Warhammer 40,000 General /40kg/

>>50879315
I'm about to convert my Valkyrie into a Vendetta, but I'm worried that the Vendetta will no longer be a unit soon. Do you know if they are being phased out?

first for vespids

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>>50879315

> PLEASE

> IT HURTS SO MUCH

>550999.M41 The Crusader Thwarted

>High Marshal Helbrecht of the Black Templars, in pursuit of the Ork Warlord Ghazghkull Thraka, leads a fleet forged from fifteen Space Marine Chapters against a splinter tendril of Hive Fleet Leviathan which is barring his path. Despite employing every strategy and ploy at his disposal, Helbrecht’s fleet is continually forced to fall back before the Tyranid advance. His mounting ire matches the rising numbers of the Space Marines lost to the Leviathan.

So the Templar were stuck fighting Tyranids. How the hell did they magically teleport to Cadia?

PLOTHOLE!

>>50879337
>forcing your own memes
>waiting for a new thread to force your own memes

>>50879334
>will no longer be a unit soon
The rules might be handed over to Forgeworld, but it's extremely unlikely they'll get rid of it entirely given how many Vendettas are out there in the wild and how it helps them sell additional Valkyrie kits.

>>50879343
I imagine they magically teleported

>>50879344

> Caring about what some stranger on the internet posts in a general for a niche hobby at 4 in the morning the day after Christmas on a Brazilian ice cream appreciation board

Being you must be so sad

>>50879367
Shadow in the Warp prevents magic doe and warp flight.

>>50879375
Yea you're right. Maybe they just outran the shadow first

>>50879370
It ain't sad. It's annoying. It's tainting a board culture where we all post. It's like someone relieving themselves in a cafeteria. It ruins the atmosphere for everything and makes you think twice before eating(posting) there.

I don't want to live in a world of forced memes and neither should you.

>>50879388

> Stop having fun I don't like it: the post

Get fucked, m8

>>50879370
it's 9pm and I just got home with drinks with the boys while watching the cricket, I've had a great day honestly. The problem definitely lies with this guy who thinks poorly painted models are the height of humour and everyone needs to see it.

>>50879398
Your fun shouldn't come before the board and your fellow anons, you selfish bastard.

>>50879406

>It's 9pm and I'm going to make up some stuff that I didn't do tonight so a bunch of strangers I will never meet will think I have an active social life and am a happy person

literally no one cares

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I'm gonna be doing some conversions tomorrow lads wish me luck, gonna have a go making a deldar raider proper orky

first for 3d printing aint gonna do shit to hurt my hobby

>>50879419
literally no one cares about your dumb forced meme and your dumb "you have no life lol" kneejerk though

>>50879449

You sure are getting pretty worked up for someone who "doesn't care" lol

>>50879315
why there an eldar in that pic?

>>50879460
It's a mystery

>>50879475
one night in bangkok

>>50879460
AdMech made a pact with them. Looks like they are marching through the Webway to fuck Abaddon's shit up at Cadia.

>>50879481
>>50879343
>>50879367
>>50879375
>>50879385
Interesting

>>50879460
It isn't an Eldar. It's a deathcult assassin.

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Why should I ever deploy stormtroopers from a valkyrie...? It didn't really dawn on me until I did it, but the only thing grav chuting does is limit where I can deep strike and make it so if I misshap I auto die? Why should I ever use this when stormtroopers already have deep strike?

So much for being airborme infantry who specialize in aircav assaults.

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Will 2017 be the year that finally brings us the female space marine?

Are you listening GW? This is what the fans want.
You don't want to be on the wrong side of history, do you?

>>50879523
You don't have to deploy from the grav chute.

>>50879536
>this is what the fans want
no this is what the INFLATION FETISHISTS want

>>50879315
Whenever I see this picture, I think of some Guardsman foot fag asking to see her sweaty feet. The way she's looking back, it's just so full of disgust and disappointment. Not to mention the Black Templar to the left who's helmet and the way he's holding the bolt pistol makes him look like he's saying "Really?" Guy on the right is baffled, "What?" never having heard of foot faggotry before.

>>50879523

What's that? You wanted to airdrop like Elysians? Haha, foolish pigdog Militarum, air dominance for masterrace Elysia only!

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>Curze is a Demon Primarch

>>50879536

I would only support female space marines if they are co-ed and can be mixed into my male marine army without looking out of place.

>>50879555
Nah. The bald Templar is just holding a selfie stick.

>>50879523
Stormies have move through cover, they cant mishap when using the Grav Chute rule since they never have to make the dangerous terrain check.

>>50879536
female space marine doest make sense

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>Fall of Cadia
>Curze is true Prophet of the 8th
Curze rules when?
Do you feel the power of this revelation crushing down around you?

>>50879523
Generally I see Vets in Valkyries. Stormtroopers just deep strike on their own.

>>50879539
>>50879523
Maybe so you can deepstrike other shit that can't?

Honestly no idea what is the point. So you can tacticool insert a squad of psyker.

>Wittness their doom!
>Bunch of psykers are push of the back of Valkyrie
>If they live? Yay support!
>If they die? Yay dead psykers!

If I take a Daemon Prince of Tzeentch in a Thousands Sons detachment, am I allowed to roll on the Change psychic table since he's a Daemon of Tzeentch as opposed to Mark of Tzeentch or am I stuck to the vastly inferior Tzeentch table??

>>50879581
Decimus is the Prophet.

>>50879588
so you can tactically insert special weapon squads with three demo charges

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>>50879536
>>50879575

> Female space marines

Already happened

Top left and far left on the second to the last row

>>50879344

I thought it was funny

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>>50879536
>sisters fluff gets expanded and there're now elite groups of sisters that thanks to the massive funds of the inquisition and ecclesiarchy get biomechanical implants and better equipment, practically space marines in all but name and production methods

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>>50879597
Ok now I need to do this. What is the cheapest way to ally that without going unbound?

>>50879613
>their vaginas are replaced with metal slabs as chastity belt implants

>>50879628
>Not mini chain blades

Shit taste son.

>>50879607
yeah the old 40k is not even canon you libtard.

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what do you think of my NL list?
What should I spent my last 70 points on?

I haven't played since early 5th ed; what the fuck are "Militarium Tempestus" supposed to be? Inquisition stuff or just a part of the Imperial Guard but for some reason GW gave them their own books?

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>>50879628
>the chastity belt is actually a strong power field generator

you can see the friction lightnings coming from the barracks at night

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>>50879536
GW shall feel mine wrath should they ever stoop so low

>>50879637

Literal autism

>>50879657

Special Forces

>>50879657
Inquisitorial Storm Troopers and Guard Storm Troopers are the scion now. The old stuff is gone because reasons and Kirby.

The new CEO is Sebastian Thor. Trying to fix the fuck ups of Vandir

>>50879523
it's useful if you have allies that start mounted in the valkyrie like an inquisition deathstar or some bullshit like that

>>50879657
imperial guard space paratroopers

GW sold a different book because they need more money.

>>50879684
What would be an Inquisition Death Star now? Assuming we are ignoring the faction mental retardation of IA.

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>>50879539
Yeah, of course. I just dont see why they'd press the fluff for valkyries as stormtrooper transports when you're only shooting yourself in the foot by using it. Like, I absolutely see the purpose of grav chuting for non stormies, but these >>50879557
I really did.
>>50879573
They sure can if you scatter into impassable terrain or enemy models, which I sure did when my gits paradropped into the cupola of a battle wagon filled with da ladz.
>>50879586
Now I see why.
>>50879588
It makes sense, its deep strike for those who don't have it. Theres just zero benefit for these dudes so I'm not sure why it's written into the fluff so much. Holdover from old rules?

>>50879460
where there a dark eldar incubus* in that pic?

>>50879657
They gave Stromtroopers a book to let you field them on their own as an army. Their models are all still in the IG (Astra Militarum) book too for fielding as part of an IG army though.

>>50879684
Allies? In MY valkyrie?

25MM BASES ARE CUTE! ALL YOU 32MM NEWFAGS ARE JUST SIZE QUEENS!

>>50879675
>>50879681
>>50879684
That's retarded. Please don't tell me they neutered Guard in the process of removing Storm Troopers. I remember them being one of the stronger armies in 5th.

