/btg/ Battletech General!

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>>50948903
PART TWO!: -

Field Manual Comstar.PDF
http://www.mediafire.com/file/ja3z2n1goe12623/Field_Manual_Comstar.PDF
8604 - The Spider and the Wolf
https://www.mediafire.com/?3d9brfrkj9vnhka
Aerotech 2 - Revised
http://www.mediafire.com/file/ivqhzog2wyoegxo/Battletech_35011_-_Aerotech_2_Revised.pdf

hexpacks 2&3:
Battletech Hexpacks
http://www.mediafire.com/file/3o59kirzzz6znac/BattleTech_Hexpacks.7z
also introbox stuff:
http://www.mediafire.com/file/l22yrlkk9buzuzl/BattleTech_Intro_Box_Set.7z

Historical War of 3039
https://www.scribd.com/doc/23569748/35014-Historical-War-of-3039

Mechwarrior 5: Mercenaries is coming, set during the Third Succession War.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gz8Y1V8gy1A&feature=youtu.be

Heavy Metal Archive (OLD)
http://www.mediafire.com/file/8so68gbw3yga4cb/2016-12-11_HeavyMetal-Archive-OLD.rar

Fan made TRO 3063:
battletechreader.blogspot.com/2012/09/the-fan-made-technical-readout-3063.html
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/8o30486fony5f/Fan_TRO_3063

... also Butte Hold

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I like some of this guy's art.

>>50949734
Reminds me of what happened to one of the character's XO that drove a War Dog in Star Lord. Failed piloting roll indeed.

>>50946980
>You're a samurai, you're supposed to be facing the enemy.

But those dishonorable gaijin will try to stab you in the back

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You have 10 seconds to be as Rasalhagian as you can

https://youtu.be/KvtT3UyhibQ

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>>50950079

>try

Only once, anon.

Only once.

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>>50949454

>not even Royal

O RLY?

Same page also says most of the unit came from the Kathil Uhlans.

>>50950231

>Oh yeah Sven, give me that BBC*

*Big Bear Cock.

>>50950419
Royal units were ones from the Terran Hegemony. To claim the "Royal" title for the regiment while attempting to build a new SLDF was shit-tier presumption and historical ignorance on their part in-universe.
How many were former Kathil Uhlans is also irrelevant to my post.

>>50948326
Gods, WP is way nastier than napalm, no kiddin'. It burrows into your skin and particulates of it burn, rather than being a sticky jelly that burns without an ability to be extinguished easily. Worse still, it can re-light itself.

I'm surprised no one's done anything like it again in the BT-verse.

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>>50950469
The older BT novels mentioned the inferno rounds as a terror weapon that every mech pilot is afraid of. On trell a dude even forces an overheated locust into surrendering by threatening the pilot with overheat burn death.

They are also never carried on mechs because they are too unstable. Always used by infantry as SRM MANPADs.

However, large scale white phospor bombs or LRMs loaded with WP sound like something the Combine and the Capellans would use. War crimes and atrocities all day, every day.

So why are there no LRM carriers with that ammo? And why do infantry units always use SRM instead of LRM? Wouldnt the LRM with inferno warheads be superior? They could hit the mechs with very effective weapons while most mechs would be unable to counter the infantry effectively. Especially the anti infantry mechs like Firestarters or Commandos. Simple tripods with LRM infernos like modern Javelin launchers or, hell, RPG-7 with added guidance system. BAM instant and effective anti-mech weapon.

Someone please explain to me why this isn't done more often in the battletech universe.

>Pic related is the infantry squad leader before giving the order to fire 10 inferno LRM from a concealed position

>>50950648
Pretty sure they do in the Dark Age and on.
Prior to that, it was the future of the space '80's.

>>50950648
Yeah, that's Grayson Carlyle in Decision at Thunder Rift IIRC. It's mentioned in Mercenary's Star.

The main advantage of WP over napalm/inferno is that it's air-burstable, giving it a much wider coverage area. You could get an LRM-20 and do indirect fire with it very easily, and to be honest with that kind of coverage and with air-bursting you'd see it hit not only your target hex but adjacent hexes too. You could even combine that with infantry and 'mech mortars, too, like how you see it delivered by infantry forces nowadays.

>>50950648

SRMs trade range for a larger warhead. LRMs do the opposite.

There are Incendiary LRMs which are basically Infernos, it's just that they can't cram in enough burny shit to do anything other than set stuff on fire, where Infernos do that and drastically increase heat.

>>50950462

>gets proven wrong
>well canon is irrelevant and they should never have said that so I'm still right :^)

OK then.

>>50950648
>Wouldnt the LRM with inferno warheads be superior?

IIRC LRM Incendiary works differently for some reason

Can someone explain Protos to me? Supposedly they're cheaper and easier to use, but it seems like it needs specialist surgery and a lot of chumps to throw into cockpits as they go nutso, so it's actually rather resource intensive.

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FUCK YOU SCATTER ROLLS.

>>50951032
Essentially, the Smoke Jaguars were running out of resources and effective pilots, so they took their castoff failed Aero phenotype guys and slapped them in the Protomech to try and stave off the oncoming death.

>>50951061
Hey, at least you didn't use artillery to land shells behind yourself.

>>50951075
That bomb came from the Sabutai on the right. If I can't hit the broadside of a goddamn barn, why bomb?

>>50951032

What you say is kinda true but also not the full picture.

In terms of resources, a Point of Protos will set you back about the same amount as a middling medium 'Mech. But where that 'Mech can get destroyed or fucked up so badly it's fit only for scrap, some or all of the members of the Point should make it home instead.

Pilots are also a dime a dozen since they were pulling failed Aero phenotypes from the lower castes, or solahma, and giving them one last chance for the glory they thought they were going to have as cadets.

There are issues with the start-up costs and questions as to the viability of the program in the long term since a lot of Protos are borderline leading to the poor impression they made IC and on the tabletop, but the second generation are much better. Ideally you would just shit out a bunch of 9-ton Roc knockoffs or Deplphynes and make some LRM variants though.

As is often the case in BT the real answer lies in OOC reasoning. They wanted a new Clan unit type and the Jaguars were starring in the novels at the time. Combine the two and there you go.

>>50951075
https://youtu.be/bebfm7beKmM?t=369

>>50951075

It's funny because that exact thing happened to the Cincy guys and their yelling at CGL about it was what got the rule changed to something not completely stupid.

>>50952334
thatsthejoke.webm

>>50950723
>gets proven wrong
Where? I literally just told you why the name was wrong.

Let's not fight! Everyone can agree that the Northwind Highlanders are shit tier.

>>50951167

Also the society superheavy protos get downright nasty. Too bad the two and three ton ones are utterly useless shit.

>>50952761
Well yeah

>>50952761
Why are they shit tier?

>>50953863
anything in BT that's not misery is mary sue.

>>50952761
That's true, but what units would y'all say are top-tier?
I'd nominate the Big MAC

>>50953986
Big MAC is pretty based. I used to like playing Citizen's Honored when I played Cappies back in the day. The 15th Dracon were pretty based as well. They were charitable as fuck and always helped the people rebuild anything they damaged wherever they fought, assuming it was a friendly planet.

Is there any point at all to BA ECM?

>>50954287
One hex ECM if you want to fuck over your carrier, I guess.

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Post silly mechs along with something silly to caption them if you would, please.

I need a smile.

>>50953986
I'd give the tooth of ymir high marks. They're top tier, but not A-listers, you know what I mean?

I like the Kell Hounds. They had a cool name, and their leader piloted an Archer when I first learned about them around 1992 I think?

... am I a bad person?

>>50954421
No.
Also remember around that era/age We learned them being big bros to Crescent Hawks.

What's a good ratio of gun to BV when building a mech? I want to design a series based on the principle of Gun first.

Is there any way to see through smoke and buildings and such? I thought that's what BAP was for, but it seems it is literally only good for units that are using the "Hidden Units" rules, not detecting units that have become hidden.

How do you actually build a force in battltech?

I really want to field a Tukkayidd themed Comstar army. Do I just have a mech arsenal thats a multiple of 4.
The military organisation in Total Warfare seems to be more fluff than hard rules.

>>50954690
BAP and sensor checks.

>>50954833
Depends. Do you want to go full in to combined arms territory, or are you looking to make an all-X or all-Y force? You, technically speaking, don't have to follow the rule of 4 for unit grouping, but it makes things easier especially when you start scaling up.

You already know you want to field a ComStar army, that's a good first step. Now you know what sort of units they field based upon their base. That also gives you an idea on how their forces are laid out and what % are 'mechs, what % are vees, etc. Check out some of the ComGuard units that were deployed on Tukayyid and see what they were built up with.

>>50954421
Honestly everything I read about Morgan Kell or Jaime Wolf in their Archers it makes me want to field one. Then I remember that the Archer is the one mech I can't make work.

