Warhammer 40k General

>>50935472
Because I was making a thread and somehow I ended up making it within seconds of another person.

>>50935449

Second for Dark Eldar gunboat spam being viable

Contenued from last threads last thread

Quick guardsmen anons, name 3 or more ideas for toughness models that don't involve a guardsmen ridding a bike or animal that could move 12"s to help with guards shitty mobility, go!

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Can I get some links to these supposed leaks for fall of cadia?

>I have a cigar chomping friend who says he will take whatever tactical advantage he can get at this point

>>50935537
> Deep striking guard.. AKA just run Elysian Drop Troops
> Xeno Cavalry
> MAN CANNON

Why not just load up your guardsmen in a man-cannon equipped tank, and shoot them across the battlefield?

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Guard thread? I say this day will be a glorious day for the mighty Hammer of The God-Emperor!!!
Also post your dudes anons. That's fun.

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>>50935589
I just have my kill-team roster right now.

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>>50935589
Yes this general has been claimed by the sledgehammer of the imperium, 13-0 vs the chaos legions, u mad Abby?

Posted my mans when I posted about my apoc game but I'll post it again, I've made tons of progress since this pic was taken and should have a fully painted army to show off in a couple weeks

>>50935589
Sadly i think those bases really let this army down.
Also fucking post in the other thread.

>>50935487

Tell me your secrets

>>50935683
What would you suggest for bases. I just did Ironcrust because I was inspired by that one planet in that Starship Troopers movie. That's also where I got the color scheme for my lads.

YO HELP ME OUT /40kg/

I want a short campaign for two players, consecutive scenarios work too

I play Orkz and my buddy plays Muhrines

Any suggestions?

>>50935944
GW just released a new campaign book--Planetstrike, iirc. It's useful for long narratives with multiple encounters. Remember to use the Space 0din codex if you want to have fun, famalam.

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>>50935589

So I got a question. I wanna roll cotez Touqmada as my HQ for my IA army.

Do inquisition units suffer on all doubles when you pick Daemonology? Or are they treated as grey knights ?

>>50936615

Unless explicitly stated, like Grey Knights, they roll doubles on Daemonology. Of course, Grey Knights are limited to Sanctic just as Daemons are limited to Malefic. Everyone else suffers perils on dubs.

>>50936704
Ahhh okay. I just wasn't sure where the inquisition stood as far as that went.

I mean for my Ordo Xeno inquisitor I always get prescience for the conversion beam.

I was just looking to explore Daemonology with Touqmada. Guess I better not...

>>50936747

If you're willing to risk it, go ahead. There's nothing stopping you, just more risk.

>>50936756
But is vortex of doom worth it...if I can even roll it...

I mean I had the one game where I had my run of the mill inquisitor roll it a few years back....vortex flew back and killed him.
Great fun.

I still won.

>>50936786
i've only seen vortex of doom used once this year, grey knight warlord libby failed to cast it and actually killed himself through perils by turn 2

>>50936841
It's the worst feeling.

Least my vortex got a couple kills before it flew back in my face...

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>>50936889
no, worse is getting -1 invuls when you're about to launch your best assault with your new favorite unit. more so when you had 2+ invul on that exalted seeker chariot with herald the turn before

>>50937101
Jesus man.

I'll get the pyre going.

>>50937154
it's okay, with incursion now my chariots run over dreadnoughts like nobody's business

>>50936786
Doom vortexes are the best. Had a Big Mek shoot one at a commissar and his squad.
Wiped them from the map and rolled around his side of the table.

>>50935944
Only thing would be planet take over.
Like another anon suggests, Planetstrike is good for such a thing.
My idea for a good little campaign for me and my friend who played IG and Marines is have a small space battle with Zone of Mortalus rules and have the objective to kill the captain of the ship as orks. Every player turn the ship shakes or something else can happen to make it dangerous to fight on the ship.

Then you kinda add ideas from there, if orks win then they can have certain amount of units deep strike in or have an orbital bombardment. Or have the Imperials get an OB and other things for Planet Strike.

With the marines, have them hold more chokeholds or city battles, small skirmishes can escalate into a bit defend a beacon or space port for either side to see who wins the planet.

>>50935589
>he playing most irrelevant army

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Age of the Emperor coming soon in your flgs.

>>50937595
Well I guess it's time to give X-wing a chance.

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Just wondering, is there a limit to how many cadre firebldes I could attach to one squad of firewarriors? Im new to 40k and getting one squad to put a silly amount of shots out is one of my personal goals just for fun

also wondering what I should pick up next for my first army, so far I have;
>3 firewarrior teams
>3 stealth suits
>3 crisis suit
>1 hammerhead
>2 fireblades
>1 ethereal

What powers does Khorne give? Does he literally just make you angry?

>>50938016
Strength and martial prowess, mostly. Some form of resistance against psykers might also be in the cards.

>>50938016

Khorne grants boons just like other gods. The anger is usually that of the user, and you don't need to be angry to spill blood in Khorne's name but it helps. Otherwise, the regular tokens chaos hands out for catching Khorne's eye like a Flaming Axe, a collar that tells nerd powers to fuck off, or a mention in the company Christmas card.

Khorne doesn't really care about how angry you are, only that you spill blood. Space Marines, with their enhanced physiology and mental fuckery, can get really angry, bonus points for Butcher's Nails, which certainly help them become more mindlessly devoted to the mindless slaughter. A mere mortal would have to be exceptionally skilled to meet the kinds of slaughter standards a CSM could dish out, though, so most of Khorne's champions are going to be big, beefy space marines.

Can a loyalist terminator with cyclone missiles fire his storm bolter and missiles in the same turn?

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this a good start? figure it could go either IF or WS when i expand it

>>50938149

No, regular faggot Terminators are limited to one gun per turn just like regular power armor marines, unless you have something special that says otherwise.

>>50938149
>>50938233

Wait nevermind I think the CML has a special rule saying it can be fired with the Storm Bolter? I'm not sure though.

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where my leviathan bro's at, just got mine painted

after last thread's bitching about forgeworld models im wondering now if this thing is too op on tabletop for my local group or not

>>50938248
Its not OP but its definitely strong. An army with grav or haywire would easily murder it though.

>>50938248

Leviathans are priced just right. They're sturdier than most Dreadnoughts but they're still a walker that's easy to kill with anti-vehicle weapons, and they do massive damage but must either swap all arms to short ranged, expensive guns, or get into melee and probably get killed by its target as well.

It's the least OP big unit. Imperial Knights, Magnus, Riptides, Stormsurges, Wraithknights are all more OP.

>>50938248

>Don't talk to me or my battle brother ever again

>>50938246
>>50938149
Found it:
"A Terminator can fire his cyclone missile launcher in addition to his storm bolter." From Marines the rulebook.

>>50938248
Using the storm cannon doesn't make much sense to me. You have to charge whenever you're able and you lose an attack so the cannon becomes more of a hindrance, especially for 20 points.
But that's just me.