>>50879712
Well, as stupid as that is (giving one unit a book instead of, say, Catachans/Vostroyan/Valhallans/Steel Legion), at least you can still use them with the Guard.

>>50879726

You can still take them in the main IG book as well. They weren't removed.

But IG were still neutered in other ways and aren't good anymore. And yes, "why make the book if they're still in IG" etc etc.

>>50879733

I'm surprised they haven't made a regiment supplement for IG yet. They have done this for other armies. Iron Hands got their own book. Space Wolves Great Company got one. Imperial Fists 3rd Company got one. Black Legion got one. Khorne got an entire faction with Khorne Daemonkin, not just a mini-codex supplement.

>>50879726
guard is great, but they aren't "daddy's favourite army" like eldar, tau, or space memes or anything

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>>50879607
At the time those minis were printed (as "adventurers," mind you, to be used in the variety of non-marine roles that utilized power armor like Rogue Traders, Inquisitors, Army Generals, and Sisters of Battle), marines were already canonized as male-only.

>>50879746
They might do something like what they did with Traitor Legions or Angels of Death. Give them each some "Regimental Tactics" and a Decurion.

How am I supposed to give orders to stormtroopers with the command squad anyways? 12 inches doesn't really cut it when you're deep striking willy-nilly everywhere. What used to be the purpose of vox casters?

>>50879754
better watch out, he may post that dragon magazine scenario to "prove" you wrong

>>50879760
You don't. The Tempestor Prime has Voice of Command to give his own order once per turn.

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>>50879774
Do you take me for some kind of casual? I already have the rebuttal saved.

>Sunstroke is written by a third party company unrelated to Games Workshop, published in a magazine known for making up campaign ideas for other RPGs. That isn't official material, m80.

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>>50879754

It doesn't matter anyway, if someone really wanted to get all butthurt about no strong independent womyn who don't need no man army they could just play Sisters of Battle or play IG and get a sprue of female heads from one of the many companies that make custom 28mm bits.

>>50879740
>"why make the book if they're still in IG" etc etc
to let people ally them in without going unbound or being forced into a tax unit of troops

Not handled super well, though. Orders aside, the IG version is superior since they have access to chimeras and come in platoons for reserve rolls.

>>50879760
vox caster lets you re-roll a failed Ld test for orders provided the officer's unit and the unit he's ordering both have one.

>>50879774
>>50879785

This is the saddest thing I have read all day

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>>50879613
Possibly the only good thing to come out of Imperial Agents is the marrying of 1E, 3E (Witchhunters), and 7E Sisters of Battle fluff. Nuns with guns confirmed space marine hunters once again.

>>50879793
>strong independent womyn
>lapdogs of the male Ecclesiarchy
>brides of the Emperor

>>50879800

All Imperial forces have always been hunters of renegade marines. Do you think any loyal force would go "Oh no we can't fight other marines, we have to wait for so and so" when they find a renegade or traitor marine force?

Come find me when SoB are the new Minotaurs.

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>>50879798
If you deal with the same argument week after week, you start to store the answers for more convenient counter-arguments.

It helps that I've been misled more than a few times by "commonly accepted but not proven" /tg/ ideas regarding fluff, so I like to have concrete proof of things these days.

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>>50879798
Insulting people doesn't change the facts.

>>50879809
Wrong time period honey.

Sisters of Battle are pretty much independent from the church and Inqusition (unless asked)

Think of them as a swis guard from the Vatican. But totally independent of the church.

Sure they are funded by them. But it would be badly seen by the rest of the church and imperium if someone try to cut the funds.

>>50879823

You actually have a folder that is literally filled with images you are waiting to use on 4chan.

Rethink your life.

>>50879846
>how dare you be more autistic than me

>>50879846
Oh, you're the shitposer I proved wrong. Then yes, anon. I have that folder saved specifically for people like you.

>>50879646
Can you cucks stop playing "who is prettier" and weigh in on my list instead?

>>50879815
It's not about "if it happened." It's about the Sisters actively assuming their role as a policing force to monitor the Ecclesiarchy (which hasn't been mentioned since 3E, despite that being their very origins) instead of just its enforcers, as well as being specifically stated as marine hunters (which hasn't been mentioned since what, 1E?). It's the statement, not the concept.

>>50879823
I believe there's at least one more depiction of the emperor's final assault against horus, but I've never really been able to find a scan of the old pre-epic epic books online, and never been bored enough to track down all the WD articles of the same time period.

>>50879864
buy your raptors some second special weapons. I'd also swap at least one to a double flamer loadout for emergency anti-infantry duty.

Also, get those bikers some plasma guns.

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>>50879856

Listen, if you have a folder filled with images you specifically save for internet arguments with strangers on 4chan, complete with challenges for their potential counter arguments... than you are operating on a level of autism I didn't even know existed.

I mean I can't even fathom what it must be like.

I yield to you sir. There is nothing else I can do. While you may have won this particular internet argument I do take some slight comfort in knowing that you are the reason that even 40K fans can't stand /40kg/

>>50879880
>still replying to me.
lel

>>50879536
As the Emperor decreed
"No girls allowed, because they are icky"

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r8 my anti-BT list

>>50879882

> Being so desperate to get the last word

>>50879895
That YouTube thing. Is like friends to me. I have no idea why people find it good or funny.

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>>50879879
If you've got a name, feel free to drop it. I'm pretty sure you're talking about one of the two non-Compendium (which is the WD one) recounts I have. Both of those books (or same book? It's a two-parter, right?) never got full scans, and I was lucky enough to pick up those captures from here. The terminator one I captured myself from pic related.

>>50879876

That comes part and parcel with Ordo HERETICUS's job description. You're not going to be associated with that ordo and NOT police potentially heretical marines.

>>50879343
How the fuck is the Imoerium losing in space against the needs? Do nids have the Tau field of mental retardation that affects anyone fighting them?

>>50879904
It rides the line between autism and genuine humor
That and Kaldo Draigo

>>50879909
Didn't GW remove the militant orders of the Inqusition because fuck it, funny?

>>50879907
I want to say it was Space Marine (1989), but it may have been in WD 109, or one of the later WDs with adeptus titanicus/space marine expansions.

It could also be from the second edition of Space Marine (which was technically a new game) or one of the numerous expansions (in WD or released as a proper book) for it.

As I said, there's a lot of material for pre-epic epic, and it's spread all over the place.

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>>50879909
Right, except that when they split sisters from the inquisition in 5E, they copypasted everything over word-for-word yet deliberately deleted the lines that referenced them doing police work - even the lines about them keeping the Ecclesiarchy in check. That led some people to believe they were nothing more than Ecclesiarchy muscle and completely butchered their origins as the first force to look beyond blind faith and stop the Ecclesiarchy in its place. They even removed the part that said the Adepta Sororitas was allowed to exist so long as it continued that role.

>>50879931
They have specifically removed the term "chamber militant" from all the factions, seen most starkly in the recent Deathwatch codex, but with IA, they at least keep the role there.

>>50879931
They're still referred to in that manner in Imperial Agents. Inquisitors can even have bodyguards made up of the relevant chamber militant for their ordo.

>>50879953

GW is retarded. Frankly that retardation shows in the lore for a faction like SoB who are old enough and mistreated enough to get copy pastes and stuff.

Even posterboy marines have really retarded contradictions, especially where 30k is involved.

>>50879953

Yeah, the 5E/6E fluff where they are the Ecclesiarchy's loophole "men-at-arms" seems to be the most common and iconic interpretation of the faction. I always liked them more when they were part of the Inquisition.

>>50879896
bump

>>50879740
>>50879749
Conflicting messages. Again, haven't played since early 5th; what exactly did they do to IG...? Guard don't seem like something you can fuck-up too hard.

>>50879879
Okay thank you my dude

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>>50879984
I just don't like that 5E removed the part that mentioned the Sisters regulating the Ecclesiarchy is part of why they were allowed to persist. Considering the sisters ended the Age of Apostasy themselves, that regulation is pretty integral to their fluff to me.

It just doesn't make sense otherwise.

>Oh hey, the Emperor himself told us to stop being blind cunts who believe every word the Ecclesiarchy says. We better blindly do everything the Ecclesiarchy says.

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>>50880033
And 5E, for comparison.

