feel for them.

>>51041431
Trying to finish my death korps engineers but have realized that all my super glue has sealed to the cap. I have plenty else to do - 30 guardsmen and a chimera

>>51041431
Painting the silver trim on my Alpha Legion bikers, going to strip mold lines from some bloodletters and put them together after that.

>>51042566
Checked. I hate this wannabe memespeak as well.

>>51041461
Death guard if you wanna be that guy

>>51042531
Crassus would be fucking insane if it had. It costs as much as a Landraider.

>>51042295
Huh, I was misled, then.

>>51042276
>>51042553
Will do, thanks.

>>51042500
>>51042417

Any IG players here actually use one of these things before?

>>51042265
not entirely true. things that go off of wether or not they dealt wounds still get to add to their tally even if the victim passes the fnp save.

i.e. epidemius

may not be relevant to current topic

>>51041788
Yep if properly painted up as bringers of decay its fine

>>51042570
yeah now do it for every line which looks like it doesn't belong

>>51042477
Huh. I thought SW were more Counter-punch than punch. I can kinda see BA because of the Death Company though I guess.

>>51042479
Any particular flavor that works well?

>>51042498
KDK makes the most sense I guess there. I'm still looking over WE to get an idea of what magic they have over "gain blood points for profit".

So I guess I'm surprised BT and Carcharadons aren't on the list. I guess Vanilla doesn't bring enough punch?

>>51041431
working on a rhino

>>51042757
>I thought SW were more Counter-punch than punch.
Some of their basic stuff is, but their dedicated melee units are the best of any Chapter - Wulfen and Thundercav.

>>51042757
>Any particular flavor that works well?
for melee world eaters

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>>51041431
This is where I stopped last night. going to try and finish it up so I can speed paint the last Ethereal I need for my Ethereal Council.

>>51042736
Citation needed

>>51042786
Shit, that look a lot like my scheme. Did I just do something retarded and accidentally copy a canon Kabal/Cult or something?

>>51042378
the stormlord isn't an assault vehicle i think
it just counts as open topped for the purpose of disembarking which means you can deploy them wherever in base contact with the hull

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Prototype black legion raptor for my talon

Waiting for ink to dry, sorry for quality taken by phone

After the ink is a simple highlight, base and transfer.

>>51042776
Ah. I forgot about the Fursuit Wolves and the Wolf-riders.

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>>51041431
I was going to assemble more Vanguards but I went outside to go grab lunch and it turned out I had a 100% dead car battery. I had to perform the proper prayers and sing the Hymns and now I've run out of Warhammer painting time before I GM a game of Deathwatch tonight.

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>>51042830
Post it. What I did was 4 highlights over Abaddon Black. Recipe is: Abbadon black base, and then a FAT highlight of incubi darkness(Pic related is from my first venom, but still the same recipe.), then some Coelia Greenshade on that highlight. Next comes a much thinner highlight of Kabalite green, then an even thinner Sybarite green highlight, and at corners/raised areas, Gauss Flayer Green. I need to clean it up quite a bit, still.

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>>51042820

>>51042931
That's an explicit effect of his unique special rule, not a universal thing.

>>51042931
its a bit cornercase, but there are instances where feel no pain doesnt just "pretend" the wounding never happenned

>>51042724
Nah but I do have Baneblade (the old FW-variant) and Malcador Infernus (which is banned half of the time, for a good reason).

>>51042782
Fair enough. I guess I need to spend some time mulling over them then.

>>51042963
understood, but it was more of a blanket statement of dont use always or never. its a good thing to know if you have an army who focuses on feel no pain (i.e. death guard) that there are things to be aware of that you might not think about. not trying to be a dick or that guy, just informing....its better to know than not

>>51042557
>would I be better off ditching the Angels Blade detachment?
Yes, at least in my experience.
I've never had the Angel's Blade work out for me at 1500 points. The number of "tax" units in both core formations massively outweigh the benefits the decurion provides.

