Warhammer 40,000 General /40kg/

First for kill yourself now.

2nd for the John Galt of the Tau, commander farsight.

3rd for what are the nids going to do in the gathering storm?

I must ask, is this the actual and only 40k General right now?

Because a while ago there was 4 thanks to a retarded OP who made a cancerous "general".

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>Orks are a melee race
>I2

Sixth for hidden information

TTS anon, are you still here? Which 1kSons units did you want to run?

>>51010295

Two were on autosage and the third lacked an OP and spoilered everything.

>>51010315

If you want hidden information you're not going to get much of it in 40k.

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http://www.belloflostsouls.net/2017/01/40k-gather-storm-fall-cadia-info.html

>Training for The Grand Convocation and Imperial Crusade – combines the Cult Mechanicus, Skitarii and the Imperial Knights in an army. The other combines the Black Templars and Adepta Sororitas

Decurion for Black Templars + Sisters of Battle confirmed

>>51010322
Sadly. Except iirc, there is no rule requiring you to tell people what is in what transport at the start.

>>51010303

>Orks are a melee race
>WS4

>>51010384

Is it just a combined formation for AdMech, or a Codex? Because I need a Red Book of Mars with all the tools of the Machine God available to me in one holy text.

Seriously, I might actually buy a GW rulebook in hardcover rather than pirate the PDFs. if they did that.

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WHat would you do to complete this list? I could probably fit an anti air formation in it but dunno. I know skyhammer isnt ever taken to tournaments but i like it and its still strong

Working on a 1000 point Marine list using the BaC box. Figured I could convert a few things, but generally ended up with a footslogging list.

Planned on combat squadding the 10 man tacticals to get the gravguns together. Also was going to go with Raptor tactics to take advantage of the surplus of bolters and help with survivablibility.

Anything glaringly wrong with this?

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>>51010447
And of course, forgot pic.

Greyfax Inquisitor....

"She’s meant to be from another time, captured by Trazyn the Infinite hundreds if not thousands of years ago, which is why her wargear looks a little more archaic than that of other Inquisitors."

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Good deal for someone getting back in the hobby? Or a waste of tax return money?

https://www.games-workshop.com/en-US/Citadel-Project-Box-Paint-Set-2016

I'm starting a Flesh Tearers force. Recommended anti-tank for the Blood Angels codex?

>>51010498
i seriously doubt you will use all those paints.

>>51010525
grav devestators or suicide melta squads?

>>51010546
No grav in Blood Angels. Suicide melta assault squads are a thought.

>>51010401
KYS

>>51010563
We actually just got grav in the recent supplement.

>>51010579
That's some poor form anon, very poor sportsmanship.

>>51010593
That solves that particular question! Now to figure out how to not feel like total shit for using grav.

>>51010498
Check army painters site for sets

I bought a Forge World event boarding marine off of eBay, and I plan to make my own custom Emperor's Champion. I will cut off the hand and sword of a finecast Champion, and glue it on in place of the Thunder Hammer. For the head, l will use the Templar Brethren head I bought a while back.

>>51010447
>>51010470

>Anything glaringly wrong with this?

no rhinos

>>51010630
Eh just put in that feeling of shit where you put the other feelings you get for spending hundreds of dollars on plastic

>>51010548
>bionic eye linked to the candle on the hat.
Why?
For what conceivable, pants on head, backwards 41St millennium logic would think this was ever a good idea?

>>51010548
I want to hold greyfax's open hand.

>>51010630

Don't combine it with relentless, and it's worse than plasma except against heavy vehicles and MCs

>>51010657
you slut

>>51010548

>Her bionic eye is linked to a candle on her hat

W-

Even in the context of weird gothic future asthetic shit, why?

Does she go blind if you blow out her candle?

What is the most annoying army to play against?

>>51010679
with hats on

>>51010548

thicc

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>>51010653
dont.

stop!

>>51010618
As the last 3 train wrecks of threads have just proven, 40k brb doesn't have anything about being sportsman like so screw it.
Or maybe we're meant to forge the narrative with it.
It's hard to tell with Gw these days. At this point I'm actually worried to read through my rulebook incase the page numbers are in the wrong order.

>>51010706
What?

>>51010167
what's a good army for someone who's gonna end up throwing our virtual pieces of plastic at each other.
Also video and readables on how to know what the fuck im doing.

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>>51010548

Greyfax, I choose you!

>>51010731

Thousand Sons are fun, if you like their look then go for it.

>>51010740

>he collects waifus

ONE OF US

>>51010653
It feels good anon.
That's why i keep doing it.

>>51010724
dont remind me that im a grown man spending hundreds of dollars on plastic men

>>51010740

Hold on a second, Inquisitor Greyfax can't fly!

"I keep telling you, I'm not Greyfax. I'm Lucy Lawless."

>>51010696
Tau, GSC, Eldar, parking lot Guard, drop pod Marine lists.

Anything that just sits back the whole game shooting, or any army that can turn 1 assault is really boring. There's no build up to the game, which is my favorite part. I like it where we do some shooting, then slowly progress to the middle for some close quarters shooting and melee.

Most fun armies to play against are Tyranids, Orkz, hybrid Guard, the various kinds of Marines when they bring a variety of units and Necrons.

>>51010775
"Greyfax"
They couldn't think of a less dog shit name?

>>51010424
It's just a Formation. I would almost put money on it being a reprint or adjusted version of the War Convocation.

On the plus side, there's a rumor that IA14 will put literally all the 30k Mechanicum robutt list at our disposal. The whole thing. And the vehicles.

>>51010802
It's a good name, Anon.

>>51010802

It's a Gandalf reference.

Gandalf the grey, and his horse Shadowfax.

Greyfax.

>>51010797
>Tau

What if you play close range Tau? With lots of Kroot and breachers and what not?

>>51010802

What's your name, Anon, if you have such high standards?

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Getting ready to start my first army. What should I get to begin work on a Genestealer Cult army?

>>51010832
I've never seen it done, but if that's the case, absolutely. I'd love to play against a Tau player like that.

>>51010827
exactly XD

>>51010827
Well it sounds fucking stupid.
Sounds like some kind of fanfiction.

>>51010797
What about Daemons?

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>>51010756
>ONE OF US
you re just picking up on this now.

