Warhammer 40,000 general

>>50904970
First for The Greater Good

Hells teeth and the omnicopea when?

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Army Builder won't let me put the warbuggies in a squadron of 5, so I had to list them separately.

Also, the warbuggies have twin-linked rokkits, but again, Army Builder wouldn't allow it.

Warboss and Painboy join the unit of Nobz.

Feedback appreciated.

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3rd for Forgeworld rusing

>>50904959

I'd love it if he was playing the 'spider in the web' role all these years and is biding his time until the moment is right to strike.

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How much of a scourge is Gets Hot to your army?

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Admech loser here, I was ducking around in paint the other day and I came up with this color scheme, finally. Now all I have to do is actually buy the nonsense and build it. And then find some plan on how to paint it logically. I've been told Skitarii are really fiddly with the details, so I'm a little bit dubious on my own skills.

>>50905069
Haven't lost someone to Gets Hot in like, 6 months.

>>50905069

Not much, I play Eldar with baller plasma technology so ours doesn't get hot.

>>50905045
Could it be multiple models?

>>50904997

When they get tired of Primarchs and traitors.

Probably towards the end of this 13th Black Crusade event we're getting to, although it could be towards the front of it and pays off towards the end.

>>50905056

Hiding out in the WEBway. Still, get that spider out of its web and onto the tabletop. Plus, Harlequins kind of own the Webway anyway.

>>50905040
Why only 1810? Unless that's an army builder thing. I'd double check your points manually, if you're getting any sort of errors. And actually email the List Guy. He usually fixes things really quickly.

Anyway, the list seems kinda lacking in anything with high strength vs. AV13/14 or with anything with a good volume of fire to strip Hull points. At the same time though, I'm not too sure what you could add for a fluffy Kult of Speed army. Maybe some Mega-Blasta Deffkoptas?

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Curze is a Demon Primarch

>>50905114
im guessing its going to be an entirely different model, probably alpharius or magnus

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>>50905069
None, the Omnissiah blessing is upon me.

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>Fall of Cadia
>Curze is true Prophet of the 8th
Curze rules when?

>>50905143
No, he rejected the dark gods and allowed himself to be killed to deny them of their prize and prove himself right when he insisted that the ends justify the means.

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Which group/species in 40k has the best artwork?

>>50905186
Grey Knights. Or Black Templars. Seeing as how they're nearly the damn same chapter aside from the Witchery.

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>>50905186
If at first you don't succeed, send in the Guard.

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So Tzeentch demons just completely bullshit or what?

I was attempting to see what demon allies the Thousand Sons could use and decided to see what they had (noone plays them in my area). 1240 points of me messing around no idea what I'm doing later and I have a 1250 list with 26 warp dice, all units with at least +1 strength to warpflame attacks and powers, +2 when within 12' of the two leading heralds. Every demon also corrupts objectives, Horrors split into new units 2 times, and the amount of summons I could pull of with this list could double my army by turn 4.

I find this hilarious considering the points cost, my limited knowledge of the books and artifacts that could probably make this more bullshit and how it completely makes Thousand Sons obsolete when planning a competitive army.

>>50905045
Its an age of sigmar mini. Some of're Minotaur thing.

>>50905289
>and the amount of summons I could pull of with this list could double my army by turn 4.

Pink Horrors can't do summoning.

Could you recommend some good youtube channels for 40k batreps?

>>50905289
Yes. Chaos Daemons were already one of the best armies and split is dumb.

>>50905289

Can't summon anymore with pink horrors.

>>50905301
The 5 herald can though mate.

>>50905312
If the new loci that split twice worked in the Warpflame host that would be hilarious.

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What is the best army and why is it Chaos?

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>>50905330
He has five heralds and five squads

He's expecting to summon with the heralds, obviously.

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>>50905186
Sisters

>>50905289

Its interesting but nearly impossible to win a tournament with because you just don't have the time to play out a game.

>>50905340
>What is the best army and why is it Admech?
FTFY
Who knows machine men, with machine hearts and machine minds fighting to free the galaxy from chaos and hereteks is just the best.

>>50905299
did you even look at the picture?

>>50905237
Cool, thanks.

>>50905054
You made me go look at their site again. When looking past all the T&A, some of their male Tau models look rad as fuck. Now I almost wanna make a small Tau army just to field swole as fuck cigar chumping fireblades.

>>50905186

I like a lot of the Skitarii images. Sisters have some good ones. I do love a good "hold the line" image of Guard and Space Marines, though.

>>50905181
Doesn't mean they didn't choose him.
As if they would let a Primarch slip through their fingers.
With his return in Demon form, he would rally his Legion fully to Chaos, rather than death of the Imperium. What a prize that would be.
Many marines died only to be reborn as demon princes, look at Grulgor of the DG.
Next time think before you post.

>>50905085
golds too bright

Someone told me to take raveners to act as a threat for my list is there any way they are commonly kitted or anything?

>>50905401

HoR Kill Team is probably what you want for that. The Leader upgrades help make the model, since you can actually give a Fire Warrior a counts-as Power Sword.

>>50905411
Yeah, on model I was gonna shoot for a more brassy color. It's tough to translate it.

>>50905480
It's also going to be really difficult to hit those spots on a skitarii model. They're really tiny and not even worth painting a different color. It's just going to look cluttered.

>>50905512
Yeah I realized I got a little carried away artistically lol. It's just a concept for now really.

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>>50905069
put a blue wash on those plasma coils

>>50905186
official or fan? i loved the cover art for most codexs (codics?)

>>50905597
whynotboth.jpg

>>50905597

Who is the artist who illustrates these? I love them, especially the black and white ones. Such style to them, they make 40k feel really gritty.

Kind of a Newfag here, know plenty about the fluff but as far as current rules are concerned I know very little. I was wondering what the best way to field/represent an inquisitorial force would be. I know they have a codex but its my understanding that its meant more as an allied thing rather than its own standalone army (same with the recent imperial agents book). I was thinking perhaps Militarum Tempestus along with Inquisition? To represent Inquisition stormtroopers, which I think are still canon.