>>50879998

They didn't really do anything except remove stuff without adding anything new. (wyvern being a notable exception)
The problem is, that the scale of 40k has changed so much, lasguns and leman russ tanks can't do much against flying monsters, jinking bikers, invisible deathstars and GMC.
It didn't help that the vehicle rules have become worse over the last few editions, further nerfing IG.

>>50879953
It is a shame they took the time to do that but, not address the mental retardation of the faction problems in Impirial Agents.

The Acolytes can buy dedicated transports that they can't start inside. Rhino is from SoB and Valkyrie are from a Aeronautics.

We can assume the intention was to allow them to use them without restriction, but God damn it GW can't into their own rules.

On the flip side we can still use the old Acolyte squads in the formations of acolytes because GW.

>>50879979
>especially where 30k is involved
30k has always been full of contradictions, though. It's the people trying to force VUN AND ONLY VUN version of the heresy who are in the wrong.

>>50880015
It's an interesting time period. Both for the setting and the company. Wish I had my books still, trawling through data archives looking for information that probably will never be there is horrible.

>>50879998
Basically, Guard are like they've always been. The biggest changes have been to other factions with power creep, while Guard has mostly stayed the same.

Most units nowadays have special rules that always apply to them or some kind of equipment that does something other than kill mans. Things like Split Fire, Haywire, Hit and Run, etc.

Guardsmen get Orders. Every turn, your officers (read: company commander, etc) can issue a small number of orders to units within 12' that makes the ordered unit do something provided that unit passes a Leadership test. This can be things like, "Bring it Down!" which gives the Unit Monster Hunter and Tank Hunter for that turn, or "First Rank Fire! Second Rank Fire!" which gives every man, woman, and child in the unit an extra ranged attack at full ballistic skill. There's other ones like the unit gets Ignore Cover for their attack that turn, or they can force a Pinning check with their shots that turn, etc.

Basically you get some versatility to choose from with your guys with a leadership test that other units from other factions get for free.

But vehicles got nerfed, which hurts the Guard because they rely on vehicles. And there's a lot more anti-vehicle weaponry around nowadays.

Just pretend you're playing a WWII game and it all works out.

>>50879809
>>lapdogs of the male Ecclesiarchy

>I don't know my own lore

They killed the second most powerful man in the Imperium cause he tricked them, google Goge Vandire

>>50879823
>"commonly accepted but not proven" /tg/ ideas regarding fluff
I can only really think of "Leman Russes are modified tractors" misconception, got any other ones worth sharing?

>>50880063
And the land raiders are grey knights, don't forget. I have so many problems with IA the transports is just a drop in the bucket.

>Inquisitors cannot take servo-skulls.
>The new henchmen squad takes tech-priests but not servitors.
>Legion of the Damned cannot take plasma-cannons or heavy bolters.
>Deathwatch complete useless compared to their codex, which has relics and significantly more options.
>On that note, absolutely no reason for a xenos inquisitor to take a Deathwatch unit with his henchmen instead of as a separate detachment.
>Maximum redundant Shield of Faith detachment bonus.
>Lack of clarity if the inq henchmen is taking 0-1 units of crusaders/DCA/etc. or 0-1 models, and both routes being bullshit.
>Inc Relics are ordo-specific.
>Still no idea how to use Turbo-Penetrator rounds with the wound pool.
I'm sure there's more, but I'm trying not to remember.

And with that said, you can't use "the old Acolyte squads" in the formation, because that's not an acolyte squad - it's an "Inquisitorial Henchmen" squad. You can, however, use the Inquisitorial Henchmen with the new Inquisitorial detachment (which allows Elite choices).

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>>50879437
OUR DAKKA WILL PIERCE THE HEAVENS!

>>50880097

That's like saying the loyal legions are traitors for killing Horus.

>>50879896
And another one cause the thread seems to be just the dank ass lore faggots

>>50880097
Those weren't even SoB, so not only do you not know the lore either, you have no reading comprehension.

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>>50880050
>jinking bikers, invisible deathstars and GMC.
Wait, they buffed bikes and jetbikes? Why would they do this. Also no clue what the other two things are.

>>50880070
I remember orders well. So, you're saying Guard are more or less static, so if I got back into things I'd just need to worry about what the other gits are doing?

Also, two questions; are the special commanders like Al-Rahem still around (I heard they started dropping some of the game's special characters, like the Doom of Malanwhatever for Nids), and what exactly did they do to vehicles?

>>50880179
Not him, but
>Alicia Dominica
>not a SoB
Sure, they were called "daughters" at the time, but the change is just in name - the daughters were renamed the Ordos Militant of the Sisters of Battle. Trying to act like they are different things is semantics bullshit, and you should feel bad for trying to make that an argument.

Also he's referring to the fact that the Sisters work as a policing force against the Ecclesiarchy, not just as their "lapdogs." With the release of IA, this is even more prominent as the sisters are again remarked as working with the Ordo Hereticus to root out witchcraft, heresy, and mutation - including, of course, within the Ecclesiarchy itself.

>>50880168
Shit.
I love that pick.

>>50880194
>Invisible Deathstar
A strong elite unit, normally consisting of many points, that has the psychic spell of invisibility cast on it

>GMC
Gargantuan Monstrous Creature - bigger than a Monstrous Creature.

>>50880194
>are the special commanders like Al-Rahem still around
Al-Rahem is gone. So is Chenkov.

>and what exactly did they do to vehicles?
If you're from a few editions ago and lived under a rock, they have Hull Points now, meaning three glances and you're dead. Also codex creep made it so that some armies have huge saturation of S6-7 fire so anything with less than 14 AV can be casually destroyed by non-dedicated anti-vehicle weapons, in turn making shit like lascannon pretty useless due to its low RoF.

Oh, and Ordnance means you snap fire every other weapon even if you're a Leman Russ, so Leman Russ Battle Tanks have no reason to take any sponson now as they couldn't really use it along with their main gun.

And even if you have AV14, unless it's on all sides, there's shit like bullshit formations that hit your back armour even from the front, or turn 1 assaults, possibly from infallible turn 1 drop pods. And no, bubblewrapping can't save you unless you literally play with 50% more points than the opponent.

And don't get me started on grav.

>Wait, they buffed bikes and jetbikes? Why would they do this.
Because they don't understand their own game and the consequences of their own rules. Footslogging in this game has been dead for years. You're either a 12" ignore terrain movement T5 2+/3++ model that can assault at least 2d6+6" or someone that can get 2+ cover all the time or you'll die before you can scream "your army is unbalanced!".

This is because high RoF, high S ranged weapons with AP 2/3 is available like candy to most armies worth playing, and some also have ignores cover so yeah. The only counter to that is either bullshit super-infiltrate or super-deepstrike with turn 1 assault, bullshit psychic powers or bullshit toughness. If you don't have at least one of the above your army is trash, sorry.

This is just a basic run-down, I could go on for a lot longer.

Mid-thread reminder that Curze is a Demon Primarch, and he will be returning as the true Prophet of the 8th with the fall of Cadia.

>>50880194
>are the special commanders like Al-Rahem still around
He and Sly Marbo were both removed in the latest edition. The current unique characters are
>CREEEEEED
>Sergeant Kell
>Yarrik
>Knight Commander Pask
>Colonel Iron Hand Straken
>Sergeant Harker
>The special ogryn, Ned Deddog or whatever.

>>50880194
Vehicles are pretty flimsy even against run of the mill weapons, really you just need to be more careful not to let anyone get near it but this isn't always possible when most armies have deep strike and infiltrators crawling up your ass. The biggest thing to remember is most people in the universe have their special snowflake powers, while you have guns, artillery, and good old fashioned courage.

GW did get rid of a lot of special characters. There are still some great ones like Creed and Yarrick, though.

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>>50880255

Shut up, stupid idiot

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>>50880264
>The biggest thing to remember is most people in the universe have their special snowflake powers, while you have guns, artillery, and good old fashioned courage.
I've been feeling discouraged about my IG lately, and with my only other army being DE, I've been looking to start another army to cash in on some of the recent power-creep.

Thank you for reminding me why I went IG in the first place. It's time to tweak out a new list and get back to holding the line.

>>50879566
>Curze is a Dead Primarch

>>50880244
Then there are armies like DE and SoB need their vehicle to even work. Life is suffering.

