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If you reply to OP you will have grainy primer all of 2017 Edition.

>Previous thread
>>50904970

>Freshest Rules in Epub (Use Readium for PC or Kobo on Android)
https://mega.nz/#F!Wl5DAbCb!TYxZG4CgX_x-NJu7JBwbZQ!2tgBUTYI

>Older stuff in PDFs:
https://mega.nz/#F!BxI1HSgI!0tKymKh9RZTzGpgIA5EyCg
https://mega.nz/#F!pFgm0RKR!J06C1gVYcjzNGsF8YNLsjQ

>As current as the FAQs get
https://www.games-workshop.com/en-GB/Rules-Errata

>40K 7th Edition Quick Reference Sheets:
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/4104995/Games/7edRef.pdf

>Forge World Book Index:
http://www.dakkadakka.com/wiki/en/Forge_World_and_Apocalypse_Rules_Index

>The Black Library (Dragons are red, Avengers are blue, the Wraithknight is huge, and he's going to kill you):
https://mega.nz/#F!wx4BiKhD!YhnAf1BqSmAB8dO6xDM56Q!c4pGAJDb

>List Builder if BS doesn't add enough bloat for you
https://webapplications-webroster.rhcloud.com/rc/web/#/rosterCreator
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>>50909545
First for grainy primer
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1st for the greater good
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>>50909557
Tau are so bad :(

>>50908873

Read the Badab wars (Mega in the OP has a PDF), I am pretty sure they have some bits and bobs in there, due to the fact that they are a FW faction.

Also check this dude's Carcharadon's out! They are amazing.
http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/topic/327601-malchys-white-faces-carcharodon-hh-raven-guard-hh-nl/
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>>50909553
Not even the dead may know peace from this hell.
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>>50909545
Jokes on you I already fuck up 20 models due to Vallejo white primer ate some of the plastic.
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Quick! The hot Inquisitor asks for a 1850 points competitive list with no allies for BT and SoB!

Can you waacfag enough to complete her request?
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>>50909570
>tfw you reply just as everyone moves to a new thread
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>>50909545
If you don't reply to this post your mother will get grainy primer in her sleep
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hey guys i'm a newb to 40k
i got a "start collecting skitarii" box and read through the codex.
now i know that tere are skitarii maniples but can i combine them with other imperial forces such as the guard?
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>>50909662
Read in the BRB about allies, then read the Skitarii codex about ally tables.
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>>50909662
yes
any detachment/formation can be added to other lists
the guard are part of the imperium and as such ally as battle brothers
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>>50909670
>BRB
what is that
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>>50909588
>1850 points competitive list with no allies for BT and SoB

So is that two 1850pts, for each, or one 1850pt list of BT/SoB.

Because if the latter, they don't share a codex and would default be using allies...
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>>50909683
Big rule book, a.k.a the rules
Its basically the book with rules in it.
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>>50909683

"Big Red Book". The main rulebook.
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>>50909683
BRB = Big Rule Book, the main source of rules. That is the slang for it.
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>>50909696
>>50909699
>>50909700
Finally, a question that the scrubs of /TG/ actually know the answer to.
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>>50909690
One for SoB one for BT.

The hot inquisitor maybe accept either of them if you are not up to the challenge
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>>50909710
Scratch that, someone called it the Big Red Book :(
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>>50909718
That's the WHFB nickname
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Has anyone had any success running non-vet mechanized guard? As in, you take PCSes and squads but give them all Chimerae?

It seems like a decent idea in a "predator satiation" way...
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>>50909729
The issue is that the chimera generally costs more than the passengers.
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>>50909775

I fail to see the alleged problem.
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>>50909729
The thing is you take mech guard as vets owing to the BS4 firepower they can put out with 2x melts/plasma from the hatch. BS3 doesn't feel right.
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>>50909800
5$ of eggs in a 6$ eggtray.
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>>50909813
this its the combined power of bs4 and the fact that you can actually fill the hatch with special weapons
the 4+ armor save (rerollable with a priest if i read the rules correctly ) is nice on plasma's to
>>50909729
the strength of infantry platoons liesin numbers and being a giant distraction while the guys that can actually kill shit above T6/av9 go upfield
a SWS with demolitions charges in a chimera is great fun when you can pull it of
i usually run a big blob of infantry with meltabombs on the sergeants and use my orders to run upfield
be aware though that multiple blast weapons will destroy you
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Army Builder won't let me put the warbuggies in a squadron of 5, so I had to list them separately.

Also, the warbuggies have twin-linked rokkits, but again, Army Builder wouldn't allow it.

Warboss and Painboy join the unit of Nobz.

Feedback appreciated.
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>>50909865
>10 5-point wounds in front of a 65 point heavy weapons team
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>>50909930
How many HWT die when the 10 wounds explode?
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>>50909570
The problem is that tactical squads are terrible right now and as a BA player we dont get a plethora of free razorbacks.
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>>50909960

The HWT is the Chimera. The guardsmen are ablative.

That being said, Grenadier MechVets is probably a way easier/cheaper/better idea.
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>>50909966
I literally don't know anyone that actually plays those bullshit formations anyway. Why are people such cheese dicks in friendly games?
I mean... My Minotaurs army I am currently building might be cheesy, but I genuinely don't know.
Test game soon.
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>>50909986
1500 list:

Asterion Moloc

5 x TH/SS termies

2 x 5 man tac squad w/ melts bombs

Sicaran w/ heavy Bolter/lascannons/accelerator cannon thingy

Spartan Assault Tank w/ multi meltas, heavy bolters, 2 x quad lascannons, armoured ceramite

Leviathan Dread in Lucius Drop Pod w/ claw, storm cannon, Ceramite Plating

1495/1500
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>>50909986
I know a guy who brings a double Demi company to casual games. As a bonus his army is unpainted and half assembled. Oh and he proxies fucking everything. It's no surprise no one wants to play him.
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I'm still waiting for your 1850 BT or SoB lists.
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>>50910055
well youre not getting one because BT rules suck and SoB are the memeist army
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>>50910052
I know a player like that, though his Is painted as ultras.

Odd thing is, HE never wants to play me, guess my orks are just too intimidating, or that my list is never the same twice.
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>>50910055
Celestine
Uriah
20 sisters with a priest

10 seraphim
2X 4 Melta dominions in Immolators
3x Exorcist

Fill left over points with 5x sisters in rhinos
with 2x special weapons in each.
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>>50909865
Why eggs anon?
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>>50910081
Bad list. 10 Seraphim with Celestin. The Optimal number is 8 with 2 pair of hand flamers and one character to avoid challenge insta kill of celestin.

20 blob sisters could work. For kill point games any other place is an stupid idea.

Try again.
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new player (skitarii) here again. beein looking for the BRB. is it the 50 pounds box called "Warhammer 40,000 (English)"?
quite expensive but i assume its worth the money as it promises many pictures, stories and all the rules.
how often do they change the rules? im afraid i have to buy a new version in the near future
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>>50910106
Puttig all your Eggs in one explosive basket
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>>50909914
use a different army builder
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Ad mech look extremely stupid. Skitarii look extremely awesome.
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>>50910115
>im afraid i have to buy a new version in the near future
There are rumours of a imminent edition change though nothing specific.

You can buy the mini rulebook from a Dark vengeance kit for cheap online.
With the "official" book you are paying for three books and full size glossy colour pages.
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>>50910115
>how often do they change the rules?
red lines represent frequency of main rulebook changes.
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>>50910115
You can get a mini version of the rule book that's just the rules from the Death Masque box, should be somewhere on eBay for like $10
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>>50910142
Ad mech and Skitarii generally look extremely stupid.
Mechanicus looks extremely awesome.
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>>50910115
>Buying codex in 2016
>Wat

Srsly though how often is it an issue when someone only has their army's codex on their phone as an epub?
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>>50910147
>>50910115
Stippled red line represents a fundamental shit in how army construction works
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>>50910147
What's with the yellow?

White Dwarf? Digital?
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>>50910165

I'm going to assume this was not a typo, anon.

