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>>50954182
>What are times you've experienced witch hunts

Damn near every /pfg/ thread

Reposting for exposure, BUT

I need some people to test a few combat encounter ideas with, and to get my toes wet with Psionics. How many of you are interested? It'd be a one shot or just a couple sessions, literally no meat or story, just helping a DM get familiarized with Psionics and how it compares to Vancian and Spheres of Power.

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>>50954222
seriously depends on days and times, but if you've got more specific questions, can probably help at least.

>>50954309
How well do the Psionic Classes compare to their normal counterparts?

I.e: Psion > Wizard, Wilder > Sorcerer, PsyWar > Magus/Warpriest/Inquisitor, Marksman > Ranger, so on and so forth? As far as I can tell the Psionic classes seem pretty balanced and comparable to their standard Paizo counterparts, but that's from a cursory glance over a Tier list and skimming over the class pages on the SRD.

>>50954402
If you're familiar with the 'tiers', then Psions sit snugly around the "you can't do this bullshit anymore" post-nerf Sorcerers in the second tier. Wilders are below them; more limited in campaign-shattering abilities (less powers known) but still capable of obtaining them. Wilders are generally better blasters, so they'll have more damage numbers, but damage numbers are the least of one's worries once the oracle and wizard start shitting out auguries and demiplanes.

The Vitalist and Tactician are around the wilder's level (you'll note the trend: 9th level manifesters are in the vicinity of spontaneous 9th level casters, but not as high as the prepared ones).

In all of the above cases the powers themselves are very similar: No material or somatic components, but in exchange psionic powers do not autoscale the way spells do. A level 5 wizard's fireball does 5d6, a level 10 wizard's fireball does 10d6, but it's still the same third level spell. NOT SO FOR PSIONICS. Not only is his "Energy Ball" power a level FOUR (powers are learned at the same levels as spell levels) power, not 3, but if he wants it to deal 10d6, he'll actually have to pay the difference (level 4 power was 7 and 7d6, so he's 3 short). That makes it the same cost as a level 5.5 (5 is 9, 6 costs 11) power; a far cry from a level 3 slot! as compensation though, the save usually goes up, because you're literally expending resources as if they were a higher level ability.


>cont for rest of classes

>>50954538
>Cont

The other classes; the level 6 manifesters or below, all quickly fall into the "Sweet spot" of adventurers, the 3rd and 4th tiers. The Aegis is probably the top of 3rd tier classes due to its ridiculous versatility when mastered (it does take quite a bit of system mastery) as it can access numerous subsystems like akashic (incarnum), limited manifesting through harness-powerstones, and even become a partial initiator (Path of War). Luckily it's most popular as a dip, and its greatest use is filling out the gaping holes in most other martial classes; especially shit like rogues and fighters before the advent of the unchained rogue and weaponmaster/armormaster handbooks. It still can't shatter plot over its knee, but it's true that it has a very high potential for optimizing not-casting.

Soulknives used to be below-CRB-Only-Monk trash. However they've become versatile, handy warriors with all their new archetypes and high-psionics (free gifted blade progression). It's a good class, and devastating in combat with certain archetypes. One of the few workarounds to how utterly shit the tech guide weapons were, or alternatively a literal "unlimited blade works" archetype.

Psychic Warriors are solid, Dreads can be very powerful at high levels with the action economy, Cryptics are actually kinda subpar though; they're unimpressive in that "anything you want to do someone can do better" bad-at-being-the-fifth-man way.

Overall the 'partial manifester' classes are not much different from fielding paladins, rangers-with-good-archetypes, Barbarians, bards and other things of similar roles and scope of capabilities.

>>50954603
Just an additional note on the modern soulknife, I didn't really do it justice: Several of its new archetypes are practically an entirely different class, "soulknife"in base statline only.

Most notable of these is the Living Legend; its 'occult' archetype, where every morning the character adopts the concepts of two generic adventurer roles (like "guardian" or "trickster") as his own, which determines not only what his mindblades will be like, but also several of his class abilities.

This is a rather incredible take; while it doesn't have the damage potential of the brutality-blade, warsoul or psy-armory, you can become a pseudo-<role> rather well; like how the hierophant gains channel-energy and domain powers, or how the trickster gains the required trapfinding and skill bonuses. They effectively get to emulate an entire party role - not nearly as good as a real specialist, but actually well enough to properly fill in the gap if there is one.

It pretty much changes EVERYTHING though as an archetype, so forget compatibility; this is practically its own "mimic" class.

>>50954538
They get Energy Missile earlier, which is like Fireball+ anyway. No worrying about hitting allies/collateral damage.

>>50954724
That only applies to psychokineticists (as energy ball and energy missile are both specialization powers) which is kind of like if a wizard HAD to be an evoker to have access to certain spells.

Energy Missile is more like Magic Missile+
No two targets can be more than 15' apart (so, small effect radius), 5 targets maximum, and no save or to-hit roll.

It's certainly a useful one though, yes.
Still, in any case, if you want to do 10d6 with it, you're spending 10 power points.

>>50954222
I'd be down for it. When you want to do it? What are the character creation rules?

Hi /pfg/.

Got a start on the "Students of Sword and Sorcerery on a death world" Pendragon Institute thing, if y'all want to take a look. Rules are subject to a bit of tweaking as we go, but not by too much (I might buff Hanyou, as right now they kinda suck compared to everything else).

https://app.roll20.net/lfg/listing/65297/the-pendragon-institute

Well since the other thread got nuked, i guess this is the new thread.

Anyone working on secret projects? Or not so secret projects?

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Have you ever let memes slip into your games?

I once had a gunslinger named Sam Hyde be one of the main suspects of a mass murder after the PC found Phantom ammunition and leaflets of his radical views in his house, none of them caught on.

>>50955556
My players have been obnoxiously using /pol/ memes and it's getting tiresome.

>>50955523
Aren't you already running Hell's Vengeance? Two games seems like a lot.

Also, MAN that game pitch feels the fuck like RWBY, is that intended?

>>50955523

I'm excited but I-I don't understand some of the rules.

Due to the nature of the game, only classes that possess 3/4ths BAB or higher are available for play.
Due to the setting, only classes which have a Spheres of Power or Path of War Archetype are available for play
At least one of these archetypes must be applied to classes that do not have Spheres or PoW access naturally.
These archetypes do not count as if you had traded any class features away for determining which archetypes may stack.

Am I misreading and misinterpreting this? I can only pick a class with Spheres of Power or PoW archetype, but I have to pick a class that doesn't get those archetypes naturally?

Isn't that contradictory?

I apologize if I am idiot. I'm still learning.

>>50955523
There is no prescient dodger rogue talent in the pfsrd, or is it something setting specific?
Also, gametimes will be?

>>50955578
From what I can gather it's saying you can play:
>A PoW class
>A SoP class
>A Paizo class that has a PoW archetype
>A Paizo class that has a SoP archetype

Frankly, I'm saddened that we can't play an Avowed, which is about the same slot of power as PoW or SoP.

>>50955570
Consider my Roll20 Avatar.
2 games biweekly shouldn't bee too terrible.

>>50955578
>Proving 2hu right.
Dammit, my fault for writing that up before I got coffee in me.

No, it just means it has to have Spheres or PoW access, and that you can take archetypes that don't normally stack with Spheres/PoW granting archetypes.

>>50955584
It's a Sphere's thing. Basically "Can't wear armor, get Monk-like AC bonus with highest mental stat."

>>50955578
>I can only pick a class with Spheres of Power or PoW archetype, but I have to pick a class that doesn't get those archetypes naturally?

Nah, he's saying that if you want to play a class that's NOT a base class from PoW or SoP, then you have to assign an archetype that shifts that base class to add maneuvers or spherecasting.

E.g., if you wanted to play a rogue, you could, but only if you added the hidden blade archetype from PoW:E.

You can play a native PoW class (e.g., Warder) just fine.

how do i tell my players i'm bored of the current campaign because there are too many players

>>50955628
Why'd you allow so many players?