Not only everyone and thier mothers have things to pop vehicles. And the same guns can be use no problem against the dudes that pop out

>>50880244
>Al-Rahem is gone. So is Chenkov.
oh boy, just end me now bruv

>If you're from a few editions ago and lived under a rock
Yep. Early 5th, and all I've really heard about is what happened to Fantasy. I've intentionally stayed away from 40k, but someone told me that there are new box sets that replaced Battleforces which are better value. Decided to start looking into shit again, going for Guard, saw the Militarium Tempestus guys and decided to come here and ask who the fuck they even were and a few other questions about what happened. Catching up, basically. Seeing if I even want to chance getting back into it.

>>50880264
Doesn't sound too far off from what it was like when I played years back. Everyone and their mother played Marines, or some flavor thereof. I started out as Orks against a bunch of competent and veteran players that only ever played Marines. Two nid players, my friend was Eldar, a single other Ork player, and two Tau, and then a tide of muhrenz.

So, did IG get any new toys at all?

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>>50880360
>So, did IG get any new toys at all?
The wyvern made the basilisk obsolete - which is a shame, because the bassy is the most iconic IG unit to me and my favorite.

For 65 points, you get 2 (t w o) twin-linked guns of pic related. That's right, f-o-u-r shots, all twin-linked, with all those goodies, for 65 points. On a tank. That's S4, AP6, btw.

Apart from that, feel free to take Baneblades (or any variant) to any game you want. Super-heavies are standard 40k now, and not only do most armies bring them, the IG tanks are the only super-heavies to actually feel balanced and won't cause your opponent needless grief.

So how the fuck do I make my own Regimental Banner for IG? I dont feel like playing my homebrew regiment with an 7th Cadian banner.

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>>50880360
>>50880405
And the wyvern sheet.

>>50880360
Bring a Baneblade, and put on your trollface as you put down the apocalyptic blast template.

>>50880244
>If you don't have at least one of the above your army is trash, sorry.
Hey, you can still be competitive if you have a formation that lets you take 30% more points than your opponents, for free.

Or better yet, just don't play competitively.

>>50880360
Forge World is full of shiny new toys.

>>50880414
>cut a piece of paper and paint on it
>print an image and cut it out
>draw on a piece of paper
For paper, you can use standard, glossy, or card, whatever suits you best.

>>50880428
Oh, I guess that would work. I was thinking about using some greenstuff and plasticard too.

Are Ultramarines really the greatest space marines, or is it mostly propaganda?

>>50880405
>>50880419
The wyvern is neat and all, but I'm sorry what? Apocalypse is standard. Just

Back in the day, that Ork guy I mentioned came in one day with a painted up Stompa. It was my Eldar friend, a Nid player, myself (oldcrons at the time), and that guy with the Stompa, and he managed to convince us to play a game against it. I opted to take a small group on his side, so it was 2v2. Everyone hated the guy with the Stompa after that day. Granted, my friend's lone two Fire Dragons gibbed the Stompa, but I learned on that day that Apocalypse should not be mixed with standard 40k.

GW what are you doing. I would have hung myself if the Tau players actually fielded their fucking Orcas.

>>50880469
to be fair it's expensive to bring lords of war (read: baneblades, titans, etc) to the point that they really only show up on 2,000 point lists, and they make up more 30% of the points cost.

and most people who field that kind of shit don't find many games

>>50880414
I just carved/sanded the details off the flag and painted my own shit on it.
>>50880464
>weren't even on Terra during the siege
Honestly they're not too awful, but they aren't particularly special. One has to give them credit for fucking up a Hive Fleet, at the least.

>>50880469
Oh, sweet anon, you have no idea what awaits you on the tabletop from the eldar and the tau.

Considering what you've heard already about everyone having AP2 and high S, you should realize the IG tanks really aren't that good. Powerful while they last, yes, but not enduring. They don't get 2+ saves or invulnerable saves.

>>50880469
>Orcas
>tfw you remember the days that Tau flyers loaded with Crisis Suits was scary
You're going to shit yourself when you find out what a Riptide is, what it can do, and how much it costs.

>>50880501
And it's bigger brother the STORMSURGE

>>50880469
The melta drive-by is pretty cool now. It works good enough too. Get a wyvern or two, one platoon and you`re good to go.

You know, it's entirely possible that this guy lives in an area with playgrounds not composed entirely of WAACfaggots.

>>50880514
One can only dream of such place, the place when its fludd>crunch for everyone and the place when the tau players are shunned. I long for such a place.

>>50879589
You're going to roll on Tzeentch, and you're going to like it.

>>50880519
It was supposed to be fluff, Im just tired.

>>50880514
The new wave of big stompy models and formations have been in the game for three years or so now anon. I think you'll easily find people fielding the kind of stuff that used to only be seen in apocalypse all the time, no matter your meta.

So I'm putting an Onager together and it's time to pick a weapon!

I was going to just give it a Neutron Laser, and eventually have a squadron of 3 of them, tasked with taking out tanks. Is that really efficient though? Because I'm thinking that a Heavy Phosphor actually looks good too, though that'd leave me without dedicated Anti-Tank then. I'll be getting Cult-Mech allies further down the line, so perhaps Kataphrons could fill that gap.

>>50880529
Magnets

>>50880529
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>>50880492
>>50880501
>>50880507
Jesus shit. I'm going to assume that everything I remember about IG just needs to go out the door. Is running a bunch of Chimeras still a thing? Does the Russ even have much of a role anymore? As far as infantry goes, are veterans still a strong choice, or is massed Guardsmen the go-to? Also what the fuck is a grav gun and let me guess we don't get them

>>50880542
Chimeras are a lot better than footslogging, Russes seem quaint compared to all the apocalypse stuff, but you can still find a place for them.

For infantry you probably wanna go to one extreme and stay there. Either you're gonna run 50 man blobs or mechanised veterans. Mechanised vets are probably the strongest option, so I hope you're a Steel Legion player (except not really because GW produces Cadians and only Cadians nowadays).

A grav gun wounds a unit on its save value, so a guardsman is wounded on a 5+ while a termie is wounded on a 2+. They also all have AP2, because fuck armour saves. They can also immobilise and damage vehicles on a 6 (they do both at once). This might have been ok if it weren't for the fact that grav guns have a higher fire rate that any comparable special/heavy weapon, completely obsoleting plasma, and if buffed they are the best generalist gun available to the Imperium. And by Imperium I mean Space Marines and only Space Marines, why would guard get shiny toys?

>>50880571
Also the marines have a formation that gives them free transports.

At least you are not Ork, DE, Nids or SoB

>>50880244
I might sound insane here, but what if they made hull point damage only last for a turn, or maybe a natural chance to regenerate hull points lost from glances (Turn IWND and other things like it into an increased chance maybe?)

That way, concentrated fire from medium AT guns can bring down a tank through glances, but only if you REALLY focus on it, as it can just heal the minor damage from glancing blows. (It's stupid that non-vehicles aren't hurt from "glances" on their armour saves, but vehicles are)

Of course, that still doesn't fix the fact that a single deepstriking melta gun can just slag any vehicle it wants in a single shot.

>>50880571
>and only Space Marines
I have a sneaking suspicion that I'm forgetting something, so maybe disregard that statement.

All the bashing aside, here's the good stuff that's happened since 5th:
>Allies are a thing, so you can do fun fluffy stuff like add an Inquisitor with retinue to your army, or team up with some Space Marines
>GW has been putting out an absolute torrent of rules, so if you want to run something weird from the lore, chances are there are already rules for it/rules that can be adapted for it, if you're willing to sort through enough supplements
>FW units are a plethora of variety for an Imperial player, and even better with the new ally rules since you can bring along almost any Imperial model as an ally
>Despite the hate the formations get, some of them are very fun and fluffy ways to build an army, that encourage you to take units you might not normally use

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>>50880542
You can still find mechanized infantry - running vets in chimeras. The "Objective Secured" bonus from the CAD (the new FOC, in case you aren't up to date yet) is really useful, and dedicated transports like Chimeras get it if they are for Troops.

Russes have a place. AV14 fronts are still relevant - some armies can even struggle with that (not marine/eldar/tau/necron/GSC of course). While a plain LRBT is probably your best one-size-fits-all, using a tank commander or even Pask gives you some neat tricks with their bonus tank orders. Things like punisher pask (pask in a punisher russ) are common.

