Warhammer 40,000 General /40kg/

Sisterfag SJWs gtfo.

word bearers a shit

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>>50876060

I'm new to 40K am I building this right?

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>>50876090
t. Mad Gullimanfag.

>>50876096
yes

>>50876096
neat dreadknight dude

>>50876096
Yes this is exactly how you build devastator marines

i don't know if i want the emperor's champion and a bunch of scouts and be locked into black templars chaptact or a cheap iron hands hq and a group of non-slot techmarines and some scouts, throwing relics all over.

>>50876001
>being a WAACfag
The system was designed for narrative and casual play. All the tips in the rulebook are about how to better do narrative play. The most important rule is basically "don't be a dick, feel free to modify anything if it makes the game more fun for everyone".
Ypu are quite literally playing the game in a way it was not intended to be played, and WAAC practices ruin the game for people who want to use the system to have fun, not just win.
The only faggot here is you.

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>>50876102
>m41
>calth still around, has thriving popullace under the surface thanks to the work of the ultramarines
>Colchis is a lifeless shithole of a planet, the lifeless part thanks to the work of the ultramarines
>worst bearers still think they can talk shit

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How would you suggest I base my Custodes?
I was thinking about a palace interior i.e fancy floor but I don't know how to go about doing it.

Hope this is the right place to ask.
What is a good but cheap airbrush for painting warhammer 40k models.
I play Tau but do not have any big suits if that matters. I do have 2 remora drones and a barracuda if that matters. I also live in Australia so I would prefer a model or company rather than a link. Thanks in advance

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>>50876121

Then he should just play with people who are focused on winning instead of funning. Its not wrong, its just different.

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>>50876120
wut?

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>>50876121
this argument pops up often and is really saddening desu

you can play casual games and narrative campaigns with friends and have a good time

he can play competitive games and tournaments with friends and have a good time

IT IS POSSIBLE to engage in social interaction with people to talk about what kind of match you're keen for in advance

the answer here just seems plainly obvious to me and should be to anyone who isn't deliberately trying to have a sad time

>>50876150
I'm not saying he can't, he can play however he likes, only fags try and control other peoples lives.
I'm just pointing out the system was made for narrative play, and calling someone a "whiny little cunt" for telling a new player to use the system for what it was made for makes him a massive faggot.
But he is free to be a massive faggot, it's his god given right.

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>that feel when your bro got you limited edition 1k sons dice for christmas

>>50876120
silver and black marines with the iron cross so you can do both

>>50876148
do stone tiles or metal grates, also gold and eagles could work

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>>50876121
This mentality almost killed AoS till GW wised up and made the GHB.

>>50876148
Take model putty of choice, carve out tiles. Check out the prospero board for some inspiration.

>>50876159
See
>>50876168

I'm not saying that competive play is bad wrong fun, I'm saying the system was built for it.

WAACfags are fine as long as they are playing other WAACfags.

If you show up ready to stomp someone's face in and they showed up to have a good time than that's a shitty situation.

Gee it's like you should be open with your opponent about the type of experience you want to get before you schedule/start a game or something.

>>50876180
>>50876168
To quote you:
>casual and narrative play, which is the only type of play one should ever consider

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>>50876178
exactly. casual play has no longevity. the novelty wears off quickly.

it's why casual video gamers will go through 100 video games in a year and competitive gamers will be happy playing and mastering their 1 or 2 games for a decade.

wargames are expensive and preparing your minatures is time consuming. AoS has this massive buy-in and time sink for something you'd quickly give up after you got bored.

>>50876178
>implying a shitty rule system and horrendous fluff wasn't what almost killed AoS
That game could have been purely competive focused and it would not have changed a god damn thing, a 4 page rule set by GW will never turn out well.

>>50876191
but if i notify my opponent he might turn down my skyhammer spam list.

>>50876202
before they added the handbook, I should clarify - and even then it's one fucking flimsy bandaid.

>>50876191
This really. There is no wrongfun. You just need to find a playgroup that's looking for the same thing out of the game as you. 40kgen of course crosses both groups and so you get the tension.

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>>50876102
mad about angron coming to save your pussy ass when I was kicking your shit in

>>50876192
Yes, and? Should I have told a new player to go buy Taudar wraithknight plus riptide wing and only play hyper optimized lists? Is that what you would prefer people suggest?

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>>50876203

> a 4 page rule set by GW will never turn out well.

What about a two page rule set?

>>50876232
No I just don't think you should smugly act like everyone agrees with your worldview and then start arguments when you get called out on it.

>>50876202
>casual play has no longevity. the novelty wears off quickly.
No, a shitty 4 page rule system that shat all over a beloved setting has no longevity. Focus on casual games was in no way the problem with AoS, seeing as both 40k and WHFB had that same focus and and are/were still competent rule systems.

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>>50876232
No. You could have said. "Depends on your playgroup. If you mostly play friendly narrative games Orks and IG are both great, have cool models, etc. etc."

Basically you deliberately baited the WAACfags with that comment and reaped what you sowed.

So am I the only one always reading WAAC as Waagh! ?

>>50876256
Waagh at all cunts.

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>>50876252
>your brother shoots you in the back because his new imaginary friends told him too

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Posted this before, but what left-handed models are there? The 25th/30th anniversary models are, but what about the rest?

>>50876155
I really like the emperor's champion but i'm not fond of the black templar's chapter tactics, and i'd be mainly using scouts as an add-on to an inquisitor and his human task force. Iron hands has a hella nice chaptertactics and the idea of a cheap hq and techmarines bringing the scouts along and being festooned with relics also amuses me.

>>50876244
I never once said that everyone agrees with my worldview. I disparaged those who don't. And considering tourneyfags are a cancer on the game responsible for such great contributions as riptide wing, gravhammer, scatbike spam, SMASHFUCKER PRIME, screamerstar, etc. etc. I stand by my insult.
Feel free to play WAAC lists, but deal with the fact that I will call you a faggot for doing it.
That said, if two players agree to play that, all power to them.

>>50876277
not sure, but marines are ambidextrous

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>>50876265
>chaos gods
>imaginary

are you still stuck in the great crusade anon

>>50876280
you can use the emperor's champion model as a count-as chapter master, unless it's the rules you like, in which case you're stuck.

Looking for Deathwatch modeling advice.

Should I bother with making any of my veterans close combat units, or should I just use terminators for that? I was thinking of having a unit maxed out on frag cannons, a close combat unit with a blackshield, and the last unit being equipped with shotguns/flamers.

I have no idea what I'm doing.

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>>50876299
of course they're imaginary dont you trust your local priest?

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I'm still waiting to decide between 30k and 40k Thousand Sons so I'm only theory crafting but it seems super hard to make a good TS list under 2000 points. My list here is 1995 with the Exalted loci of Creation (which the builder doesnt appear to have) on the Herald allowing the horrors to split twice. Anyone else got any ideas/criticism?

Also Thousand Sons have been out for a bit now so who's played a game with/against them? How did it go?

What's the best option for storing and transporting minis that doesn't involve paying GW $100+ dollars for a glorified briefcase made of plastic?

>>50876319
Only if you invest in a Corvus.

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So, the Forge World puzzle jigsaw is.....?

This looks like an axe.

Or maybe it's Magnus's glaive? That was like a giant axe thing in Blanche's art? Magnus was suppose to be the next Forge World Primarch.

Thoughts?