>>50954182

Posting the link to Dragon Game because i love you all and i want to play with you.

https://app.roll20.net/lfg/listing/65144/of-dragons-and-yet-more-dragons

>>50955640
i'm dumb and just let everyone who wanted to play come play

>>50955589
>>50955605
>>50955611

Gotcha! Thank you for quick reply.

It was on this day that I realized that I should have done an application process and vetoed characters.

Oh well, you live and learn. This campaign ends in a few months anyways.

>>50955641

What do guys hope will come out of the Dragon Game? What do you want to see in it?

I for one want to see A Grudge Match between Queen Culdranth and Dahak

ROLLED STATS ARE CANCER

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Decided to go back and tinker a bit with an archetype I worked on a while ago.

The Futurist: A construct and firearm-based summoner archetype that trades out the Eidolon in favor of buffing Summon Monster (When you only have one instance of it going, to prevent it getting too silly numbers-wise).

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1XkoqXlPwmQjVx2CsRBsh1zsXmZvuRWh9dCw2djS7BAg/edit?usp=sharing

Feedback highly required. This is still in Alpha.

>>50955902

>highly required

Dammit, I meant Highly Appreciated.

So have you guys ever done an encounter where the party has to fight a creature thats larger than Colossal?

>>50955917
The party had to take down a dragon the size of a city by getting on its back and HITTING ITS WEAK SPOT FOR MASSIVE DAMAGE while fighting off parasites attached to its carapace.

>>50955628
you just tell them and listen to the sweet awkward silence

>>50955902
even before clicking I gotta say, "in favor of buffing summon monster" is a yellow flag at the least, since "master summoner" is the broken one, not "synthesist".

>>50955972

Yeah, that's why I set the limitation to 'You only get the bonuses to your summon when you have a single summon'. You can't summon a heap of super buffed monsters.

Though the reason synthesis is rather low powers less the focus on the Eidolon and more the fact that it loses out on the '2 turns' aspect of the Summoner normally.

I did my best to find monsters without too much in the way of SLAs for Summon Construct to work with.

>>50955534
I'm working on Tiefling sluts that I'll never have a chance to play, because it's my fetish

>>50955534
Unchained Wizard! I'm making progress again.

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So does pregnancy fetishism mean arousal when presented with a pregnant woman, or arousal when impregnating a woman is imminent or occurs/has occurred?

Follow-Up: what race is the child of a half-elf and a human?

>>50956070
Half elf plus human equals half elf.

'half' is a misnomer. It's just 'some minor degree elf'

>>50956070
Given the table A is as vanilla as it gets, it would be the act of impregnation, whereas maiesophilia or however you spell that would be more in B or C

>>50955523
Looks cool! I'll have to come up with a fun idea for this instead of my Kurgess Paladin.

I really wanted to play her. ;_; On the other hand, making characters is a ton of fun.

Seconding the question about game times though, since that'll determine if I can play or not.

>>50955534
working on a one shot set during a zombie plague outbreak in the puddles district of Absalom where the PC's are children

>>50956100
actually half-elves breed true.
you can probably count the half-half-elf-half-human as a half-elf, but once you get down to octoons it's basically human again.

>>50956101
What's the distinction between Public Sex and Exhibitionism? Some of this nuance escapes me.

>>50956135
Public sex is having sex in a public place and probably trying not to get caught doing it. Exhibitionism is flashing.

>>50956141
Cool. Finally, when the chart says Tiefling, for the Pathfinder context should I roll again to nail down a particular variety of Tiefling based upon the variants plus a wild card vanilla custom Tiefling result?

>>50956129
I wrote it as hel-elves being compatible with elves or humans, but not each other - the chromosomal differences become conflicted and you get aberrations and strangeness. After a large number of successive generations they stabilize, but the end result would be clearly distinct from humans and elves, and fairly strange to half elves.

There are a lot of sorcerers and psychics among half-elf children with two half-elf parents.

>>50956155
I assume that it's really just up to you. "Tiefling fetish" could mean you like those horned chicks down at the Chelish brothel, could mean you get turned on by the idea of fiendish corruption/taint, or you could just have a thing for a specific bloodline, since there's so damn much variance between tieflings.

>>50956194
I do like the Tiefling result, since it has so much synergy with the irrumatio result for the same character.

>Tieflings
>Asses
>Public Sex
>Irrumatio
>Pregnancy

This will be some prime stuff to work with in future sessions.

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>>50955778

I wanna see Draconic Intrigue. Like multiple layers upon layers of minions, plots and schemes that Our Queen, and by extension us, just kinda stumble into and ruin everything.

>>50956024
What sorts of changes are you making?

Need some rules assistance with the maneuver Warp Worm (Veiled Moon lvl 5 strike)
>By creating temporary breaches between the worlds of the Material and the Astral, the disciple may teleport through a few enemies and emerge from the space between worlds having done his foes great internal harm. The initiator makes a melee touch attack against a target, and may teleport to another target no more than 20-ft. from the first (and do the same for a third target) making another melee touch attack on each subsequent target and inflicting 10d6 points of force damage to all affected. On a failed attack or after the final target, the disciple appears up to 15-ft. from the final target to finish his turn. The touch attacks themselves cannot be unarmed strikes or weapon strikes that inflict damage normally; the disciple must lay their hand against the target in a non-damaging way to initiate this maneuver (even if wielding a weapon in that hand, this can be used by simply touching the target with a fist or back of the hand).

Can you add precision damage to Warp Worm, and can you add damage from stances, such as Pugilist Stance or Scarlet Einhander?

>>50956322
if something says "all damage" or "all attacks" or the like you can get that to it, but for the most part because it does not use your weapon damage, you won't get a lot of the damage boosts.

Anything that does not apply to touch attacks (such as power attack) will not apply, anything that's on your weapon (collision, flaming, enhancement bonuses, or any boost/stance that either requires/affects the weapon) will not apply, and it's not size-based so if you're large it won't become 12d8 (as 10d6 would count as 8d8 and then grow a size from there).

What are the various options to optimize a kinetic blast (other than don't be a kineticist)?

Is energy worth the loss of damage for the accuracy? What about with Energy Aim?

I imagine a Focusing Glove's +1 burn for Flaming or something is a bad deal?

Is Gravitic Boost ever worth the cost, even at 15th on a composite?

What will REALLY make the blast hurt things?

>>50956252

I want to see a dragonslayer, who actually is good at slaying dragons, Hound the party.

>>50956503
Ah, that's fine. Mostly I needed the 4d6 precision sneak attacks. Being small only helps with that.

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Alright, I know that some in /pfg/ don't like the weeby jeeby stuff but I was hoping I could get some help trying to as best as possible try to fit Orochimaru from Naruto in as a pathfinder character.

For those not in the know he is known in general for the following:
>Espionage, stealth, and intelligence gathering
>Alchemy
>Summoning snakes, undead, and otherworldly beings
>Body modifications (stretching neck and limbs,widening mouth like a snake for bite attack, regeneration)
>Grappling and bite attacks when he DOES have to get into the fray
>Melding into the environment (as per Meld into Stone and other such spells/abilities)
>Buffing/debuffing (in the series usually seen as seals placed on the ally/opponent but this can be refluffed)
>Fleshcrafting/grafting
>Would often give allies the ability to enter drastic transformations for power (along the lines of wildshape/mutagen) giving them new body parts like wings, horns, more arms, and enhanced physical stats.

This isn't being made for a campaign in specific. Even so I'd kind of like to keep it to gestalt, all Paizo materials currently released, and all DSP products as those are generally what my dm's allow (one of them doesn't like gestalting but the other is fine with it if everyone in the group does it).

Help is much appreciated.

>>50956581
Oh my god, did someone actually post helpful information when trying to build a character from something?

>>50956581
Most of that seems relatively easily done through a summoner or synthesis. As long as you're willing to refluff. Gestalt should just make it easier to fill in the other options like transforming allies.