>>51010696
I have PTSD from playing against my m8's IG army, I know people say "lel horde guard aint good" but that's only true if you're talking top tier cheese meta, for average pickup games this shit is a nightmare to face when you run casual, pre-Traitor Legions supplement CSM. All those heavy weapons teams destroying my armor, all those infantry dudes just chilling in ruins, waiting for me to approach so they can drown me in mass firepower. Every game against this bloke was me trying in vain to make it across the table and inevitably getting my now-footslogging marines slaughtered on his side of midfield. This dude is why I now have an army full of noise marines with sonic blasters, havoc launchers, and flamers everywhere.

It wasn't absolutely terrible every time, but I grew to become rustled after losing several games and never won one against him.

>>51010857
You sound pretty stupid yourself, Anon, so let's call it even

>>51010908
Wow. Bit rude.

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R8 my Minotaurs List.
Have all except for the techmarines and scouts.
>Why so many tech marines
Because I need them to take relics

Any chance gangs of commoragh isn't a half-assed way to get people to buy poorly selling models? Any chance that its an actually decent game with new models?

>>51010885
They're fine to play against. Daemons, Dark Eldar, Grey Knights, Sisters, Scions, they're good to play against, and not annoying.

>>51010908
it's not quite even, we need a shitty fanfiction to go with it.
>>51010925
>rood
anon you're a massive fucking faggot
even if i think her name is a bit flat, it doesn't fucking matter all that much considering gws other naming tendencies.

>>51010696
Certain Daemon builds, especially when the Warpstorm table starts making the game crawl to a halt. The Tzeentch one has the ability to randomly hit everyone on the table with Warpflame and Soulblaze in particular is a special breed of hell.

>>51010656
>>51010683
What if the candle is controllable to some point and lights where she looks? Or maybe focusing the light on point of focus of the eye??

>>51010968
One time Anon was posting on a mongolian horse riding origami board about tiny plastic space men. He didn't like something he read so he made a lot of noise about it and nothing happened because nobody actually cares about mongolian horse riding origami.

The End

We good now?

>>51010649
Had a feeling that'd be the answer. I suppose it'd be easy enough to find the points for it. Just gotta get over my dislike of vehicles.

>>51010968
Calm down senpai, i just think the name sounds like shit.

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>>51011000
>We good now?
>pic related.

>>51010949
I get the named ic and the termies, and scout camp but what are the tacs going? And the techmarines for that matter?
Drop the tacs down to 5 men each and given the each a heavy weapon and have 2 half arsed Dev squads if you can't claw back points for rhinos.

>>51010844
deathwatch overkill is basically the genestealer cult battleforce

>patriarch
>2 stealers
>magus
>hybrid commander dude who has a name I don't remember
>16 3rd/4th gen hybrids
>12 1st/2nd gen hybrids
>4 big guy hybrids

it's like.. 600 points or something out of the box, without upgrades. Then you can just fill points/options with more troop boxes, or vehicles.

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>>51011037
>Calm down senpai
What does he mean by this.
> i just think the name sounds like shit.
Well anon, you need to anon with your anon and don't forget to anon, anon.
you wolfing idiot.

>>51010961
GoC is the same as Gorechosen or Lost Patrol, a small game with a handful of pre-existing models

>>51010844

The Custodes vehicles look like they'd convert really well into a cult limo without much work.

More seriously, you want to get a copy of Deathwatch Overkill or two, then search eBay for acolytes from overkill, because you'll want about 40-60 acolytes as the core of your force.

Personally I've got, roughly speaking, about 60 acolytes, 50 neophytes, 45 Genestealers, 20 Metamorphs and 12 aberrants.

Plus leaders, a few sentinels and two trucks.

>>51010949
Looks like an excuse to field a bunch of 40k stuff.

>>51010775
>certain humans like inquisitors and commissars are so xxxXXXBadass420XXXxxx that they are somehow more dangerous than augmented supersoldiers in massive ceramite armor with rapid firing missile launchers for """""rifles"""""

I gotta say this always sorta broke my immersion. And no, I'm not some "marine wanker" or whatever other stupid meme you want to throw at me, I'm just saying it really doesn't make sense. Why should a normal human ever be able to beat up a dude with several times his physical strength and reflexes, who was biologically and mechanically engineered for the sole purpose of murdering the most dangerous enemies in the galaxy? Oh you have a bio-arm, that's cute. I have a goddamn chestplate under my skin so I can wear armor while I wear armor, and can shoot the nuts off a traitor guardsmen two miles away with a slingshot.

>>51010997
That makes even less sense, pre heresy bionic eyes and post heresy eyes don't need candles to see in the dark, hell yarrick even shoots shit with his.
The more I think about it the less sense it makes.

>>51011071
Scarily I heard that in zorins voice.

>>51011106

Eh, marines are only one order of magnitude better than humans.

BS2 for an untrained conscript, BS3 for a trained soldier, BS4 for a marine.

S/T/I 3 for a human, S/T/I 4 for a marine.

They're better than you in all areas and better equipped to boot, but they're not unstoppable.

>>51010804
Are you sure you mean Formation? Are you sure you don't mean Detachment?
Please?

>>51010746
problem is I can't ffind any models on the workshop

>>51011182
That's just a symptom of using a d6 for everything.
Lore marines are crazy strong.

>>51011182
>applying tabletop logic to lore

also marine power levels vary greatly depending on the writer

>>51011069
Pretty much this.

If you're starting totally fresh, I'd pick up Start Collecting IG in order to get a Leman Russ and ten more neophytes, selling the Comissar or using him as a counts-as Neophyte Leader or something. Then, the box that has a group of neophytes and a chimera is excellent, and with a sentinel you have the mechanized core choice.

From there, acolytes. Lots and lots of acolytes. If you don't want to kill yourself spening 40 dollars for five guys that average like 12 points each, try to get more Overkill models.

>>51011185
>The Grand Convocation - combines the Cult Mechanicus, Skitarii and the Imperial Knights in an army

This is the wording of the leak. Take of it what you will.

It sound like it will legitimately be a reprint of the War Convo, maybe with Cawl as HQ and some other parts adjusted to make his points fit.

>>51010696
Tyranids when they run the endless swarm formation with Tervigons. The movement phase itself will make you consider suicide.

>>51011106
Inquisitors and commissars are usually made powerful by the influence they possess.

An inquisitor on their own will get gibbed by a krak grenade, but that doesn't really make them any less dangerous. They're usually the ones responsible for bringing all those angry supersoldiers to bear.

>>51010844

China sells Overkill models very reasonably. Get a few of them.

