Warcraft Lore and RPG Discussion

>when Warcraft is dead

>>50884431
That's fine. Death is inevitable. Join the Scourge today!

>>50885249
My life for Ner'zhul!

>>50885249

I don't dig their style in WoW. Too mechanical.

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Daily reminder that priests are all sluts and probably death cultists who are too busy dropping ultra LSD in their space cave to contribute anything of value to the universe.

This is canon.

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>>50886847
Even Shadow Priests?

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>>50887269
Especially shadowpriests.

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>Absolutely love this game
>Try to play it without cheating
>Lose every single time.
>At some point I just insta-win every mission that plays like an RTS so I can do the ones where you have a set number of guys VS. NPCs.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v9Ya3DsFbHE

Where was this song in Wrath? It was Arthas' WC3 theme (and a sweet one too).

>2017
>centaurs still dont matter


>>50890345
nowhere in wow

>>50890970
>>2017
>>centaurs still dont matter
>Asuna
>instead of Demon Hunters or Blue Dragons you should grind reputation with ghost cucks

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>>50887725
There is actually no confirmation that Deathwing is Wrathion's father, and not just granddad. Mind that Sintharia was the only mate of post WotA Deathwing to survive mating with him, and she was scarred for life.

>>50884431
it will get raised as two skeleton warriors for 60 seconds.
God damn, I loved my meat wagon and necromancer combo.

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When is Blizzard gonna release a new Warcraft TTRPG in a system that isn't complete shit?

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>>50893570
Wrathion refers to Deathwing as "my father" because he was created by red dragon experimentation on eggs and dead whelps and has no single father. It's mostly symbolic.

Deathwing "mating" the rear half of sintharia off was not, however, symbolic and absolutely fucking hilarious

>>50887352
For every song we sing there are countless amalgams of eyelashes joined forever in the womb of our stars waiting for the chance to be whole again?

>>50882724
So wow gameplay representation ignored, how many mok'nathal are in the horde? And wouldn't they be the best race to breed for fighting stock, they are smaller but smarter ogres, and wod while retarded did show us how draenor worked, and how widespread orcs and ogres are surely warriors like rexxar must be more common

And where the fuck was the clan, if frostfire/gorgrond was blades edge, where is everything

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What's the deal with Warcraft elves and running around barefoot? It's super common with the Nightborne too, Thalyssra and Valtrois both do it.

>>50895013
whats the deal with wearing shoes?

>>50895073

They protect and keep your feet warm

>>50895013
magic.
Night elves wear shoes all the fucking time though.

>>50882724
German player here

I find it curious. Arthas' VA in the German dub of Warcraft 3was re-hired to do Forsaken NPCs in Vanilla, but when WotLK dropped they all but forgot him. They probably wanted somebody closer to Heitz, for whatever fucking reason. They didn't care about copying Metzen's Thrallvoice in W3 and it gave the character a distinct spin in tonality.

>>50882724
I wish there was more stuff onlin about the old TCG. Just found a lot of cards in my old house and i was thinking of collecting some to play with my roomates since it seems pretty fun.
Anyone got any knowledge about it? Like decent links, rules or something like that?

>>50895280

Some do, some don't.

Also unrelated to his post, I see a shitload of people who use the Grifta's Authentic Troll shoes to be barefoot nowadays. What's that about?

You know what would have improved Warcraft lore tremendous? If the draenei weren't so damn forgiving.

Making them these super-wise, we-only-exist-to-fight-the-ultimate evil makes them really boring. I want to see them having a seething hatred for the blood elves. The moment they realize there's orcs on Azeroth, I want them to try to exterminate them. They shouldn't be wise and noble and perfect. They should be fervent crusaders aimed on destroying anything the legion has ever touched and asking questions later.

Also they shouldn't have shamans, that completely undercuts their whole "the Light's chosen race" thing. Fuck that.

>>50896803
You're on to something there. They are extremely removed from the world personality wise, which leaves very litle in the sense of relatability.