I'd recommend going with a Combined Arms, Baal Strike Force, or a Flesh Tearers Strike Force Detachment instead, especially if you're newer to the game. They're much more open when it comes to selection of units than the Angel's Blade. You can even still bring the Archangels Orbital Intervention Force in an allied Formation Detachment, it just won't get the decurion bonus it would get in the Angel's Blade (it really doesn't need the bonus anyway, it's a very strong formation by itself).

Go with Combined Arms if you want
>Objective Secured Troops
>Warlord Trait Reroll on any of the Warlord Traits tables in the BRB

With Baal Strike Force if you want
>+1 Initiative on any non-Disorganized Charge (this is a VERY powerful bonus vs. MEQ armies)
>Extra Elites Slot (caveat is you have to bring at least 1 Elites Choice)
>Warlord Trait Reroll on the Blood Angel Warlord Traits table

and with Flesh Tearers Strike Force if you want
>+1 Attack on every model in a unit that rolls a charge of 10 inches or more (you don't have to go the full 10 inches, just roll it)
>Only 1 Troop Requirement (instead you have 1 Fast Attack requirement)
>Warlord Trait Reroll on the Flesh Tearers Warlord Traits Table

>>51042752
Ay at captain! This Kabal shall be the pimpiest and most mold lineless in the galaxy!

>>51042372

Deldar mold lines are the fucking worst. I'm sorry.

>>51042213
shredder is useless, dont bother with it at all, ever

So let me see if I get the rumors correctly. Black Templars are supposibly getting access to some kind of Crusader detachment so they can take their Crusader Squads in Crusaders while they Crusade?

>Crusadeception?

>>51043050
that's the spirit

>>51043082
I love tedious shit though so I chose wisely I think. Any advice on what to buy after this start collecting box? Hellions are a go regardless of how shit everyone says they are because I love the models.

>>51043116
Reavers. Reavers. Reavers. More Reavers. Some Venoms. A box of Scourges.

>>51043116

Honestly? Another SC! Box wouldn't hurt. Reavers are great, and Gunboats are a lot better now that you can jink and shoot with the guys inside. Venoms are their meme at the moment, son you can't go wrong there. Scourge are good.

If you like the frankenmosters, Talos are good, too.

>>51043116
second infantry squad with transport*
bigger reaver squad
ravager with either 3 darklances or 3 disintegrators is kinda nice

*remember to balance your transports between infantry fire(disintegrator/splintercannon and vehicle fire (dark lance) find out what you need more faster. Personally I prefer to keep the kabalite squads small (i.e. 5 dudes) to get more transports and when a transport explodes many of your dudes will die with it so minimize your losses

>>51042417
not an assault vehicle...

>>51043204
its open topped

>>51043163
I remember loving the old Talos models when I was younger could I still use that? Also lots of reavers sounds like fun. I see a lot of people saying to throw the Archon on a venom too.

>>51041859

Bump. I enjoy both, and own some of each, but I can't decide where to put my focus.

>>51043208
>its open topped
Your right, I was looking at the 30k rules.

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>>51041882

Show us more of your stuff.

>>51043186
The more I read the more the small units in transports sound like a good idea since Raiders are apparently made of wrapping paper.

>>51043215
>I remember loving the old Talos models when I was younger could I still use that?
yes

>>51042836
Does that mean you can assault out of it still

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I'm starting warhammer 40k. Going Space Marines, Salamanders. I bought the start collecting box set, was this a good idea or a fail? I literally have no idea what I'm doing.

>>51043296
The start collecting boxes are always a good start.

>>51043284
at least they are made of sturdy wrappin paper, vemons have one less hullpoint (but an inbuilt 5++ save), still I lost more then one venom to heavy stubber, heavy bolters and similar peashooters

>>51043103
Betting they get the crusader special rule

>>51043296
Buying space Marines was a bad idea.

>>51043321
What faction is the most fun to put Dark Eldar against in your experience?