>>50956581
Beastmorph Vivisectionist Alchemist has alchemy, body modifications, buffing, and sneak attack. Polymath archetype to gain some maneuvers, and focus on Steel Serpent for poison-like debuffs and stealth, and Veiled Moon to turn incorporeal and meld into walls.

>trying to think of hot improved familiars I could have
>list is pretty small of official ones
gayyyyyyyyyyyyy

>>50956789
>he doesn't want to stick his duck inside a Harbinger Archon

You gay, son?

>>50956789
There are a couple of them that require you to be good.

Finding neutral ones or evil ones is pretty hard.

You've got sprites, and potentially pixie if your dm is insane enough to let you have one.

Pathfinder imps can be basically just hot redskinned flying women

>>50956135
Public Sex is a subcategory of Exhibitionism. You can enjoy showing off in public without actually having sex in public.

>>50956845
But on the chart public sex is fairly minor, while exhibitionism is a mid grade perversion

>>50956871
Public sex is sex anywhere not in your house. People have sex all the time in their cars. So much that is became a movie trope.

Exhibition is when you like it when others watch.

>>50956882
So alley rendezvous is public sex, but paying three gnomes to watch is Exhibitionism?

>>50956217

W-what character is this?

>>50956538

Isn't someone already making a dragonslayer? I recall a lot of Ornstein getting posted.

>>50956899
Hmm? Mine from a current campaign with my pals. Upstanding cleric of Iomedae from rural Andoran who apparently likes tieflings, purdy mouths, booty (who doesn't?), getting frisky in alleys or inside carts, and cumming inside for the purpose of procreation.

He'll probably get the Trumpet for this.

If you want the kinks, just put them on your app, Anon. It's not my job to make your netgame sexier.

>>50956892

Alley rendezvous is public sex, fucking harder and louder because a crowd is watching from one of the exits is exhibitionism.

Public sex is sucking a guy off while you're parked on a hill overlooking the city. Exhibitionism is gagging on his dick while he drives through a crowded city.

>>50956932

I remember you! Weren't you talking about hooking up with the party's Tiefling or something, but was worried that's against DA RULES?

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>>50956961
At some point, but in fairness, I think a lot of people have characters that want to hook up with tieflings

>>50957001

Fair enough, Tieflings have certainly been seeing a resurgence in popularity around here, quite possibly because of certain revelations made about their proportions or figures.

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>>50957071
But it was probably me; I'm always trying to keep my dude on his righteous path, but temptations abound!

>>50957082

Remember anon, Iomedae cares not where you stick it, as long as it's not besmirching you or her good name!

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>>50956905

>mfw the party keeps a guy around that could easily kill them, and makes a living off killing things like them

How dangerous~!

>>50955523
Can we stack Spheres Bard and Rubato by these rules?
Is that pushing it a bit far?

>>50957291
Isn't that like... a normal adventuring party?

If I were to build a blaster Sorcerer, how am I to deal with elemental resistance and immunities? I was thinking of getting Searing Spell and specialize in fire since 3e material is allowed for my campaign but thats +1 level and introduces other problems for Sorcerers

>>50957116
Fair point. Still, choice of partner could besmirch one's name if such a union is considered scandalous or unclean. How much public opinion does it take to negate Just hearts and make it a bad idea?

>>50957368
Taking a one level dip into Elemental Savant to make all your spells fire and then taking a one level dip into Sanctified One of Kord let's you convert all fire damage on fire subtype spells into raw divine damage (that is good for bypassing damage reduction which doesn't matter since it's a spell and the developers had no idea what they were talking about)

You'll lose a caster level from Sanctified One, though.

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>>50956905
>>50957291

as i recall, The Dragonslayer was a guy who tried to take down a Blue but he and his old party got fried, and the Queen revived him by binding a lightning elemental to his soul... or something.

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You, I got a question on the SoP PDF.
I noticed some people have MSB listed as a prereq for Counterspell, and others have CL listed as the prereq. Can we have a confirmation on which edition is the latest one? Because the version I have says CL

>>50957430

If I recall, the lightning Elemental came to him independently and fused itself to his body like some sort of meat-puppet, him keeping the Elemental alive and the Elemental keeping the neurons firing in his nervous system (putting the "symbiotic" in "symbiotic pact.")

Not sure where the queen comes in, maybe she sniffed out a prime slab of man and decided to keep him and his mighty "spear" around for a couple decades?

>thread got nuked
What happened?

>>50957490

She's seems like the kind of type that doesnt actively look for mates. She seems lazy enough that she might have just scryed him and decided she'd make a booty call.

Or Some other flight of fancy. Maybe she finds dragonslayers endearing?

In any case, We'll find of if his "spear" was indeed the reason. ROLL IT!

>>50955523
Since you're allowing Fool's Errand I'm guessing playtest stuff is fine, but just to check, is the Creation Spheres Handbook playtest okay?

>>50957527

Maybe she saw a tall, strong lad eager to jam his firm shaft inside a dragon's body and thought she'd guide his spear a little so when he does thrust into one, it strikes true! All that crackling energy and arcs of lightning must surely enhance the sensation, of course.

I'm not him, so it's a little rude for me to roll, is it not? If I recall he's Mwangi or Garundi, so that's a 2d5. No idea on Constitution.

If you want to roll for him, be my guest!

>>50957608

Rolling is only for memes anyhow. I'll pass.

Has anyone ever actually taken the Healer's Touch achievement feat? It's the one that requires you to heal 1,000 HPs of damage, with your running "score" decreasing by two for every point of damage you deal... Plus, it only counts HP healed with spells, so if you've got Channel Energy or some other ability to heal HP that isn't a spell... Don't use it.

On the other hand, the benefit looks great- free Maximized Spell on all your healing spells. Useful not only because it ensures maximum healing but also because it ensures you know exactly how much healing you'll get out of a spell.

>>50957568
Sure! Just link the doc so I know what you're using.

>>50954182
>OP image is again, not a cute anime Kitsune girl
who the hell is making these threads??

>>50957368
If it's available, use Words of Power. It's generally weaker than regular casting, but it's fantastic for blasters, summoners, and necromancers.

>>50957657

Some sick piece of shit, no doubt.

How dare they deny us the fluffy tail!

>>50957655
When is the application process closing?
And do you have any idea what day and time you'll run?

>>50957708
In about 2 weeks. Gonna run Saturdays most likely, in the evening, EST.

>>50957432
I checked both my pdf, aswell as my hard-cover copy both have a CL prerequisite, not MSB. Although I will say that I was actually surprised to see that it's prerequisites weren't based off of MSB.

>>50957822
could it be in one of their faq/errata things?

>>50957432
Just checked the errata page and found the following: "Pg. 149-150: Counterspell and its subsequent feats should have ‘MSB’ as their prerequisite, not ‘caster level’." Thats what I get for not checking there first.

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>>50957720

I'll most likely not be able to make it, then.

I wish you luck on your game, friend. Have fun~

>>50957864
Why is that wolf wearing a pumpkin?

>>50957822
>>50957862
Where can I find the Errata?

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>>50957871
Are we going to have to do this every time? There's no wolf, it's just a Leshy.

>>50957963
That's clearly a wolf! Look at the ears and tail!

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>>50957963
Well it's a heckin' cute leshy.

>>50957891
http://www.dropdeadstudios.com/spheres-of-power-eratta/

What are the essential skills for adventuring through dungeons and across deserts?

>>50958064

at least One rank in climb, swim, and survival.
Perception maxed out.

Maybe knowlege nature and dungeoneering... though i never see Dungeoneering used that much.

Does Gorum get upset with his followers if they take cute captives to pound town after winning a battle and slaughtering all enemy warriors?

What if they're boy captives?

>>50958143
A large portion of Gorum's followers are orcs. Do the math.