E: Now I want pizza. Damnit, RECAP...
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>>50910143
What about the one from Death Masque?
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>>50910166
The Septermber Sister of Battle codex was released in two SEPERATE versions of White Dwarf. A magazine. Talk about getting cuntpunched.
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>>50910166
Digital only releases yeah.

I meant to update it but there's SOO much new shit, and' I'd have to consider supplements and ally dexes too.

>>50910176
>I'm going to assume this was not a typo

It's a typo no matter what, either it's a shit ON or a shift IN.
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>>50910115
that's the one
and not that often but even my store manager has been saying the rules might change soon.
another option you have is buying the starter set
that has a "pocket" sized rulebook in there, the templates you will need for blasts and flamers and a lot of miniatures you can use to practice painting on for 15£ extra (keep in mind the templates are like 8£ to buy separately)
can't tell you whats in the extra 2 books that come with the big rulebook as i never bought it and got the starter set instead myself
welcome to the hobby anon, hope you have a lot of fun with it
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What is a decent load out for a chaos Contemptor dreadnought in a 1000 pts force? Conversion beamer? Butcher cannons?

The rest of my army is a mayhem pack (3 helbrutes), 2 oblits some havocs and a sorceror. Going for fun and decent rather than hyper competitive.
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>>50910177
Didn't even know they had a 40k rule book, thought it was just another boardgame.
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>>50910181
I had totally forgotten about that.

Geez sure they need some love. Maybe a fucking plastic kit of their basic troop choice.
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>>50909914
>warboss
ehhehehe
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>Started AoS because until we know more about 8th it's pointless to invest
At least it's an army i can largely jump across systems
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>>50910194
Have you not seen the plastic Celestine? DO YOU NOT KNOW?
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>>50910186
Now I feel the need to make a spread sheet with all the weapons, vehicles and units.

Their stats, points and model count.

Send it to GW because I'm sure as fuck they don't have one.

So maybe that way with a simple lookupv they would not fuck up so much
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>>50910216
Nothing SoB related is real until I'm in a physical shop with the box in my hand.
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>>50910211
good on you anon
aos is a fun game to pick up and play
spent most of summer playing it
ended up coming back to 40k because the fluff is such a shitfest though
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>>50910233
It's been officially teased by GW. There are pictures. Videos on youtube. Fall of Cadia.
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IP was not one among the very first armies of 40k? Interesting
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>>50910230
>I though of doing one yesterday as a quick lookup guide, maybe keywords too y'know (Plasma, Flamer, Melta, Bolt, Pulse, Las) for the purpose of rule that interact with weapon types.

THAT the AoS team got spot on.
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>>50910211
>slaanesh is either MIA or KIA.

Dropped.
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>>50910235
i would have played fantasy but my friends all decided that "space marines are manlier than wood elves"
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>>50910241
Necrons and Tau only came out in 3rd, Dark Eldar in 2nd. There was a time when it was pretty much just space marines vs evil space marines. Not a lot has changed really.
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>>50910241
Those are independant releases there was a bundle with a lot of armies combined at first.
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>>50910112
You don't actually play sisters I guess.
Good job trying to memorize netlists though.
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>>50910247
If GW removes Slaanesh from the setting, I will honestly jerk off in a box of daemonettes and submit it in for a refund, for the glory of the pleasure lord.
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>>50910235
I heard that AoS is a lot more "balanced" in terms of list building, but is "shallower" to play
How true is it?
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>>50910216
Vyridian, Celestin and the twins are not plastic troop choice.

Special characters in metal, resin or plastic mean shit when the army is all metal and older than some of players.
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>>50910265
Have you ever played a game of fantasy? It usually revolves around deploying your models, and moving them forward, rolling dice, casting spells, and that's it. There's very little actual gameplay to it. The gameplay to be had is mostly in deployment and the magic phase.
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So I'll be at Warhammer World on Monday, what is defiantly something worth going to see. Also if anyone has any question for the staff I can try and find some answers/responses.
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>>50910261
I do, but from sheer experience MSU works best unless playing kill points. Then bring in the blob.

2x melta Dominions in an Immolator are almost mandatory.

Why the 8 Seraphim? Mostly due to deepstrike foot print. Unless I can bring allies to a mystic or servo skulls. 8 is the max.
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>>50910289
Wasn't fantasy "Buy and build 500 quid+ models and 3 rulebooks and then get Purple Sun'd off the board"?
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>>50910302
Yes.

AoS was a step forward.
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>>50910298
They'll probably be showing off the Adeptus Titanicus stuff, go look at that.

And ask them if there'll be more Sisters coming.
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Do you use natural material from the woods to decorate your model bases?
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>>50910265
It is indeed shallower, there's is no relative strength or toughness, so a knight has a much chance to hit and wound a goblin as a star dragon.
Only how many hits they target can take and it's armour is different

You can shoot into and out of close combat so you can't hinder ranged units with melee, just hope to kill them faster.
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>>50910324
weapon damage and rend are in there too.
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Coming back to 40k after some 6/7 years away.
A buddy of mine and I split a Betrayal at Calth box, he is going Storm Wardens because he likes the color scheme, I have decided on Blood Ravens as I like their lore.
Can you make a psyker heavy loyalist marine force these days? I'm going for fluff over competitiveness since it will be just us for a while, and I'm still mulling over the book trying to decipher formations/decurions/cads/bighonkingdicks and all the other new shit in the game now.
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>>50910302
>>50910309
8th edition was that, when the game was run by wizards and blobs of 50 models.

Prior to that flanking and rear charges made smaller units valuable
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>>50910324
>You can shoot into and out of close combat
Sold
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>>50910302
Here's the best example I can think of to give for fantasy, this may or not be relevant to AoS, but I bet it is:

In 7th edition fantasy, one of, if not THE strongest lists, was to use Teclis, the most powerful wizard in the game, put him in a unit of Phoenix Guard, who with their 4+ ward save (invuln) make a great bunker for him. They would put two other heroes in the unit for this reason - the command group (champion, banner, musician) had to go in the front rank. Two other heroes, and Teclis would be forced to the second rank of the unit, therefore unable to be attacked in melee. The rest of this army would seriously be nothing but fucking archers for the core. One unit of Phoenix Guard, two units of archers, 2 heroes and Teclis. ONLY TECLIS ACTUALLY KILLS ANYTHING. He would just dominate the magic phase and wipe out whole units by himself. He was so overpowered that this whole tactics was devised just to keep him safe and out of combat. And it worked. Like a fucking charm.

Disgusting. Magic was so fucking broken in fantasy I stopped playing after I play a game using this list once. The armies don't matter. It's literally just the wizards vs the enemy wizards. And if you didn't bring a level 4 wizard? Oh boy....
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>>50910332
Psyker heavy loyalist forces are the basis for some of the most competitive lists, since certain psychic powers are busted.
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>>50910192
How do you get a contemptor as chaos into a formation?
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>>50910332
>Can you make a psyker heavy loyalist marine force these days?
>I'm going for fluff over competitiveness
Choose one.
SM psyker death stars is awful to face.
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>>50910151
Wrong
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>>50910352
>chaos into a formation?
You don't.

CAD or unbound.
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>>50910349
Oh man and i thought 5th Ed Necrons were bad
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>>50910349
>Tfw psychic death stars and Magnus

It's fantasy all over again.
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>>50910311
No problem, I'll be trying to take as many pictures as I can and get a few notes regarding it.