>>50905675
Depending on your cashflow and playstyle, you can go one of two ways.

>Tempestus
>Pricey
>Less of 'em
>More elite

>Astra Militarum
>Not as pricey
>More of 'em
>Less elite
>Need more to do the same job.

That + Inquisition forces is what you're looking at.

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>>50905632
not sure, karl something

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>>50905751

>mfw I have no face

So we agree that the FW teaser is actaully the new Daemon thing AND a new DE Model?

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Okay i updated the list a bit. I know im going to lose like 99.99% of games but i wanted to build a kinda swarmy list for nids

Could you anons wish me a happy birthday? That would be the shit lads. /tg/ and the 40k general are my favorite places to be on this place called the internet. Also hit me with those sexy minis anons.

>>50905040
No matter the feedvack we both know you'll never build this army.

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>>50905803
Assuming you aren't a (You) farmer
Happy BDay faggot

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>>50905803

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>>50905825
That scheme is gross

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>>50905855
ur gross

>>50905855
Good thing its not mine

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>>50905825
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>>50905803
Happy birthday anon. If you were here I'd give you a friendly bj. Don't hate, I'm dick starved

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>>50905868
For real though.

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>>50905887

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>>50905803

Happy Birthday, anon.

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>>50905803
Happy Birthday anon.
Here are my generic Marines hiding in a crater before charging out to win the match.

>>50905878
R u grill?

Someone post the He-Man C'tan and cowboy unicycle motherfucker from that yellow Necron army, because these newfags clearly have no idea what true power is.

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>>50905903
As you wish.

>>50905864
the paints

thin em

>>50905901

The proportion of beakies to non-beakies in that squad is inordinately beaky

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>>50905878
DUBAI
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>>50905899

Man I like that scheme.

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>>50905907

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>>50905914
Necrons: universally known for their heavy weapons specialists.

>>50905803
Happy dethday.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SYHuQTvJ4kU

>>50905902
I'm a boy who kit bashed and put boobs and long hair on

>>50905911
The nonbeaker will be beheaded and reheaded soon, and I still need to touch up the goofs. I'm not the best painter.

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>>50905925

Eldar make great two-tone schemes.

>>50905931

I bet this would look better with the shoulders on the right way.

>>50905949

I'm putting together corsair storm guardians right now, been pondering color schemes - that brown and orange looks sharp as fuck.

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>>50905955
There's a lot that could be done to make these models better.

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>>50905968

>>50905146

you sick fuck your runing a war convocation aren't you?

i am too

>>50905967

Codex Eldar has a bunch of neat and basic schemes. This one is Yme-Loc, one of the smaller ones.

Also doesn't hurt to browse around online and check out what people have done with their Eldar.

>>50905996

Yeah that's what I do in my down time at work is look at Flickr pools and just google 'x primary color eldar'

>>50905968
And i thought they said yellow number 5 doesnt cause cancer.

>>50905946
Hmmmmm

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>>50906004
Cute.

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>>50906015
ARE YOU READY TO ROCK

>>50906015
sorry anon if you had painted them well i wouldn't be so hard on you like i swear most of the detail is obsurced in this fucking minis? how you tried some washes maybe?

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>>50906047
Then they would look less like the McDonald's toys they really are, deep down.

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>>50906055

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How do you guys put grav-guns, meltas, and plasma guns on your bikes?

I kinda hate the one-handed look.

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>>50906064
And that's all I could find of this guy's minis, though I remember there being more.

>>50906073
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>>50905825

what makes me really sad is i got my buddy necrons for Christmas cause he's an egypt fag and loves skeletons. He's new to 40k, and i thought he would like them. He did, but he just told me he wants to paint them gold. Oh lord why

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>>50905181
Would be pretty dickish of the Gods to bring him back then.

Traitor Legions scans when?

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>>50906094
There's nothing wrong with gold!

>>50905878
Where you at anon? if you give me a bday bj I'll shoot my battle cannon in you ;-)

>>50906094
What's wrong with gold?

Make them robotic som'bitches fabulous

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>>50905803

Happy Birthday Anon

>>50906094
I mean just give him some tips that will make them less blinding gold. Tell him about washes and layer paints so they don't end up 1 solid gold color on all the details.

>>50906113
I'll make sure to swallow your direct hit and any extra snap shots you fire at me

>>50906113
>>50906146
C-can I join in? I'll bring my scatter dice and catch anything that misses the table.

>>50905793
Posted it in the last thread, I'll chuck it here though just to make it easier

"I like it, I think you might need some more synapse/ranged firepower in there though, have you considered swapping out the Lictors/Rippers/Ravenors for Zoanthropes? They'd also help on the chance someone kills your big guys/synapse, not too mention those broods will be clumped tight to retain synapse so some Zoanthropes might help make your swarm less grouped?

Otherwise I really like it"

>>50906108
>>50906117

I'm just saying it could end up like the above is all.

>>50906145

Already have. He's not interested. Just wants to pump em out and have em done.

>>50906146
>>50906154
If you do anon I'll see if my battle cannon can extend into a vanquisher to satisfy you both

>>50906164
Not if you step up and be the responsible anon who guides him by the cock to Duncan and actual gold paints instead of letting the poor bastard make terrible mistakes.

>>50906190
>>50906154
Yes please. This sounds amazing. 2 dudes and a tranny blow each other then play table top games together. I'd attend that birthday party.

>>50906190
>>50906211
I actually think we should all marry eachother based on the last few comments alone.

>>50906073

That looks like something the Bad Moons should be trying to steal.

>>50906163
Hmm must have missed it. doesn't the problem then become that the zoanthropes will be blown away first since they are my main synapse links up into the front lines?

>>50905380
Dude, the full model has been posted in the last 15 fucking generals every time that jigsaw's been posted. They fucked up and showed the full thing too soon. I'd post it myself, but I don't give enough of a shit about AoS to save leaks of it.

>>50906253
The middle piece is the front of the custodes grav tank

Theyre fucking with us

What can you convert a Carnifexs be converted into? thinking about picking up the tyranid sward and i hear they are ass

Is it more idea for an elite unit to take 10, 11, or 12 models if they ride in a transport?