>>50876351
Maybe in the future. What about beacon/drop pod shenanigans?

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>>50876370
Khorne daemon prince.

>>50876351
Also: Opinions on shotguns & heavy combi-flamers for a squad?

>>50876304
>>50876280
I want to mathammer Emperor's Champion vs Brotherhood Champion. Then maybe Emperor's Champion vs Crowe.

Wonder who wins.

>>50876233

Is that a new starter set?

>>50876384
Ah. I seem to have missed that picture. What other models have I missed then?

Thanks for that though. Is it a generic or a named one or what? It has a shield. I don't think any DP's, AoS or 40k can use shields?

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>>50876341
Pay some other company $100+ dollars for a glorified briefcase. You get what you pay for with carrying cases. If you're too cheap for that then just used a cardboard box with eggcrate foam / toolbox with eggcrate foam.

>>50876412
We don't know, that was at the Amsterdam open day, and all that's known is Daemon Prince of Khorne.

>want to collect Deathwatch
>love Cassius' Kill Team
>see Deathwatch release
>all excited
>then notice the models have gorgets on their power armour

Dropped. Even if I liked the gorget, Cassius' team doesn't have that armour type so it wouldn't uniform in.

>>50876405
No. It's a special line of 40k products designed to be sold at toy stores.

To anyone who got it, would picking up two Armored Claws give me enough GSC decoration bits to do up a Guard Sentinel and Russ? Want to put Cavalcade together.

Competitive hammer might be cancer, but I still felt like a hard mother fucker that time when a dude pulled out inquisition/imperial guard list with wryvens and tanks out the ass against my poor little skitarri and I held him to a tie.

>>50876405
>>50876446
The minis are the old Black Reach starter set ones.

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>>50876447
Probably. They also make a GSC Russ that comes with the upgrade sprue too.

>>50876405

The Battle for Vedros stuff has been out since early this year.

It's basically the old Assault on Black Reach kits but with new simplified rules (two pages) and fewer references to the more grimdark elements of the universe.

They're sold in Toy and Hobby stores that don't traditionally carry GW stuff. The idea is to get kids or people with no knowledge of 40K eased in to the game at a low cost (that kit is only $50) with easy to put together minis (they're all pushfit) to try and get them to later transition into the regular 40K rules and gametypes.

>>50876431
Hmm. Thanks. Probably named then.

>>50876477

I'm aware, but Russes are available really cheap on ebay and so I'd rather just pick one of them up while buying the great package deal from the store.

The GSC Russ box art does look really spiffy though.

>>50876121
>2016
>Still believing it is impossible to have fun by playing a competitive game
>Still being a competitive player that is so bad he must pretend winning strategies are against the rules in order to justify to himself why he keeps losing, and to give himself a chance to win
>Still trying to ruin edh and Warhammer with your passive aggressive bullshit

"""casuals"""" like you are the worst.

>>50876486
Most likely.

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>>50876060
Dark angels are the best chapter hands down

>1st legion
>chased down Konrad Cruze like a dog
>fucks him up
>purges his ranks of traitors
>only space marine legion to not seriously get BTFO during the horus heresy.
>It takes the dirty trickery of all the chaos gods plus luther to take him out
>gets blown up and spirited through the warp and survives

meanwhile the "ultra" marines primarch got stabbed with a slightly dirty dagger and now is fucked up.

pic fucking related, there is no cooler image of two primarchs fighting

>>50876497
>2016
>not reading the thread

slaaneshi or nurgle daemonkin fucking when GW?

>>50876423

I've actually been eying the $50 skirmish case because my army is small, but it looks dumb as fuck with all of those weird lines on the outside. I already take the bus to the gamestore I don't want there to be any more reasons for me to look like an idiot.

Not to mention having a giant CITADEL logo on the side is a good "STEAL ME" sign for anyone who knows how expensive Warhammer models are.

>>50876495
Gotcha. As long as you stick to one big emblem per vehicle two claws will give you enough for 2 Chimeras, a Russ, and a Sentinel even if you give them all visible tank commanders.

>>50876519
>dark angels
>chapter
why are you lying to yourself anon

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>>50876528
they are too busy with SOB and Deathwatch to pump out a new codex

ya they released some new nurgle models when AOS hit but besides that they would have to make new casts

>>50876519
>Talking about fluff
>Using BL shit
Pick one.

>>50876522
I did. It makes no difference, """casual""".

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>>50876528
Death Guard are rumored since "Deathguard Green" paint showed up in the Christmas Gift Guide.

>>50876537
except that models have literally piss poor resell value?

I can go down to my game store and buy a set of tactical marines for 35 bucks, or by the same marines assembled for 15 or less on ebay.

>>50876519
Fucking disgusting heretics.

Your Legion-building, Fallen-hiding, Xenos-loving days are over soon.

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>>50876567
Would love to see deathguard

they are hands down my favorite looking Chaos models. People go nuts with making them look like disgusting puss fill heaps of shit, its awesome.

>>50876495

Has anyone run a vanquisher cannon, lascannon and multi meltas in a GSC army? Considered the load out on my second tank for my GSC

>>50876556
>it's a /pol/tard acts like a faggot episode
Nobody said you couldn't have fun playing either way. Nobody said you couldn't play either or both ways.
I know that retardation is common amongst /pol/acks, but at least try to apply yourself

>>50876251
Yet, there is, and continues to be, a /aosg/

>>50876570

Even the smallest Citadel carrying case can hold 60+ infantry plus a bunch of vehicles.

Repostan my murder talon list because I only got retard replies bitching about lack of raptors
Warband
Chaos Lord, Stormbolt armour, power fist, aura of dark glory, Jump Pack
Sorcerer, ML3, Termy armour, Force Stave

Chaos Termies, 3 men, 2 Chainfists, combi-plas all around

2X Chosen, 5 man, 4 plasma guns, Dreadclaw

Warp Talons, 6 men

Helbrute, Reaper Autocannon

2X 10 man CSM squads, 2 Meltagun, combi melta sarge with bombs, Extra CCW

Spawn

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>>50876572
except their were basically the only chapter to see through horus's bullshit about scattering the loyalist legions

>heritics
>basically prevented the entire imperium from falling apart during the horus heresy

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>>50876060
Anons, how is the Pyromancy and/or Divination tables? I want to start up a ML1 Psyker heavy 30k WB army, and I thought a trio of dudes given 'Holy and Divine Flames' or the power to divine their foes sounded cool.

How would you rate either of those disciplines?

Why does everyone including 40k fans shit on this general?

>>50876643
That was 10,000 years ago, today you kill loyal Impeial citizens, Inquisitors and fellow Space Marines, basically have an entire Legion and consort with Xenos and let them in on all your secrets, that you kill Imperials for learning.

You're a bunch of renegades and need to be stopped.

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I don't like the Space Marine motorcycles, but I like their capabilities.

Thinking of replacing them with these since my group is fine with plays as rules as long as they aren't cheese (since these would be bigger than the bikes I don't think that would be an issue).

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Reposting my trial paint scheme for critic. Haven't thought of a name yet either. How do people come up with the lore behind their armies anyway?

>>50876615
I mean, I guess. But seeing as the WHFB General is more alive, that's not saying much

>>50876609
What does pol have to do with anything? Are you retarded or something?