>>51011106
Because she's a super duper fearless educated Inquisitor with hundredsof years solving riddles that causes Tzeentch to flinch while also wielding the best armor and weaponry and even xeno tech known to mankind.

While the marine is just a barbarian in big suit pumped full of implants, mindless religious rituals and duty.

>>51011237
Yeah, I guess based on the name that does seem to be implied.
I can't say I'm too sad about that. I like War Convo, and I like Cawl, so hey.

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>>51011057
This better?
I realised with Relic of the Armoury rule, I only need one tech marine.
I guess he is going in the Spartan as well.

>>51011106
The Inquisitor has every fancy toy in the galaxy at his or her fingertips, anon.

>>51011091
>40k stuff
Yes I like 40k

>>51011255
An inquisitor wouldn't let himself to be put in a position where a krak grenade decides the outcome of the fight.

Space marines are wise to kneel deeply infront of Inquisitors.

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Just finished up rebasing all my models. It took a while but I hope it looks alright /tg/. I think the Agrax was a good idea so thanks for that anons. What are you guys doing?

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>>51011288
The absolute madman!

>>51011270
>>51011280
Sure, if they are able to just waste the marine with a snowflake vortex pistol of doom then fine, but in many instances these inquisitors etc. are supposed be on marine levels of melee. that just doesn't make sense even if they have the bestest power weapons and reflex-enhancing armor ever. I don't remember any of this armor ever being so awesome that it makes any of them chapter master tier in combat.

It's like an MMA fighter trying to beat up a grizzly bear. Even the most badass human fighter is not going to go toe to toe with a pissed off Alaskan Kodiak and come out on top. It won't even be close. And space marines are several times more lethal than a grizzly bear.

>>51011276
Yeah better, best thing to do now is play till your eyes bleed and get some experience under your belt with it.

>>51011340
That does look way better. Nice job GGA

>>51011280
NO DUDE,

SPACEMARINE CAN LIFT A CAR xD

WHO CARES ABOUT TOYS THIS IS NOT A CHILD GAME

>>51011315
Well, many do put themselves in that position. But usually only when they have some kind of obligation to see things through personally rather than by proxy.

>>51011352
>I don't remember any of this armor ever being so awesome that it makes any of them chapter master tier in combat.
None of them are ever chapter-master-tier in combat. Some can rock terminator gear thanks to their connections, but they're still WS4 S3 A2 duders.

>>51011315
Bahahahahahahahhhahahahhaha

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>>51011272
The big joke is that if they underpower the Grand Convocation then no one will use it, but the War Convo will be buffed even further because they're adding 6 new Relics that we will be able to pick and choose from for free. So if any of them are good then it's Admech time son.

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>>51011340
MUCH BETTAH
good job mate

>>51011375
>tabletop rules
>again

read the fluff my man.

>>51011392
>read the fluff my man.
Which fluff, the ones where solo marines brawl with entire retinues of decked out specialists?

Most of the time it's the inquisitor's psychic powers being the tipping point, rather than any martial ability.

>>51011352
Marines ARE stronger than Inquisitors by every single metric; Tabletop, fluff & "reasonable mix".

Nobody is arguing that.

There's no reason that a Space Marine is a better FIGHTER than a Inquisitor though, I think it's absurd that you argue that "Big suit lol" equals higher SKILL. AKA "WS".

It's more akin to a Bruce Lee with psychic powers and batman preptime going up against a Bull-Grizzly bearhybrid with several #1 MMA titles.

>>51011358
K thanks, I am excited to try this list, have been waiting to be fully painted before I use it.
Played heaps with my foot slogging death guard, so will be interesting to try a mechanised list.

>>51011380
Yeah, totally true, I'm just fucking sick of the stigma of playing WarCon. I just wanna play a combined list without getting blown off the table, so my hope is that Grand Convocation provides flexibility at the cost of straight up power, so that it's kinda the same in usefulness, but doesn't make my local league want to lynch me.
Even though these fuckers are playing Decurion, Battle Company, Eldar, Tau, and Black Legion, I still feel kinda bad.

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>>51011340
Nice, GGA! Want them to look even better? Drybrush a lighter color over the bases. I rebased some of my GK yesterday with Vallejo Brown Earth, did a coat of Agrax, then drybrushed with Flayed One Flesh to get pic related.

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>>51011340

>>51011426
>Lists Black Legion next to Tau and Eldar.

You're a massive faggot and you suck at the game.

Keep hiding behind your buzzword leet-lingo, but always know this; We all see through it. You daft cunt.

>>51011426
Anything that touches the "All wargear is free lel" bonus is going to be rejected out of hand, and that's the one that people always bitch and moan about.

There is no escape from the Convo until IA14 comes out and we get a ton of awesome badass 30k shit that doesn't fit in a WarCon

>>51011420
>There's no reason that a Space Marine is a better FIGHTER than a Inquisitor though,
i think what you mean to say is an inquisitor can be a SMARTER fighter.
not a better fighter, it's hard to compete with the guys that can apparently run 60 meters in a blink a heart beat and shit like that.
that are leagues stronger then the average human, faster, do not need to sleep and trained/designed their entire long fucking life to be the greatest warriors.
as much as that does sound like marine wank, that's what the fluff says.

>>51011420
>"Big suit lol" equals higher SKILL. AKA "WS".

did you forget the part where space marines are also monstrously augmented abominations as tall and wide as shaquille o'neal who have blindingly fast superhuman reflexes and can jog at usain bolt's sprinting record pace?

>>51011425
Nps, remember take it slow as it's a new dex and also remember you have chapter tactics now.

>>51011432
How many models have you done so far?
And looks good my dude.
Also needs more Dual Swords

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>>51011479
I made those in that picture to match these. All I have left is my 10 Purifiers, Librarian, and part of the Inquisitor's base to rebase.

>>51011449
>I live in a fantasy land where phrases like 'local league' and words like 'lynch' are buzzword leet-lingo, but phrases like 'daft cunt' are totally reasonable.
You sure have some opinions, anon.

>>51010422
I would rather Orks be Ws2 and I4 than Ws4 and I2.

>>51011449
>Thinks black legion are trash
>hasn't been assaulted turn one with hordes of t5 warptalons.

>>51011518
Daft Cunt is totally reasonable, Anon.

>>51011340

That does look much nicer, anon.

>>51011457
> 60 meters in a blink a heart beat
> that's what the fluff says

Why is it that 40k buffs are incapable of finding a middle line between fluff, tabletop and common sense.