Possibly posting while I'm there but more than likely when I'm back home.
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>>50910368
>It's fantasy all over again.
And i have no Dwarves to flip off mages.
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Whatever happened to Chapter Master and its successors
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>>50910376
C&D
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Fantasy was like this: pick 3 units, one of which should be core, then max the unit count, take a level 4 wizard, there's your army. Every army had to do this. Khorne armies did not exist.
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>>50910351
So how would you go about it?
>>50910354
>Choose one.
>Blood Ravens, one of the few psyker strong marine chapters in the setting, but don't make the army the way it should, because it accidentally might be competitve
Look, guy, I understand that here, everything is bad forever, but it's not like every Iron Hands army has that smashbane chap. I just want a fluffy my dudes army, so throw me a goddamn bone, ok?
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>>50910354

Blood Raven fluff IS psyker heavy.
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>>50910382
Formation style list building may not be the best, but it's still better than this crap. At least now you have an excuse to run bad units you think look cool.
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>>50910265
spot on
in 40k there are a lot more variables and it feels more like a real battle
toughness values, bs, scatter die and templates all contribute to that despite adding bloat

Aos has a set to hit, to wound and the rending system that affects saves
It's a lot easier to balance but also makes it a lot more shallow.
if i could pick and choose what to keep from aos it'dd be : rending system instead of ap and the keyword system
i was also sold on the roll of for going first each turn until i realized that would fuck with things like going to ground, jink, crew stunned and other things that affect a unit's ability to act/move for a turn
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>>50910393
>>50910394
And a psyker heavy SM force is competitive as fuck.
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>>50910400
Anyone ever play LotR? The rules for that were made for children they were so simple, and yet so complicated at the same time that it would still take hours and hours to finish a game.
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>>50910393
Well, decide if you want a lot of small units, or a giant unit.

Psykers are independent characters, so you can make a fairly large unit by stuffing a normal unit with them.
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>>50910400
Funny how it used to be 40K that was the retarded cousin.
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>>50910354
>SM psyker death stars is awful to face.

That doesn't mean you have to make a Death Star. There's a SM player at my club who has a nice Blood Ravens army. He runs three 9-man Tactical Squads, with an ML1 Librarian in each from the Librarius Conclave.
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>>50910247
>>50910264

people that believe fucking Bols memerumors are idiots
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Run a librarius conclave, and don't cheese with the rest of your army.
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>>50910417
Slaanesh is dead or missing in AoS you retard. That is canon fluff.
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Is there any reason the eldar don't just try and help the emperor? If they think his death will cause an eye of terra and cause a new chaos god to be born, wouldn't making sure he doesn't die be a good idea?

Or are they butthurt a human is so powerful or something?
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>>50910420
Missing, nothing ever suggested dead.
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>>50910407
That implies that I can choose how hard I can push the envelope.
>>50910412
So I use the Librarius Conclave that >>50910415 mentioned to get more librarians legally?
>>50910419
Well, I don't know exactly what "cheese" is these days, outside this new grav weapon (that I'm not taking because they never have been shown using them).
I plan, right now, on a force of tacticals in rhinos, a unit or 2 of assault marines with jumpbacks/razorbacks, terminator librarian HQ with the cataphractiis, maybe a terminator chaplain, too.
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>>50910368
Magnus is a strong flier that has one 18" d-shot you can deny. he generates 5 dice and needs 8 to safely shoot the d, can kill one model per turn.
Wow such amazing, so dangerous, 120p per warp charge, such greatness.
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>>50910426
They can't move the plot forward, and probably lack the technology.

After the heresy, some ad mech went into the webway to barter with the dark eldar for their help.

The dark Eldar probably could help, but they don't give a shit.
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>>50910432
As a space marine player, as long as you stay away from double demi company and skyhammer strikeforce, nobody is going to call cheese on you. If they do, remind them of those formations, and the fact you're not using them, and let them sit on it.
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>>50910432
Oh and the Scarblade Strike Force, the one that lets you jump out of your rhino, shoot, and then jump back in, although that's honestly not that OP. Just don't play White Scars and you're ok. I wouldn't even paint my marines any white chapter these days, too much association.
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>>50910441
>Denying a 5+ WC spell.
>Pretending that is his only power

Good luck with that.
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>>50910441
Isn't it a 18'' LINE and another 18'' D shot from lore of change? Also harness charges with 2+ and can be easily allied to gorillion psykers for all the warp charge needs.
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>>50910426
>Is there any reason the eldar don't just try and help the emperor?

Because the Eldar are not a single unified faction. Every Craftworld has its own diplomatic stance towards the Imperium, from "avoid", to "cautiously aid when it helps us" to "exterminate".

And BECAUSE THE IMPERIUM WANTS TO KILL THEM. The Imperial Creed preaches that the galaxy belongs to humanity and humanity alone. Every sapient alien race needs to be exterminated. That includes the Eldar. If the Eldar were able to bring back the Emperor, there's absolutely no reason to believe he wouldn't set about doing exactly what he tried to do during the Great Crusade, which is to say, killing them all and hijacking the webway.
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>>50910420
gtfo with your aos shit, go to your containment area fuckwads
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>>50910443
Oh yeah, the plot. Why wouldn't they have the technology though? They aren't limited to a chainsaw, spikes and amphetamines like apothecaries are
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>slaanesh will be killed in your lifetime because prudes have infested the hobby.
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>>50910468
Nope.
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>>50910458
The emperor probably wouldn't mind the current eldar, especially if they got him off the throne. Eldar in his time were massive cunts though, true
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You're now aware that it's canon fluff that the Eldar had something to do with the creation of the Ethereals of the Tau.

Tau players be like "why play Eldar when I can play their pets?"
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>>50910447
>>50910452
Alright. I plan to keep it basic outside the librarians, anyway.
Are there any fun things in the game for marines, things that change it up without people screaming I'm a waac cunt?
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>>50910461
Craft world eldar have lost tech. Dark Eldar have advanced it, but lack any motivation to help.
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>>50910374
I honestly think that if the psychic phase is going to be a thing, armies without psykers need to have some kind of runesmith equivalent to help dispel and protect.
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>>50910468
I will put dicks and tits on every model and preach the word of the prince of pleasure. I will binge drink while downing opannas and shooting morphine while listening to motley crew while riding a bike with no seat all the way to GW headquarters before setting myself on fire and giving them hell.

>This is how Doomrider is born.
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>>50910475
Wat. Where is this from lad?
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Does FW ever add their models to GW formations? I want to give Dreadclaws to a Favored of Chaos in a Murder Talon, but the only way to do that is by taking an extra CAD.
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>>50910480
Just ally some, like this waacfags allying a random inquisitor with servo skulls to their Tau force
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>>50910495
That got btfo in the faqs. 5 Riptides with culexus is the current faggotry
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>>50910345

Into, at least. Never made any goddamn sense.
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>>50910488
Shooting morphine? Just get some oramorph, senpai, much easier and better for you too.

>>50910491
Xenology I think

>>50910479
Aren't Humans supposedly less advanced than eldar though physiologically? And since the emperor's a perpetual now they could probably just do whatever and he'd still be fine.

Obviously it's not gonna happen but interesting nonetheless.
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>>50910502
The amount of FAQs is getting confusing. Specially when some go against the rules. Looking at you template FAQ.
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>>50910477
Space Marines are a hard army not to win with bro, sadly. You really have to try to make a bad list for an Ork player to have a fair game. If you want a challenge with space marines, play them as an assault army. Assault marines are probably one of the worst units in the dex. In competitive play, where they're used (and only as a formation tax), it's with 2 flamers, and never actually assaulting. Terminators are considered not good, get you a load of those. (They're actually not bad at all). Bikers are typically OP but running them with meltaguns is not OP and very oldschool. Devastators are not OP since Centurion Devs are the new hotness.
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It seems like the current CSM meta is either Cult legions or Alpha Legion and a million cultists.
How many cultists should I go for? 40?
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>>50910480
You mean Adamantium Will? Haha that rule is a joke.
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>>50910468
Thirst these nuts!
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>>50910516
they have a FAQ that goes against their FAQ
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>>50910530
>Needing FAQs
>Not being able to interpret RAI because you're That Guy
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>>50910455
d beam is wc5 so needs 7-8 wc, d shot is wc3 so needs 5 dice. 12 dice to shoot twice, 18 inches.
or i just bring two stormsurges and shoot 8 d-missiles from across the board with ignores cover and bs 12 from marks first turn.

Everything he does could be done cheaper by daemon princes, that are really badly priced anyway. Generating warp charges with rubrics is insanely stupid, horrors would be better. but why the fuck bring a 650p fmc when you can bring 12 heralds instead?