Which is why I love the mean streets of gadgetzan cards with them. Draenei having little vices that lead to bigger vices that lead to a life of organised crime in morally grey areas. I know it's pretty tryhard edgy, but having some Draenei fall from grace with indifference is exactly what they needed, in a way. Some selfishness, something that makes them mammallian, for all I care.

>>50896575

Feet are cute

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>>50896803

>If the draenei never existed*

Fixed.

>>50896575

They used to be only available during the Troll rebellion in MoP, but they made them available again to purchase during the quest right before the Broken Shore on Horde-side.

Alliance side you can get a cosmetic white cloth hood for all armor types. It actually has a mini questline associated with it.

Both items are available to both factions, but acquiring them is faction specific.

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>>50894907
This is the moment you realize how much of a clusterfuck WoD was. Thereare several reasons on why Mok'Nathal were not included:
1) Devs forgot content from TBC, which lead to making Fenris Wolfbrother into oldest son of Garad of Frostwolves Clan, and none of his sons is named Garm, while in TBC, in BEM in Thunderlord Stronghold, there is ghost of Garm Wolfbrother <Last Chieftain of the Thunderlord Clan>, who even happened to be Mag'har.
2) Mok'Nathal were either wiped out for refusing to join, or completely assimilated into main structure of the Iron Horde, while losing any cultural separation (even if that makes no sense)
3) They, like the entire zone of Farahlon, did not fit into the theme of expansion, and thus ended up excluded from it (Laughing Skull Clan was supposed to be in Farahlon, not Gorgorond)

>>50895013
>Ogre-Magi
>4 eyes in total
>Horned head has 2 instead of a single eye
>Tattooed/painted (?) X that is mimicking a scar that Cho'Gall got from Rend and Maim Blackhand during the battle on the Lost Isles, around the Tomb of Sargeras
2/10

>>50894907

Ogres in general view non-Ogres as weak slave races. Even when they lose they still hold to their superiority complex. Mar'gok's arrangement with Grom was incredibly insulting to him.

Even main universe Ogres aren't all that friendly with Orcs. Mok'nathal developed as a clan because they were viewed as mistakes, so they tended to cling together. They're rare because Orc and Ogres killed each other far more often than they bonded in friendship.

>>50897417

Mok'nathal in BC simply didn't give a fuck. I think it's more likely they didn't give a fuck either in WoD either so never showed up beyond Rexxar's appearance.

>>50896803
>muh grimdark crusaders
No, fuck that. Draenei can be plenty interesting as they are, it's just that the writers never bother to DO anything with them. Shitting them up with edginess isn't going to fix that problem.

>>50897417
Seriously though, how the fuck did WoD ever even make it past the "Hey guys here's an idea" stage?
The entire concept on its own is terrible and cringeworthy even before the absolutely abysmal execution of it.

>>50898021
It's not about edginess. It's about giving them motivations do actually do shit in Azeroth.
It's easy with Legion being the current xpac to forget the Draenei just sit there and do nothing whenever the Legion isn't involved.
The writers never do anything with them because they can't do anything with them.

>>50898420

Because Blizzard created them amd immediately wrote them into a corner, they never had a chance to be interesting. Being the refugee population who's primary goal is the defeat a big bad army out in the space-dark isn't really a good premise for a playable race. They're bland and will always be bland because they're one trick ponies with no personality and a lot of rule 34 fanart.

>>50898659
Which is exactly why they need to be deus vult-ing their way across Kalimdor

>>50898420
Sure they can. They've been shown to have a lot of goodwill, curiosity and drive to help the Alliance. They're pious, but less superstitious about it than humans. They're finding their feet in a new world (they've barely been around for 10 years, remember), getting to know its places and peoples. They'd be right with the Explorer's League if the writers would just let them, and that's just the first thing that springs to mind.

Basically, take their attitude in Azuremyst and Bloodmyst and give that to draenei explorers and adventurers all over the place. They'd get along swimmingly with tauren, dwarves and gnomes, albeit in different ways. Let them be a streak of weary idealism in the Alliance, always ready to help a stranger, translate an ancient manuscript or see a new horizon, despite all the horrors they've seen.