It seems to be a self-imposed mental deficiency. You know you're saying bullshit but yet you spout it.

Marines do not run 60 meters in a split second.

Marines do not solo Renegade Knights.

Marines do not solo endless hordes of Traitor Guard with only a knife and a krak grenade.

>>51011518
>>a fantasy land where phrases like 'local league' and words like 'lynch' are buzzword leet-lingo, but phrases like 'daft cunt' are totally reason

You mean Australia?

>>51011549
>Deep strike mishap.

Keep meme'ing your theory-craft lists in your head dude.

Do you idiots even play the game ? Disregarded.

>>51011564
>Marines do not solo Renegade Knights.
Tell that to SMASHFUCKER

>>51011564
They do all of those things. Sometimes. As mentioned before, it depends on the writer.

There have been fucking space marines stepped on by titans and survived. Granted one was in terminator armor, and the other was a major snowflake psyker, but marines are often described as Kratos from God of War power level.

One of the great contradictions of 40k is that in one sentence it will say "one space marine can pacify an entire planet" and in another, you have an entire chapter embroiled in a heated battle against . . . a few thousand orks.

>>51010775
Don't get why they have Sword Brothers there, and no one is using swords.

They changed the BT fluff too much.

>>51011570
>>51011559
The concept that people say 'daft cunt' is not surprising in the least.
The concept that people say 'daft cunt, massive faggot, always know this' while ALSO calling what >>51011426 said 'buzzword leet-lingo' is re.tard.ed.

>>51011605
Smashfucker takes the D like any other Marine.

>>51011513
aaahhh clean up your base rims please

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ok i think i finalized my list

>>51011612
>They do all of those things. Sometimes. As mentioned before, it depends on the writer.

It's up to YOU to be resonable and apply common sense to these themes of "sometimes".

Again this is completely obvious and there's an inert lacking of understanding on your part.

You're either willfully ignorant, or a complete idiot.

>>51011627
You sound like a daft cunt.

>>51011631
Only if you roll a 6.

>>51011627
>Listing Black Legion next to Eldar and Tau is completely reasonable though xD

Gang of Commorragh only includes a gang of reavers of commorragh (3) & ganag of feral hellions (5), 2 ruler, pack of dice, 3 spike of commorragh (litlle 3d carton scenary like towers), pack of cards and 48 page rulebook.

The box size is small like lost patrol.

>>51011564
No but as space marine shows us, with the application of tactics and adaptability it's more than possible for 3 marines to achieve the impossible.
Also khorne sorcery but you know.

>>51011675
Source? Seems disappointing unless it ends up costing less than a pack of reavers and hellions.

>>51011642
Don't worry anon he will. I know GK dude. He's a bro.

>>51011691
Well time to homebrew rules for harlequin bikes, Wyches and Kabalites

>>51011663
>3+ save only without fnp

Scary. And on the six he's just outright removed.

>>51011612
It doesn't say how he pacified the planet.

Maybe he teleported in, bonked some demigogue loonie on the head and told everyone to behave.

>>51011675
What's the actual game about?

>>51011706
Pardon?

>>51011671
Wait, are you saying that since they were listed together, that I must feel the same about both of those lists?
It couldn't possibly have been that I was just listing all the things in the local meta, and that MOST of them were hard matches?
Okay, anon.
Here's your (You), I guess.

>>51011691
I don't doubt for a second that a handful of Space Marines can accomplish even the wackiest grimdark Action Movie shenanigans.

There's guys that try to get away with saying that space marines can run/leap 60 meters in the blink of an eye is beyond stupid. It's intellectually dishonest.

>>51011729
necromunda with dark elves, probably some gorkamorka

>>51010293
Eat Baal.

Or maybe a fuckhuge fleet will show up and annihilate the entire Tau Empire except for Farsight Enclaves and those will become the only remaining Tau.

>>51011649
>It's up to YOU to be resonable and apply common sense to these themes of "sometimes".

What does this even mean. All I'm saying is that the lore is contradictory, and that sometimes it does indeed state that a suit of power armor makes a marine be able to walk through a hail of autogun fire unscathed, like they're shooting at a brick wall. Other times a space marine will get shot in the knee joint by traitor planetary guard and keel over in a Graham McNeille novel.

In general, the "canon" is what you decide it to be, but I would say that space marines are played up to be ridiculously badass most of the time. Why would you even bother spending years and untold expense crafting a suit of arcane relic status like all power armor is sometimes said to be, giving him an absurdly expensive weapon, and years of labor intensive training if the dude inside is the equivalent of five guardsmen?

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>>51011564
>Why is it that 40k buffs are incapable of finding a middle line between fluff, tabletop and common sense.
I never said it makes sense, i fucking rip on BL all the time and i wish i had that collection of BL being retarded.
But this is an cursory point.
you have genetically engineered soldiers, 3nd best ones humans have ever made, 4th best if you include the primarchs.
They are fucking powerful, literally post human warriors who literally only exist for war.
in cannon their bodies are tougher, they have fucking genes to survive days fully exposed to the void.
>Marines do not solo endless hordes of Traitor Guard with only a knife and a krak grenade.
actually they do depending on the writer.
i remember the 3rd bastion wars novel had them wading through and endless horde of zombies with their bare hands to save ammo.
Zho shall was able to topple an entire planet by himself. etc etc.
>>51011649
>It's up to YOU to be resonable and apply common sense to these themes of "sometimes".
the fuck are you on about.
even if we limit the bullshit, we have people much stronger and long lived from the normal human, who are natively taken from the strongest and best of the human stock.
spending all their lives fighting for mankind.
again.
tougher bones, a fucking second heart.
more steroids then Arnold himself and a mind that reacts faster to stimulus.
it is perfectly reasonable to say that pound for pound they are better suited for direct fighting then any other human.

>>51011738
>It's intellectually dishonest.
...no, anon, it's fiction.

Space marines aren't real, remember?
They can do what they like because the world they inhabit isn't real!

>>51011713
Chapter master Tu'shan once went with some of his chapter to a plannet in rebellion. After advising them to pack it in they agree to meet for negotiations, Tu'shan goes in and is greeted with the business end of a hellhound which covers him in fire. As the rebels cheer they become mortified when he walks out of the flames unscathed and one shots the hellhound with his thunderhammer as if it was paper, the rebellion ends there and then.
Can't remember if codex or Aod supplement but this is the best example I can think of.

>>51011775
Fiction still has internal rules. These ones say Space Marines can do some ridiculous shit.