>>50938286

Sweet-Spot units, ohhh how I love those. Would Crisis suits be counted among them? What makes a great balanced unit that's just right for points, has some strengths, and some equal weaknesses?

>>50938248
>red themed Astral Claws with wolf bits

WOT'Z ALL DIS DEN

>>50938305
No crisis suits are jet pack units; so they can just jump out of sight after shooting or jet pack away from the melee unit that was about to turn them into paste. Really jet pack as a unit type needs to be reworked to be less retardedly strong.

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>>50938301
Magnetized the arms, I'm planning on fielding it with two claws but got the storm cannon because I love how it looks

>>50938305

Crisis Suits are slightly above average. If they didn't belong to the Tau codex they'd be about right.

>>50938305
Wraithlords

I currently play a Veteran squad heavy Imperial Guard army, using the Cadian supplement. With the Fall of Cadia coming up, one of the chaos players (Khorne aligned) believes I should slowly have my Regiment fall to chaos.

Should I give in to the lure of Chaos or should I continue to defend the empire that allowed my homeworld to fall?

>>50938341

No ObjSec, no markerlights, no non-weapon hardpoints, no HQ deathstar style deep striking

>>50935537
>>50935537
Tempestus Sentinels: Armored Jetpack Sentinels armed with Hotshot Multilasers. You know you want them.
Stormgryns: A Bullgryn variant armed with excessively risky Jump Packs and dual Grenade Gauntlets with underslung Powerblades. You know you want them.
Combat engineering teams that infiltrate, and in any turn where the entire unit starts in a piece of area terrain, they may fortify it to make it count as +1 cover, and infantry units don't have to take Difficult Terrain tests inside it. You know you want them.

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>>50938339
That's a great pose but the base seems too tiny.
I love how the Leviathan is so perfect to make charging into battle, there just something about the BIG MEATY CLAWS

>>50938344
>it took Eldar to get to 7E levels for Wraithlords to be balanced

I think the fact that the WL is no longer a bad unit shows just how OP 7E Eldar are. Even in 6E, WLs were shit terrible.

>>50938376
well shit I guess it came with the wrong base size

what size base should I have gotten i might have a spare lying around

Hey /tg/ my older brother and I are going to have a small 1200 point battle over the weekend.

He's bringing guard

Only thing I know about his list so far is his three standard Leeman russ

A Valk and two platoons


I'm looking to throw my Imperial agents with death watch against him.


Any tips?

I know all his lists are fluffy for his regiment.

Cqc urban warfare is his theme.

>>50938376
>pictured is a Space Wolf bully shoving a Thousand Sons nerd after the latter refused to hand over his lunch money

>>50938396
Its like an 80mm or something, it's enormous

>>50938344

I've always loved the look of Wraithlords.

>>50938458
Even the old metal ones are still charming.
I have to finish my one that's wielding a wraithknight sword

>>50938395
Wraithlords were passable in 4th and early 5th, before Venomspam became a thing. You could pay 120 points for it to have a Shuricannon and Scatter Laser, and it was S10. The Wraithsight was fairly easy to avoid too.

With Psychic Shriek, Grav and Venoms, is there anything I'm missing about it suddenly being usable?

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Can chaos use contemptor dreads in 40k, or no. I know they added them to marines in 7th.

>>50938942

They should have rules for them. CSM don't have rules in-Codex yet, but Forge World definitely has CSM Contemptors listed in one of their books.

>>50938942
Believe the Traitor Legions lets them use contemptors.

>>50938528
how about how it's not a wraithknight? that has to count for something

>>50938174
I don't play at a 1k so I don't know what you should be expecting that that level, but try upgrading the dread to an ironclad if at all possible. Drop 2 bikes to do it, since your Captain is more than capable to tank for that bike squad, and then if you have points left over, sprinkle some combi-weapons in your tactical squads and you're pretty much golden.

How does the Reject the Flesh rule work with a single independent character btw, does the character himself benefit the +1 fnp from it?

Hey folks, my Sgt. Telion figure came in and I managed to remove the Ultrasmurf symbols with a hobby knife. Mangled my thumb a bit, but it was a success. Working on assembling my Cent Devs now. May Dorn fortify this thread!

>>50937950
If you have the cash, the Tau Battleforce looked really good for the savings and none of the models are bad IIRC.

Should I bother magnetizing my storm talon to possibly make it a stormhawk? Or will I realistically never use it?

>>50939068

Glad to hear you managed to de-smurf your Telion. And sorry about your finger, but don't say I didn't warn you.

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>>50938942

>>50938972

Nope

>>50938969

Imperial Armor 13 has chaos Contemptors

>>50939097
Now that you mention it, I do recall the advice to cut away

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>>50939097
>>50939068

Boy that Telion guy sure gets around.

>>50939124
So you cant use it in a straight traitor legion list. Or the terminators from betraiyl at calth? Thats stupid.

>>50939322

You can use it in a TL CAD, but no formations.

>>50939322
You could as long as you take a CAD.

>>50935608
Oh man those are hot - I exclaimed that aloud when I opened the image.

>>50939322
Email forgeworld about it. Their standard response is that all of their "Dreadnoughts" count as dreadnoughts for formations. Same deal with how you can use Badab War Characters/Chapters in a gladius if their unit type matches up the formation. IE: Captain Tarnus Vale is a captain, and Sevrin Loth is a Librarian.

I've been taking my Leviathan in a gladius quite often. Although his Age of Darkness rule explicitly prevents him from ever claiming the benefits of whatever formation you stick him in. So he gets to be the only model in my entire army that doesn't get a free drop pod.

>>50935683
Yeah, those bases burn my eyes.

>>50935882
You could keep the material there, just strip the paint and re-prime the whole model. You could then repaint the base whatever color (slate gray, basalt black, white-and-brown marble), and redo the model colors to match.

>>50939395
Fugg you.

>>50939424

>No U

I'm looking likely to split a Dark Vengeance box with a mate, as our entry into the hobby.

Is this gonna be a terrible idea I regret? He seems more interested in the painting, but I'm keen to see the actual game.

>>50939477

which side are you getting?

It's heresy, and I know, but I've stopped using basic black bases and expecting to base every model, and now just use transparent lasercut plastic bases in the right base size to base my models, either using pinning, canopy glue, or both to fit the model to the base.

Makes the models seem a bit more... Tactical overviewed? Like the player is a commander looking at a digital readout of the battlefield, their own models having a circular base in a certain color, kind of like an RTS. It also looks clean and can reveal more of whatever terrain texture is underneath the base, so I don't have to worry about why all my models are walking on patchy, green grass and dirty in the cramped corridors of a spaceship during a boarding action.

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>>50939498
>Using clear plastic as bases

That's ingenious

>>50939498

you have any pics? sounds cool in theory

>>50939481
Not sure. We only started talking about it today.

I figured I'd let him pick. Kind of hoping Spess Mehreen, but not fussed.

