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best deck coming through

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@51010047
>ensoul artifact
i'm not giving a (You) to Ensoulshitters

>>51010047
Mana seems fucked even if it is affinity. You're main is entirely blue but your board is almost entirely red

>>51010939
honestly it's probably fine on 12 potential colored mana sources if you're only boarding in 2-3 non-blue spells.

>>51011143
In what world do you only board in 2-3 ancient grudges or g blast?

How do you predict cards like Fatal Push and Renegade Rallier change the format? I predict a rise in abzan decks and possibly a Tier 1 or 2 U/B Control deck.

>>51009878
There hasn't been a single new Modern player at my LGS since Twin was banned. Commander has taken over, and even Legacy players are now playing 1v1 Commander inbetween Legacy League nights.

What happened?

>>51011492
uh... the negative zone? XK-Masada?

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>>51012482
modern is the format least receptive to change and innovation because of the player base being obstinate fuckwads. if you didnt already have a modern deck would you even consider playing the format as it is right now?

>>51012170
they will be universally reviled until they clear a GP and you will be shamed for playing them

>>51010047
You need 4 Drums. Cut a Glimmervoid, and replace the 4 Galvanics in your SB for something else not red.

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WE MODERN SULTAI NOW BOIS

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Here is the Modern Fatal Push chart.

>Buy coolstuff holiday bundle
>get a few neat mythics/rares/promos
>comes with ~1000 commons
>all this chaff
>all these old cards
>all these x12 repeats
Holy shit lads this started out neat and is getting annoying. I'm convinced this is a way to offload excess inventory.

>>51012170
It's a nice buff to any black deck, u/b fae would love extra murderous cuts.
Really good tempo card.

Also the expertise cards are amazing.
>make 3 servos, 4 birds, and ancestral recall yourself for 4 mana.
>-2/-2 board + fused catch/release

The beck/call one seems busted in a u/w shell, and expertise isnt half bad without the combo (pitch a dsphere, ancestral vision, hell it even seems sweet with lingering souls)

Asked this last thread but it immediately died

Is trying to run both Brain in a Jar + Beck//Call and ThopterSword in an esper deck a bad idea

>>51016384
lol

>>51015512
though to be fair it's doom blade against taxes.

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Esper Geist with Fatal Push, Y/N?

Creatures: 15
3 Meddling Mage
3 Tidehollow Sculler
3 Snapcaster Mage
4 Geist of Saint Traft
2 Restoration Angel

Instants and Sorceries: 19
4 Path to Exile
4 Fatal Push
3 Inquisition of Kozilek
3 Thoughtseize
2 Countersquall
1 Anguished Unmaking
2 Ojutai's Command

Other Spells: 2
2 Elspeth, Knight-Errant

Lands: 24
3 Shambling Vent
4 Marsh Flats
2 Polluted Delta
2 Flooded Strand
2 Godless Shrine
1 Hallowed Fountain
1 Watery Grave
2 Plains
1 Swamp
1 Island
2 Darkslick Shores
1 Seachrome Coast
2 Ghost Quarter

Sideboard: 15
3 Extirpate
3 Dispel
2 Blessed Alliance
1 Zealous Persecution
1 Celestial Purge
1 Timely Reinforcements
1 Anguished Unmaking
1 Wrath of God
1 Jace, Architect of Thought
1 Gideon Jura

>>51017297
Meh.

>>51012170
Fatal Push is going to be great in my grixis control. My Jund buddy is hyped too.

>>51016384
That sounds jank as fuck.

>>51017282
To be fair you can't cast it if I call it with nevermore.

Thoughts on Aethergeode miner in Soul Sisters?

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>>51017282
Swords to Plowshares*

>>51015535
That's exactly what it was.
Build a pauper cube.

>>51016384
I've seen people brew like this before. It lets you run beck//call but also ancestral. You can cast ancestral off of brain if you Sac it to foundry with the brain activation still on the stack. It's kinda neat.

I'm excited to try out pic related in Lantern. It has similar downside to glimmer.

Can't cast T1 hands disruption without a mox but replacing some fast lands with it would allow me to more consistently cast the bird and be more adventurous with my Sideboard. Maybe throwing red back in there even though the mainboard is entirely Sultai.

>>51018465
>>>51017282 (You)
>Swords to Plowshares*
what? 1B destroy target creature that meets a condition is not W exile target creature.

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>>51018599
I didn't realize what you were going for there. Thalia tax. I just thought you were referring to the fact that push killed every creature in your deck without downside.

Also,
>posting inferior dnt waifu without luscious DSL.

>>51009878
Daily reminder that Channel Fireball wants to ban fetchlands on sole premise of them being "not fun", because they make you wait until your opponent shuffles his deck.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r3dKQum5-rE
I like this for all the wrong reasons.

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Would a card like this be playable in modern?

>>51022672
please, just leave

>>51022672
It's a bad question to ask cause such a card would never exist

>>51010047
4 grudges is alot. ALOT. Are you playing solely against Affinity players or something?. Also list is weak.

Yay another set where temur gets nothing of value

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So I got a fatpack for shits and giggles never expecting to unpack anything over 10 dollars.

My question is what's the best way to buy and sell at current market price? I don't usually go to Friday Night Autism and I assume casually adverting shit over there is an easy way.

>>51027752
Advertising sales at fnm is an easy way to get booted. Just for the local Facebook trading group and use that.

>>51027447
What does Temur even possibly need

>>51028053
Utility cards that are actually good would be nice. Atarkas is great but not a good fit for the type of deck you're running in temur.
A good Walker would be nice too. Really I'm just looking for a good simic card to run

>>51028053
It needs more reason to run blue instead of black

Is Esper Control going to viable with push?

>>51029164
depends on your definition of viable

you could go to FNM right now with Esper and get some wins

So honestly as a medium-new player whose only experience with Yu-Gi-Oh is the horrible obnoxious playerbase, why *not* Yu-Gi-Oh?