>>51043329
They already have that as part of their CT.

>>51043027
Many thanks for the advice, very comprehensive! I'll try putting together a list with the Baal Strike Force. I think it'll probably go a lot better.

>>51043343
Anything with a lot of high T models. Because it's fun to watch your opponent cry.

>>51043329
mebbe they get the space wolf treatment and get a crusader-axe with a crusader talisman and a 3 different crusade types to choose from while wearin Mk2 Crusade armor exclusively and havin a crusade-attack-pattern with their boltpistols when 2 squads crusade (i.e. shoot and then attack in melee) the same unit.....

>>51043371
They have Crusade Seals (Purity Seals with a wax cross) and their upgrade kit comes with an axe....

>>51043294
nope
Assault transport is a seperate rule and the assault transport rule is worded as being inherent to open topped transports. since the stormlord isn't one it doesn't have it.
basically it means everywhere on the stormlord is an access point , nothing more
it's still a great thing to have as it allows you to deploy a line of meat shields as charge protection if necessary

>>51043343
anything that does *not* have too much ignore cover, so less faction and more armybuild is important. Also an army with lots of cheap vehicles make DE suffer as you cannot kill them fast enough

fluffwise its craftworld eldar, always funny to see our deranged cousins cry

>>51043343
I would probably say Tyranids. Poison is useful against MCs, but at the same time Tyranids will appreciate the relatively lower volume of fire and blast weapons. Warriors, for example, aren't as likely to die to Battle Cannons without doing anything. They both have a good mix of short to mid range shooting and close combat potential. DEldar also don't have any overly heavy vehicles, making the Tyranid's lack of strong anti-tank less of an issue.

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>>51043281

lol oh u, I tend to take pictures when stuff is WIP to get feedback and criticism but usually forget to take them when stuff is done.

Currently doing an escalation campaign with a buddy.

GSC vs Marines.

500 points - GSC winner
1000 points - (this Friday)

>>51043347
You didn't look at the traitors hate book closely did you

Gw love making formations that give you rules that you already have l

>>51043403
>DEldar also don't have any overly heavy vehicles,
DE don't have any not-so heavy vehicles either, strongest armor is 11. Thats what a rhino has. A rhino

Where do all the aussies buy their plastic from?

>>51043431
I haven't looked at Traitor's Hate honestly. I ended up going out of the loop for a while and only came back last month. Basically I missed everything between the Fenris releases.

>>51043442
Space. That's why it's so damned expensive.

>>51043433
Well, there is the Tantalus, but I digress. The key there is that Tyranids can get away with just strength 6 or 7 weapons, and don't need to run in for Smash attacks due to their lack of Melta.

Overall, I feel like it would be a rather fair and fun matchup, so long as Tyranids didn't try and cheese things with massed Flyrants. The only issue is that it isn't a very fluffy one.

>>51043398
Stormlord is open topped. It says so. However it gets a special rule that ignores the +1 for pen. You can assault out of it.

>>51043459
>The only issue is that it isn't a very fluffy one.
errr... well
actually

-the dark eldar could 'help' someone against tyranids (see tau who regretted it)
-the dark eldar could once again save their stupid cousins from getting nommed because they failed to see the problems (ofc see above)
-fodder capture for arenafights, nids are nimble, good opponents
-the nids are threatening good looting/hunting stuff
-just for sports, like rich fucks kill lions in africa
-getting suprised by nids being there where you captured orks just 6months ago
-need nidparts for commorite fashion items, its all the rage
-haemo wants nids for 'experiments' nobody dared to ask what he meant by that


see dark eldar are the masters of the universe, basically anything goes

>>51043568
Good work son, forge that narrative.

>>51043442
China or Gumtree

If I need it new and legitimate for some reason then my LGS or the Combat Company

>>51043401
Ahhhh I see so who has a bunch of cheap vehicles that I should watch out for?
>>51043459
I mean couldn't the deldar go full predator and try some nids in one of the giant city sized arenas?