I just know your type m8. Seen enough of you in Warhammer or edh. You're fun police, but your real goal is to set up the rules of the game such that only you can win. You don't actually care about fun, just winning. Except you're so bad at the game, the only way for you to win is to try and outlaw every strategy that beats you. You'll very carefully construct a definition of casual to exclude everything good you don't play, but coincidentally include everything good you do play.

Things will be alright, and you'll largely be ignored in your local community, until a second player like you comes along and tries to declare the stuff you use as antifun. Then shit hits the fan.

"""Casual""" players like you, if not ignored, destroy local gaming communities.

>>50876689

absolutely disgusting.

I love it.

>>50876669
What 40k fan was shitting on here? Because as bad as this place may be, it leagues better than anywhere else on the internet.

>>50876669
It's the rule of generals. Those who post in it hate those who post in it, and so they post.

>>50876319

Following this, whats the most competitive way of running solo deathwatch

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>>50876701

>>50876716
Frag Cannons. Just glue them to everything.

>>50876277
There's a left handed legion of the damned model I know of

Is reading the wikia going to be easier to wrap my head around the lore than trying to read all the books?

>>50876727
Would you bother at all modeling close combat veterans?

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>>50876673
You mean the same crazy ass inquisitors that also kill loyal civilians for so much as sneezing a wrong way?

if anyone found out about the chapters past they would probably try to turn the entire imperium against them.

On top of all of this they are the only ones with any foresight to realize that chaos is enemy numero uno, and that stoping chaos no matter the cost is what is really important.


>your just jealous of the gross amount of accessories the models get

>>50876702
It's supposed to be like, a dark red/purple winey color and a dark brass/gold! But I mean...it's MS Paint. Use your imagination!

I have no idea how this is going to look on a vehicle

>>50876727
Shotguns a real option?

>>50876689
in reality i dont think this would translate very well onto actual paint

The blue and white are very cool and light colors, yet the purple is very florescent and would contradict the other colors.

If you want your guys looking cartoony / funky, which ther eis nothig wrong about, then go for it.

>>50876701
Anon, what you just said makes absolutely no sense.
I don't know who beat you to get your panties in a knot, but most narrative or casual players are nothing like you describe, they just want to make fluffy lists and have fun.
Perhaps you come from some bizzaro world where casuals and not arms races started by WAACs ruin metas, but that reality is not this one

>>50876601
I prefer the Exterminator, but the Vanquisher might be useful as a dedicated tank destroyer. Since I'll only be taking one Russ, I kinda wanted to use the generalist weapon.

>>50876690
Although, /whfg/ has not only years worth of lore, but also a whole tidal wave of new vidya, like Vermin Tide, Total War, Dread Fleet, etc. Meanwhile, /aosg/ has a similiar, and from what I can tell, higher turn over rate for threads.

>>50876756
>You mean the same crazy ass inquisitors that also kill loyal civilians for so much as sneezing a wrong way?

Sneezing is a potential sign of Nurgle's corruption. Sneezing the wrong way, doubly so. They are doing their duty.

>if anyone found out about the chapters past they would probably try to turn the entire imperium against them.

Every chapter had traitors. You're the only ones killing Imperials to hide it.

>>50876795
>Every chapter had traitors
Feels retcons man.

>>50876701

This guy gets it.

>>50876776
Actual casual players are fine moron. Pretend casual players that try to police your fun are like I described.

>>50876304
its a combo of rules/model. i like a person with a bitchin' sword who HAS TO DUEL and is fucking good at it,

>>50876817
And who exactly fits that description in this thread? Everybody agreeded you can play however you want, some people merely displayed a difference in preference and certain wordings caused some issues.
You said you read the thread, but if that's the case, you should have seen the multiple times where both sides said "you can play however you want"

>>50876822
>i like a person with a bitchin' sword who HAS TO DUEL and is fucking good at it
Play Chaos. They even get buffs every time they win.

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>>50876795
someone is salty that GW does not care as much about their terminators and bikes

>>50876851
SoB don't have either, so no.

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>>50876795
what is a couple lives compared the the ethical legitimacy of an entire chapter of space marines?

>>50876876
>couple of lives

Is anyone else excited for the amount of life that 3D printing will add to the wargaming industry?

>>50876781
That's the current tank I've been running and I like it. I'll be running at least one more.

Still, there's currently lots of walkers in my local group. I'm mostly not sure about the sponsons. With the outflank rule they might get some use..maybe?

>>50876804

what?

>>50876921
That wasn't always the case, he's sad that it got retconned.

>>50876280

It has no iconography on it. It can literally be used in any chapter that has wreath laurels, groin tabards, swords, and crux terminatuses, which is like 99% of them.

The only part that would really look off is the wreath as some chapters don't use that award because they aren't that flashy or closely related to the original legions.

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>>50876370
>>50876384
>Jigsaw for a model we've already seen

>>50876921
That used to be the DA 'thing' Anon. Having everyone and their mother have traitors/loyalists has changed that dynamic and kinda makes the Fallen retarded. And that saddens me.

>>50876936

except that has always been the case.

>>50876904
I ran an outflanking exterminator with melta sponson against a tau list that actually had tanks, and I couldn't be happier with how it performed. Made them want to shoot at it and 14 armor took a ton of firepower away from my acolytes without cracking

Can we talk about Inquisitor here?

>>50876961
The full picture got posted to their facebook about 2 minutes after they put the jigsaw up. It was hilarious.

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>>50876769
Well unfortunately I don't have the paints or the minis to try it out right now. I tried to fix it though.

>>50876986
serves them the fuck right. Primarchs are the only thing people give a shit about enough for a jigsaw to hype them

>>50877003

Wasn't the DG jigsaw Typhus and not Mortarion? Or was it Mortarion? I forgot.

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>Guilliman, Lion, Russ, Khan, Vulkan, or even Sanguinius might somehow make a return

I really hope it's the Lion. He's pretty interesting tbqh. He easily had the shittiest childhood of any Primarch and still turned out more than okay.

What is the best way to run Admech WITHOUT a war convo?

Dominus Maniple + Eradication Cohort/Cohort Cybernetica + Skitarii Maniple for some more Onagers and Dragoons?

>>50876839
Anybody who judges another person for playing casual or competitive is obviously a pretend casual. So just you. Everyone else is fine.

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>>50876883
>Current galaxy houses quadrillions of imperial citizens
> one quadrillion is 1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 (one million million million million)
>kill less than 1*10^-18 percent of those citizens
>that is less than 0.0000000000000000001% of the citizens in the imperium
>you do this to protect the lives of the rest of the citizens, you know, the 99.999999999999999999%.
>somehow they are the bad guys
>this makes sense to you


mfw this somehow makes sense to you

>>50876989
that looks a lot better, the purple is a nice detail rather than an overall color

if you want to do that scheme i would go with this version, i think it would translate to a much better looking model

>>50877045
Basically, if you're shooting for games above 1500 points, you're nearly forced to use War Convo just to stay up with the meta. Before then, you can have fun. Just about anything is pretty viable as long as you mix Cult/Skitarii. I personally love the Cohort Cybernetica deathstar.

In the fall of Cadia the black templar are lead by a strong womyn Celestia BECAUSE MUH WOMEN R STONK GENDER THEY LEAD SPACE MARINES TO BATTLE NOW.

FUCK YOU GW FOR NOT ONLY TURNING WARHAMMER FANTASY TO SJW PILE OF TURD AND NOW YOU ARE EVEN INJECTING WH40K WITH FUCKING FEMINISM BLIGHT.