The worst part is that people think magnus is OP so if you bring him they will complain. while fielding a gladius is just good fun?
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>>50910518
just skipping formations puts a significant dampener on them
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>>50910524
>How many cultists should I go for? 40?
and as many again if you AL trait and formation "procs" four double cultists.
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>>50910544
He's a Lord of War, most tournaments don't allow these. I just wanted to run macdaddy macragge one day and got the nope.
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>>50910474
>Eldar in his time were massive cunts though, true

The Eldar in his time were scattered refugees rebuilding immediately after the Fall. And the Emperor has always been a genocidal tyrant. There's no reason to believe he would be any less inclined towards wiping them out in modern 40k.
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>>50910541
How many hits does a assault 2 template weapon make on overwatch?
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>>50910557
D3, like all templates during overwatch. Why would being assault 2 make any difference?
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>>50910545
>>50910518
That's why I said FUN things.
I plan on getting a unit of scouts and a speeder, but I dunno, I want a fun project to work with that adds something exciting to the army, but won't have people grumble.
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>>50910524
i personally run 80 as it gives you enough bodies to take wounds if your trying to get into close combat and even if your not youll need a bit to survive multiple shooting phases.
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>>50910376
how can a man even carry all that weight of such an armor?
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Are there stories of IP encounters with Necrons?
How do humans even fight these soulless monsters?
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>>50910565
Where do you buy this many cultists? Personally was thinking of getting the cultist assault box and they also look like a blast to build & personalize.
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>>50910571
They hold the fucking line

Right up til the space marines arrive to save their ass
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>>50910567
He's about 80% bionics at this point.
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>>50910550
bringing TS to a tournament... cmon man get real.
Also he doesnt have favored of tzeentch unless he's in a TS detachment.
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>>50910556
He knew slaneesh was caused by them buttfucking each other. Obviously he wanted humanity to improve on the eldar but he wouldn't immediately want to genocide someone who saved him, and therefore in his mind all humanity

>>50910567
It's power armor, it carries itself.
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>>50910556
>genocidal
he always offered the chance to be a client race.
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>>50910583
blessing of tzeentch i mean ofc.
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Do all CSM traitor legions need their models to be painted in their legions scheme?
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>>50910441
>>50910455
Magnus just needs to cast Siphon Magic and all the little horrors and Sorcerors on the field are feeding him warp charges like you wouldn't believe.

>>50910455
And yes, Gaze is a 18" beam with Soul Blaze.
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>>50910567
SM can bench a ton.
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>>50910573
you just collect a box ever so often and youll have plenty eventually. As it stands you might not wanna start with 80 40 would actually be a nice number to start as you wont burn out from painting/modeling them
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>>50910594
No, there are untold numbers of successors, splinter legions, temporary warbands and timeslips.
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>>50910573
GW also sells 5 push-fit cultists by themselves for a reasonably cheap price, or you could get DV cultists off ebay, or you could even find some appropriate (post-apocalyptic is often great for this) minis to proxy as cultists.
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>>50910603
>SPOT ME, BROTHER!
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>>50910586
>but he wouldn't immediately want to genocide someone who saved him

Yes, he would. The Emperor is not reasonable. He isn't the one, lone good guy of the setting. The only thing he cares about is ensuring the survival and prosperity of humanity; every other species in the galaxy that might possibly be a threat, or simply possesses resources, technology, or territory he wants, needs to be destroyed. If the Eldar were able to bring the Emperor back and chose to do so, they'd be signing their own death warrants.
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>>50910598
again need to be within 18 inches of the entire army. you know the one that's footslogging.
But sure, it will result in some dice. if you keep your entire army within an 18" bubble you can get a lot of dice, yet you will spend 2-3 dice for every siphon and probably just get even. ml3 using siphon for 3 dice = 0 total. next guy gets 1 back, second 2 third youre back to 3 again, 4th guy casting youre ahead on one guy and even on one, and so on. youre likely running out of dice if you fail or get denied, and the charges are stuck on the characters that get them. it's kinda a toss-up if you should use it, but if you get going you might gain some
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>>50910607
Awesome any shortcuts to painting so many units tho? They're def not guard with a standardized uniform since each unit is different
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why are there so few asian models?
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>>50910055

Why did they give the Inquisitor a thin waist but the new SoBs thicc ones?
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>>50910656
The Tau range is very well supported anon
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>>50910624
Wanting to kill most of the alien species in 40k is pretty reasonable though, since they're all terrible to be around.

Also, if they offered him Macha then all would be forgiven for at least a few days
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>>50910652
batch painting works well but when doing so make sure that you paint different parts different colors so that your cultist look like a rag tag bunch. just use the same colors so they look like they all are part of the same cult.
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>>50910652
Prime white, paint with washers/layers, gives a great desaturated look like dirty madmen.
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>>50910666
She spent too much time with politics and not enough bulking up.
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>>50910656
Because the asians have gundams to build they dont need anymore models
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>>50910652
I would go with a dark brown, black, and a color to match your legion for a lot of them. They're not uniform but they're all wearing scraps. Same way you'd paint orks.
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>>50910666
Inquisitor is something nearer to a classic pin up art piece.
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>>50910695
I'm going to need pictures guys, getting real thirsty here
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CELESTINE WANTS YOU!

Join the righteous!

https://regimental-standard.com/2016/12/28/join-the-righteous/
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>>50910698
>>50910712
Oops, forgot spoilers.
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>>50910675
Isn't that called zenithal priming? My buddy does it for his orks although it seems a bit longer than prime, base and layer
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>>50910735
Some use it but it's not mandatory part of it.

It's as when you prime dark and then prime light where you want light.

It makes the natural shadows easy for batch painting.
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>>50910698
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>>50910762
>>50910735
Here's the lazy version without zenithal https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UoTrMhBeqo8
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You asked for this
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>>50910773
GW still can't mold female faces without them looking like men or sex dolls. Or men sex dolls.
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>>50910773
If she wasn't wearing heels, a corset, and had rocket nipples, you'd almost mistake it for a man. Good thing they rubbed it in your face that she's a female.
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>>50910803
Simple but beautiful.

For added perfection, add a few Immolators full of sisters and a Witch Hunter with their own snazzy black land raider.
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>>50910773
>>50910698

Bit better scaled to compare anatomy.
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>>50910859
3 units in 1850, you'd breach 2k adding anything to it
3 units that won't do anything
But god damn is it fluffy

It's a good thing the BTs recruit so much, otherwise they might find out that their tactics are terrible.
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>>50910864
>The girl you want vs the girl you'll get
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>>50910864
at least celestines thots look female. the inquisitor... not so much
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>>50910886
But she's wearing heels anon
Heels, on a battlefield
Women aren't the most logical of creatures
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>>50910884
you while a anime inspired board the picture is in fact meant to be viewed left to right.
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>>50910899
Have you ever seen a corset on a woman IRL? They tend to bring in the waistline friend. She's pushing 200lbs+ if she still looks fat with a corset.
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Do you decorate your bases before you glue your model to it or afterwards?
Help a newb out please
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>>50910915
It's not a corset, it's armour capable of deflecting light anti-tank weaponry.
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>>50910918

After.
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>>50910915
It's POWER ARMOUR.

Not just a corset against her skin.
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>>50910918
Before obviously, unless you want static grass stuck all over their shoes like they've been running through it for days in the rain.
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>>50910803
That was my 3rd edition list minus a Landraider crusader because I didn't had one.

Geez BT haven't change
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>>50910922
>>50910928
For the SoB yes. For the Inquisitor, who knows? Dumb bitch is already wearing heels.
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Dumb question, but how Heretical was the Horus Heresy?
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>>50910941
She's wearing power armour too.

And those are gyroscopically balanced battle heels, Anon.
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>>50910941
An Inquisitor wearing heels. For all we know she has grav plates in there. Just to show of and be all Inquisitorial.
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>>50910947
So no Slow and Purposeful then?
Can you image the admechs face when he's requisitioned to forge a suit of power armor with heels?

If that's a special character and those heels actually have special rules I'll owe GW an apology.
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>>50910944
Not as heretical as you might think
Some of them have very good reasons for doing what they did
Consider Conrad Curze....
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So with the Warband formation I can take pretty much any Imperial Transport for an Inquisitor and his scooby doo gang. Which should I take? My intention is to take a Witch Hunter with a Psyocculum and to go Psyker hunting with them.
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>>50910963
Most inquisitorial wargear is handmade by trusted artisans, admech are too easy to infiltrate or might even decide to incorporate unpleasant features without outside involvement, just in case.
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>>50910980
You mother fucker!
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>>50910963
Hey anyone else not showing (you) anymore and replies to you are using dotted lines instead?
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>>50910936
They've actually gotten worse since then
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>>50910944
Not at all.