>>51029390
>definition of viable
Making day 2 or putting up a decent tourny fnish

Will norin spike because of the revolt mechanic?

>>51029543
Konami manages reprints even worse than wotc from what I have seen.

>>51029802
>Making day 2
Fucking UB Mill that just races had made day 2, not much of a standard.
>decent tourny fnish
As in top8? At a smaller GPT/PPTQ can't see why not. The problem with traditional control is that it doesn't attack the 50 flavors of goldfishing from a lel you got trolled-axis as in t1 Chalice t2 Moon t3 finisher.

>>51029980
probably, but I don't think his price will go up too significantly

>>51029802
>Making day 2 or putting up a decent tourny fnish
Does 5-0 in an mtgo league count? Somebody does that with Esper every few weeks.

Did Fatal Push save modern?

>>51012170
Fatal Push is a little overrated but will help stop Goyfs. Think it has the best use in the WB hatebears decks since it's a batter path and as a board card in other decks. Problem is it doesn't really stop a lot of the top tier decks. Dredge doesn't care, Infect doesn't reaaally care, and Burn can work around it. It's not worthless but it's not going to save the format. It'll see play though which is nice.
I a great sleeper card will be Baral. Helps storm and might have a spot in Delver. I don't know much about Delver though so that's a guess.
Also Puresteel equipment storm got paladins 4-8 so there could be some legitimate potential there since it becomes much more consistent, especially with the printing of outcome.
I think RG zoo will become a lot bigger too since it's getting some bigger tools to help it. I can see Kird Ape getting dropped for the Elephant and people throwing in the weaker Burning Tree for a bit more bushwhacker combo potential.

>>51031020
No but it's a step in the right direction

How's Esper Gifts doing meta-wise?

>>51034424
Doesn't exist but some of the new tools printed could help it. Push/Alliance/Brutality might be good enough to let it fight the big meta decks. Might be a good meta call in the future or if you can optimize a list but I think it'd be tough

>>51020237
Travis seems like a legitimate crazy person scam artist but he gets results so I can't really rip on him

>make a change to my goblins deck on mtgo and play it
>opponents either concede at turn two 2x Burning-Tree Emisarrys saying how they dont play against "netdecks" or just don't start the match at all
>finally get into a match vs some guy running cloudposts and sundroplets that end up with 30 counters on each and shit
>he plays a card that moves counters from one to another artifact
>does this and the game flips out for 30 seconds and resets the whole match
>can't see half the cards on the board
>constant pinging noises and cards flipping around all the time like the cards are possessed

Holy shit that was hilarious to watch

>>51034543
You may have brain damage

>>51034416
We already have just about enough removal to deal with infect efficiently. Now we have push. Which kills every single creature in infect. Without fail. As well as infect, goblins most of junds creatures and manlands. Being able to remove a critter turn 1 and not ramp your opponent is going to be a big deal.

>>51034424
There's an esper list that is much like a jund list. It runs narset and gideon as pw. I've been playing with it for a few weeks. Has good game against a lot of the meta. Push is going to really help the deck. It might be on the slow side of midrange but it certainly a fun and viable deck.

>>51035706
And you HAVE brain damage.

>>51035706
maybe they mean glimmerpost?

>tfw no vehicle midrange for modern

>>51034424
It's meh, everyone is afraid of the GY because of dredge.

Are Thopter/Sword controlish decks gonna run Mechanized Production? Seems pretty doable since there's a lot of stuff that just blocks your thopter tokens in this format, and you CAN live until turn 8-10 against decks like Infect, but sometimes you just cant hold them off past that and this might give you a way to win right before you die.

>>51039135

Fuck no. Do you want a dead card until you assemble another two cards that don't win you the game until you invest another 12 mana and draw/play that third card?

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If I hate standard, why should I play modern?

>>51039359
Instead of seeing the same 3 decks you get to see the same 8-10 decks instead

>>51039334
I mean Thopter/Sword is a good enough defensive and offensive option as a duo already, and opponents are gonna have a hard time dealing with that alone, but now if they can somehow not die to tokens they can just die to the combo. Having 1 dead card until you get the combo, especially in this scenario, isn't really that big of an issue. You have card draw in AV, selection in Serum Visions, counters and removal to buy time, if you're splashing a 4th color you can have Izzet Charm utility, tons of thopters to block, etc. There's a lot of play in thopter/sword in general that might make the card good, and getting 8 thopters out with thopter/sword is NOT very time consuming or difficult at all.

For a fringe example of other cards that could give a thopter/sword deck trouble, blue decks running Jace AoT in the board now don't have that out to your thopter/sword combo because they can just die to Mechanized Production... it's worth exploring and testing because there's also some resilience.

>>51039415
nah modern is the format with the most rogue decks

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>>51028053
Some of these cards would help to make control viable in modern. Perhaps they would also make temur control a viable deck. What do you guys think?

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>>51039513
I've been working on some cool cards to make blue control better as well, check this out.

>>51039513
>>51039550
Wrong thread. See >>51029711

>>51039434
>I mean Thopter/Sword is a good enough defensive and offensive option as a duo already, and opponents are gonna have a hard time dealing with that alone,

If you could name a single tier thopter sword deck you might have a point.

>but now if they can somehow not die to tokens
You just proved that it's not necessary. Most of the time they will die to tokens.

>they can just die to the combo. Having 1 dead card until you get the combo, especially in this scenario, isn't really that big of an issue.
Except this is wrong. You're diluting the deck for a third card in a combo that you can't get use out of until you spend 8 mana on thopters and odds are you were going to win that game anyways with lethal.

Do you see the problem? There's just no room for it. You beat with thopters if you have them. If you don't have them, you're not playing the combo.

