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>>50912867
PART TWO!: -

Field Manual Comstar.PDF
http://www.mediafire.com/file/ja3z2n1goe12623/Field_Manual_Comstar.PDF
8604 - The Spider and the Wolf
https://www.mediafire.com/?3d9brfrkj9vnhka
Aerotech 2 - Revised
http://www.mediafire.com/file/ivqhzog2wyoegxo/Battletech_35011_-_Aerotech_2_Revised.pdf
hexpacks 2&3:

Battletech Hexpacks
http://www.mediafire.com/file/3o59kirzzz6znac/BattleTech_Hexpacks.7z
also introbox stuff:
http://www.mediafire.com/file/l22yrlkk9buzuzl/BattleTech_Intro_Box_Set.7z

Historical War of 3039
https://www.scribd.com/doc/23569748/35014-Historical-War-of-3039

Mechwarrior 5: Mercenaries is coming, set during the Third Succession War.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gz8Y1V8gy1A&feature=youtu.be

Heavy Metal Archive (OLD)
http://www.mediafire.com/file/8so68gbw3yga4cb/2016-12-11_HeavyMetal-Archive-OLD.rar

Fan made TRO 3063:
battletechreader.blogspot.com/2012/09/the-fan-made-technical-readout-3063.html
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/8o30486fony5f/Fan_TRO_3063

... also Butte Hold

Why aren't the files on the second post uploaded into a single Mediafire folder already?

Muninn, got back from holiday today; response to your /btg/TRO question was just sent. Check your email - hopefully you haven't sent the stuff to Plog yet.

>>50912950
I don't know other than some of them came from another anon. I wouldn't mind if they were in one batch. It would make creating new threads a little easier. Either way, it's good to have the extra resources.

>be a Capellan fan
>decide to read "Close Quarters"
>get to this gem: "The Capellans were poor people, government propaganda said, kept that way by the selfishness and invidiousness of their neighbors, specifically evil House Davion of the Federated Suns. Capellans could not afford to throw anything away. Not even their criminal scum."
> and: "Rusty gave him a pitying look. "Confederation don't make no Wolverines" she said, "and the Ever-Conquerin' Army sure didn't take it as battle honors—'cause we never win any battles.""

REEEE Coleman kill the Caballeros off now!

>>50914174
I'll take 'professional writing' for 1000, Alex.

Kuritanon here, looking for other 8/12/8 lights to go with spiders/venoms. Any recommendations?

>>50914174
That's 100% accurate, though. Should have gone with Candace, you know, instead of the turbonutter.

>>50914174
This book is unbelievably anti-Liao. Why was it allowed?

>Old Hsu from the neighborhood where Cassie and her mother had moved after the 'Mechs came claimed the government let people watch the show because watching the antics of imaginary round-eye royalty kept their minds off the antics of the Confederation's own rulers, notably Chancellor Romano Liao, who some said was as mad as a bagful of ruby-eye scorpions. That was shortly before the Special Services Branch of the Maskirovka disappeared Old Hsu for running off his mouth.

>Numbly Cassie complied, simultaneously knocking a Daewoo radio off the shelf and over her shoulder; it shattered at her feet. She stared fixedly at the Guardsman's sleeve where it displayed the sword-arm patch of House Liao, the pips and triangle trim signifying SSB, to which the Guard belonged. Her face was hot, her vision blurred.

>She'd been only nine the first time one of her mother's many lovers raped her. Afterward he laughed at her and said that if she told anyone he'd make her Mummy disappear. He could do it, too; she'd seen this same green patch on his sleeve as he pulled on his jacket and buttoned it over his huge, hairy gut. Then he'd placed his visored helmet over his head and stepped from the shack into the monsoon rain that drummed against the tin and tarpaper roof and walls like demonic monkey fists.

The Maskirovka safeguard the state! This is propaganda.

>>50914330
Did the Dracs capture any Dragonfly Omnis during their battles?

>>50914346
Woah, rape? Excellent, truly the perfect ingredient for any edgy novelist to make their work appear mature and edgy.

Who wrote this crap? My first instinct is to guess Stackpole, but I know there's other shitty BT writers from the novel era.

>>50914397
>be me
>criticize authors for shitty writing
>use "edgy" twice in one sentence

I've become that which I hate.

>>50914417
Seppuku, now

>>50914346
>>She'd been only nine the first time one of her mother's many lovers raped her. Afterward he laughed at her and said that if she told anyone he'd make her Mummy disappear. He could do it, too; she'd seen this same green patch on his sleeve as he pulled on his jacket and buttoned it over his huge, hairy gut. Then he'd placed his visored helmet over his head and stepped from the shack into the monsoon rain that drummed against the tin and tarpaper roof and walls like demonic monkey fists.
It's like I'm really on /co/!

>>50914330
Does it have to jump? If it doesn't, there's the 300D Hussar and the Mercury-98 for those who gotta go fast, the Mongeese (-67 for the regular units, -66 for the lucky ones who got Comstar assistance) plus the Hermes-1S if you're one of those C* beneficiaries. This is in the 3034-3039ish era.

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>>50914444
Of course, Chancellor.

>>50914444
>4444
Yep, death confirmed

>>50914346
This book needs to be expunged from BT history!

>The squad outnumbered the secret policemen two to one, and at least half of them had rifles in hand. Yet not one of the troopies made a move to resist.

>It was not just that three of the Guardsman were covering the room with their machine pistols, but that the people of the Capellan Confederation were used to obeying harsh demands. Larsha was a poor little garrison world, hard against the hostile Davion frontier and too close for its own good to the bandit worlds of the Periphery. Its government was repressive and corrupt even by Liao standards. Here, as throughout the Confederation, the most visible symbol of that repression was the faceless Maskirovka Guardsmen. To resist would be to overcome a lifetime of conditioning. That was a lot to ask, even of former street criminals.

>>50914478
I'm looking at FCCW era actually, but those can all go on the list.

>>50914584
If it doesn't need to jump, there's also the Cicada. sure it's technically a medium but functionally it's a light mech.

>>50914397
>Who wrote this crap?
Victor Milan. He's cheesy in a good way sometimes, but pointlessly edgy all too often

>>50914598
Ooh, the 3F or 3G cicadas look like what I'm looking for, thanks.

>>50914641
Sweet Omi Kurita, Milán's writing, even at its edgiest, is fluffy clouds and kittens compared to the oeuvre of Ilsa Bick.

>>50914693
Milan may have his moments of edge, but with her you wonder how she's able to pick up a piece of paper without accidentally slicing it in half from all the edge

Sounds like none of you read his space sci fi novel, CLD.

Go try it. You'll want to bleach your brain after.

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Xotl is waaaaaay too nice of a person to hang out with us. I asked if he could get me FM:SLDF from MechCon, and get Randall to sign it "Mackie Stronk" and I got pic related.

>>50914174
>>50914346
>>50914509

Why are you people being butthurt about this? This is entirely consistent to the way the Confederation has always been written and portrayed in BT media. It's as close to being objectively correct as literally anything in any of the BT novels can be.

The CapCon is, in general, a pretty shit place to be, the same as any authoritarian state in the history of humankind. There's nothing wrong with being consistent with that in your writing.

>>50915223
it's all sarcastic you goof. They're making fun of coleman and madcap and those boys, not agreeing with them

>>50915357
>madcap

Disagreeing with the leading authority on the Capellan Confederation amoung the current stable of CGL writers is synonymous with shitposting, though. He certainly knows the true, canon state of the CapCon and its citizens far better than uppity anons on /tg.

>>50915173
Definitely. We're salty enough to cause fish kills if we go swimming in large bodies of water.