>>50898388
The idea of time travel to pre-Outland Draenor is pretty good in itself. The timeline being not exactly the same allows for some nice variety from original plot.
Also, some characters got nice expanded backstory, especially Blackhand's was good.

Overall execution, on the other hand, was absolutely awful. Plotlines that ended up without conclusions (Cho'Gall being shoehorned into heroic Highmaul without any explanation what were his plans or who were his new Masters), not including zones fans were hyped about (Farahlon), forcing player hubs to be in PvP zone instead of captured fortresses that people wanted as capitals of Alliance/Horde in Draenor during beta (not listening to player feedback), going full dindu (I hate this word, but unfortunately there is no word that can accurately enough describe that ending) at the end (Grommash is treated as if he didn't tried to genocide all other races on Draenor, because Gul'dan captured him and hijacked Iron Horde, making it Legion aligned).

>>50898881
Maybe it's just me, but I got as far into the initial announcement as "LOL TIMETRAVEL EXPANSION" before it reeked of unmitigated disaster. The whole concept is unnecessarily convoluted and screams of writers running out of ideas. It feels like a plot lifted from an awful episode of the original Star Trek.

It never made sense to begin with why Garrosh wasn't just executed. Hell, why wasn't he killed in SoO -in fact, why does it seem like the bosses of raids are never actually killed in the raid? What's even the point then?
I love the Warcraft universe, but the writing of WoW is really unbearable at this point. There's a new most powerful thing in the universe every 5 minutes and every villain has about a dozen "haha, you only thought I was dead!" moments. It's campy as hell and feels like an 8 year old playing with action figures.

>>50895013
As a GM and writer, its foot fetishists. Its a fetish you can show off right in the open and nobody bats an eye because they don't think its "fetishy". It also has a few tropes attached to it and that is what most people think when the barefoot warrior appears.If you were to include something like futas or an over abundance of pregnant women, its traveling right into someone's magical realm.

Someone or some people on the warcraft team have a foot fetish.

>>50899093

They put a lot of their fetishes into the game. Transformation s also in there CONSTANTLY.

>>50897310

Foot fetish though honestly.

>>50899000
I'm right there with you. The concept of WoD, along with the prospect of no new content for a year, is what made me quit WoW. Everything I've heard after that has only further convinced me I made the right move.

>>50894605
My friend runs it using some 5e hack. It does the job fairly well but it's very very alpha, doesn't help that my friend isn't a great GM either.
Personally I'm not even sure what system would be suitable.

>>50898388
They wanted to milk nostalgia for the movie, and needed a Gul'dan for Legion.

>>50896803

> You know what would have improved Warcraft lore tremendous? If the draenei weren't so damn forgiving.

>Implying you can be an important Alliance race without being largely superhero fags who never kill the Joker after he gasses a kindergarten

>>50899000

> It never made sense to begin with why Garrosh wasn't just executed. Hell, why wasn't he killed in SoO -in fact, why does it seem like the bosses of raids are never actually killed in the raid? What's even the point then?

Blizzard found out that they were running low on memorable villains. Same case for the "all demons respawn in Nether" retcon.

>>50901361
>implying that the real problem isn't that the Horde has been turned into the Joker

>>50882724
Where's the spot in WoW near the Barrens/Stonetalon that Cairne caused that avalanche that stopped the centaur? Or did Blizzard forget about that too?

>>50899000
The problem is that the execution was awful. Sure, it's pretty cool to explore early Draenor, but when it includes a lot of unfinished work, areas, and plotlnes, it only leaves bad aftertaste.

>>50901866
Blizzard forgot about it / purposely disregarded it when they designed the Barrens differently from Warcraft 3's Map.

Speaking of earlier maps:

I sometimes get the feeling that the maps and geographical information from Warcraft 2 are more sensible than those from Warcraft 3 and those from Warcraft 3 more than WoW.

I understand that in order to create engaging gameplay, designing a region in such a way that it doesn't become tiring in the visual aspect even after questing there for several hours on end is crucial, however I fail to see how old metrics have had to be thrown overboard for this when they technically were more or less just outlines, anyway. Most everything else in the landscape would still have been open for interpretation.