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>>51011738
>There's guys that try to get away with saying that space marines can run/leap 60 meters in the blink of an eye is beyond stupid.
listen anon, i'm getting sick of your autism.
I wrote that.
I will go dig through my images to find the BL writer that said that.
I NEVER said it made sense, I'm just trying to give you the ridiculousness of the marines

>>51011754
eat baal :( but cant my two armies co exist in peace?

>>51011769
TL;DR

You must be pretty mad to write such a long reply defending your nerd obsession, get over yourself.

>>51011538

Partly that's because the WS system is totally mucked up (WS2 still hits WS4, the average, on 4's).

But whilst it might make sense for Boyz to just be WS4, due to their sheer numbers, Nobz and MANZ should be WS5. It pains me to run a unit of MANZ into another unit and watch them miss half their attacks.

And for that matter, why on earth don't Orks get Preferred Enemy: Everything? They literally love to fight everything.

>>51011731
Misquoted it was meant for >>51011675

>>51011775
HERESY!

>>51011769
>>51011763
>>51011775


Holy shit, it's like you're missing a significant part of your brains.

SPACE MARINES DO NOT LEAP/RUN 60 METERS AT THE BLINK OF AN EYE.

GET.

IT.

TOGETHER.

C-O-M-M-O-N S-E-N-S-E B-O-Y-S

I'm out.

>>51011811
>Fiction still has internal rules.

Most fiction has internal rules. Welcome to Warhammer 40,000 motherfucker. 40k manages to be enjoyable fiction despite the fact that it has no verisimilitude whatsoever.

>>51011340
Infinitely better looking, well done m8

>>51011849
>warhammer 40k
>any common sense
probably half the series doesn't make any sense at all and only survives off the rule of cool.

>>51011839
Bait so weak I cba to find a bait pic.

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>>51011823
>You must be pretty mad to write such a long reply defending your nerd obsession
>I can't come up with an argument and i'm an autism so i must project my anger
>get over yourself.
get over what anon, the fact that an inquestor cannot fight a super human.
>>51011849
you sound desolated, also you've yet to read anything i've said.


unrelated do you anons have that big fucking thing of BL being retarded?

>>51011849
why are you autistically getting stuck on this one metaphor somebody made

space marines might not run at the speed of light or anything but even the slowest space marines is a leagues better athlete than the most well conditioned normal human athlete. they have multiple fucking hearts and bones the size of cow femurs, capable of not eating for weeks and surviving in the goddamn void of space.

>>51011645
can someone critique my list instead of being retarded about space marine running speed. i wonder why their sweat tastes like

>>51011918
>i wonder why their sweat tastes like

tastes like what?

no space marine would ever lose to fucking greyfax lmao. hector rex? probably but not some fucking retarded plain old bitch

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>>51011918
>i wonder why their sweat tastes like

>>51011470
>and wide

No, they're like Shaq if he had The Rocks proportions.

As somebody who's actually been in the same room as Shaq, he's already hugely intimidating. He looks a little gangly in pics, but he ain't. Motherfucker is huge.

>>51011584
>>Deep strike mishap.

Wow, luck is a part of this game! Who'd have thought?

>>51011645
that feel when I'm a new player and all the tactics I read about said that I should focus on having model mass instead of slathering on upgrades everywhere because more bodies > bling, but then I see all kinds of lists on the internet that have the same number of models as gray knights at 2k points

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>>51011918
>i wonder why their sweat tastes like

>>51011992
I meant to say "as wide as shaq is tall", they space marines are W I D E

>>51011878
you're one mad heretic

>>51011617
Greyfax she’s been held in stasis by Trazyn,she’s meant to be from another time, captured by Trazyn the Infinite hundreds if not thousands of years ago, which is why her wargear looks a little more archaic than that of other Inquisitors. She appears during the final battle for Cadia, released from a tesseract vault on Solemnace by Trazyn the Infinite, Inquisitor Greyfax allies with black templars and fight against the chaos, but Greyfax is utterly appalled to see the Imperial defenders of Cadia worshipping the Living Saint – it is nothing short of idolatry in her mind. She also sees the Wulfen of the Space Wolves running rampant, Imperial psykers using their powers without sanction and an alien abomination that seems to be tolerated by the warriors around her.

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Do ork boyz legs straddle a hormagaunts back comfortably ?

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Nice to see so many Guardbros last couple of days. I dont have any recent pictures of my force on this tablet but enjoy this blurry shot of my very first SC! from last year.

>>51011549
I keep seeing this "warp talons are good now" meme because of TL but even if they can DS assault turn 1 they don't seem good

>>51012035
Boys before toys is an old, retired meme.

This is the 'war of the monsters' edition where whome armies of flying monsters and godzirra face off in urban combat arenas.

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>>51012053
It's a pretty cool concept really
>Should have been done with a Primarch instead
>MFW she gets over it pretty quickly and just fights with the Imperium anyway

>>51012072

Do you have any pictures that aren't blurry as fuck? There's more vaseline on your lens than there is on my dick on a lonely Friday night.

I really like that rusted look on the Russ.

>>51012055
What? Why?

Cuz some boy 'eard some rumours that some humies like to put their dangly bitz in other humies so he decided to try it with a 'nid?

>>51012100
She is an Inquisitor, not a retarded space marine or trigger happy commissar

>>51012118
So he can have them riding nids, probably.

>>51012053
All nice and cool.

Where are the rules leaks. I wish to know if this things is IA trash

>>51012131
Your point?

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My first squad of Knights of Blood assault marines, built out of two different boxes.
Almost fully painted.

What are you working on /tg/?

So is there an official ruling on manticores shooting multiple rockets at a time using POTMS?

It's considered the same weapon and POTMS doesn't let you use the same weapon twice right?

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>>51012115
$30 tablet and a not give a fuck attitude. Think I've got some Chimeras though

>>51011701
The cost will be lower but not much, but no more info from reps :(
I guess it will be around 35£

>>51012072
>>51012183
I really like the shade of red on those tanks. Very nice look.

Also, nice cat.

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>>51012200
Would you believe it's primer? Don't tell anyone though

>>51012183
what game you playing on that DS boio

>>51012183
>No bed sheets
How are those bed bug bites going, anon?

>>51012078
hmmm, well I really want to field a lot of models instead of just having a few monstrous creatures, the whole reason I like 40k is the models. so uh, I guess I'll be getting beat up a lot.