>>50906271
This isn't the Dark Ages, take no substitute to MSU.

>>50906281
What if they're tankbustas.

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>>50906217
Like I always say blowjob is best job

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>>50905803
Happy birthday, anon! Here's my raider I'd like to think is sexy.

fags MUST die

>>50906281
If on foot, max it out. If not, MSU. That's what I've been told at least.

>>50906236
Well truthfully they can be blown away, but unlike the others they have a 3++ save which can in theory shrug of heavy weapons fire. Not too mention their toughness 4 so plasma won't instant kill them with 2 wounds. Its not uncommon for them to ignore multiple las cannon blasts, just don't let them get into melee.

Not too mention, it gives your opponent a difficult choice. Kill the seemingly fragile Zoanthropes which can potentially just shrug it off while the bigger guys get closer each turn, or target the bigger monsters and be pelted by Warp blasts followed by a co-ordinated swarm.

Personally I think they're a solid choice, but you are building a swarm/fluffy army so it comes down to whether you like them or not.

Also, could Venomthropes could be an option you'd consider??

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What warlord trait would you choose for your warlord if you could cherry pick from your faction trait list?

I'd choose the Iron Warriors 'obliterarors can shoot the same weapon twice trait'

Imagine if Papa Tech-Priest could replace a regular Dominus in an formation.

Think of the Deathstaryness of a Cohort Cybernetica with him at the helm.

It'd be glorious.

>>50906356
>from your faction trait list?

None, because they all fucking suck.

>>50906361
Do we have rules for him yet?

>>50906356
Probably Honor Demands Combat. I tend to always fuck up the shortest of charges, so re-rolling those sure would help.

Though giving the Emperor's Champion +1WS and +1A is also really sexy.

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>>50906356
R-R-R-R-RAMPAGE! on my daemon prince

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>>50906356
An Alpha Legion Lord that has Infiltrate like his troops.

>>50906356
from the slaanesh table, run and charge. get 20 seekers, herald with move through cover on seeker, take the formation that gives them even more speed and make sure those cover camping fools on the other side of the table regret thinking they're safe

>>50906407
Always wondered why you BLT's never took the guy who gives your whole army fleet and zealot for one turn.

>>50906414
But anon if you did that my Commissar would have to kill you.

>>50906372
Only that he has T 6 W 5 and that he's a big guy, which is obvious from the model.

Though if his unique Canticles and his weapon are as powerful as ~300 points should be, then he'd be a treat.

>>50906372
T6 W5 and same size as a Carnifex is all we know for sure right now

>>50906434
4 u

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>>50906356

Probably the Dred Mob "Irrational Genius" trait as it can get hilarious.


>>50906365

Orks or Tyranids?

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>>50906354
i think zoanthropes actually might give me the threat i was needing. While the stronger lists will blow me away turn 1 or 2 against more tame lists they will give me an edge with the exact choice you are describing. now its time to decide if choose 3 seperate units which i personally think would help me increase synapse range better or should i throw em together to maybe get that wicked assault 3 warp blast.

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>>50906433
If your commissar was such a great combatant, then why didn't I simply run away and choose another fight?

Skitarii/Admech brought nothing unique to the tabletop gamewise and is only for anti-taufags that wants to play imperial version of tau.

>>50906356
Slaanesh, run and charge in the same turn
Genestealers, obviously the choose cult ambush,
And dark eldar labrythine cunning.

>>50906356
Always wondered if anyone has done this with a narrative campaign?

Seems like an easy way to add give a character a quirk while not completely overpowering the campaign.

>>50906484
Not so fast scum, with the new Black Templars and Mechanicum codexes about to drop youll have to eat your words my blueberry friend.

>>50906430
Helbrecht is just a tad bit expensive at 180 for what he can do. That army charge is only worth its money when a good 75% of your units can make it count and he himself is just meh for a Chapter Master, due to not having a AP2 weapon, not having an Orbital Strike and also having somewhat sub-par stats. If you run a balanced list, pretty much any other HQ choice is a safer bet.

>>50906484
>Tau
>over half the Skitarii units are meant to Assault or get close to the enemy, unlike any unit of Tau barring Kroot

OK. Sure. Here's your (You)

>>50906470
Well yeah that's the choice now isn't it? Something to think about is though with them being separate it means enemy troops will be forced to split fire up. That way, if one gets assaulted or massed rapid fire them they won't drown in a sea of hits.

But as a group they also have their potential to deal massive damage, even serving as a big distraction worse case since a brood is pretty worrying. Also, you do also have two Tervigons and a Tyrant, so you do have some room to work with.

Glad this has helped you somewhat

>>50906536
Also no 2 ccws

What do people think of this for a beginner Eldar list? I already own the guardians so tried to build something off of the start collecting box and also something that won't force me to eat instant noodle for the next month.

Why is the carnival of pain a minimum of 2105 pts? Does gw not realize that they've taxed the formation beyond the ability of it to be played?

>>50906546
And thank you for all your help im trying not to be the asshole who runs a unfluffy list just because hes afraid of losing.

>>50906548
That I'm not even bothered by, since you have a 66% chance to get the 2ccw bonus or even 1 more attack, which is alright by me.

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>>50906551
Forgot the picture because im an idiot.

Can Artillery be placed in Ruins for the cover save?

>plan not to spend too much money ob WH40k in 2017
>Fall of Cadia announced
>AdMec and Black Templars are my 2 armies and my favourite factions

Well fuck.

>>50906572

Yes

>>50906476
He kicked you out of Gotham.
My commissar is currently being made out of a Bullgryn model so he's too much of a big guy
For you

>>50906543
You mean the overcosted crap no one uses or the t3 overwatchbait that rarely gets anything done? I mean ghostkeels and stormsurges do melee better and more consistently than gogheads.

>>50906585
tight

>>50906484
Salty that 30 radium carbines statistically kill a Wraithknight or Stormsurge without any buffs or rerolls? Stay mad, Taudar baby, I'll keep bringing 80 naked Vanguards to every game.