I HOPE GW GETS BANKRUPT BECAUSE ANY COMPANY THAT GIVES IN FEMINISM AND RECRUIT FEMINIST FUCKS WITHIN THEIR RANKS DESERVE THE HARSHEST OF FAILS.

FUCK YOU GW YEAH IM MAD AS FUCK

>>50877032
Regardless, this would have been the perfect time to unveil the magnus model, since he was supposed to be done for Inferno's release.

>>50877049
>mfw there is now WAAC, casual/scrub, and now "pretend casual"

What...what are you guys even arguing about this time?

>>50877073
That's some babby tier ethics.

>Be part of a group that has killed millions of people
>Expect to not have tainted souls.

>>50877092

(You)

>>50877092
(you)

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>>50877043
this, plus the dude is a certified badass without being a blood thirsty shithead like the rest of his brothers

on top of this he is basically the only one, save magnus (pre heresy) and guilliman that has a outwardly friendly look. the rest look like they are always in kill mode, johson looks like you could have a conversation with him.


ya he is edgy, but not like russ or khan, and he is a lot more interested than guilliman

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>>50876730
Anyone know which it would be?
>>50876298
Really? Thought they were still pretty much right handed. How about other races?

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>Curze is a Demon Primarch

>>50877043
>Sanguinius
What?

>>50877092
Show us where the Battle Sister touched you, anon.

>>50877043
His Tarzan thing seems less sucky than Angron being mutilated beyond the ability of the Emperor to repair.

>>50877092

They're lead by cutie Greyfax because BT don't care what gender Inquisitors are.

>>50877092
(you)

You've earned it!

>>50876887

It's going to be a while before 3D printers can build at the resolution required to even come close to molded plastic and actually be cheaper than molded plastic (doubly so for Ching Chong recasts), so don't hold your breath.

Once that happens though, GW is gonna be fucked. Why do you think they're so lax on licensing out their IP for videogames and have been pumping out so many books? They're trying to diversify their revenue streams because (assuming 3D printing isn't a meme that is going to die in two years) there will come a time when the mass market $200 3D printer you order from amazon will be capable of building you space marines for pennies a piece, and then a lot of people are going to have to make some tough decisions.

>>50877146
I think he's more mad about Celestine, than Greyfax.

Both are great, though.

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>>50877092
last time I checked all the space marines were still white men and all the greatest figures in 40k, AOS, and Fantasy are all men

i think you should take your bait to >>/pol/

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>Fall of Cadia
>Curze is true Prophet of the 8th
Curze rules when?

>>50877113
yet the inquisitors you were complaining about being killed a few posts ago will sentence worlds filled with billions of innocent souls if there are even a couple of heretics on that planet

40k is a brutal, hostile place. All thinking is done "in the bigger picture" as casualties are measured in planets destroyed not lives lost.

>>50877092
(You)

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>start reading I Am Slaughter
>getting bored of them just slaughtering bugs for 20 pages

Any books more interesting?

>>50876384

Well, that overed quickly.

>>50877142
That's hot.

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>>50877212

> He doesn't like slaughtering bugs

>>50877212
Baneblade by Guy Haley

>>50877164
>being this deluded

I was laughing at your naivete 2 years ago, and I'm laughing at you. I'll still be laughing at you again in however many years into the future it will be when this never happens.

>>50877092
Angels are cool though.
I don't see it as a gurl power thing at all.

>>50877234

> I will deny the inevitable future

Hope that works out well for ya, buddy

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>>50877233

IT'S THE BAAAAAAANEBLADE

>>50877261

Yeah we're all printing books and magic cards in our houses aren't we.

>>50877164
How many years do you think it will take to get to that level of 3d printing that your average war gamer could afford it?

I dont think anytime soon friendo.

GW just finally starting releasing their ip a lot more to games and shit because people have been begging for it and GW has had their collective head up their ass's for so long under Kirby.

The new GW realizes the money making potential, and the marketing potential that mainstreaming 40k can bring.


we just gotta hope it doesnt get fucked up by mainstreem niggers.

>>50877250

You're replying to bait.

The models look cool as shit though, you're right about that.

>>50877091
Feels kind of sad if the only way to be competitive at higher point levels is to get a truckload of free wargear and bonuses.

I guess a lot of that is how imbalanced high end formations are however.

>>50877164
And printers have absolutely destroyed Magic the gathering..OH WAIT!

Even if industrial 3D printers with awesome detail become widespread it will still take time, money and effort to start producing your own minis and even then you're not considering the value of a brand. It might help poorfags but if you think spending $50 a month for some minis is expensive then 3D printing your shit will probably be just as expensive to them.

>>50877292
Yeah, but the upper limit of 40k is 2000 points regardless, and the games usually take a lot longer once you even go past 1000. I think it's some kind of dedication ramp, basically. You play a 2000 point game, then you're willing to take the time to make that game worth your while, you know what I mean? Not to say 2000 point games can't be casual, but generally the more points invested, the more time invested. And that's where the WAAC feeling comes in. You spent so long on your army and you optimized it to be the best it can be at the so called 'tourney level'. So you want to make sure it does the best it can and all that.

>>50877274

Literally everyone I know who plays 40K just bought a tablet and downloads pirated .pdfs of every rulebook and codex they need. We don't print books because we've found better ways to pirate them.

>>50877280

New technology always grows like crazy in its early years. You would have to be an idiot to think that there is literally zero chance that consumer level 3D printers won't be capable of building minis that are competitive in quality to GW stuff in five or ten years.

It's obvious if you look at the issue with a long term lens instead of myopic ignorance.

>>50877234
Are you still laughing about video game piracy?
>>50877164
I doubt piracy will change much price wise, if anything GW will just make more advanced models to stay ahead of the consumers 3d printing curve.

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>>50877164
>be me
>print out MTG cards and go to magic event at local game store
>"sorry bud, we like to support the company that keeps producing this content, you are basically stealing from both them and the store, go away."


50 years later
>be me
>get my a son an ultra delux 3d printer
>prints out some 40k models and goes to game store
>"sorry bud, we like to support the company that keeps producing this content, you are basically stealing from both them and the store, go away."

>>50877299
The difference is that there is currently no viable alternative for reasonably priced wargame minis other than dubious China recasts. In a few years time, let's say 300 for a cheap printer+100 in setup costs. A normie looks at that, then looks at GWs outrageous prices and decides that GW can get fucked.

>>50877299

MTG is cheap as hell to get into. You can get a starter deck for chump change.

Meanwhile, how much does it cost to go out and buy your average 1,500 point 40k Army?

Can you see the difference here?

>>50877126
Hey sanguinius can't help but be blood thirsty alright?

>>50877334
>Are you still laughing about video game piracy?

Not him but I would be, vidya industry has done nothing but grow in the era of piracy, went from a small-ish industry in the 90s to multi-billion dollar giant that laughs at hollywood's tiny dick.

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>>50877331
see
>>50877299
and
>>50877349

>>50877350

Not only that, but a normie doesn't even have to pay that much. All it takes is one person in your gaming group to get a 3D printer. You could even split the cost.

>>50877349

> Playing at a store

Pure cancer. Garagehammer with friends is objectively superior to standing around next to sticky fingered assholes and neckbeards with godawful BO trying to find a pickup game.