Also, to remain relevant, we have some tricks like taking an Aegis Defence Line as a fortification (a mere 50 pts), which gives a 4+ cover save and bumps Go To Ground to a +2 bonus. So behind an ADL, our guardsmen get a 2+ cover save, and there is an order that has them stand right up again if they are G2G - ie, reliable 2+ cover save. You can park 50 conscripts back there for a solid gun line, probided you aren't fighting an army with ridiculous Ignores Cover bonuses like tau.

Grav does pic related and ALWAYS has AP2. Which would be fine except it comes in the "Salvo" variety with titsloads of shots. The Grav-cannon is savlo 3/5 (so essentially gets 5 shots each time it's fired) and is mathematically the best non-vehicle gun in the game against any target - even GEQ, which it is supposed to be "weaker" against. In fact, the only places the Grav-cannon loses is to the Splinter Cannon against GEQ (which is Salvo 6, of course), and the Assault Cannon against AV10 armor. Otherwise, it beats every other non-vehicle gun against every possible target (and even beats most vehicle guns at that).

>>50880619
Then we have Imperial Agents. The idea is cool. But thanks how faction works, you to hope your opponent understand the intention of the book.

For example Acolyte squads can buy dedicate transports but can't deploy in them.
Rhinos are from SoB
Landraider are Grey Knights
Valkyrie is its own faction for some reason

>>50880542
>Jesus shit. I'm going to assume that everything I remember about IG just needs to go out the door.
In all honesty that's par for the course if you haven't played from 5th. The whole game is entirely different.

> Also what the fuck is a grav gun and let me guess we don't get them
You guessed right.

>>50880619
>All the bashing aside, here's the good stuff that's happened since 5th:
Yes, good stuff happened too. The problem being that GW started having better management very recently and it's always a gamble which army is going to get put "up to date" (mostly means "new formations" nowadays unless there's tons of new models) and how.

On the bright side, they announced they're going to Adepticon 2017 and they're bringing Cruddace to the rules-writing seminars they're going to hold, so you can go there and punch him in the dick if you fancy taking a flight to Chicago for that.

>>50880571
>>50880597
That free transport formation sounds cheap as shit. Also, guessing formations are like... "Take this pre-set organization instead of the more flexible Force organization and you get a few special rules"?

I think I'll probably run mech vets. As for regiment, I have my own plans, but I'll probably run Cadian as the base bodies since they're abundant and fit well enough with what I'm aiming for.

How do Lord Commissars fare, or is a Command Squad something you really shouldn't leave home without? Also, one last question on Russes; is there a particular variant that excels now, or is your default still the bread and butter?

>>50880533
This. Lotsa work but entirely worth it.

>>50880116
>only Order of Our Martyred Lady dye their hair white
>they do it because seeing the Emperor made Alicia Dominica's hair turn white
>Sisters of Battle and Black Templars hate each other because they believe in the Emperor differently
>Acts of Faith are supernatural
>all Living Saints are immortal
>there used to be Sisters of Battle Dreadnoughts

>>50880659
>How do Lord Commissars fare, or is a Command Squad something you really shouldn't leave home without?

If you have plenty of foot-slogging troops, they're going to need orders so you absolutely can't leave home without a Command Squad. Lord Commissars are useless shit.

Doubly so because you can literally take a Tank as your HQ and it's better than a Lord Commissar in every conceivable way, so why the fuck would you ever take a Lord Commissar when a Command Squad is five-points cheaper and actually buffs your army is beyond me. He's way, way too expensive for what little he does.

>Also, one last question on Russes; is there a particular variant that excels now, or is your default still the bread and butter?
I heard exterminators see a lot of use because they're cheap and AV 14 still, but don't take my word for it. Pask on a Punisher is pretty much mandatory now, but I'm afraid that if you can take a Wyvern you're going to take a Wyvern and fuck other tanks.

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>>50880683
>>only Order of Our Martyred Lady dye their hair white
I'm still triggered. Do people just not look at the Codex covers? It's not like the SoB have had very many of them.

>>50880683
>salamanders have literal families

>>50880659
>"Take this pre-set organization instead of the more flexible Force organization and you get a few special rules"
That's exactly it, but due to Geedubs balancing some formations add extremely minor or situational bonuses, where others grant you 12" movement on infantry or +1BS, or loads of free stuff.

No clue about HQs, I'm sure someone will have a better idea. In terms of Russes though, most variants can find a place. The real key is to make sure to not over-invest in your Russ. It's important to note that if you fire an Ordinance weapon all your other weapons fire at BS1, so buying sponsons on a standard battle cannon Russ is a poor call, but if you were using an Executioner you would be fine to grab plasma cannon sponsons for 5 plasma blasts from one (pricy) tank.

>>50880687
>>50880707
I'm starting to think the guy that said the guy that told me Getting Started boxes are a good value was (partially) full of shit. Given that the IG box has one squad of Guardsmen, a single Heavy Weapon, a Russ and a Commissar, and Russes aren't favorable compared to Wyverns and Commissars are useless as piss, it doesn't seem all that worth while. I think I'd rather just stock up on Chimeras and Guard, and then grab a command squad, another Chimera, and maybe two Wyverns.

>>50880244

I'm praying daily that 8th is the drastic rewrite we were promised, because balance now is just atrocious. GW's devs have proven unable to restrain themselves from breaking the system by giving everything scoring or absurd amounts of free stuff.

>>50880756
>I'm starting to think the guy that said the guy that told me Getting Started boxes are a good value was (partially) full of shit.
He's not, provided he was talking about money. The Getting Started boxes really are good value as in they actually save you money. Yes, a GW bundle that actually fucking saves you money. It's happening for real, no kidding.

Now, about that thing being actually useful in games? I'm sorry you're playing a trash army. Other Getting Started boxes are good value both for money and in the sense they give you actually strong/useful models.

>>50880756
get started! is good value if you want those units
if you don't want those units, it ain't

Wyverns are boring as fuck to use, though. I'd rather take basilisks and hellhounds any day of the week, despite them being less than optimal.

>>50880571

>hey let's add a weapon that is better at killing MEQs and TEQs than plasma, can mulch vehicles, and doesn't get hot
>this won't overlap design space at all

T-thanks, GW.

>>50880775
Unless you are SoB. I'm looking at you Vastal Task Force. What is even the point of that. Maybe if the 1 re-roll saves last the entire game I would even consider it.

>>50880571
>GW produces Cadians and only Cadians nowadays
Even ignoring the catachans, they have tallarn, vostroyan, valhallan, steel legion and mordian iron guard available.

And have, for years. I don't know why people bitch about only cadians being available.

>>50880839
Only cadian as the only plastic option. Do not even remember if catachans are plastic.

Look at Marines they have more options for non vanilla than entire factions.

Hence why people bitch about cadian only.

>>50880756
Probably true. Not a Guard player, but if you want to run Mechvet then grab a few Armoured Claw boxes. Chimera and a squad of Guardsmen for a discount, plus an upgrade sprue for Genestealer Cult, which has a few cool bitz on it, for £35. Might be a slightly cheaper version in January sans the GSC upgrade spue as well, called"Armoured Fist".l

>>50880850
>Do not even remember if catachans are plastic.
they're full plastic, and supported in most (if not all) the vehicle sprues. Only out of date option at this point is the catachan infantry squad, which is admittedly pretty ugly next to the command squad/heavy weapons.

But like, not many factions can claim to have the infantry variety that the guard have. The only ones who beat them out (in plastic) are imperial marines, who beat EVERYONE out.

>>50880839
I'd completely forgotten about the old Catachan kits, sorry anon. The metal minis are barely any support for the factions though, since they're more expensive that the regular guard (20% more in my country) which makes blobguard even more financially taxing. Plus only Vostroyans actually have special weapons on the models/command squads, and otherwise you have to convert metal models that have an annoying habit of hugging their lasguns to their chests, making the whole process of kitting out a squad quite an undertaking.

>>50880890
Seems I'm wrong again, every regiment actually has a single special weapon on the models, except Vostroyans which get three.

>>50880865
Just found that myself. Live in the states, but I know a place that has stuff 20% off, so only $44, which is still "alright" as far as Warhammer goes. Could probably use some of the heads, too. Just need to cut or file the genestealer ridges off. For vets, I imagine it wouldn't be out of line.