>>50906561
Okay the newest question is what color do i paint my nearly 200 nids?

>>50906476

Is that Krieg Acerbus?

>>50906561
No worries mate.
I'm glad to see there are other Tyranid players trying to run fluffy lists and not running the same list as everyone else. Personally I'm a fan of Warriors and Shrikes. They die to a stiff breeze, but there's something about them that always makes me take a couple in an army.


At the end of the day, these are your dudes so play what you want and just enjoy the game.

>>50906617
Anus brown

>>50906617
Gold.

>>50906469
Black Templars, guess the only one I find ok is Honor Demands Combat which reroll failed charged distance but it still is crap.

>>50906603
>I play broken gunline army
Thanks for proving my point, I guess?

>>50906633
imagine the fluff for that, "the tyranids ate so much of a royal familys gold supply the became gold colored.

>>50906619
>Krieg Acerbus, The Axe-Master

Nope.

>>50906641
I'd like to address this for a moment. To your mind, which armies are not "broken"? Where is the line?

I can't fucking pick a Legion to build my CSM into.

Word Bearers are cool with the ability to Your Dudes it up with Marks (BL can too, but fuck no Obsec), but otherwise don't excite me and I personally think zealotry sucks.

Iron Warriors are the main characters of my favorite books, but uninteresting otherwise.

I really feel for all the aligned Primarchs and Legions (except Death Guard and Mortarion), but TS are still overpriced to shit and I don't trust GW to fix it in 8th. EC and WE are on the same level for me personally.

Night Lords and Alpha Legion bore the shit out of me.

So will one of you faggots pick my legion so I can start painting my Christmas presents already?

>>50906101
>bringing a suicidal person back to life
Geeeesh, I wonder how will this end.

>>50906629
i personally am a fan of lictors becuase they look really cool

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>>50905803
Happy Birthday fellow December baby!

Jesus christ trying to auction off models is like being raped by warp daemons. I have a bunch of Tau that I'm selling in squad sizes for about half retail since they are in good condition and because fuck breaking it down smaller than that and a bits box to sell as well and every cunt is like

>Could you sell me two models for 5 dollars
>I just need the weapon X from that tank I'll pay you 10 bucks
>If you strip the paint I'll pay you another 5 bucks
>Could you finish painting them then I'll buy them
>Why is postage so expensive it's just plastic
>I need a weapon x can you go through your bits box to find it I don't want to pay 10 dollars for that massive box of bits
>Why is it so expensive it's second hand

FUCKING CHRIST IM SELLING WHATS IN THE PICTURE FOR THE PRICE, THATS IT FUCK OFF.

>>50906641
>18" range
>Scout
>Crusader

If your tin men aren't stuck in and dying in droves by Turn 2 you're not a true servant of the Omnissiah. Why are you so mad? Your riptides and scatbikes couldn't kill T3 infantry fast enough?

>>50906666
Holy fucking shit those quads. Fuck.

Uh. Legions. Right. Uh.

You already crossed out most of the big ones Anon. What about Alpha Legion?

>>50906682
>why is postage so expensive it's just plastic
Do they want broken models cause thats how you get broken models

>>50906644
>>>50906633
>imagine the fluff for that, "the tyranids ate so much of a royal familys gold supply the became gold colored.
Airbrush em a gradient of purple and gold. Royal hive fleet

>>50906617
Can't help you there sorry mate, that's your choice to make
I personally went for green skin, black carapace with blue highlights and purple fleshy/organ bits.

Just remember not to invest too much time into the little guys, put time into the big guys but you don't want to be investing 1 hour into each little guy unless you really enjoy painting

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>>50906666
Here you go sir quads, I dub this to you.

So as a christmas present, a friend of mine is selling me his old Sisters of Battle army. How good a deal is this for $75? Phrasing his.

> two icon bearers still in the packaging
> sectioned off in the box - battle squads #1 and #2, all primered black
> a grey-primered Priest
> "Canoness w/ Celestian Bodyguard"
> a squad of Dominions
> 10 models for 2 Retributer squads: 5 black, 2 non-primer, 3 grey
> a St. Celestine
> 2 Pentient Engines
> and a 10-woman Seraphim squad

>>50906713
Buy the army, do it now. No question about it.

>>50906666
Those quads demand you to pledge yourself to Slaneesh anon, I'm sorry there's nothing you can do.

>>50906690
Wow. I actually didn't notice until you pointed it out.

I was just bitching about them, the fact is I like all of them. Which is my problem.

The list of ones I'm considering right now is:

Iron Warriors
Word Bearers
World Eaters
Thousand Sons (Gonna be hard since I only have generic CSM)
Death Guard
Emperor's Children

>>50906712
That gave me Emperor's Children.

>>50906737
It is the Dark Gods' will.

Thank you kindly anons, I'm off to buy pink and gold paint.

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>>50906764
Same anon, here's a list I made when I was considering EC earlier this week. Criticisms?

>>50906713
If anyone ever offers to sell you Sisters, always accept. They're rarer than gold, Anon.

>>50905069
I legit don't see the point of taking plasma anymore, maybe it's because I like to get up close but it's so much easier to give everyone the 5 point cheaper meltaguns (those 5 point savings really add up) and then just a little bit of grav.

>>50906781
>needs more Kakaphoni

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I hope you brought knights.

>The resurrection orb is supposed to be the Solar Thermasite.

>>50906094

Because Egyptians put gold one verything.

>>50906792
I take plasma because I play chaos

How to fix wyches.

Wyches can disembark from venoms and raiders that have moved flat out. Doing so forces them to take a dangerous terrain test.

>>50906815

I know. He won't shut up about it. Doesn't mean i think it's a good idea though.

Speaking of the Nightlords, does Krieg Acerbus ever show up in the Heresy era stuff?

Or any of the other characters that would later become Daemon Princes, such as Periclitor?

>>50906814
Shit's illegal, yo, that's 7 troop choices, CAD only allows 6. You wouldn't play unbound, would you anon?

>>50906781
>0 noise marines

>>50906800
I'd take it if it was an Aux, but Warband feels much more versatile. Plus I hate the "this entire legion became the Cult Units" idea.