>>50954833
ComStar uses base six for all of its units, for one thing, and deployed 12 Level Vs on Tukayyid, so I'd recommend making a Level III (that is, 6 level IIs) with a ComStar RAT.

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>>50954355
Okay. Let's do this for the New Year.

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>>50954355
And one more. This is how you make a serious-business Mad Cat into silly.

>>50954337

ECM only effects hostile units.

>>50954287

Omnis and vees transporting BA (also normal 'Mechs if they have mag clamps) get a free ECM that protects them from Artemis and the like.

Otherwise no, not really, it's better in the RPG.

>>50954539

The better the guns you have and the better you can sink their heat, the more expensive your machine will be. There's no ratio involved.

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>>50954355
We have everything in Battletech, even Sanic.

>>50955075
Which faction would most likely use the Dubsteptron?

>>50955343
Are there any stock designs which can beat the Fire Moth's speed?

>>50955427

>Are there any stock designs which can beat the Fire Moth's speed?

There's a Locust that can.

Also a Fireball but I think that's unique.

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>>50955343
Aletha Kabrinski pls

>>50955999
Look at the pics at sarna, she was so much cuter when she was younger. Well that goes for all Christmas cakes, but whatever. I stand by my assessment in a previous thread that she probably shags like a tiger.

>>50955427
>Which faction would most likely use the Dubsteptron?
Reed's Brew, to go with their party wagon Badger APCs.

I have some ideas about mech variants and I'd like your opinion if they can be fun enought:

>a Firestarter like the FS9-P but with LRM5 instead of the SRM2
>Javelin with LRMs (basically a substitute for the Sling)
>Javelin with RL20s ("awakened accordion")
>Vulcan with twin arm Flamers, torso LPLAS, JJ and stealth armor
>a Crusader more resembling the original from Macross, with RLs, JJ, head AMS, and some kind of "handgun" (be it a LB10X or a large laser)

>>50955441
>Also a Fireball but I think that's unique.
Two Fireballs, the 10D has MASC which puts it over. There's also the Roadrunner and Locust IIC 9.

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>>50956374
>Two Fireballs

[happy Aletha noises]

>>50956150
I think she doesn't look half bad in 3062, either. I do think it's a wonder she made it to older age at all, considering her favourite 'Mech is the one that can be killed with a nasty look.

>"Khan Kabrinski, we seriously think you should reconsider your choice in 'Mechs. We have plenty of say, Mad Dogs, they have much more endurance than a Fire Moth."
>"Does any Mad Dog configuration go over 200 km/h?"
>"No, my Khan, but..."
>"Fire Moth it is, then."

What would a Light Plasma Rifle statline look like? Cutting it in half is easy enough, but seems pretty boring.

>>50956434
>"Does any Mad Dog configuration go over 200 km/h?"
Gotta go fast!
Gotta shag fast!

>>50956360
>a Firestarter like the FS9-P but with LRM5 instead of the SRM2
HERESY! You can't spew infernos with a LRM. Remember, Firestarters are all about the FIRE. (Unless they're actually a Mirage.)

>Javelin with LRMs (basically a substitute for the Sling)
Replace 2 SRM-6 with 2 LRM-5 and 2 ML? I'd field it.

>Javelin with RL20s ("awakened accordion")
Meh. Unlike 99% of BTG, I'm not a fan of using one-shot weapons as your main guns.

>Vulcan with twin arm Flamers, torso LPLAS, JJ and stealth armor
So a VT-5M with the MPL replaced with flamers, the MG replaced with ECM, and the armor replaced? Could be something bad, could be something good. I'd have to see it fielded first.

>a Crusader more resembling the original from Macross, with RLs, JJ, head AMS, and some kind of "handgun" (be it a LB10X or a large laser)
A big gun Crud would probably be fun to watch, but I wouldn't want to pilot it.

>>50956360
>>a Crusader more resembling the original from Macross, with RLs, JJ, head AMS, and some kind of "handgun" (be it a LB10X or a large laser)
CASE, CASE, CASE, CASE, CASE....

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>>50953986
Battle Magic is by far the coolest. Scavenger technicians is so awesome, keeping the flame alive and all that. Too bad they ded.

>>50956491
>You can't spew infernos with a LRM. Remember, Firestarters are all about the FIRE

You know incendiary LRM rounds do exist?

What's the general opinion on the Kintaro, specifically the KTO-18 and -20?

>>50955999
Someone needs to write some BT smut about her

>>50956692
Yes, and they suck compared to infernos.

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>>50953986
I like the Bandits.

>>50956940
Missionary position for the purposes of freebirth procreation?

>>50957055
I did until they got Stackpoled.

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>>50954355
>Post silly mechs along with something silly to caption them if you would, please.

Unintentionally silly ... does it really *need* a caption?

>>50956940
Stuff like how she's draped over a stack of AC shells while a Trinary worth of Elementals run a train on her? Or how telling of how she once won a Trial of Grievance by beating her challenger in a dick-sucking contest (most dicks sucked, timed)?

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>>50955343
We must go faster

>>50957413
>Homing rocket tits
I can imagine the pilot's giggle while he/she fires

>>50954932
>>50955014
Combined arms seemed to be one of several reasons Comstar did so well at Tukkayidd so I would likely do a healthy dose of combined arms with Star League era mechs. I basically want to be able to have a Guillotine or Two and a Pillager in the same force.

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>>50957806
>Homing rocket tits
>I can imagine the pilot's giggle while he/she fires

There is historical precedent for this, you know...

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Anybody have any campaign plans for the New Year?

>>50954355
How's about a made for webm idea.
(Scene opens with a close-up shot of a helmeted man in a cockpit)
Young Clint Eastwood in a Mercury-era spacesuit : The bastard is right on my six.
(Cut to a POV shot panning over instrument panel clearly labeled Quickdraw-4H)
(Cut back to pilot, close)
yCE: How do you say " fire asSRMs" in Drac-speak?
(Cut to exterior shot of squatting QKD)
Missiles erupt for the rear of the mech as it leaps into the air on jump jets. subtitle: [farts infernally]
(Cut to interior c/u)
yCE : (laughing) Bingo!

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How do Zellbrigen rules go when it comes to things like Elementals? Why or how is it that Elementals are allowed to jump onto enemy 'Mechs and rip them apart yet Clan 'Mechs are forbidden from engaging in melee combat with other 'Mechs?

>>50956150
>Well that goes for all Christmas cakes, but whatever.

>thinks weeaboo sexism will get him his weeaboo waifu

>>50959001
Hey I like my waifus to come from Steiner or Davion territory, bud.

>>50948903
Any online battle tech games modeled after the tabletop game? Not the meh warrior style games where you pilot the mech.

>>50959222
Megamek, of course. 1:1 conversion of the TT rules.

>>50959236
Thanks bae. Any others?

>>50959284
It's not out yet, but the game being developed by HBS appears to be a pretty close approximation of the tabletop game.

You could also try the older MechCommander series.

>battletech
is this the setting where some guy genetically engineered a super T rex so they could have mechs fight it in a gladiator arena?

>>50960133
>>battletech
>is this the setting where some guy genetically engineered a super T rex so they could have mechs fight it in a gladiator arena?
If only. Problem is a T-Rex doesn't have good arm length to do an upper cut and most mechs can kick and punch out something that light in one shot.
If I recall there are some sort of dinos on one world, but I don't have the background info off hand.

>>50960133
... Well I know what my group is fighting when we start playing again.

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>>50960133
That one I don't remember, but this is the setting where ranchers herd cattle so grumpy they need 'Mechs to wrangle them, and sometimes these wranglermechs have to fire lasers at fire-breathing dragons.

>>50960133
There's a picture of a dinosaur eating/banging a mech, I hope someone knows what I'm talking about and post it

What're some good support vehicles for a mercenary unit to have? I've already looked at the MASH and Field Kitchen trucks, probably going to do the GESV ones. Also the J27 for short-ranged ammo transport, and recovery vehicles for transporting salvaged/damaged units back.

Basically, I'm looking to quantify the support vehicles used. We've handwaved things away, assuming that the vehicles have been there, but I'm looking to get a concrete listing down.

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>>50960170
>If I recall there are some sort of dinos on one world, but I don't have the background info off hand.
The world is called 'hunter's paradise', and it's in the periphery and full of dinosaurs
>Problem is a T-Rex doesn't have good arm length to do an upper cut and most mechs can kick and punch out something that light in one shot.
Yeah. One of the armoured sauropods, but engineered to be more aggressive would be a better fight
Pic related

>>50960371
are there stats for said dinosaurs for use against mechs?

>>50960512
Somewhere, yeah. Just don't remember which book

>>50960178
I actually had an idea for a one-shot based on that premise. The son of a high profile Defiance Industries exec wants to go big game hunting on Hunter's Paradise for his birthday. So he rounds up a bunch of miscellaneous mechwarriors (the party) to accompany/protect him on his safari in his custom berserker. The only stipulation is that a kill isn't counted if it isn't from a melee attack.