>>50880910
the holdup is heavy weapons and HQ models (only vostroyans and steel legion get any support in that regard)

easy enough to ebay those, but it is an expense

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>>50880700
>look at art
>by people who have never played

When SoB were introduced, Imperial vet sergeants were ID'd by painting their helmets white, so the metal team painted SoB squad leaders with white hair to denote their seniority. About 6min later, stupid people began painting random models and drawfagging random Sisters with white bobs for the same reason DA vets are often seen in green livery: Artists please themselves and ignore canon if they can be bothered to learn it in the first place.

>>50880116

That misconception is based on the Land Crawler, which looks superficially like a Leman Russ and which IS a modified tractor.

>>50880931

The white hair is extremely aesthetic, so who gives a damn.

>>50880931
There is no fluff explanation for why some Sisters have white hair. When John Blanche was asked to illustrate the cover of Codex Sisters of Battle, he painted the hair of the SoB on the cover white. At that time the official Order of Our Martyred Lady color scheme was black armor and black cloaks, even the hair of the studio models was black. None of the studio SoB models had white hair, though one had a white streak. White hair proved popular however as it looked good on Sisters and many people painted their own models with white hair. White haired Sisters started appearing in other official artwork, e.g. Daemonifuge.

When GW held the Armageddon campaign early in 3rd edition, the Sisters present on Armageddon were mostly from Order of Our Martyred Lady and they lost many battles. Then, when Codex Witch Hunters was being written, GW decided to incorporate the results of the Armageddon campaign into official fluff and had Order of Our Martyred Lady recolor their cloaks from black to red in memory of the Sisters martyred on Armageddon and also to make their color scheme more interesting. The 'Eavy Metal team started working on a new Order of Our Martyred Lady studio army. The painters were obviously inspired by the John Blanche art piece as they painted every new Order of Our Martyred Lady model with white hair. Another reason could be that white hair is more easily distinguishable from the black armor. Since the Order of Our Martyred Lady studio army was the newest paint job, it was used in almost every official photoshoot and model box cover. Thus it became the outward face of the Sisters of Battle the same way Ultramarines are the outward face of the Space Marines and Cadians are the outward face of the Imperial Guard. Not every Sister has white hair, not even every SoB of OoOML, but because of the aforementioned reasons any official artwork and even fanart is likely to have Sisters with white hair.

Kabalites, how do I beat death Star cheese like what the furries put out?

>>50880931
>Ackshually, I'm the rightest!
Or, alternatively, as a side opinion, in the entire book, only the canoness had white bangs - and people were actually inspired by the very inspiring John Blanche cover that featured the all-white hair.

White hair didn't become prominent until Witchhunters, where almost every SoB had it in the codex - probably as a way to differentiate them from the regular humans.

Grimaldus, 1 cenobyte, razorback.

10 initiates, 5 neophytes, landraider crusader.

10 initiates, 5 neophytes, landraider crusader.

For starters how does this look? Is there a way to add reliable tank killing that is still melee? Just assault termies? I threw Grimaldus in the razorback since his use just seems to be acting as 6" bubble of zealot and FNP and his servitors prevents him from joining other units.

The plan is to roll in and just start filling the opponents deployment zone with melee combat.

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I'm agonizing over what to paint my generic Chaos marines (old style models) and while I love Nurgle I don't think it makes sense to paint non-plague deathguards.

I really like certain ways emperor's children are painted, and so... Would it make sense, lore-wise, to have an army comprized of followers of Slaanesh AND Nurgle? I do care about the lore alot it seems.

>>50881014

Yes.

>>50880995

I want to make a donutsteel order when I start Sisters, but the Order of Our Martyred Lady scheme is so good that I don't think I'd be able to bring myself to do anything else. That white hair on red robes on black armor is gorgeous.

Is it possible to field a working Traitor Legions detatchment in 750 points?

Was looking at doing a DG list for a newyears event but the points are rather tight with special weapons and a HQ in need of toys.

>>50881060
If I were you, I'd probably make an attempt at a Green "Blue Tide" - I'd say "Green Tide," but that's misleading.

T5 + free FNP = some remarkably unkillable marines, especially in numbers. Shove as many of them in as you can at that point limit, and claim those objectives. Oh, and free Relentless, so squeeze in those heavy weapons where you can.

>>50881034
Well I'm doing red armour with white robes. Black guns

Hair is a mix of any natural color. Squad leaders have berets.

>>50881108
MSU or 10 man double special blobs?

>>50881014
How fast would you fuckers buy these models if they were on sale by GW?

>>50881170
I'd pre-order 3x3 immediately. Those things look sick as fuck.

>>50879536
We had Female marines back in 1st and 2nd. Though if you want to make female marines models here is what you do..
Take the normal marine. Check for a cod piece. If present carefully file it down so the hip plate if smooth. Attach legs with cod piece removed to torso, attach arms, put the helmet on. Then the back pack. Great you now have a female Marine.

>>50881170
Needs to be plastic

>>50881142
Depends if you want to take advantage of the free Relentless or maximize your bodies. Without heavies, you're only real anti-vehicle is krak grenades, so if you're going MSU, you're either going to ignore vehicles or waste a lot of squads on trying to glance them down. On the other hand, Fearless, so MSU is ass-aggravatingly persistent.

With Traitor Legions out now, I'd probably mix both. 750 isn't that many points, but see if you can't get two 10-man squads with your heavy of choice, and the rest as those 5 man shitters. Man, I haven't tried this with Traitor Legions. Fearless changes everything.

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Tonight's progress. First member of my alpha legion. Nearing completion, need to work on the silver. Picture isn't great but want to share the hobby spirit

>>50881237

Is this for 30k?

>>50881237
No, 40k. Alpha legion. They infiltrate so I guess they would look like regular space marines

>>50880931
eh, canon can be ignored in the name of fun seems to be a general rule for GW who really can't be bothered to keep track of all the fluff after 30 years

>>50881228
Well as is I've... ~20 bolters, 5 plasma gunners a melta and flamer bloke, 3 regular and 2 melta raptors and a handful of oblits

>>50881195
>We had Female marines back in 1st and 2nd.
No we did not. See >>50879754.

>>50881278
Or their rules. As the recent template nerf that goes against the rule book

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>>50881288
Oh, well, at 750 pts, a right propa green tide is looking at 35 marines (lord, 10 with 2 weaps, 10 with 2, 5 with 1, 5 with 1, 5 none). Throw in an oblit then; can't go wrong there.

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What should we/GW do to make more girls play 40k?

>>50881376
Make Tyranids great again.

>>50881292
Anyone got that Rouge Trader scenario where it mentions the All Female chapter of marines?

And it's rather shocking when you think of it, but there is no plausible reason in universe why there can't be. They mentioned Hormones recently but as a physician recently told me, men and women both have Estrogen and Testosterone in their bodies males just have higher levels of Testosterone than females, and females likewise have higher levels of Estrogen. That said, we already know that the Geneseed virus adjusts hormone balances in the subject to allow them to grow to the sizes required.

Since female bodies are already producing low amounts of the required hormones, Geneseed would make their bodies just as compatible as males.

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>>50881376

How do we make Black Library's hiring practises more inclusive for people of colour?

>>50881394
Tell them the Emperor was actually black.

WE WUZ EMPRAH'S N SHEET

>>50881376
update nids, SoB, more female options in guard/dark eldar/eldar/inquistion

>>50881394
tell GW bringing in new blood would help them reach the american demographic

>>50881320
not sure what that is, i only glanced at the current faq

>>50881376
What should tampon manufacturers do to attract more male customers?

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>>50881060
CAD is simple, Vectorium is a bit harder but still doable, like pic related. You can take two Meltaguns away from somewhere and give a Lightning Claw + Powerfist to your Lord.

>>50881376
Buff Nids a little.
Remove Cod Pieces for chaos and imperial marines, and include a female unhelmented head for sarges. Heavy armor like they wear in marine chapters would hide any other physical differences between males and females, unless specifically made to highlight them.
As the Astartes and their Chaos equivalents likely don't give a fuck as long a you can pass the same physical tests if your reproductive parts dangle, or are internal there is no reason why lore can't say that 1 in 10 to 1 in 20 marines on average is female. Process of conversion to marine leaves her sterile. That way no weird questions get asked.