>>51043568
>>51043623
Yeah, Nids vs. Deldar can work, but it's one of the matchups that's more odd, as they're both usually 'invading' and Deldar probably won't want to stick around on a world under Tyranid invasion in most cases.

>>51043623
many can have that, for example
Imp Guard/astra militarum (chimera, sentinel)
every space marine faction (Rhino, Razorback)
Sisters of Battle (Immolators, Rhino)

thing is, the codex lacks any cheap spammable middle strength weapons so you are forced to use darklances etc against them.

>>51043645
>the DE descend upon an active warzone featuring the Nids fighting [insert jobber army] to hunt and take presoners from both sides
gee that was hard

>>51043645
Some good ol DE Dickery would be to grand stand a huge fight with another faction just to port away for the other team to get nomed.

>>51043557
no it says it is treated as open topped for the purposes of disembarking and embarking
it is designated a transport , not an open topped transport and does not have the assault transport rule because of this

>>51042050
sauce?

>>51043568
I love the game hunter idea, seems so perfectly Dark Eldar to be simply going on a Tyranid safari when every other race is having to fight gargantuan, pyrrhic life-or-death wars against the nids.

>>51043675
cant I like suicide bomb a tank that already dropped off my warriors? Or is that frowned upon?

Alright gents, catch me up to speed. I've always been pretty fascinated with the 40k Universe, but I've never read much about it. I know I can just go on the wiki and start reading but does anybody have any recs for different things I can check out to learn more about the lore?

Thanks in advance

>>51043752
read about the horus heresy

>>51043739
If you gave them shock prows then yes you can zoom up to ram them and possibly blow up in the process. It's glorious.

>black templars finally return to the fluff
>they now work with psykers
>they now work with xenos
>they now retreat
t-thanks GW

>>51043774
You're welcome, now stop reposting this.

>>51042083
Your turret hatches are upside down

>>51043767
Oh god I can't wait to do exactly that then! Thank you good sir!

>>51043442
China and lgs

>>51041431
starting an eldar force
ulthwè because the color scheme is pretty rad

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>>51043774
ya know, i can't remember the last time i've seen a black templar on the tabletop but i don't play often

>>51042451

Black Templar with their HQ's bring the kind of violence you are looking for.

>>51042260
If you have a FLGS I'm sure they'll be happy for you to use a store rulebook while you're still learning, especially if you buy a SC! box. Until then, use the downloads.

If you don't want to buy the giant rulebook, the ebook is one route, or alternatively you could look for a Dark Vengeance rulebook on ebay or similar (I actually got mine from the store manager.)

How would you make Chosen worth their cost?

>>51043871
Oh? Violence is good. And I do admit they have a nice theme going on. Are they better than the Carachadons for loyalist face punching?

>>51043896
give them special weapons (plasma or melta) and be alpha legion

infiltrate and then gunline turn 1

>>51043722
Yes it does. Open-topped for disembarking means you can assault, because Open-topped for disembarking allows it.

fuck the police

>>51043774
Campaign about Abbadon
>Doesn't get a new model

>>51043964

>Campaign about Cadia
>it doesn't feature any Cadian characters

>>51043964
It's not a Chaos Book. That's like complaining that Magnus didn't get a model during the first half of Fenris when the Thousand Sons just started to invade.

He'll likely get a model when CSM are the focus of the book.

>>51043964
Watch. Chaos Undivided Daemon Prince Abbadon.

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>>51043896
discount on weapons like vanguard vets get

>>51043949
coming straight from the underground, a young cultist got it bad 'cause i'm purple

>>51043995
It has them in the fluff. Apparently Creed is being a bitch about the fact that Celestine is saying Cadia is fucked harder than a two-dollar whore in a Slaaneshi cult meeting.

>>51043896
Give them an extra wound each, then give them access to terminator armor, jump packs, and bikes.