>>50901832

>pretending the Horde hasn't been the Joker since Vanilla

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>>50900876
Might be fun for a bit, better than the mess of a 3e adaptation the original was

>>50905125
In Vanilla it was pretty even, actually.

They started sliding in BC.

>>50898388
Movie promotion expansion. Grom, Kargath, Durotan, and Gul'dan all look the same in both the game and the movie.

>>50905461
>grom in 2 scenes, no lines
>kargath in 1 scene background
>gul dan is a ripped wizard not a frail warlock
>wod blackhand looks NOTHING like movie blackhand

It was a very loose movie promotion

>>50905461
That seems kind of a stretch. They only based Kargath on his WoD design because it's his most recent appearance.

Also he wasn't in the background a total of once I believe.

>>50896803
>Making them these super-wise, we-only-exist-to-fight-the-ultimate evil makes them really boring. I want to see them having a seething hatred
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t6LIty6Uea4

>>50908018
It's at least the start. One of the few things WoD did well was that it at least put the draenei in the spotlight for a bit for once.
But that doesn't undo them sitting around and doing nothing for Wrath, Cata, and Mists.

>>50908102
>ywn be a Draenei
>ywn go to prevent the fate that befell your people in the normal timeline
>ywn fight for the Light across Draenor
>ywn succeed in saving hundreds, even thousands of lives

>ywn see the alternate version of your younger self
>ywn find them among the Sargerei
>ywn look in horror at your own face, twisted by the Fel into a vicious mockery of everything you hold dear
>ywn brush off their attempts to sway you to the darkness
>ywn suffer as the long nights drag on, and all you can dream of is the day you were forced to kill yourself
>ywn awaken with a start each day, the sound of your own wicked laughter in your ears, the knowledge that you could have become the very demons you fight refusing to leave you in peace

>ywn find out who exactly the Horde sent to command their garrison
>ywn find an old, green orc standing there, talking to a younger Mag'har
>ywn approach him and introduce yourself
>ywn learn that he is trying to convince his younger self, who he has taken prisoner, to defect from the Iron Horde
>ywn ask about the look of pity and guilt in his eyes when he looks at you, which is clearly far more specific than an orc who simply feels guilty for the actions of the Old Horde could have
>ywn hear him answer that the last time he saw you, you were so small, too small and too young to remember
>ywn ask more, only for him to fall into a slump and admit in an empty monotone that he was the one who murdered your parents in front of you, and only did not kill you because a Vindicator snatched you away in the nick of time
>ywn hear him practically wheeze that he would order his garrison and everyone in it with his last breath to let you go in peace if you were to kill him right then and there

>>50908102
Blizzard seems to have forgotten about half the races in the game. Worgen were almost literally forgotten about past their starting zone. Gnomes have been trying to reclaim their capitol city for years. Trolls weren't relevant even when Vol'Jin was Warchief. Tauren seem to be more associated with the Earthen Ring and Cenarion Circle more than they are the Horde.

Basically if you're not Orc, Human, or Forsaken Blizz doesn't really give a shit about you.

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So, now that Helya's dead, what's going to happen to Helheim and all those Helarjar/Val'kyr?

>>50908682
They'll either be completely forgotten by Blizz, or most/some of them will join the Forsaken at the end of the expac.

>>50908682
Honestly I think it's a safe bet to assume Odyn would have them all killed.

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>>50908272
Wait, if the MU draenei's parents were killed by the Horde when he/she was still a child, and WoD takes place about two years after the time the Horde would be formed in the original timeline, wouldn't the AU draenei also be a little child?

vo'ljin shouldn't have died. he died just so they could get a strong female character as warchief

>>50909124
>the two chillest of the four original Horde leaders are dead
Feels bad man.

>>50909124
>he died just so they could get a strong female character as warchief

keep /pol/ in /pol/ pls

>>50909124
>vo'ljin shouldn't have died. he died just so they could get a strong female character as warchief
>mfw they killed off the last Saurfang to give the most Mary sue character in warcraft a leader position.