1 out of ever 5 guardian, and Dire Avenger female torso. Helmets will hide anything else.
Female Farseer

Guard 1:5 or 1:10 female to male. Again this can easily be done with a head swap.

There now the things look more approachable to females.

>>50881451
That is the worst analogy I've ever heard.

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>>50881449

But what about the UK demo?

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>>50881414

Emperor was born in Turkey, he was black. I'm tired of your revisionist history.

>>50881388
Unlike what tumblr makes you think. Male and female are very different. You can't just pump hormones into someone till they turn into boys or girls. As soon you stop pumping those bad boys, back to your original form.

Unless you can modify one of the main causes of male and female the Y and X chromosome. You will have to live with pumping shit into your body in order to keep the boy or girl check into place.

Why only boys allowed? If we throw technoblabla and biology bullshit. Marine implants need the Y. There now fuck off.

Yes what I said was an oversimplification, but saying hormones solve the issue is just stupid

>>50881459
No female Space Marines, dammit.

Everything else is good.

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What's the best place to buy miniatures ?

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>>50881459

>Guard 1:5 or 1:10 female to male. Again this can easily be done with a head swap.

Band of brothers plz. Not bands of brothers and a sister or two. Thanks.

>>50881499
ebay usually

>>50881478
Like why would anyone in their right mind want more marines.

Beside that game scale unless you go out of your way to echance a female form with hips and tits. You won't notice shit under armour and combat fatigue.

SoB have the hip and boob just to make sure no one mistakes them for men. But GW remove that part because I do not know it is GW

>>50881459
Do people really think that adding female SM or more female models in general would attract more girls?

Lack of female interest has to do with the autistic nature of the game and the fact that it's about war.
People don't self-insert into the plastic space men.

>>50881462
The pasta has been pasted so many times I cant be assed to make a full effort.

But sure, Gossip magazines then.

>>50881499
https://www.games-workshop.com

But don't tell anyone, it's a secret.

>>50881472
Females already produce low levels of testosterone though. It's very low but it is present. We aren't talking about turning girls into boys. We are talking about adjusting hormone levels to allow for faster muscle growth, and increased skeletal size. Again we are altering the levels of hormones produced naturally by the body, not a sexual reassignment here.

>>50881459
>1 out of ever 5 guardian, and Dire Avenger female torso. Helmets will hide anything else.
You mean eldar guardian?
If so look closely....

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>>50881523

This. There isn't some untapped mass of women waiting for female space marines or guardswomen to start playing 40k

>>50881449
>reach the american demographic

Don't... you don't know what you're suggesting. Just ignore us, it's better this way

>>50881523
From talking to females who have shown interest in the hobby, most went Warmachine/Hordes because it felt more inviting to them and less like the Cigar smoke of the Old Boys Club.

>>50881530
Well why bother and just use men.

At marine level of body building. Beside the junk between the legs it wouldn't be any difference.

That is why the entire concept of female marine is fucking retarded in universe and outside

>>50881388
>Anyone got that Rouge Trader scenario where it mentions the All Female chapter of marines?
yeah people already covered that

>>50879774
>>50879785

Female marines have never been a thing, ever. Women are still able to use powered armour and be space adventurers/leaders/pirates/soldiers, just not space marines. Primarchs were all male, geneseed only works on men.

>>50881376
Nothing. If a woman is interested in a typically male hobby, good for her, but pandering to them ended horribly in video games and RPGs, and honestly some females just fuck these hobbies up and end up destroying the communities. Also pandering to women would likely result in the loss of grimdarkness and bring SJW bullshit like diversity, gender equality and less racist/fascist/religious fanatic undertones, which make 40k awesome.

>>50881559
Warmachine? Really? It is even more autistic than 40k. To the point that the game feels like playing a MTG or any other card game than a war game. Like card games attract autism and machismo like a moth to a bright light.

Unless your local scene does not have that problem

>>50881570

Space marines have and always will be totally homo.
NO GIRLS ALLOWED.

> Also pandering to women would likely result in the loss of grimdarkness and bring SJW bullshit
You tell him brother.

>>50881559

They sound like tumblerinas. If they cared about the game at all they would have played it regardless. Let me guess, they had either blue or pink hair.

>>50881565
Why Limit yourself?
Why not take any recruit who can pass the physical entry exam. If a female can win the race on Baal Secondunus or win a death battle arena or survive a 10 day camping trip in the jungles of Cattachan at the age of 10, alone, with the same gear the boys had, and no advantages, totally level playing field
Why not accept that Bad ass?

So, /tg/, what do you think of this army list?

Detachment: Imperial Knight Exalted Court (2000 points)
High King: Knight Gallant w/ Ironstorm Missile Pod and Sanctuary - 370 points
Kingsward: Knight Errant - 370 points
Herald: Cerastus Knight-Castigator - 380 points
Master of Judgement: Knight Crusader w/ Rapid-Fire Battlecannon and Ironstorm Missile Pod - 460 points
Gatekeeper: Questoris Knight Magaera w/ Hekaton Siege Claw - 420 points

I decided to make the Knight Gallant the High King because it benefits the most from the bonuses, and with Sanctuary and the bonus to invulnerable saves that being High King grants, it can be protected from enemies shooting it in the sides as it charges in much more easily.

The others I mostly just assigned to courtly positions based on fluff, since they all have the same rules: the Herald gets the Cerastus Knight, because it's the fastest; the Gatekeeper gets the Questoris Knight because it's the toughest, the Master of Judgement gets the Knight Crusader because its purpose is to just lay down a hail of fire and their job is killing things, and the Kingsward is given the vanilla Knight Errant because their defining trait is loyalty to the High King and it's just an unexceptional-but-reliable frame.

>>50881599
No, Brown, Blond, and a Red.

>>50880683
>>Acts of Faith are supernatural
I mean it's warp stuff. Is it?
>all Living Saints are immortal
Immortal as "doesn't age" or "doesn't die at all"?

>>50881616
ohhh an allknight army

goodluck finding someone willing to play that

>>50881636

Someone post that image of the Knight player crying on Facebook about no one willing to play with his all Knight army.

>>50881600
>Why not accept that Bad ass?
because the geneseed doesn't work on them

>>50881600
Not sure if trolling or just stupid but I'll bite.

Take any real female trooper from the real world. They always say they end being a liability in mixed Squad because even at their top they simply are inferior physically to their male counterpart.

Not say they can't fight. That would be silly. But going to shock and awe marine line would be a wast of resources. Leave them at guard level.

Also why bother with more Marines? Like 2/3 of GW/FW 40k and 30k product lines are bloody Marines

>>50881559
Malifaux is more attractive to them in my experience. Which naturally attracts tumblrinas, who in return attract numales and everyone will constantly whine for more minorities, strong womyn and mentally ill characters. Wyrds forums and their fb groups are fucking cancerous because of them.
And there was the fun story when Wyrd didn't promote some tumblrina with BPD their diversity officer so she wrote the "tabletop wargaming has a white male terrorist problem" article on her tumblr, smearing Wyrd, one of the most SJW friendly miniature companies in the process.

>>50881459
Stop pretending. It's not women asking for more female models, it's just guys trying to use real women as an excuse to get the female models you want.

Fucking be honest, for once. You want girls in your army.

>>50881188
>>50881206
>>50881170
this guy is a wizard with green stuff

Resisting temptation to paint a Night Lords army as Batman. All of them. Batman.

>>50881658
Do you say Malifaux like the french Faux or like Fawks/Fox?

>>50881651
There is no reason it wouldn't though.

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>>50881659

They don't even want girls. They want fapbait. The same guys clambering for female SM are the same guys who get off on the art of loli female tzeentch demons or Tau blueberry art.

Moment female SM are canonized is the day this thread is flooded with art of big chested SMs

>>50881675

Malifucks

>>50881667
give in

(and play nenenennenenee BATMAN everytime you put them on the table)

>>50881656
You don't have to sell a whole new model though. You add 1 head to a sprue. That's it. Marine armor would make it impossible to tell a man from a woman while their helmet is on.

>>50881682
There's no reason it would work on women, even exceptional ones.

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>>50881687

I want this so much

>>50881646
Let me dust off my Elder, I'll play against that. Fire dragons, guardian weapon platforms and Wave Serpents would gobble that list right up.

>>50881693
Go be a numale somewhere else.

>>50881586
Girls like MTG more than 40k in my experience.

