Can animals be evil aligned?

cassovary

In D&D, no. They are guided by nature itself, and as such are neither good nor evil as nature acts only to achieve balance. Most animals are not intelligent enough to make moral decisions, and even those that could perhaps have the rudimentary capability to perform simple judgement values are unable to defy the rules of nature, the instincts that control them and outline their existence.

There are, however, magical beasts that are good and evil, who take their natures from divinities that either seek harmony or absolute dominance.

Depends on their intelligence, dolphins are known to rape things and kangaroos tend to lure dogs near water then drown them despite not being a threat.

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>>50935415
>and as such are neither good nor evil as nature acts only to achieve balance

So there can be no Good Dogs?

>>50935332
Hamsters.

>>50935332
Depends on the setting.

>>50935415
>In D&D, no.
Depends on the ruleset.

>>50935901
Alignments are broad.
|G|G|G|G|G|N*|N*|N|N|N|E|E|E|E|E|E|

*where good dogs fit

>>50935901
Dogs aren't natural; they're manmade. While this obviously isn't D&D related, dogs also show several surprisingly human traits that they developed that are analagous to cognitive traits thought to be almost uniquely human such as metacognition (making decisions and inferences based on what they think another creature is thinking, namely humans).

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>>50935332
These things exist so clearly yes.

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Yes.

>>50936130
>>50935901

This. Domesticated animals are all "good" aligned because they like and trust humans, and are all socialised to some extent.

>>50936202
If domesticated animals are Good is it an Evil act to kill and eat them?

>>50936202
>because they like and trust humans,

That's not what qualifies something as good, and more importantly their are plenty of examples of animals being reared to be vicious.

>>50935332
Boars are Always Chaotic Evil.
Fucking bastards.

>>50936233
No, but it is an evil act to be cruel to them or harvest more than we need. Da Joos have a commandment about only eating meat when you have a "especial craving" for your health and a bunch of other stuff about respecting animals and making their end as painless as possible which kosher dietary law / kashrut evolved from.

>>50936262
Yeah, but we do not really give moral agency to lesser animals because they're (moreso) ruled by nature than humans. Humans that are raised to be viscous normally have options to behave differently and escape their environment for a new one unless they live in some third world anus.

>>50936130
>Dogs aren't natural; they're manmade.

Wait, that implies there's dogs made by elves and dwarves.

Dogs made with the FINEST craftsdwarf/elfship.

>>50936280
Boars, rhinos, buffalo, and geese.

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>>50936331
>rhinos
>evil

You mean nature's fire prevention officer?

https://youtu.be/OZ81dcD1N8s

>>50936177
>>50936147
A chihuahua and a goose form a relationship based solely on hatefucking. The resulting offspring still carries only a fraction of the rage displayed on /tg/ on a daily basis.

>>50936326
>Aye, such a beautiful dog. Must be dwarven craftsmanship, no doubt about it.

>>50936326
Did man make dog in his image or was it the other way around?

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>>50935332
yes

>>50936950
Dogs are known to recognize facial expressions and body language cues that are exclusive to humans, and present their emotions in some ways that wolves, coyotes, and dingos do not. It's safe to say that human behavior has been inserted into your average dog's instincts.

>>50936468
But that means they will disrupt human encampments even if they're peaceful. EVIL.

I did not know that about rhinos though. That's pretty awesome.

>>50938088
It's from a comedy movie, with that scene based on an old legend.

Chimps can be and are largely neutral evil
Dolphins are Chaotic neutral given flesh

>>50936326
It's actually interesting to imagine what kind of animal breeds different fantasy races would create.

>>50937228
MRI research shows that dogs have a region in the brain specialised specifically to understand human speech. Dog is a weird ass animal. Imagine a species of sentient aliens that evolved to be a good companion to it's masters.

>>50936326
little know fact but corgi's are actually dwarf made

I don't think animals are evil if they just follow instincts.

also allignments are fucking stupid, if questions like this occur more than once per game session: seek a better game.

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>>50935332
Fucking primates are pretty much always chaotic evil aligned.

>>50941491
Nigga that's Thak, he was baller as fuck and managed to smack the shit out of an evil wizard like a complete pimp.
Conan even said he was his own home grown OG, how can you not like Thak.

>>50935332
As someone who has cats: yes.

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>>50935332
Is this some sort of trick question?

>>50941768
go away evil dogger

>>50941768
go away evil dogger

>>50941686
Thak is a cool primate, but he was also kind of an asshole that took pleasure in scaring and killing. That kinda makes him evil.

>>50936904
>dwarf made dog
>sharp angles
>dwarfish runes instead of spots in the fur
>built like a shit brickhouse

I can see it.

>>50936331

Literally all geese must be genocided. Bastards.

>>50941768
go away evil dogger

Read the American short essay "A Bad Lion"

>>50935332
Not to modern, liberal, stay safe in urban environments people. They don't know the fear that a wolf may be able to slip close enough to the unfenced house to grab their toddler and eat him while the adults are busy with something for only a couple minutes before they realize the child has run off. They don't know the cunning of a fox slipping past their dogs to reach the hen house they keep to feed themselves. They have no idea of the horror of having no firearms and seeing a bear wander down towards the stream where their wife is down washing clothes.