The concern is that it isn't a wincon, it supplements a wincon. It's like, why not play this instant that makes them mill 6 for each infect damage they take? Then I can pump a glistener elf and swing for lethal mill!

>>51039480
legacy is the format with the most competitively viable rogue decks.

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>>51009878
My waifu was too good for this earth...

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How do you feel about this list ?
I doubt about Scavenging Ooze main versus Grim Flayer
If the main go, the SB one will probably go too

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>>51040181
Same.

>>51040720
Looks like you don't really understand delver decks

Should I sell RG Tron and build Burn

>>51012482
Because Legacy is superior to Modern in every way. I just don't play standard

>>51034416

Wtf? How does infect not care about fatal push?

It's hits all their creatures AND ink moth for 1 goddamn mana

>>5104072
grixis delver is superior in every way in legacy, same story in modern

>>51042676
>>51040720

>>51042118
10blossomingdefenses.dek

>>51042676
How does it feel being wrong?

>>51037790
try out Sam Black's Mardu copter list.

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this is pretty much cascade. how likely is this to work with matter reshaper and eldrazi octopus in a green/blue shell? I feel like brewing it

>>51047199
Doesn't really feel worth it. The card is not good until it dies and it's not really getting you anything game breaking or powerful like living end of restore balance.
Seems like something to keep in standard

>>51047311
Why can't it cast Living End or Restore Balance?

is xmage down right now?

>>51044778
I don't think they have enough to deal with the amount of removal in the format.

>when the format so dead you have to save a general from page 10

>>51016384
Are you going to be running any expertise?

>>51039334
Mechanized Production is probably an expensive win more card. I don't see it really helping except against ghostly prison or ensnaring bridge type decks.

>>51055524
I replied to the wrong person. I meant to reply to >>51039135

>>51040181
I never noticed she was a girl.

>>51047311
>>51050482
It can cast living end and restore balance.

>>51055614
If those are the only cards in your deck >3cmc, you're fucked irregardless

>>51009878
After aether revolt would B/W hatebears be more viable?

>>51056713
It's getting Push

>>51056713
you mean b/w taxes?
the answer is yes because push is better than pte in that deck

>>51057064
Yeah, I own legacy death and taxes and might think about building b/w taxes for modern.

>>51056466
Isn't that exactly how Living End works?

>>51057822
You will be severely disappointing with the powerlevel of b/w taxes in modern. Sure you might argue that all archetypes are weaker in modern, but d&t disproportionately so. It's viable, but don't expect to win any tournaments.

>>51057907
I mean I already own affinity and tron, but stuff like thalia is pretty fun. I may give it a go after push is released.

If I want to main Lightning Bolts in GR Tron, (currently have 3 pyros main, 2 kozilek's return SB) should I run the full playset of Bolt, move pyros to SB and get rid of Kozilek's?

>>51057903
It is and that's why you're fucked.

What do you guys think of an LD list with boom // bust, goblin dark dwellers, and the red expertise?

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>>51058064
Yes, but why aren't you running path?

>>51058259
GR? (not running white)

>>51058259
Because I honestly might sell the deck anyways so I don't wanna buy more cards for it

>>51058291
So an outdated version

>>51058298
Just run city of brass so you can side in remand vs. Ad Nauseum

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Most modern-viable card in Aether Revolt?

>>51058210
Dwellers are too slow. The others sound like good ideas though.

Thinking I might try and jam a one of sram expertise in my abzan flayer list.

I just wish they would update xmage faster with new cards

>>51059781

Dwellers actually is not too slow. It's been played before for getting Ancestral Vision and Boom//Bust from the yard in the Grixis Control decks.

Is it worth to put Monastery Mentor into jeskai deck as a mainboard card?

Not talking about combo deck, don't like to play solitaire with myself.

Forgive my noobness, but when can we expect the next banlist?

>>51067391
If a dredge piece gets banned I quit magic

>>51067747
but anon dredge is too problematic for the format and has to be banned because no deck can beat it :^)

4-0 with Naya Burn tonight
Have a feeling that after Push comes to the format the Wild Nacatls will be dropped from the list as they dont have haste and the deck will want more burn instants for consistency instead of the explosive creature starts the Nacatl provides.

>>51067747
It's game 1 is pretty good against most but it gets hosed by too much so I doubt it'd get banned

Then again WotC banned Twin which wasn't really a problem and didn't banning didn't change the meta like they said it would so who knows?

How does mono-red burn deal with token strategies? Just pure to-the-dome damage? Creatures seem to be worthless on attack when matched against a few 2/2 tokens.

>>51068883
Ideally you should win or be within burn range by the time they have a few reasonably sized tokens

In an esper draw go list is there any gy hate better than nihil spellbomb that don't hose my graveyard?

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>>51069264
yes

>>51069264
Ravenous Trap can't be destroyed by artifact hate and is free, but no draw
Surgical or extirpate are decent if you have board wipes, take out the bloodghasts and only narcos can bring back the amalgans.

>>51069282
Any that hose he gy rather than cripple specific cards?

>>51069299
Leyline

>>51069299
What deck do you need to take out the whole GY against?

Extractions do decently against Dredge and are better in lots of other MUs.

>>51069298
>>51069303
I think I'm going to stick with spellbomb for now since Leyline is 4 mana if I don't hit one and I don't really have the sb space for all 4. Might try extirpate if I encounter a lot of dredge as opposed to BGx/delver though.

>>51039480
That thing you said right there

It's stupid

>>51058070
Hasneverplayedlivingend.doc

>>51069264
Tormod's Crypt is target player.

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>>51009878
are we still posting waifus?
or not because OP is a namefag?
I'd love for pic related to permeate my masses

What i should side against Death and taxes in modern? I play mono U and i just auto lose against it

>>51070020
Anything that can kill a lot of low toughness creatures

So not much in mono U

>>51070020
play a good deck
mono U isn't a deck

>>51070053
I play taking turns. Honestly only bad match ups for me are Storm and taxes

>>51070020
>>51070061
Try out Baral, Chief of Compliance.