>>50939527

ah, I have no idea then. I like the CSM half just because of the cultist

>>50939527
if you don't get spessmen, get the traitor legions codex

adds a bunch of viable, fun armies (for "viable", look more towards death guard, alpha legion, world eaters, and emperors children, and completely ignore thousand sons unless you're shelling out for magnus and tzaangors) with cool fluff, entertaining, unique rules, nice paint schemes, and all around excellent content.

Okay so warhammer 40k becomes balanced what do we bitch about now?

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>>50939571
>Not including Word Bearers in viable

>>50939582
ez

claim black library sucks and gw is overpriced

both of which are true

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>>50939525

No pictures as of yet, my AdMech Kill Team was stripped and is being repainted, removed from their bases for a time, and my Harlequins are getting some purple ones.

Still, let's see what I can make of it with what I have that's actually assembled. Sorry this dude is unpainted, but I grabbed the most whole model I had on my table. Also note there's more and better colors than this. I thought this batch would be more yellow than orange, so I might trade them out later.

>>50939639
How does clear work? That'd probably be the obvious one, since it'd just look like it's your model on whatever terrain or table you're playing.

>>50939639

I do like that look.

>>50939657

I figure a good color for the base can help compliment or contrast a good paintjob as well, although you'd have to paint the model off the base because you can't base over any paint that gets on the acrylic base.

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>>50935589

>>50939498
I want to see this actually

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>>50939571

I'm still looking for some good battle reports with the new Thousand Sons. I've only found a couple, so far. Are they really as bad as people are saying?

>>50939711

Are these Ultramar planetary defense forces?

Where are these Fall of Cadia leaks people talk about?

>>50939722

If you are a purist, yeah they didn't fix any of the issues that makes them bad.

If you just want to run a few of their things Magnus it gets better.

The pink horrors are ridiculous now though, I am not allowed to split anymore in my group

>>50939722

AWAKEN, MY PRIMARCH

ay yaayaayaa~

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>>50939728
Originally no, but they do suit the theme very well.

>>50939745
How did you have enough of anything to have the horrors properly split? Did you have a whole roll of pennies just for the game? Seriously wish that GW didn't bring back splitting horrors because of model bloat and undying nature of it and I'm a fucking chaosfag

Why don't you like AoS?

Would it really be so bad if 40k's rules and needless complexity were trimmed down for a faster game?

The nice thing about the AoS system is that every unit is effective. As things stand now in 40k, people build optimized lists and rarely deviate from using the "best" units in their codex unless they want to play a fluffy list.

It would be nice if the designers could find a way to open up army building for more variety.

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>>50939848
>The nice thing about the AoS system is that every unit is effective

>>50939807
I fucking adore those visors man

>>50939848
they killed my husbandos; bretonnia and tomb kings

i've been meaning to try them out, but i've said the same thing for the past year or so

>>50939848
>Why don't you like AoS?
(you)

>Would it really be so bad if 40k's rules and needless complexity were trimmed down for a faster game?

no but comparing AoS to warhammer fantasy is like comparing tic tac toe to chess

>The nice thing about the AoS system is that every unit is effective. As things stand now in 40k, people build optimized lists and rarely deviate from using the "best" units in their codex unless they want to play a fluffy list.

since there are no restrictions ill just bring nothing but star dragons XD

>It would be nice if the designers could find a way to open up army building for more variety.

like unbound?

>>50939739

This months white dwarf a had a page leaked that says Trazyn the Inifinite comes out of space and releases some Imperial Warriors he has in his vault to fight back the Black Crusade.

>tfw the BBTs are getting cucked by 2 xeno races.

>>50939848
>Giant blobs
>Monsters
>OP wizards

Its the same exact shit as 8th edition

>>50939892
Actually, positioning your models in AoS is extremely important. Additionally, all the terrain interaction can create a lot of complexity and jockeying for strategic advantage.

The points system doesn't allow "nothing but star dragons"

No one plays unbound.

Next?

>>50939639
Looks nice, I can't really complain. Certainly gives your models a unique look without detracting from the paintjob or being an eyesore.

>>50939919
Sigmar has even more restrictive army building than 40k with allegiances

>>50939842

I had a 60 old metals I use as blues, and I had a guy recast my Silver Towers brimstone horrors for me.

60 blue horrors was not quite enough, and by the time he gave up I had over 275 models on the board. and I started with 110.

I could have had more, but I physically didn't have that many models

>>50939863
Cheers. I used alot of those heads for my first few squads since painting eyes can be a pain.

>>50939975

eyes are the reason all my models have full helmets, except my bugs but who cares about painting eyes on the little guys

>>50939998
I thank the gods I chose orkz

All I gotta do is slap some red on there, if I really want them to look good apply some base coats first for that glowy look

>>50935449
So if a Demolisher is equipped with Heavy Flamers, can it fire them and the Demolisher cannon?

What's the memeiest ork army you can think of?

So, helmet or no helmet on the Cent Dev Sergeant?

The bundle they are doing with all of the new models seems like a ripoff.

>>50940087
A couple months back I played a guy with 200 something grots on the table for a tourney. My muhrines couldn't hack them all to death in time, ended up blobbing half the game in the middle, he grabbed all the objectives and denied the ones I sat on

He didn't win the tourney but fuck he came close

>>50940043
No.

>>50940091
Helmet. Always helmet. Never not helmet.

Do Space Marine scouts every wear helmets, gas-masks, or anything of the like?

I'm trying to find some cool heads to swap my regular scouts' with, but I don't wanna go too off-base.

>>50940091
Cents are so gay though.
At least buy three contemptors, and proxy them as cents.

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>>50940091
the emperor was fine without a helmet

>>50940126

Haven't you seen any movie? The guys with helmets always get shot first.

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What are you working on, /40kg/?
Play any games recently? Plan to?

Just got some sloppy basecoats on my kitbashed Grotesques(rate pls) to finish off hobbying for the night.

>>50940154
Im working on my Dreadnought chassis, Just gotta drybrush him.

Might try playing a game for my birthday, but I dont know yet.

Nice kitbash there, they look cool.

>>50940137
>Graviton Contemptor Talon counts-as Grav Centurions

I support this.

>>50940154

I like what you have done, I just don't like my grotesque fat like that. I used crypt horrors as my base, but I had a bunch left over after End times

>>50939300
>another raven guard player
i just started best chapter, i didnt know anyone else played these guys on /tg/ how big is your army anon?

>>50940091

Just don't use the shitty grav helmets. Regular space marine helmets look so much better, especially Mk III or VII.

>>50939639

Loctite masterrace

>>50940196
I wanted to use Crypt Horrors, but their bases are too big and $40USD for 6 Ogres(Read:Grotesques) vs 2 boxes of Horrors was what sold me on Ogres.

>>50940211

Indeed. I use the gel because I apparently have shitty superglue skills and get liquid glue all over the place. Never had that problem with gel control.

What exactly are the restrictions on Formations? Can you (if the game is low/high enough points) have your entire list be a single Formation?

