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word bearers a shit

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>>50931338

Someone's still salty that their favorite recruiting world is uninhabitable on the surface.

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>>50931307
>SIGISMUND RETURNS!
I don't understand this,
i miss something in the last couple hours i was away?

>>50931370
wait what?

>>50931377
Fags hoping their husbando returns from the dead to fuck up 40k with more boring 30k smegma

>>50931370
>word bearers couldn't crack it
>death star beast orks couldn't crack it
>hive fleet behemoth couldn't crack it
>honsou couldn't do it either
calth is pretty badass, all things considered

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This thread is now dedicated to Bitzbox Cawl and his bitches. Long may he kick ass and take binary names.

How many warriors should I be looking at for 1k footslogging Crons?

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>>50931370
its cool we got 499 more

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>>50931370
the only good thing a word bearer is for is getting shelled them with loyalists

>>50931407
Three Squads should be good enough.

>>50931399
fuck bitches get T E C H N O L O G Y

>>50931397
>>honsou couldn't do it either
apparently that was all a faint.

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Show me your game pics anons!!!

>>50931377
The black Templars on the fall of Cadia are from Trazyn's own collection and he also have a "giant of a man clad in barroque armour" in his collection, since primarchs are out of the equation, one of the few options are some very old ass crusade hero or Ra the custodes perhaps?

>>50931377
tl;dr Trazyn is joining the fight on Cadia by opening his vaults and letting his toys out to play, and people are going back to "Who's the baroque guy in armour?" and a lot of people are thinking it's Siggy.

So I'll ask here again since I didn't get any response really.

Is the Eradication Cohort worth buying? It has an Ironstrider, Kastelans, Sicarians, Electropriests, and some Kataphrons. I think I can snag it for about 120. Is this a good deal? I'll probably hock the priests later because they're garbage.

>>50931427
Meehhh I want to play but I can't for a week. It's killing meeeeee.

>>50931490
it+Start Collecting is only a few models away from a War Convo, so that's pretty cool.

>>50931427
I have none today, but I'll have plenty tomorrow.

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>>50931427

Aw yis.

>>50931490
No, because electropriests are shit and not worth even as a gift.

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>>50931486
>>50931473
>tl;dr Trazyn is joining the fight on Cadia
>necrons fighting for cadia
>clearly parrelling the order+death of smegmar
gw why this is too fucking stupid.
also why the fuck do we want the crippled templar king.

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>>50931427

>>50931524
Considering even the Kastelans+Ironstrider+Servitors is like 120 by itself, I'm inclined to disagree. Besides, they might be fun in a low points game. Or maybe kill team.

>>50931423
>I was only pretending to have my armies destroyed, foolish loyalists!
Whatever you say.

>>50931532
>clearly parrelling the order+death of smegmar
it's basically EoT but without the eldar in the immediate picture

necrons were working against chaos in that too

>>50931545
what is tat terrain layout? is it all around the edges?

Question; the rulebook states that any wargear that obscures a vehicle confers a 5+ cover save to said vehicle, while in the IG codex it says camo netting is "6+". I'm kinda' behind on the times (last I played was in 5th), so does the Rulebook overide the codex because the latter is behind an edition or do I stick with the codex?

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>>50931427

Here's an Aegis defense line that contributed nothing.

Guys really important question. Whats the height and width of a citadel pot?

Im at my old man's place and he has some stuff lying around so I'm going to spruce up my modelling area. I really want to build a little paint rack but don't have the dimensions for a pot.

Please help me anons, emperor's blessing on someone who can do this for me.

Xth for the 4-Armed-Emperor!

>>50931600
What the fuck are you on about now?

>>50931591
What units do you want, anon? And do you want the regular paints, or should I include the texture paints and washes?

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>>50931555
>Whatever you say.
>implying i'd take the side of the half breed in stead of relaying his statements.
decimate yourself loyalist
and that shit rock too

>>50931569

3v2 4500 points a side.

>>50931586
vostroyans? is it just a small section of your army or is it all your army?

>>50931591
About 1 3/4" Tall, and 1 1/4" Bottom

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>>50931532
Necrons aren't fighting, he released part of his collection to pursue his own business and the imperial forces he released from his vaults will do the heavy lifting since the Cadians won't refuse reinforcements from black Templars and probably sister he kept hidden in some vaul

>TFW Trazyn steals Drach'nyen

>>50931591
width at the bottom is a little under 3.5cm
height's about 4.5cm

for the standard pot

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Is Hellrain Brigade fun? Having guys drop out of the skies in waves to their deaths sounds like fun.

No mention of DE in the leak? What the hell GW!?

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>>50931545
fixed it for you

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>>50931586

More useless Aegis.

>>50931553
If you can get them dirty cheap go ahead, perhaps they'll change the priest when they release a full admech codex.

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>>50931591

45 mm tall and 33 mm wide.

Do we have any new info about FoC?

>>50931591
The washes are >>50931632
but about 6cm high.

>>50931532
>>50931561
We already had Blood Angels + Necrons vs. Nids in Shield of Baal. This isn't shocking.

>>50931671
Just Trazyn being involved

>>50931577
Cammo netting gives +1 to the tank cover save and a 6+ on open ground it doesn't obscure it, which is great.

>>50931702
isn't he one of the more crazy necrons or do i have my lore wrong?

I really wanna play Necrons, but I really don't like their vehicles etc. Just their infantry. Can I do a pure infantry, no-vehicles-at-all list?

>>50931586
>>50931654
>vostroyans
One day I'll have my own vostroyan army.

>>50931719
You could call him eccentric.

>>50931725
Hey maybe after cadia falls they could get a plastic update

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>>50931680
>We already had Blood Angels + Necrons vs. Nids in Shield of Baal. This isn't shocking.
god i hate that but the point is
>chaos is streaming out of the "north"
they ar ebeing held back by imperial humans backed by a bracer provided by the "death" faction (the shield in the north, the pylons in cadia which are being damamged)
Death faction brings back old characters.
elves fuck up
Rhana Dandra happens
chaos wins because daddy issues.
I would not be surprised if that happened

>>50931622
But was there terrain away from the edge of the table?

>>50931669
another question, what are the dimensions of that ass?

>>50931723

I know what You mean, however i love the monoliths and stalkers.

i have a horde necron army with 3 stalkers and a monolith backing them up.

looks fucking awesome on the field.

>>50931719
More like a kleptomaniac Necron Lord.

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>>50931586
That's a nice line you're holding there anon. How's mine?