>>50909124
Sylvanas became warchief not because she's le stronk womyn, but because she's Kosak's waifu.

>>50908565

But Blizzard doesn't really care about non-Stormwind Humans either. At least for the Alliance.

>Most Human countries are either dead, neutral, or monsters
>Elements of Human civilization are dumped on other species
>Silver Hand neutral
>Humans ruled by cucks

>>50910286
What surprise is it that humans are ruled by cucks?
>be Azerothian Human
>get cucked by orcs

>be Stromgarde Human
>get cucked by Ogres and other Humans

>be Dalaran Human
>get cucked by Orcs and Scourge

>be Lordaeron Human
>get cucked by Orcs and Scourge

>be Gilnean Human
>get cucked by Forsaken

>be Alterac Human
>ally with Orcs to not get cucked by them
>get cucked by Humans instead

>be Kul Tiras Human
>get cucked by a Mok'nathal and his band of misfits

>be Theramore Human
>get cucked by mana bombs

Humans exist to be cucked.

>>50910433
>cucked
You keep using that word. I don't think it means what you think it means.

>>50910618
>implying cuck hasn't become a meaningless buzzword like faggot by now

>>50908931
You'd HOPE so.

You'd HOPE so.

But if Fel can artifically age things, and Gul'dan or the Sargerei know you're there?

>>50894605
Never. It would allow one person to buy one book and play with all of their friends for free forever during time that all of them could instead spend playing WoW, which each must individually subscribe to. Modern Blizzard will never go for it.

>>50910433
>>50910618
>be /pol/ Human
>get cucked by calling everything cuck and making everyone cringe

>>50908725
>or most/some of them will join the Forsaken at the end of the expac.
Why?

>>50909124
Vol'jin is heavily implied to be returning in some form or another in the future

>>50910433
If there was any indication cuck doesn't mean anything by this point

>>50911535
Because they're undead with nowhere to go, and Sylvanas has been looking for val'kyr. Welp, a ton of them just became jobless.

>>50908900
This could be, but I think it would take awhile to wipe them out. Helya head been collecting souls for tens of thousands of years. There's a lot of dead giant dudes down there.

>>50911960
>Welp, a ton of them just became jobless.
I think Hellya val'kyrs joined to Eyir.

>>50909804
Is there actually a source that says Sylvanas is Kosak's favorite character? Because I have yet to find one.

Also, she became Warchief because she's popular. And originally, data-mined text revealed Vol'jin didn't die, but faked his death, went into hiding, and made Sylvanas temp wartime Warchief. This Loa crap was nowhere to be found in the dialog. I heard they changed it because a bunch of people whined about how Blizz was Horde biased because Varian got killed and Vol'jin didn't. Still, I can all but guarantee Vol'jin's story isn't done. We'll see him again before expac's end.

>>50911992
I can't see that happening, tbqh. Eyir and Odyn are all about "prove you're worthy." None of Helya's val'kyr proved that to them. That and they worked for Helya. I think it's more likely they became neutral Spirit Healers in the Shadowlands.

>>50912012
>I heard they changed it because a bunch of people whined about how Blizz was Horde biased because Varian got killed and Vol'jin didn'

This shit needs to stop.
You shouldn't be writing for a fucking mmo if you can't tell obnoxious internet trolls to shut the fuck up and write what the fuck you want to write instead.

>>50912012
Most of the people hate her guts

>>50912069
Most people in this thread hate her guts. Most players like her. One way or another, she generates stupid traffic both in and out of game.

>>50912012
>Blizz was Horde biased because Varian got killed and Vol'jin didn't.
I bet it was the same people who whined about Baine in Highmountain

>>50912069
Honestly people having been asking to deal with Sylvannas since the end of MoP. Now they're finally getting around it and of course people are complaining.

>>50894907
Didn't Rexxar constantly say that he was the last of the mok'nathal in the WC3 campaign?

This means they were never big in numbers anyways even if Blizzard retconned that.

>>50912193
Blues have been asking for her death. Reds have been asking for more story.

Surprise surprise, opinions are polarized depending on which faction a player mains.