I was in here last week talking about getting Thousand Sons sorcerers to cheese levels, and think I found a way to do it.
War Coven Formation as your sole detachment.
1 Sorcerer as HQ
9 Sorcerers as the optional choices
All Sorcerers get upgraded to ML3, Mark of T, VotLW(free), Sigil of Corruption and Discs of Tzeentch, for a total of 180 points each.
Join them all into one unit.
Generate 1 power each from Tzeentch, as per the requirement, then dump the remaining into Daemonology (Sanctic). Hope for as many 3's as possible. First turn, either go first or hide them. Then move them in close (they're jetbikes) and use Sanctuary. All models in the Psyker's unit gain +1 Invuln, which is actually +2 from being a Thousand Sons detachment.
This makes their 4+ from the Sigil into a 2+ (discounting the Mark of Tzeentch which deactivates itself after 3+). War Coven formation bonus grants rerolls to this save, and voila, you have an invulnerable unit of Jetbiking Psykers, at 1800pts. Not to mention all the other powers they roll, and the 30 Warp Charge they generate. You could probably optimize the number of Psykers that have to roll Daemonology, as you want to avoid using it too much. But each Psyker, in addition to being fast CC monsters with a WC1 Instant Death for the whole unit, also has tons of Witchfire from their Tzeentchian rolls, as well as Hammerhand to REALLY make sure they can hit anything in CC.
Is there any reason why this wouldn't work?

>>50940213

yeah no big deal, only reason I used mine is because I already had them. I also put them on 40s because they only had squares at that point.

It was a bonus I got to use the wings for my Tyranids

>>50939711
If you are too nervous to dot the eyes with black paint, why not dot them with a small black pen?

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>>50940135
Just found this, straight marine head swaps. I reckon it looks badass

>>50940252
Damn, now I want to try beakie scouts.

>>50940135
I plan on building a Scout Kill Team, so I was looking around for some advice too. People recommended Scion helmets for them, I love the idea, but haven't gotten around to doing it yet.

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>>50935589
Some of my Grenadier Veterans.

>>50940252
>>50940298

Either of you two know if Space Marine heads without helmets be to big for cadian bodies?

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>>50935944

I wrote this up way back in 5th edition when I was living out in the Australian outback. It was for my Orks and my mate's Space Marines, so it might be the sort of thing you're after. It's 4 linked missions with an optional 5th that cover a narrative campaign of an Ork invasion of an Imperial planet.

>>50940343
Very awesome. I usually just use Kasrkin models for Carapace vets. I also wanted to get those heads you have and put them on marine scout bodies with shotguns for shotgun vets with carapace.

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Thoughts and criticisms?

On a side note, fuck Chimeras.

>>50940392

so much for quick 500pt games

>>50940392
Biggest problem is morale. You have so many bodies that will just run away or get swept up in combat. Combine some blobs, put in 3 priests, and put melta bombs on infantry sgts so they head butt explode vehicles.

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>>50940377
These guys use the Hazardous Special Weapon Team kits, so the backpacks, torsos, head and special weapons are all one bit. Try using a Scion or Skitarii Vanguard helmet? They'd be cheaper and easier to get a hold of.

>>50940343
Why would you add 3 cm of base for virtually no texture gain ?

Less money on the lightbox and more than color + wash next time

>>50940426

MODELLING FOR ADVANTAGE FUCK

HE'S USING MORE UPRIGHT THIRD PARTY LEGS FOR EVEN MORE HEIGHT

THIS FAGGOT JUST WANTS TO SHOOT OVER ALL THE WALLS

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>>50940392
Like this. 5 points left, but you can't put Melta Bombs on Vet sgts for some reason. So 5 points somewhere like bolt pistols for the infantry squads and pcs and ccs.

>>50940392
>no commissars
>literally no way to kill even AV 10

Anon wtf are you doing.

At least cut out a unit of conscripts and give all those infantry squads autocannons or something

>>50940441
Tried the vet route. Not sure why anyone plays it for how shit it is. Decided something spammy might be more fun.

>>50940440
Know a good plastic alternative for the priests? Hate metal models.

>>50940419
Oh that's a good idea. I should have some spare heads from the Start Collecting Scion box I have. That thing comes with like 30+ heads. I think it has 16 helmets and 18 beret heads. Great to farm from. Actually now that I think about it. I might use the beret heads for my Company and Platoon Command Squads and for normal Vets.

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>>50940438
Legs are the same size as standard Cadian. Anvil Industries. The bases are just Secret Weapon Mini because I wanted some urban bases.
>>50940426
You sound like a pleasant person. That was around the time I was learning to do more highlighting and stuff anyway, and they still came out plenty fine and better than average.

>>50940347
If you cut down the neck (a lot) they fit.

>>50940471

Conscripts are fun for both you and your opponent. They won't let you down.

>>50940471
>tried the vet route, not sure why anyone play it

Yeah of course vets aren't great at this points level but you also don't need 115 guardsmen with nothing scarier than a goddamn frag grenade.

For example here's an in between. Forgive me for having a little bit of a thing for commissars, I have a whole lot of them in my collection so I tend to use them over priests all the time

Lord Commissar: Melta bombs

1st Platoon
x20 conscripts
infantry squad: GL/Autocannon
Infantry Squad: GL/Autocannon
PCS: Bare

2nd PLatoon
infantry squad: GL/Autocannon
Infantry Squad: GL/Autocannon
PCS: Bare

x2 commissars, presumably wherever you don't put the lord.

I really don't care for grenade launchers but at 500pts you can't really afford to give them a real weapon for them like meltas or plasma

>>50940471
>priests
use some fantasy empire models, and glue two chainswords together, bam insta priest with eviscerator

>>50940500

Yeah those Anvil Industries guys look awesome. I wanted to buy some to make a Halo ODST army. I'm surprised their "rebel" human faction has cooler sci-fi armor than their "high tech" human faction. The walkers are stupid though.

>>50940471
You can always find something in plastic from Sigmar.

https://www.games-workshop.com/en-US/Empire-Warrior-Priest-with-Hand-Weapon-and-Shield

https://www.games-workshop.com/en-US/Empire-Warrior-Priest

https://www.games-workshop.com/en-US/Empire-Warrior-Priest-with-Great-Weapon

Expensive, but they aren't metal. Also helps if you have some extra 40k bases so you don't have to use the squares.

>>50940518
I personally think blobs are much better with Priests instead. Being able to re-roll hits and re-roll wounds in close combat is better than 1 extra leadership for orders to me. Fearless is pretty comfy.

>>50940537
Not to bring up the argument again but with a priest you can't go to ground, and that extra leadership for "Forwards for the Emperor" and "FRFSRF" is going to be very important in 500pt games. Especially since the lord will give any unit within 6" LD 10.

Besides, you're IG, you don't want to be charging.

>>50940518
Thing is, the worst I'm playing against vehicle-wise is a Dunecrawler. Figured I could focus down the infantry and be golden. Other than that the only thing I am worried about the the Ravenwing and their broken-ass jink saves.

>>50940563
Not that anon but I would argue he's using the conscripts as a melee tarpit, and his limited orders are gonna go to the Vets or the regular guardblob

>>50940563
Going to ground is overrated, especially when you have such few units to shoot with already. You already have the Commissar Lord which gives the bubble of leadership, and even if you're not near, 8 leadership vs 9 leadership is barely anything as along as a Sergeant is alive.