>>50877384
Unfortunately, my gaming group sort of broke off a while ago. I have one other friend who used to play, who lives nearby, but he works all the damn time and doesn't even have time to go out for a beer most days. So a store is all I have.

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About to read this. I hope it's good. Really interested in Caliban and it's knightly order.

>>50877360

I like how (you) are intentionally focusing on MTG since you got btfo on books, and are intentionally ignoring the point that was made about the price difference between MTG and 40k

Couple that with the facebook quality image and it's just sad.

>>50877360
>Implying anyone will be able to tell the difference between legit GW casts and homemade casts once they are all filled and finished and painted once printers achieve a decent resolution.

Protip, they can't.

>>50877384
Also this, garagehammer is the future of wargaming. Bet all those autists will be mad when their local store shuts down and they can't powergame the fuck out of everything.

>>50877384
>shitting on gamestores


dude gamestores are the lfie blood of wargaming, it would be nothing without them


40k is the one nerdy thing i do and i surround myself with people who have no fucking interest in it, who else am I supposed to play?

>>50877402
>descent of angels
>Not talking about the Angels who are actually part of the good guys
I am disgusted

>>50877428

If your gamestore is small or has a cool vibe (like mine does) than that's awesome. Buy shit there ("pay where you play") and have a good time.

But if you live in a big city or it's a shitty corporation that doesn't care than playing at a store is awful. It's the place to go when you need X color paint and don't want to wait for shipping and the place to go to maybe strike up a conversation with another player or whatever but it's not the place to go for a game.

>>50877428
Outside of population centres, wargaming runs in local clubs who rent out halls and charge a small yearly fee for membership and use of club terrain/tables/amenities.

Shocking I know that we don't have to rely on malls for everything right?

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>>50877414
you have obviously never bought recasted models


it is super easy to tell the difference between even super high quality fakes and the real deal. Something you dont realize is that you can never produce a copy BETTER than the original. You have to be an expert painter to hid the fact you are using a recast.

>but muh resolution
will your models use the same exact plastic that gw use? will primer even be able to adhere to them? will they be the same color, texture, and weight unpainted as unpainted models?

i think not.

>>50876609
>casualfag branding his critic as a right-winger
Numale detected.

>>50876567
As in a Death Guard Codex? Right after the Traitor Legions drop?

DESU, if they're going to make another Chaos Codex (Which as a Chaosfag would start to make me feel like I was hogging the spotlight from everyone else), I'd rather they pump out Daemonkin for the other three Gods. Sick of Khorne getting so much special treatment out of the four because GW takes "Only War" way too fucking seriously.

>>50877467

> Implying my friends are going to give a fuck if one of them uses 3D printed models or recasts as long as they look decent and aren't proxies

> Implying I would ever play 40K at a Citadel store or in a tournament environment anyway

Yeah I'm not really seeing a problem here

>>50877331
>Literally everyone I know who plays 40K just bought a tablet and downloads pirated .pdfs of every rulebook and codex they need. We don't print books because we've found better ways to pirate them.

I buy the physical copies because it's feels so much better to use. The only reason to download the PDF's is to check if the rules I need are actually in the book. GW need to actually fix that shit. AM for example have rules/formations scattered fucking everywhere.

>>50877470
Not the anon you were replying too but I know its wishful thinking but i kinda hope all the main legions get either a codex or a dedicated supplement along with a main generic CSM update

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>>50877467
>Something you dont realize is that you can never produce a copy BETTER than the original.
You sure about that, kid?

>>50877488
>be (you)
> complain about GW shitty policies and prices
>complain about their marketing
>demand they do something different
>demand they fix 40k
>buy pirated models and recasts
>buy 3d printer so you dont have to buy their models

you are the actual problem

>>50877470
It would be a Campaign thing with a few Death Guard goodies, reprints of Plague Colony and the other rules from TL and then a bunch of Nurgle Daemons. You know, like Wrath of Magnus.

>>50877497
>he dies in every route

>>50877470
>Plague Drones instead of Flesh Hounds for Cabalstar
Pls make this happen

>>50877358
True, but I don't think piracy hurts industries, generally speaking.

I was more making the point that his attitude that piracy will never take off was stupid.

Sup, /tg/. Codex Marines player here, looking to branch out into Deathwatch because I fucking love their fluff. After giving the codex and 1d4chan tactica a glance over, I have but one question:

Why would I ever run anything but normal Veterans and Librarians?

Seriously, my experience with Codex Marines has taught me that Bikes are good as special weapons platforms (Which Deathwatch can't do because ?????) and Vanguard Veterans aren't worth the plastic they're made out of. Dreadnoughts are...alright, for dropping in with melta and flamer, but that's about it. And all the HQ choices seem to have the Space Marine Captain problem, where I can take them, or for about half the price, I can take a Librarian who makes the squad they're with actually better while being 'good enough' in CC.

I want to like the army, especially the Watch Master with his awesome glaive, but I just can't justify using anything else mechanically. Am I missing something, or am I choosing between 'Cool Models' and 'Good Rules'?

>>50877137
Sanguinor.

The only Primarch that CAN'T be fucknangled back into the story is Horus, and even then that's only as long as GW considers the concept of the Emperor obliterating souls to be sacred canon. Not likely when even Ollanius Fucking Pius isn't unchangeable.

>>50877510

> Company charges $50+ for literally pennies worth of plastic and cardboard
> Company intentionally changes rules and sets things up so you have to buy new $50+ books on a regular basis
> Company chargest 4-5 times more than other companies for the exact same shade and quality of paint

Yeah, that one guy is definitely the problem

>>50877510
The community has been raging at GW for the last, what, decade? About their price gouging and general not giving a fuck. What choices are we left with other than to give them the middle finger and pirate all their shit until they come around and start charging halfway reasonable money for their products?

>>50877467
>Implying anyone outside of a tourney is going to be fucking weighing weighing my models
>Implying anyone outside of a tourney is going to be visually inspecting them for casting marks

Protip mate, no one outside of official circles gives a flying fuck because everyone hates how GW are raping their ever reducing player base to squeeze every damned penny they can.

>>50877578
My basis on not using non-GW models is on the off chance I end up actually WANTING to join a tournament (god forbid) and the time/money I spent on alt models would be wasted in this effort. Other than that, I've never had someone bitch as long as I'm not, like, using Legos and Hot Wheels. And even then that might be fine if I'm just proxying shit.

210th for the archon!

What should I read for dark eldar lore?

>>50877557
>Ollanius Pious retcon

IM STILL RAGING FUCK YOU GW. HE WAS A NORMAL MAN WITH ADAMANTIUM BALLS WHO GAVE HIS LIFE HOLDING THE LINE THAT MANKIND MIGHT WIN THE DAY.

REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>50877571
>4-5 times more
Bottles of Vallejo are $3. Bottles of GW paints are $4.25

Also plastic injection molds are tens to hundreds of thousands of dollars a piece, and GW has hundreds of plastic kits. That is a huge amount of overhead for a company that sells something so incredibly niche.

>>50876060
Is there any way to make Straken solid in this edition? For a fun army list I want to include him, but 190 points for him and the command squad is pretty ridiculous.

>>50877557
What are you talking about? Abaddon is Horus's clone.

>>50877578
>The community has been raging at GW for the last, what, decade? About their price gouging and general not giving a fuck. What choices are we left with other than to give them the middle finger and pirate all their shit until they come around and start charging halfway reasonable money for their products?