>>51070020
try playing a better deck

>>51070235
Yep we are testing it but i dont know if we want it... Maybe Time attack will like it more than the more combo version

>>51070250
Deck is fine

>>51070255
What is Time attack? and what do you mean combo version?

I thought mono blue turns worked by playing extra turn sorceries with howling mine effects. Is there a different kind of mono blue turns?

>>51070267
Combo version wants to chain a lot of turns and win with Animated lands with ptw or ultimating jace.it is usually creature less
Time attack on the other hand plays snapcaster clique titi and more creatures and needs less extra turns effects

Primer on mtg Salvation is awesome

>>51070323
thanks!

>>51070020
One strategy is to just accept that the match up is going to suck and if you play the deck, your better off using your sideboard to improve other match ups and just hope you don't get matched up against the deck you're having trouble against (in this case death and taxes). If you are good at predicting metagames, and you think the deck won't show up in strong numbers, then it could be perfectly viable to do this and bring the deck to the tournament.


>>51070323
I expect the combo version of the deck to be hurt by Fatal Push being everywhere once Aether Revolt gets released.

>>51070408
Combo version is creatureless Lol well i have 1x of snapcaster / titi / clique in side for game 2 when they side out removal

In my meta there is a d and t and even if i lose i d like to still play a bad match up instead of a impossible one ahah pongify seemed good btw

>>51070453
If you want more than 4 Pongifys then you can use Rapid Hybridization. And even if you want less than 4 but more than 1, you could do a split to make things like Meddling Mage be less effective.

The reason why I said the combo version would get hurt is because Fatal Push can kill animated lands, no matter how big their P/T is.

>>51070453
What do you think of Curse of the Swine? It's a bit expensive, but it can kill more than 1 creature and the creatures it get rid of get replaced by 2/2s instead of 3/3s

>>51070551
Before animating we usually tap every opponent Land with gigadrowse
>>51070570
Could be very Nice! But i Also have to play around gaddock

>>51022672
no one can remember EVERY single ability. I don't even know what rampage does.

>>51055614
it can, but if you want to cast those cards, just use 3cost cascaders. This is worse than them for that purpose.

>>51070627
How does banding work?

>>51022672
I like that it has rebound and storm. Makes total sense on a creature!

>>51022672
>Haste + double strike + infect
>Shroud + all evasive abilities
>Annihilator 5
lol

>>51022672
What is it's unearth cost? Does it just have unearth and an un-payable nonexistent cost (like Evermind's non-existent casting cost)?

>currently building mono green stompy since poorfag
>ANOTHER one mana spell that fucks my shit up
This is suffering.

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My friend has a thing for dragons, owns two versions of each dragonlord and has decks with nothing but dragon-themed stuff in them.
Long story short, I'm a little salty and want to make a proper wurm deck to counter all his flying creatures out of spite, but I suck at deckbuilding.
>2 Armada Wurms
>1 Novablast Wurm
>2 Pelakka Wurms
>2 Soul Swallowers
>2 Abzan Beastmasters
>3 Longshot Squads
>2 Bower Passages
Since I'm going to need lots of mana for the wurms, I'm going to neep some Explosive Vegetations and some defenders to to keep the opponent from chipping my health early-game. I could put a couple of Jaddi Offshoots and Pride Guardians to do the trick.

>>51022672
>Phasing
>Echo 5
You have no idea what you're doing. Please go back to your containment thread.

>>51072493
Cool?

>>51072493
This is not the casual thread. Try again elsewhere

>>51010047
This list is horrible.

Can non-red Delver variants be at least close to on-par with Fatal Push?

>>51010047
You've got too many colored spells going on here. Cut the ensouls, cut a master, and cut one or two thoughtcasts. I'd bring in one or two more overseers and definitely another drum. Think about main-boarding the galvanic blasts.

>Your sideboard is fucked
Get the three dispatch out of there. Cut a whipflare, and you need no more than 2 ancient grudge. You need at least one Ghirapur Aether Grid, to combat stony silence. I recommend a thoughtseize to disrupt combos, stubborn denial or spell pierce, one or two more etched champions, and definitely graveyard hate.

>>51074833
I butchered the fuck outta that but I meant "on par with red delver builds"

>>51074869
Possibly, probably not, snapcaster bolt gives you so much reach.

>>51075517
If you want more bolts then just play Burn and have bolts that dont require you to play a bad color (Blue)

>>51075710
Holy fuck you're retarded, my point is that the deck is better with bolt than without bolt, I'm not saying "I want to play a burn deck".

>>51074833
No. Push doesn't hurt players or muck up combat math

>>51071930
I thought 8 whack goblins was a better budget deck than stompy

>>51076428
Shit, I didn't even what 8 whack was. Should I switch or finish mono green stompy?

>>51077753
They're both pretty bad so it doesn't really matter. 8 whack is faster but less resilient

I'd go stompy

Is there a deck that involves lots of mind games?

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I really cant wait for this guy to come out.
(nb4 aetherborn are genderless)

>>51079110
What do you expect him to accomplish in Modern?

>>51079110
I'm curious in what deck do you want to play him? Seems like somewhat of a worse kalitas to me.

>>51079170
Black control, my playgroup mainly uses tokens so I don't get activation with kalitas often.

>>51075907
But the decks bad in general and barely playable as it is

>>51079338
with mono black you can either go the midrange/control route which is a weaker jund or 8rack which is just a shit deck
whatever you pick it will suck

Now that theres a new top tier removal spell can we please unban Stoneforge Mystic, Bloodbraid Elf, Umezawas Jitte, Punishing Fire, and Chrome Mox

>>51078183
Fair enough. Thanks anon

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>>51079524
I think they should also consider printing stronger creatures for modern now that modern has good removal. Would a card like this be fair now that Fatal Push is in the meta?