And wanting to charge and being charged are different stories. Most of the time you will get charged at some point in a game whether you want to or not. Having two sets of re-rolls is surprisingly strong.

>>50940563
Also just taking a barebones Inquisitor for LD10 would be the same cost as a regular commissar, except better stats and can upgrade to be a psyker for Prescience. As much as I like the Commissar model, they're totally outclassed. I think regular commissars need to be given the ability to issue Junior Officer orders to the squad they're attached to in order to be able to compete with other options.

>>50940567
>worst I'm playing against is a dunecrawler.

And again, you have literally no way to kill it. Your strongest weapon is S3 grenades. At least your second list has melta bombs. That being said, I just don't trust that plan to work. Your melta bombs aren't going to be hitting till turn 3 or 4 if you're lucky. My autocannons/grenade launchers can be hitting Turn 1 and will probably kill the dunecrawler before you would. Plus, mine can pop transports, pick off enemy squads at long range, etc.

I get it's a preference and all, but it ain't 5th, and melee blobs really just don't work as well as they used to. It's far too easy for opponents to single out your important weapons in melee and with challenges even keep some guys out of the fight in my opinion.

>>50940578
You mean the vets with no wargear upgrades whatsoever? AKA the most useless version of vets you could have?

>>50940601
You do realize you don't get both rerolls unless you have both priests in the same unit right? You can only roll for one of those a turn. On LD 8. That's not exactly great odds.

>>50940616
And this is another option. I just used commissars because I would assume at 500pts most people are going to be taking just a regular CAD.

>>50940617
You get re-rolls to hit first round of combat plus his war hymns, which are separate rules. That's 2 re-rolls. Re-roll to hit and re-roll to wound if the hymn is passed. You get re-rolls to hit the first round of combat automatically anyway.

>>50940616
So much this. Commissars are definitely outclassed in every way. Your idea is great. That would actually make me consider taking Commissars over Priests, but honestly, I'd probably take both at that point. Fearless and combat buffs plus order buffs from the Commissar.

How much terrain is too much? How much is good enough?

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>>50935589

>>50940689
i think the baseline for terrain is 25% of the board covered, but sometimes i prefer more than that, probably like 35-40% in total, at least 25% should be LOS blocking tho

>>50940689

too much terrain is when its a pain in the ass to move your models more often that not.

good enough for me is 30-40%

>>50937950
>Just wondering, is there a limit to how many cadre firebldes I could attach to one squad of firewarriors?

Special rules don't stavk in 40K unless they explicitly say they do.

If you want to ignore that then take a single squad of fire warriors and the rest of your points in fireblades. You can get thousands of shots.

>>50940689
My group fills at least a third of the table in terrain, sometimes more if they want to use a lot of ruins. There's so much that I don't see a point in having range behind 36" except that rare occurrence there's a choke point from my table edge I can use the full range of Autocannons.

There's so much terrain sometimes I feel like picking up a melee army or playing with Malefic doesn't sound like a bad idea.

>>50938396
That looks like a 60mm base - it comes with an 80mm.

>>50940695
What kind of Guard lists do you run with your models?

>>50935589
How about you?

>>50939582
Sigmar

>>50939582
We'd still generalize types of players and bitch about them.

Bitch about unpainted armies.

Bitch about autism.

Bitch about lists that aren't fluffy.

Bitch about how too many marine players.

>>50940798

so the more things would change, the more they would stay the same

>>50940719
>>50940712
>>50940748

Know a good place to find cheap terrain? GW prices are insane and I don't want to be stuck using random books/objects found around the house.

I don't care if it's wood, plastic, or made of shit. I just need something that does the job decently and doesn't break the bank.

>>50940821

I am spoiled by the fact we have a few creative guys in my group who make our terrain.

>>50940689

If you can see 50% or more of your enemy's deployment zone from any point on your deployment zone, you don't have enough terrain.

>>50940812
Pretty much. It's sort of like how people say if we were all one race there wouldn't be racism. And it's like, you know we would still bitch about different kinds of people.

Anyway, I love complaining, it's a great bonding tool. Some of the best conversations on this board have been about mutual complaining.

Is the imperial agents book worth it? I ally in a ton of what's in it to my guard but I already have the rules for them.
I understand it's basically a suppliment?
Does it bring anything new?
Any decent, new fluff?

>>50940879
download link is in the op.

>>50940821

We have a bunch of scenery made of styrofoam, a rocky canyon and snowy(the lazy stuff). just get some big pieces cut the edges to look rocky and paint up and add texture.

>>50940879

For physical inquisition rules and the ecclesiarchy battle conclave.

>>50940879
Well, the IA Astropaths are nice for Guard. 25 points and no limit. Can be upgraded too.

The Sisters Command Squad is a little better with IA since it doesn't require a Canoness.

There's also a hilarious formation for the Sisters that basically can end up being a gigantic squad of any combination of Crusaders, Arcos and Death Cults. I think it can be up to 100 models in one unit. Inquisition gets something similar, but much smaller.

The negatives would be that Celestine is not in the IA book, but you can still use her if you choose the digital PDF. Karamazov also cannot use his Orbital Strike infinitely like he can in the Inquisition PDF.

So basically it's pretty good if you want a few new things, but if you intend to use Karamazov or Celestine, use the digital stuff.

>>50940879
you can get our enginseers, priests and psykers as a separate detachment with an extra bonus rule added on top and the option to upgrade them if you so wish
it's annoying as fuck , it's better to take them as a separate detachment than it is to keep them in your army

>>50938248
Hey, Leviathan anon, are you still around here?

I am waiting on my own Leviathan, got it with a drill hand and a graviton gun (for the same reason you got a storm cannon) and want to magnetize it to switch between melee and dedicated fuck you array. Do you mind telling me where you placed the magnets? I was wondering between mid-arm or at the connection with the shoulder.

Your conversion looks great, mine is going to be in simple IH colors with a bloody drill, similar to the one in the HH army list book.

>>50935608

Those are some sexy operators anon. Very innawoods -feel to them.

Can you tell me where the sniper rifle of beakybro is from? My boner demands I get some.

Real talk, why wouldn't you model for advantage?

>>50940821
My friend buys unfinished MDF terrain sets (mostly ruined buildings) online to build and paint. Other than making simple terrain like tank traps and sandbags we have someone twisting wire into trees. I just need to get a board/mat with some green scenery and some foam to add hills/cliffs/height variation and our fights won't look like its a Cities of Death scenario.

>>50940978
If it makes the model look bad

why would anyone pay so much for tiny plastic men and not want them to look perfect?

>>50940978

It's illegal.

>>50940978
because you care more for aesthetics than being a gamey cunt, and you're in it for fun and not just to win

>>50940978

how do you model for advantage?

What do you guys use to have the rules/datasheets close during games?
You bought the books or use a tablet?