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>>51011918
>i wonder why their sweat tastes like

>>51012252
>>51012255
Diamond Nuzlocke son.

Also sheets are right there boyo, girl just tossed them off this morning.

>>51012264
Depends what army you're playing.

>>51012264
The most important thing to remember about your army, is that they're your dudes.

Field whatever you like. Play games weekly and enjoy it.

>>51012167
>Knights of the Blood
>Declared renegades by High Lords
My Minotaurs are craving a fight with your chapter.

Also looking good so far.

>>51012285
Please, post a picture of your hands.
The backs of them, please.

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This is the stuff I currently own.

What should I be looking at from here? More Space Marines or should I just say fuck it and grab an Imperial Guard Start Collecting box so I'll have a Leman Russ and a bunch of guard I can use as expendables?

>>51012285
Got more balls than i do i cant bring myself to even attempt anything that would require me to get rid of my pokemans. Anyways nice models anon

i wish my hormagaunts could have rending

>>51012311
You have a good core here, anon. Play a bunch of games and see what you think it needs. It can go in a bunch of different directions from here, but most of them involve fire-power.

>>51011106
Same way the US president is more powerful than the strongest soldier ever.

A Space Marine can kill a hundred humans, but an Inquisitor can send a thousand Space Marines to their deaths.

>>51012370
the discussion was about combat prowess, not political power

but we've moved on

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>>51012311
I'd say get a land Raider Crusader for your Terminators. Also you can never go wrong with Assault and Devastator Marines

>>51010384
>Abaddon the Despoiler deals a severe blow to the Imperium with his attack on the planet Cadia.
>severe blow
>attack
>Cadia will not be destroyed
CHAOS BTFO LOL

>>51012346
Just play GSC and use your homosexgunts as the rending dudes?

I have no idea honestly. I'm still waiting for plastic troop choice. Ignored army hug?

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>>51012153
no rules in wd, only battle report...

>>51012410
Yes it will, White Dwarf said so. They make it clear that Cadia will be destroyed.

At the start of the book, it's just one Kasr standing on the entire planet.

>>51010479
sounds like potential heresy. Greyfax warp demon in disguise?

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>>51012444

The scrolls for the Seraphim and Celestine in this picture look like tassels blowing out the back of this Flamer Assault Marine's jump pack.

>>51012369

I want more Terminators because I love Terminators but having them march around seems goofy. I'm currently wondering if it would be better to just get a drop pod or see what options I could do for teleport homers on units.

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>>51010656
>>51010683
>just a candle
childs play

>>51012143
>>51012118
I wanna turn hormagaunt body's into bike chassis

>>51012410
isn't canada worth more not destroyed? kinda want a stable warp path from the eye of terror

>>51012444
So it is safe to assume they are shit. Fucking great!

>>51012506
>Canada

Mountie Guard when

I've decided to start an army but I don't want to spend money on losing, so which race should I go with to win all the time?

>>51012405

Land Raiders are pretty awesome... huh. Food for thought.

>>51012538
Orks.

>>51012474
Foot slogging them is something I have done a lot in the past. Having an assault cannon made it a pretty good thing. Have you considered any heavy weapon options?

>>51012538
>>51012551
This, you're going to want Orks, Anon. Best army in the game.

>>51012538

Definitely Orks. They're pretty much top tier in 7th ed.

>>51012561

I got them assembled but unpainted from a guy, so they just came with bolters and fists, one with a power sword. Ideally I'd grab an autocannon or flamer but right now they're all I've got.

After payday I'm gonna check out bits websites and beef 'em up a little.

the idea of having and painting models appears very enjoyable
the game seems fun and i've learned the ruleset enough to play it incompetently
but i'm a self aware autist, how am i supposed to play this

>>51012508
>With that wording I wonder if the rumored 5++ from Cawl applies to Mechanicus units in general AND Imperial vehicles, instead of just any Imperial vehicle including Mechanicus ones

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>>51012602
FUCKING KILL HIM, CUT OFF HIS OTHER ARM, DO IT CELESTINE

>>51012603
>how am i supposed to play this

???

By playing it? Go to your local shop or GWshop and check if they have planned activities, mine always does something for one system or another.

Practice makes the master, this game is much easier to understand by playing it rather than reading it.

>>51012628
she does

>>51012538
Find an army you love the look of. I personally love orks and have a custom army plan for them for my next army.

>>51012603

Do you have an army yet?

If not, grab a Killteam box set ($65 USD) and play some games with someone. It comes with everything you need to play, plus two squads of minis from two separate races so you can try your hand at both modeling and playing the game.

If you like it, awesome, buy more shit, but if you find out it's not for you or not something you think you'll want to handle than you're only out $65 (and you can sell the stuff included and make most of your money back)

>>51012642
But I love the look of every race except SoB and Dark Eldar. If I can't choose by looks or fluff, I've gotta choose by effectiveness.

>>51012526

We had mention of them a few threads back. Model-wise, they'd Valhallan Ice Warriors with an emphasis on flamers.

Their planet would be a deathworld and ice world rich in promethium, which is harvested from tapping towering xenos trees that funnel promethium from the soil. This rich, sticky promethium sap is refined into fuel and industrial-grade promethium, or incorporated into flamer weapons for a sticky weaponized fuel.

If you must, convert some Wood El- er, "Sylvaneth," elk models into rough riders, or at least make that an option for a commander model.

>>51012653
Sylvaneth are those wood guys, dryads and shit.

You mean the Wanderers.

>>51012651
Start with Deldar, much cheaper than the current metal models of the Sisters of Battle. If I were you I'd make a Kill Team of Dark Eldar to try out the game/faction.

>>51012651

Orks are the effectiveness army for seventh edition warhammer 40k.

They're OP as fuck and if you want to win games they're the army to go for. I'll look down on you for being a WAAC (win at any cost) player but if you want to win games than that's the army to go with.

Recommend you grab a Start Collecting! Orks box to begin with.

>>51012668
Re read what he said, Anon.

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>>51012661
>I would consider Terminators the benchmark for hard-hitting, resilient units in the game

>>51012679
Give it up, I know they're shit.

>>51012651
Eldar. By far the strongest army in the game currently. Space Marines would probably be cheaper to start and they're pretty much as effective. Daemons are good but pretty monolist so they're not as fun. Tau, Necron, and GSC are strong also but they're a bit further away from the top than you seem to want.