>>51078891
U/B Faeries

>>51079828
There are better ways to bump the thread besides trolling with custom cards.

>>51079524
Honestly I'd be fine with a stoneforge mystic unban. Playing with that card is damn fun and I'd probably start playing some dumb shit like 5-sword-control.

>>51079524
>Now that theres a new top tier removal spell can we please unban Stoneforge Mystic, Bloodbraid Elf, Umezawas Jitte, Punishing Fire, and Chrome Mox

Ahahaha, you think BBE's problem is it's body?

In all seriousness though, I'd be ok with JTMS, Twin, one of the cantrips, punishing fire(even though i hate JUND wtih a passion), one of the rituals, Stoneforge, DRS, and maybe even the artifact lands. Yea it would help some established decks a lot, but there's a lot of other strategies that could now be played that arent possible now.

>>51079828
A. Keep made up cards out of a discussion on a real established format.
B. That card is insanely powerful, if you can't see that you're blind.
C. If you can't see how dumb this card would be, imagine a deck with this that also runs tainted remedy.
D. That's not really good for R/W color pie, something similar would better as a card with B in it's color identity.

>>51081790
>a one mana 4/3 with haste and protection from the most common removal in modern is powerfull because of a janky combo with a casual card

I don't like saying this, but is this what people mean when they say /tg/ is bad at magic?

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>>51079828

>>51081790
JtMS needs to stay gone. Hes a legacy card. Twin I like but I feel like it'd just be weird having it back. Preordain is fine but Punishing Fire is a pipe dream since it stops creature decks in their tracks and WotC loves creature decks to be good same thing applies to Jitte which is just annoyingly good and there arent good enough answers to in Modern. Rituals stay banned Storm needs to gtfo out of Modern forever its not the format for it.
Deathrite Shaman is another no as it is way too good.

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/11-01-15-cheap-infect/

What are the best ways to upgrade this besides shelling tons of money for inkmoth and noble hierarch

>>51085344
I don't know the cost in $, but there are infect lists that run black. I still think WotC apologizing for the deck name Thugs & Bugs is stupid.

MaRo pretty much confirmed through Blogatog that Frontier without Khans will eventually be a thing and that they're not reprinting fetchlands in Standard ever again.

Modern is dead so long as the lispy kike is at R&D.

>>51085508
link?

>>51086310
http://markrosewater.tumblr.com/post/155508760328/re-frontier-do-you-personally-like-the-idea-of-a

>>51085508
>>frontier but starting later
>basically just all the cards currently in standard
And I'm sure when standard rotates the 'good' place to start it will rotate too. Maro's favorite eternal format is fucking standard.

>>51083713
What removal in Legacy is better for Jitte than Modern? Don't get much better than Abrupt Decay/Oxidize/the1000otherartifacthatecards.

>>51086839
You don't remove Jitte, you Force it or Swords the creature after declaring attackers. Or get fucked if the creature is TNN.

>>51085508
>>51086390

Thank god, A BFZ+ Format may actually be good with a few more decent sets in the mix.

Just ban Emrakul.

>>51087164
I'd rather have it start with Origins and ban emmie + baby jace.

Man am I the only one who liked the khans block for more than just the fetches ? Just fucking ban them or make it so that a deck can only run 1 or 2 of them.

>>51089032
>>51089032

>not wanting to play with actually fun cards that were in khans
>wanting to play with delirium-marvel-ug flash shitfest
>the last graveyard hate was printed in khans

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Should I feel ashamed for purchasing Duels of the Planeswalkers DLC?

At least I am trying to cut down the cost by removing all of the foil keys....

>>51089998
I don't want to play current standard, I'm talking about starting with Origins but with at least 2 more years of sets in the format.
I'm not jumping to any such format before 2019 at least.

>>51091623
Why not just use xmage?

>tfw playing online
>nothing but ubx shit brews running 4x fatal push

To make things worse all the other players have moved to tron to combat it.

>>51089509
No fetches aren't a problem, banning them would ruin the format.

>>51093387
Not him, what can one expect to happen if they get banned? I don't have 20/20 foresight

I can see the Revolt ability being a little more difficult to get but outside of that, I'm lost.

>>51094334
No more 4 color good stuff decks eveeywhere

>>51094334
Abzan has access to discard, removal, ramp, good tempo creatures and good late game creatures.
Everyone else gets fucked.

People who want fetchless frontier either are poor shits who can't buy $10 fetchlands. Or have all the junk goodstuff cards and want their deck to be the unquestionable best while others flop around trying to beat the value engine without fetchlands.

>>51094391
>>51094511
I see, thanks you guys are alright

I don't want to build another slow grind deck but my meta is infested with midrange and control that fuck linear aggro. I really don't want to play tron though.

Any fun and/or competitive decks that will prey on midrange and not be tron?

Best deck I can build for $200 or less? I'm thinking of selling out of Tron and I'm getting 2 Snaps and Flooded Strands from a friend for real cheap

>>51096725
Don't get strands. UW is lame

>>51096759
I was thinking of building Esper

>>51096822
Push will not save it

>>51096916
I'm mainly playing with friends along with occasional FNM visits, so viable is good enough

>>51096822
You can't build Esper for less than $200

>>51096916
>>51097033
Maybe I could just do budget UW Spirits or Emeria Titan?

>>51097270
You probably could but it's just blue isn't a budget friendly colour

>>51097270
Emeria Titan or UW Flicker Midrange would be good cheapish decks with the cards you're getting. Don't expect to win as much as you do with Tron, though.

>>51085344
Again

Is https://www.mtggoldfish.com/price/Future+Sight/Llanowar+Augur#paper a good replacement for Necropedes?