Emperor was atheist.
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>>50910990
Gook moot removed (You)s
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>>50910990
Yes i was getting confused
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>>50911001
For what purpose
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>>50910990
Works for me but I use plugins
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>>50911007
Who knows

At least I have a solid bank of (You)s I can retire on.
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>>50910894
I think you mean the men that sculpted her aren't too logical.
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>>50910839
yea because you are an art critic and people care what you have to say.
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>>50911019
I'm still getting (You)s on clover. I'm glad my b8 posting is still worth it.

Speaking of,

Nids should have humanoid characters like kerrigan to relate to.
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>>50910918
i put one dot of superglue on the plastic model and paint most, if not all of it, on the base; then i remove it from the base and and make the base separately.
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>>50911040
Don't even think of doing to the Nids what Matt Ward did to the crons you heretical scum
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>>50910922
The real problem with it is that it looks like body-hugging material, rather than being stuffed with metal plates or future kevlar or whatever the fuck it uses to deflect autocannons.

>Does this armor make me look fat?
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>>50911040
Genestealer cultists.
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>50911040
Nice try anon, but if I don't get (You)s, you don't get them either
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>>50911040
Why did they even remove the (You)s, its not like its gonna stop people from baitposting and start liking those reply links next to your post number.
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>>50910992
Did he have a Fedora and did he tip it?
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>>50911057
>looks like body-hugging material
It's supposed to in the SoB's case, it's heir way of ignorign the no Men under arms band.

As for the Inquisitor, who the fuck knows, they have aces to ridiculously rare shit, repurposed aspect armour is not unheard of.
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>>50911040
nice b8 anon it could really rustle my jimmies

here's a (you)
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>>50911026
>women cant even sculpt their own models
sad!
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>>50911069
He enforced it by law and blade.
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>>50911053
That was an improvement though.
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>>50911079

It was not.
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>>50911069
Automatically responding with the fedora meme to atheism is just dumb

...but then again Emps was pretty radical about it.'Course he did it for the greater good(not that one)
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>>50911069
“Mankind will not attain to its perfection until the last stone from the last temple falls on the last priest.”
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>>50911079
NOOOOOO
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
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>>50911078
Oh, he was edgy atheist, great. Just what the world needs more of.
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>>50911102
Oh yeah. Read the Last Church short story.
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>>50911102
Yes, but in-universe it had an actual (perceived) purpose, which I think justifies it
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When will good painter make SoBs nude
They need more nude
Just naked nuns with guns doing the purge
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If I paint my dudes as Black Legion and used other Legion rules occasionally, how many people would have a problem with it?
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>>50911116
Forgot pic
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>>50911102
He was a mortal who ascended to the level of actual gods in setting. He saw what the gods if the setting were, and found them beneath him. Knowing he was but a man, he decided no being was fit for man's worship.

Being a being as powerful as gods and deciding they aren't worth worshipping, and that doing so is actually harmful seems less edgy to me.
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>>50911122

Black Legion is filled with soldiers from the other traitor legions why the fuck would anyone have a complaint about that. They are pretty much the only traitor legion that can run with the other traitor legion rules with zero problem.
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>>50911116
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>>50911107
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>>50911116
I'm having flash backs to this shit.

I'll admit this is like the only crossed comic that was "good"
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>>50911139

kek
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>>50911053
It was an improvement across the board.
Next you'll say phase out should come back.
Faggot.
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>>50911150

>le wacky royal egyptian families in SPAAAAAAAACE was an improvement

fuck off
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Can anyone make a summary of all the happenings lately?

Magnus is back
Sisters and Templars
Super Admech
Inquisitor and Deldar guides

That is all I know but not the context
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Why are retarded posts always aimed at noone and has third world grammar?
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>>50911150
Crunch-wise it was

Fluff-wise it was horrible
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>>50911116
Wargame Exclusive probably has what you're looking for.
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>>50911143
HORSECOCK!
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>>50911134
Don't deny what you feel servant of the emprah
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>>50911172

DELETE THIS
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>>50911154
I really miss my nightbringer being the nightbringer
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>>50911155
>pic

PURGE THE MUTANT
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>>50911155
9/10 Genestealer cult picture
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>>50911172
Remember kids, this pic is one step away from
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What is the longest range army?
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>>50911155
That needs a heavy dosage of crusade.
>pic pictures that feel romantic
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>>50911172
Slaaneshi filth
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>>50911195
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>>50911224
>left and right
>not up and down
Poor gifmanship
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>>50911215
Tau
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>>50911155
The vtm:b UI is a nice touch.
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>>50911155
>Toreador.
Two of those at straight up Nosferatu, or at best severely inbred Giovanni.
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Does anyone have a 500pt Imperial Guard list I could peruse?
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>>50911230
Ewww. Fuck that. What else?
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>>50911169
Oh god no
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>>50911252
Tiddies
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>>50910859

For lulz, make sure the =I= is a psyker.
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>>50910192

Never ever ever put a conversion Beamer on a Contemptor. If you want conversion Beamers, put em on rapier platforms.
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>>50911252
Crons.
IG.
Scatter Bike Elves
Ultramarines
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>>50911168
Brother got you cover
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Are crons still good?
Spent like 400 for an 1850 list
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>>50911260
The dolphin blowholejob was a nice touch too.
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>>50910839
>GW still can't mold faces
ftfy
eer seen the old new carl franz? He's dying of starvation with that gaunt cheek-less face.
horible
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>>50911294
I've heard that they're OP if anything (note, not necessarily what I think) so you should be okay.
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>>50911246
just take conscripts, as many as you can fit
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>>50910192

Go for Chainfist, Power Fist, and dual Plasma Blasters.
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>>50911314
Thank goodness
Wasn't trying to get too competitive I just liked the aesthetic
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>>50911306
Like I said the nun one. Is the only "good" crossed comic.
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Which Space Marine Chapter is best suited for defensive warfare with fortifications ? I was thinking about purchasing the Fortress of Redemption that's greatly discounted at a local shop and trying to play with base building, filling my half of the table with obstructions and pelting the enemy with fire from safe cover.
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Modeling units, need opinions on my first Deathwatch list.

Black Spear Strike Force

Watch Commander

Watch Master (1) - 205pts
1 Watch Master: Guardian spear,Clovis,The Beacon Angelis

Aquila Kill Team

Veterans (5) - 205pts
1 Watch Sergeant: Deathwatch shotgun,Storm shield
1 Veteran: Deathwatch shotgun,Storm shield
3 Veteran: Infernus heavy bolter with hellfire shells

Terminators (3) - 175pts
2 Terminator: Thunder hammer,Storm shield
1 Terminator: Thunder hammer,Storm shield,Cyclone missile launcher

Biker (2) - 80pts
2 Biker: Power weapon,Melta bombs

Aquila Kill Team

Veterans (5) - 215pts
1 Watch Sergeant: Stalker pattern boltgun,Storm shield
1 Veteran: Stalker pattern boltgun,Storm shield
3 Veteran: Deathwatch frag cannon

Terminators (2) - 125pts
1 Terminator: Thunder hammer,Storm shield,Cyclone missile launcher
1 Terminator: Thunder hammer,Storm shield

Biker (3) - 105pts
3 Biker: Power weapon

Aquila Kill Team

Veterans (5) - 135pts
1 Watch Sergeant: Stalker pattern boltgun
4 Veteran: Stalker pattern boltgun

Librarian (1) - 115pts
1 Librarian: Boltgun,Force weapon,Psyker Master Level 2,Dominus Aegis

Ancient

Venerable Dreadnought (1) - 140pts
1 Venerable Dreadnought: Twin-linked lascannon,Power fist with stormbolter
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>>50911053