>>51043936
it is stated under the access points section
it is meant to signify that you can exit and enter it like you could a open topped transport that doesn't mean it gets the assault vehicle rule hence why it is mentioned under the access point section and not as a separate special rule it is simply explaining where you can embark and disembark on the model nothing more
the tactics page on 1dchan agrees with me to

>>51044016
He's motherfucking LORD CASTELLAN URSARKAR E. CREED, of course he's not gonna take lip from some strumpet in a fucking corset about the chances of his goddamn planet.

>>51044016
creed is our guy, so that's a given

>didn't I already beat this fucking crusade? why are they calling it 13 again.

>>51044057
>the tactics page on 1dchan agrees with me
This means jack diddly shit, the 1d4chan tactics pages are rife with rules inaccuracies and wrong readings.
Just email GW and ask for clarification because the Stormlord could go either way.

>>51044057
>the tactics page on 1dchan agrees with me to
Hahahahaha

I'm not saying you're wrong but that's not an argument, dude

>>51043896
Give them infiltrate.

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>>51044098
Bitch, I might be

>>51044098
they get infiltrate if they're alpha legion

>>51044074
fair enough , you can't say you weren't warned
i'll keep using my stormlord as a normal transport though

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>>51044064
>some strumpet in a fucking corset
Anon I can't paint with a steady hand without my sides.

>>51044121
Or in Cyphers formation.

>>51044095
the fact that it's stayed on there for so long without anyone calling it out holds some sway for me
but yeah i'm gonna stop shitting up the thread with stormlord discussions now

>>51044146
yeah but they're loyalist if they're under cypher tbqh

>>51044160
You might be underestimating how few people care to edit that shit and how infrequently they bother to check it

There's a LOT of garbage on the 1d4chan tactics pages

>>51044166
they're everything but dark angels tbpqhwyf

>>51044134
I'm not the guy you were replying to. I'm just saying that 1d4chan tactics are utter shit and shouldn't be used to back up an argument, and that the stupid wording means it could legit be argued both ways.

what should i equip my leman russ with
is eradicator plus exterminator good? what about sponsons?

>>51043896
Give them fearless

Allow all models to buy special ccws and guns at lower points cost than on the wargear list

5 point Combi weapons, 10 point power weapons, etc

Allow them to purchase bikes or jump packs on a whole unit basis

Give the whole unit one roll on the eye of the gods table (sharing the result) at the start of the game rerolling nothing /spawn or demon prince results

>>51044192
>>51044134
>>51044074
>>51044057
Considering that the official GW studio designer guys assault out of fucking Rhinos which is completely against the rules, you should probably err on the side of letting Stormlords do this given it at least has the ambiguity of maybe being legal

Just a consideration

>>51044166
No, they are chosen and are part of the Chaos faction. The only loyalist thing they have is ATSKNF and no marks.

>>51043896
give them WS/BS 5

>>51043997
>Abbadon on the cover
Still stuck in the 90s

>>51043800
It's a modified version.

>>51044193
What are you wanting your russes to fight?

>>51044225
>part of the chaos faction

except that they can be taken as allies with every imperium faction (excluding one space marine chapter)

>>51044225
He's making a fluff joke senpai

>>51044223
mail gw for sanction it is then

>>51044225
So, Cypher is a Moritat. I wonder how he will work with a chosen sqd in a NL detachment.

which book has the most up to date rules for the death korps?

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>>51044256
Cypher can, the formation cannot.

>>51044193
Eradicator is good against guardsmen equivalents and necron warriors (because it only lets them have one save). Exterminators are good against anything else that's not av 13. Both go well with heavy bolters or plasma cannons. Multimeltas are okay on exterminators

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So, are whip coils on Canoptek Wraiths useful? Kinda new to the game, and I'd have a few points to spare, but I'm not sure about it.

>>51043568
i forgot the most important one:
some dickhead archon dropped a horde of nids in your kabals basement, now go and clean it.