>>51096725
Tron is the best cheap deck and there really isn't anything worth playing under $200, the bare minimum is $600 for 8Rack, Dredge, Burn, Titanshift or AdNaus.

>>51094511
>People who want fetchless frontier either are poor shits who can't buy $10 fetchlands. Or have all the junk goodstuff cards and want their deck to be the unquestionable best while others flop around trying to beat the value engine without fetchlands.
Nah, fetches are what ruined frontier for me. I started testing when it got announced and it became quickly obvious that they were a problem. Even now the best decks are 3-4 color goodstuffs decks.
I'm fine with cutting fetches in frontier, but anyone calling for them to get banned in modern is a legit retard

Post dead memes
>Jeskai Nahiri
>Merfolk
>Skred

>>51099273
Kys

>>51099252
>Even now the best decks are 3-4 color goodstuffs decks.
So you solve this by removing what gives other colors the ability to play their best spells on tempo so that Abzan is the only 3-color goodstuff deck and the obvious powerhouse of the format.
Strategic genius here.

>whatcha playin?
>whatcha brewin?

>is fatal push the real deal?

>>51101478
>is fatal push the real deal?
I'm willing to bet my left ball that it's now an auto include in any deck running black

Could a UW Flash be somewhat viable without having to splash red and just go Jeskai?

You could keep all the same creatures and maybe add things like Aven Mindcensor, Venser or Torrential Gearhulk even? Maybe adding Gideon AoZ or Geist for Resto shenanigans?

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>2/2 for 2 that can pump and regenerate itself, pretty much blanking fatal push
Is this the new face of modern?

>>51101729
Yeah just make a deck of 4, 5, and 6 drops.

>>51101478
>Playan grixis control with some modern cards thrown in cause I'm poor as fuck.
I'm building grixis delver,Which I will eventually turn into grixis control, and trying to slowly get the lands and snapcasters I need.
Fatal push looks good especially with fetch lands.

>>51101729
Mangara of Corondor, Aether Vial, Flickerwisp, Vendilion Clique, and Momentary Blink are where I would start.

>>51101964
It'd beat jund maybe probably

jund hates fighting big topdecks

>>51101958
Nah, it'll be trolls with swords.
GW trolls with swords if Stonewaifu gets unbanned in a couple hours.

>>51104466
>couple of hours
>jan 16

>>51104466
Fuckin tallowisp my friends

>>51104466
Stoneforge meme might make me play death and taxes with more swords in modern. Replace moms with hawks, swords with paths and, well I have no idea what to replace prelate and recruiter with.

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>>51105581
It's difficult to run Misty in Modern DnT because the deck relies on Leonin Arbiter for mana denial. She would be better in a more aggressive GW hatebears deck than in "true" DnT.

>>51106092
Oh fuck not you again. Nobody calls the card Misty.

>>51085344
>>51098276
Predator's Strike is also better option than Unnatural Predation if you can't get Rancor.
IMO running only 12 infect creatures is kinda risky, most decks have 16, that is 12 creatures + 4 inkmoth.

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>>51104484
You're retarded

>>51100183
if abzan is too strong it can have a card banned too. a brand new format will obviously need a little tuning and balancing.

right now fetches stifle deck building (who needs synergy when you can just cram the best rares into a pile and call it a day?) and they present a moderate financial barrier to enter the format.

My own personal reason for wanting them gone also involves the wish for a format where the games aren't 75% SHUFFLE CUT SHUFFLE CUT SHUFFLE CUT and 25% actually playing. and don't say standard, because standard is a dumpster fire.

>>51107931
WOTC:

Modern is banned for all sanctioned tournaments.

Frontier is now legal for all sanctioned tournaments.

>>51107983
Is this really that much of a problem? Unless they're shuffling 9-11 times for maximum randomization I don't see how it takes that much time.

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So if Ancient Stirrings is banned, what would Tron and Bant Eldrazi replace it with?

Anyone think bbe will be unbanned?

>>51022672
>T1 Fetch, Forest Noble
>T2 Swamp, Delve my fetch away, Noble for white, green, black. Play my spicy new tech, God of the Fallen.
>Uncounterable
>Unblockable
>Indestructible
>Pro Everything
>Haste
>Double Strike
>Infect
>5/2

Magic sure is fun guys!

>want to play UW control
>Fatal push will be everywhere
>Which fucks celestial colonnade

What do?

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Good changes I think

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>>51106224
i do

inb4 no changes

>>51109313
inb4 arbitrary tron bans to keep people from playing fatties and coax players to buy packs for Sparta Kick.

>>51108961
>no dredge bans
>bbe unban
Fake as fuck senpai desu

i heard some rumors about modern being replaced by a new format. thats basically the same but starts counting sets from way later then mirrodin.

any truth to this ?

>>51109507
You're talking about frontier.
It's not an official format yet

>>51109507
Yeah it's all but been confirmed directly from wizards. Frontier will replace modern, Channel Fireball already announced that they will support it at their next Grand Prix.

>>51109507
>>51109536
It's a fucking meme propagated by Channel Fireball and other online retailers to sell their backlog of not-quite-modern-playables.

>>51109552
You're trolling right?

>>51109569
With that mindset every new format is a meme propagated by sellers since they benefit a lot from them.

>>51109644
yup. Pauper is a meme to offload bulk for more than 5c a pop. EDH is a meme for Wizards to sell unplayable R+D Chaff to kiddies at a premium. Standard is an ongoing meme to constantly sell packs. Modern is a meme of promotion/ban to sell new meme decks. Legacy is a meme where the rich mock the poor.

>>51109644
But frontier and tiny leaders (rip) are actually memes.

>>51039513
Holy shit those uw cards are beyond broken

>>51109552
i mean its pretty decent that it doesnt include innistrads super expensive cards.