>>50931624

I have about 40 painted riflemen, 16 weapon specialists, 9 weapon teams and more officers than I care for.
The UNpainted vostroyans that I have are numberless.

>>50931749
Meh. It's easy to find parallels when you pushing hard to try to find them.

>>50931627
>>50931632
>>50931669
>>50931674
Thanks anons.

>>50931777
Thats still a lot of vostroyans they metal or recasts?

>>50931340

Yea, getting Troops is pretty good on top of stealth. Sadly, using Dreadclaws is hard because anything that goes in them to use the assault vehicle is expensive.

>>50931372

It's honestly not a power game thing. If I wanted a non-Chaos Warband that were followers of Servetar, it's very difficult to run a Murder Talon.

>>50931749
>chaos wins because daddy issues.
I think they learned their lesson with the end times. And storm of chaos before that. And the Eye of Terror campaign before that.

The lesson being "there are more fanboys of the other factions than of chaos". I wouldn't be surprised if chaos wins through the power of shit writing, but I also wouldn't be surprised if chaos is simply used as the punching bag for everyone else to do cool and interesting things, and ultimately left broken and beaten at the doorstep.

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>>50931600
>>50931617

>>50931752

We were playing on an 8x4'
Our flgs takes turns placing terrain. We let the Tau player get most of the terrain for his squishies, hence why it lookd like there's a hab-block slum over there.

>>50931669
Not that I'm personally complaining but this thread is supposed to be SFW.

>>50931811
Or, shit, even the age of sigmarines campaign event, where the good guys solidly came in first across the board.

>>50931828
Rules say 6x4
Game ruined

>>50931799

All metal.
Most of them aquired through cheeky eBay sniping.

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>>50931850
>Most of them aquired through cheeky eBay sniping.
You mother fucker

>>50931600
>>50931617
Genestealers is my bet

>>50931811
I mean the campaign is called fall of cadia
I wouldn't put it passed gw to have abby fuck up some how but at the very least cadia is gettign fucked

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I want to start an opposing force for my Ultramarines which i painted up about 2years ago. I rarely play so the models must be fun to paint. The SM force is mostly infantry, terminators, and a landraider.

I am thinking of getting the chaos half of a dark vengeance set and see if i enjoy converting a nurgle army. If its fun i think i want to add some FW recast renegade militia. I would love to start out with making two 750 point armies. The DA box gives me 420 points, so i need 330 points of militia. Can i fit in a platoon?

If you guys have any other suggestions i am glad to hear it. I dont mind spending some money but i dont want to go overboard and hate wasting money on droppods and rhinos which i dont enjoy moddeling or painting

>>50931828
Thank you for explaining it seemed very lop sided and i thought it was just going to be gun line vs gun lines all game.

>>50931850
Thats insane sounds like a great vigilance on your part to keep eyes open for models

>>50931863

http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Cult_of_the_Four-Armed_Emperor

>>50931840
That was because Order has more armies than everyone combined. Notice that results are exponential to the amounts of armies in each faction.

>>50931708
Oh wait I'm retarded
should it be taken that camo netting is completely unrelated and the rulebook is referring more to something like smoke launchers?

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>>50931427
My crater hiding game winners. Beakies bring power and 6's.

>>50931864
Yeah, and they've got to hype up that faggot for his inevitable plastic model.

who knows, I've certainly been disappointed with GW before

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>>50931427

>>50931990
T H I C C

>>50931773

ITS RAINING BUGS. Nice IG dude.

>>50931893

Cheers man.

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>>50931984
Kill Team with a sneaky Tattersoul

Hey anons, is there any bit that should be left off before/after painting? I'm about to build my first space marine models and I don't want to screw it up.

I know to leave off the arm with the bolter on it, but what else?

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>>50931427

Already posted on older threads.

sorry for the unpainted terrain

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>>50931427

>>50932055
should have just gotten a game mat eh

>>50932055

Which order are your girls?

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playing against genestealer cult tomorrow and was thinking about bringing this list


thoughts?

>>50932090
The 3D plastic tiles are great because they're modular and have actual depth and terrain built into it, but you can't beat the game mat for value, storage, ease of use, and most importantly, quiet smooth dice rolling.

My army is based on desert anyway so it's no loss for me to use a desert game mat.

>>50931749
Best scenario would be Cadia falling and chaos flooding the Imperium, Abaddon is marching to Terra but as chaos spreads itself thin treason breaks their ranks allowing the Imperium to defend the thousand fronts that Chaos has opened all over the galaxy.

New status quo that is same as the old one, everything's more apocalyptic as the end is here and all factions are thrown in the storm of chaos seeking to take advantage of a weakened Imperium. Nothing changes but it opens up new storylines for the future.

>>50931865
What did you use to make that list?

>>50932162

no

>>50932130
>Imperium pulls out all available resources and forces from the eatern fringe and then some more
>Tau gets to jump start 4th sphere expansion and be a reasonably big to be of some relevance

>>50932086

Is that a Great Unclean One at the top of the photo?

>>50931981
Yes and yes to both questions.

>>50932200
No, he's standing off to the right, in the blue and white shirt.

>>50932182
Tau need to stay irrelevant. They were a needless faction and a shitty one trick pony army.

>>50932130
>Best scenario would be Cadia falling and chaos flooding the Imperium
nah, I've had enough chaos wank, thanks

>>50932182

The worst thing for the story they can do to Tau are make them some galactic threat to the Imperium. Just have some Apoc scenario drop on their head in the form of the Nids/Orks and bring them into deeper conflict with the Ultramarines and Necrons.

Is there a desert tendril of nids? I was thinking of a scarab/scorpion look for em with a subtle brownish and black theme.

>>50932182
>implying they'll get past the wall of space fire
They're still recovering from their massive retreat into the inner tau empire

>>50931984
smurf vets?

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My Scabeiathrax harassing our enemies back field in apocalypse. rolled the escalation trait that reduced d table results by 1 making him pretty much unkillable.

>>50932055
why does your house have a GW paint rack

>>50932255

Tell me that thing is still a work in progress

>>50932214
>nah, I've had enough chaos wank, thanks
ADB is largely in charge of fluff direction now. I'd recommend getting used to it.

>>50932248
Not smurfs, just a generic white on blue scheme. But yep, vets.

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Hey i had a question that i was hoping could be answered here rather than starting a new thread.
A plague marine's stat line says that he has a toughness of 5 and in his special rules it says he comes equipped with the mark of Nurgle so does he have a toughness of 5 or 6
pic for reference

>>50932255
>unpainted Supremacy Suit

as a tau player, i'm unsurprised.
time to get back to painting my fire warriors

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>>50932090

It's the store's, and I haven't had time to paint it yet. We do also have a flat green board, too.