What is the meme class-name for these? Googling "Admiral Morgan Freeman" is less helpful than hoped.
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>>50911314
For a moment I thought you were saying they are faggots
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>>50910055
1500 point list
Vestal Task Force (Adepta Sororitas: Codex (2013) v2006)
HQ
New Canoness Veridyan
Troops
Battle Sister Squad
Battle Sister, Battle Sister, Battle Sister, Battle Sister
Immolator
Extra armour, Twin-Linked Multi-Melta
Special Weapon
Flamer
Special/Heavy
Storm Bolter
Veteran Sister Superior
Chainsword, Plasma Pistol
Battle Sister Squad
Battle Sister, Battle Sister, Battle Sister, Battle Sister
Immolator
Extra armour, Twin-Linked Multi-Melta
Special Weapon
Flamer
Special/Heavy
Storm Bolter
Veteran Sister Superior
Chainsword, Plasma Pistol
Battle Sister Squad
Battle Sister, Battle Sister, Battle Sister, Battle Sister
Immolator
Extra armour, Twin-Linked Multi-Melta
Special Weapon
Flamer
Special/Heavy
Storm Bolter
Veteran Sister Superior
Chainsword, Plasma Pistol
Fast Attack
Seraphim Squad
2x 2x Hand Flamers, Seraphim, Seraphim, Seraphim, Seraphim, Seraphim
Heavy Support
Retributor Squad
Battle Sister, Battle Sister, Battle Sister, Battle Sister, Battle Sister, Sister Superior, Take Simulacrum Imperialis
Heavy
4x Heavy Bolter
Elites
Sororitas Command Squad
Power Weapon (Maul)
Celestian
Meltagun
Celestian
Meltagun
Celestian
Meltagun
Celestian
Meltagun
Celestian
Condemnor Boltgun
Repressor [FW]
Extra Armour, Hunter-killer Missile
IK Oathsworn Detachment (Imperial Knights: Codex (2015) v2005)
Lords of War
Knight Errant
Heavy Stubber, Reaper Chainsword
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>>50911323
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>>50911323
IMPERIAL FISTS
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>>50910886
at leastthe twins' faces look human and kinda cute despite the fact they're cows on organ jetpacks
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>>50911323
Please be trolling, you know it's Imperial Fists
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>>50911326
I will list the entire collection here.
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>>50911329
BattleScribe format? God I hate the new BS
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>>50911329
>that formatting
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>>50910257
>Necrons and Tau only came out in 3rd, Dark Eldar in 2nd.
Necrons came out in 2nd edition. They had a lord, warriors, immortals, destroyers and scarabs.

Dark Eldar came out in 3rd edition. Their very first appearance was the 3rd edition starter set.
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>>50911341
>>50911347
>>50911363
All of you are wrong.
and you should all be decimated
>>50911323
Silver skulls
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>>50911326
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>>50911329

Even with your fuck awful formatting, I can see several things wrong with your list.

For starters, the VTF is worse than a CAD because you lose ObSec. Rerolling 1s once a game is not worth that trade.

If you're going to take a command squad and just give them meltas, don't. Make them Dominions instead.

Plasma pistols should never be taken with sisters. Ever.
>but
No.

There's more shit in there, but holy fuck, put some effort into your formatting if you want people to check it.
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>>50911326
2
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>>50911213
mr commisar is it heresy if i want to marry the cute 2nd lieutenant from the attached cadian company after my tour of duty is over and have sex in the missionary position for the sole purpose of procreation ?
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>>50911390
>ultramarines
>good at sieges
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>>50911326
3
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>>50911418
Now, either you're a retard or this is bait.

I'm not sure which so I'll say it's both.
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>>50911416
You may not marry the left-tennant private
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>>50911430
>this cuck doesnt know silver skulls are ultramarines
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Last one, my personal favorite
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>>50911423
This. Is. A. Really. Inaccurate. Way. To. Convey. How. Walken. Talks. , Commas. Are. More. Appropriate..
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>>50911443
I play Silver Skulls.
I use Ultramarines chapter tactics
Because they're Ultramarines successors
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>>50911445
Walken would be a sick ass commissar though right?
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>>50911443
>>50911452
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>>50911430
>>50911443
my fellow autistic primarchs i think i can explain this one
he appears to be implying the silver skulls are actually ultramarines which is their official progenitor. the hilarity ensues because of the obvious fact that they are iron warriors
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Which silver skulls color scheme is better, the all gunmetal, or the gunmetal with silver helmets and chest eagles with black shoulders?
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>>50911481
this should help
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>>50911476
>iron warriors
>good at anything
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>>50911502
how's the legion dorn?
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>>50911500
So the old school version then?
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>>50911341
>>50911347
>>50911363
Why ? I get they're great defenders in the fluff but on the table they get bonuses AGAINST buildings. Do they have some bonus when in fortification that I missed ?
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>>50911508
ask (((alpharius)))
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>>50911518
Then you're looking to be Iron Warriors chaos marines. They're the defensive siege specialists in 40k. They even have pieces of terrain as part of their formation, Stronghold of Chaos
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>>50910192
Contemptor's are gay

CSM one's are even worse

Get a Decimator son
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>>50911524
>Implying I'm not already alpharius
>Implying every traitor primarch was';t replaced with a alpha legionary since before the heresy
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>>50911518
Think about what marines are in the real world, taken from the wiki:
The United States Marine Corps (USMC) is a branch of the United States Armed Forces responsible for providing power projection,[7] using the mobility of the United States Navy, by Congressional mandate, to deliver rapidly, combined-arms task forces on land, at sea, and in the air.

They are not the type to hold ground, that is for the army, or in 40k terms, the Imperial Guard.

This essentially means Iron Warriors make no god damn sense.
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>>50911532
Looking for loyalists.
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Im new and suck at list building, anyone have a decent lower points thousand sons list floating around?
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>>50911557
Marines in the real world build fortifications.

Wiki/list of us marine corps bases
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>>50911580
Loyalist marines do not do what you are asking for. You're looking for Imperial Guard then.

Also, pictured, the real world chapter master of the ultramarines
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>>50911602
How close are real marines to space marines?
Do they have drop pods?
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>>50909867
Re-rolled armor saves are only for close combat. Priests are only really good for blobs of Infantry Squad and Conscripts if you intended to tarpit to assault.
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>>50911608
I don't know, but the retard I was replying to seemed to think they were close enough that his misunderstanding of real marine combat doctrine should be definitive on space Marine combat doctrine.
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>>50911608
No, we have paratroopers though. The impact of a drop pod hitting the ground from that height (orbit) would kill a normal human, even in the 40k setting. Marines only survive it because they're superhuman.
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Can walkers and tanks in 40k be done in true scale like some people have done with infantry?
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>>50911630
Definitive, no. Taking a cue from it, yes. Twisting my words and calling me retarded changes nothing btw. In the 40k setting, the Imp Guard still hold ground and the marines are used to assault important objectives.
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>>50911613
well shit you're right
thanks for pointing that out
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>>50911631
Non power armoured human. At least that was the case ages ago. Not sure if GW made an specifics fluff Rape about that.
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>>50911656
Well you can put an inquisitor in a drop pod with some marines so that makes sense.
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>>50911638
40k vehicles at in scale. Infantry is in heroic scale. So it messes everything up.
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>>50911645
Except when the iron warriors were called to do it.
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>>50911670
Which is why they don't make sense.

One can only assume Iron Warriors were brought in when the Imperial Guard could not hold the line on their own. We're talking about one chapter amidst a thousand or more.
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>>50911670
thats because IW are ditchdigging retards
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>>50911648
It's disappointing, right? At least you can get an IA Astropath and cast Prescience on Plasma Vets. Though I think you can only do that outside of the Chimera.
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>>50911695
Space marines doing things that normal humans can totally do. Great use of their talents I tell ya.
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>>50911695
>>thats because IW are ditchdigging retards
forced to be
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>>50911690
>>50911645
>>50911557
>Space Marines are analogous to real Marines except when the analogy disproves my point.

Marine combat doctrine includes bases. Iron warriors are the legion that builds bases.