>>50940978
Well, the only time you'd do that is for a competitive game, but tournaments could ban your models if they were too far out there in terms of being modeled for advantage.

It's really not a good thing to do unless you want to stomp locals and friends.

>>50941073
Mostly involves changing the models profile to abuse LoS. If you go really extreme you can have untargetable vehicles, which have 360 LoS of the whole board with all of their weapons.

Why are the starter sets so unbalanced in terms of points? I worked it out and the Dark Vengeance box gives about 130pts more to the Dark Angels (following WYSIWYG, could be more or less depending on relics/counts-as).

I get that GW likes it when Marines win, but since two players are going to be playing a starter set, surely you don't want one player's first ever experience of the game to have been a crushing defeat from a superior force.

Kill Team has a similar problem, since the box basically only gives Tau about 150pts to the 200pts or so of Marines, which is a pretty huge difference on that scale.

>>50941100

I guess I haven't seen it because we don't have players like that around here

>>50941126
You'd pretty quickly find yourself with nobody to play with if you tried it.

>>50941126
It's pretty rare to see people like that. We used to have a guy like that and he was a huge faggot so no one played him and he just sort of left. WAAC faggots in casual games are usually the same breed of person. The kind of person that aims to shit on you no matter what even though you've established and agreed that they game was going to be thematic and casual.

WAAC lists are fun when you've both agreed to do it though. I don't see why people can't enjoy laid back, fluffy/stylistic 40k and competitive 40k. They both have their place.

>>50941136
This pretty much.

>>50941100
sounds crazy, example pic?

>>50941156
It's only hypothetical, no one would actually do it.

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What the fuck is WH40k anyways. I have no idea but it seems badass

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What army is best to play/colllect if I want to paint a lot of freehand pictures on their vehicles?

Pic related; first attempt att painting something on my grav-tank.

>>50941167

so people bitch about something that doesn't happen?
I am not surprised somehow

>>50939392
Can I use my Spartan in place of Land Raiders for formation purposes?

>>50941197
You do get minor examples, like people modelling their dudes lying down and stuff or using a smaller model than what it usually would be.

>>50941212

but doesn't that hurt them as well? if a guy is lying down and I can see him, it seems like he wouldn't be shooting me.

>>50940141
Anon. The Emprah was turned into a vegetable. He wasn't fine.

>>50941178
It's a sci-fi wargame set in the far future where humanity is a galaxy-covering, stagnating empire at war with aliens and demon-worshippers on all sides.

A lot of the original idea was a fantasy setting in space (there were elves, dwarves, humans, orcs, all that good stuff), but it also drew inspiration from cheesy space operas and the metal aesthetic to produce a setting which resembles a hundred other things but still manages to have its own unique flavour.

There's a LOT to talk about with 40k, but that's my shot at condensing it.

>>50941227
If it's an assault dude that wouldn't be shooting and wants to get across the field without getting shot at it'd be a different story.

>>50941253
Thanks man. Sounds really intense while at the same time managing to be absurd and funny. I'd love to play it some day

>>50941256
Exactly. Say I play GSC, and model my purestrain genestealers as crawling rapidly across the floor, alien style.

This could give them a los advantage, and look good. So why not?

>>50935882
It doesn't look like they crackled properly, i guess you could add some tufts or rocks or something from between the cracks.
Also painting the rims black mite b cool

>>50941271
As long as you're fine with me mounting all my dudes on stilts to counteract it.

>>50941314
I shall model my mans to burrow into the gaming table, avoiding all line of sight!

>>50941271
If someone did that, I would use normal models standing in to measure LoS. I would never use true LoS for models that have been altered in some fashion with bases or making them lowered on the ground. Anyone who would agree to play against lowered models is either stupid or lazy.

>>50941183
I believe dark eldar are amazing for free handing and you could probably get away with it painting heraldy on SM tanks i cant think of anything else. You could always paint pin up like girls on guard forces or just general guard stuff

>>50939639
Don't it cloud up when you glue them on?

>>50941183

IK

>>50939848
A knight hits and wounds a dragon as easily as he does a goblin.

>>50940154
>What are you working on, /40kg/?
DG conversiona

>Play any games recently? Plan to?
Got a game later today, DG vs TS
I feel kinda guilty but he insisted.

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>>50935944
Get a map, divide it into sections, set basic troops to defend each section, with a mobile reserve that can reinforce all of them, then do set battles for each section. Mark on the map who owns which bits until one side surrenders. Add advantages for holding different sections, such as free fortifications, added units, artillery barrages, air strikes, special ammo choices, etc.

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>>50938174
What do you mean by start? As in you've taken the most common formations at stock level? Then yes.
At 1000 the only thing you're getting out of the formations is resilient Rhino's and a deathstar. I don't think you can take more than 2 special weapons weapons with 5 bikers.

>>50941390
A dragon saves better and can take more wounds.

It's kinda lika a HP á la vidya style thing.


The beutiful thing is, that, with enough shots, you can take down anything. No more invincable wraithknights and such.

Just curious how good would an all deathwatch army be at around 1500pts? I want to get into WH40k and have been a lurker for awhile.

>>50941413
Did you see his list first?

>>50941426
What is this programm? Link?

About how many dice do you usually bring to your games /tg/?

>>50941439
I beat his Necrons, His GSC, His Tzeentch Daemons and his Spacewolves with Orks.

I have little faith in him playing the worst traitor legion vs the best.

>>50941445
https://webapplications-webroster.rhcloud.com/rc/web/#/rosterCreator

>>50941451
Ouch. Sounds like he doesn't have the mind for tactics, list building or strategy.

>>50941451
Okay i was wondering if he said he was going to play 1k sons and then just bring tzaangoes and magnus

>>50941465

that's not enough charges for magnus, so he still might do that

>>50941457
wow, this thing is fantastic, thanks m8

>>50941457
I'm not mad because this time it made sense. It was replace in order to suck Space 0Din mediocre at best work.

>>50938300
Are you fucking kidding me. Where's that line for scarab termies?

>>50941458
Hah, I'm no tactical genius either, my plan is deploy, take initial opportunities and then play entirely reactively, let the dice roll, fortunately Orks kinda work with that approach.

We both build casual lists, mine tends to be skewed entirely in one direction or other as a oversized model collection allows, he only goes 100% netlist vs our resident Ultramarine drop-podder and stomps hims 9/10.

He does tend to lose the thread of the game tough and entirely miss a unit or phase.

>>50941537

CSM cant have nice things

>>50941522
I was going to direct him to the last thread but couldn't be bothered.

>>50941544
Is the website broken for anyone else?

>>50941548
Last time I used it it was.

>>50941314
Sure but that would make it super hard to get cover saves (except ruins) or hide out of LoS.

Everything you're describing sounds either impossible or a huge double edged sword and is just an excuse to attack the WAAC boogieman.
If you went true line of sight a guy on the floor would have problems seeing enemy squads to even charge them if there was grass or a waist high wall in the way.

Is there any real reason to take Raptors over CSM Bikers?