>>50906837
Read above.

I installed Redium in Chrome but I dont understand how to view these files...

>>50906689
Just addressing the elephant in the room.

>No psykers
>Free buffs and mobility out of nowhere
>Special rules for the special rules god!
>Big robots (monstrous creatures)
>(((((Melee))))) units
>Such smart very technology lore
>Heavy gunlines as stated earlier
>Annoying fanbase

Apart from bullshit formations (and war convo is bullshit) they share alarmingly lot with tau.

>>50906837
>>50906800
The kakophoni is only viable at 2k points. Chaos warband is absurdly good.

>>50906834
He doesn't have a model yet. Only Sevatar, Kheron Ophion, and the big bat himself have rules.

Personally though, I'd just make him a big dude in terminator armour with a big two-handed axe. Then give him the standard Preator with Powerfist/Paragon Blade combo.

How is 2 start collecting IG for a basic bitch army

>20 meat shields
>2 special weapons
>2 leman Russ
>2 commissars I think?

I'd probably throw in some troops on top later and some more heavy weapons.

>>50906824
My dude, you just need to swap your plasma for melta
For every two plasma guns you get three meltas so that's only one less shot!

>>50906878
My raptors and terminators have enough melta to go around, I put plasma on my bikes and some other terminators because it looks cool and is the same points when combied.

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How do we fix synapse
I've always though it should give EW as well as zealot instead of fearless
but warriors and shrikes can join gants and gargs
also raveners can get a synapse prime

also should they still have genestealers in the codex? it doesn't seem to make sense anymore

>>50906910
Synapse needs to boost movespeed for units within in and also for the unit providing it if idk say 20 units are within range.

That way you can actually reach people with hormagaunts without getting ripped apart.

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>>50906800
>>50906837
>>50906854
>>50906864
Same Emperor's Children Anon. Tried to add them.

>>50906910
Hive Tyrants grant EW to all within their synapse, the rest of synapse bugs stay the same.

>>50906934
I think synapse and IB charts need to be strictly buffs, and or working much more like orders.

also I'm going to be heated if malanthropes aren't in the new codex

>>50906946
yeah thats not bad, something I'd like to see on a prime as well
>also carapace/invuln options and a source of FnP

>>50906910
From what I've seen here, it should:
>Give survivability
>Give mobility
>Give killing power
>Allow to ignore leadership
>Have no drawbacks whatsoever.

Honestly I'd make it just a ld bubble like ethereals and move all the other baggage to psychic powers

>>50906831
Their invulnerable save is a normal inv save, freaking death cult assassins have 5++ for fuck sake, rending would be a plus.

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>>50906855

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>>50906878
Alpha legion plasma is better though. First turn 12 inch rapid fire with 5 plasma guns and a combi plasma chosen.

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>>50905803

Happy birthday dude

>>50906138

> One eye on the titties, one eye on the streets

>>50906872
That will be a fine start. I would suggest getting Chimeras for the troops too. That way you could run something like 2 Vet squads in Chimeras, Commissar Lord and 2 Russes.

>>50907023
not when you have to roll for shit, maybe if you could buy powers again. what drawbacks should it really have?
IB makes the whole horde type of army useless without having the sources be survivable save a flyrant.
but I guess it doesn't matter cause they'l just fuck it up

>>50906858
>No Psykers
And?

>Free buffs and mobility
They don't have transports so it's kinda necessary, they're already hosed in objective missions as is, any army that can take DTs is much more mobile

>Special Rules
Every army has special rules, it's what makes them distinct

>Big Robots
True, but so what? It's one unit out of 13 (15 with Forge World Secutarii)

>Jew Units
Ruststalkers are for bullying shit that doesn't have High S Low AP CC, they're situationally okay. Other than that, you're right.

>Such smart very technology
It's presented as arcane, occult, insular and backwards, almost the complete antithesis of Tau. Mad Science, not noblebright.

>Heavy Gunlines
True

>Annoying Fanbase
:^) all jokes aside, the guy complaining about AdMech isn't wrong, really, I'm just bored so I want something to talk about.

War Convocation is egregious bullshit so I don't play it, but it is something that exists (I'd say Elimination Maniple is more anti-fun, desu)

>>50907041
oh thats my issue, I dont hjave the apps button there... whatever i got a workaround by creating a short cut on my desktop..

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>>50905186
Genestealer cult

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>>50907125
1. Right click bookmarks bar
2. Toggle show apps shortcut

>>50906858

Are we really that annoying? Moreso than any other fanbase? Cause i feel like all of us can be kinda irritating personally.

>>50907115
I think everyone agrees that this guy is a bad player, because Admech are a pretty hard army to play correctly. They're very squishy and have a lot of moving parts. Jam one and its liable to fuck up the whole machine.

Also, War Convocation is bullshit, utterly so. I'm even building towards one and I hate myself for it. I would much rather run a bunch of Kastelans in a Cohort Cybernetica and flank it with a bunch of Vanguards.

But that's not what wins, above 1500 or so points.

Or so I've heard. I've never even played a single game, yet.

>>50906858
>(((((Melee))))) units

Anybody that shit talks Infiltrators or Dragoons can get the fuck out of my face

So I'm new to the game and am starting my to put together my Orks army. I was wondering, do Orks get special rules or anything for being one specific faction?

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>>50907150
Oh, I think I see heresy!

Yeah, I've got a raging heresy over that way!

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>>50907157
>bookmarks bar

Like I said, I got a desktop shortcut its fine.

>>50907174
No. Sadly Orks get nothing. Ever. Poor Orks.

>>50906269
bump

>>50907184

You got Forgeworld stuff, then it made kids everywhere get mad and ban your Forgeworld stuff.

>>50907174
I don't wanna break your heart, Anon, but no. Orkz are at the bottom of the totem pole currently. They don't get a lot of things that are both fun AND useful.

>>50907171

Infiltrators do well, and i've had some lovely games with dragoons, but ruststalkers underpreform for me. The most i've ever managed to do with them was haywire a land raider to death with their grenades.