>>50960355
Lorries and Space Land Rovers. TRO Vehicle Annex has the Bulldog/Pit Bull series (which is really bloody big for a 1.5 tonner - should be the size of a Unimog whilst the pic in the TRO looks more like a four or ten tonner) and HB House Marik has the Ibex, which can serve as the Space Land Rover.

>>50960778
wait, did they get rid of (you)'s?

>>50960516

A Time of War has some rules for critters.

>>50961034

Apparently so.

>>50961034
>wait, did they get rid of (you)'s?
I've still got em on mobile, but weirdly I had the dotted lines yesterday

>>50961034
Wait, what? They were gone for a couple of days for me (only dotted lines) but now they're back.

>>50956843

They're shit, Jim. Get a Treb, Griffin, or Wolverine instead.

I've spent most of the year playing Marik and I'm looking to branch out into a new Great House.

Which would /btg/ recommend and why?

>>50961254
Steiner, all assault all day.

>>50961267
Banshee scouts
fuck yea Steiner Stronk.

>>50961254
Liao.

Best mech selection, best BA, best lore.

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>>50961254
There is only one option.

>>50961337
Maximilian pls

>>50961402
Why go Drac? I watch my fair share of JAV but what's the draw of the faction?

>>50960861
Those are great for generic cargo haulers or simple transports, but they don't have a ton of utility beyond that.

>>50961577

You get to play merciless villains before they get overshadowed by bigger, badder, even more merciless villains.

>>50961402
>Maximilian pls
For real.

Your eras include:
>exhausted formations deployed in penny packets attempting elastic defense against RCTs
>hopeless battle syndrome
>little bro to the fwl
>ha ha, time for first lord powers
And
>confederation great again

Plus mechs like the Vindicator, Huron Warrior, Thunder and Raven

What's not to love about Liao?

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Happy "we are releasing ilClan this year, f-for real!", bros!

[Spoiler]can you imagine if ilClan gets released before btgTRO?

>>50961832

I can't.

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>>50956434
It's like, I understand they were avoiding making her 'sexy,' but come on. That neck is thicker than my leg.

time for snu snu

>>50957768
>Wheeled
This is like taking one of those Bonneville Salt Flats speed cars and giving it scouting duty on rough terrain.

>>50962116
>That neck is thicker than my leg.
I mean she WAS an elemental who ended up a mechwarrior, it's not unreasonable

>>50962150
So, how many Surats got challenged to a Circle of Equals after laughing at her cramming herself into her Firemoth?

>>50961832
If it does I will make angry faces at munnin for having a slump like a real person instead of a TRO robot.

>>50962250
>I have to kill fast but Elemental armour too slow

>>50962310
How did an Elemental become a mechwarrior, anyways? I thought the clans were pretty strict about that kind of thing.

>>50962801
Bear necessities

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>>50962801
The Ghost Bears allowed people to test into other touman service branches - it wasn't like the, say, Jade Falcons, where you were out when you failed unless you were Aidan Pryde. Both Bear khans in the Revival era came from different career paths, Aletha Kabrinski was an Elemental who went to 'Mechs, Bjorn Jorgensson was a Mechwarrior who went to ASFs.

>>50962257
How much money do you guys still need? I would donate more if you were more transparent with how much it was donated and how much was already spent

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>>50962821
Anon pls
>>50962905
Oh, I see.
>Letting your elementals pilot mechs

>>50962801

Clan society lets you do anything if yoiu arm wrestle for it enough times.

>>50962956
>not beating the shit out of your boss for better payment

Can you imagine the fun?

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>>50960340

>>50962923
We've received $1,294.87 and spent $650.64.

All of the money spent has been paid directly to Shimmy or Plog.

What more transparency would you like to see? I can look into one of those little "thermometer" widgets or something I guess. It's just not info there's been much demand for so I haven't spent time on providing it.

>like the viking
>read dark age TROs
>viking IIC
this is a lot less of an improvement than I was expecting

>>50963383
Check out the new "King Crab"

>>50962905
The Bears sound literally perfect as a clan.

What's their downside? Their weakness?

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>>50963383

I dunno. Hardened armour is a pretty big boost and it has Artemis V so you get -1 to-hit in addition to a missile cluster bonus.

I guess if you were hoping for a -2G upgrade it was a bit lacklustre though.

>>50963627
Have you ever seen a bear with six legs try to run

>>50963627

There is none.

Not even joking.

Their tendancy to wait and see what happens next somehow never lets their enemies gain the advantage, they have a heavy-weight but fast military with extremely skilled personnel, they have a navy that literally everyone in the setting would have to gang up to destroy, and they rarely if ever lose.

The only saving grace is that they generally don't *do* very much except jump on a whatever bandwagon (Revival, Jihad, anti-Cat) is going and fuck shit up, or beat down on the Dracs when they start getting frisky.

I'd like them more if their supposed flaws actually manifested as downsides (a complaint I'd level at all the protagonist factions, really), they were active, and especially if Space Sweden with a centuries-long history of opposing invaders hadn't turned 180 and demanded they take over.

But it is what it is.

>>50963550
I actually like the new KC, even if it's less of a small radius bubble of death and more of a slightly larger bubble of death to things that aren't mechs. I feel like the older ones would pair really well with the 3145 variant.

>>50963673

That got retconned because it was interesting.

Ghost Bears have four legs now and "always" have.

>>50963645
>the fuck is hardened armor
>look up hardened armor
oh, that's actually pretty useful

>>50962956
I've always found that one of the most fun aspects of clan society, especially in RPG campaigns.

>>50963736
Why wouldn't Rasalhagians prefer life under the Ghost Bears? The technological improvements must be worth it. Plus ultimate security knowing their neighbors can't threaten their protectors.

>>50963753

Yeah, it can have its place.

I prefer Ferro-Lamellor and Ballistic-Reinforced but the Viking IIC uses it fairly well.

I wanted to stick Ferro-Lam or BR on my customs but there wasn't enough room since I wanted to meme things up with AES.

RIP if you're using Quirk rules though. Getting knocked over and needing +3 to stand is a bit of a bitch.

Anyone remember which sourcebook has the short story about the Rasalhague resistance to the Bears getting btfo by traitors from within who prefer the Bears?

Read it once and can't remember where it's from.

>>50963836

>Why wouldn't Rasalhagians prefer life under the Ghost Bears?

Because they're an external power who demands absolute adherence to their way of life and denies them any opportunity for self-determination.

You know, literally the same reason the Rasalhagians fought the occupying Dracs for centuries on end.

>>50963736
Here's a good question, though, what weakness would any of you give the Bears?

>>50964043
Arrogance that leads to mistakes and weakness. They're like the perfect versions of the Wolves and Jaguars combined: the Jaguars heavy hitting nature and the Wolves "all according to plan" mentality.

>>50964043
-They're too patient and end up losing out on opportunities they could have capitalized on had they acted rather than wait it out
-Their emphasis on family makes them overly trusting and more susceptible to betrayal and espionage, particularly among freeborn.
-Their continued interactions with and exposure to Rasalhague in particular and the Inner Sphere in general has led to their culture slowly shifting away from traditional clan values and closer to that of a hybrid state, with more hardline and traditionalist clans declaring them to have fallen/lost their honor/gone native/abandoned Kerensky's legacy/etc and refusing to work with them or outright going to war with them.

>>50964043
>the wrasslehogs fucking hate them and cause endless trouble
>although their individual warriors are still high quality, arrogance has severely deteriorated their strategic sense
Just off the bat, these.
Also, I would get rid of their levs, just have the aforementioned angry wrasslehogs detonate them with nukes hidden in resupply vessels.

>>50963749
...What the fuck, man. Is there any limit to the things those idiots will fuck up with random retcons?

>>50964043

They have a "weakness" already but the way it works is a strength.

Anything that anyone else adopts and the Bears don't for whatever reason get gifted turns out to be of questionable value (Heavy Lasers, ATMs) or useless (ASF phenotype, because reasons).

Any time anyone gets a genuine advantage and makes ground against the Bears with it they just over-extend themselves and then the Bears take back everything they lost plus more.

I'd make it an actual weakness.

New tech spreads slowly so enemies have a relative advantage there. Not overwhelming, but still. And while they'd be great on the defensive, they'd be not so great on offensives, or on defensives where they've surrendered too much of the initiative and can't regain it because it's not in their nature.

I'd also make them focus on one service arm like everyone else does, instead of being awesome at everything. Plus no Leviathan IIs/IIIs, ever.