>>51109569
>There is currently no banned list.

seems good enough reason to me.

So with fatal push pretty much going into any deck with black, every deck even splashing green will up the count of apostles, vines, and maybe even blossoming defense, right?

>>51109767
>Legacy is a meme where the rich mock the poor.
you could control your impulse spending habits for a couple months and use that money to finish a legacy deck.

>>51110125
not really. why would you dilute your main strategy to include those spells on the premise that you're using them defensively to not get pushed?

>>51110174
I fucking play Legacy. But thanks for assuming I'm poor and mocking me and proving my point.

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>>51110204
>I fucking play Legacy.
i meant with a real deck though.

>>51110355
Isn't manaless dredge only $300 and pretty good? well, $550 if you add the sideboard force of wills.

The banlist is pretty disappointing t b h.

>>51110374
why sb force? it should just be chancellor of the annex.

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WHAT THE FUCK

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>>51111362
Oh no, Dredge is less efficient and Infect lost a hand reveal.

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did you miss me?

>>51111362
>>51111383
Although I do think Narcomoeba would have been a better ban for anti-dredge.

>>51111396
Stinkweed Imp is better.

>>51111465
Stinkweed Imp already in lists

>>51111465
Yeah but we already run 4x Stinkweed...

try to keep up

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>>51111465

>they banned gitaxian probe

y tho

>>51111362
>3 standard cards banned
Hahaha what the fuck, wizards
>gtax banned
WHAT
WHY

>>51111553
>>51111571
To kill delver. I'm pissed.

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>>51111650
>To kill delver

/tg/ never change

>>51111650
Not only you, I also played probes in my U/R and Jeskai deck.

Fuck Wizards, time to get Serum Visions.

>>51111553
>>51111571
>>51111650
>TFW occasionally played UR storm through all of the ritual bannings.
It was a bad deck, boys, but it was my bad deck. I'm finally gonna desleeve it. I'll always remember you, pyromancer ascension.

>>51111553

Hurts Infect since gathering info and powering Become Immense

>>51111758
Yeah infect and zooicide are the main decks here, it just happened to be in a bunch of tier 2 decks because inherently broken cards are a way to raise the power level of less-good decks

>infect is a little too good, especially with BE
>let's ban a draw card that hurts literally every other deck that runs blue as well

>the real offender always has been the dredge mechanic itself
Simply epic
>probe ban
Goodbye delver and zooicide

Nice to see wizards still makes retarded choices yet again.

>>51111826
>tfw bought zooicide back in june

I..I guess I can just use the fetches and shocks to build something else.

>Gitaxian Probe—Gitaxian Probe increased the number of third-turn kills in a few ways, but particularly by giving perfect information (and a card) to decks that often have to make strategic decisions about going "all-in." This hurt the ability of reactive decks to effectively bluff or for the aggressive deck to miss-sequence their turn. Ultimately, the card did too much for too little cost.

We can't play control coz wiz hates fun.
You can't play ultra agro coz fuck you.

Seems I'm gonna be bound to my Tron for the eternity of Modern.

SILLY GOY WHEN WILL YOU LEARN

MODERN IS FOR AGGRO AND MEMERANGE, NOTHING ELSE


NOW SHUT UP AND BUY MORE GOYFS

Better start buying those Karns and Ugins

>>51111999
>implying they won't ban tron since its problematic for $$$jund$$$

>play tron and affinity
>tfw this banlist

0% mad but pretty unexciting.

>>51111553
Removed all risk from high risk high reward all in decks when played. It might not put any damage on your opponent but many games ended the moment it was played.

Here's the leaked explanation, edited for only modern and space constraints.

First, we announced changes to the list a week earlier than normal. When we last announced the date for this Banned and Restricted update, we posted it as January 16, 2017.
The effective date remains January 20, the day Aether Revolt releases. Having it at any other time would create an odd, in-between format where Aether Revolt wasn't yet legal, but [Copter, Reflecotr Mage, New Emrakul] were banned. Since that would lead to widespread confusion and a strange, one-week metagame, the paper effective date was left as is.
In Modern we banned Gitaxian Probe and Golgari Grave-Troll.

Gitaxian Probe—Gitaxian Probe increased the number of third-turn kills in a few ways, but particularly by giving perfect information (and a card) to decks that often have to make strategic decisions about going "all-in." This hurt the ability of reactive decks to effectively bluff or for the aggressive deck to miss-sequence their turn. Ultimately, the card did too much for too little cost.

Golgari Grave-Troll—Dredge, the mechanic and the deck, has a negative impact on Modern by pushing the format too far toward a battle of sideboards. With the printing of Cathartic Reunion and Prized Amalgam, the deck once again became unhealthy for the format. While those cards were discussed, the real offender always has been the dredge mechanic itself. Finally, you might have noticed the date for the next Banned and Restricted announcement looks a little soon. And, in fact, it is. In that area, we have a slight, but important, change:

Banned and Restricted announcements will now be made both on the Monday after Standard-legal set Prereleases and five weeks after a Pro Tour, also on a Monday.

I can see a Preordain unban being more possible now that Git Probe is banned

Would it outright replace Serum Visions or would some decks run a couple serum visions alongside Preordain?

My thoughts right now are that without Probe, Young Pyromancer is a much worse card now in Grixis Delver. With Fatal Push, Bolt and Terminate aren't exactly a necessity. Why do we really need red anymore? Sure their is Kologhan's Command, but maybe it's time to try something new. Esper delver, with Spell Queller or Geist of Saint Traft or something. Or Bug Delver with Grim Flayer or Goyf.

>>51112655
Bolt Snap Bolt still exists

You'd rather not give the opponent lands witj Path

BUG might be viable

>>51112655
no reason to even run delver when you remove that many spells

>>51112750
I'm just spittballing ideas of cards in decks, not saying 1 for 1 transfer of numbers. It's a transitional time and decks might start to look different.