>>50932103

My own order called The Order of the Martyr's Shroud, which is an offshoot of Argent Shroud. It's based on my earliest games in 4th edition with friends.

The short of it is that their Saint was a canoness who suffered several mortal wounds and kept fighting before she died. Her robes were stained blood red and are considered a holy relic, called the Martyr's Shroud, said to be able give the wearer the ability to live through the most grievous of wounds (it's a Mantle of Ophelia). The order changed exchanged their white robes for red to honor their Saint and to emulate the Shroud's protection.

Pic related is the colors.

>>50932285

almost everything gargantuan and super heavy is for us. when you only use them once a year you lose the motivation to paint em

>>50932234
What would happen if Ghazkull decided to attack the Tau empire with the orkz in the Octarius sector in order to prove his superiority to the orkz there?

>>50931987
He's already in finecast, they're not doing that.

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>>50932255

daemon prince staring down Vulkan and his terminator crew. From the same game.

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As a new player, should I play this or the new official Kill Team? I heard IG sucks in HoR and I play IG (with Death Korps models). My girlfriend plays Necrons if that matters.

>>50932086
Did she play too anon?

>>50932331
HoR. It's much more interesting and complete, and allows several things that normal Kill Teams doesn't. IG sucks in general, neither HoR nor vanilla KT do anything to change that.
>>50932353
Who do you think brought the Tyranids?

>>50932331
Do whatever you want anon. But conscripts and some vets in a Chimera have helped me win a few games of Kill Team so far.

>>50932365
Thanks. Do you think it would be fair to give myself a few more points than my girlfriend? Like just how bad is IG in HoR? We want a balanced, unpredictable game.

>>50932331
HoR>GW

>>50932398
Start with 50 extra points and adjust it as you see fit. The other thing I forgot to mention is that HoR is about forging a narrative across multiple games, and Kill Teams is about getting a quick game in. So choose as you see fit.

>>50932365
The meme once again is proven to be true. I've noticed a lot of bronies play nids too. How many points of nids did she bring?

>>50932247
They are getting past the firewall. They inventing ships with shields that can withstand the fire. Failure rate is high but the Tau are still developing it.

And what massive retreat? They lost just one planet. Most of their forces were elsewhere during the events of Mont'ka. The Tau planet across the gulf are literally untouched by the Imperium and they have sizeable forces with them + the Enclaves.

Fucking racist.

>>50932331
>As a new player

GW Kill Team, its more limited than HoR but its the best for getting used to the mechanics and small pick up games. That being said if you want to JUST play kill team than go with HoR.

>>50932415
>>50932402
>>50932390
>>50932428
Thanks, guys. That helps a ton. Cheers. I'll try reading some more of both and deciding from there.

>>50932416
1500, same as the rest of us - there's a LOT of players involved in this game that aren't in the long-shot of the table.

>>50932205
lol you just destroyed dude, that was probably his GF m8, and she's not even that bad looking

http://www.strawpoll.me/11985158

Who'll be the surprise character in Fall of Cadia?

Gotta say, enjoying this thread much more than the last.
Thanks to the Anon who instigated the game photo chain.

>>50932244
Nids don't really tie into biomes. They just eat whatever is there. That said Kraken is brown/red and Behemoth is black/red. Black/brown would work fine.

>>50932489
I don't expect anyone big in the first book.

Guilliman or Dorn for book two would be pretty cool, though.

>>50932439
I play homebrew Mordian Iron Guard in HoR Killteam.
The agreed stats are: Stubborn, Hatred (Xenos & Heretics) +1BS, Close Order Drill.
My opponent plays homebrew Traitors force from a forge world that smuggled out armour and are being led by a traitor colonel. Cultists get Carapace armour and randomly generate one Astra Militarum order per turn that can be issued to two squads. Each cultist also gets a laspistol and close combat weapon.

HoR is far more fun and fleshed out than the GW equivalent.

>>50932292
Units that always have a particular upgrade already have it incorporated in their stat-line. So no, T5 only. If you want T6 take MoN bikers.

>>50932509
hm but doesnt eating all the biomass from a certain planet after a while change them to look like that planet or am i just creating head cannon again?

>>50932593
if it's advantageous yes

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>>50931427
The Ritual gametype from WoM was really fun. Used my culexus for the first time since 5th edition and hoo boy is he useful now.

I much prefer the new 4++save to rerollable 1s when fighting mono tzeentch, but holy crap split rules are annoying for both players. Shooting pink horrors and making a conga line of blue horrors in between the shooting unit ,thus preventing assault against the blue AND pink horrors is just maximum cheese capability.

>>50932292
Also while im asking questions why is everyone so butt hurt about the heldrake nerf what did they used to do that was so good

>>50932593
I don't believe so. To my knowledge hive fleets have consistent coloration as they travel, at least on the galactic scale. The local biomass is always rendered into soup in digestion pools first anyway.

>>50932616
>>50932632
Thank you anons

>>50932593
Nids theoretically adapt to whatever environment they find themselves in. Certain hive fleet strains have preferences for different tactics, but that tends to be more the difference between guants vs genestealers vs nidzilla rather than specific things.

That said, nobody will mind if you have Nids that primarily use desert colorations due to finding the most success with them or whatever reason.

Am I missing something, or are GSC formations basically tax free?

>>50932624
The head weapon used to count as turret mounted. This let is always get optimal shot placement even with the restrictions of flyer movement and the Drakes tendency to want to fly over things to Vector Strike them. This meant that the Baleflamer looked like it was shooting out of its ass more often than not.

Now the head weapon counts as a forward facing hull weapon, which makes balancing movement, firing, and vector strikes much trickier.

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>>50931427
Faggot managed to with only cypher and deathwing terminators to hold out in a damn center palace

>>50932624
Basically, the AP 3 flamer could fire in every direction, so you could vector strike to blow up a rhino, and then immediately shoot backwards at it to toast the marines that piled out.

Now you have to shoot forward, making it harder to do both at once.

>>50932755

>Passive aggressive notes above every table

That sure must be a fun store to play in

>>50932682
Cavalcade has a modest Sentinel tax. Brood Cycle seems good until you realize you really want to be putting all your Acolytes in Subterranean Uprising if at all possible.

Overall low on tax though.

>>50932770
Its top deck in nj, its a good store, management leaves you alone 99% of the time

>>50932624
Used to be able to fire in a 365 degree arc (seeing as it's a flexible dragon's neck from which the gun is firing, made sense). So you could Vector Strike a transport and barbecue the insides.