>>50964199
>-Their continued interactions with and exposure to Rasalhague in particular and the Inner Sphere in general has led to their culture slowly shifting away from traditional clan values and closer to that of a hybrid state, with more hardline and traditionalist clans declaring them to have fallen/lost their honor/gone native/abandoned Kerensky's legacy/etc and refusing to work with them or outright going to war with them.
Unthinkable, anon. The next thing you'll come up with is that they'd get evicted from the Clan homeworlds, or something silly like that.

>>50964043
Fleas

>>50964230

I asked the authors about it on the old OF.

The answer was "BEARS HAVE FOUR LEGS LOL, R U RETARDED?"

To which I countered "Even space alien bears that evolved on another planet in a completely different ecosystem and which are probably only called "bears" because they have a resemblance to Terran bears since they sure as hell aren't actual ursines? And we have descriptions in the novels of characters wearing hexaped Ghost Bear pelts?"

"YES THOSE TOO YOU GIBBERING FUCKWIT, BEARS HAVE 4 LEGS! THREAD CLOSED, NEVER MENTION THIS AGAIN OR WE'LL BAN YOU!"

What if that one event hadn't been changed and the Nova Cats were allowed to keep that Leviathan.

How might the BT universe have been affected?

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>>50964261
But there's no Clantech variant of the Flea, or are you suggesting using them to outflank the Bear mechs?

>>50964299
No, just plain old fleas and ticks,
or 10,000 space marines attacking the Leviathan III, which would be the same thing.

>>50964272
I'd consider GIBBERING FUCKWIT a badge of honor. This is the Interweb after all.

>>50964280

Either not much or massively.

Logically speaking the Dracs either wouldn't have been able to kill the Cats off or would have been so weakened in the attempt to bring down a Lev II that they'd make the Capellans after the 4th SW look like paragons of military might. Which would then mean the Dracs should implode and get wrecked by the Suns.

OTOH the Cats were doomed for out of character reasons so the Lev II would have just been handwaved into not mattering and then things would just unfold as written.

>>50964043
In addition to the locals hating them, which has already been said, I'd make their industrial/supply situation actually pretty bad; moving their industrial gear from the homeworlds to the inner sphere severely fucked things up, they had to completely rebuild their supply chain, the half-unpacked stuff got severely beat up in the jihad, and even once it got set up, the locals are causing endless and often severe disruptions. Like, imagine what it would be like for the Soviets to have established an aircraft factory in Afghanistan during the occupation, and attempted to build the planes using only resources mined, transported, refined and assembled into the aircraft's components, all within Afghanistan. Like that level of trouble

>>50964272
I've had the same thing happen too.

I asked about an inconsistency with the number of children a major character (for years in the game) had. And I asked if the fate of one of these named offspring because part of the plot involves line of succession.

I was promptly told not everyone's children matter, even if they're in line to a throne. The fate of this character, and the inconsistency, were never addressed. (It wasn't victor's kids, for the record)

Someone needs to teach the guys there some public relations, because why should I spend money on their company if they'll treat me like shit?

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>>50964299
Incidentally, since the Flea is totally an Imperial AT-ST, did you ever get the impression that the Sirocco started out as a AT-AT that got seriously upgunned?

>Incidentally, since the Flea is totally an Imperial AT-ST, did you ever get the impression that the Sirocco started out as a AT-AT that got seriously upgunned?
Absolutely.

And just to say, gentlemen, it's been a fantastic year with you all. Happy New Year!

>>50964333

No, you should show them more respect because they're doing all that voluntarily on their own time.

This is their actual, no-fooling answer. You're only allowed to ask questions that aren't purely about rules interpretations if you're one of their Beemer or Beemer-bestie crews, anyone else will be ignored or condascended to.

>guy on the OF posts BV2 calcs for the 3057 WarShips
>do a couple by hand, they aren't much different
>seems legit
>scroll down
>Black Lion is almost 40% more expensive than McKenna

I know ships aren't a concern for them really, but god damn.

.>>50964272
For fuck's sake, the Ghost Bear emblem has six paws for a reason, beyon lollooksgudguise.

>>50963296
The thermometer thing is nice, but also what are being commissioned in the moment ("there are 3 illustrations with Matt Plog and 1 with Shimmy"). Think as kickstarter updates

>>50964765

Not any more :^)

>>50964865
We're all Ray here...

>>50964886

Not all of us.

>>50964916
Go back to being a bitter wreck of a human being like the rest of us.

>>50964926

No you.

This has been fun but I'm gonna stop now.

>>50964941
Fair enough

I can't remember half the devs anyway.

How did Takashi Kurita actually die? Never read thr mid-50s books, so to me it was just a jump from Takashi in Lost Destiny to Theodore in Grave Covenant.

>>50964985

Committed seppuku because he was going to destroy the Combine in his grudge against the Dragoons. Because you know, somehow five and a bit regiments of Dragoons can overcome 60+ Drac regiments.

Logic.

Any way, the official story is that he had a stroke or aneurism or some shit and died in his sleep.

>AU where Sun Tzu Liao and Isis Marik's wedding goes through, uniting their realms FedCom style
How long will the new super-state last before inevitably collapsing? What will the Dracs do now that they're forever alone?

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Not sure if this is the right place to post it, but MWLL is alive and being updated again. It's far better than MWO and you can play as Battle Armor/Aerospace.

>>50965082
The League splinters because they don't care for Maskrikova shenanigans or Xin Sheng.

>>50965082
I've been doing this for a while now. Marik-Liao and Kurita celebrated the wedding by launching a massive attack on the Terran corridor worlds of the FedCom. Since the Clans never invaded in this AU, everybody threw all their hardware into the meatgrinder. Hilarity ensues.

>>50965082
Certainly by 67, most likely less
Probably less than five years till thomas realizes how he's being played and the whole thing falls apart. We might actually see a marik/liao civil war at the same time as the FCCW, which might be neat

>>50965136
Oh, come on, the League splinters because they're the League. It's what they do.

>>50965082

>How long will the new super-state last before inevitably collapsing?

Longer than the FedCom, probably.

>What will the Dracs do now that they're forever alone?

Keep being the Worf and/or bad guy of the IS.

>>50965082
>What will the Dracs do now that they're forever alone?
Whip up on the clans?

>>50965115
The website and wiki say the last update was 2013. Is someone else working on it?

>>50965082
If nothing else, the jihad would kill it stone dead. Other than that, it entirely depends on how much straight sorcery we allow on sunny-t's part

>>50965181

Every time the Dracs fight the Bears they get wrecked.

The Dracs were written as so hilariously incompetent for pretty much all of the game's history that I seriously can't imagine them beating the Jaguars on their own either.

It's nice to imagine but I really doubt it, anon.

>>50965253
I mean, we are in AU town. The dracs don't really have to be jabrobis if we don't want them to be

>>50964812
I keep meaning to do more with the blog, but pretty much anyone who has a TRO question asks it here. Plus we release teasers and stuff here. And then I see nobody's checking it, so it's sort of a vicious circle.

But just for you, anon, I'll put up some updates tonight.

FWIW, Plog currently has 4 mechs in the queue and I'm about to send off a batch of BA.

>>50965226
Community, check the Reddit for it. It's gotten 3 updates.

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Happy New Year in the Eastern-ish time zone, /btg/!

My BattleTech New Year's resolutions are:
1) to stop supporting and/or defending CGL in any capacity
2) to not murder my campaign players when they're poor sports and complain that they deserve to win all the time *because they're the players and games aren't fun when you don't win*, and...
3) to finish painting both of my regiments of MAF Chasseurs á Cheval even though the first one is done in chocolate chip desert camo and I'm sick of painting that scheme.

What are your resolutions, /btg/?

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>>50965650

My /btg/ resolution is to convert as many people to the worship of almighty Blake as possible.

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>>50965692
Blake smiles upon us, Brother

>>50965650
I've got another half hour, but sure what the hell. My BattleTech's New Year's Resolutions are:
1: Get more work done for the TRO. Real life and CGL got in the way more this year, even if they were slightly more rewarding
2: Finish painting the 2 and a half battalions of mixed units I've got laying around, but ran out of steam after doing a pair of Star Trek commissions, a Gundam commission and Bones commission.
3: Get Atleast Itsnot into the TRO. Or something close to him. The setting needs someone with an absurd kill count like that.

>>50965650
1) Finish the TRO
2) That's it

>>50965650
>What are your resolutions, /btg/?
1: [drinking intensifies]
2: finally run that all-hound mercenary unit on the table now that there're minis
3: run a crusader without it exploding
4: put together that 1st Taurian Lancers paired company once the shimseen are out

>>50965650
>chocolate chip desert camo

What?

Also I have no resolutions. I kind of want to paint the minis I have, but I haven't had anyone to play with in-person in years. No support for the game at my LGS, either.

Maybe my resolution could be to finally move somewhere that isn't a bedroom community shithole.