>>51112401

>will no longer have games where the infect player probes you and scoops

those were hilarious

Ryan Overturf confirmed colluding with wizards to make his delver list the best.

>>51111553
56 card decks + free info
I'm just glad they didn't hit the rest of infect
Honestly I'm fine with it, I just wish storm could get something back now that it's banned
Hated Dredge, kinda glad to see it go

Happy about standard though since I was playing Tower and it only gets better

>>51111351
Because Chancellor sucks vs Tormod's Crypt and Surgical Extraction, not to mention turn 2 DRS if your hand is slow.

>>51112655
Delver is dead, as is the entire tempo archetype in Modern.

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>Infect/Suicide Zoo get a slight nerf
>Dredge gets a slight nerf
>GB decks get fatally pushed

The aggro slows down, midrange gets more kill spells to throw around. Is it time to sleeve up Bogles again?

>>51113445
Probably, yeah
Blessed Alliance doesn't see too much play

>>51113445
>junk and tron being the top decks
>boggles
Yeah good luck with that.

>>51111362
I'm selling out of modern, WoTC concistantly shows they have no fucking clue what they're doing, I don't play any of theses decks but this is a bad choice for the format.

>>51113507
While Tron is a challenging match-up indeed, Bogles does have the tools to beat Junk/Jund.

>>51113445
>Jund/Junk and Tron get pushed to the top 3 decks
>thinks about sleeving up Bogles

I was thinking about getting rid of my bogles deck right now.

>>51113537
It still isn't favored.

>(((creature-based combos))) got nerfed
>Dredge btfo
>Fatal Push
>everybody thinking about midrange
I hope you all getting ready because next spring will be Lantern spring boys

>tfw time to work on new infect lists
feels so good man
Wild defiance and groundswell are coming back

So who's ready for Tron and Scapeshift to be tier 1

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>>51113861
Me lad

So are Jeskai aggro decks ded too or are they gonna stick around?

>>51114226
They were never here nor alive.

>>51114226
>jeskai aggro

u wot m8?

>>51115114
Good night sweet prince, say hello to misstep on the way out.

>>51111571
So let's explain it to any fag that still doesent get it.

Gitaxian ban is about making infect, shadow and kiln fiend play without the advantage of knowing when is it free to go. It also makes become inmense and titi activation harder to get.

All of you playing storm or hyper aggresive delver don't deserve it but those decks were already mediocre and tier 2.
However you could stop crying. Think about tron players and how they shut up with the eye ban. (And got recovered)

Those were great bans

>>51111818
Most control and recent delver list don't run that. Stop crying

>>51115250
So now we're gonna run Peek instead, or something different.

Can Delver run BUG?

I kinda want it to be a thing.

>>51115334
the difference between 0 and 1 mana is monumental

>>51115388

What do I press to piss on its grave?

>>51115334
Nah, probs just go back to Visions and slow down a little bit, kinda like the deck was before the twin bans
Maybe Sleight makes an appearance, some people I know ran that instead
BI is gonna drop down to 2-3 copies though so there's that
Look forward to it, I didn't really like playing the newer versions of infect as much as I did during the Twin era

>>51113445
>infect/zooicide
>slight nerf
Losing gitaxian is huge for both decks, the peek is helpful to when to go all in but losing the free cycle is going to hurt, especially in zooicide where the loss of life + cycle was almost essential.
>dredge
>slight nerf
Lmao slowing the consistency and losing hard cast ggt is not a slight nerf.

>>51115425
I ran 4 probes in U/R prowess/Kiln Fiend deck just for that extra boost of damage.

Now I'm just gonna run Serum Visions and probably throw in a Dispell/Turn Aside or Mizzium Skins main board for safety.

>>51115362
Probably
Delver, Flayer, Goyf, Snap, maybe 2 Tasigur
Green gets you abrupt decay , simic charm , sultai charm
Fatal Push is a thing

Get out there and start testing anon

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#SAVEAINSLEY

Start speculating Abrupt Decay now, GBx is only going to get better

>>51115868
>speculating on abrupt decay
>not already owning 8+ copies

STORM IS NOW OFFICIALLY DEAD

>>51115904
>not owning 80+ copies

>>51115957
Storm was already dead

>>51115957
Kinda pissed they at least didn't bring Seething Song back
Storm was already in a shit place and no other deck was going to use the card, at least give it a chance
Plus Baral was going to help it a little, just let it be a tier 2 deck wizards pls

>bring seething song back
>burn kills you on turn 2

>>51116084
>being this retarded

>Wake up
>Git probe is banned
>Simian Spirit Guide still isn't

>>51116016
Storm was "no it's not dead yet", like brain dead and on life support.
This was them finally pulling the plug.

>>51116159
One tier 2 decks runs the card
It's fine

>Playing in a format so pathetic that Gitprobe is strong enough to be banned.

Alright, bans aside.

What are except for Bob decent draw effects for mono black?

Underworld Connections, Phyrexian Arena and that's it?

Planning on making mono black controll BUT I do not want to run Bob because of Obliterators and burn.

Why do people try to make Storm a thing in Modern when they can just play one of like viable 3 variants in Legacy?

>>51116272
Why not run Jeskai acendancy storm then?
Hell, with proper ascendancy you can make your creatures big enough to simply Fling them.

>>51116272
>Why do people want to make a $500 modern deck when they can make a $2000 legacy deck?

>>51116262
Sign in Blood/Painful truths, Damnable pact, Read the Bones

>>51116262
>>51116315
Disregard Painful Truths, I was thinking Night's Whisper

>>51116296
If everyone that played magic tried to get into legacy I wonder what the saturation point is, where all the printings of duals are used up, aside from chinamans

>>51116315
>>51116333

Yeah was thinking of Read The Bones and Night Whispers also

Thanks anywaysn