Long as we're asking questions about CSM, would you guys accept a CSM character trading in the twin-linked boltgun on his bike for the purposes of "may exchange a ranged weapon" for a different ranged weapon?

>>50932624

There used to be an FAQ that turned their neck into a turret, making them able to shoot pretty much anywhere on the board that they wanted to instead of just a small angle. So you couldn't hide in Rhinos because Vector Strike would blow them up, and once you're on the table your marines get auto hit, high chance to wound, and no armor or cover save, from a flyer that you had no weapons to shoot at with because even the stalker and hunter tanks had not come out yet.

>>50932755
> cypher and deathwing terminators
aren't DA literally the only faction that CAN'T ally in cypher ?

>>50932682

It's very low, being forced to take Chimeras (I guess) being forced to take a scout sentinel... but again, very low

>>50932799
>no weapons to shoot at with
Just the Hydra in Guard. Although ADL came out around then too.

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>>50932755

>Cypher
>Dark Angels
>Same army

>>50932794

You're not allowed to do that you faggot. Look at the Chaos Biker entry for proof.

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>>50932755
>>cypher
>>AND deathwing terminators

>>50932624
As it is a mechanical dragon it was given vector strike like an FMC and an FAQ was made to make its weapon turret mounted so that it also shot like a FMC.

This FAQ was deleted during the change of editions, and later altered to being hull mounted.

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What are you anons working on?

I just finished putting together my new Grotesques kitbashed from Cronos/Talos and fantasy Ogres. The 2 on the edges are Aberrations.

>>50932812
Maybe im misremebering ? Or maybe we were just playing unbound desu this game was a year ago at least

Anyone got a link to that list of the Traitor Legions that says EC weren't as good as everyone thought and the WB were better than most?

Or any good list of Traitor Legion rankings?

>>50932861
The bloodofkittens one?

>So many unpainted armies
This is triggering me so hard, I never use models that aren't painted, and generally my opponents armies are 90% painted also.
I really don't understand why you would even bother playing if you don't paint your models, or just have them all base coated.
All those battle photos with unpainted models just look bad I am sorry to say.

>>50932794
Yea, thats fine. Its what everyone does with Bikers.

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Should probably post this in the new thread but I don't wanna wait

Looooong ago (like a week) I said I was having an apoc night with buds and you guys said post pics so here goes

6000 points of traitor guard and CSM vs tau marines and BTs

Threw a mission together about hijacking some super weapon, I secretly wrote rules for if you tried to use the super weapon before controlling all its parts

We were playing with some people who weren't super high tier players so I just made it silly and we had some good fun throwing dice at each other

>highlight of the game is when me and my buddy tried to use the super weapon without a targeter and fired a D-blast that went wildly off course and 6'd out our own knight

>>50932879
Think so. I've never actually read it. Thanks for the google term.

>>50932861

Tier 1

DG
EC
IW

Tier 2

AL
BL
WE
NL

Tier 3

WB

Garbage tier

TS

Did nothing wrong tier

Magnus

>>50932827
>>50932831
>>50932812
K i was being retarded it was just a deathwing terminator force, he allyed in cypher in the second match with something else. Again, a year ago.

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>>50932887
Cont.

>>50932882

I also don't use unpainted models, because they look bad unpainted, but it doesn't bother me if other people do. When both sides and/or the table is unpainted it's bad to look at though. You gotta have SOMETHING nice to look at.

>>50932829
What proof? Any relevant character can take weapons from the Ranged Weapons section of the Armory, which states "a model can replace one weapon with one of the following." How Chaos Bikes can select their ranges upgrades has no bearing on it.

>>50932917
>gold spraypaint marines

is that you michael

>>50932853
Recasting Mordians. Pics in a day or two.

>>50932917
That game looks amazing, nice work
>unsurprisedface.jpg at the unpainted tau in ruins
Next time, tell your taufag mate to stop shitting up a cool game.

>>50932266

It's a store?

Also, my friend's house actually has a paint rack because he used to run a LGS.

>>50932917
>>50932887
sounds like good fun anon
who won ?

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>>50932935 again, here's the Armory entry.

So yeah i managed to get a hold of a deathwatch box before they became "No longer avalible", bought killteam cassius minis individually, bought artemis individually but apparently the codex does not include his datasheet for some reason... i still have more than 200$ of stuff i can get from GW for vouchers ... Can i expect anything at all for DW or SW from Cadia? or should i just sperg out on anything? ... kind of bummed out since the only thing i can see as a "Value deal" is the SW box, but i already have 3 axe dreads, 15 termies, björn, murderface, 40 marines and 5 fenrisians... maybe get the supplements? i dont have any of them for the yiffs.... ideas?

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>>50932887
>>50932917
Last one, young unpainted knight takes the D from friendly fire

http://m.imgur.com/a/ki1fG

Also link to all the armies if you're interested

>>50932882
I work 60-hour weeks and go to college, so I don't paint very quickly. My (now-former) centerpiece is painted, as are about half of my other models, but since I just got a Battleforce everything in it is still unpainted (though primed). I paint as I get time.

>>50932974
Eh... it was one of those games where if everyone had fun everyone won, since the weird super weapons would randomly take points off the field and stuff, guard chaos side was really kicking ass, then drop pods came in and out knight got snipped and it went there way, we technically were holding all the objectives, but we didn't have many points left by the end

>>50932955
The tau player was actually using a really tame list, he's super New so he didn't know how to run his army very well so he wasn't a dick or anything, still got really mad when my assassin with full wounds lost all of them from supporting fire overwatch, but that's tau for ya

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>>50931427
It's me again, cadianon and if you saw what this beast did last night you'd be in tears of joy. First of all after a few turns of no overheats, only the main guns in range, what do I roll? Triple 1's. I save 2, then proceed to stomp everything around me with 1 hull point firing all its weapons never to overheat again. Oh the points it made back, what a glorious day!

>>50932910
How are IW Tier 1? Is it just the CAD giving them a shit ton of Oblits?

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>>50933040

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Grey Guard Anon here can't decide what I want to buy next (besides more Wyverns) so /tg/ I'm going to let you choose.
Dubs decides what unit from the Guard codex I get.
Trips for what force I should ally to my lads.

>>50933070
Oblits and Havocs are now quite deadly. Autocannons put out a shit-ton of pain on medium vehicles with Tank Hunters.

Could debatably move them into Tier 2, I guess, but they're pretty good.