>>50965921
Light brown with dark spots that have white dots on them, though the latter is optional depending on how you prefer your camo. It's a pain in the ass to paint.

>>50965921
The camo pattern used by US military forces during the first Desert Storm. So called because the black and dark brown spots look like chocolate chips in cookies.

What mechs would the various minor periphery states be using as of the Dark Age?

>>50966030

Not to be that guy, but check the MUL. Trying to answer in full for each realm would eat up the word count and then some.

Just have a look here: http://www.masterunitlist.info/Faction/Index

and remember they also get Periphery General.

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>>50965650
Happy New Year's, NEA.

My Battletech resolutions are:
>paint more and fluff out more pirate units/small-time Merc units
>get a gigantic order from Warhansa once they release the last mini I am waiting on them to get.
>run my pickup campaign more often
>play more MM with the IRC
>contribute more
>make as many Blackjack variants as humanly possible

For now though, a quiet night with scotch in hand is on the docket. Cheers everyone.

>>50965650
>drink a gallon of bourbon in 48 hours
>fluff up more small merc units for campaigns that'll probably never happen
>learn aerotech
>tell buddy I told him so when his psycho devil woman cheats on him
>write more smut
>buy many shimseen

>>50966122
>get Shimmyseen
Oh yeah, I forgot that part. I'm already screwing up my own resolutions.

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>>50948903
Man, I knew Battletech used anime designs, but I gotta say that it's really jarring to flat out see a mecha from Dougram in that style

>>50966570
Hi, welcome to 1987.

>>50966570
A bit, the thing is that Dougram has been something that passed over western audiences almost completely, save for maybe those few people getting VHS Fandubs shipped from overseas. It was all "Robotech" in those days. Myself, I was born well after Robotech stopped airing, so for me, my mental connection was never "Wow, I can't believe that these anime robots are in this western game", but rather "I can't believe that these designs were actually from anime."

Also, while Dougram was a great watch, I can't get behind the Robotech bandwagon. Watching it after the fact on DVD had me wincing at the voice acting and often recycled animations. Also that the best looking designs from the show were mooks made to explode if you looked at them funny.

To this day, I still wish there was a spin-off series about Destroid pilots, because I couldn't get behind the transforming space-jets and horrible idol singing.

Macross 7 took steps in the right direction by making it about a rock band, but went overboard with the power of music themes.

>>50966640
>I can't get behind the Robotech bandwagon. Watching it after the fact on DVD had me wincing at the voice acting and often recycled animations. Also that the best looking designs from the show were mooks made to explode if you looked at them funny.
I'm with you on that one buddy. I actually found the palladium RPG before I saw the show, and do you know what? (and I'm pretty sure this is the first time anyone has ever said this) I liked the palladium thing better

>>50965161
Memes aside they lasted several centuries until Wizkids did them in. For all their splintering secession didn't even happen until Andurien.

>>50966640
Japan can't create war stories without the characters spending long, long, long episodes harping about the evils of war, or else forming a rock band. Or both! Spend less time bitching about souls weighed down by gravity or whatever, and more time on the political aspects of the conflicts. Or else take the Band of Brothers approach, and cover the negatives of war tastefully. And take "teenage shitbag falls into the cockpit of an ultra badass mech and is an ace" out behind the woodshed.

>>50965650
I've never understood why you're such a Canopus fanboy when they're such a vapid faction.

>>50966685
Technically speaking until the Jihad other states actually had more rebellions and secessions.

The League's schtick was that they argued like an old married couple.

>>50966694
>Japan can't create war stories without the characters spending long, long, long episodes harping about the evils of war, or else forming a rock band. Or both! Spend less time bitching about souls weighed down by gravity or whatever, and more time on the political aspects of the conflicts
Nah, fuck all of that, I want Generation Kill with giant robots

>>50966724
They love tranny dicks and pedophilia just like he does.

Who is still using c3 in 3145? I last played during the jihad and had a c3i comstar army, and I want to pick up something similar.

>>50951167

It's pretty much useless for the inner sphere, where warriors expect a chance to work for thirty years and retire alive. The terminally ill are a relatively limited resource, and have problems that make them bad warriors.

Clanners think a warrior that hasn't had a Amazing Death by thirty is a washed up piece of crap, so "this will kill you in five years" is way less a drawback.

>>50967329
All true enough. I can't really think of anyone non-clan would bother with protomechs

>>50967462
>All true enough. I can't really think of anyone non-clan would bother with protomechs

Dracs or Cappies MIGHT

>>50967462
>I can't really think of anyone non-clan would bother with protomechs
I actually could, but almost all of them wouldn't actually have the necessary tech to do it. Not in any order, this is my thinking
>Dracs: pure Kamikaze machines for them as were dishonourable and would take a kamikaze mission to regain honour over seppuku
>Marians: offer slaves freedman status for their families if they go proto, used for riskier and more expendable bandit jobs
>Taurians (very maybe): their protomech angle would probably be more like recruiting a battalion's worth of straight ready to die volunteers for a very special particular one-way job and training them for that particular job in protos. I guess kinda like Halo's Spartan IIIs, but not kids
>capellans
>essentially the same as the marians, but also offering protomech-lifetime deals for family citizenship rather than operation-based

>>50966694
And funnily enough Dougram mostly avoids those things.
>>50967192
RoTS does, and the Bears have a few instances IIRC.

>>50967192

C3i is basically gone. With WoB dead or fled and ComStar's military disbanded no-one was left to keep using it.

Apparently the intention with TR: 3145 Kurita was that anything with C3 would be upgraded to Boosted, but the phrasing and unit selection there and in other products makes it look like even the Dracs have abandoned C3, which isn't so much of a surprise given how common ECM has gotten to be and how the Black Dragons are in charge and have been for almost 100 years.

>>50967674

I think the RotS managed to strong-arm the Bears into giving up their experiments with C3i.

Not that it really matters much since the top-tier Keshik they have uses Elite pilots and gets unblockable, undegradable C3 links for free because of course they do, they're the Bears, what did you expect?

>>50967329
>Clanners think a warrior that hasn't had a Amazing Death by thirty is a washed up piece of crap
Or you could just be That Good
Honestly, I've always found Clanner's society a bit too retarded
The Society, with a capital S, seems so much more interesting, wish it was a bit more long lived, or, even better, turned into a proper faction

>>50968219
>Or you could just be That Good
If you are that good you will occupy higher power positions. It is not a problem if you are old and a khan or galaxy commander. Even then, expect their position to be constantly contested by younger warriors

>>50968142
>since the top-tier Keshik they have uses Elite pilots and gets unblockable, undegradable C3 links for free

wait what

>>50968548

P. 180, Warden Clans,

Shrill Keshik can make an attack as if through C3 with one unit once per turn. Specifically cannot be blocked by ECM and specifically does not violate Clan honour rules to do this.

Also they are Elite and pick their maps instead of rolling and choose their home edge and set up their units second.

Guess which is literally the only Bear unit I've ever seen used in my local meta.

Go on, guess.

>>50968793

Wait.

Shit.

Checking the FM entry they're actually meant to be Veteran.

Well it's not like I needed extra reasons to punch those cheeky fucks.

>>50967563
>>Dracs: pure Kamikaze machines for them

The Dracs would love those as they basically make their LIGHT MECHS FINAL DESTINATION strategy somewhat viewable, they'd probably phase out light mechs and use nothing but heavies, assaults and swarms of protos.

>>50968793
>Shrill Keshik

What a lame name for a keshik

>>50968849

Dracs have moved away from lights in the 3058+ era and more towards fast heavies.

Swarms of lights went out in for them in the early Clan invasion. Too many Jag and Bear machines have LPLs and/or TCs.

>>50966694
>Japan can't create war stories without the characters spending long, long, long episodes harping about the evils of war, or else forming a rock band.

Anon, please stop talking about stuff you know very little about.
It makes you sound stupid/biased/stuck up and in general passes off a pretty negative vibe of the community for no good reason whatsoever.

>>50966694
>Japan can't create war stories without the characters spending long, long, long episodes harping about the evils of war, or else forming a rock band

This is very true

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>>50966640
>Also, while Dougram was a great watch, I can't get behind the Robotech bandwagon. Watching it after the fact on DVD had me wincing at the voice acting and often recycled animations.

Did Tony Oliver *ever* go through puberty?!?

>>50957546
W E W
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That is some lewd battletech

>>50966694
>Japan can't create war stories without the characters spending long, long, long episodes harping about the evils of war
Well, considering that the last war they fought ended really bad for them, it sort of makes sense that they're modern culture would be fairly anti-war.
>more time on the political aspects of the conflicts
Isn't that what Legend of the Galactic Heroes is?

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>Mfw I want to get into Battletech but Catalyst doesn't want me to

Remind me why we knock on Games Workshop so hard again?