You can't have it both ways. You can't bring up the real world Marines as evidence of your point then claim they aren't relevant when it turns out you just misunderstood how real Marines work.
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>>50910992
>McNeill is a militant atheist
>he makes the Emperor be a militant atheist
>this makes it canon
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>>50911737
I have no point, other than Iron Warriors are stupid and don't make sense, wtf is your point exactly?

Stated earlier, they're building bases, and they're space marines? The fuck? Make the normal humans do that.
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>>50911746
What?
the whole point of the last church was to show that big E's hateboner destroyed humanity.
atheism caused the grimderp
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Is the story of alpharius siding with Horus because he was told that he could save the universe if he chaos won canon?
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>>50911763
Iron warriors can build bases faster and tougher than normal people, because of their super human physiques and training in construction.

They're the siege engineers of the spac
>>50911746
e Marines.
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>>50911763
>Make the normal humans do that.
They do.
they also understand that humans are fucking fragile and do not work as fast. seiges are games of mathematics and sometimes you need to speed up your work
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>>50911737
You're using one chapter, out of literally uncountable number of chapters, that does one thing, and then applying that logic to every other chapter. You might as well say "all space marines have black rage" or some other retarded shit. Your autism is showing bro. 99.99% of marines do not fucking build bases and hold ground like that. The whole reason the Imperial Guard was formed is because they were small in number and could not be tasked with holding ground while they had other places to conquer.

So fucking dense dude....
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>>50911700
Is not like the Astropath can start inside the transport anyway.

Fucking marine shit that people abuse and result in fucking retarded post
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>>50911797
Why can't it? It's an IC and attached to a unit that is in a transport.
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>>50911795
>one chapter, out of literally uncountable number of chapters
At the time it wasn't a chapter, it was a legion, and one legion is a big fucking deal.

You are still right, but your logic is retarded. The actual answer is that during the era of the Crusade, there were a lot more Space Marines, and they were used as one branch - the main branch, even - of the armed forces.
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>>50911795
Iron warriors are a chaos legion. They are one vast army out of 20 original legions.
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>>50911700
yeah i mean the priest only really working on a melee unit kinda sucks in an army that is not melee focussed at all
ogryns are alright but not having assault transports aside from the fw low kinda defeats the point
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>>50911812
Fucking strawman, what else, I expected as much

We're talking 40k, not 30k
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>>50911823
Is the 50-man blob with psyker, priest, and power axes still a thing these days?
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>>50911830
In 40k, they are a chaos legion, and outnumber any given chapter by at least an order of magnitude.
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>>50911806
The Astropath from Imperial Agents can't start inside the transport of the Imperial Guard. Thanks to retarded faction rules.

Also Impirial Agents Acolyte squad can buy dedicated transport in the form of Chimera, Rhino, Valkyrie and Landraider. Since the last 3 are from a different faction they can't start inside them.
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>>50911841
Kinda, but hidden power weapons are less effective because characters are forced to pile in as close as possible to the enemy, making it harder to avoid damage.
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>>50911841
It is, but honestly the power weapons are a waste of points due to what >>50911858
said.. The thing now is 50 man Conscript blobs with a Priest and IA Astropath/Psyker.

50 man Infantry squads with the same kit are also good. Personal favorite of mine is the IA Astropath giving the blob Prescience and then giving them First Rank Second Rank Fire. with 5 Autocannons and possibly 5 Grenade Launchers with up to 150 lasgun shots that all re-roll hits does a lot of damage.
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>>50911847
Ok you've obviously lost sight of what the original point was because now you're just saying shit. That contributed nothing. Allow me to remind you.

Guy wants to start a space marine army that specializes in defensive siege warfare. No such thing exists for loyalists, for space marine chapters, because they use the imperial guard for that role. This is not my opinion, these are fucking facts. You spouting off nonsense about how iron warriors do this and that doesn't change shit.
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>>50911847
Furthermore, no matter how you fucking look at it, having a legion of superhuman soldiers who are the finest warriors in the galaxy sit around and JUST BUILD SHIT that could easily be accomplished by a group of mexicans is STILL FUCKING DUMB.
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>>50911901
building shit comes with the destroying fortresses thing
The imperial army spends most of it's time digging, the pert bros spend their time organizing it and calculating the siege because IW are rainman savants
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What have I created?

Cohort Cybernetica: 1,850 Points

Tech-Priest Dominus w/ Autocaduceus of Arkhan Land

Kastellan Maniple
>Six Kastellans w/ Phosphor Blasters
>Datasmith w/ Conversion Field, Mask of the Alpha Dominus

Kastellan Maniple
>Six Kastellans w/ Phosphor Blasters
>Datasmith w/ Conversion Field, Raiment of the Technomartyr

If you assault, that's 36 S6 AP3 twin-linked shots at BS2, 36 auto-hit flamer shots, plus 24 S6 AP2 attacks after that, in addition to all the stuff the Tech-Priests have.

But let's not forget how hard to kill this shit is. T7, 36 wounds to chew through, 2+ from the priests, plus a 4++, and Feel no Pain.

If the boops weren't expensive as hell, I would be making this right now
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>>50911925
SUPERHUMAN CONSTRUCTION WORKERS ARE TOTALLY COOL THOUGH

Please just stop
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Why the fuck do people think it's okay to take wargear when it puts them over points limit, and then not tell their opponent?

Even if you consistently lose to the guy, LEARN STRATEGIES ON HOW TO WIN...

Like honestly: Whats the point in playing Table Top bored games if you're just going to cheat. Just fucking tell the guy that you want the extra wargear or whatever and most people will just say sure, idgaf..
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>>50911950
Oh yeah, and the whole unit has IWND. Have fun killing that
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>>50911925
Even their lore is dumb as fuck
In one story they built a fortress with several layers upon layers, and after the Imperial Fists finally break in it turns out at the center there's just a wide open area where they get slaughtered.

They built a fortress around a fortress around a fortress around a fortress around a fortress to protect nothing to do something they could have done with no fortress.
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>>50911951
>SUPERHUMAN CONSTRUCTION WORKERS ARE TOTALLY COOL THOUGH
things i never said the post.
you are fucking retard anon.
Though if you want to tease out the truth of the matter i assume it's because the imperuim is not the most logical of places.
also good to note, most of the time when the IW set up camps it's with prefabs see angel exterminatus and they do so with servitors and shit.
likewise in storm of iron you see IW using humans as the builders again, occasionally help speed up were the siege needs to ramp up.
I don't see why you are chimping out so much about this
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>>50911877
>>50911901
Mexicans can't build walls like the iron warriors can. Imperial fists in lore are still used for fortifications and siege.
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>>50911975
>Not understanding the complex 5-D chess involved

Dornfag pls go
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>>50911954
>over points limit,

Like how much are we talking here?
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>>50911975
>They built a fortress around a fortress around a fortress around a fortress around a fortress to protect nothing to do something they could have done with no fortress.
the purpose was to piss of dorn and insult his pride.
pert and dorn were both architects and setting up the iron cage was an example of them trying to out dick each other.
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>>50911950
D-bait
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What's worse: getting beating by someone with like 15 points over the point limit
Or being beaten by someone who is like 50 points under it?
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>>50911999
A piece of wargears worth.
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>>50912088
Some wargear can be like 30 points though, or more, and depending on how many units he's done this with could add up. Getting a free power fist for every model in your army would end up as quite a lot.
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>>50912083
The 15 points. 50 points under the limit is not that uncommon. Specially if you don't simply add random crap to fill in points.

15 extra points is just cheating. Those extra points may be the difference between an extra tank, war gear or broken shit. That he could not had had access to it unless he gimped something else in the list.
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>>50912083
Under definitely, but it's not that much worse. If my list is 60-70 points short, whatever I add in usually doesn't make much of a difference. It will be like, vehicle upgrades or another sentinel.
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>>50912083
neither
those are rather small difference
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>>50909588
It's been a while since I played Marines, but here's my best shot. The Canoness in this formation is actually St. Celestine. I couldn't find her in the army builder, so I just bumped up a Canoness to be the same points cost.