>>51044016
Even if she is a thousand year old living saint with divine power and likely the strongest person currently active in the imperium, theres no way a man in creeds position would agree with the pessimism of a woman

any one have Index Imperialis: Apocrypha

>>51043896
Let them keep their bolt pistol/ccw no matter what options they take, and give them all preferred enemy (everything)

>>51044409

>Is striking first for 3 points good

Initiative is actually a defensive stat, if you hit first you get hit back less. If you hit at the same time, well, at least you get all your hits in.

>>51044466
TRIPDUBS CONFIRM

SHRILL FEMALES BTFO

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posting list, trying to see if it is good for mid tier play. I wanted to play with as many big guys as possible.

>>51043459

>Flyrants

Honestly, Gunboats are decent at forcing down flyrants. Twin linked splinter rifles for them 6s with poison that doesn't care about the toughness are fairly reliable.

As for the fluff, >>51043568 did well.

There are TONS of reasons for Nids and Deldar to fight. At the very least, they heard them into the arenas. Hell, think of the joke that would be had for dropping a few Tervigons on a rival Kabal.

>>51043687

This is my favorite, and I always wanted to set that up in a campaign. The deldar want something on some human world, but there's a Nid invasion on the way, so they lure the humans off world into the Nids, while simultaneously luring the Nids into some poor planet. When the humans rush to stop the Nids, they raid the planet in earnest for their prize.

>>51044537
Well...okay. Now I know what to do. Thank you, anon.

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How does it look so far /tg/?

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>>51044588

>official GW hobby tools

>>51043767

Don't forget raiders double as anti-SS cruise missiles.

>>51043675

Deldar can handle them well enough, they usually they just have to focus fire. Blasters are at least Ap2 so they have a shot at wrecking them in one shot, and then you have Haywire Scourges and Blasterborn. Also, it shouldn't be difficult to position Disintegrators into rear armor. Failing that, you play the objective game, and you play it hard.

>>51044588
i can't tell if you've shaded your recesses or if its the actual shadow creating that effect
also a great tip for painting tracks :
paint them with thypus corrosion and then apply a heavy drybrush of leadbelcher , the heavier , the less wear on the tracks you want
yours look a bit to bright from what i can tell

>>51044617
Those clippers are actually pretty decent. Not worth the GW price by a long shot, but I was given them for free by a friend and they've served me well.

>>51043116
If you want hellions, run them as beast masters instead - they're still awful, but not as bad as hellions.

And if you do, don't waste money on the fjnecast official beast master beasts, convert something from AoS

>>51044658
Not yet right now just applying the basecoats. And this is just me but I like to apply weathering after the first game It's used in. But any other tips for it?

>>51042500
god I want one of these bastards so much but I am too fucking poor to buy one.

>>51043296
>buying space marines
>being this naive
enjoy your failed emperor

>>51044053
>terminator armor, jump packs, and bikes.
>at the same time, in one upgrade
>they're the chosen who couldn't choose

>>51044466
>no true scotsman

>>51043296
It's a good starting point. Just look up the rules and some tactics advice so you don't assemble your squads with weird weapon loadouts.

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I need some inspiration for my next barricades. Post your favorite defenses/fortifications/barriers/chest high walls.

>>51044734
Not that guy, but what would a better option?
Cause I am starting as well

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>>51044758

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>>51044762
He's complaining because everyone plays space marines.

But what he doesn't realize is that very few people play this secret, elite chapter: Marines Malevolent.

Marine Malevolent are objectively the best chapter and are get to play.

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>tfw you want to write 40K stories and you want people to read them
>considering the quality of official 40K stories you'd be a shoo-in
>cripplingly aware that this will seem like fan-fiction to even the most casual of observers
Kill me.

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>>51044758
.

>>51043645
The haemonculus supplement goes into great detail on this matchup, the time the dark eldar decided to steal a hive fleet.