>>50933040
Plasmacutioner is so fucking amazing, run him with pask or a generic commander with the right warlord trait to reroll gets hot, even THSS don't like having to make 10 3+s and everything else melts

>I don't like them with canons because it becomes a points sink but I for sure can appreciate the extra fire power

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>>50932975
the biker specifically says "up to 2 bikers may replace either their close combat weapon or their bikes twin-linked bolt gun with one of the following:
-Flamer
-Melta gun
-Plasma gun"

>>50933081
Buy a Baneblade.

Ally with Skitarii.

>>50933081
good bases

an ally with good bases

>>50933081
Pask

If you already have him then sentinels

If you already have them then manticores

If you already have that then ratlings

If you have all of those fuck yourself you'd don't need more models

>>50933101
that's not the biker character you fucktard

>>50932935

The bike itself is a wargear, you can't just dismantle the bolter from it UNLESS you have the option to do so, which chaos bikers do and chaos lords don't.

>>50933101
Oh, I see where we went wrong. I'm talking about Biker Champs taking from the Ranged Wargear list in the Armory by switching their 2xbolter for a combi-plans.

>>50933081

MOAR MANTICORES.
TURN THOSE KNIGHTS INTO ASH.

>>50933130
Does the character or does he not have a twin-linked bolter? If not, how can he fire it? If so, why can't he swap it?

>>50933070
They're Tier 2 most likely. The fortification formation is pretty nice though and ITC is allowing 2 forts per army now.

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>>50932853
Putting together first Space Marines with little sister.

How is it? Tried to follow the instructions, but I figured the arm with plasma gun would get in the way.

>>50933101
That is the entry specifically for chaos bikers, not a "csm character" given a bike as wargear.

>>50933130
New anon here, just been lurking.

At the start of this discussion I would have agreed with you, but after >>50933101 I think RAI and probably even RAW is very much that a character on a bike can replace the twin-linked bolter on his bike as his "ranged weapon on the model". I actually can't think of anything in the rules that would contradict this.

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>>50933183

Left arms are meant to match specific right arms on the sprue.
It's usually the arm closest to the other.

So is vulkan the only primarch aside from leman that we can be certain will return as all others seem to be in stasis or seriously injured. and if so VULKAN LIVES

>>50933184
Doesn't matter, though. A Character given a bike now has a twin-linked bolter. This is a ranged weapon and therefore can be replaced per the armoury.

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>>50931990

Those new plastic SoB sure are oddly proportioned.

>>50933173
It's a part of the bike not the dude, cmon now.

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>>50933214
And he is my recently lost, then recently found again Plague Hulk

>>50933212

The biker entry shows that's NOT the case, because if it were, there would be no need to specify the twin-linked bolter in the biker's entry.

>>50933223
Vulcan got seriously injured as well when he bear hugged an ork with a nuke

>>50933040
Executioners put in that work son. I had a bit of an excessive set up, but it did work. It was 4 Bullgryns in front of Pask in a Punisher and Executioner buddy with an Engiseer and 2 Servitors with a half circle of Conscripts forming a U shape around everything, protecting from the rear of deepstrikers and counter-assaulting anything that got close with the Bullgryns and Conscripts. The tanks got repaired 5 hullpoints throughout the game and just shit on everything.

>>50933128
I have all those things and I can recommend them all as well. How should I kit out my Sentinels? Right now I have 3 Scout Sentinels with 3 Multi-Lasers and 3 Autocannons as options and then 1 Armored Sentinel with a Plasma Cannon that has all the options I could replace. Unfortunately I don't have anything else atm, but I've been considering doing units of 2 Armored Sentinels with Lascannons. I usually have a few IA Astropaths or Psykers in my lists so I've been thinking about using them to cast Prescience on.

>>50933231
They are not separate models. A Character on a bike with a twin-linked bolter is a model with a twin-linked bolter. "One weapon on the model" does not mean "one weapon on the guy who is not the bike even though they are the same model".

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>>50933173
The issue I see is that it says "the Chaos Bike is fitted" with the bolter. I'm not sure by RAW that it is counted as arming the IC with the weapon in a manner in which he's free to exchange it.

>>50933173

The character has a bike. Which is what he bought in the special issue wargear. A bike. He didn't buy a TL bolter. He bought a bike. A bike.

The bike has a TL bolter.

>>50933228
It does matter though, because your only evidence is a specific exception in an unrelated unit.

>>50933214

Dayum, nice.

>>50933228
Just this. How can there be so much debate over such a simple piece of text?

>>50933250

No, it's a model with a bike. The TL bolter isn't a weapon on the model, it's a weapon on the bike. This is why the biker entry SPECIFICALLY SAYS you can swap the TL bolter.

>>50932755
hope your models are painted now

>>50933081

Ogryn. No, wait, Bullgryn.

>NL fag whom can't decide
>Murder Talon gets Raptor core
>spawn tax I guess
>Terminators are apparently shit
>auxiliaries are bloated with points
>not interested in spamming helldrakes
>no good way to give the possessed formation Dreadclaws in Decurion
>no obsec without Warband
>warband needs shitty CSM as opposed to CAD raptor troops
>still need Auxillary

>CAD gets ObSec Raptors, but loses on NF and rerolled charges.
>easier to build a list without needing to spam 2 different units

>thinking about just using 30k rules
>RoW have even more tax and/or require $20000 in FW models

Why am I being so fucking difficult/autistic about this?

>>50933254
I'm not the other guy you're arguing with.

I'm saying a model on a bike is a single model. The armoury says "the model may replace one ranged weapon with". In order for this not to work using the twin-linked bolter on the bike, the Character and the bike would have to be two different models, which they are not.

>>50933223
No

Vulkan is lost and will return when the Salamanders return all relics made by him or some shit like that.

Khan and Corax are also lost and could return. Dorn is weird as he was dead in 4th-5th ed then got retconned to lost with only his hands being recovered by the Imperial Fists.

>>50933259
Thank you :)

>>50933238
But it's not the biker's entry you should be looking at, this is an IC we're talking about, right?

>>50933271
>The TL bolter isn't a weapon on the model, it's a weapon on the bike.
The bike is part of the same model. It's one model. A Character on a bike does not count as two models.

>>50931307
>OP pic lacks GSC, again

When will we get the respect we deserve?

>>50933183
usually best to glue the weapon arm before glueing the holding arm otherwise the weapon is supposed to be in front of the power-armor. Some people paint the breastplate before glueing on weapons but thats mostly redundant as its obscured anyway

>>50933251
Bike is fitted. Marines are armed.

>>50933310
We just Return to the Shadows sometimes anon, it's alright.