>>50906269
Are you asking 'what can you convert a Carnifex into'? Nothing. Tyranids don't really lend themselves to converting, since they're all sort of supposed to look the same.

>>50907202
I think that's their purpose. Light vehicle/walker hunting and maybe mopping up light infantry.

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>>50906858
>No psykers
They have imperial agents for that
>Free buffs and mobility out of nowhere
Both come with glaring drawbacks, no vehicles or way to move your units beyond foot slogging and imperatives come with drawbacks to their other abilities
>Special rules for the special rules god!
At least not so bullshit as the atheist blue fishmen special rules and gear
>Big robots (monstrous creatures)
>being butthurt about kastellans
>(((((Melee))))) units
Almost every unit in the admech can carry their own weight in CC, only exception being the onager dunecrawler
>Such smart very technology lore
Fuck you, really this is the most stupid shit you've mentioned until now
>Heavy gunlines as stated earlier
>implying we aren't stuck in the shooting edition
>implying mechanicus can't defend itself pretty well in the assault phase
>Annoying fanbase
Here is your (you)
>Apart from bullshit formations (and war convo is bullshit) they share alarmingly lot with tau.
They have literally one bullshit formation that isn't bullshit standards nowadays unlike Tau and admech are more mobile than the fucking static line of bullshit monstrous and gargantuan creatures the Tau have.

4/10 made me reply

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>>50907174
Maybe they'll get Clan specific rules in the future. But no, nothing for now.

>>50907202
Ruststalkers are too fragile to be any good, but if they ever got an assault transport they would rape.

If you manage to get them stuck in against Terminators they will rape face however.

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>Play GSC

>Friend tailors against me every single game by including flamers on every thing

Sigh

>>50907164
With Flesh Tearer Taxi Co. gutted by the FAQ, War Convo isn't the greatest at the moment. Tau, Eldar, GSC, SM, Tzeentch Daemons, and even CSM (Traitor Legions DG, AL, maybe NL) can all build stronger lists at 1850, at that point you're taking as many grav kataphrons as you can without gimping the rest of your list and praying that your opponents fail their cover saves.

If you're not playing against tournament-grade lists you won't need a War Convo to have good games, even if (gasp) you don't win all the time, just take lots of models and don't be upset when they die. If you like the army you'll end up with a War Convo anyway, even if you never play it.

>>50906833
Gold necrons would be baller, why you against him having a baller army?

>>50907267

I've heard the anti terminator claim before, but i'm just not seeing it. Course my local meta has no marines since K left and he didn't field em, so i've never actually played against termies. Explain?

>>50907239

>Just ally for psykers!

That still doesn't mean the faction has psykers. You also didn't really respond to any of his comparisons with anything more than a NUH UH. They are both long range shooty tech people with monstrous creature robots and an infamous formation. There's a fair bit of similarity.

Also

>Admech are more mobile than Tau

Nigga you iz a ridiculous little bitch.

>>50907279
Yeah that's my exact point. War Convocation is kind of all we got at the high end point scale. Before then it's A-OK. Anything goes.

>>50907239
yeah I run war convo and its kinda not that fun after the first 2-3 games
>2 melee knights with 2 turns of shrouded is good

>>50907297
Their CC weapons are rending at-init during the first turn of combat, and ap2 at-init during the 2nd or later. The theory is that they would chew through terminators on turn 2+. The practice is that terminators will kill so many of them that you either win on turn 1, or don't have the attacks to take them out after.

>>50907278
It's worth doing, and it's not like it's not costing him in other areas/against other people. Unless you two are the only ones who play each other, at which point he's just started an arms race.

>>50907297
You can deliver a truckload ap2 insta wound on 6s in the first turn, and all of them in subsequent rounds.

Then the ruststalkers die because they're made of paper. But in my experience they usually kamikaze the termies fast. Infiltrators are miles better

>>50906094
Oh god gold is THE colour that exemplifies the concept of thin your paints

>>50907297
Ruststalkers and Termies will wipe each other out by the second round of combat, power fists or lightning claws will rape the 'Stalkers and the 'Stalkers rending turn one, AP2 turn two will rape the termies. It's mutually assured destruction.

>>50907229
Ruststalkers kill anything (anything!) that can't bypass their armor and FnP. Any infantry squad that's not specifically kitted out for CC will die, any dedicated CC unit will eat the 'Stalkers, that's how it goes. Tacticals, Guardsmen, etc, etc, any and all random scrubs are toast, 4+/5++ 2W is durable if they have no way around your saves.

How are skitarii considered mobile?

So in contrast to the War Convocation, how good is the Cohort Mechanicus or whatever that second huge AdMec formation is called in comparison? It's obviously worse, because 'lol free wargear' but it must have SOME niche, right?

I much prefer the units used in the Cohort visually and would prefe to use it if there is any chance that it might work.

>>50907406
Librarius Conclave + Gate of Infinity :^)

>>50907420
>using psykers in an AdMech army

>>50907406
They are mobile because of Scout and Crusader compared to other infantry footsloggers. They're still far slower than any army with transports, but have the advantage of being able to move their everything a mot faster, not just infantry.

Are company comand on bikes good for a kill team (or bikes in general)p

>>50907298
>Just ally for psykers!
>That still doesn't mean the faction has psykers. You also didn't really respond to any of his comparisons with anything more than a NUH UH. They are both long range shooty tech people with monstrous creature robots and an infamous formation. There's a fair bit of similarity.
The admech do have psyker, they are mentioned in the heart of rage short story were an magos biologist try to hijack a Tyranid hive ship, they currently don't have this because at the moment both admech books are more akin to harlequins, they aren't made for stand alone forces but as allies for other armies, so fuck of bitch.
>Also
>>Admech are more mobile than Tau
>Nigga you iz a ridiculous little bitch.
Yes they're more mobile, the chicken robots are super fast along with rustalkers and the other stalker unit, lastly all of them are relentless and can move forward and shoot without problems, the Tau monster walkers can but remain stationary because they're faggots.

>>50907438

We have a Kill Team thread up.

But aren't company command HQ?