>>51041807
Before you go outside put on a singlet, shirt and sweater. Multiple layers are better than one thick coat.

>>51044762
there are tacsquad + rhino and tac-squad + droppod bundles in pre-order (rhino is dark angels but that means it also has a DA upgrade sprue)
unless the venerable dread and termi captain, they are really useful.
For HQ I recommed a librarian, most utility for its points. (get the cheap metal one while its still available.)

If you start Dark angels get Dark Vengeance

If you want /dont care about Mk4 armor get Betrayal at Calth

>>51044701
oh i weather my tracks with a weathering powder as well but i still prefer to do this as it makes the tracks less monotone

get citadels "how to paint tanks" from wip if it's still there , its a great book

>>51043904
Space Sharks are better than Black Templars right now, both of their chapter tactics are a bit tricky as its not a flat out bonus but you need to meet a requirement to get the bonus so in that regard I would say they are even. The thing is Sharks can use formations while Templars cannot and thats what sets them apart, if you are intersted in Templars then wait to see what the Imperial Crusade detachment is but if youre not then you are better off using space shark rules for your choppy space marines.

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>>51044860
forgot the track pic

>buy some Tau, coming from Flames of War 'murricans
>let's do them like airborne, screw it
>tan pants, green armor
>fuck, I have cadian tau now

>>51044860
I put a light layer of Agrax on mine.

>>51044844
Shouldn't you be painting or something, Duncan?

>>51044877
actually the tau use camo.
The standard yellow is desert camo, check your dex

>>51044812
If it makes you feel better, it technically is fanfiction, since you aren't doing it for a living

I have both BoC and BoP. Is that fine for playing CSM? They don't have a lot of the fancy toys in those boxes, but is it still fine? It's got termies, a dread, and plenty of bodies. What about the weapons and stuff.

>>51044923
B-build Heresy era traitors.

>>51044941

>spend $40048484928 on Forgeworld

No

>>51044923
From what I've been told, the biggest thing you'll be missing is transports. Specifically, Rhinos.

>>51044945
I meant using the plastics. Don't be a faggot.

>>51044945
gw has plastics that are really cheap, especially if you just buy two or three betrayal at calth boxes

>>51044923
well, the dread only has rules in IA13, but its too slow anyway (only multimelta btw)

forgeworld does sell some weapon packs for havocs(autocannons)

Get some Rhinos

>>51041818
I did just that last night! Also magnetized the weapons for a Rockgrinder. Never know when I might want that Clearance Incinerator.

>>51044923
build a squad of havocs, 4 missile launchers, easy peasy

>>51044976
you could use angels of death for the contemptor rules

the thing is 60 marines isn't that great for a chaos list, it's much stronger for loyalists

>>51044996
actually thinking more about kits and loadouts you could probably run a bunch as chosen and max out on the special weapons which would be pretty sick

definitely pickup traitor legions and pick a faction to get VoTLW rules

>>51044965

I figure I can grab the armored assaults for bits and shit.

>>51044974
>>51044975

90% of the shit in the red books are FW only.

>>51044976

Can't I just use it as a Hellbrute if I wanted to use it in a formation or something?

The weapon packs seem like the only reasonably priced thing on that site.

>>51044996

Aren't ML shit?

>>51045028
Do you not know how to build a themed army using 40k rules with the heresy marks of armour or are you intentionally being a faggot?

>>51041788
>>51041805
So I'm expected to buy everything in doubles just because in lore it doesn't fit, but it would be alright to not paint them / half ass the painting? That's retarded

>>51045028
>90% of the shit in the red books are FW only.

he's posting in the 40k thread asking to play CSM

he's not asking to play 30k legions you dumb inbred fucktard

>>51041563
Yout get at least two or three chaos lords with those formations....so yeah they are pretty fearless. Just pimp out one with the fear shit-their-pants relic and have the other two stay "stock".

Probably the best anti eldar force in the game with deepatrike assault and UBER fear.

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Anyone care to rate my list?