You could, oh I don't know...stop playing?

"Waah! I'm still going to play but demand your prices lower! Waah!"

It's like people who tries to use the excuse of video games prices for piracy.

>>50877571
>pennies worth of plastic and cardboard

Design, supply chain and mass production equipment for plastics is clearly free, amirite

>>50877620
I think the only benefit from using Citadel Paint is the hundreds of online tutorials. I know I found a ton of Vallejo paints online for cheap but at the same time, I'm still a novice painter, so I'd rather take the easy route, you know?

>>50877610
I'm reading Path of the Renegade from the Path of the Dark Eldar series right now. It's fucking great.

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>>50877612
>HE WAS A NORMAL MAN WITH ADAMANTIUM BALLS
You have a strange definition of "Normal man", anon.

>>50877620

99% of /tg/ doesn't know what overhead is. 100% of the ones complaining about pricing/corporate structuring/manufacturing to pricing process of GW don't.

>>50877250
>>50877209
>>50877115
>>50877122
>>50877146
>>50877160
>>50877165
>>50877170
>>50877209
Feminist bitches deteced. I bet you also like Age Of Fuckmar.

Space maines used to be commanded by Chaplain or force commanders, Seraphims command Sisters of battle. Now Space marines are like the fucking dirt shit grunt that anyone can command them. Now seraphim flapping around with her roasty will be the new heroine preaching about muh equality and tits out for the emeperor.

DIE ALL OF YOU

>>50877571
>literally pennies worth of plastic

Plastic costs more nowadays. I suggest you actually do some research before making complaints. Raw materials is quite a large cost for manufacturers.

If you want to blame high prices, blame retailers. If you bought items as a retailer direct from GW they'd be a least 50% off.

>>50877654
I only use citadel paints because I can literally walk 5 minutes up to the GW and buy them. Vallejo, Coat de arms, reaper, army painter all have their strengths and weaknesses and are usually just as good as citadel. There's also comparrison charts out there for buying GW paint colors in different brands.

>>50877695
>being this mad
Is this how you wanted to use your Christmas evening, Anon? Chill. It's just a silly game.

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>>50877571
>pennies worth of plastic
I know because the designs, marketing research, marketing, graphic designes, artists, painters, molts, and sculpture artists were free right? making a new model requires no fiscal risk right?

>changes rules
becuase you people literally yell and bitch at them constantly to do so, of course they are going to demand change if you ask for it you retard

>charges 4-5 times more for paint of equal quality

where is this paint of equal quality that I can buy for 1 dollar? vallejo doesn't sell their paints for 1 dollar. and if other companies sell this paint for 4x cheaper why not just buy theirs, are you too moronic to color match?


pic related, its (you)

>>50877695
(You)

>>50877654

It's pretty easy to substitute colors. If a video tells you to use Celestra Grey, just look it up on google, oh it's a grey, I can just use whatever grey looks similar from Vallejo.

Obviously this might mess up your end result if you have a complex paintjob that demands all the colors compliment each other perfectly down to the R/B/G level, but in general, replacing GW's silver with Vallejo's silver isn't going to be a big deal.

I still use Citadel paints because of availability, matching the rest of my army, and because some of them are actually pretty nice, like their technicals and washes, or for specific colors that only Citadel has. Now that Vallejo has VGA I might check them out for the brighter colors since I always disliked VGC.

>>50877658
Cool, I'll give it a read.

Looking at the transport boxes since I want a rhino, but anyone know if the BA and DA rhino is just a vanilla one with an upgrade sprue?

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>>50877578

>The community has been raging at GW for the last, what, decade? About their price gouging and general not giving a fuck. What choices are we left with other than to give them the middle finger and pirate all their shit until they come around and start charging halfway reasonable money for their products?

thats the thing I never understood about people like you. If a store was selling a product that was too much for you to buy, and refused to lower it, would you feel justified in stealing it?

of course not

you only feel justified in this instance because you are not directly involved in the crime and use your mental gymnastics to be in the right

>>50877731
>upgrade sprue

it's the same rhino period.

>>50877728
Hm, I guess a lot of it is just hesitation? Like, I know I can probably get it cheaper, but even at this rate I don't even know what paints I need.

On that note, are any of the starter sets really worth while?

>>50877649
Both of those option give GW nothing, but stopping outright means that anon doesn't get to have fun with the models he does have anymore. That's dumb. I actually can't tell why you would choose to stop outright when cheaper models are available. Honor? Decency? It's the 21st century, everyone stopped giving a shit about dignity and honesty after WW2.

>>50877745
Well now I feel fucking dumb

>>50877695
here is a (you)

now please leave

>>50877738
I was once an edgy teenager who stole hundreds of dollars of GW merchandise from under the Redshirts' noses and gloated about it. And then later on I'd play a game and ask for their help and be a two-faced horrible sack of shit.

I'm glad I grew up and learned to appreciate gaming spaces. At the same time though, I'm still not buying things directly from GW so, uh. Woo?

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>>50877695

>tits out for the emeperor.

I'm ok with this

Also my friend found out I was getting into 40K and gave me a bunch of old stuff. In the box were a bunch of figures that look like this, along with a shitload of Warmachine I guess and some IG vehicles. Unfortunately everything is primed thick as hell so I have to try and strip it down and some of the pieces are missing from the vehicles and as a side bonus the guy my friend got everything from put it all together using elmers glue so it's all literally falling apart and needs to be reglued, but shit man free is free.

How old are these models? All I can tell is some of them say GW 1991 or 1992 on the bottom of the bases.

>>50877747

Don't listen to the faggots yelling on /tg/, if you are comfortable with GW paint then use GW paint. The amount of money you "waste" by buying one pot of GW over one pot of another brand is negligible in the long run.

I usually don't recommend paint sets and that you just buy the exact paint you need, but if you are a totally clueless beginner and need a matching set, try Scale 75 Scale Color. They make a ton of very useful and very coordinated sets, that you can just read the title and pick up and not have wasted paints. They are also a Golden Daemon level brand of paint that many players don't know about. Vallejo has some small sets too but they are mostly military themed.

Don't ever buy large paint sets you will never use all of the paints.

>>50877767
yeah i'm kinda with you

I'm at the "cheap second hand shit off ebay" stage

speaking of which, just snagged unopened Dark Vengeance for a comfy $75 straya dollars

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>>50877767
so you are just poor garbage

It all makes sense now.

>>50877552
Bumping this, as it seems to have gotten lost in the argument.

>>50877775

http://scale75.com/en/65-scalecolor-range
http://scale75.com/en/66-fantasy-games-range
http://scale75.com/en/67-soil-works
http://scale75.com/en/68-warfront-range

My favorite is their NMM sets.

>>50877731

If you buy a non-vanilla Rhino you'll get a sprue with the extra shit on it that makes it different. Sometimes it's better to get that so you'll have spare bits to use or barter with/give to friends.

The Deathwatch Transport is like $2 more than a generic Rhino but I got it because I know a guy who is building Deathwatch and can use the sprue.

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>>50877774
if im not wrong those marines are second edition models

so pretty fucking old

>>50877738
>If a store was selling a product that was too much for you to buy, and refused to lower it, would you feel justified in stealing it?

Actually in my experience most teenagers feel like this, particularly middle class ones that have money in the family but not enough in their hands to buy what they want.