>>50957720
>Already have a saturday game that runs on alternate weeks
>In theory this could work if I manage to get them interlocking but this could go wrong very quickly

Oh noooo

>>50958143
Reveling in the spoils is an integral part of war and battle
So you can get yourself hyped and motivated for more war and battle
Because Gorum is straight up the God of Murderhobos

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Dragon DM here.

How are you beautiful people today?

Just wanted to poll some interest from you guys.

Would you rather.

A) Assist local Bronze dragons in human led project to convert the desert into fertile land?

B) Steal a Sun Orchid to make the world best Tea?

C) Raid Taldor Confectioners to add to her dwindlign stash

D) MAKE TALDOR GREAT AGAIN!

>>50958253
C) STEAL CANDY

>>50958253
>convert the desert into fertile land?
>messing up the Desert Ecosystem just so you can have just a little more water and green things
I'll go with D, thank you very much

>>50958143

To the victor goes the spoils.

Gorum was created during the savage first wars between humans and Orcs, of course he's fine with a victorious foe fucking their defeated opponents.

>>50958253

What would chewing on a Sun Orchid do, make you feel lively and youthful for a week?

>>50958253
B, then C, then A. It's the order the character would want, too, being a meido and all.

>>50958253

Bronze dragons? I thought Thuvia was Brass.

All the Bronze dragons are in Taldor, making bank.

My character stole a Sun Orchid before, he could do it again!

>>50958315
>bronze... Brass

God damn it i mixed them up again.

>>50958294
Not sure, But some tea made from it might cure your Queen of at least some of her chronic lethargy.

What's Esoteric Blast for Kineticists and where can I find the stats on it? It was mentioned in the Legendary Kineticists II playtest as an optimization option but no source was given and google is telling me nothing.

>>50958315
>All the Bronze dragons are in Taldor, making bank.
Citation on this? I'm genuinely intrigued

>>50958351

i think its somewhere in here. Along with a couple Brass es helping some water lords with their public works project.

http://havocx42.aura.feralhosting.com/Pathfinder/Bestiaries/PZO9207%20Dragons%20Revisited.pdf

>>50958250
>>50958285
That's a pretty simplified view of Gorum. While he's fine with taking the spoils of wars, he's not a big fan of anything that distracts from war. Can't fight if you're fucking. He also frowns on fighting non-combatants, so if asked whether to capture a city's women his answer would probably be 'No, they're not fighters.'

>>50958217
This part's just wrong. HALF-orcs worship Gorum. Go look at the major religions in Belkzen, it's Rovagug, Lamashtu, and Zon-Kuthon. Orcs can worship him, but they're not a significant portion of his followers.

Anyone know if Natural Weapons benefit from weapon finesse? Like say for a Druid in Wild Shape

>>50958499
Yes

>>50958499

Natural weapons count as light weapons if i recall.

http://www.d20pfsrd.com/feats/combat-feats/weapon-finesse-combat---final

>>50958499
Found the answer myself. Ignore this.

>>50958285
Where would you draw the line? Obviously captives from a baggage train or encampment, because that's right on location, and a besieged city or town would be similar, but what if the city is a few days march away, but their army resists in the field and is slaughtered to a man. Can you plow their families' furrows, or is it too attenuated to constitute victory celebration?

>>50958510
>>50958516
Thanks, I really should've looked more before asking.

>>50958542

No worries. Some times the SRD is wrong. It doesnt hurt to ask.... Ya faggot.

>>50958454
Half-orcs are half the rapists of orcs plus half the rapists of humans. That's still high volume rape.

>>50958454
What if he traded the women for new swords?

>>50958244
Sure which saturday works well for you?

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>>50958582
You can never have too many swords.

>>50958641
Well as-is if the game is just shifted one week it would work, but I'm also worried about the lack of flexibility that gives as well.
For example we would have had a game on christmas eve, but to avoid that we ran two weeks in a row on the 11th and 18th instead - if I have two alternating games and one or both of them wants to do something like that for any reason, there could be problems.

I'm still sort of tempted though, but will need some thinking.

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>>50955523
>mfw I want to apply to this but I have no actual play experience and new players are not welcome

>>50958761
Well, go for it anyway! Throwing yourself in at the deep end is better for learning.

>>50958761

Bite the pillow and go for it!

>>50955523
How's the game for anime-type mild lewdness?
Like I noticed the Creation Handbook has a trait that makes you Ranma with the ability to swap between male and female by accident.

Are those sorts of things encouraged, or too silly?

Alright, /pfg/, I've got a conundrum for you. I've been invited to an ERP game, and we'll be using vore rules. What I'm asking is , how do I break this system and create the ultimate vore abomination?

https://www.dropbox.com/s/p73gowjg33qvcga/VSRD%20v2.2.doc?dl=0

Any help would be appreciated.

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>>50958863

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>>50958812
>>50958836
But I don't wanna bother people with my limited system mastery.

>>50958863
Don't stomp on other people's fun, anon, as weird as you might think it is.

Unless being a super vore abomination is what you get off to yourself, in which case, carry on as long as it's fun for everyone else too.

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>>50956620
I try to be as clear as possible when doing something like this.

>>50956634
Haven't really played a Summoner but I'm willing to give it a whirl.

>>50956664
I was leaning Alchemist, and Polymath seems like a logical conclusion, just not a whole lot versed in those disciplines so I'll take a gander.

Also for these three and anyone else included, how about the new Naga bloodline for Bloodrager? Gets be a bite attack that ends up magic and 1d10, swim speed, poison on my bite, and the ability to turn into a giant ass naga. And since I wouldn't be Bloodraging 24/7 and be using it for when I DO need to be in thick of things it wouldn't be too hindering for the other things I want to do with the character.
Also turning into a giant snake WAS something Orochimaru ended up doing in the later parts of the show.

http://www.d20pfsrd.com/classes/hybrid-classes/bloodrager/bloodrager-bloodlines/paizo---bloodrager-bloodlines/naga

Oh my gosh, are the (you)s back?

>>50958531

I'd draw the line at deliberately targeting non-combatants. If you're sacking a city and one of your opponents was a particularly attractive soldier, Gorum wouldn't mind if you conquered them both during and after the battle, but breaking into a house so you can ravish the family inside? That's no bueno, however Gorum's disapproval wouldn't be so severe as to discourage that behavior.

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>>50958878

Well, you could always bother us if you need help with something.

>>50958903

Yup! (You) should cherish this moment!

>>50958878

You aren't bothering anybody, anon! We love you!

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>>50958910

Hey, /pfg/, how does the roil dancer archetype for kineticists interact with someone who has natural attacks, if at all?

>>50958253

Start with B, Then Do C, Ask to get paid for A, Then use the funds for D.

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>>50958905
>>50958910
You're sweet, /pfg/, thank you! I'll try my hardest!

>>50958959
It doesn't, unfortunately.
You can't use kinetic fist with strikes.

The best thematic option you have is refluffing your kinetic blade to look like kinetic fist. For mechanical options, you're out of luck, unless you just go full chimera soul and load up on natural attacks to get the tiny damage increase from Kinetic Fist, but that feels like a waste.

>>50958904
So how do we define combatant? If a woman grabs a pitchfork and tries to stab one of my pals when he isn't looking, does she become fair game?

>>50959183

If your "pal" is such a bitch that some lady with a pitchfork can kill him, then clearly, he wasn't worth being friends with anyway.

>>50959208
I didn't say she'd be successful, but does the attempt at violence "count" enough to unlock Gorumly justifiable rape-risal, or not?

>>50959383
Yes. By attacking she's now moved from non-combatant to combatant, which means Gorum is fine with you impaling her with the sword of your choice.

>>50959383

Is she trying to stab him during a sack? That makes her a target and unlocks the reprisal.

If he was raiding her farm or breaking into her house, that's no bueno.

This entire line of questions completely disgusts me.

>>50959432

Ask a question, get an answer.

Blame the guy asking them, not the people giving him detailed responses using Golarion lore.

>>50959443
That's like saying the people purposefully taking the bait aren't at fault.

What would be some good origins and/or backstories for an Ungermaw?