As far as the magical autism factor goes, individually moving dozens of little models carefully placing specific weapons in just the right places, 40k wins hands down.

>>50881659
> You want girls in your army.
I've always wanted an all catholic army of Inquisition+ BT+ SoB so yes.

>>50881658
Ah SJW the group that claims diversity and inclusion but in reality they do not want it.

I'm still surprise they are not tearing blizzard a new assholes with overwatch. That thing has GW level of political incorrect designs

Lorewise would followers of Nurgle and Khorne get along? Like a Khorne/Nurgle army wiht berzerkers and plague marines?

Would such an army suck on table?

>>50881711
Half of their females look like someone from tumblr, and recently one of them turned out to be lesbian in canon.

>>50881703
Actually there is. There is no in universe force stopping it from working. Meaning it will work.

>>50881693
Just buy random female heads from the multiple other manufactures. Beside GW can't into female faces.

>>50881718
Khorne and Nurgle don't really hate each other, so lorewise it's alright.

Berzerkers and Plague Marines are both very overcosted though, so I most likely it'd suck on the table.

>>50881711
>That thing has GW level of political incorrect designs

I'm not a tumblrite, I don't see any, can you point some out?

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>>50881704

>>50881527
>best way to buy
>from GW
HA, AS IF!

All third party stores in my area give 15-20% off GW's retail prices and EBay has lots of deals. GW is terrible, the idea of discounting anything is completely alien to them.

>>50881583
Aw, a /pol/lack was triggered because he saw a non-white in his safe space :'(

You need a bro job from another Stormnigger while finishing up another cuckold porn vid before you can face the day? Then you can head out in your brightest pony t-shirt and really show those buzzword bogeyme--I mean SJWs!

>>50881735
Have you thought about finding another game which panders to your cucked worldview instead of corrupting existing ones with your gender bullshit?

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>>50881754
Wow, Anon. Just wow.

>>50881759
>this level of projecting

>>50881732
The entire cast is so stereotypical racist that is not even funny. The black guy from Brazil that fights a revolution
The USA cowboy, Mother Russia that looks straight from Kickass even them said it was racist to do it, Japanese samurai cyborg. Swis Ikea dwarf, German Valkiria. Bad talking British girl, fat Chinese girl. Like come on, French femme fatale. Autistic techno Indian girl. Even their fat or built girls look like models for fuck sake.
I really don't get how SJW are not against it.

>>50881741
That's what I would do if I ever modeled a space marine walking around like an IDOT! All my marines wear their helmets.

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>>50881753

I see you, and raise you

>>50881775
Oh I forgot the Korean gamer girl. In a not! Eva plug suit. I'll let that one slide mostly because I laugh about it

>>50881775
It's almost like tumblrinas are a bunch of privileged white suburban American girls with little or no understanding of history or any non-white experience.

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>Boring day at work, no customers showing up
>Check out /wh40kg/
>/pol/ack infestation as usual

>>50881813
Oh the Mexican día de los muertos reaper. Like really? Don't get me wrong I enjoy the design but it really boggles my mind why the internet activist haven't touch the game.

Beside that tracer but incident that basically change it to a pin up pose. It feels like blizzard know their consumer base are fucking idiots that will buy into token "tumblr" characters

>>50881813
Their numale white-knight followers are more annoying than them. I can't take a fat girl with blue hair trying to educate me on politics seriously, but normal looking guys parroting their opinions and ending up as spineless, effeminate cucks are quite sad and show that our society is seriously getting fucked up.

>>50881759
Hahaha what a fucking faggot

>>50881774
>N-n-nuh-uh! Y-you're p-p-projecting!

Toppest kek. Anon, how am I to finish my sets today when I'm so busy laughing?

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>>50881759
No.

>>50881864
Blizzard fans are braindead anyway

Since when are SJWs not immediately laughed off in these threads? What's with all these pandering suggestions?

>>50881933
Tau and Sister players are 90% numales.

>>50881933
Well you only brushed the bait instead of taking it. Still risky though anon. Be more careful in the future.

To answer youre post serious its because of the(you)s the sister bait got.

>>50881854
It's like people don't understand that replying to them and indulging in their conversations just spreads it through the thread.

It's like they don't understand that carring on the conversation makes them just as bad as the person who started.

>>50881952
What about the people that play SoB in order to have an Inquisitorial Battle Harem?

>>50881933
Anon, do you really, truly not realize that EVERYONE knows that "female space marines" triggers you 40kunts with such ridiculous ease that it is damn near unfair?
It is the single simplest way to troll you faggots and you gobble it up every single time since fucking Warhammer Wednesday.

>>50881964
What about them?

>>50881974
Tbh it's not the femmarines that rustled my jimmies that much, it's the PC tone

but it's still pandering >:(

>>50881980
Are they numa numa men?

>>50881952

And the 10%?

>>50881964
Projecting your sexual fetishes everywhere is a clear sign of being a degenerate. :^)

>>50882002
Oh, you mean the next easiest way to troll you morons? HURR PC HURR KEK, fuck, you lot are turning into /v/ and dragging the rest of the board with you.

>>50881952
>Sister
nice meme
Majority of people are sweaty neckbeards and bdsm fetishists

>>50881864
>Don't get me wrong I enjoy the design but it really boggles my mind why the internet activist haven't touch the game.

"Why isn't my strawman DOING anything? He's not yelling or waving around or anything!"

>>50882011
I'm not proyecting anything, I'm parading my deviancy.

>>50882049
Oh please you know the fucks get bitchy for less.

>>50882074
It's because skin deep its dumblr and thats enough to please retards

>>50882091
Sorry what? Think I'm missing some English expression I do not understand.

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>>50881472
I had fun imagining the faces of the waifufags if female marines become a thing but they're just regular SM with the Oglaf femazon head pasted on.

>>50882030
>I was just pretending to be retarded

Free rules!

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2016/12/26/stormcloud-attack-downloads/

>>50882117
skin deep=superficially

Why are bits so goddamn expensive?

>>50882178
Because people pay.

>>50882144
>https://www.warhammer-community.com/2016/12/26/stormcloud-attack-downloads/
Kinda cool but it's not for 40k.

>>50882178
They are worth what ever people are willing to pay for them.

They can be stupidly expensive, depending on popularity and availability.

>>50881523
I kind of think that people /do/ selfinsert into their armies which is why SMs are so popular.

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>>50881775
Do you guys like talking about /v/ stuff without actually going to /v/?

Pic related; OW is Schrodinger's progressive game. They've accused the game of cultural appropriation, white-washing, transphobia, male-gazey everything while at the same time furiously fingering their pink-hair-dyed cunts to gay/lesbian ships and talking about the game's retarded lore and worshipping it. It's like this game was built in a lab purely to be as mass appealing as humanely possible. It really is the perfect game for Tumblr.

>>50882178

Supply is inversely proportional to demand.
i.e. People will pay out the ass for those combi-weapons.

>>50881753
what army should i use to represent big guys? who should i proxy bane as?

>>50882250
Bullgryns, obviously. Big guys with masks.

>>50881759
don't you have a Gender Studies assignment to finish or something?

>>50882250

This >>50882260

That conversion is based on a Ogryn kit too.

A Bane Orc warboss could work also but you'd need to make him really big

>>50880050

Only playing since this edition. In which way did vehicles get nerfed?

>>50882260
i was thinking stormtroopers in planes with like 300 conscripts and bane as straken

>>50882244
>Going to /v/
Noone goes there voulentarily.
It's like /b/ but without porn to make it at least slightly bearable.

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>>50882299

Need at least 3 Leman Russes in this scheme.

>>50882299
>every time you fail a grav-chut insertion
"they didn't fly so good"

>>50882291
Used to be vehicles could not be destroyed by glancing hits.

>>50882244
Lol what a faggot. One of the best things about having lesbian bros is just shooting the shit about hot chicks we would bang.

Tbqh it's pretty hilarious to see /pol/-tards cunting about how sensitive SJWs are when they'll throw a 'tism schism if they see black or brown skin on Guard or SMs. Drop a "happy holidays" IRL & they'll threaten to cut your kid's throat.

Beginner here, how would you start and expand a Chaos Daemon army? How expensive is it on the long run?

>>50882352

>every time opponent fails reserve roll

"uh, you don't get to bring friends"