>>50877795

Because there's more to the game than just cheesing with grav bikes and combi veterans.

>>50877806

Only the DW has that, the other non vanilla chapters don't.

>>50877812
I know, but I get enough of that feeling when I run Lysander. I'm willing to run substandard shit for the sake of personal enjoyment, but it leaves a bit of a bad taste, especially when I lose a game I know I could have otherwise won if I'd had one casting of Prescience available.

>>50877649
>It's like people who tries to use the excuse of video games prices for piracy.

Except nobody does that. I pirate video games but buy legit FW and I've noticed only faggots who wargame make all these excuses and brag about piracy. Nobody cares, talks about, or brags about pirating video games.

>>50877811
I think the proper analogy is: a store is selling a product for too high a price, so you buy the raw materials and make your own.

I don't see a problem with this at all.

>>50877738
>>50877792

I don't know what kind of retarded moral argument you're trying to craft here, but you're failing miserably.

Unfortunately for you, you just come off as a mindless corporate drone.

>>50877775
>>50877799
Oh wow, they seem to have pretty good variety too. And only 25 quid. What is that, around the same price as GW? That's not so bad at all.

>>50877829

There's no reason to play DW unless you like the faction or want tacticool marines. You're better off running vanilla and/or Tyrannic War Veterans and painting them in DW colors like people did pre-Codex: DW.

You can make a DW army that doesn't use their rules, they are pretty much just a color scheme and shoulder pad if you don't use their rules and wargear.

Part of the "cool factor" is that special wargear, but that's the thing: it's not grav, it's not super points bargains, it's not free Rhinos. They are cool, but they aren't cutting edge competitive.

>>50877852
You are missing that the product is proprietary. That store invented the product, and you are making a clone of it. This analogy would work if you got fed up and made a similar wargame, like mantic with 9th age.

Elon decided NASA was moving too slow so he made SpaceX, but he didn't just use NASA ships to do the same thing they were doing.

>>50877861

I think that's euros not GBP. So about as cheap as Vallejo. I don't know because I'm an amerifat

>>50877852
That analogy only works if you also design it from scratch and write your own rules for it. GW paid for someone to do that work, so why should you get it for free? Why are you entitled to the labor they already put in even before anything physical ever appeared?

>>50877866
Rule of Cool is how people get into the game, and also how they become disgruntled with it. Such is the way.

>>50877852
You made your own 3d models?

With that talent you shouldn't have any problem affording 10 legit FW warlord titan each month.

>>50877738
>would you feel justified in stealing it?

Who gives a shit if it's justified? I'm not crusading here, I want to play a game with my friends and don't have money to buy from GW. So I get something close enough from somewhere else. And the closest enough is ALWAYS recast.

I'm not justifying shit. I buy recast, or recast myself if I have time, because I don't have the cash to buy legit. It's how it is.

>>50877866
>they aren't cutting edge competitive.
There's a difference between 'cutting edge competitive' and 'hot garbage'. I'm willing to accept things that aren't just grav spam and free razorbacks, as long as they have something going on making them worth a goddamn. That's why I'm willing to consider Veterans at all - Sternguard aren't the most competitive unit, but they're a good, solid option and I wouldn't feel like I was gimping myself playing an army of them. That being said, I believe the rest of your post has answered my question - I would, indeed, be putting myself at exactly the point it looks like I would be if I tried using the bikes or vets or even the Watch Master.

It's really a shame. Amazing rules, cool model, and then they give his main buff to the codex as a detachment benefit. I'm almost considering running them as an Allied Detachment instead of the Blackspear just to justify using him. ObSec Sternguard are still good, right? Right?

>>50877898
As long as you don't try to do mental gymnastics to somehow argue that you aren't stealing or that you're not doing anything wrong, nobody cares but GW.

>>50877889
>mfw all these poorfags stuttering about recasts and 3D printing but trying to deny that they're poor
>they're just "savvy" they can totally afford the toys everyone else has

I always felt this way too. You could literally dick around on the internet in the evenings and earn more than enough spare cash to buy a real FW army after a year or two, but instead, you waste those years whining about it on /tg/ and trying to find out how to order from recasters.

You can literally buy anything you want from FW or GW that's not a superheavy with just $20-50 a month and not buying thousands of points of models per month.

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>>50877808

Damn.

It's hard to see from this angle but there's a bit of a size difference between these and the ones I just got.

I guess if I paint them up and throw them in with the rest of my spess mehreens I can always say they got lost in the warp for a while, haha.

>>50877898

Nobody brought about some kind of crusade against you for no reason. The only reason this discussion is happening is because you or others made it a problem to begin with. Just think on this, genius: if you didn't talk about recasting at all, none of this would be happening. It's because you faggots either gloat, whine, spam, or bitch about it that this happens. So YOU should just get a brain and shut the fuck up.

>>50877884
>>50877875
Intellectual property is imaginary. You can't own an idea.

>>50876764
Can't you take both shotguns and boltguns for free?

>>50877941
Ownership is imaginary. You can't own anything.

>>50877959
Death is an illusion. We're all kindling for the great fire.

>>50877941

Laws are imaginary too, what's your point.

>>50877941
ya maybe not in china

>>50877941
Dude, shut the fuck up. That's some hippy commune shittalk. Not even the actual good ideas those guys have.

How would any game designer make a living, genius? You can't copyright game mechanics.

>>50877959
Sure, but I can possess something. Like a recast or 3d printed space Marine.

>>50877919
well their molding techniques have really advanced, now that you dont have to mold it one model, they mold it in parts allowing for great posing and increase in overall size

as much as people bitch abotu gw pricing, they make the best models, so you have to pay the most for them.

>>50877990
Possession is imaginary, anon. You can only have it exist in the same general area as you.

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>>50877941
Shut the fuck up you fucking anarchist shitbag

Jesus christ I bet you're even a fucking aussie

>>50877989
Kickstarter, Patreon, selling high quality art or gamesets (you know, actual, physical products).

>>50878000
Okay. It exists in the same general area as a table, and I cause it to move in accordance with game rules published by gw

>>50877941
in china yes, but I am assuming you are living in a western country wherein this is false

>>50878015
>published by gw
So you're admitting the rules are theirs?

>>50878026
No, I admitted they caused the rules to exist, and printed the book which was scanned and then downloaded onto a tablet I possess.

What the fuck is going on in this thread

>ITT: Communist anon tries to convince us that he should be able to play with his recasts because GW cost to much.
Welp should we abandon thread now or later.
On a unrelated note what is the usual discount that you get from buying at your LGS

>>50878062
Buncha bullshit.

>>50877775
What is Golden Daemon level of paint?

>>50878062

Merry Christmas!

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>>50878015
>A company that makes and distributes a product worldwide should function on kickstarter and Patreon while selling art sets and non-model gamesets

>>50878067
>Closest LGS(I love the store, hate the employees)
20%
>Favorite FLGS, but it's decently far
20% and voucher for additional 10% off to total 30% when you spend $300, we all pile our purchases into our friends account so we have like 3 vouchers
>Closer FLGS
25% off, but limited selection at times

>>50876251
In my FLGS the phrase I kept hearing Fantasy players utter was "if they actually gave us fucking points I wouldn't mind so much. It's not even a playable game at present"
With the generals handbook now released there is a thriving AoS scene

>>50878067
I'm not trying to convince you of anything.

In stating facts.