Anyone seen the new IWM models? The Hound and Triskelion are out and, frankly, look off...thought this won't stop me from buying a Trisk for me RotS unit.

On top of that the new OstScout model has been released. Its legs look a tad too big for the rest of the model but hopefully its not too bad from other angles.

Does anyone even care about the minis though? Seems like most of you only play online these days.

>>50915398
>amoung

>>50916005

Don't be salty that some of us can use the Queen's English correctly.

>>50915975
I care, but I've got serious storage problems these days. I've got about 2 battalions more than I have safe storage for, so I'm not getting any more units until I can rectify that.

>>50915975
I thibk what's making the hound look weird is that it's a bit hunched foreward in the TRO, but the mini is standing up straight and thus looks odd

>>50915975
>and, frankly, look off

Welcome to IWM.

>>50916255

I know...no real surprise. Still...one can hope. And with the general quality increase in the last year or two its become less common imo.

>>50914330
There are 8/12 Locusts and Stingers. No 8/12/8s though.

>>50915975
Hound is just badly posed. Proportions look ok.

Triskelion was always gonna be odd looking, the challenges of a tripod mini on small scale are real. It looks good for what it is.

Ostscout's legs are strange. Maybe it's also posing though, you could probably pose it differently and it'd be alright.

Roadrunner is rad as fuck.

>>50914346

>demonic monkey fists

I can't stop snickering.

>>50914641
I'm actually enjoying the Caballeros story so far. It's fun reading about a regiment of Free Worlder mercs.

>>50915173
Can identify shimmy, brent evans and russ. Who's everyone else?

>>50915975
Pictures?

>>50916142
>French Queen's English
kek

>>50916638

Randall (Mackie STRONK), Alex/FlyingDebris, Mitch and a couple of the other guys from HBS, and Jordan Weisman.

>>50916907
Oh, and how could I forget: George Ledoux.

>>50916907
Plus some bloke called Keith Ham or some such. No idea what he does.

>>50916939
Sounds like a sheep shagger to me.

>>50916935
>HELLO SOLARIS FANS

Are there any BattleTech games I can play on an Android smartphone? Will megamek function?

>>50916979
Yes. Get VICE (the Commodore 64 emulator) and Crescent Hawks' Inception.

Where are the rules for the BV costs of pilots, repair crews, etc?

What mechs in the introbox set are best for introducing new players to the game?

>>50917515
Enforcer vs. Hunchback is a great pair. Vindicator is solid, Dragon is solid.

>>50916403

I love the Roadrunner but I have no current unit that would bother using it. My RotS guys are all Heavies and Assaults.

I'd include Roadrunners if I built a raiding/scouting RotS group...but I have no plans to.

>>50914346
>>50914174
High literature

How would you handle an rpg group where one of the players wanted to pilot a battle armor or protomech when the other players are all mechwarriors?

>>50917515

Enforcer vs Vindicator has become my preferred matchup. They're close ENOUGH in capabilities to prove a good pairing, without being as swing-y as the Hunchback vs Enforcer tends to be (if the Hunchback connects with the AC/20, it usually wins; if it doesn't it loses).

It's also a good lesson that Mechs don't always have to be heavier to have a chance at winning.

>>50918207
Tell them it's a bad idea, but you are willing to listen to their reasons.
If their reasons are good and not something along the lines of 'because I want to be different', then consider giving them a squad/point of backup buddies.
Alternatively, if combat will not feature heavily, then it should be fine as-is.
Just make sure you go over that, on the battlefield, they will die easily. Offer them battlemechs that have the capabilities they are looking for.

I have both the 2nd and 4th edition intoboxes. Any suggestions for good matchups? Not only 1 on 1 but pairs and even lances

>>50918337
Two mediums sounds pretty good.

Made FCCW snake company, should I include the costs for the dropship, pilots, repair crews, etc or are they calculated separately?

Current set up is:
-Assault Lance: Naginata, Hatamoto, Flashman, Dragon 7N
-PPC Lance: Catapult K2, Panther 10KA, Ninjato 3, Grand Dragon
-Light Lance: Cicada 3G, Spider 7M, Venom, Venom
BV2 total: 15,459

>>50918835
>should I include the costs for the dropship, pilots, repair crews
No, they are irrelevant to a unit's table BV

>>50918777
Wolverine-M VS Warhammer-6R is an old favorite of mine.
Also, shad VS rifleman is weird but generally fun on the table

>>50918942
Not even a Marik but I love me those -M variants.

>>50919091
Their selection of original mechs may be mediocre, but damned if they don't know how to put together an Unseen upgrade

Is there any way to add custom DropShips to AtB/MHQ?

>>50914330
If you can cope with "only" going 7/11/7, there's the Assassin (shut up, 40 tons is an honorary light). At 7/11/5, you have Jenners (Kurita as fuck and much better than Panthers IMO).

>>50913116
Got it in just in time lol. Will get back to you tonight or tomorrow.

>>50918207
>protomech

But why?

>>50917403

BV costs for pilots are in the TechManual errata.

Repairs and repair crews aren't handled with BV, for that you want something like the Chaos Campaign rules for abstracting it.

>>50918835

You would only include their BV if you were going to field the DropShip in combat or give the pit crews weapons and use them as infantry auxiliaries.

>>50919306

Edit and rename an existing DS file with NotePad then put that in your MegaMek unit folder.

It's a bit of a pain at first but once you understand the syntax it's pretty easy.

It's how I play my custom WarShips and such in on-line games.

>>50920655
>TechManual errata
I can't seem to find it (I'm using the one from CGL's wesbite, v3.1)

>>50920859

Did you download the one that says TechManual BV?

Not trying to be an asshat, I think they should have put it all in one document. But this is CGL.

>>50916935
You misspelled Duncan Fisher really badly.

>>50920916
Ah okay, that explains it
>there are 3 separate techmanual errata pdfs
Battletech: For when you want to cross-reference half a dozen books to figure out how something works

>>50921123
Just get the new pdf and then you don't have to screw with all that stuff.

>>50921220

>pay money for shit that's still broken, years after release

Yeah, nah. If they'd had a decent editor, decent proof-reading, and actually play-tested their rules they'd have been at least to this level of errata before going to hard copy.

Which I bought, BTW. And thanks to the jewry of the BattleShop, that means only errata .pdfs need apply.

>>50921307
Then fucking pirate it from the OP, I'm pretty sure those are more recent and include errata. Geeze, quit whining.

Suppose you were building a 15k BV force, would you rather take 76 8/8 scorpions, or 20 1/1 scorpions?

>>50921683

The 8/8s won't even be able to hit past medium range and depending on rules or terrain might not even be able to box the enemy in.

The 20 1/1s are going to get fucked up by pretty much any other 15K force thanks to their shitty armour.

>>50921683
20 1/1s, easy. They'll actually be able to reliably hit and deal damage. Against normal IS pilots who are hitting on 8s, they'll be hitting on 5s, and that's fucking huge. Even with the shitty armor, they should be able to make up for it by landing way more hits than you'd normally expect.

>>50921683
A single 1/1 Scorpion is ~2.5k BV, so I'm not sure where you're getting the idea that you could manage to take 20 of them in a 15k force.

>>50921792

15K will also get you a Lance of 2/2 Awesome-8Qs.

Regardless of whether this is just a question of "What wins? 20 1/1 Scorpions or 4 2/2 Awesome-9Qs?" or in the more general sense is "Which would you rather have to fight, 20 1/1 Scorpions or 4 2/2 Awesome-9Qs?" I'm gonna go with the Awesomes there.

15K will most probably be used to buy a pair of 3050+ medium-weight lances with Veteran-ish skills, which I would really expect to rip through five 1/1 Scorpion platoons with ease any way.