>>50912193
>and of course people are complaining.
Because she just doesn't fit the Warchief position.

>>50912245
Does her having more story on the Horde side bother the Alliance story?

And I can't say I believe people asking for a characters death constantly is unheard of.

>>50912250
It's very apparent in Stormhiem.

Why does the leader of the Horde need to run a secret mission with nothing but her own army and one hero? She should have had all assets of the Horde brought with her if she's really looking for a way to live forever. No one would say otherwise because we did shit for Garrosh before and he ended up using a bell to almost killl Anduin.

And her little mission wasn't even close to avenging Vol'jin like she told at his funeral, meaning his death and her shoehorn into the position was last minute.

>>50912319
I'm betting Sylvanas is going to catch the raid bug and Vol'Jin is going to make a heroic return to help Alliance and Horde put her down.

>>50908565
Well, this whole universe started as "orcs vs humans" with everyone else being a sidekick a best.

>>50912424
>Sylvanas getting raided
Keeo dreaming, honey.

>>50912424

She's going to 'die' but her soul will take over Helheim since its leadership seat has been conveniently vacated.

Alliance gets Sylvanas dead, Horde gets Sylvanas still around to show up in the future.

>>50912424
>Horde whines because they kill ANOTHER warchief
>Alliance whines because there's ANOTHER Horde-centric raid while ally leaders don't do shit

I swear sometimes Blizzard is intentionally trying to piss everyone off. Pulling off shit like that takes some serious skill.

>>50912319
>She should have had all assets of the Horde brought with her if she's really looking for a way to live forever.
Dude she brought elite army of forsakens for full scale invasion in Stormheim.

>>50912441
You started as a twinkle in your father's eye, but that doesn't mean you're still tiny, white, and spermy. Things have changed since the days of Orcs & Humans, and Blizz pushing the Orcs vs. Humans Forever angle is like trying to put the genie back in the bottle, storywise; instead of being focused it just seems lax, and their universe suffers for it.

>>50912490
They are. It's easier to be immersed in your faction if you hate the other faction in real life as well as in the game.

>>50912494
And they were all mostly killed by Genn's secret mission on the Sky Hammer and he brought the Gilneas brigade and the 7th legion.

>>50912523
But I don't hate the other faction.
I just hate Blizzard's shitty writers.

>>50912513
It was destined to be Orcs vs Humans Forever since the second they made WoW a red and blue game. Having alliance and horde at all as a mistake, and what devolved into this red vs blue=human vs orc affair. WC3 ends with humans, orcs and elves allied, but they dediced to break that and return to 1 and 2 so there was no hope since vanilla wow.

>>50912598
Total agreement on the faction war being the root of all of Warcraft's evils.

>>50912598
If Blizz wanted it to be Orcs vs Humans forever, then it needed to be Orcs vs Humans forever, not Orcs vs Human except whenever there's a mildly intimidating threat at which point all history gets thrown out the window and we suddenly work together...again.

>>50912598
in prerelease wow you could actually communicate and play / quest with players of the other faction if you had good rep with their faction. would have been cool as hell to have in the game rather than the strict "you don't look familiar to me, you're my enemy"

>>50912598

Even with the factions it could have worked if:

A. They didn't homogenize the Alliance so much.

B. So many of the more dubious elements of the Alliance didn't get retconned, whitewashed, or otherwise gotten rid of (see the Van Cleefs rebellion) while making the Horde more evul.

C. Stick in a High King character.

D. They didn't stick in the NEs while doing all they could to make them less like their WC3 showing.

E. Had the Forsaken as a playable version of the Scourge.

F. Insist on mirroring content between the factions.

G. Didn't play down the Alliance's habit of internal conflict until it's just the Wrynns against strawman characters like Jaina.

>>50914120
While that's true, most of those problems stem from having two factions like that in the first place-- fixing them is like treating the symptoms while ignoring the disease. Sure it would be better, but the underlying cause is still there waiting to rear its head in some new bit stupid writing or bad design decision.

>>50914120

Except the Defias story from the get-go was about black dragon manipulation. They didn't retcon, whitewash or get rid of anything.