Bikes are great in KT, though. Higher toughness is great and their mobility is excellent. They can be expensive, so can suffer from boys vs. toys, but I think an all-bike team is a feasible option.

>>50907406
Have you ever seen how fast a Sidonian Dragoon moves?

>>50907411
Cohort Cybernetica is meme-tier, you'll never die to shooting but you'll also never win on objectives. Wulfen, Nurgle Daemons, and Crimson Slaughter Possessed (not memeing, honest, in the formation where they get all their buffs if they're in combat) will straight-up beat you, and so will anything else that hits before you and ignores your armor. Take Elimination Maniple instead.

>>50907471
I don't mean the Cybernetica, I mean the second big mixed formation that uses multiple Castelans and Dunecrawlers but no Knight.

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>>50907411
You mean this one? No one ever talks about it. I actually forgot it existed. It looks pretty badass, giving the Canticles to everyone, and has a decent mix of things. That 4++ invuln and the BS/WS+3 could totally wreck if you use it at the right time.

>>50907469
Chickens are fast as fuck, but they're also fragile as fuck. They either die to a mean look or carry the game on their own, there's no middle ground.

>>50907485
It's crap.Way too expensive. You can't even fit it naked in an 1850 game.

>>50907485
>Taking electropriests
>Taking a formation that's almost 2000 points naked
>Playing a 'take one of everything with no thought given to synergy' garbagebin 'formation' a GW hack threw together to sell online bundles

I don't know anon, you tell me.

>>50907537
To be fair on your last point, the Skitarii Battle Maniple is just that and usual makes the War Convo into one of those formations, too.

>>50907278
Ally a few Tyranids monsters and watch him panic as he doesn't have shit against them.

>>50907278
I mean, it depends how many people you all play. If it's just you two playing different armies here and there, it's hard not to tailor the list against that army. I can see why it would be annoying, and that's why I often make all rounder lists so that I'm not ready to stomp anyone specifically and no one can call me out that I tailored my list to shit on theirs. It's hard to get someone to get into that mindset if their mindset is basically "well I know what anon is going to play so I'm going to make a list based on that".

Do you do that with whatever army he is playing?

>>50907444
tau have jet pack moves
tau have access to deep strike
tau has enough range where mobility doesnt matter
tau has a wall that moves forward with units (broadsides) on it and cover saves of 6 from it cause a hit on the shooting unit

rust stalkers are fast, but you have to constantly hide them and they are a waste of points
infiltrators can infiltrate so thats mobile, I'll give you that
dunestriders are fast sure, but can you really bitch about such a cool unit?
rangers have move through cover, but are very outclassed by vanguard and are more fit for camping in cover anyway

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>>50906712
>IW = edgelords
This needs to have legionaries thrown at it

>>50907582
there is still the formation that gives them +3 to every movement.
not bad really, i've had it fuck me over as Infiltrators walked up a bitchslapped a ten man out out existence.

>>50907596
+3 to every movement is built into Ruststalkers and Infiltrators by default, the formation lets the Ruststalkers run and charge in the same turn once per game.

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>>50907582
Nobody ever uses Tau mobility for anything but kiting their gunline backwards to get away from melee units

>>50907575
No one takes Battle Maniple unless they're playing War Convo, Ruststalkers are a tax and you usually want more than one unit of Vanguard

>>50907617
The good ol' days of Fish of Fury are forever lost to us, alas, we struggle through the darkness now, harassed by jump-shoot-jump riptides every step of the way.

>>50907596
dunestrider gives +3" movement
stalkers, infiltrators and, chickens have that rule.
sicarian killclade, that lets you run and charge after the first turn. but thats way overpriced and no one takes it

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So how's this go for a 1500 non cheese list? I kinda wanted to still go the route of 'include everything' because I like all of them, to be quite honest. No idea who I'd make the Warlord though.

>>50907617
is that not mobility? also deepstriking shooty units count as mobile forces
I guess they have skimmers and shit too

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>>50907617
It's a dream of mine to find and play one of those "close combat" tau. I'm sure they exist offline but no idea where. one day.

>>50905164
When his brainmatter that was on a wall of a planet that blew up from 10k years ago reforms from atomization.

>>50907678
I'm one of them.

My army includes no weapons with more than 36" range, and those are my AA guns. Suits and infantry no longer than 24", and my commander/bodyguards are a melee unit.

>>50907683
He died on Tsagualsa, not Nostramo.
As far as I'm aware that dust ball is still around.

>>50907667
drop rust stalkers, and only put acute senses on infiltrators
add vanguard and atleast 1 more chicken walker
Rangers can also be nice for grabbing objectives and against xenos

>this is a boys over toys army. take the upgrades you NEED or are must haves
>Icarus array, phosphor blasters, infoslave skull, omnispex, (and possibly data-tethers if you have points)

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>painting Night Lords because love jump units
>also like the dark blue and lightning
>cant talk about lists because of one autistic faggot

>>50907667
Drop the Ruststalkers, swap the Icarus Array and Manipulator for a Neutron Laser, drop the conversion/refractor fields from the Vanguard squads, take two more vanguard squads, and an extra Dragoon if there's still points for it. Dataseer should be the Warlord, he's the most survivable model in the list.

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>>50907692
shame you're probably not where i'm at

>>50907506
Don't forget how sometimes they don't die but also don't kill everything. You know, the middle ground.

>>50907667
I don't think you're barking up the wrong tree, but I think the Dominus Maniple is too good to pass up.

>>50907745
Nope. I'm one of three players in a 150-mile radius in the middle of nowhere.

Why did the Sons of Horus change their name to the Black Legion?

>>50907735
You should wait until Curze comes back at the Fall of Cadia (as he is the true Prophet of the 8th) before you post a NL list anyway.

>>50907582
Tau have all that but never truly use it, skitarii have less but tries to be more mobile, Tau are static faggots despite their army mobility.

>>50907735
Why are you letting autism affect what you can do?

I think night Lords are one of the more interesting decurions, because guaranteed night fighting is cool, and having a raptor talon be your main force is also interesting.