>>50921893
I meant the light tank, not the quadmech.

>>50921977
Oh. Well in that case the Scorps are utterly fucked, I thought he meant the mech.

>>50921973

>rather have

Rather not have to fight, I mean.

>>50922012

I'd rather face the 20, because I can finish and win that battle sometime before next year.

>>50922032

That's the point I was making.

Not only are the Awesomes effectively a lot tougher, they have greater damage output and no ammo, with TNs that aren't meaningfully worse.

Easier to fight and wreck the all-vee force.

>>50922000
But muh scorpions nest

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Has this Lyran weight limit on noble guard 'Mechs ever been elaborated on? From this, it seems it's a straight limit, like "nothing over 55 tons for you".

So /btg/, after surviving the Jihad mostly intact, which periphery nation should my mary sue as fuck ~2.5 regiment strong merc company fuck off to to avoid the various disarmament efforts in the wake of the jihad?

>>50925082
The smoldering carcass of the fwl

>>50925082
Hanseatic League.

What's /btg/'s opinion of the Xiphos?

>>50925232
Nah, an extra 2 and a half regiments during a crucial point might actually help them survive.

Go Filtvelt. Only you can stop further re-absorption into the Federated Suns.

>>50925478

It does what it's meant to do in terms of laughing off AoE attacks.

The weapons aren't great and it's slow so mostly it's an area denial tool.

Frankly I'd rather have a Kopis most of the time. I don't play with a lot of artillery or artillery canons though so in metas heavy with those the Xiphos would be more attractive.

>>50919197
I dunno, they've always had a pretty good spread of mechs to choose from. Better than the Kuritas and Liaos.

>>50924337
It seems to have ended by the early 31st century.

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New to battletech but is the Quickdraw a good mech?
Also story time:
>Super excited just got starter box
>No idea how to play so grab 3d gf and figure out rules
>3 hours later and we figured out movement + shooting
>She shoots my clint with her enforcer and denotes me on a lucky crit
I dont understand, isnt the 3d gf supposed to hate neckbeard games?!

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>>50926640
>is the Quickdraw a good mech

It's the exact opposite of a good mech. Half the non-missile firepower is aimed backwards, for starters, and even firing forwards it puts out less firepower than a number of lighter 'Mechs (the Griffin for starters).

>>50926640

Quickdraw's okay. It's not great by any means, given the lack of armor and shit placement of its armaments (every intro box set variant has at least 2 tons of weapons aiming backwards). But it's very mobile, and can still pack a punch up close. It's best used for hunting lighter mechs, instead of trying to go toe-to-toe with other heavies; when it comes to heavies it's pretty low on the totem pole.

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>>50926640
>New to battletech but is the Quickdraw a good mech?
Not really, no.
The -5 variants are about as good as it gets, and most of those are only within the serviceable category.

>>50926694
>>50926707
>>50926711
Thanks family, really want to find a decent heavy mech, might stick with the jagermech then

>>50926912

Kek. The trolling is strong in you, youngling.

>>50926956
See>>50926640
>New to battletech
If you are saying that Im trolling because I like the jager, then point a list that says shitmech & good mech

What if the FWL had gotten a protagonist on the order of Foch, Justin, Kai, etc, and screen time and plot presence? Say this starts in 3015. What do they do?

>>50927062
The JM puts out anaemic firepower and is armoured with tissue paper. Just about the best part about it is that it's a 3025 'Mech that doesn't ever overheat. Unless you're playing with aerospace where even a plink with an AC/2 can force a piloting roll (to see if the aircraft lawn-darts) or if you get to use specialised ammunition like flak, precision or armour-piercing, you're better off taking something beefier. (Which makes sense because in the fluff, the JM is an air defence platform).

If you want a heavy 'Mech-waifu, the intro box has two fantastic heavies, the Catapult (fire off the LRMs in 8 rounds, then get stuck in and jump around with 4 MLs) and the Grasshopper which is one of the best 3025 'Mechs built.

>>50927062

Oh. I thought you were legitimately trolling the thread, asking if a bad 'Mech was good and then saying you'd stick with a good one which is actually worse than the one you asked about.

Good heavies, off the top of my head:

-Black Hawk KU
-Ostsol
-Ostroc
-Ti Ts'ang
-Arcas
-Cauldron-Born
-Rifleman IIC
-Catapult
-Jinggau
-Lament
-Lao Hu
-Loki II
-Thunderbolt
-Archer
-Avatar
-Grasshopper
-Guillotine/Guillotine IIC
-Nova Cat
-Warhammer
-Bandersnatch
-Black Knight
-Burrock
-Black Python
-Dragon Fire
-Flashman
-Hammerhands
-Falconer
-Marauder
-Night Gyr
-Orion
-Penetrator
-Timber Wolf and successors

There are others that are good in certain niches but those generally have solid variants.

Shit ones tend to be under-armoured and/or over-engined, a problem that both the Quickdraw and JagerMech have.

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>>50927170
>Guillotine/Guillotine IIC

Never forget.

>>50927170
>No Crusader
And I thought people liked torso-bombs! Ha

>>50927085
They win and stuff obviously. But why would they? They're a NPC faction.

>>50927209
they also have both torso face

>>50927170
Not that guy, but what about Lancelot, Dragoon, Vulture, Thunder, Shootist, Grand Dragon, Hammerhands, Verfolger, Rakshasa and Axman?

I thought those were Cool Guy tier too

>>50927467

Lancelot has an XL Engine with shitty armour in the later eras and is just shit with the downgrade.

Grand Dragon is OK in 3025 but sucks above that.

Axman is terrible from start to finish. Too slow, needs a bit more armour, the loadouts are schizophrenic a lot of the time and there still isn't a goddamn TSM version.

The Vulture I'm not a fan of due to the FF over Endo and thinner armour.

Rest aren't bad though.

>making Dark Age force
Are the older mechs still viable or should I stick to the new ones?

Also, is there a way to filter by more than one category in sarna? (e.g. c3i equipped and capellan)

>>50928283

>Are the older mechs still viable

Depends what you mean by older.

Gausswall shit still holds up. Other stuff depends on how good the package as a whole is. 3025-era stuff is ridiculously outclassed.

>Also, is there a way to filter by more than one category in sarna?

No, and a lot of their classes are bullshit any way, not listing designs that should be present for a faction and listing ones that shouldn't.

What I'd suggest instead is using the MegaMek filter to check for equipment then looking at the MUL.

In the case of your example, C3i is a ComStar, WoB, and for a while Ghost Bear because haha what is consistency thing. It would make sense for the Capellans to use in their Augmented lances as I've mentioned in the past but I'm pretty sure they don't make any use of it beyond immediate and very rare salvage during the Jihad.

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>>50927320
No boom today, boom tomorrow. There's always a boom tomorrow.

>>50925082

Go MoC and do a hotdrop onto the capital to actually conquer the CapCon in the MoC's name.

>>50927590
>Lancelot has an XL Engine with shitty armour

2FAST2FURIOUS

>>50925082
Only you can save the taurian concordat from itself

>>50925082

Take over Niops.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hBlSzvvz1Oo

>>50928434
AccountTech drone here.

Is there a list of Gausswall mechs?

>>50928434
>No, and a lot of their classes are bullshit any way, not listing designs that should be present for a faction and listing ones that shouldn't.
Yeah I've been trying to clean those up. Not easy.

>>50929459
>list of gausswall mechs

Off the top of my head:
Thunderhawk
Nightstar
Gunslinger
Devastator
That One Jagermech With Two Gauss Rifles
Gausszilla

>"Add 5 percent of the total BV of all units in a C3 network to each of the units linked by each network"
>c3 company costs 60% more BV
I feel like that's way too much of a tax and am thinking about houseruling that down. Maybe only 2% or 3%?