>>50914333
>believing in stormjew lies

>>50898881
This is how WoD should have played out.

>Do the whole Iron Tide thing
>Drove home the fact that the forces on Draenor are COMPLETELY cut off from MU Azeroth, so no NPC portals
>Instead of garrisons, have Stormshield and Warspear be hubs
>With no help from Azeroth, the Horde and the Alliance would have no choice but to seek aid from the draenei and Frostwolves
>Delve into the arakkoa with an arakkoa raid as the intro raid
>Highmaul as the first official tier raid
>Storyline involving a Titan artifact
>Once that's done, have the Shadowmoon clan do some sketchy shit in Auchindoun and Karabor as a second raid tier
>After all that, we raid Blackrock Foundry
>Blackhand escapes, drinks the blood instead of Kilrogg, becomes fel Blackhand and usurps power from Grom
>Iron Horde splits, queue Hellfire Citadel raid
>No fucking Archimonde, but Gul'dan ends up coming to MU Azeroth still

>>50914399
ONYXIA GET OUT REEE

>>50899093
>>50899883
So's mind control/hypnosis. Not that I'm complaining yes please make me kill my raid group mistress

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>>50915995
Anything else? Does the rabbit hole go as deep as webm related, or is it closer to how much Wakfu manages to "sneak" in?

Why do I even want to know?

Hey guys, how big is Azeroth? Not how big is the WoW game map, but how actually big is Azeroth in the lore? Running a campaign and trying to figure out how long it will take players to get from one place to another and I'm totally lost. Anything resembling a concrete measurement of any distance would let me work it out from there.

>>50917481
>but how actually big is Azeroth in the lore?

How ever big/small it needs to be for sake of the plot.

>You get told that the next official non-WoW Warcraft project will be one with hardcore storytelling
>Also get told it'll ignore WoW except for a select few of its Lore
>You need to pick 6 sets of connected WoW introduced Lore to carry onto this sorta reboot

What do you go and pick?

>>50917481
Well going by WCIII they spent several days running through the barrens

>>50912237
He was the only one in Azeroth, so he had a good reason to believe his kind has died when Ner'zhul tore Draenor a couple of new ones so hard it exploded.

>>50917481
Depends on the setting.

>>50917590
Old Gods, Faceless Ones, and all of Aqir descendants, I kinda like them.
Elemental Lords, because DIE INSECT!
(Do those two should be treated as separate or as connected?)
Mogu, and other Titanforged.
Zandalari, and other Trolls, and all that comes with it (Hakkar the Soulflayer, Loas).
Dorf rivalry of 3 major Clans.
Yaungol and the related subspecies that evolved/changed from them (Tauren, Taunka, Highmountain).

That is all that I need.

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>>50921191
Also, Whispers of the Old Gods instead of being What If scenario, is real. Because LIVE INSECT!

>>50912598
> Having alliance and horde at all as a mistake

It was not. Placing Garrosh as a Fuhrer warchief was.

Things were ok on Vanilla, we had conflict but the world was bigger than that.

Yeah we could talk again about how bad it was that NE and Forsaken are not neutral but we could live with that too, we had a good setting where a good story could be developed.

On that time Horde and Alliance was not about bad vs good but two different factions that gathered different cultures and were just trying to survive. Major issues were Quillboards, murlocs and things like that.

So we had a bunch of leaders that could make the story different and appealing. It would be interesting to see Sylvanas dealing with Horde politics, how she would work with Thrall and Cairne.... Or the cultural shock of the NE with humans and dwarfs.

But suddenly the story jumped to full retard

> The Human King is back.. AND HE IS A DICK... WAIT WE WANT HIM AS A HERO SO WE NEED SOME GENOCIDE-MAKERS ON THE OPPOSITE SIDE.