>>51012616
>With that wording I wonder if the rumored 5++ from Cawl applies to Mechanicus units in general AND Imperial vehicles, instead of just any Imperial vehicle including Mechanicus ones

the battle report text...
"Belisarius Cawl uses the War Hymnal of fortitude to give all vehicles within 12" of him a 5+ invulnerable save. Suffice it to say, Erik
moves one of Pask’s Leman Russes closer so they benefit from it"

>>51012698

Remember, they're all playing 4th edition.

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>>51012661
A moment of Silence for Jarren Kell, R.I.P you magnificent bastard.

>>51012718
What sort of Eldar army? Any good example lists out there that I can just use?

>>51012710
Okay, okay, Anon. Eldar, you want Eldar. Fill your army with Windriders and Scat lasers.

And bring all the wraithguard you can carry.

>>51012724
Yeah, it says that, but elsewhere it also says boost Mechanicus UNITS and Imperial Vehicles. That may refer to the IWND canticle but I want to dream damn it

>>51012733


http://bloodofkittens.com/7th-edition-army-list-compendium/

This should be in the OP

The best lists focus on the three strongest units in the codex, the Wraithknight, Warp Spiders, and Windriders with Scatterlasers. The one that uses the Decurion gives you a pretty good way to build on that base and be flexible.

>>51012725
Weren't storm shields still 4++ but only in close combat back then?

From WD...

"The Fall of Cadia is one of those events we all secretly hoped would happen, but never expected to,” says Creative Writing Manager Jes Bickham, who’s currently overseeing the rules and background writers working on the Gathering Storm project. “Cadia, and the people of Cadia, are symbols of Imperial defiance, forever fighting against the forces of Chaos. Cadia has always stood firm where lesser worlds, and lesser people, would long have fallen to the Dark Gods. Indeed, Abaddon the Despoiler has conducted no fewer than 12 Black Crusades up to this point and Cadia has always stood in his way. The 13th Black Crusade is different. This time Abaddon’s full military might is aimed at Cadia and he intends to destroy it. He’s totally motivated by hubris – he will destroy Cadia. But that’s not solely what this book is about, because the events that take place on Cadia, and the characters that fight for the world’s survival, will set in motion other events that will have massive ramifications for the future of the Imperium. It’s safe to say nothing will be the same again!"

I'm in the process right now of building up my first Blood Angel army. I'm painting up my Tactical Squad, deciding I am going to go with a Heavy Flamer Marine and give the Sergeant a Hand Flamer, (Would also give 1 more marine a regular Flamer just so I can have that insane 3 flamer templates in 1 10 man squad.) I am thinking about the Sergeant however, is it worth giving him a combat weapon outside of chain sword? The whole idea of this squad is to be anti-horde. Also what are the uses of Sternguard Veteran Squads and Command Squad? I am trying to figure out how I would want to build them if I grab them.

>>51012597
Sounds good. You can't go wrong with any of the options really, as long as they support what you're doing with the army as a whole.

Chain fists are about the most reliable way to kill vehicles too.

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>Made to Order
>Sold Out

>>51012537
>torsion cannons penning a land raider
Wait a minute, aren't that s8?

>>51012830
Yeah, it lasts a week, then they move it to sold out.

>>51012603
we're mostly all self-aware autists, anon

>>51012830
Welcome to my world
Some how my made to order got out of stock. After I pay. They refunded me but god damn it was annoying.

Wonder how long it would had been if I didn't bitch and moan across all their plataforms for a respons of why the hell my order was not shipping

>>51012733
>witnessing the birth of a WAACer.

I hate to say it, but feels bad man.

>>51012788

Yup, but a 2+/5++ meant something back then.

>>51011106
Commissars never come close to defeating space marines, either on the tabletop or in the lore. Inquisitors don't either, unless they've got psychic bullshit or a kill team. (Okay, sure, Eisenhorn cut one in half with a power sword, but he was trying to read a book at the time.)

On the tabletop they only do better because they're W3, they're W3 for narrative purposes, and you're not really getting around that.

>>51012873
Anon we all feel bad hell i recommended someone use Grav earlier.

>>51012873
Just get good.

>>51012899
no it didn't

Starcannons and las/plas were the name of the game, and all power weapons ignored 2+ saves.

whats the best 40k novel

>>51012915
15 Hours or Baneblade.

what the hell is the point of an armour save if all weapons now adays just ignore it?

>>51012930
Unless you ignore that for narrative purposes :v

>>51012914

Still lasted longer than a Marine. My GKTs did work for my sisters.

>>51012899

Didn't play 'back then' confirm. Starcannons were everywhere, power weapons ignored all armor and marine squads were las/plas combos.

>>51012825
>sergeant power weapons

never. Waste of points outside of a dedicated melee squad, especially if you already gave him a hand flamer. 3+ 1 wound isn't much.

if anything, you want people to try and charge your flamer templates. Charging into something else is mostly just to evade incoming shooting attacks.

>>51012825
BA are the only chapter that really makes power swords work.
S5 I5 allows you to chop up squads of anything from guard to space marines real good.

A power sword is a much better use of those 15 points than the hand and regular flamer.

>>51012873

Oh no - someone plays fucking Eldar, or heaven forbid, plays with the intent of being good.

>>51012930
more like "what's the point of 40k now if certain armies almost autowin"

most people don't play WAAC games, so armor saves in most games actually matter

>>51012661
Battle would have went differently if abbadon had a new model

>>51012986

Starcannons were also S6 AP3 Heavy 3.

what can i do to deal with eldar as a necron? i always slaughter the majority of his list, but never win on points, the eldar are just so damn mobile. oh and i am using fast neccron units but they dont come even close.

>>51013000
>plays with the intent of being good
This is okay if you plan to play at tournaments with other players who know what they signed up for. Using it to lord over people at your LGS because of how "good" you are is faggotry.

is buying cheaper but already painted models and then un/repainting them an option or are unpainted ones necessary? buying fresh models seems very expensive

>>51012992
>>51012999
We'll these are conflicting. Wasn't planning on this squad to be a charging squad but seeing as they are Blood Angels that would be an oxymoron.

>>51012914
At least guardsmen didn't have rending, ignores cover lasguns back then.

>>51013033

And rhinos were screaming metal death traps. Using them for cover with a homer and dropping termies was pretty good.

>>51012899
Termies were only good with 2+/3++

more info...
At the same time as the fall of cadia occurs, the totality of blood angels chapter retreat to baal. Baal is under demon assault and mostly of the worlds of Baal system are being consumed by sudden advance of the Tyranids hive fleet

>>51012973
Not very, and for three times the cost.