May you roll many 6's in service to the Spiral Father.

>>50933297
im gonna have to side with this guy otherwise you could give the bike other chaos wargear like marks or chaos rewards

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>>50931427
Here's another holiday game I had. My storm troopers grav chuted directly into the cupola of a battle wagon and were shredded liken old credit card.

>>50933320
The Great 4-ARMED-EMPEROR prefers 5s.

>>50933319
The exact use of the word "fitted" or "armed" has no defined rules function and does not change the result.

The fact is that a character on a bike with a twin-linked boltgun is a model with a twin-linked boltgun.

>>50933242
Guard anon here, honestly sentinels are meh, jr sounds like you use a similar strategy to me and I can tell you sents just don't do enough work, but saying that you might have points to spend and you want to use your fast attack slot since the HS one is obviously constantly filled for guard, the three statagies for sentinels goes like this

>outflank with flamers/cannons and swiftly die
>use armoured with autocannons or multilasers to pepper light armour and iD S6
>don't use lascanons you'll never hit anything
>use a squad of three with plasma cannons to sling tons of plasma with more HP than a leman Russ that doesn't take up a HS slot

Either way sentinels, especially the scout ones, will die quickly, but think of it this way, would you rather their S6 and higher be shooting at your tanks and artilary, or your cheep little walkers that if ignored will get their points back, and if not they'll aren't vital to survive

Anything I'm missing other guard anons?

>also real fast about psykers, prescience is AMAZINg for guard, take a squadron of manticores, prescience them, then POTMS one to fire rockets at two targets, that's one of many ways prescience compliments your army better than almost any other

>>50933292
Characters in general, yeah.

>>50933276
I second this. Bullgryn are lots of fun with a Priest. They just aren't great for their points. They aren't bad if you have that superheavy that is also an assault vehicle.

But their best use is still just cover for tanks. They just cost enough that you could get a second tank.

>>50933238
>no need to specify the twin-linked bolter in the biker's entry.

Is written that way to preclude exchanging the CCW.

>>50933273
Starting to paint them now, and i just stripped 40 of them to repaint in a better scheme and just got a lot of alpha legion so ill be at it a whike

>>50933286
>he was dead in 4th-5th ed then got retconned to
nah, them only finding his hand's skeleton is from at least third edition, but likely earlier

>>50933335
I see. Though you serve a... lesser denomination of the grand Faith of the Blessed Blood, I shall forgive you for you are still my distant brother.

>>50933240
Yea but isn't like perpetually immortal so even if he were to die or get seriously engineered he would come back no matter what?

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>>50931427
Stole the initiative first turn and my sternguard, in a stunning defiance of new model syndrome, dropped in right alongside a battle wagon with a supa kannon and sploded it, killing every loota inside and overwhelmingly making their points. Pretty much won the game turn one with that.

>>50933416
I'm really getting in to lore I heard second hand and on 1d4chan, but I believe Vulcan lost his immortality and is now "only" a primarch, he "apparently" was vaporized by a nuke in the beast series, but anyone who believes he actually died needs to remember that if he's dead that means that's one less primarch to return in 40k and Gw isn't going to do that

>>50933392
Listen m8, I've heard about your church. Take it from me, the Great Deliverance is going to eat you rather than take you up to heaven, just like it did those Cult of the Star Talon fellows back on Yuvan Prime. If you want true salvation, we'll always welcome you with 2 to 4 open arms. But stay true to your current path and the Great Deliverance will find you unworthy.

>>50933374

I wasn't aware CCWs were ranged weapons.

>>50933452
>>50933374
You guys know chains like this are why people say generals are cancer right?

>>50933443
How can you play with so little terrain?

>>50933360
That sounds about right. I might convert my Scout Sentinels to Armored ones and put Autocannons on them. Do you know any good parts to make them look armored?

And yes Psykers are amazing for Guard. I put in the IA Astropaths a lot because they are only 25 points and there's no limit like there is for Primaris Psykers. I put the Astropaths in Guard squads and then give them First Rank Second Rank plus Prescience. Lots of re-rolling dakka.

>>50933452
What does that have to do with the line in the Chaos Biker entry smartass?

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>Passive Aggressive Bellend ruins game

>Those 5 point Neophytes have I4?
yes
>Oh cool, same as a 400 year old Warrior Monk in power armour, ok cool
right...

>Those 8 point Acolytes have 2 attacks do they
yeah
>Nice, my Space Marines don't, never mind, must be nice

>Returing to the shadows again, I look forward to having to rekill D6 of them again next turn, brilliant

>Oh another 6 for cult abmush, excellent, excellent, "geegee" thanks GeeDubs

>Ok so, My Landspeeder will Heavy Flame the Genestealers
You jinked last turn, you can't fire
>Flamers can still fire
Well.... (10 minutes later)
>Fucking brilliant thanks GeeDubs "geegee"

Why even play, why would you do this, why would you play this fucking game? An opponent like this is a once in a blue moon but WHY

>>50932682
That's what happens when a Codex is built around solid core units.

...wow I think I just stumbled upon what makes the Skitarii and GSC Codexes so excellent and well-received. Their basic Troops choices are solid as fuck. Vanguard and Acolytes are the meat of the army, units you actually WANT, instead of taxes you take so you can fit in as many cheesy monstrous creatures and specialty units as possible.

It's like imagining the beauty of a Grey Knights Codex where the best unit was the Terminators instead of DKs, or a Tyranid Codex where Hormagaunts and Warriors were the most desirable and Flyrants were okay support units.

>>50932791
>>50932770
> Top Deck Games
How is the place for gaming? I play at Nerdvana, but everyone there is incredibly anti-tournament - not just casual, but they view the idea of playing 40k with any amount of seriousness as anathema. This makes my Necrons and Codex Marines be in an awkward position.

>>50933492
Yeah I use 2 ML2 astropaths and coteaz with 3 little runt psykers the inquisition can take, that's a lot of dice to roll for invisibility if in feeling like a cheese lord, and can grab prescience a couple times too

If you mean you have the open canopy built for your sentinels then just cover them up with burlap and paint it to make it look like camo if it would match your army, maybe attach some bits ork style to make it look like it was a hasty conversion by the guards tech adepts?

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>>50933517
Damn Anon. I've never encountered anyone so bad.

>>50933517

You deserve it for playing Genestealer cults.

I don't even think they're broken, they're just so heavily influenced by RNG it never feels like a proper game win or lose.