>>50929856
.....duh? Do you not get how useful a full C3 company is? Assuming you make sure to bring some ECM units to use ECCM so you don't get cut off like a chump.

>>50926912
For heavies, if you must have one from 3025 that's 'good', avoid:
Dragon
Quickdraw
Rifleman
Jagermech

Remember: What MWO classifies as "Good", and what is actually good in Battletech, are a good distance apart.

>>50930097
90% of good MWO builds would work perfectly fine in tabletop.

>>50929937
ECCM is expanded TacOps rules, not TW standard.
>>50929856 is right. I made a C3 Company before I was able to see what Techmanual did to C3 in terms of Battle Value. Mistakes were made. A company with a 65 ton average, and not particularly optimised, some with SHS, ended up being close to 30000 BV.

>>50930233
>ECCM is expanded TacOps rules, not TW standard.
That's quitter talk. ECCM should be standard, and everyone knows it.

>>50930214
Forget builds. It's because players in MWO completely gut their mechs from the minute they buy them.
I'm talking plain-jane, tournament legal, stock configs. When you crack open a TRO and say "Yep, that's a Rifleman".
As soon as you whip out customization, there's nothing preventing you from building a 30 ton mech with a 240 XL engine, DHS, and some light PPCs, and then call it an Urbanmech. Not unless you're playing it with campaign rules that impose technician skill checks.

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>>50930306
>As soon as you whip out customization, there's nothing preventing you from building a 30 ton mech with a 240 XL engine, DHS, and some light PPCs, and then call it an Urbanmech.
Yes and?

>>50930233
...who cares if it's tacops. What does that have to do with anything? Because they're optional? Yeah, you have the option to use them. I'm not sure why having a bunch of extra rules that open up additional things to do and tactics would be a bad thing. And like CA said, ECCM should probably be standard.

>>50930306
>I'm talking plain-jane, tournament legal, stock configs.

MWO actually has a pure stock only mode.

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>>50928741
>hotdrop on to the Forbidden City
>get ass fucked by Warrior House Imarra and the Red Heart Guard
>CapCon fucks up the MoC's BugMech army in retaliation

flawless plan

>>50930283
Considering that you'd have to start counting all the different ECM systems between different mechs and imagining each bubble, that would certainly slow an IRL game down.

Especially since for a piece of equipment that plays rock to C3's Scissors, it doesn't do a whole hell of a lot elsewhere. Nixing the advantages of Artemis and NARC and rendering them vanilla missiles isn't a whole lot to write home about.

Checking a box in megamek is one thing, but I've learned from... unfortunate first hand experience... that none of those special TacOps rules exist with BV modifiers, and many favour one style of play over another.

I like the technology, I like the idea of weather conditions and new terrain... but the next time a CHH player demands to have vehicle effectiveness rules I'm telling him where he can stuff his fucking Eponas.

>>50930381
At least it's not Clan ERPPCs! [/spoilers]

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>>50930530
>mary sue as fuck ~2.5 regiment strong merc company
>not having enough plot armor to easily take the Forbidden City

>>50930595
Nah, I'd get shafted by 0/0 Death Commandos. Or shot down by pocket warships before even reaching atmo.

>>50929937
How many mechs are there with both c3 and ecm? From what I can tell most of those models have c3i or boosted c3 rather than standard c3, and the ones that do don't seem to show up into well into the jihad.

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>>50930595
I've got these guys and a Texas. I think Sian is FUCKED.

>>50930645
Very, very, VERY few. C3i is even worse about it, so most of my WoB designs have at least 2 or 3 ECMs per L2.

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>>50930595
>implying anyone can outdo the plot armour of the Capellan Confederation
All I have to do is say "Guerrero"

>>50914330
You can always check 8/12/8 mechs in the megamek.

Owens is great 8/12 light, but no jumpjets variant exists.

>>50930437
>...who cares if it's tacops. What does that have to do with anything?
Tournament Legal is the standard. That's the point where you should expect to start from.
From there, adding rules is fine, but they're stuff that both you and the other party have to agree on.
>ECCM should probably be standard.
I'm not saying that it's good or bad, but I'm saying that it isn't. Planning your armies around an extra rule you have to beg your opposition for permission to use, that probably benefits you primarily? I get enough shit from the players who still won't acknowledge C3 as tech from before tukayyid, because it didn't come stock in a TRO 3050 design. Bringing a second rulebook into things is just testing your luck... and maybe the structural integrity of the backpack I'm using to already lug 300-page binders filled with record sheets, maps, Total Warfare, dice, so on and forth.

>>50930662
You finally managed to put aside enough cash for the Texas?

>>50930716
Yeah, I wiped out a Clan Wolf unit and got paid 1.2 billion for it.

>>50930635
>trying to take the cap con capital
>not rendering it uninhabitable from orbit
blake, please

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>>50930675
>All I have to do is say "Guerrero"
Somebody needs to make a version of this meme with that punchline

>>50930689
>check 8/12/8 mechs in the megamek
Uhh, how do I do that?

>>50930732
can't kill roaches

>>50915975
I exclusively play offline, painted minis are a big deal for me. From the new releases I will be getting the Bakeneko and a Vandal mech maybe. Both of those look very nice. I also like the "not so new but still fresh" Chimera, Pendragon, Thunder Fox and Artic Wolf II.

>>50930731
I see. Finally finished murdering the whole of the jade falcon touman and moved on to the wolves?

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>Of the military forces of the Nova Cats, there is little to say. None of them survived. The regiments of the DCMS were ruthless in tracking down every last Star and Point and showing no mercy to the defeated warriors. The sole cluster that managed to escape the Combine’s retribution made the mistake of crossing the border into the Rasalhague Dominion. Hailing the garrison at Rubigen, Star Colonel Yusuf Rosse requested asylum for his demoralized and exhausted warriors. Rather than answer them, the Bears mercilessly destroyed the incoming DropShips, and followed that up by seizing the Cats’ JumpShip and spacing the crew.

ha ha ha, edge indeed

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>>50930830
>The Nova Cat civilians fared a little better than the warriors. At least they got to keep their lives. With no one to protect them, the civilian castes were rounded up and subjected to forced sterilization before being scattered across the Combine as members of the Unproductive class. Many committed suicide rather than face such a fate. Men, women, and children alike suffered at the hands of the DCMS and the people of the Combine—to their eternal shame—permitted and even encouraged it. The Coordinator never once spoke out against such treatment. In a few short decades, there will likely be no one left who can claim to have once been a proud Nova Cat.

Nice visions, Severen.

>>50930645
I think you can pull this off pretty well by using Megamek. While choosing units, choose the usual dropdown menus, but do the "Advanced search", and plug in the equipment you're looking for in the bottom.

>>50930830

Where the hell is that from?

>>50930645
I never said the ECM units had to also be C3. If you're playing a game at enough BS for an entire company, much less a C3 company, you can afford some quick light/medium ECM platforms.

>>50930708
This is probably my own personal experiences coming into it, you're right. I tend to play with friends, and we usually play with ECCM as standard. I'm not used to pickup games with people I don't know where I'd need to "get permission" as it were.

>>50930732
I'm not mary sue enough to have warships, if only because no one would ever sell a warship to mercs rather than lacking the cash for it.

>>50930796
I started on the Falcons from 3050 to 3053, destroying 11 Galaxies, next had a brief stint with the DC stomping on Da Bears, where I killed the equivalent of 5 Galaxies, then the FC taking out the Vipers from 3055 to 3057, destroying 7 Galaxies, and I just finished Wolf contract 1, where I wiped out 4 galaxies of second line Wolves, and now I'm attacking Tamar.