Those safe and sound in their suburban domiciles cannot see the evil that is already there, just waiting for a chance to take anything they love.

>>50939199
You could say most of those weird monstrosities are engineered animal breeds. My setting explains bullettes as animals bred by dwarves for exacavation purposes

>>50941686
Nah, the depicted fight's in the wilderness, so it's probably one of the grey apes from "Iron Shadows in the Moon"

>>50941768

Cum in my pussy evil dogger

>>50942128

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>>50942536
Edgy's ass, have you ever even been in the fucking woods? Even a small ass black bear (small being 250 lbs of annoyed ursine) is scary as fuck.

>>50942128
>>50942545
Evil isn't a wolf eating your toddler or a bear mauling your wife. Those things are awful and scary, but the animal is just doing it because an opportunity presented itself and it is taking advantage.

Geese are evil. They gain no advantage and present themselves to greater harm and loss simply to be destructive anti-social shits. A bear will kill you because it feels threatened or hungry. A goose will fly across a lake to attack you because it's an asshole.

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>>50935332
>Can animals be evil aligned?
Seriously OP, have you ever met a goose?

>>50935332
well OP Orcs are usuall Chaotic Evil

>>50943916
That's a dog.

>>50944024
yeah i know. I wasn't refering to the picture

>>50936326
>tfw we are like elves in the eyes of dogs

>>50942128
>Nature is merciless, that must mean its evil!

if living in the country its so scary to you why not move to the city?

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>>50944071
>>50943916

Are you saying Orcs made geese?

>>50944282
To cats we are the village idiot.

>>50944344
/tg/ should make an Orclike race based on geese.

>>50942545
>scary as fuck.
Scary =/= evil anon.

>>50942128
Said the urban city nerd.

You are literally retarded and/or never went outside.

>hurr durr nature is so evil and scary

No, you fucking autistic no-lifer. Nature is nature. The end.

>>50944695
>>50944616

So you're saying Skinwalkers are a force for good and that we should try to be their friends?

>>50944846
Skinwalkers aren't real, you retarded /x/ autist.

>>50944846
Eden if skin walkers were real, they are no more a "natural" creature than a vampire or a fey

>>50942128
Evil implies malice or at the very least some form of morality that defines what actions are good or bad. Nature isn't evil because nature has no morality. A wolf isn't looking to fuck you over, it's just looking for food and it may happen that you're the easiest meal available.

I remember one short story by some pretty well known writer whe a many speaks with the embodiment of Nature, and askes her why she torments him so: every place is too hot or cold or wet or humid, there's dangerous predators, stinging insects, diseases, and so on. Nature replies that she never at any point gave a single thought on either the suffering or wellbeing of man, and that he's a fool for assuming the world was designed with his comfort or discomfort in mind. Then he gets eaten by a lion. The lion was old and sick, but eating the man gave it enough strength to prolong its life slightly.

>>50935332
Judeo-Christian answer: Only man was given moral agency and free will.

Atheist answer: Only man's natural intelligence has the capacity for moral agency as defined by man. While some animals rarely display traits such as altruism (e.g. most Great Apes, some Corvids), they just don't have the necessary programming to be all moral all the time. Hell, few humans do, and they can self-program.

>>50941768
go >>>/out/ evil dogger

>>50941768
Go away evil dogger

>>50935332
Cats exist so yes

>>50941768
Go away evil dogger.

>>50942545
Black bears are cowardly as fuck. You can drive one off by banging on a skillet and shouting at it.

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>>50944958
>skinwalkers aren't real
That's just what a skinwalker would say.

>tfw the only times I was ever attacked by an animal were, surprise surprise, 2 ducks and a swan.

>be kid on vacation at the Lake District in England with parents
>Standing on shore/beach playing in the sand
>Swan sees me from like 300 feet away, makes a beeline for me and starts fucking chasing and snapping its bill at me until I fucked off the shore entirely.

>2 years ago on a small cattle farm helping friend out filming a commercial
>These 2 ducks just kept chasing the crew as a team, hissing loudly and snapping at them
>Anytime anyone tried to escape, they'd just give chase and bite ankles and shoes
>My job that day was relegated to standing guard and chasing off offending ducks, using a broom like a halberd

I love animals but holy shit I hate anything that looks, smells or acts like a duck.

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My cat sure as hell is

>>50947508
>>50947945
The best way I can describe cats is a new alignment: Haughty Dumb. It's a big reason why I love them: Independent, proud and act like snooty royalty but the moment you point a laser or show them a cardboard box they just go full retard and all pretense goes out the window.

It's even more amusing that even big cats exhibit this behaviour.