>>50933517
I tabled both my opponents in a tourney game, third and final game was against an unpainted GSC army, I got basically tabled and ended up in tie place for second and had to split pot

It was fun to play against even though I lost because it was a lot different army than usual, but yeah I have to admit it was frustrating when so many units seemed to be perfectly made for their rolls with no downside, and that cult insurrection bullshit or whatever was getting so frustrating even without him rolling that many 6s

>>50933480
A legitimate rules discussion? Get back to suit posting instead?

>>50933554
Where the hell is nerdvana at? I dont really mix with any scene at top deck cuz i get to play like once a fucking year sadly, iknow very few people near me who play and the place is like 45 mins away. From what ive heard I think its a pretty neutral place

>>50933534
Same for ad mech. All of these armies are great, and part of it is the troops being so much fun.

>>50933534
Imagine if i could field my 150 gaunts and actually win a game

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>>50933517
It is annoying that they were such a shit cunt.
It is also annoying that you play GSC.
It's a match made in heaven

>>50933616
It's off of English Creek, in Egg Harbor Township. Look for a strip mall anchored by a Shoprite and an AC Moore, with a Home Depot nearby.

>>50933450
I will pray to the void listeners that you find it in yourself to shed this unbecoming arrogance and awaken to the realization that only the Spiral Father can know and judge who is worthy, just as I did for our brothers of the Star Talon who brought their own selfsame downfall.

>>50933517

>>Ok so, My Landspeeder will Heavy Flame the Genestealers
>You jinked last turn, you can't fire
>>Flamers can still fire
>Well.... (10 minutes later)
>>Fucking brilliant thanks GeeDubs "geegee"

Is er... is this real? With the jink...

Anons, I'm going to pull my Grey Knight army out of storage from 6th edition and see what they can do. How do Grey Knights stack up with the new Space Marine powers, and are Terminator troops still good?

I was thinking of allying them with my Skitarii, they would be a good counterpoint to the metal men.

>>50933517
Alpha strike and turn 1 assaulting deep striking armies aren't fun. The best games are where it's chip damage and a few lost units for 1-2 turns and then 3-4 turns of close range shooting and a mix of assault and running about to do objectives. It's a gradual progression where 90% of your fun army that you put time and effort into gets to do something, or just attempt to do something.

When you sit there and lost half your stuff turn 1 either to shooting or to turn 1 assaults, it just ruins the game. I've won against alpha strike/long range gun lines/turn 1 assaulting armies and it still isn't a fun game. Lose or win, they are boring games.

>>50933721
You can't fire blast or template weapons as snap shots. Jinking causes your next shooting phase to be snap shots.

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>>50933680
>>50933604
>>50933583

>tfw bullied for playing GSC again

I'm going back to Marines and Necrons, I can't handle all this vitriol

>>50933517
Yeah, sorry mate, sounds like you played a huge faggot. It happens to all of us now and again.

>>50933583
>>50933680
>I have no taste please rape my face
Instead of being bitter and shitting on people for playing one of the few excellently-written armies you could try NOT being a jealous cunt.

>>50933534

Kinda looking forward to my Night Lords for the same reason because I am a sucker for Jump Infantry. Raptor Troops with built in fear and stealth sounds fun as fuck.

>>50933753
Don't give in Child of the 4-ARMED-EMPEROR. You will be persecuted for your excellence, but you will be rewarded for it too!

>>50933753
You're going to get as much shit for Marines, Anon.

>>50933680
>>50933583

What armies are people allowed to play without getting you upset?

>>50933680
>>50933604
>>50933583

>t. Tau (& or) Eldar players

>>50933795
the ones that you don't play

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>>50933608
Why not? What is your favorite tau battlesuit? Mine is the XV25 stealthsuit. They are fun to paint in different stealth/camo styles and are pretty good on the table.

>>50933753
The unworthy will always seek to tear down those that they don't understand. Do not lose faith, my kin. Our wills are stronger than theirs.

>>50933722
every loss hurts like hell but you can rest assured your dudes will crush many special snowflakes

>>50933810
im not a huge fan of the suits but i love the kroot i think they look really cool and have a backworld feel you dont get from many other races.

>>50933555
I should try to find the points to upgrade them to ML2 sometime. I want to take Coteaz someday, but currently I only ever ally in an Inquisitor for fun things like Karamazov nuking Conscripts while they are locked in close combat, or nuking Yarrick as he face tanks sky bombs next to tanks. Or I put in an Inquistor with Straken for a T3 death star that ends up being more like point sink star.

Those are good ideas for the Sentinels. I should check to see if I have any bits I could chop up and do what you said, like make shit conversion by tech adepts. Or just make shift by drunk Catachans. "Yeah just bolt some shit to it, it'll be fine".

>>50933808
Fucking this.

Manbaby taudarfags mad that their shitty era of gunline supremacy is ending fill my soul with joy.

Day of Ascension when, brothers.

>>50933732
backing you up on this

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>yfw Cawl gives the key to Void Dragon's prison to Trayzin

>>50932421
Planets left for the eldar, deldar, ork and human pirates to plunder upon them with the bulk of the tse armies retreating behind the fire wall, planets left to defend themselves don't last long in 40k.

>>50933810
The entirety of Tau are and always have been Warhammer 40k for buttlusting weebfaggots.

Kroot are kewl though.

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>>50933848
Oh boy... the two armies that have tools for literally everything in their main codex will be non-meta army. Sure is crazy times in the Age of the Emperor.

>>50933864
>planets left to defend themselves don't last long in 40k
This. Hooooly shit, this.

>>50933795
They won't get upset if you give them a feeling of success. Killing 7-8 cultists every turn with a heavy flamer made my grey knight player forget that i powerfisted his paladins.

>charge gunline with melee characters over open terrain
>they get shot to shit and die
>BAWWW GAMESWORKSHOP HATES MELEE GUNLINES OVERPOWERED

are chaosfags really this dumb?

>>50933917
Gunlines are still boring to play against. It's not bawww it's OP

It's ugh, this shit is boring. You finally get there after 3 turns, then you kill everything. Booooring.

>>50933917
Because I'm sure you play on a table with the proper 40% square area terrain coverage with your gunline army, eh?

Someone explain to me why Night Lords Raptor Talons suck when compared to, like, 4 other legions versions of the formation?

>>50933583
GSC aren't as RNG as you think. Take several smaller squads, in multiple subterranean uprisings to diversify. 55% of your army will arrive and make a charge or shooting attack.

>>50933795
Dark Eldar (no allies you fgt), Chaos Daemons, Chaos Space Marines, Tyranids, Orkz

>>50933795

If your army doesn't upset your opponent, it will upset you for being so terrible: e.g. Orks, Tyranids, pre-Traitor's Hate CSM.