>>50930865
D A R K A G E
A
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K
A
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welcome to the grim darkness of the 32nd century

>>50930865
Era Report 3145

>>50930830
>>50930851
Someone call me a doctor, I've cut myself on all that edge.

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>>50930830
>>50930851
>dark age

>>50925478
Not so great when compared to other assault BA's. Firepower is not so great. Added speed doesn't change that much when you still need some battle taxi to move around battlefield.
Armor is good to withstand one or two artillery shells but it will still melt when bathed in inferno gel. Overall it seems like a very specialised unit, too specific for my taste.

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>>50930931
>>50930963
I used to not really be a Nova Cat fan but I don't see why they had to be so utterly fucked by the Bears in the end.

Did Ben Rome really hate them so much for what they did?

>>50931058

Yes

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>>50931058

>>50931189
>they live in a gifted world
>said by a ghost bears player about a clan that got basically not attention throughout most of the franchises' existence except as the DC's pet

How deliciously rich.

>>50931189
>we

He needed to stop there.

Also is the (You) thing gone now? Just noticed it's not doing that for me anymore.

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>>50931189
wtf I'm a #novacatmissile now

>>50931235
>Also is the (You) thing gone now? Just noticed it's not doing that for me anymore.
Yeah. The post number is just underlined now

>>50931058
>I don't see why they had to be so utterly fucked by the Bears in the end

The dark age, sibkin. Besides, it's impossible for BT to be shades of grey. The Dracs have to be all war crimes all the time - killing the Nova Cats, troops configuring omnis for maximum collateral damage, having the Kokuryu-kai in control etc. and why Teddy C3 first loses his wife and then his life and Ho-K goes the same way. That's why the Regulan Hussars go 120% nuclear and bomb Gibson and a number of other planets to lifeless rocks. It's why the FCCW couldn't be anything else than Katherine Hitler-Davion vs St Victor of the House of D. Da capo ad infinitum.

After all the C3 company talk from earlier, I took a crack at making one.

Lance I (assault/heavy)
-Naginata C3B
-Hatamoto C
-Daikyu 03
-Ninjato 3
Lance II (medium)
-Daimyo 5K
-Komodo 2C
-Crab C
-Kintaro C
Lance III (light)
-Komodo 3C
-Hitman 2
-Venom C
-Owens E

Everything links into the C3 network, and each lance has at least one ECM equipped mech to keep the network running. I don't know what the BV total is though (I'd guess probably 25-30k?)

What's everyone's favorite TRO? Your least favorite?

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>tfw you finally get the BT name you want for your nationstate
https://www.nationstates.net/nation=marik

>>50932436
Favorite is a toss-up between 3085 and the original 3025. Least favorite is definately 3025r

>>50930882
Jesus fucking Christ. What are you doing for an encore, conquering the FedCom?

>>50932610
I'm on retainer for them currently. If I get super antsy, I guess I could invade Tharkad 10 years early and end the civil war. If only AtB let you do that.

>>50932610
I bet he takes his new battleship and blows up the rest of the bears

>>50931189
Man Jellico is responsible for a lot of bad shit. How can we trigger him to death?

>>50932610
I bet he takes out the entirety of the MAF in a month or so

>>50932658
So when are you going to build your own nation-state in the periphery?

>>50930893
>>50930963
I love when people blame DA when there is similar stupidity in every era, such as 3025 Kurita and 3025-3060s Liao

>>50932679
not like that'd be hard at any point prior to the Liao Space Magic

>making dark age force
>want to try one of the IS/Clan hybrid states
>can't decide between ravens and dominion
what do you think /btg/? should I go birb alliance or bear swedes?

>>50932436
Favorite is 3085, hands down. Least favorite is probably 3055

>>50932728
Clan Protectorate

>>50932728
Escorpión Imperio, duh.

>>50932679
Considering I already trashed up some shitty Capellan planet named Capella, probably.

>>50932681
Assuming the Chaos March goes off, I plan to capture most of the border worlds surrounding Terra and taking over the old Hegemony, plus Terra if I can get away with it. But again, AtB doesn't support going off the rails like that. Otherwise the Clans would BTFO from the IS. And Atleast Itsnot would be IlKhan.

>>50929937

The current cost for a C3 Company would allow you to upgrade your entire force from 4/5 to 1/5.

And C3 lets you see the enemy at medium range most of the time since you need to stay out of short/medium range against the big guns while also avoiding ECM fields.

And the whole network can be negated simply by killing the spotter(s) or the 'Mech with the company-level Master. Or just get ECM'ed or have their C3 system damaged for the same effect.

Or you can upgrade your entire force to be hitting more often on average since its effective gunnery is beating the typical medium range by 2 points and you don't have to worry about any kind of network disruption.

Go on. Tell me how C3's value is totally fair again.

>>50929856

I've thought 10% for a Lance, 20% for two Lances, and 30% for three Lances would be about right for a while.

>>50930645

Almost none until the Jihad, and then some of the captured Blake 'Mechs are meant to have had their C3i replaced with a normal C3 Slave and an ECM Suite by Coalition forces. Don't know how many of those actually got RSes though and since ypu can't fit the Slave and ECM Suite into the C3i slots this is an issue for canon-only groups.

>>50931813

24,158 according to MegaMek.

Or literally 5 Devastators with 2/3 pilots.

Guess which force will assrape the other with unsurpassed brutality.

>>50932807
>24,158 according to MegaMek.
>Or literally 5 Devastators with 2/3 pilots.
>Guess which force will assrape the other with unsurpassed brutality.

fite me irl and find out

Or just do it in MM

>>50932807
>Or literally 5 Devastators with 2/3 pilots.
>Guess which force will assrape the other with unsurpassed brutality.

The c3 company, easy. 10 gauss rifles and ppcs are nice, sure, but the company has far greater overall firepower and, more importantly, armor and IS. The whole "being C3" means that the gunnery advantage isn't nearly as useful as normal, and they have no ECM.

It's like saying that a Level II of Manei Domini 2/3 pilots would clearly win against equal BV of normal forces, only at least the Level II would also have C3 to work with. Devastators are going to get fucked one by one. It's the same problem as IS vs Clans, you might have better gunnery and piloting but that doesn't make you able to survive more hits.

Unless you meant the C3 company, in which case yes. It will win easily. Especially once the light/medium assets get inside the Dev's minimum range, and forming kicking circles.

>>50932807
>Guess which force will assrape the other with unsurpassed brutality
As someone inexperienced with BT, you make it sound like it comes down to "whoever has the most assault mechs wins". Is that actually how the game works? You would think having a near 3:1 numbers advantage would make things at least equal.

>>50932919
>MD

Are the most overpriced thing in the entire game by a wide margin, so that's not much of an argument.

>>50932959
It's a 2.4 margin.

>>50932987
>ignoring everything else in the argument

Nice.

>>50932959
It's not.

>>50933030
hey man, I'm just a passing commenter

>>50933044
A passing commenter using a logical fallacy and not actually providing any useful insight into the discussion. And now attempting to minimize as well. Again, nice.

>>50932833
>>50932919

Given the number of light-weight, low-armoured units on the Drac side and how many others have SHS or MRMs I wouldn't be so sure.

Over half the Drac force can be crippled or killed with one turn of fire from a Devastator, and since they'll be stationary they won't be missing much.

In terms of firepower the Dracs have 340 to the Devastator's 320, but the useful firepower outside of 10 hexes is 250 to to a bit over half that, and some of those Drac machines are using SHS so can't spam that firepower every turn whereas the Devastators can.

The Drac force only stands a real chance if the map is kind enough to provide many, many LOS-blocking approach avenues to allow them to play that way. Most mapsheets have wide enough firing lanes that the Devastators will be able to really fuck some shit up.