>>50959467
Wartime rape is a thing that actually happens, and discussing how it would be treated in Golarion is a legitimate topic of conversation. Stop being a child.

>>50959483

They're an aspect of Rovagug.

>>50959490
>Deal with my fetish that the vast, vast majority of players would be completely uncomfortable with.

Oh heck off.

>>50959432
It's important to know how to Keep Your Spells, Anon. Rules of Sexual Assault Engagement are necessary, if a bit distasteful.

>>50959420
What if she allowed enemy combatants to use her home as a defensive position, and even encouraged or fed them, but did not personally attack our forces?

>>50959499
>anything involving sex is fetish
Grow up.

>>50959467

This is a setting that canonically has rape horses, a flesh planet and a torture god whose idea of glory is carving off every bit of a person until the only things left are the bare essentials for life.

Asking for clarification on wartime rape, something that happens all the damn time in Belkzen and most other parts of the setting, is totally par for the course.

>>50959521
And paizo rightfully gets crap for those things.

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>>50959490
What's the best response for devout Shelynite paladins when faced with wartime rape victims? What about wartime rapists?

>>50958761
>I forgot to check off the New Players welcome
WELCOME ABOARD FRIEND ENJOY THE RIDE

>>50959483

they nearly starved to death, and survived by eating a mimic

>>50959499

We're not dealing with the "vast majority" of players here, this question was asked by someone who IS fine with it.

>>50959483
My gestalt character is part alchemist, and he accidentally gave himself unending hunger.

>>50959483
The fuck's an Ungermaw?

>>50959544
And the other players most probably aren't. Y'all get in a tizzy over some furries, but are a-okay with rape fetishists.

>>50959518

I don't think Gorum would approve of anything you do to her in that case, but at the same time I doubt he'll care if you decide to take out the sword.

>>50959551
A class from Gonzo 2 that is essentially Kirby.

>>50959554
>It's fine and dandy to butcher dozens of people for money
>but you rape one prisoner...

>>50959537
1) Comfort and console, same as any other victim.
2) Try to resist. If you're overpowered then accept it but get away ASAP. Shelyn wants you to love someone, but you've got no requirement to love the first thing that sticks its dick in you.

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>>50959483

Your character accidentally invented a cursed spell that warped your body after practicing Ritualistic Cannibalism while having a fundamental misunderstanding of the meaning and processes behind the ritual.

>>50959554

As long as that player is fine with it and asking questions, we're going to answer them.

Be aware this is the same General that discussed the differences in Tiefling genitalia or which race has the best ass, we're answering questions that didn't need to be asked because, as distasteful as they may be, are evidence that we're trying to give some measure of a damn about the setting and how it functions.

>>50959483

You really really really like food.

Tell me about your Dragons character concept!

I've got a question about Avowed's "Personal Gravity."

The fluff implies you're essentially weightless, and able to effortlessly bound from place to place or hold onto walls and ceilings with zero issues... Wouldn't this mean you should be able to jump really, really high? Why doesn't this Clause grant a bonus to Acrobatics, or boost the height you can reach with it?

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Here's an idea: have a /pfg/ Pre-Playtest Playtest for things you all want to see from Legendary Vigilantes 2, should it ever come to fruition. Talents, archetypes, feats, items, Prestige Classes, and more.

While you're at it, go look at the playtests that ARE going on and discuss those.

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>>50959592

>>50959556
Fair enough.

>>50959610

It's less that you are weightless and more able to define what direction 'Down' is relative to other objects.

>>50959662
So you're saying that Ender was an Avowed.

>>50959592

On of The Queens purely human servants. She has the unenviable task of trying to take care of the lasy bitc- I mean venerable lady.

Organizing her hoard while avoiding being crushed by magical junk. Giving her a sponge bath while avoiding being crushed by her bulk. Providing her meals while avoiding being accidentally eaten.

This has trained her to become the most formidable warrior... and beleaguered assistant.

>>50959432
>>50959499
>>50959536

I have become upset, and I'm gonna be as grossly immature as this guy in how I deal with it.

Does anybody want to indulge me in talking about this stupid mess in an effort to derail the thread?

twoguysgame.wordpress.com/2012/10/10/erotic-rule-for-ddpathfinder-by-gideon-kalve-jarvis/

I'm brining up this ancient thing out of spite, but there are some truly silly gems here.

>Disrobe and Greater disrobe
>detect pregnancy
>aroused casting
>constant orgasm, Level 2 erotic evocation spell
>goggles of voyeurism

I should be ignored, and will understand if that happens

>>50959568
Oh, I don't think some rapist pig could defeat a goodly champipn of Love and Beauty. I mean how should the ruffian be chastised?

>>50959691
>Conversationalist [General]
>Those with this feat are especially adept at making intelligent, interesting conversation.
>Prerequisites: Intelligence 12+
>Benefit: With this feat, the character can add his or her Intelligence bonus to Charisma-based skill checks, so long as there is talking involved.
More fucking INT swaps.

>>50959685

so its secretly an extremely dangerous job to be the queen's maid? With high lethality and/or turnover rate?

>>50959730
S'not a swap, it's in addition
so I guess Arcanists have a good time.

>>50959682
No, Ender was a Taction.

Pucci with C-Moon was an Avowed.

>>50959720
>Oh, I don't think some rapist pig could defeat a goodly champipn of Love and Beauty.
Oh man.

I have so many doujins that say otherwise.

Like so many.

>>50959685
>>50959740

Dragon DM here.

I can neither confirm nor deny that being a part of The Queen's personal staff is a very difficult job and can result in maiming.

>>50959720
A brute like that shouldn't be left alone with women, which means he'll have to be accompanied at all times, but it's Shelyn, so he can always be redeemed. Integrate with him in a community, make sure they treat him well and politely, but also let them know what he did. His penance is to have evil acts punished with disappointment by people who have been nothing but kind, and good acts accompanied by further acceptance.

>>50959691
Do they have a system for modified grapples to disrobe and then force yourself on the subdued party?

>>50959768

Dragon DM! Dragon DM! What are the requirements to be one of the Queen's studs?

What would it take to be one of her cherished studs?

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>>50959592
Basically just this lovely gal.

>>50959817

No. The closest they have is

Penetrating Tentacles
Conjuration
Level: Erotic 3
Components: V, S, M
Casting Time: 1 standard action
Range: 100 ft. +10/level
Target: 20-foot-radius spread
Duration: 1 minute/level
Saving Throw: None
Spell Resistance: No

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>>50959826

The Queen changes her preferences almost yearly. As such a relationship only lasts if the individual in question is flexible. Even if the paramour can ride the ebbs and flows of her passions, she also change preferences in body as well. Most relationships with her last no longer than years at maximum.

One thing does remain constant however. She's a power bottom.

>>50959877
*5 years

>>50959592

Masochistic broodmother-dragon who keeps falling in love with family members.

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>>50959744

I prefer F-Moon myself

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>>50959539
Now I don't need to worry at all! I also need to figure out SoP, though, that's the hard part.

>>50959877
>>50959901

I'm pretty excited for the game, and I didn't really intend to go out of my way to pursue any lewd.

I better hurry and send in app! I hope we all get in!

>>50959877

What are her current interests and preferences?

>>50959873
Which Golarion deities should have the Erotic domain?

>>50959963

At the time of the game start?

Right now she's digging dark skinned humans with blonde hair and reddish eyes, with plenty of muscle. Also experimenting with food play and spanking but that's quickly become last year's kink.

>>50959779
Where could one find such an accommodating community to reform troublesome rapists in, and how would you find enough paladins to police them to prevent future rapes?

>>50959989
>Is Culdranth only able to breed with males, or would some delicious brown musclegirls be included there?

>>50959989

I'm working on a dark skinned human with black hair and gray eyes! Nothing a little Alter can't fix, right?

>>50960032

Afternoon play isn't gender segregated. She's had more than a few girls in her bed chambers over the years. She figures they're just as fun.