>>50948074
Cats are just sort of stupid, and we mistake their silent apathy to the world as snobishness when in truth they're just either zoning out or too perplexed by the many things they can't understand to put in much effort. Then you have the curious cats that persist regardless, and it's then you see the true extent of their idiocy as they put it on full display for you.

Humans are evil animals

>>50935332
Wasps.

>>50948658
oh, you mean Satan's little helpers?

>>50948560
That's deep man

>>50935901
They're all good dogs, brent

>>50941768
go away evil dogger

>>50941768
go away evil dogger

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>>50948560
Are they? Or are they simply no different from the others, born with the same vices and instincts as the rest of their kingdom?

Face it - life itself is a mistake. An aberration. It is in the very nature of all life to destroy.

The oxygen emissions of cyanobacteria polluted this world's original atmosphere. The roots of plants crack the ground and grind the rocks to powder. All animal life must consume and destroy other life to sustain itself.

Destroying mankind will solve nothing. The crime is Life. The sentence is Death.

>>50936326
Elves wouldn't breed a dog.
They'd go for cats. Self cleaning, aloof, pretty bastards.
So are the cats.
Dwarves would either have attack badgers or guard geese. Practical thinkers dwarves.

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>>50936543
Pic is the inner thoughts of the average chihuahua

>>50950639
Crime against what? Do you think the ground cares when it gets cracked? Do you think the atmosphere cares when it's polluted?

Face it - concepts like "mistake" and "aberration" are things that can only exist in the mind of a lifeform like yourself.

>>50951479
>inb4 anon claims to be undead

>>50936326
>Dwarf dog breeds
>St. Bernard
>Mastiffs
>Terriers

>Elf dog breeds
>Vizsla
>Poodle
>Toy breeds

>>50935332
I remember reading that crabs can only feel hate and abhor all life. Even their own. That's where we get the word 'crabby' from. It's also where the word 'cancer' comes from.

>>50941768
Go away evil dogger

>>50942128
>venus fly trap kills bug
>rulesofnature.mp4
>plants are evil
>druids can only be evil aligned

>>50954480
>>plants are not evil
explain kudzu

>>50942128
This is the most tryhard cringey autistic written by someone who hasn't actually willingly spent an extended period of time in the wilderness shit ever.

>>50954500
But I said plants are evil senpai

also kudzu are just more evil, to the point of killing the lesser evil of other plants to fulfill their own goal

>>50935415
That's a pretty blanket statement though, my dude. In the Book of Vile Darkness there's a god of the feral wilds or some shit named Karaan, I think their clerics speciality is just turning people into were-animals, and other wild animal related shit.

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>>50935332
It's possible, in real life and animal can go against it's nature and start killing animals (and people) for sport rather than defense or survival. when they do they are considered to have "gone rouge". animals that have close contact to humans are more susceptiple especially those who eat human food. This is the reason why wildlife parks absouluttelly forbid feeding the wildlife especially bears

>>50935415
Animals can go rouge though

>>50942128
God I hate nu-/pol/

>>50935332
ever hear the term "rouge bear

>>50941768
Go away evil dogger.

>>50941768
Go away evil dogger

>>50947736
I wouldn't worry about it

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>>50941768
Go away evil dogger

>>50935332
Animals are aligned not by morality, but by ecology.

>>50944982
Great, make sure to tell your wife that when y'all find the bloody pile of shit, bones and sinew that used to be your infant child. I'm sure it'll make everything better.

>>50941768
go away evil dogger

>>50955689
There's a reason we say it's a person's fault for provoking a wolf, not that it's the wolf's fault it killed a human.
People are expected to know better, animals aren't. If you want to blame animals for harming humans you are personifying them too much.

>>50955689
For someone that's probably never even interacted with wild animals you're trying really hard to be edgy and intellectually superior.

>>50951576

I could see Elves developing terriers as a dedicated anti-dwarfing dog - like in fox or badger hunts, when a dwarf that an elf hunting party is chasing goes into their bolt hole you need something that can dig them out or follow them down and drag them back out again.

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>>50941768

Go away evil dogger

>>50944439
>cats are so self-absorbed they can't understand other creatures in the slightest
They really are elves

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>>50954500
>>50954554
Kudzu is not evil.
Rumours of its invasiveness are greatly exaggerated.
It's actually a very beneficial and beautiful plant.

>>50941768
What does the curse do?

>>50956604
It forces you to post meaningless phrases into internet forums for no reason.
Truly, a fate worse than death.

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>>50935332

>>50955833
dicks out

Remember in All Dogs Go to Heaven when they let Carface into heaven just because he was a dog, even though he was BLATANTLY evil and regularly called Satan on the phone and conspired to steal Gabriel's horn?

>>50958088
Wait what.

If they're tainted yes

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>>50959504
Apparently that was the plot of the sequel.

>>50958088
>even though he was BLATANTLY evil
I remember him being mostly low tier evil in the first one.

>they let Carface into heaven just because he was a dog, even though he regularly called Satan on the phone and conspired to steal Gabriel's horn?
Yeah, doesn't look like the were partners.
Poor abused doggo.