10 GRs and 10 PPCs starting at 2s is a lot better than the Drac grab-bag right off the bat.

>>50932669

I have no idea. It is funny to watch him talk down his Leviathan II/III and Aesir/Vanir combo and/or the individual components though.

"Oh, they aren't /really/ all that bad. Trust me, I built them and I know a lot about Aero stuff."

People go along with him on it because they don't know much about Aero stuff or because he has a Beemer.

>>50932959

Well, in this case it's "five 'Mechs that are amongst the most optimised in the game" against "twelve that range in quality from acceptable to outright shit."

That the five are assaults is mostly incidental.

I could have proposed eight 3/5 Falconers, or eight 2/5 Warlords, or 18 Wraiths, or whatever.

The basic point is that the Drac force is ridiculously over-valued.

>>50914330
Ostscout.

>>50932443
Wew

Is there a /btg/ project to compile a list of all of the good/optimized mechs? It would be a big undertaking (especially since it would probably have to be broken down into seperate eras), but if/when it's completed it seems like it would be a really useful resource to have, especially for newer players.

>>50934471
Muninn has a spreadsheet he shared a few years ago

Woohoo...just got a post Christmas purchase package in. I found some CBT minis on sale online and picked up a lance worth. Three Urbies and a Clan Crossbow Omni. Quite pleased.

>>50934520
Does anyone have a link to it?

I remember seeing a website that produced sculpts based on the MWO designs. Does anyone know its name?

>>50935339
Warhansa

>>50935354
Thanks!

>>50935354
>take a quick look out of interest
>those names

Holy shit, I know it's kind of a given but these are cracking me up.

"Jumbo Shrimp", are you kidding me?

>>50929459
>>50929595

Pillager is a favorite of mine.

>>50931813
Personal experience?

>Light Lance
The Komodo looks good on paper, but I've had nothing but bad luck with it. It's also a bit slower than your other light mechs. Myself, I use a Daimyo 5K as the C3M for my light lance, but you might be better off using the Bishamon 4K for the role. It'll keep up a little better.

>Medium Lance
In 3025, the Crab was a beast... modern refits of it though... just don't cut it in a C3 network. The C3 removes the Medium Laser. I love the look of the good old Crab, and it served me well in MW2 Mercs, but tabletop leaves me wanting. A Firestarter-O or a Wolverine config may do you better, or even taking one of the scootier mechs from Lance I and bringing it down here. The Daikyu 03 would fit perfectly in this lance, and so would your Ninja-to. Both are a bit quick for your Assault lance.

>Assault/Heavy
Rule #1 for a C3 Company: Never use a mech with two C3 Masters. Rule #2: NEVER USE A MECH WITH TWO C3 MASTERS. The Naginata is a tough mech to use. It begs the opponent to flank, and when it gets there, it's mostly helpless. Also, many players stick it as the MC for the whole company Switch the 3B to the 3A and you'll be fine. Better yet, swap places with the Hatamoto. As for the Hatamoto, it's a product of it's time, and it's from the time before DHS. I also set one up to be my company commander (HTM-CM), but having something with MPL for in case something small starts flanking is a good idea. One mech I can't suggest enough is the Shugenja. Ugly as sin, but not only can it reach out and dissipate heat, but if something flanks, its' not helpless.
To fill it out, slightly more mobile, but not too much so. Your close-in firepower is already substantial with the lights. You can also save a few BV by taking intentionally lighter mechs to fill roles here, like Panthers, . A Beefier Hatamoto series are the 28s, but you might be better with the Thug-12K. Maybe something with HPPCs.

>>50931420
What happened to Teddy C3's wife? I never quite knew. Was it in a novel?

Teddy C3 died from an aneurism right?

>>50936378
Heir to the Dragon tells all about her. It's a good read.

Did they just add the Jan. 15th 2017 cut off date for the battletech gear?
Because I don't think anything will be funded by then.

>>50933939
What? Do you play nationstates?

>watch a JAV
>want to play Draconis Combine

This happen to anyone else?

>>50935641
Thanks for the feedback, I adjusted the company like this:

Light Lance: Bishamon 4K, Hitman 2, Venom C, Owens E
Medium Lance: Daimyo 5K, Kintaro C, Daikyu 03, Ninjato 3
Heavy/Assault Lance: Shugenja, Naginata C3A, Hatamoto 28T, Catapult K4

>NEVER USE A MECH WITH TWO C3 MASTERS
I do want to have everything linked up, but at the same time it's hard to say no to 40% cheaper mechs.

My only issue is that I don't have as much ECM coverage (I was using the komodos for ECCM as much as anything else, and one of the things I like about the C3B is that it comes with guardian in addition to everything else so I don't have to worry about losing the entire network from a cheeky light), though I guess you could argue that that's less of an issue now that the networks have been decentralized.

>>50936785
I get the urge to play periphery every time I watch a western, which isn't quite the same thing

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>>50936785
... Sometimes.
Although I wonder if some chicks have been eating at the Davion roast beef table for a while. Gif totally related.

>>50936842
Who finds this attractive

>>50936796

>I do want to have everything linked up, but at the same time it's hard to say no to 40% cheaper mechs.

You can have two C3 Masters in one Lance on seperate 'Mechs. One handles the C3 of that Lance, the other connects the C3 of the company.

It's slightly less vulnerable in that you can end up with three lance-level C3s still mostly functional if the company master goes down but is still vulnerable to the company-level master being taken out along with all the usual C3 issues.

Honestly, don't bother with any level of C3 beyond maybe the Lance level, and that only on sufferance. What you get isn't worth what you pay for.

>>50936842
Post more Dracs

>>50936867
>>50936842
I did till I actually saw her naked. Her breasts are shaped very oddly. They look big from the front but don't stick out that far? Yet they also don't look "saggy"? It's almost uncanny valley. Just strange.

Anyway, I don't really get the urge to play factions or anything from media I see. I get them from random ideas I have, since I'm my group's main GM, for the most part, and that switch is rarely turned off. So I get floods of ideas/inspiration at odd times, and sometimes, it's "you know, I never really cared about playing X faction, but I just realized Y would be neat, so maybe I should put together a company of them". That kind of thing.

So we know the Long Tom and similar artillery pieces have a "map" range. Is there a range in m/km/etc. that these are listed in? Maps can be variable in size, so I was wondering if there was a more official range listing.

>>50938415
It's in standard mapsheets, bud

>>50938415

A standard BattleTech mapsheet is always 17 hexes long by 15 hexes wide (plus the half-hex "16th" hex column when you lay maps side by side). At 30 meters per hex, that gives a mapsheet a maximum distance of 510 meters, or close enough to a half-kilometer to not worry about it. Assume that for every 2 mapsheets of distance, you've covered 1 kilometer and call it square.

Incidentally, this also explains while ranges are ludicrously short. Consider giving autocannons a maximum effective range of 3,000 meters (the M1A1 Abrams has a 3,500 km range). This would mean that you need a play area of at *least* 12 total mapsheets to actually be out of range at some point during the game and to have maneuvering room. And not only do very few BattleTech players have an 8 foot x 6 foot table space, but even fewer can reach across across the table to move their minis.

>>50938583
>the M1A1 Abrams has a 3,500 km range
this machine kills satellites

>>50938583
>the M1A1 Abrams has a 3,500 km range
And we're worried about Russian and Chinese bullshit why exactly?

>>50938583
>not having a croupier
Do you even classical wargaming? That's what the rest of the table is for, pushing minis around at your direction.