>>50969909
Not that anon, and ignorant about most anime, can you name some good stories from old Nippon? I could use a few good shows to watch.
I saw Dougram already, and loved the hell out of it, and someone from /btg/ put Votoms and Votoms / Mellowlink on you tube so I got to see that. Also I saw the original Gundam and that was decent. Any suggestions?

>>50970421
>Isn't that what Legend of the Galactic Heroes is?

And a million other anime that never got stolen and translated into wonky Anglo so CampaignAnon would never know about them.

>>50970580
Space Battleship Yamato is a classic one that also got a whole bunch of remakes in various formats.

I still need to see the original, but the 2199 remake is excellent.

For other stuff, it depends on the genres you're interested in.

>>50970452

Because as "evil" (little e) as CGL may be between not paying people, embezzlement, and being mean to people on their forum...they aren't "Evil" (big E) like GW is.

Deliberately suing fansites so the only place to get source material is through their website/sources is a GW hallmark. Deliberately invalidating previously-purchased units so the only way to keep playing the game is to constantly keep buying new units is a GW hallmark. Deliberately throwing lawyers at everything even tangenitally-related to their products (such as suing a book author who used the term "space marine" in 1975) and forcing people to either defend themselves or go bankrupts is a GW hallmark. Deliberately putting FLGSs out of business so the only place to get paint/models is their retail stores is a GW hallmark.

For as bad as CGL may be, they pale into utter insignificance compared to what GW has done and continues to do. So keep some perspective, anon. CGL can't be as bad as GW until they're as popular and make as much money as W40K does, and since CGL is so impossibly incompetent, that goal - and thus that level of Evil - will never be reached.

>>50970628
Hell, sending C&D orders to webcomics is pretty fucked up too. I'm still a bit bitter about TSOALR.

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>>50970580
>Not that anon, and ignorant about most anime, can you name some good stories from old Nippon? I could use a few good shows to watch.

Oh, goody! I get to Fight Ignorance today! Starting with /m/ or /btg/-related titles:

>Patlabor - Watch the original movie. The first five minutes should get really get your /btg/ blood going.
>Gunbuster: Aim for the Top! - This six episode OVA was one of Studio Gainax's early projects. If you can make it through the light-hearted first episode, the rest is serious mecha-vs-aliens action.
>Gundam 0080: War in the Pocket - An unconventional short Gundam series with an interesting romantic twist. Still one of my favourates after so many years. The entire thing is on Youtube.
>Robot Carnival - Especially "A Tale of Two Robots". "Deprive" is my other favourite.
>Knights of Sidonia - Catch this mecha-vs-aliens space opera free if you have Netflix. The theme songs by Angela will get stuck in your head.
>Gargantia on the Verdurous Planet - I only got to see a half-dozen episodes of this mecha-vs-other aliens space opera before Netflix pulled it... still sore about that.
>Robot Jox - Not anime and not from Japan, but required viewing for /btg/ membership. Just thought I should mention it.
>Lupin III and the Castle of Cagliostro - not /btg/-related, but is my favourite animated film of all time. You might need to get familiar with the characters first for proper enjoyment.
>Kabaneri of the Iron Fortress - It's The Walking Dead meets Attack on Titan, but with giant armoured steam trains! Was free with Amazon Prime a while back.
>FLCL - It's bizarre and hilariously funny. Plus, rockin' soundtrack by The Pillows! There are only six episodes, so if it's not your cup of tea, you can bail without too much time invested.

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>>50970580

this>>50970936

Layzners good if you want flippy aerospace battles and hokuto no ken

Giant Gorg if you miss saturday morning cartoons

Ideon if youre a bloody Blakist

>>50970936
Oh, so THAT'S why that comic died? I guess GW doesn't like having free advertising. What's next, C&Ding 4chan because of all the GW threads?

>>50971024
Derp, meant to link >>50970749

>>50971013
>Ideon if youre a bloody Blakist
Dude... the Blakists didn't do *that* much collateral damage.

>>50970936
Fan-freaking-tastic. Thank you.
Can anybody tell me if I am going to waste my time with any other Gundams or Code Geass in terms of /btg/? I heard ZZ Gundam had mixed reviews, but was lighthearted which might be worth a shot. Also I heard Code Geass was cancer on the soul.
Does anybody on /btg/ like the real huge robot shows like Dai Guard and Dancouga? Some guy uploaded from /btg/ uploaded Dancouga recently and I have been loving it even though the mech is too big for a "real robots" kind of gig.

>>50971024

Word has it that they tried. They did it to Bell of Lost Souls as well, and both of 4chan and BoLS had enough clout to tell GW to shove off.

>>50970936

I'd add 8th MS Team to that list. I have no use for emo teenager Mecha anime and bullshit superpowers+Mecha, so the rest of Gundam is basically shit. But 8th MS Team - especially the first 5-6 episodes, are really solid fodder for BattleTech campaign details.

>>50970625
I enjoyed the hentai and JAV remakes

>>50970936
>I get to Fight Ignorance today!

I hope you're being silly and not really this much a pretensious cunt m8.

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>>50971108
same

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>>50971129

>>50971168
>MWO
My favorite mech there is Noton's Rifleman

>>50971213
Commando with as many srms as i can pack on

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>>50971099
>I'd add 8th MS Team to that list. I have no use for emo teenager Mecha anime and bullshit superpowers+Mecha, so the rest of Gundam is basically shit.

Oddly enough, I *didn't* follow a lot of Mobile Suit Gundam when I was younger, but you and I are definitely in the same boat. I've heard the movies that go along with the original series are good too, but the only one I can actually claim to have seen is an ancient VHS copy of the fourth one, Char's Counter-Attack.


>>50971129
>I hope you're being silly and not really this much a pretensious cunt m8.

It's a reference to the The Straight Dope, Cecil Adams's column that runs in the Chicago Reader. His motto is "Fighting ignorance since 1973. It's taking longer than we thought."

In addition to the weekly column and occasional articles by his staff, there is a message board that shares knowledge and engages in a lot of other kinds of more frivolous discussion (bet *that* sounds familiar); since the 10,000+ members of the SDMB come from all walks of life (writers, policemen, lawyers, doctors, clergy, etc.), many serious questions that get asked on the message board get answered with some authority. There isn't a whole lot about Oracle Database programming, though, so my ability to Fight Ignorance there is largely limited to things like anime that are *not* job-related.

>>50971084
>Can anybody tell me if I am going to waste my time with any other Gundams or Code Geass in terms of /btg/?
Various Gundam series vary a lot in terms of tone and settings.
Most of them are set in their own separate universes. I've watched and enjoyed most of them, but it'll depend on what kind of stories you'd want to see. Most do tend towards the more "super" end of the mecha powerlevel, especially as stories continue and new weapons are introduced.

>I heard ZZ Gundam had mixed reviews, but was lighthearted which might be worth a shot.
ZZ Gundam is a product of its director Tomino's mood swings; the lighthearted bits can be kind of uncanny, there's some pretty solid serious bits in between.

>Also I heard Code Geass was cancer on the soul.
Whoever told you that probably just dislikes the series.
I recently rewatched it and it's pretty fun, although the politics and plotting get more focus than the mechs.
The second season goes in some unexpected directions as well, which some people disliked.
In terms of giant robots, they start off fairly real (and also working alongside conventional forces) but the powerlevels rise rapidly through the series.

>>50971213
I love shitting around in my Crabs.

>>50970580
The original Ghost in the Shell movie is good. The show is pretty good too. I remember Dominion Tank Police as being worth watching. Jin Roh is pretty good, and will get your ground pounder juices flowing. Blue Gender had potential as a non-magical mechs type show, but it was terrible.

>>50971585
you better recycle bitch

>>50971601
I didn't even mind the Gaia is fucking your shit up thing, I just hated the characterization and design of the mecha.

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>>50971657
I liked the armored shrikes even with the pilot's head protected by a rollbar thing

though I would have enjoyed the whole show a lot better if it was about Keith killing bugs for about 12 episodes or so

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>no mention of G Gundam, featuring the mecha the Caballeros would be queueing to acquire

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>>50971755
that's a big nife

>>50971755
I'm reading the Caballero books, and I find them an interesting unit. Not Cassie as a character but the regiment overall. A lot more interesting than the Dragoons or Hounds that have gotten most of the merc limelight.
I mean I guess I get the draw of the Dragoons: big uber sue multi regiment unit with private mech designs and eventually Clan tech and warships.

But the draw of the Hounds I don't get. Why they're so elite and fanatical and perfect. Does Morgan Kell's greatness simply rub off on them?

>>50972023
Read By Blood Betrayed after you get done with the third Caballero's book. Periphery merc goodness.

>>50971755
I always feel like Tequila Gundam looks like it belongs on the junk planet from the Transformers movie. And by which I mean the only Transformers movie they ever made, because there was only ever one, and there were never any poorly written live action and cgi adaptions made.