A grandmaster with bionics was good, but whatever bodyguard he brought along were ultimately just bullet catchers to deliver him into close combat.

>>51013033
>AP3
ha ha ha

AP2, you mean.

>>51013046

And if your LGS is a competitive meta?

>>51013048
Think about it like this.

Flamers give you guaranteed hits. You're typically gonna get 3-4 hits per template.

Whereas the Sergeant has to survive Overwatch, survive melee, not get challenged out, and then rolls to hit for his 3/4 attacks (depends if Vet sarge or not). Against MEQ that's 1-2 attacks hitting, 1-2 dead marines.

Whereas, if that MEQ squad charges YOU, you get D3 hits PER FLAMER, which can really toast people.

Plus the sword is 15 points, while the flamer (combi or hand) are 10.

>>51013033

Not since 3rd you dumb dumb.

>>51013096
Still don't understand why anyone would buy a 1 shot flamer for 10 points

>>51013047
"pro painted" models on ebay can vary wildly in price, are sometimes assembled poorly, and can be more work to strip.

An ultrasonic cleaner (about 30 dollars) and a gallon of Castrol Super Clean (about 8 dollars) will do a great job at removing paint from most anything. You will want to wear gloves when handling the Super Clean though...

The past 12 months or so there have been bundles from GW with actual savings attached, sometimes as much as 40%. If you buy from your local game store, you can sometimes get another 10-20% savings. New models don't always have to be expensive, but you have to be careful how you buy them.

lorewise what does even happen if a commissar gets killed in a battle?

>>51013092
trying too hard to win at toy soldiers is simply trying too hard to win at toy soldiers. If you can accept the fact that you're a fag and don't care about other peoples opinions then go hard

>>51013047
People buy used models all the time on ebay, like 1/3 of my models are used abominations I purchased online and stripped + fixed/altered.

I will say that if you're brand new to the hobby, your best bet is to buy a brand new box of one decent sized unit, let's say a box of tactical marines, so that you can just concentrate on the basics of modelling and painting without also having to unfuck some used models you bought used. BUT you should also buy a couple of used models at the same time. Try stripping the shitty used models and use them as your test subjects to practice in the very beginning, then go to your new models once you're happy with the scheme you came up with and your abilities.

After you have tried on a few used models and finished a squad of brand new models, then you might consider going out and doing some serious salvaging to bulk up your forces. New models are much easier to deal with.

>>51013127

Why is playing to win bad?

>>51013096
I love flamers on low BS models, since they usually cost the same points as a flamer on a high BS model.

>>51013060
Right, you just had to deal with the old choppa/chainaxe/power weapon rules.

Terminators frequently died before ever getting to swing their fists. They're actually way better now than they ever were in 3e/4e, beyond the fact that they can't grab two heavy weapons in a 5-man squad.

>>51013126
moral gets lowered and guardsmen probably flee instead of die, which is obviously a huge problem.

>>51013120
Yeah, combi flamer isn't the best. Should be 5, really.

It's stronger than the hand flamer, though, and the question with taking a combi or not is whether you'll actually get to use the pistol more than once.

>>51013120

For combi-weapons, you only need to survive one charge, because likely your opponent isn't going to get that many shots at attacking you during a game, which typically lasts 6-7 rounds.

>>51013136
again its fine in tournaments or if you don't care about other peoples opinions. playing to win when the contest is 100% equal like chess, or a physical sport is perfectly fine. but playing to win in a game like 40k where some units are blatantly overpowered and better than others is just gay.

>>51013048
Depends how you plan to run them. Power weapons are a waste on any squad without a way to get in to combat but then again regular flamers and hand flamers are a waste too.

The best way to run BA tacticals, if you ask me, is 5 man in a razorback with H-flamer and pistol/chain sword sargent.
Razor is las/plas, exploits fast to move 12" and shot both.
When in range you throw the marines out, fling a grenade from the Sargent and shoot with the rest, if they survive the turn shoot again and charge.

>>51013078

>AP2

You're right! Damn, those were nasty.

And ork choppas reduced the target's armor save by 1.

Crazy times.

so let me get this straight. IG is basically throwing its men into meat grinders until they stop working. how does the astra militarum even manage the logistical issue of such a stupid idea?

>>51013167

Why? How is it gay - am I supposed to simply not play an army I like (let's say Eldar) because you play guard? How am I supposed to play against you where you won't whine the entire time?

>>51013115

That's what we were talking about, you dumb-dumb.

>>51013194

They have the Administratum to run the logistical departments of the Imperial war machine.

>>51013184
>And ork choppas reduced the target's armor save by 1.
no they didn't
they reduced your save (if it was better) to a 4+

3+ save? 4+
2+ save? ha ha fuck you 4+

I think nobs could buy power weapons at the time, too. So yeah, terminators were terrible against orks.

>>51013202

They were AP3 in third. Double dumb dumb

>>51013194
That's a meme. They do that sometimes, but they mostly try and avoid that.

But to cover the trillions of soldiers, there's an entire organisation, the Administratum, dedicated to the task.

>>51013225

That's right.

Too many old rules from 5 editions swimming in my head :(

>>51013198
I think you have a pretty good grasp of whats op and what isn't. As much as I hate eldar I can't say that the entire army is broken, they are very fucking good and better than several other armies overall, but they aren't completely broken. I'm also not the type of person to vocalize to my opponent that I thought he was being a WAAC fag, I just say good game and thats that, but the silent judgement happens. Anyways, in my experience I've found that when you play the game and aren't being a douchelord, everyone has fun, but when someone is a douchelord, no one has fun, not even the douchelord.

>>51013198
You're playing an army that can take a queen in every back row of the chess boar. Either voluntarily take less queens (which means nerfing your own list and not-playing-to-win) or accept that people will look at your side of the board and consider you a massive faggot.

>>51013194
it varies a lot by author and by guard regiment

in some renditions, the IG/AM are actually pretty competent soldiers, but they are fighting against super-humans and aliens.

>>51012474
DEEP STRIKE

>>51013194
they have a number advantage over other armies, so they definitely put that into their strategy. but they aren't zapp brannigan tier generals, and will do whatever they can to reduce as many casualties as possible.

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Playing against some of my friends death guard this week. How does my Dark Angels Force look?

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>>51013241
>They were AP3 in third.
you are underestimating the starcannon

>>51013261
I feel you. It's hard keeping track of the post 2e rules, since they're all kind of similar.