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>>50938583

>but even fewer can reach across across the table to move their minis
>[shorttech intensifies]

>>50938704
>>50938670
>>50938583
We BOLO now

>>50939765
Yes, we are
https://m.fanfiction.net/s/8705775/1/Bolotech-Pillar-of-Steel

>>50938718
What do they call that stick you see people moving shit around with on maps in WW2 movies?

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>>50937449
How about the same Drac?
>>50937512
This. There is a video of her under Miri Sendou. The video was... strange and disappointing where she decided to be topless for the first time. I can't really recommend it if you're a fan of a nice heavy front torso armor Drac.

>>50940177
A Croupier stick, actually. Living in Vegas was an interesting time.

>>50940177
Here's hoping we get a holographic BT table like the one in one of the GDL books (the one Grayson and Jaime Wolf replay the historically suspect Battle of Gettysburg on).

Incidentally, that was the funniest piece of Civil War wankery I can remember from BT. I loved the bit about historians being divided on the topic of tourist shops and that observation tower at Gettysburg.

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>>50940245
I should've figured.

Did anyone ever try a 25 Jenner versus 2-8 Atlas scenario yet?

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>>50939259

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>>50940228
One last one before the Coordinator begins contemplating putting a McDonald's on every street corner of the Combine.

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>>50942359
>a McDonald's

Surely you mean an Arby's.

>>50942393
>Surely you mean an Arby's.
Totally my bad. I was thinking of that old motivational with I believe the same Isshiki Miyabi and a joke about how they need more McDonald's in Japan.
I don't think Isshiki would fit in a mechwarrior's cooling vest anyhow. Maybe she can ride in the back topless to deal with the heat.

>>50942512
If they have cooling vests able to get around some of those senior Lyran officers, I'm sure they can accommodate the particularly busty.

>>50942653
>those senior Lyran officers
Jog my memory. Where in the fluff is that line about some officer that was so obese that although he was piloting an Atlas, they joked that the actuators were straining under his weight?

>>50937512
Yeah, that's what she gets for not having cyborg tits.

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>>50942682
Not that anon, but here's exhibit A. Nothing says "I got my rank through money and/or connections" like chubbiness and cavalry whiskers.

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>>50942682
I checked. It's in the original 3025 TRO and the guy was actually a Kurita fatty, if you can believe that.

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>>50942911
They're piloting big stompy robots.
Who cares if they're fit or not?
Unless the actuators really are straining.

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>>50942964
>Theodore meeting his father and the big guns of the Combine
>"Honoured Father, assembled august personages, I present a cure for our nation's flatness: we will allow Triple F to open restaurants in the Combine, first in the Dieron District. General Cherenkoff, unfortunately you will not be allowed inside until you pass the Annual Fitness Test."

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Does this work for a company command mech?

Also is a fully C3d company of quad mechs viable or do i need some bipeds?

>>50942970
You need to have quite a bit of endurance and strength in order to manage longer than half an hour in the cockpit. Especially when the mech turns into a sauna.

Not to mention most cockpits are a bit cramped, and an obese monster like mister fedoratipper with the whiskers there wouldn't be able to climb out of the emergency access hatch. So a slimmer profile and dexterity is also required.

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>>50943531

>Does this work for a company command mech?

Meh. It's tolerable compared to some canon designs and looks to have been cribbed from the Tempest. I would seriously swap the LXPL for an ER PPC though.

Honestly I prefer the normal Naginata for heading a C3 Company. If I was designing a C3 Master machine from the ground up though it would basically be a tweaked Nightstar. Having long-range firepower is one of the easiest ways to keep enemy machines off their ass because it means they hang back to take advantage of it by default.

So far as company-level C3 goes, we've been saying all thread that it's not worth it no matter what. Sticking it on Quads isn't going to change that any.

Quads aren't that bad once you get used to the quirks of using them but C3's not going to do much for you there because that's all about positioning to make sure you have your limited torso arcs on the enemy and hiding in partial cover as much as possible.

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>>50943588
DONEGAL FOREVA!

>>50940376
That was pretty damned hilarious.

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What are some planets with strong African influences or populations? I want to do an African themed merc command.

I remember there must be some in the Lyran state, since one of their folk heroes, Angela Franks (iirc) was described as African.

>>50944246
Hot Springs in the LC/JFOZ, and the Coventry Province is mentioned as having a significant African population.

Also, there's Rubigen in the DC/FRR.

>>50944246
Not to mention all the other not-even-an-ounce-of-fluff worlds all over the inner sphere.

Also worth mentioning is the Azami worlds of the Draconis Combine, though that's north africa, specifically. Morocco, Algeria, Egypt, etc...

>>50944246
You have me wondering how many characters in BattleTech have actually even been described as black. Most seem to be White or East Asian, with a smattering of Mexicans and Middle Easterners.

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>>50944880
Well, Tetsuhara-sama for starters. Other than him, Mike Pondsmith's cameo character in that warfare infodump (not surprising, since the RL Mike's black), Kyalla Centrella and her children, Khan Barbara Sennet of the Diamond Ravens, Khan Lincoln Osis, that Colonel of the 12th Star Guards who looks like Simon from Demolition Man and Valten Ryder of the First Somerset Strikers. I'm certain I've missed some.

>>50944880
Oh, and VSD's Elemental bodyguard (Tieret?)

>>50944991
Derp, Diamond Ravens? My brain thought Sharks but my fingers typed Ravens.

>>50945027
Tiaret. Yep.

>>50945027
That reminds me how in one of the Jihad Hot Spots they randomly mention that Devlin Stone also had a Mexican elemental bodyguard named Paco or Jose or something too. Felt so forced and silly.

>>50944991
Man Mountain from the 'lleros books, and I feel like maybe a few more in that series too that I'm forgetting.

The Combine's mech production seems historically pretty poor in options. Did they compensate for this by high production rates? Is anything like this ever mentioned?
Or did they just stay on the offensive a lot and take a lot of Suns and Lyran salvage to keep the DCMS running?

Given their dependence on mechs like the Panther, Dragon, Quickdraw, and Charger I find it difficult to see how they survived the 2nd and 3rd Succession Wars.

What are the chances of a Fed Sun Merc being rewarded with the Davion Knighthood?

>>50945857
Panthers are actually ok for their bv value pre 3025, and a whole company will only cost 30 mil. They also get things like jenners, pixies, wolverines, and atlases.

That said, it seems like they intentionally made the Combine mechs garbage for shits and giggles.

As well as Kuritan doctrine involving things like suicide charges and no retreat, it strains credulity that they weren't done in by their neighbors.

>>50945857
Well, when the most common lights everywhere else are bugs, the panther is actually a good deal. And yeah, it's partially on them producing panthers and dragons by the score all 24/7, and partially on their average pilot being a fair deal better than all their neighbors'

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>>50945731
I also think the Caballeros had a few more black characters. Also, the 1st Somerset Strikers had Dr Nakamura, who seems to be black and Japanese.

>>50945857
Charger is literally a joke mech, and the quickdraw is more dangerous to the rear than the front, but the dragon really takes the cake.

Supposed to be given as a reward for only the most honorable of warriors to represent the Coordinator, it seems more applicable as a punishment considering how incredibly lackluster it is for a heavy. Boggles the mind.

>>50944880
The Brewster family that runs Defiance and Hesperus have several black members, including Daniel Brewster, one time CEO of DefHes and member of the GDL.

>>50946836
>dragon really takes the cake
>literally half the reason I was attracted to Dracs
Are there at least any good variants? and what about the grand dragon and/or dragon ii?

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>>50946836
Considering how easy it would have been to make the Dragon to, well, not suck, it's amazing they put out such a mediocre mech.

>>50946940
The Grand Dragon is OK, but it needs to have the butt guns turned forward. You're a samurai, you're supposed to be facing the enemy.