>>50933917
I walked a 5 man termi squad + typhus + nurgle sorcerer towards some leman russes for 4 turns two day ago. Worked fine and made my enemys despair.

>>50933962
What do you mean?

>>50933851
Cawl doesn't even trust Trazyn

>>50933967
>chaos daemons

Without pink/blue/brimstone horrors

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>>50933967
>not upset by chaos daemons

>>50933917
Really I'm just mad that they don't have a turn 1 charge, or more than one land raider, which is our only assault option. Basically they have an assault army with no ways of actually getting into an assault, and that's obvious to anyone that isn't being a dickbag.

I'm a Dark Angels player btw. I'm pretty mad I can't run solo deathwing too though.

>>50933967
>Chaos Daemons
>Not an OP army

Pick one.

>>50934029
>>50934030
oh god I forgot about that faggotry, my bad
Chaos Daemons with the exception of Tzeentch daemons and Infernal Tetrad

>>50934014
Probably that other legions actually boost the combat effectiveness of raptor squads, while all night Lords do is cause a status condition that 70% of the meta ignores.

>>50933766
>32% chance to either appear infront of someone and assault turn 1 or get two turns of shooting in one.

>68%chance to sort of be near and not really do anything

>excellently-written

>>50934067
Assault squads are a garbage unit for space marines though, and they're probably a garbage unit for Chaos too. They only reason they're better in SM is the Skyhammer, and that's because the formation rules are just fucked up broken.

>>50934075
Yes, those are good.

>>50933962
Which legions do it better? BL, EC?

>>50934075
>I don't actually play GSC or probably much 40k at all: the post

>>50934014
I don't know man. It's just fucking annoying that Night Lords don't even get Fearless as the Fear army, or Alpha Strike to make their Raptors as good as Black Legion. Like, really consider how stupid those rules are.

A Night Lords army can't scare practically any Space Marines, except for other Night Lords. And a few other Legions, but my point is Night Lords can scare EACH OTHER.

Stealth sucks, World Eaters already get a free reroll to charge and they get Fearless on top of it.

>>50934075
Everyone who isn't analytically braindead has heaped praise on the GSC codex for being one of the most fun and flavorful ever released.

The two most popular codices are them and Skitarii judging by reception (note I don't mean the most popular FACTIONS).

Below is the current breakdown of what armies are winning events. The list combines all the top events for the year so far, taking only the top three winners from Major or GT events.

34 Eldar
19 Daemon
12 Space Marine
10 Tau Empire
8 Chaos Space Marines & Renegades
7 Dark Angels
6 Ad-Mech
4 Imperial Knight
3 Space Wolves
3 Genestealer Cults
2 Tyranid
2 Dark Eldar
2 Astra Militarum
2 Necrons
1 Harlequin
1 Grey Knight
1 Blood Angel
1 Ork

>>50934085
Raptor can take 2 meltas/flamer/plasmas + combiweapon. They are quiet shooty for a csm melee unit

>>50934075
Actually:

55% chance to assault or shoot twice in the first turn for subterranean uprisings, an 88% chance to deploy within 9 inches at most of the enemy.

That is an 88 percent Chance to deploy better than nearly any other army can hope for.

>>50934117
You can't understand how to cause fear if you can't feel fear.

They are the Batman faction.

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>>50934117
>Stealth sucks
Kill yourself so hard that you die to death

>>50931829
Nothing NSFW there.

Also 4chan at work is not a good idea in general.

>>50934085
Raptor Talon lets you charge out of deep strike. They aren't the worst.

>>50934117
>Night Lords don't even get Fearless
Night Lords are among the most human of the Traitor Legions.

>>50934143
>or shoot twice
I can't believe people talk about this like it's OP or something.

GEE WHIZ AN EXTRA 5 SHOTS WITH MY S3 AP - AUTOPISTOLS, HOW WILL MY OPPONENT EVER RECOVER.

>>50933040
I dont like it

>>50933962

The irony is that Night Lords actually do better without using a Talon unless they go with a Terror Pack. The Warband is better.

>>50934014

Other legions can boost them with marks. Compare NL raptors to EC or DG raptors.

>>50934085

Assault squads can't take Melta/Plasma, but Raptors can't take chainfists or drop pods.

>>50934117

To be fair, Night Lords aren't exactly fearless. Hell, in HH they get bonuses to running away.

>>50934166
This is the only thing that bothers me though, they have to make a disordered charge. Why? Skyhammer doesn't, and they get other better rules as well. They could have totally written them to not have to make a disordered charge, and it would have been fine, but no.

>>50934127
>>50934128
They also specifically prey upon Eldar. This is a good thing.

>>50934210
Just treat it as an invitation to multi-charge.

>>50934210

>tie a bunch of annoying shooting units up for a turn or two
>less likely to get stuck out of combat

It's not that bad anon.

>>50934196
You mean an extra two shots with my heavy flamers, assault grenades, mining equipment, and heavy weaponry.

>>50934128
Really thought Gsc was more up there, I saw a lot of lists in top 5 using them, people just don't know how to handle them yet

>>50934235
The odds of deep striking, not scattering, and being within range to charge two units, that's just highly unlikely but you have a point.

>>50934256
I'm not saying it's bad, it's one of the best formations in traitor legions, I just don't see why it had to be a disordered charge.

>>50934128
The number of Eldar players makes sense. I watched the breakdown of the Tabletop Tactics guys tournament he went to and he played 5 Eldar armies back to back all using similar lists.

>Guard winning 2

Man that's so jarring. I'm a 5th edition player and I remember when Guard were top tier.

>>50931427
I want to play, but I only allow myself to play with finished, painted models (try it guys! It'll save you a ton of cash if you're limited by your work ethic and not your wallet!) and I need to get my chimeras painted up. As it is I only have tanks and infantry which means no midfield power which my army desperately needs.

>>50934289
>The list combines all the top events for the year so far
GSC are a new army.

>>50934316
Yeah I read that, but I'm almost certain I saw them take at least top 3 for three tourneys in a row, I guess that was it?

>>50934304
This is why you go slaaneshi daemons with icon (for speed), take a raptor talon of warp talons, and enjoy mostly accurate deep striking.

>>50934315

Yeah the way I have been easily affording so much shit is because I don't buy that often and only play painted. If you're a person who never gets shit painted there's no point in constantly dropping huge tons of cash on models you never paint or even build. Even if it's slow, a steady stream of fully painted units is much more enjoyable.