>>50960034
Contact lenses and Hair dye mahboy.

>>50958878
Don't worry anon, people will be more upset at 2hufag when he inevitably applies than they will be at you.

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What's the biggest horde of enemies that you're party has killed at a time?

Hardmode: No jobbers like Goblins, Kobolds, etc.

What are the best options for an improvised weapons build, taking items, traits, and feats into consideration?

>>50960113
pssst 3pp or no

>>50960113

Cooking Pot of adequate Trash.

Its a sause pot you wear on your head that acts as an Amulet of Mighty Fists but for improvised weapons.

>>50959989

>Quickly becoming last year's kink

What are her rapidly becoming her newest interests in the bedroom, apart from swarthy lads with crimson eyes and golden hair?

>>50960119
>>50960119
Any 3pp allowed, my b.

>>50960150
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1jWw7bVMARxrXfRuOW20NlRqXEnS_XGLPT6LHTbz2qME/edit#

See: Night Terror Vigilante, especially with the Quickdraw and Stay Put talents.

>>50960157
Also as a bonus, go into a Piercing Thunder or Tempest Gale stance to free action pick up any 'weapon' in your reach.
Which would be, you know, literally anything you can swing.

>>50960145

Probably going to be roleplay. Specifically the kidnapped princess and the dragon scenario.

>>50960177

W-wait, is she playing the role of the princess, or the dragon?

Because a power bottom princess sounds right up my alley~

Now that the year is over, what are some Pathfinder-related highlights you had over 2016, /pfg/? Do you celebrate the new year with your group?

>>50959951
IT'S DANGEROUS TO GO ALONE

TAKE THIS UPON YOUR JOURNEY

http://spheresofpower.wikidot.com/spheres-of-power

>>50960308
I got around to learning how Spheres of Power works.

>>50960308
I got my players to learn another subsystem. It took me 3 fucking years of DMing to get them to bother to learn anything, but they finally learned how to Spheres of Power.

So I need to know, was the stuff about the most recent Molthune app for real or was it just for DHB memes? It's really getting to me.

>>50960364

What's the most recent app?

>>50960318
So did my group, and they fell in love with it. Unfortunately most of my group hates Path of War and Psionics.

>>50960308
Typically we celebrate through a Hunger Games game featuring all our favorite PCs and villains of the year.

>>50960403
>hates psionics
Kill them
Kill them all.

>>50960372
Was it the one that people were going "lmao it's a ripoff oldspy 0/10 its shit kys" over? I feel like it was that one.

>>50960408
We had bad experiences with a player from /pfg/ and because of that he destroyed everyone in my group's chances of even looking at DSP stuff.

>>50960424

... I thought the most recent one was some older woman, basically a female Kurat with less massive list of lovers?

>>50960424
That'd be the one, even though I still fail to see how they're similar beyond both being empiricist investigators.

>>50960309

I just started learning!

Shifter seems right up my ally. Before I delve further, I'm trying to figure out just now many Bestial Traits I can keep up at any given time.

Like, it looks like level 3 I can always have 1 Bestial Trait up because of the Shifter feature, but I can also shapechange to keep one up with concentration.

So at level 3, I can have 2 Bestial traits always up? I just wanna have as many Bestial Traits as possible, and mostly for fluff reasons. I want to be the little mutant

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>>50960309
And here I was worried about it not being on the SRD, this seems much easier than reading through the books. Thank you anon!

>>50960424
>>50960434

The anon who submitted the app was bullied, unfortunately. I wish I was there to hug them.

>>50960471

But why? They were innocent.

How the heck does Kurat hold this much power? What's so good about him that people are willing to be assholes to someone who posts a vaguely similar character?

>>50960450
Ooh! You should go for the Hanyou Race then, if that's your theme. Already outcast because they belong to neither of their parents' worlds, I could see a Shifter Hanyou be someone trying to connect with their Youkai parent's bestial nature. Would also work well on a feral Youkai who hasn't been fully socialized to humanoid social standards.

>>50960488
DHB has one or two fanboys. Along with oen or two autistic witchunters that want his balls on a proverbial platter.

>>50960308
My GM is suffering and there is nothing I can do to help them.

>>50960450
Bestial Traits are always on!

Once you have a Bestial Trait, it's there, on you, forever, and persists even through any Alteration Shapeshifts.

Alteration Traits are the ones that are limited by your caster level, and that's only those traits!

>>50960471
>>50960488
So is the app to close? I largely haven't really been following the other apps or the thread for that matter. I started working on it the day the apps opened but have been busy with family over the holidays and have mostly just worked on it on my own.

>>50960488

I dunno.

The person who submitted the app went to us several times for feedback, too. Then after they submitted they got told their app is forgettable.

We must continue to strive to make this an excellent place so this no longer happens.

>>50960640
/pfg/ has only been shit for feedback.

They fixate on whatever concept tickles their dick and only that one.

>>50960658
>/pfg/ has only been shit for feedback.
Pretty much. Posting links may get people to look at your work, but people here don't generally want to talk about it or explain *why* they think its shit.

>>50960757

Anon, every time a person posts a concept and requests help to make it click I have been there for them. I'm always giving them regions, or races, or countries or the myriad of other necessities that make their concept become a character.

So please, don't lump me in with everyone else, I might have wasted my time on memorizing this setting but I use that memory where I can.

>>50960757

Or even that much. The number of times I've posted a link here and gotten not a single reply can be a bit disheartening. Still, you can't force feedback.

Such is life.

Can a Mythic character with Amazing Initiative (which allows you to spend a mythic point in order to gain an extra standard action, usable for anything a standard action normally would be EXCEPT casting a spell) be able to use that feature to take a move action and standard action while staggered? The rules don't seem to touch on it in any way so I think it really just comes down to however the GM feels. What would you say?

>>50960640
Anon, people go into autistic detail about their characters that make other people stop caring. It has little to do with /pfg/ being shit for feedback, it has to do with people's concepts being shit.

>>50960791
>Anon, every time a person posts a concept and requests help to make it click I have been there for them. I'm always giving them regions, or races, or countries or the myriad of other necessities that make their concept become a character.
>So please, don't lump me in with everyone else, I might have wasted my time on memorizing this setting but I use that memory where I can.

Wasn't trying to lump you in. I was just thinking about that last time I posted something and had the next post be about someone's sexual fetish, and the 10 posts after all asking him to elaborate.

>>50960538
You can always do smth to help him, just gotta find out what

Has anyone ever gotten double booked when a session of their online game got moved or ran on too long, and had to play in two online campaigns at once?

How did that work out for you?

>>50960308
PLUMP
TIEFLING
BUTTS

>>50961054

I double book by standard! It can be rough at first but you get used to it, especially if the games are slower.

>>50961057

Making them plump rumps jiggle is the reward of every Paladin!

>>50961073
How do you do it, anon?
I'm pretty descriptive and immersed with my RP style so I'm really not confident in being able to split my attention like that.

>>50959592
Green Dragon who plans on uniting the tribes of lizard folk into a nation state to burn the world.

>>50959901

So your character is a woman that gets off on getting beaten and bred by her own brothers?

>>50961186

... Yes.

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>>50961186
>>50961228
This Dragons campaign sure sounds like a great time. If you're degenerate.

>>50961259
>gif

The worst part is the person she's talking to is still a better person than me.

At least most of them never led the whole world on, pretending to be some kind of child prodigy, only to amount to nothing the moment they could vote.

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I want to make an SoP character but I have no idea what I'm doing. I don't even know what sphere I like.

All I know is I want a fairly physically defenseless high caster who isn't a blaster. Ideally, I'd also incorporate her favorite stuffed animal into her casting somehow.

>>50961380
There is the Focus Casting drawback, which requires you to have the item to cast, or make a concentration check

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What's a good order to take levels for an Oradin build? I can start at level 3.

>>50961544
Paladin 2, oracle 1. Then go up to oracle 4, then decide if you want the rest of your levels to be paladin or oracle.