>>50941578

95% no

>>50941578
Better models
slightly cheaper

My first recast is in the mail.
Leviathan Dreadnought :)
Any advice, am I in for a bad time?

So what's the final verdict on Magnus? I've seen people claiming that he is shit because he is reliant on charges, costs 650 and wastes his attack since you're gonna be flying, and i've seen people saying that he's op because he is unkillable while doing crazy ass damage and summoning shit left, right and center.

So good, bad or just alright?

>>50941673

he is somewhere in between. He needs charge batteries to be effective, that is true. And he shouldn't be summoning anything, he doesn't have access to it

>>50941673
He has two Ds, but needs a lot of support to really be good
he is pretty good, though not under costed

>>50935449
I was thinking of putting in a Stormlord, but I'm not sure what unit to put in there. 40 man Infantry Squad that can jump out and assault? Buncha Bullgryn?

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>just had a vision of GW getting ward to bretonnia the ultramarines with the new book to appease the haters and make abaddon look good
>bring in guilliman to take over like they did with gilles, casually knock off calgar like they did louen
>mfw bret/ultra player
aaaah I don't like this feeling at all

>>50935608
Raptors? I wouldn't think they were robe types.

Also give backstory on Mahtis

Open question: which of the Start Collecting boxes provides the most fieldable (or closest to fieldable) unit in a proper army?

Stormtroopers maybe? Squad + HQ + Transport?

>>50940154

I like the idea but...

>Great Maw Belly Shields.

shame

>>50941681
He has Flamer/Chariot summoning from change and that spell that insta-kills and summons spawn from tzeentch.

>>50941761
Bretts were a meme codex and deserved everything they got.

>>50941787
admech

vanguard+dunecrawler+magos is 100% legit

>>50941793
shut up

>>50941787
The Militarum Tempestus starter box is great because it gives you every unit in the codex except for Valkyries. You can just keep buying that box over and over and save a lot of money.

>>50941802

And, really, can you ever have "too many" Commissars?

>>50935449
In normal games can people deny you using a Lord of War? Or is it one of those things where it's legal and fine, but they can just not play you.

>>50941791

I forgot about that one, but that's a lot of charges that aren't going to blasting things off the table at least. which is more frightening to me.

>>50938345
hold the line you big ninny

>>50941807
Exactly. Someday Commissars will be good. Saving about 35 dollars is great too.

>>50941807
Monopose is a bit of a bitch, even if you can do some creative leg/arm/face swapping to hide it.

>>50938407
just make sure you have enough anti armour to take out the russes, valkyrie is not much of a bother really

Quick question.
Do template weapons shoot at the same.
Example Heavy Flamer and Flamer. Wound at the same time or is HF wound, save, remove, F wound, save, remove?

My question comes I recall reading a draft changing that to the second option.

>>50941814
They are not terrible. Devolution is essentially 50% insta kill on anything without EW that also gives you a Spawn, and summoning three Flamers and having them melt pack of guard or marines in shooting phase is essentially blasting things off table.

Plus more distraction from thing that generate you charges.

Anon from up thread talking about Dark Vengeance.
If I do pick up the Chaos guys in it, how hard is it to switch em to another Legion? I've been reading the Horus Heresy books, and World Eaters/Emperor's Children both seem cool.

>>50941663
Lead and/or resin dust poisoning

>>50941881
the dark vengeance models aren't marked by any particular legion or warband, you can paint them as whatever

>>50941881
>If I do pick up the Chaos guys in it, how hard is it to switch em to another Legion?

Well, the Crimson Slaughter are Chaos Undivided so they don't have any Legion markers on them at all so just paint them whatever colour you want for the Legion of your choice.

>>50941863

too random for me, not a fan of anything with D6 hits and then need a 6 when I could just throw a D at them.

flamers I am still pissed lost their good flamer. so I would just use the good flamer spell instead, as it is ap2 compared to 4.

>>50941890
>>50941892

Awesome, cheers.
I wasn't sure if it was like SM, where different chapters seem to have different things going on.

>>50941898

> where different chapters seem to have different things going on.

They do, that's why you need to

1. Pick the Chapter you like the look of / the fluff of / the colours of
2. Make sure you like the rules

If you want to gunline... don't pick World Eaters for example... download the codex and Chaos legions

>>50941847
Same time. As it says in the rulebook.

>>50941350
Fielding a bunch of bases with only helmets and bayonetts on them

How else could I fluff using the Death Guard legion rules (Fearless, Relentless, FNP, T5)?

Because those rules are everything I want in an army, but I really don't like the whole Nurgle aesthetic.

>>50941904
Not the other guy but would alpha legion work for what's in that box? It has a bunch of cultists IIRC.

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>making blood angels terminators
>bought FW shoulder pads for them
>soak 5-10 min and brush as per FW instructions
>god damn mold release wont come off
>had them soaking in water with tons of dishwashing liquid for a week
>hot water when I put them in, room temperature after the week had passed
>made new hot water with dishwash shit in
>brushed the fuck out of every piece in that water until all were done
>test sprayed two of them, paint stuck on them nicely
>put all the pads on the marines
>sprayed one marine
>paint on both his pads peel right off
>mold release still not gone!!! (but on some it is I guess? since the two test worked?)
>now all marines are soaking in water / dishwash shit again since the pads are on them

WTF IS THIS SHIT

>>50941937
Yeah, but the chosen are too chaosy for my liking. depends on how you like your alpha legion

>>50941929
Thanks I'll look the rulebook page later. Just needed to know for list building.

If you are kind enough for a screen capture even better.

>>50939124
Are they even any good? Thats a lot of points

>>50941936
Iron warriors with shields?
Your warmaster has the marines with bestest cybernetic implants, perhaps because of an allied dark mechanicus force.

The shield is T5, use the several boarding types. You can even model the bikes using chaos knights.

Better cybernetics shit = relentless and FnP 5+

They are so fanatic and robotic they are fearless.

Would most 40k opponents balk at playing against a HH list ? Thinking about getting into Imperialis Militia.

>>50942025
Nop. Same system is it not?

>>50942025
I personally wouldn't mind but thats me. ask your opponents first and then work from there.

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>Brought my Orks out for a game against traitor guard
>Both battlewagons destroyed by T2, tabled by 3
Someday, I'll be good on the table again. Someday.

>>50941940
I usually just spray mine with auto primer.
Don't usually have to wash it even.

>>50942025
Generally speaking not.
From the 30k player perspective tau and nids are more of a problem but you can say that tau are some alien confederation and nids are some wild being of a deathworld.

From the 40k player perspective the legions are either chapters very conservative and with loads of relics n sheit, in my headcanona the first companies still work like that.
Mechanicus, no problem.
Militia is just a specific form of an IG regiment like the krieg or elysian.

Bam, done.

>>50942085
You have to wash resin because if you dont paint wont stick to it hes talking about how the release wont come off the resin making it impossible to even prime the models

>>50942096
I know.

>>50942110
sorry i thought you hadn't understood the context as i misread the work mine as the word minis.