The idea is for the army to be split into two prongs. The first is led by the Emp's Champion and CQC Crusader Squad in the Land Raider, the second is led by Celestine and the Seraphim Squad. Each prong is backed up by an Exorcist and Crusader Squad to provide fire support, and a Battle Sister Squad in a Rhino to take objectives. The Hunter is there as token anti-air. The Dominions can be used to outflank to kill anything that survives your initial onslaught, or to scout move and murder the enemy's distraction carnifex on turn 1.
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>>50912116
So at least 2 crusaders squads footslogging, ew
1 Hunter as anti air, not gonna work
The sisters half is fine though, wondering where you intend to put the cannnoness
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>>50912088
How long is a piece of string anon?

We're talking 1 or 2 points to something like 35.
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Someone make a new thread for dorn.
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>>50912148
>The Canoness in this formation is actually St. Celestine. I couldn't find her in the army builder, so I just bumped up a Canoness to be the same points cost.
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>>50909588
gg ez
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>>50912169
>How long is a piece of string anon?
As long as you cut it to be.

A list that's a piece of wargear over, is over by as much as the offending piece of wargear cots, whether it's a 5 point melta bombs or a 30 point bike, the excess can be cleanly cut with the piece of gear.

>>50912102
Getting a free power fist for every model in your army
Is not *A* piece of wargear
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>>50912198
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anybody here heard about Chaos Raptors (and some other kits) being repacked?
got this recently from a local game store, but need to cross information
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>>50912198
By the emperor....
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>>50912116
I just notice Veridryan only has the 6++ save. No Rosarius for a 4++ or Mantle of Ophelia for Eternal Warrior.
Also a normal power sword in a T3 S3 A4 I4 3+/6++ it is bad even by SoB standars of HQ
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>>50912198
>with no allies
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>>50912289
Where are you getting her rules?
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>>50912291
The Skyhammer can be black templars, and you can't have them both in the same army without them being allied
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>>50912302
There
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>>50912312
oh like that
yeah i suppose
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>>50912289

You don't take her to be a sturdy HQ. You take her to hide inside rets.
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>>50912344
Honestly surprised GW doesn't want like $5 for a digital copy of this
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>>50912360
Did you mean behind Exorcists?
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>>50912344
>step 1 : glue the slut onto the base
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Dark mechanicus, slaaneshi and nurgle daemonkin, and Illuminati codexes when?
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>>50912399
You hide her in a squad of Retribution with HF or HB depending of taste. Next to an Exorcist and a Psyker with the re-roll misses power
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>>50912431
Ooorrrr behind 3 exorcists. Retributors are just bad. And Veridryan doesnt do anything for Heavy Flamers anyway since they cant do Precision Shots.
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>>50912360
I know that I just find odd that is like the only T3 HQ without access to a Rosarium or Refractor field. I mean the Church pays them to have figure tight power armour for fuck sake.

It really shows GW doesn't care about SoB and got really confuse about how fast she sold.
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>>50912459
Actually template weapons re-roll to wound in those cases. Unless a recent FAQ changed a rule inside the rule book again.
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>>50912401
If they couldn't figure this out without instructions they probably need a new hobby
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>>50912198
I'm ready dad, enjoy the 5+ wounding.
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>>50912482
No they dont. They reroll to wounds if they have twinlinked. Veridrya gives out bubble of Precision Shots, not twinlinking.
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>>50912344
She has a very strong ability for 85 points, probably worth it yea?
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>>50912503
Sisters with flamers would have a fucking field day with this
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>>50912399

Exorcists fire d6 shots each. With 3 of them, that's an average of 10 shots, one 6 to hit.

Retributers fire 12 shots from HB, 2 6s on average.

I'd rather force more saves with HBs than fire 375 points of my only ranged AT into infantry squads.

>>50912431

Rets are fine, especially with precision shots. I'm not wasting my exorcist shots on something that doesn't need them. Be honest, what are you going to be hitting that will make the precision matter that the average 10 shots won't just kill anyway?

>>50912460

Yea. It's an oversight like the whole of IA. Still, it's something nice we didn't have before.
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>>50912525
They would for a turn, then they'd have all the shots back at them, or they'd be charged. 200 Fearless men with re-rolls to shooting and re-rolls to hit and wound in combat against another T3 army would be easy peasy.

Well more like 140ish men after all the flames.
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>>50912503
>putting a master of ordenance in a squad that is meant to move upfield with the plasma's
you are aware he can't shoot if he's moved yeah ?
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>>50912548
>A unit meant to move up with 200 bodies in the way

I don't think you understand this very well.
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>>50912503
5+ with rerolls to wound isnt that bad. also theres 8 flamers
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>>50912504
You sure? I was certain things that allowed re-roll to shooting with template weapons they re-roll to wound.

Now I'll have to check the rule book.

I only remember that because template weapons worked different than other shooting weapons. Like all template weapons wound at the same time. Unlike shooting that is one type at the time. They FAQ that out now. Because fuck you
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What's the lowest model count army that isn't made of like several riptides or anything else cheesy as fuck that doesn't completely suck?
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>>50912566
Yeah, if they're twin-linked, or they reroll to hit, but they're a template, they reroll to wound instead.

Precision shots is not rerolling to hit dude.
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>>50912590
Ah my bad. Was confusing it with prefers enemy. So many rules that do basically the same shit under different names
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>>50912573

Infernal Tetrad
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>>50912558
>standing at the back with a 24' range plasma squad worth 165 points
well that's one way for your opponent to earn his arty's point cost back in 1 turn
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>>50912627
It was a joke list against the other guys deep strike and grav spam list. There's no "arty" to worry about. Calm down dumpster.
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Is there any way for Admech to get Objective Secured other than allies?
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>>50912715
Play Eldar/Tau with Mechanicus models
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Dis is good jah?
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>>50909718
It's been called the BBB, BRB, and BYB in previous editions.
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>>50912845
would be better with grav 2bh
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>>50912845
If you play Medusa, use Chaptermaster (aka Smashfucker) and command squad with bikes + apothecary. 2+/3++/2+++ is tough nut to crack, almost impossible for some armies.
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Should I bring a Soul Grinder to a 1000 point game or no?
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>>50912976
It stil explodes to a lucky melta.
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Question, space marines vs space marines
Are we playing a game or just rolling dice?
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What model is this? Thanks in advance.
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>>50912976
If you're playing daemons a soul grinder is necessary in all lists
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>>50912845
>hey, here's a netlist build
>please validate my decision to be the cancer killing this hobby
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>>50912976

Tau players won't hesitate to bring more than 1 Riptide at the same point level, so do what you want senpai.
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>>50912992
It's just a Tau Fire warrior, it's worth nothing Mr. eBay
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>>50912992
converted fire warrior
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New Thread
>>50913014
>>50913014
>>50913014
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>>50913011
>>50913020
Thanks. Just spotted it on Google images while looking for inspo.
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>>50912998
That's not even a netlist, that is a full on That Guy list.
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I'm new to making armies but how is this for a 500 point Imperial Guard army? I'm not trying to make it super competitive or anything. Feedback is appreciated.
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>>50912982
>>50912997
>>50913002
I gotcha, thank you all!
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>>50911079
>>50911150
Newcrons was an improvement because Tyranids are 100x better at being the faceless, unrelatable, uncompromising force of nature and death.

Now that Necrons have been given personality and fixed, Tyranids are the sole Faction with the flavor of "personality is defined by their lack thereof", which means changing them would ruin it.
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>>50913075
Oldcrons were an army of slave robots to the star gods, the army already had a personality in the form of the C'Tan, people like you just don't get that. That's why when newcrons came out and turned everyone's favorite thing about oldcrons (C'Tan) into pokemon, we raged.
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>>50913095
Except C'Tan were never interesting because the Chaos Gods already existed.

Basically Necrons never had a niche, everything they tried to do was done better by someone else. They still sort of don't, but GW put out a whole model range for them so there's no going back. Fluffwise the setting would probably lose less from deleting Necrons than deleting Tau, which is pretty sad.
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>>50913056
Sorry to say anon but you need an HQ for that to be legal. So either a Company Command Squad, Leman Russ Tank Commander or Lord Commissar.
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>>50912998
its a game not a hobby. get good
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>>50913049
Winning is bad, why isnt this army nothing but orkz so he can scream waughhh at the table?
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>>50913501

This is legal as per unbound rule.
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