>>50946834
That "Risky" Savage girl I think was too.

>>50946940
The 3025 grand dragon was actually pretty decent, especially if you flip the ass guns forward

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>>50946980
I'm a big fan of these two, which are also simple remakes.

>>50947059
Wait, the DRG-1G or DRG-5K?

>>50945857
>take a lot of Suns and Lyran salvage

They did take salvage from both, but the DCMS mindset was to put the 'Mechs associated with them into the units low on the honour totem pole. Thus the likes of Enforcers, Valkyries, Victors (even after they took the factory on Quentin in 3039) went to units like the Ghosts and the Legions of Vega, who I assume happily painted irezumi dragons and Takashi rats on them.

>>50947242
Not him, but the -1G. The -5K is from TRO 3050.

>>50946002

10/10 Mary Sue

>>50946002
If they're actually from the FS and a minor noble, it's not impossible. It's up to the GM, of course.

>>50912867
>>50912887
Is it true that there is deep-seated antipathy to Furries in the Battletech community? Is it true that this stems from the Eridani Light Horse debacle?

>>50947457
yes, but that's more because fucking everyone hates furries

>>50947457
>Is it true that there is deep-seated antipathy to Furries in the Battletech community?
Not really? there was some joke art, but I would say that the battletech community has about the same level of annoyance about fetish insertation as everyone else, furries being just one example.
>Is it true that this stems from the Eridani Light Horse debacle?
Nah, we certainly make extensive fun of malcomson directly, but that's mostly it

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>>50947457

People just don't like furries, and for good reason.

>>50946940
The 5Nr of the original Dragon variety isnt a terrible trooper...at least it has enough ammo allowance for both weapons to allow you ammo choices. Still need to turn that butt laser around though. Its not terrible but its not great either...especially since its a refit for decidedly second line machines in the Jihad era.

>>50946980
>that pic
New to the tabletop game. What am I looking at there with regards to the difference? What's up with the heat sinks? Sorry if it's a dumb newb question.

>>50947550
I'd appreciate the victor more if only it didn't feel kinda undergunned
Also there's no LBX 20 version

>>50947692
The one on the right (the one with the AC/10) has a bigger gun than on the common-or-garden -1N (the AC/5 is seriously anaemic), drops the LRM launcher to a smaller size, and all medium lasers now face forward.

The one on the left also drops the AC/5 pop gun and replaces it with a decent gun, in this case the PPC. It has 2 more heat sinks so it can run and fire the PPC without gaining heat. Standing still, it can fire both the PPC and the LRM and only gain a little heat.

Most of the problems with the Dragon come from the fact that it is so undergunned for a 60-ton mech. Sure, it goes like a medium but it also can't do much damage to the enemies it catches. It needs bigger guns, thus bigger guns have been provided.

>>50947457
If I could afford Shimmering Sword or Matt Plog to draw me my Trebuchet with 8 MLs and 8 Flamers torching a furry get together, I would gladly pay for it. I'd ask for a Firestarter or two in that pic as well. Maybe a Vulcan for a final addition to the anti-furry lance.

>>50947879
>Trebuchet
>no S/LRM (with inferno ammo)

feels like a waste for a missileboat chassis
also swap one of the Firestarters for my favorite shitmech, the Withworth (a WTH-0 for maximum warcrimes)

>>50948027
>one of the Firestarters

Didn't one of the TROs have some merc unit who specialised in using Firestarters and burning everything, from "we need a smoke screen, let's torch that Trees For Peace Park" to "I want to light my cigar, I'll just fire up that orphanage"?

>>50948027
>inferno ammo
I totally forgot. I just figured there might be a lot of furries, and you might be away from supply lines for a while... you get the point. Maybe I could make another mech furry / infantry killer later.

>>50948027
What the hell does an inferno round do to a person anyway? I remember reading something in the Crescent Hawk's Inception about it being horrible, but I don't know.

>>50948180
It's basically a napalm round.

>>50944880
Wasn't the one woman who ran the ELH shortly after 3050 described as being dark-skinned?

>>50948214
Oh yeah, General Ariana Winston.

>>50948186
Does that basically burn people to death? I didn't grow up during the Vietnam war.

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>>50948234
I still can't believe she led Task Force Serpent and died in its service in combat in her fucking mech like a boss, and they named the 1st SLDF BattleMech Regiment after goddamn Morgan Hasek-Davion.

>>50948274
It's a thick, sticky liquid - kinda like jelly - that clings to whatever it touches and burns.

>>50948300
So it's like dying to a flame gelatinous cube. Ouch.

Are LRMs still broken in MWO?

>>50948274
>Does that basically burn people to death

It does, as well as burn everything flammable. It also sticks to every surface, so you can't get it off that easily. Just about the only incendiary nastier than napalm is white phosphorus.

>>50947550
Furries are a scapegoat. Every fandom and movement has its loudmouthed shitheels and it's easier/more acceptable to hate people with fringe and unusual kinks.

Yes it's annoying when they constantly make themselves known, ie furry clans in games and act like idiots in chat, but whatever - chances are they're young and just acting like young people do; ie idiots.

They'll grow out of it eventually. Just think of all the dumb shit you'd be doing on the internets if you were 17-19 right now instead of a grizzled old grognard who had to trade the same artifact-riddled jpeg of Natasha on a BBS.

>>50948556
>Furries are a scapegoat.
Apologist leave.
There are things such as being completely wrong in everything you do. Flame the bastards.

>>50948297
Never mind the stupid Winston Combat Vehicle being named after Churchill. Why the fuck did they use his last name anyway?

>>50948861
Psst. It's named after the Ghostbuster WInston Zedemore.

Hell with it.
New thread.
>>50948903

>>50947879
Plog is no furry hater, that I know...

>>50948297

You're implying that a non-Suns character could possibly be as important as a Suns character.

Seriously though the 1st Royals were formed around the Kathil Uhlans. It's not that surprising they went with a name that honoured the guy who founded their regiment.

>>50949278
But does Plog like money?

And besides, art of battlemechs killing sterotypical furry fans is practically a tradition at this point, posted with little regard to its actual intent.

>>50949326
>Seriously though the 1st Royals were formed around the Kathil Uhlans. It's not that surprising they went with a name that honoured the guy who founded their regiment.

It was just Redburn that made the call. The 1st (not even Royal, that's a Terran Hegemony thing) was made up of veterans from all the Serpent commands but the ComGuard and perhaps tellingly the ELH.

I don't usually go with "Suns bias" on things, but this is definitely one of them. Ariana Winston was a great character and having served in my nation's army myself I feel in a similar situation I, and others I served with, would be more willing to honor the field commander who bled alongside us than the honorary CO who hadn't led the unit in decades.

>>50948321
what was wrong with them?

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>>50944991
I just read the first battletech novels he appeared in. That dude was so BASED.
>Most honoranble
>Most loyal

>Nicknamed motherfucking Iron man by everyone

>Never lost his temper or acted unjustly
>Always polite
>Acutally killed an assasin with his jap bow and arrow

>His aide became the motherfucking bounty hunter and later beheaded a Warlord
>His seppuku enraged Jaime Wolf so much he swore a blood feud between his unit and the Coordinator
>Such an exemplary samurai, he easily out-samurai'd nobleborn bushi with jap ancestry

>All of his sons become exemplary mechwarriors and officers
>Got Warlord Cherenkov so mad he started bullshit petty revenge and lost both his temper and (later) head
>The coordinator his son Theodore both respected him and his seppuku was against what they wanted
>The Ryuken unit he establisehd was so good they almost destroyed their former mentors

Best samura ever.

>>50939961
After getting over the "AI in my BT? REEEEEE" moment, this wasn't bad.