>>50961380
If there's a specific theme you want, you're often better going for a Mid Caster that has the ability to be High Caster for a specific sphere.
More interesting class features that way.

>>50961588
Not really.

Most Sphere casters are fucking fighter tier in terms of class features.

Unless the Mid Casters gives you something that will better assist your main casting gimmick you're better off just being a high caster.

Someone sanity check me, Thrashing Dragon Style allows you to make an additional offhand-weapon attack when using standard-action Strikes, right? And then Thrashing Dragon Pounce grants an additional offhand attack for strikes that only generate a single melee attack?

>>50961614
>He doesn't know about wis-based font of inspiration

>>50961614
Most FULLCASTERS are.

Because their spherecasting is supposed to be center stage.

You pillock.

>>50961666
And Sphere casting isn't as strong as Full Casting or even Full Manifesting.

At least Full Manifesting makes up for lacking class features.

>>50961380
>All I know is I want a fairly physically defenseless high caster who isn't a blaster.

Soul Weaver might be good to look at - they are basically necromantic clerics with a wizard chassis, channel energy, and a number of 'souls' they can use to pull off different effects. They are mostly support casters, and there is an archetype in the war book that gives them lazy-lord type abilities.

Fey adept is also a high caster who is more focused on illusion and debuffing.

Eliciters are medium casters, but are high casters with Mind abilities and do all sort of mind-screwing things.

>>50961681
It's not meant to be, dude.

>>50961568
Cool. Any essential trait, or can I go nuts?

>>50961705
Yeah, I know. And I'm saying that Sphere Casting even full Spherecasting isn't strong enough to sub class features for.

>>50955917
Had an idea for that. It was pretty much Exodia.
Huge head, colossal hands and feet, colossal + body, etc.

Would be pretty stupid but insanely powerful physical AoE damage, which could be reduced by reflex saves.

>>50961416
That's good, I like it. It's too bad Sphere Wizards lose Arcane Bond.

>>50961588
What Mid Caster would you recommend if I want to make the most use of a beloved stuffed animal.

>>50961692
I'll look into those, I do like fey and Soul Weaver sounds good.

>>50961727
I think it is.

Care to explain?

Mind, this is for 'normal class' level, not 'fullcaster' levels.

As much of an improvement as they are, full manifesters are still a cut above.

so how do you make evangelist work now? some new feat i heard about?

>>50961746
>What Mid Caster would you recommend if I want to make the most use of a beloved stuffed animal.

Your best options are:
>Enhancement sphere, Animate Object: Bring the teddy to life and have it fight for you
>Telekinesis sphere, bludgeon people with the bear
>Conjuration sphere or sphere summoner, fluff your eidolon as your teddy bear

After you choose one then you start looking into a class choice.

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>>50960308

Well, we finished a fun, long-running campaign, stopping a coup and defeating the evil nobleman who masterminded the whole thing, albeit at the cost of several of our party members (myself included)-that was pretty amazing. The campaign we started after was pretty fun, too, but it was cancelled before we could get very far into it. Still, it was fun while it lasted.

We do celebrate together, but this year, everyone's got important business going on into the first week of January-I'll just play video games or something.

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>>50961831
Two feats, but it gives you one caster level the first time you gain a level in a prestige class that wouldn't normally advance your caster level. For example, the first level of Evangelist.

>>50961725
Traits? Nothing too crucial. The Fey Foundling feat is mandatory, though. Here's a guide

http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?257365-PF-Oradin-Mini-Guide-Or-How-to-be-a-Healbot-minus-the-bot

So if I wanted to make it clear that my Alchemist gained his first level by drinking a formula his "mentor" developed as a step toward making her knowledge communicable via aerosol, is there a way to represent this mechanically or is it all fluff?

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>character's fluff is great and the group (especially the GM) love them to bits
>nothing fits together mechanically, and it's made me absolutely loathe the character
>different character's mechanics and build are perfect, I even have too many amazing choices that would all be fun to use
>never get to play them, and everyone prefers the other character

>>50961228

There's nothing wrong with that! I mean, as long as you don't emphasize how fucked up she is.

>>50961838
This is tough, I'd probably go with conjuration, maybe with some enhancement on the side. Though, do summoners not get high progression on conjuration, I don't see anything about that.

>>50959592
A runt on a hopeless quest to become beefcake.

>>50961873
So you'd want to take these feats before taking levels in Evangelist in order to prepare for it? Which class is the best to start as for it?

>>50961995

I want to take your character under his wing and make him a beefcake worthy of laying the queen herself!

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>>50959768
With everything you've said of the queen, I picture her maids as being less "Roberta" and more "Dejima"

>>50962000
Wizard is already a bit short on feats, but technically you could manage it? Really the best classes would probably be Sorcerer or Witch, full casters that don't miss those feats all that badly, and really like the benefits of evangelist.

>>50961959
Cognatogen?

>>50962069
I was expecting something more complicated but that works.

>>50961969
Maybe play something other than Pathfinder. I love Pathfinder but the character concept tends to emerge from the build, not the other way around. It's hard to make an effective character that doesn't invest its attributes and feats 'properly'.

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Remember, no new threads until we hit page 7 at least.

>>50962169
Does Iomedae permit her followers to blow trumpets at captives or non-combatants?

>>50962140
>>50961969
Man is it weird that I don't have this problem because I prefer characters with identities and issues more or less unrelated to their mechanics? I mean I honestly like it when classes and feats don't have a whole lot of fluff baked in. Part of the reason I don't really like the Avowed.

>>50962185

Ramsay Bolton was a worshiper of Iomedae?

>>50962185
Only if they get opinion questions wrong.

>>50961985

Yeah, that's what I'm working on doing, figuring out the specifics there, how to have this bit relatively central to the character without being just pure fetish.

>>50958347
Kineticists of Porphyra IV playtest.
It is a Time/Void/Aether high-composite that selects a simple (for +4 burn) or composite (for +6 burn) blast and increases its die-size by 2 while also adding +2 damage per die

It's pretty much the largest damage upgrade composite, BUT the cost is insane (a naked esoteric composite is at least 7 burn on its own once you have composite specialization) before ANY infusions (and you're going to need some to lower the costs through infusion spec).

It allows you to deal crossbow-grade damage.
Not bolt-ace, but regular crossbow.

That's as good as it gets for a kineticist despite the high cost, but it's still not good.

It helps (due to x/dice) the onslaught kineticist the most - assuming that shitass "you can never deal more than a regular kinetic blast would" line gets removed* since they're built around die-size and +x/dice for damage while other kineticists will instead want to multiply their attack actions and empower what they've got.


*given they *lose* all the abilities that improve the damage of a "standard blast" in exchange for "more shots" as their archetype abilities, that fucking line trashes them to below regular kineticists even against 2-3 targets if they split their blasts across a few)

>>50962290

Write her like Cersei; she fucks her siblings and gladly carries their children, but the important thing is what she does outside the bedroom.

Okay /pfg/, need some build advice.

I've always loved the Lore Warden/Martial Master fighter. Namely using martial flexibility by level 9 to grab pretty much any combat maneuver the situation calls for. (in addition to other stuff like blind fight/greater blindfight, endurance/diehard, cleave/great cleave, etc.

I thought about trying to combine this with the Myrmidon archetype, and was wondering what disciplines/stances/maneuvers/etc work with the idea.

It seems the biggest clash is giving up a good deal of bonus feats for stances, which does hurt the flexibility aspect of the build.

Another thing of note is that it seems to scale off Wisdom, which also hurts the initiator aspect?

>>50962190
When it's well done, especially if 'generic' enough or separated enough, I like it.

A lot of classes or abilities either require a certain mindset, outlook, or may instead inflict one.

It's *certain kinds* of people that are going to end up with a Self-Avowed pact, or a Nation pact. Being a Wilder instead of a different psi class involves certain mindset as well.