>>50972023
If they made the Caballero books into movies or a miniseries (and I think of all the BT novels they'd adapt the best), I'd want Edward James Olmos as Carlos Camacho.

>>50971213
>Noton's Rifleman
>it's not a stock model and they canonized it
REEEEEEEEEE

>>50971084
Gundam's 0083 Stardust Memory is top notch, better than 08th MS Team and War in the Pocket imho (but don't skip either). Feel free to stop after they leave Earth, because the story gets weaker/trope-y.

>>50972207
And Cassie? Please not Lucy Lu?

>>50971781
>nife
I know the K was silent but that is ridiculous.

>>50973952
>Gundam's 0083 Stardust Memory is top notch, better than 08th MS Team and War in the Pocket imho (but don't skip either). Feel free to stop after they leave Earth, because the story gets weaker/trope-y.
Does 0083 have the notorious Nina Purpleton that /m/ goes on about from time to time?

>>50974057
Yeah, 0083 has Nina.
Personally, I feel that show looks pretty but isn't that great in terms of story.

In terms of nice mecha anime, I can recommend Knights of Sidonia.
The CGI animation puts some people off, but I personally quite like the setting and how things change over time.
The anime is incomplete and changes some things from the original manga, though, which also provides a better sense of the massive scales sometimes involved.

>>50973952
I didn't really think it was better.

Rate my company?

Command Lance
>END-6Q Enfield
>FLC-8R Falconer
>CP-11-A Cyclops
>MAD-5S Marauder

Battle Lance
>BSW-X1 Bushwacker
>CES-3R Caesar
>AXM-1N Axman
>GRF-1DS Griffin

Striker Lance
>FNHK-9K Falcon Hawk
>STH-1D Stealth
>BH-305 Battle Hawk
>COM-5S Commando

>>50973166
what mech is that supposed to be?

>>50975860

FedCom/10
...therefore Sue/10 by definition.

Play a faction not made of war criminals. Something like Liao.

>>50972207

Sorry, EJO is reserved for Thomas Marik.

>>50975860

FedCom/10.

Any recommendations for pre-jihad Liao mechs?

>>50975860
Why is an Enfield in your command lance? Put the Caesar in it, then your battle lance has a little more mobility.

>>50975944
It's a Nighstar, as far as I can tell.

>>50975944

>starry night

>nightstar.

Geddit?

>>50976397
>>50976416
I was going for Steiner to be honest

>>50976648
It's a silly thing, but I'm into American Civil War reenacting and own a pattern 1853 Enfield. So I went with the Enfield as my CO's ride.

>>50976854
>It's a silly thing, but I'm into American Civil War reenacting and own a pattern 1853 Enfield. So I went with the Enfield as my CO's ride.
Perfectly reasonable, I just prefer to group my heavies together for tactical purposes.

>>50976609

Stealth machines, Raven, Vindicator, DHS Huron Warrior, Men Shen, Ti T'sang, Jinggau, Lao Hu, Emperor, Yu Huang, Pillager.

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>>50974207
>In terms of nice mecha anime, I can recommend Knights of Sidonia.

Yes! I have a feeling there won't be a third (or subsequent) season, even though there is plenty more material. Here's hoping I'm wrong. The theme songs by Angela will get stuck in your head:

>Sidonia [first season]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoEvKKAhSqQ

>Kishi Koushinkyoku ("Knight's March") [second season]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VKV5LVSn_qU

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>>50970936
>Patlabor

We should not be on page 8.

>>50978292

And yet here we are.

The more I think about it the more the Marian hegemony seems like the ideal spot for IS protos to happen. In universe they had more than enough blakist help to justify having the technology, and out of universe they're small enough it wouldn't get any great power players panties in a bunch.

>>50979809
The Blakists didn't even have proto manufacturing capability themselves, and the Marians are barely able to make level 2 tech. The Lyrans or FS are the two factions probably most able to make the protos, while the MoC has the most advanced medical technology.

>IS proto talk
Pls no.

>>50979973

too bad

>>50979889

The blakists had vdni technology which is further ahead of protomech interfaces anyways. Yes, they could replicate it, that's not really up for debate.

The marians couldn't invent it themselves, but if given designs they could reproduce it. That's basically what they did with battle armor.

>>50980014

Also, blakists =interface cockpits, which are about the same or more advanced than superheavy proto cockpits.

>>50980014

>The blakists had vdni technology which is further ahead of protomech interfaces anyways.

Objectively wrong. They were able to kludge together a system that married VDNI to an existing Proto's controls but the results were not great.

Even in the DA the materials technologies of the Houses aren't advanced enough to build Protos unless you're willing to accept ones that are bulkier and slower. The Suns' infrastructure comes the closest but it's not there yet.

Periphery nations aren't even in the running.

>>50980320

Objectively right. Blakist interface technology is beyond what the clans were using, hence the clans stealing it and reverse engineering it. Blakist tech is better than clantech on that front.

Otherwise there's no space magic making clantech work, it's purely a cost-benefit equation, anyone can copy it. Plenty do.

You could have said exactly the same thing about periphery states making battle armor, and now they all have a variant or two.

>>50980532

>Objectively right. Blakist interface technology is beyond what the clans were using, hence the clans stealing it and reverse engineering it.

What the literal fuck dude.

VDNI was based on EI technology and has always been inferior to it in both rules and fluff.

>You could have said exactly the same thing about periphery states making battle armor, and now they all have a variant or two.

BA is a fuck ton easier to make than 'Mechs or Protos.

The bottleneck there was realising it was possible, not tech level per se.

>>50980713
>VDNI was based on EI technology and has always been inferior to it in both rules and fluff.
He's talking about Interface Cockpits, dumbass.

>>50980822

>this thing the Clans have fewer examples of than the WoB had protos and which they fielded almost a hundred years after totally proves my point

Sure showed me.

Okay so, given how quad BA work, what is the stretch between that and Protos? Or at the very least, Superheavy BA? The interface? Got that. The phenotype? Don't need that; IS Protos can sacrifice weapon/component space to compensate.

Basically, if you can BA, you can Proto. The question is: why would you? The IS isn't hurting for resources like the Clans were, which led to the Protos being fielded in any number. Lack of that issue basically resolves the "why not IS Protos" issue, because why WOULD you?

>>50981042

EI has you control the proto as though you were a quadruped, and there's not enough room to fit the kind of cockpit quad BA have into a proto.

The Society dealt with the adaptation issue with Feral, but I think that was motivated as much by their "haha, fuck the warriors!" thing as it was MAD SCIENCE and a time crunch that prevented them from retraining bipeds to turn into quadrupeds for combat.

I don't get the fascination with Protos for the IS either. Just build Ultralights, that doesn't require a machine interface technology that outright kills a portion of people who try to have it installed and drives anyone who does get it mad within 10 years and kills them in 15, nor does it require Clan-level design and engineering.

And you get the same result, a light combat unit that doesn't use as much resources as a full-on 'Mech.

>>50960133
Well, there's one world out there where large, dinosaur-like creatures are hunted using Mechs.

The noble who owns the planet likes to hire mercs for his hunts, but considers it unsporting if they use ranged weapons.

>>50981130
I didn't mean just Quad Protos, I meant the stretch between the fact that Quad BA have to use a cockpit, usually a horizontal one, and IS Protos could use a similar setup, only vertical, for piloting. I was curious why the stretch was "so huuuge" when it really isn't.

To be fair though, Ultralights don't get the "near miss" thing and they aren't ass efficient with armor use, so they aren't as durable overall.

>>50981287

Clan ASF guys are like five feet tall and curl up into a contortionist ball to pilot Protos.

The WoB could only fit an augmented pilot into them by chopping their limbs off to get their volume down far enough to work with a Proto.

There's not even a cockpit in the BA sense for them. The Clans had to use EI because there wasn't enough room for a chair and controls.

At this point I think 99% of the complaining is because the Clans have something that's remained unique to them and that just can't be allowed, for reasons.

>>50979973
>tfw no protomech cast in the image of adam steiner to get inside

>>50980014
The blakists could do the implants but not fully, iirc, and anyways they couldn't make the actual protomechs.

>>50981351
Face it, protomechs are dumb when you have BA. There's no particular reason you need to chop off limbs or use ASF phenotype when you can interface with BA just fine.

>>50981866

Yeah, well, Mechs are dumb when you have tanks.

Welcome to Battletech.

>>50980848

The thing that's objectively better than anything the clans fielded is better than what the clans have? Yes, that seems about right.

Considering we're talking about a time period a hundred years after protomechs first appear, pretending they're super secret space magic is a little ridiculous.

So wait, is the new mech commander going to have no caucasian characters?
Why do they think this is possible?

>>50981866

BA and Protomechs are completely different tactically and serve totally different purposes. BA are enhanced infantry: they are more mobile, but mostly just occupy ground and deny areas. Protomechs are mobile warfare units, and can keep up with mechs and vehicles and engage in combat on the run.