>>51045028
>Can't I just use it as a Hellbrute if I wanted to use it in a formation or something?
officially its not, but i think most people will be fine. (still no assault cannon, btw)
>Aren't ML shit?
I would say situational. Worse than autocannons, but ok enough to consider( no flakk, flakk too expensive)

>>51045028
I had the same plan til I was told to use autocannons....

>>51045077
10/10 Would convert to biomass

>>51045070
>Probably the best anti eldar force in the game with deepatrike assault and UBER fear.


>anti-eldar
>fear
>deepstrike

how does that stop wraithknights and scatterlaser bikes?

ML's > auto-cannons all day every day

Frag for blobs
krak for vehicles

>>51045077
Would replace either multilaser or heavy bolter on the chimerae with HeavyFlamer, because you can only shoot 1 when moving.

Don't squadron the russ, they can shoot at 2 different targets if you don't

>>51045116
autocannons
-5points cheaper
-2 shot S7 Ap4 i better then 1 shot S8Ap3 against vehicles, worse against stuff with 3+armor
-2shots S7Ap4 is better then S4 small blast except when the models are in base contact (and even then wounding on 2+ rather then 4+ might)

>>51045182
Instant killing crisis suits is fun though.....if only people ran them

>>51045116
It is an empirical fact that missile launchers hit less often than other weapons

>>51045217
true

>>51045116

Auto canons statistically hit more against spread out models and the AC does more damage to more vehicles, though.

>>51045068

You quoted me, but yes that's what I'm doing. I'd like to do legions be side tinier rules are better, but again, FW and their prices can go fuck themselves.

>>51045051

Honestly not sure where that came from.

>>51045077
Same with the other anon, don't squadron the russes. You should have fun with that list, I've actually ran that before and it was a good game

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I'm just begining to paint this guy, red will be brighter, trim will be gold and the white will be treated with some gold brushing to add some relief.
Thoughts?

>>51045224
Does anyone know where faggotry truely comes from?

>>51045209
>>51045182
>>51045116
The melta gun is most versatile and most points efficient weapon in the game.

>>51045116
Missile Launchers are in kind of a poor spot compared to other heavy weapons. Small blasts are hard to land if the blob is too spread out, and S 4 is a bit weak as well. Krak is decent, but it doesn't have quite enough accuracy or punch for main anti-tank purposes.

>>51045103
Scatbikes getting assaulted by uber fear causing rapters from deep strike wreck face.

As far as knights....fight fire with fire and get yourself a knight. (That or take three maulerfiends.)

>>51045274
Jack of all trades, master of none basically?

>>51045297
No that would be the autocannon.

>>51045297
With an emphasis on 'master of none'.
It's anti air ammo is awful for 15 points, may as well just try snap-shots.

Ork rokkits on the other hand are actually pretty amazing if only because they can take them in bulk and fire them on the move.

>>51045328
Combi-melta imo.

>>51045328
Should I just run lascannons then?

>>51045297
I think it would need something else for that to work. Either another mode or small tweaks to the current ones.

Right now, as was pointed out, an Autocannon is usually better in most circumstances. It's about as good at cutting through hordes with a squad, and the Krak missiles are only really good against multi-wound MEQs and AV 14 in comparison.

If Flakk missiles weren't so expensive of an addition, that would help as well.

>>51045362
Flakk missiles should be included in the base missile launcher profile.

>>51045252
(you)

Seems relevant to current discussion.

As a codex marine player who already has a squad of lascannon devastators, what should I build anti infantry devs with?

I'm slightly wary of grav because I don't want to be That Guy, but it seems somewhat inevitable with this missile launcher discussion and heavy bolters not being known for their effectiveness.

>>51045427
Autocannons

>>51045103

Are WK fearless?

>>51045288
you can't assault out of deepstrike

you're not a loyalist

>>51041507

how did you do the "marble"?

>>51045443
Lol loyalist scum cannot get those.