> Everybody loves the Horde Warchief... LETS REPLACE HIM WITH SOMETHING TOTALLY DIFFERENT AND MAKE THRALL JESUS INSTEAD

> People are interested on that Frandal character and the politics of NE.. GOOD LETS MAKE HIM A CORRUPTED AND INSANE RAID BOSS ON THE NEXT RAID EVEN IF IT DOSENT MAKE SENSE

> People love Humans start zone about how the life is dangerous on this world.. LETS ALLOW THE FACTIONS TO PULL HUGE ARMYS FROM THEIR ASSES AND MAKE EVERYTHING POINTLESS

>>50895013
>Medihv in Crow Form in the background
>"Bitch put some shoes on!"

>>50896803
Shut up Matthew Rossi.

>>50917481
Big enough to contain several independent states with their own economies and relations, prior to the first war.
Given that it is one of the major continents alongside Kalimdor, but the world s not that big, I would say roughly the size of Western Europe.

>>50905775
>>50906118
WoD and the movie were supposed to come out around the same time but with how CGI heavy the movie was Blizzard had to put out the expansion on its own. I think there was a Blizzcon interview where they stated that they wanted this to happen but because of delays with the movie production they went ahead and dropped WoD into our laps.

>>50893570
Deathwing is not Wrathions father in the sense that he sired him but with regards to the fact that he is/was the Patriarch of the Black Dragonflight.

If you quest through the revamped Badlands you would know that Wrathion was born to a scrub tier female black dragon and an unknown male dragon. Cata even stated that Sintharia was the only consort to survive his molten penis and even than she was ruined for good.

>>50887942
To this day I still enjoy playing games against the computer just so I can cheat and insta win so I could build an intricate base and watch as my workers chop down trees and mine up gold.

>>50925114
>Wrathion was born to a scrub tier female black dragon
Retconned some time ago that she's Deathwing's child, even if not Sintharia's (after all, he likely sired some of his kids before his dick became molten).

>>50909215
That's more /tv/ desu.

>>50925244
/tv/ is /pol/

>>50925391
you're /pol/

>>50915995
>>50916336

So when will they make a combo fetish meal encounter where you get transformed into a barefoot girl and then mind controlled to serve the boss?

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>>50882724
So why didn't they get Justin Gross to continue playing Arthas?
Did he want too much money or something?

wc3 Undead Campaign Arthas is leagues ahead of every other incarnation of Arthas in terms of badass cool.

When they brought Arthas back for Wrath of the Lich King, that's how he should have been brought back. Instead we got some Warhammer Khorne meets Darth Vader type shit, showing up just to say COME AT ME BRO, BRING UR FRIENDS FAGGOT.
It was ok, but just not the Arthas I knew :(
>(I don't care if his fusion-hah with Ner'Zhul 'changed him', I was hoping for an interesting mix of badass Arthas and Ner'Zhul the orc. Including the double voice effect from his famous 'Now, we are one.' line.)

I will say, the short story/novel excerpt (I forget which) they did about him and his horse was pretty good though.

>>50893916
It was such a shame it never works against a decent player unless you absolutely caught them with their pants down.

>>50927354
>Not having bunch of wagons full of dead corpses of stronger neutral units and rising them with Death Knight

>>50926803

> So why didn't they get Justin Gross to continue playing Arthas?
Did he want too much money or something?

That's the official story yeah. I don't know if he was canned after asking for a raise or quit after he got told he won't get one. It doesn't help that Heroes of the Storm actually has Arthas' current VA do WC3 lines. See here from 0:43 onward:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y1f3nRNR3UE

>>50926803

> I will say, the short story/novel excerpt (I forget which) they did about him and his horse was pretty good though.

You're talking about Rise of the Lich King. Which did all it could to retcon or otherwise undermine Arthas' WC3 characterization. See him being shocked at finding out that the urn he was told to steal had Terenas' ashes in it.

>>50927483
>implying I didn't.

>>50927664
Yeah that sounds awful. I just liked the horse story for its own sake.

His general benevolence giving way to cold pragmatism mercy killing his horse I felt were pretty good in the part I read. I wasn't really that fond of just how played up the trauma of the experience was though, and the "I'll never lose anyone again!" angst. And then he rez'd the horse later? Meh, idk. It's a bit too cute.

I feel like the real Arthas is still somewhere under all that bullshit, in a frozen prison :(