And over in Hackmaster, a Berserker didn't just require a certain mindset, he got a serious mental illness for free! Because you don't fucking lose yourself in IFF-offline red-hazed bloodrages at the drop of a pin without something being VERY FUCKING WRONG WITH YOU!

Even older classes; consider how becoming a wizard means you've got to be willing to spend a full set of university degrees worth of time studying, cleaning some old codger's house, studying and sometimes also studying.

Or how literally having your god's power at your fingertips MIGHT affect how you act.

That shit changes you, or you fit that shit to begin with.

>>50962290

Emphasize how much she loves her children and how she's willing to do anything to protect them - the fact those children are from her "family" and its growing every day is irrelevant, she wants to make the future better for her kids, whatever that means (or navigate her kids to positions of power in Avistan! Imagine her son becoming King of Cheliax, or a daughter marrying the King of Taldor.)

I had something of an emergency and had to leave the computer for a couple days so I have some questions about /pfg/ games

What's up with Molthune? Are applications still open?

Has ROTJR opened apps yet?

>>50962320
Your initiation modifier isn't all too important, remember, since not TOO many things actually use it. A 14 in Wisdom should be enough for most things, which you'd also want for a fighter.

The other thing is that the point of the Lore Warden is you don't /need/ that much int, since you'll be getting at least 3 skill points at every level, and that's if you're dumping Int. If you boost Int to 12 instead, then you're getting 5 skill points per level, and if you leave it alone you're getting 4.

And finally, for feats, you lose 2nd, 6th, 10th, and 14th. This'll leave you at 17 feats at level 21, 4 behind what a fighter normally has, but 7 ahead of what you'd have without any bonus feats. Add in Martial Master and you won't be hurting.

>>50962385
>It's *certain kinds* of people that are going to end up with a Self-Avowed pact, or a Nation pact.
Selft-Pact, not really. It's pretty much another "you trained a lot". Nation Pact just requires you be patriotic.

>Being a Wilder instead of a different psi class involves certain mindset as well.
Not really. You're more prone to emotional outbursts and it probably reflects how you don't really train your Psionic power and just go nuts without regard to your safety.
>Hackmaster
>Or how literally having your god's power at your fingertips MIGHT affect how you act.
And that's precisely why that kind of class fluff is shitty. Divine classes were a mistake.
>Even older classes; consider how becoming a wizard means you've got to be willing to spend a full set of university degrees worth of time studying, cleaning some old codger's house, studying and sometimes also studying.
Making a lot of assumptions about wizards and magic in the setting. But even then that's still a lot of room for personality and history. Maybe your wizard training was pretty much unremarkable?

>>50962445
Molthune - Applications are still open.
RotJR - Applications have not yet opened.

>>50962485
Thanks.

Any idea how long Molthune apps are open? I see the roll20 says 2 weeks, are they being accepted up until that time?

>>50962505
I believe the GM said they'll be open until the 5th.

>>50962190
For me, it's more like I want to play a character with an interesting idea regardless of whether they're mechanically viable. I once rolled up a Fighter with 11 Str, 9 Dex, 10 Con, 17 Int, 13 Wis, and 16 Cha. My character grew up in a hick town and wasn't able to get any kind of wizardly training, nor did he have any kind of magical aptitude. He was smart and good-looking but dirt poor with a generation of debts from his late father, so he signed on as a town guard and lost three-quarters of his paycheck to the local moneylender every month. He eventually joined the group hoping to get some treasure and pay off his debts, because otherwise he was going to be making a pittance until he was about 55. My starting feats were Alertness since he was a lookout, Endurance since he needed to stay up late on shift, and Blind-Fight from working the night shift so often for extra coin.

This character performed extremely poorly, even compared to the lightly optimized characters in the party. He was a worse combatant than everyone else, and despite having two excellent attributes they were of no use to him. Eventually the group begged me to play a different character not because my guy wasn't interesting or fun to roleplay with, but because he was completely dead weight in every battle.

>>50962472
I supposed bumping Wis could work, namely because I usually invest in IUS to get ImpGrapple/GtrGrapple with Martial Flexibility.
Having an open line to stunning fist/?? can't hurt.

I worry about losing 2nd, 6th, and 10th level feats mostly because I don't see a lot of games go past 12. Then again without Myrmidon I don't see the build really come online till level 9 anyway.

Just curious do you know if any PoW stuff helps with UMD at all? I generally like to go Dangerously Curious and Pragmatic Activator for traits.

>>50962505

Are there any applications still uncounted for? I thought everyone that had wanted to apply, did.

OP of this thread, I'm glad and surprised to see it still around.

Once we hit page 8, I'll try to make the next one too, since it seems like shitposter is asleep

>>50962648
New year's resolutions edition?

>>50962648
Or banned

Maybe angry anon found the poor fucker and we'll be on the news soon.

Either way good riddance

Does the Dragon Queen for the Dragons campaign have a humanoid form, or are we expected to serve and service her as a five-headed dragon?

>>50962663
Could work, I'll consider it

>>50962666
Don't jinx us, Satan!

>>50962483
No, it goes beyond "you trained a lot". Even without the fluff, you don't just get unarmed strike and reading their power levels.
>You give yourself Divine Grace; the same ability paladin gods give them.
>You can burn off petrification with pure force of will; hell you can will your fucking eyes to grow fucking back
>You snatch your soul back if it was sold, and are immune to negative levels from rezzing as well as soultraps
That's not just "you trained a lot"; that transcends monks right there.
And you can't tell me someone with an Otyugh pact wasn't a little... odd to even accept it.

>Wilder
You're making my argument for me there. "reflects how you don't really train your psionic power and just go nuts without regard to your safety". As opposed to a regular psion for example? Who DOES train and doesn't go nuts without regard, and ends up with different abilities you say?

>clerics, etc
You're going to tell me getting an oracle curse will never change how you live, or how you might look at life?
Even when it might literally blind you or make you permanently catatonic?

>Wizards
Unremarkable or not doesn't matter, the point is wizards since 2nd edition learn to cast their spells from heavy memorization, as opposed to sorcerers, etc. When the spellcaster gets his powers innately he becomes a sorcerer or something else.

I never said one only has the fluff as their personality. I said that in a lot of these cases it could and should affect your character at least a bit. Stuff like classes range from "this is what I'll be when I grow up" to "and then *this* happened". To say the mechanics should not have anything to do with the character is like saying that becoming an olympic athlete has nothing to do whatsoever with any athletic ability.

>>50962734
To be fair stephen hawking can leave usain bolt in the dust on a straight dash.

>>50962734
>That's not just "you trained a lot"; that transcends monks right there.
It literally is though.
>Who DOES train and doesn't go nuts without regard, and ends up with different abilities you say?
They're basically the same class bar the ability scores and wild surge. Shit, if the Psion has overchannel they are basically one and the same.

>You're going to tell me getting an oracle curse will never change how you live, or how you might look at life?
That's not what I'm saying.

>>50962734
>not making a pact with the friendly trash puppy

Otyughs are friends, anon. Very smelly friends, but friends nonetheless.

>>50962734
>Stuff like classes range from "this is what I'll be when I grow up" to "and then *this* happened". To say the mechanics should not have anything to do with the character
No that's not what I'm saying at all. I'm saying your characters personality by and large can exist independently of fluff. Two people with the same profession and skill set can have incredibly different outlooks on life, personalities etc.

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>>50954182
The campaign ended before I could use the witch hunters on the PCs.

>>50962734
Probably because Self Avowed are using psychic magic - y'know, the same shit the Psychic uses - to buff themselves?

>>50962767
Overchannel is not the same as most wild surge forms, and the two can stack at that. They might be similar classes but they're very different approaches to it. At the very least, when it comes to how they approach their powers, the two classes do not think the same way.

>>50962850
Psychic magic isn't about training, it's about the connection between things. Self pact is about your own egotism and shit. It's dumb but honestly this whole
"Oh make a pact that you don't need to really honor in any way whatsoever and there are no mechanical consequences for not doing so" thing is really kinda dumb.