>>50907757
Horus was a weakling and a fool

It was up to Abbadon to cleanse the shame of him from the legion

>>50907753
dang, well the next time i'm in the middle of nowhere i'll be sure to seek out a 40k player

>>50907757
They couldn't handle losing

>>50907676
>is that not mobility?
No because they only use it to put their units back out of LoS, they only move to go back their previous spot with the jsj movement.

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>>50907729
Well, one of these days I'm gonna try out Ruststalkers, but yeah, I agree that Infiltrators are nasty. Are Dragoons better alone or in a squad of two?
>>50907738
I was told often enough that Icarus array is abour the only way to go for a lone Dunecrawler, and that it'd be wise to give him IWND so he can actually do his job without dying. I suppose that's factoring in the whole 'I'm against flyers' part though.

How's this look? Thought about what I could include for 80 points. Either a squad of rangers or a 3rd Dragoon.

>>50907748
If two Dragoons kill their points' worth in vehicles they're MVPs, they don't have to kill EVERYTHING to facilitate victory, they just have to charge the right units at the right time.

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>>50907778
I just wish there was a way to get them on the board turn one.
Hard to take advantage of their bonus cover saves when they can't be there turn one.

>>50907778

The problem is filling the Auxillary with something that isn't spawn, also I'd rather run a Warband because ObSec is better than disordered charging from Deep strike. Also, CAD gives me ObSec Raptors, too.

What's kinda sad is that I wish the Talon WASN'T core, so I could run Talon+Warband.

>>50907763
Don't you see you're ruining that anon joy for his army worth your faggotry? Fuck off.

>>50907827
Is English your second language?

>>50907815
You can run talon plus warband, with a spawn tax.

>>50907797
You should take the Onager and a Vanguard and make a Dominus maniple out of them. Get the points from axing the Rangers.

Techpriest Dominus is an extremely boss HQ and getting twin linked on your Onager and Vanguard is great.

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>>50907827
what the fuck am i reading.

How do you deal with wraiths as codex space marines?

What do I do if I love skitarii, but hate the look of admech forces?

>>50907797
dragoons are best in units of 4-5 honestly.
and best in a warconvo since they get a 2+ cover save for 2 turns
icarus is the way to go, remember it works on flyers and 1 is interceptor. and forget the IWND if someone shoots at it they will kill it in 1 turn

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>>50907845
Was already making that right after I made the other one. Shame I had to drop a Dragoon too but I believe in his lonesome self. Are special weapons ever worth taking on Vanguards outside of War Convo? Arc Rifles seem really neat but all of the extras are so expensive.

>>50907854
overkill the shit out of the spyder
>just to be sure

>>50907856
Convert yourself some neophytes, guard or stormtroopers.
in the old day you got guardsmen and gave themm full helmets and a bit more armour.
also if you go guard rout elongate the guns with plastic card

>>50907872
>units of 4-5 dragoons
Dragoons are so bizarre in that their point cost is basically their dollar cost as well. It's nonsense, I tell you.

>>50907839
Yes, I'm also sleep deprived and posting from a tablet, I hope you can forgive me for my gramatical mistakes.

>>50907856
What do you like about them if not for the look?

>>50907876
just go with the ballistari instead of the dragoon

>>50907876
They are good but honestly the Kataphrons are going to throw out so much Grav fire I wouldn't pay those high prices for them. Plasma particularly in the Dominus maniple is great (because Twin Linked) but at what, 25 points a gun? Not worth it. That's really one of the best things about war convo - Skitarii's ludicrous expensive wargear is suddenly free.

>>50907854
Grav the shit out of him.

>>50907894
I love the look of skiitari. The only admech stuff I like the look of is the tech priest. I think a war convocation is pretty neat to build towards.

Is a war convocation with the minimum amount of ad mech good? That would be one tech priest and two frightfully ugly kataphrons.

>>50907876
You're double paying for the Onager's heavy stubber. It's free with the Neutron.

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Whats your favourite aspect warrior /tg/? I'm talking fluff. not crunch.

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>>50907797
Manipulator is a trap upgrade, it's only a 1/3 chance to heal a single hull point and it can't fix weapon destroyed results, it's only worth it in War Convo, because then it's free. Whether you need the Icarus Array depends on your local meta.

You can trim another 20 points by dropping the Serpentas on the chickens, you already have a ton of Luminagen in that list because of Elim. Maniple. If you cut the Rangers out you could field another 2 chickens, since you'd have 100 points to spare.

If you don't want to field 4 dragoons, shaving the conversion field off the Infiltrator Princeps would free up 110 pts total, which you could spend on a Techpriest Dominus, meaning you could field the Onager and a squad of Vanguard with him in a Dominus Maniple and still legally field everything else as well.

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I plan on moving things around in the future for drop pods but this is what I currently have on me now

Main things I have questions about are the best uses for a rune priest, and proper loadouts for a wolf guard terminator squad in a raider

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>>50907735
Hey! You! Yeah you! Timid Night Lords dude, let's all ignore that Curze shitposter, and instead post our nice NL lists we have been coming up with :)
Mine is short of 70 points, anyone have any idea?

>>50907933

God do I like Warp Spiders. I wish they had better models, though.

After that, it's Shadow Spectres because I have to be a special snowflake, and Dire Avengers take the bronze.

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>>50907933
it's weird, fluxating between Shining spears, darkreapers and swooping hawks.

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>>50907929
Nah you can give him another one. And at 5 points that's a 1/3rd chance of weapon destroyed.
>>50907935
Yeah that's a fair decision. What about the updated Dominus list I put up there? I think it's pretty solid. I might have gotten cheeky and got the Scryerskull but I think it'll help a lot with the Destroyers and whatnot.

>>50907929
You can pay 5pts and get a second one, it's worth it to protect against weapon destroyed, plus you get more stubber shots

>>50907948
nevermind, just solved my own problem. Move the oblits up to the Murder Talon in a Cult of destruction, removing that spawn tax for extra oblits.

>>50907886
true, but it some cases money can almost buy happiness
again warconvo+double knight+3-5 dragoons+shroudpsalmx2=smiles