>play dkk
>no one wants to play against me because of forgeworld cheese (currently playing the siege death korp list)
>they rant and moan about me even showing krieg models and playing them as regular IG, or when i use stuff like a wyvern with the vulture missile pods instead of the mortars
>one of my models fell down, the hoose broke and glued it back, now they are jumping on the occasion to accuse me of using recasts (they are partyally right, as i recasted the plasma rifle arms )

is there any valid reason behind all this bitching? I mean i dont table the opponent and i lose more than i win.

or its just because they think im an edgelord for playing them?

>>50941426
99% of captains in terminator armour are for normal space marines and this guy manages to find a
Blood angels captain painted blue.

>>50942161

>is there any valid reason behind all this bitching?
The majority of 40k players are manchildren.

>>50942161

Because, like it or not, Forge World and their rules have a, not undeserved, pay to win reputation and some people call them out on it, bit passive aggresive though, just don't play Forge World people if you get so upset.

Personally I don't give a shit what goes on the table, just please paint it.

>>50942198
>pay to win
I dont know about that, my victory/defeat ration does not change in beetween regular guard and siege/assault brigades
>just please paint it
painting its like 80% of the fun for the hobby

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>>50942209

>painting its like 80% of the fun for the hobby

>>50942209

It's their reputation, it's true in some instances, not so much in others but it's going to be a hard stain to remove. In my experience Kriegers are the exception to this rule and function slightly less effectively than regular Guard because of their lack of some options

>painting its like 80% of the fun for the hobby

Well yes, but when I see the same wall of grey plastic for months or fucking years it boils my piss.

How do you make a Lord Comissar badass? Seems like for the points a CCS can outfight and shoot it 99% of the time. Plus even with relics it seems weaker than other army HQs

>>50941979
I had that idea before. But the person would need to go all out on the conversion to not seem like a waac fag.

Iron hand upgrade sets, forgeworld shields, bionic heads and arms, maybe mk3 armour or other heavier armour variants.

In the other hand nurgle players just paint any old chaos marine green.

>>50941979
Model bikers using kataphron breachers with chaos heads and arms. Almost like necron destroyers

>>50942284
>kataphron breachers
there is a lot of potential

>>50935449
Haven't been involved in 40k in a while, is there somewhere I can read up on the changes during the last 2 years or so?

>>50942320
1d4chan

>>50942320
/40kg/

>>50942086
>Mechanicus, no problem.
So says he of little knowledge.

>>50942267
counts as yarrick? Gaunt was better in 4th edition.

>>50942376
>>50942386
Yeah, but is there like some sort of release timeline or something like that I can look at? Something to just see what exactly I've missed since I was last involved in the hobby. Been working a shit-ton and had too many other hobbies to keep up to date on 40k since I think a few months after the CSM codex came out (the one I'm assuming is still the current one, that intruduced Heldrakes and such)

So when will tanith first and only be removed from that game?

>>50942522
the*

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>>50942284
I had the same idea but for Rapier battery conversions, 3 Kataphrons being about the same price as one of these

Fluff wise, they would be the result of making "decimated" members of the legion useful after having been beaten to death

>>50942267

Use an Inquisitor statline.
It's 40 points cheaper, gets you free carapace armour, still gets you stubborn and +1 iniative.

How does a heavy 2/3 template (not blast) weapon work? For the life of me I can't find it in the rulebook. Do you place multiple templates, or are models under the template just hit multiple times?

Considering you're probably aiming for maximum models hit they'd be effectively the same outcome most of the time, but the occasion where you'd wanna put the template in different places might come up so I'd still like to know.

>>50942621
I had the idea to make rapiers out of them, But how would you make them look different enough to normal Kataphrons?

>>50942759
Worth mentioning the best I could find on the topic was "If a unit is firing more than one shot with the Template type, resolve each shot, one at a time, as described above, determining and recording how many hits are scored by each template. Once the number of hits from all templates has been determined, roll To Wound as normal.", but that doesn't exactly say whether or not you get multiple templates, only what to do if you do have them.

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>>50942771
Chaos torso, shoulder pads, backpack, head and gun arms would be good enough for me and my mates

Manned by two apprentice Warpsmiths each who must tend to them until such time as they prove themselves worthy of loftier goals such as leading Helforged packs or Fist of the God formations.

Got this guy for cheap to be one of the crew

>>50942801
Also template weapons do not hit just wound.

If they hit maybe Vyridian with Heavy Flamers and the AoF that gives Rending might actually create the first Flamethrower Sniper, by sheer accident regarding rules.

>>50942759
Place the template as normal, except each "hit" counts for 2 hits. Or 3 if it's Heavy 3 template

With the army builder has anyone made the most broken waacfag that guy OP shit with each army at usual tournaments points?

Just for shits and giggles

If only the bloody thing working in tablets. I would be doing it right now.

>>50942759
Each hit counts as 2.

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>>50940764
GGA this is the most updated list of my collection. It's now up to 2500 points but this is it at It's most recent.

>>50942757
I was hoping they'd be good in codex but yeah maybe. Are vanilla inquisitors in Agents because I was thinking of picking that up soon anyway?

>>50942879
>>50942902
Alright, thanks anons

Overheard this as an argument at lunch when I went to flgs to grab supplies for tonight.
My breachers shoot your ravenwing, take your junk saves.

No I'll tank it on the chaplins 4++.

You can't, it's a worse save

I get that but jinking is optional.

But the rulebook says you have to take the best save and your jink is by far the better save.

Not the point it's optional and I want to tank it on the Chaplin and you can't force me to take the jink saves.

Went on for about 5 min neither touched the rulebook or codexs.

>>50942922
Yup.

>>50942922
Define vanilla? Since 3rd inquisitors have come in 3 Flavours.

From leddot
>Outside of Celestine and her Geminii bodyguards, there are no plans in the next 5 months for any SoB boxes/kits.
>The first loyal Primarch to 'wake up' will be Roboute, and not Russ/Lion/Vulkan as many predict. Blankets will be counted! Spirits will be lieged! :)
>Trayzn is likely going to be releasing a 'Salamander' from prison. With a twinkle in his eye he quoted: 'It might not be Vulkan though.'
>In regards to the Triumvirate of the Imperium on Cadia, there will be others. Think of an Eldar team containing an Eldar/Dark Eldar combo, with the Exodites thrown in.

>>50942922
For a 12 points tax your Inquisitor gets a warlord trait without being a warlord.

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>>50942896
Why bother doing it with the army builder when ITC lists get published online

For your pleasure, here's a Tau list which includes five Riptides, a marker drone net, and Eldar allies with a Wraithknight.

>>50942949

well that sounds like a bunch of BS.
The sister thing is the only part I believe.
Of course they are all so stupid they must be true

>>50942949
Does this kill the sister hype?

>>50942992
Who let this happen and why?

are harlequins going to be supported as an army?

>>50943030
There was never a sister hype. Only shitposters

The 10 SoB players are still waiting for plastic Troop.

Anything else is a pitty fuck. Nice, but not nice when you know why you got laid.

>>50942959
Is there a small tax formation I can take one with in there?