>>50981987
Looks like it. I have no idea what the hell they are doing alienating probably their biggest fan base.

>>50982037

>Literally anything that doesn't depict some group is by definition alienating them

Damn, how hyper-sensitive can you get? It's a fucking battletech game, stop being such a crybaby.

>>50982143
Well Marik is pretty much described as space United States.

3/4 houses are partially Russian I think.

It's just kinda retarded to me that none of the characters would be Caucasian.

>>50966498
Remember BTG DCG has given us this gift for dealing with Khell if he ever gets out of hand.
imgur.com/a/Fmjp3

>>50982143
>Damn, how hyper-sensitive can you get? It's a fucking battletech game, stop being such a crybaby.
We live in a world of SJW and all sorts of crap. You have to figure some people might have been burned a bit before. But whatever, I can lead you to knowledge, but I can't make you think.

>>50982277

>We live in a world of SJW and all sorts of crap.

Some white boy complaining about a lack of white boys in a game isn't "SJW", it's just a whiny crybaby. Or else he's admitting the "SJWs" were completely right all along, in which case he's still a crybaby, just a hypocrite too.

>>50982294
>Some white boy complaining about a lack of white boys in a game...
I come from a mixed family, you prejudiced idiot. It's called empathy, you human failure. My family is a cornucopia of ethnicity. You seem like the one with a chip on your shoulder about a supposed "white boy" having feelings that make you feel icky inside about your own personality problems.

To stop the arguing, new thread.
>>50982335
Let's all be good to each other this year, 'kay?

>>50982330

>AS A COLORED PERSON....

Sure buddy. Empathy would mean not giving a fuck or admitting it's okay to have a cast of whatever mix you like. Grow up.

>>50982358
Whatever helps your SJW racist ass sleep at night, you go ahead and believe that. You damn well know US of non-white lineage if we complained about lack of representation in such a venture there might be some tailoring to our wishes. Just shut up and let's talk about robits in the threads.

>>50982380
>Whatever helps your SJW racist ass

>Pointing out someone explicitly being racist is now racism

LOL - okay buddy. Everything is officially racist now.

>>50982380
>You damn well know US of non-white lineage if we complained about lack of representation in such a venture there might be some tailoring to our wishes.

So are you saying that's entirely justified and every game should have representation from literally every group or not?

>>50982406
>>Pointing out someone explicitly being racist is now racism
So if someone non-white asked where are all the black people or brown people are at in a work of participatory fiction, it's racist.
There is literally nothing that can be done with you. You don't know how to put yourself in someone else's shoes. For crying out loud they try to allow for various ethnic and race background in modern video games. This shouldn't be a "evil white boy crybaby" issue when this fiction has a great sweeping amount of humanity in it.

>So are you saying that's entirely justified and every game should have representation from literally every group or not?
In a great game like Battletech where there is a wide sweeping amount of peoples in it, it's just a possible sore issue for some people, that's all.

By the way, if someone on the street started this "white boy crybaby" crap to some of my more lighter skinned relatives, that would be a very unpleasant situation. I could not guarantee it wouldn't turn heated.

>>50982356

>>>50982335
Can we please stop arguing and talk robits and stuff in the new thread? This is not a good start for the new year for usually a cool thread.

>>50982490
>In a great game like Battletech where there is a wide sweeping amount of peoples in it, it's just a possible sore issue for some people, that's all.

So you agree that literally every game should represent literally every group no matter what and that every single case of crying about not being represented is justified - in other words, you are literally agreeing with the most extreme SJW-est position that exists. And accusing other people of holding that.

Glad you admit you're a total hypocrite.

>>50982490
>For crying out loud they try to allow for various ethnic and race background in modern video games.

Yes, it's great to throw in some diversity, but it doesn't have to be mandatory. It's not too complicated. Whining about a single case when a group doesn't show up is the definition if crybaby bullshit.

>>50982511
>Glad you admit you're a total hypocrite.
Do you have any idea how much shit a non-white guy like myself takes if I don't go with the yea and amen of the SJW types? Do you? It's okay to be sympathetic to white people and others that feels rightly there is an unjust hostility against them. I don't know your background, nor do I care, but honestly until you've been called shit like Uncle Tom and been shunned and had some really bad stuff happened to you, I suggest you take your foot out of your mouth. It's just that simple.

>Yes, it's great to throw in some diversity, but it doesn't have to be mandatory.
In many cases I agree, but since BT has such a huge history with a lot of Caucasoids in it, it was an understandable worrying sign.

It's like if ANY white guy speaks up worried about a trend, the bitchy SJW types get upset like whites they can't speak up for themselves. I see my relatives and friends crapped on constantly in this manner. It was an understandable concern of a few people. It's not hard to show some empathy and not do the "white boy crybaby" bitch fest. When you have to deal with racist white-hating SJWs for a while, maybe you'll understand. When you're non-white and have to deal with their psychotic behavior, MAYBE you'll understand and show some curiosity about motivations of companies that make products and show a shred of humanity and empathy.
It's like it's a SJW sin to even consider a white guy as human anymore, or a non-white who doesn't tow the line.

>>50981947

The best any Great House has done in that time is manufacture Clan-tech energy weapons.

Clearly the materials engineering and infrastructure isn't there.

This is on top of VDNI/EI incompatibility and the ethical issues of making pilots for them.

If this really assblasts you so massively, just say your faction bought some from the Sharks.

>>50982579
>Do you have any idea how much shit a non-white guy like myself takes if I don't go with the yea and amen of the SJW types? Do you? It's okay to be sympathetic to white people and others that feels rightly there is an unjust hostility against them. I don't know your background, nor do I care, but honestly until you've been called shit like Uncle Tom and been shunned and had some really bad stuff happened to you, I suggest you take your foot out of your mouth. It's just that simple.

Right now you can't even decide which side you're on. You're literally agreeing with the worst kind of SJW bullshit, only on the side of crybaby white boys like yourself. (Yeah, right, you're totally representing the hood here)

>In many cases I agree, but since BT has such a huge history with a lot of Caucasoids in it, it was an understandable worrying sign.

No it isn't "a worrying sign". It's their game. Live with a single fucking example without white people already.

>It's like if ANY white guy speaks up worried about a trend, the bitchy SJW types get upset like whites they can't speak up for themselves. I see my relatives and friends crapped on constantly in this manner. It was an understandable concern of a few people. It's not hard to show some empathy and not do the "white boy crybaby" bitch fest.

No, you're not "showing empathy", you're buying into the worst most hypocritical arguments that accomplish fuck-all. I don't give a shit if you're pretending to be brown or black or purple. It's a shitty argument no matter what.

>When you have to deal with racist white-hating SJWs for a while, maybe you'll understand. When you're non-white and have to deal with their psychotic behavior, MAYBE you'll understand and show some curiosity about motivations

That's hilarious. You're not showing "empathy", you've just bought into the /pol/ idiocy of using the EXACT SAME arguments as the worst kind of SJW-types that you're whining about.

>>50982582

If you really want to buy into the "clan space magic" explanation and assume it's just flat out impossible for anyone but clans to build anything, sure.

Or you could just admit there's nothing magical about that which they can't copy after 100 years, considering they already did exactly the same thing multiple times with other technology.

>>50982635

>assume

The books say it can't be done.

That may change one day but it hasn't yet.

Not that it should matter when the IS can do all kinds of things with BA or Ultralights and Protos are really kinda shit any way. Why fixate on protos when better alternatives are there to be had?

>>50982665
>The books say it can't be done.

No it doesn't.

>>50982609
So "white boys" are hypocrites if they have never discriminated, or have been proven to be discriminated against non-white, to point out the hostility against them and to have an open eye in case it happens to them. Sure, buddy. You believe that crap.
And thank you for your more racism. If a black guy isn't saying motherfucker every five seconds or isn't dripping hood slang in just the right way, if we don't speak the way you expect us to, we're not black or brown enough.
Tell me, what should a black or brown person type on the internet like? I'd like to know what kind of Klan meeting parameters you have going for you. Maybe if I talked about tacos and burritos you might think I'm mexican, or if I was asking where all the white wommens at and wanting some fried chicken and watermelon maybe I would pass your approval for how a non-white person should speak.
You are clearly racist on multiple fronts. You are a SJW and no one can get through to you.
This is why a lot of people are rightfully on the lookout for this level of crap. They don't want their hobbies polluted with this racist garbage. It was an understandable concern of people who never hurt you personally and you can't prove they were racist just because they were white.
And if /pol/ would have a person of my dark lineage there, maybe that's a place I could find more friends. Seriously, you are the apologists for the SJWs that make some people understandably concerned about trends in things.
I am done with this. Until you've been in our shoes, you have no idea what you are talking about.