Like the fact that I AM able to play with recasts and pirated books.

>>50878062
People who took a philosophy class in high school arguing with people who read a wikipedia article about it once.

>>50878090

It means Golden Daemon participants/winners have talked about using them, so you know it's not just some shitty hobby paint like Apple Barrel or Ceramcoat, or a sketchy not-so-great miniature paint brand like Humbroldt or Testors or Revell (who make great sprays, solutions, and other products, but their paints? ehh)

>>50878062

Fuckwit doesn't believe in intellectual property and thinks it's okay to steal other people's ideas and undermine their business.

>>50878062
Well, I ran out of things to discuss about my army. I made a paint scheme, sorta. Figured out what I was going to buy first, when my bonus check comes in. Realized that War Convocation is the only end-game for AdMech and I should learn to enjoy it.

Let's talk Kastelans for a second, /tg/. How does the Cohort Cybernetica work on the TT? Is it the brutally unkillable deathstar that I want at <1500pts?

>>50878067
Local GW never has sales of course (outside of the new box deals).

LGS occasionally does 20% off weekends for holidays and things.

I never play at the LGS. In fact, I've only been inside and bought something once.

I buy most of my stuff online. Paint, we store characters and cheaper kits I get from GW in store since I live 2 minutes away.

I bought a few really high quality chinacast characters too.

>>50878067
15%, since they buy from another LGS further away from me. They compensate by having alternative models and paints in the store too.

I'm okay with recasts and pirating, it's just that for some reason /tg/ and 40k pirates are insufferable cunts.

>>50878067
Not a single fucking LGS around me offers any kind of discount. Best they have is $10 back every $100 spent.

>>50878132

My LGS are also all at 100% MSRP. Don't know why. I just buy all my stuff online for 20% off. I haven't played at their stores yet but if I do I'll probably buy more stuff there instead of just walking in once in a while for 1-3 pots of paint.

>>50878097
Subscription models have funded many worldwide enterprises anon.

GW could have my business for models if they charged a price I was willing to pay for their current quality, or stepped up their current quality to match their prices. Until they do either, recasts are the best option.

>>50878113
...that was supposd to be a 'less than 1500 points' but I'm tired and not functioning at 100%. Too much pie.

>>50878132
>>50878128
>>50878121
>>50878098
Thank you all for your replys i was thinking about ordering some models from the LGS and was wondering about how much i should expect from the discount

>>50878152
>this poorfag thinks he matters

That's not how business works, idiot. And lol at "hur dur their quality sucks" then buying recasts. Their quality is clearly worth buying if you think recasts are worth purchasing.

>>50878152
You're not the market. Why do you think we care about your opinion? If GW really is shit, it'd be kind of obvious and not worth stating, wouldn't you think? No, because you don't think.

>>50878157
NP man. Good luck with the purchases.

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A lone guardsman on the left, standing next to what I am assuming is a terminator coated in a quarter inch of paint next to him.

The space marine in the back has what looks like a rabbit's foot or tail hanging from his waist as well as three claws hanging on his left leg below the knee, can anyone tell me what that is about?

Also can anyone help me identify the three models in the middle, as well as whether or not the two Orks are Orks or from some other game?

>>50878181
yea buying a fuck ton of cultist is expensive

>>50878131

Does nobody hide the trolls? I can't see any of this arguing.

That said, I own very few recast models, mostly individual characters that I otherwise just want to practice my painting on or some conversion parts for my bits box. Currently the largest I have is an R'alai, and I got an OOP Krieg Commissar for my friend's IG.

I've stopped, though, the resin hard to deal with and I can buy up many of these bits off eBay easily, albeit much more expensively. But, hey, points for legitimacy.

>>50878167
Anon, recast quality sucks, but it didn't cost me an organ to purchase.

If you can't understand price/quality ratios, then you really shouldn't be discussing anything to do with economics at all. Go take some remedial math courses instead.

>>50878067
Everything is priced the same as the GW. It sucks.

>>50878185
>The space marine in the back has what looks like a rabbit's foot or tail hanging from his waist as well as three claws hanging on his left leg below the knee, can anyone tell me what that is about?
Space wolves. They wolf the wolf with their wolf talismans and wolf claws.

>>50877402

Sorry do be a downer but the 2 books about DA in the HH series are best left alone. They're real real bad :(

>>50878177
I think you care about my opinion because you keep giving me (You)s over my opinion. I realize I'm not the market anon. Did I ever say I was?

>>50878190
>but it didn't cost me an organ to purchase.

Might cost you cancer however

Viva China!

>>50878190
you must have som real cheap organs if they only cost $150-$300

>>50878199
>GW could have my business

I'm laughing both because you actually said this like it mattered and because you're apparently too stupid to realize this comes off as what you're trying to imply you didn't do. Either way you're a retard.

>>50878190
>implying price to quality ratio for toy miniatures isn't arbitrary as fuck

Certain GW plastics are cheaper than recasts, so you're full of shit.

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>>50878185

Holy shit

>>50878256
It seemed to matter to you anon. I doubt that my individual decision not to purchase GW matters to the company, but in the aggregate lost sales to piracy generally might. Doesn't matter either way, since I'll just keep playing unless the rules start sucking.

>>50878269
If I encounter a GW miniature that is cheaper than recasting, or making myself, that I want, I'll obviously reconsider. Do you only think in black and white? Do you think that after expressing nothing but practicality, I'd refuse to purchase GW on principal if they offered the best priced product? You haven't been paying attention.

Playing AM against Ravenwing. What should I build to kick his shit in?

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What are you working on tonight, /40kg/? Planning any games?

Just wrapped up tonight by starting my hammer head. Hoping my bud will want to start our narrative campaign tomorrow, IG vs Tau, 750pts.

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>>50877660
>there's people actively trying to retcon this in favour of BL bullshit
>mfw

>>50877911

What's the most competitive list you can make for them?

>>50878325

Looks nice.

I'm out of primer and glue so although I have a Rhino and a Tactical squad still on sprues tonight I'm not doing anything.

>>50878322
I don't know your book well, but the correct answer to Ravenwing is Ignores Cover. Their 3+ rerollable Jink is actually better than a 2+ save.

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>>50878325
What the fuck...Let's see if it doesn't flip if I do it this way.

>>50878338
Thanks!

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>>50878290

>>50878379

We can rebuild him...

>>50878327
I haven't really tried cracking into it, but here's some thoughts I've had so far that could probably coalesce into a proper list:

Librarian + 4x Heavy Bolters in a pseudo-Dev Squad that sits on an objective with ObSec and throws around cool ammo out of bolters or, if you're close enough, boltguns.

Librarian + Normal Squad, 2 Heavy Flamers, 2 Meltaguns, and a Frag Cannon, in a drop pod in Kill Team formation.

Drop Dread with Heavy Flamer, Metlagun, and Teleport Homer in a Black Spear, with above Kill Team without drop pod ready to come in turn 2+

The one I'm likely to build, an Allied Detachment with the above squad and a Watch Master in a drop pod, with a Corvus Blackstar in Fast purely for air support.

As much as my inner Imperial Fist wants to love Infernus Bolters, they're just not worth the 5 points you'd save over a Frag Cannon...Since you can have bolter and heavy/special weapon (Thanks to Shenanigans) I don't see a reason to not put such a thing on each model.

>>50878387

These old models look cool as hell. I'm gonna try the Simple Green method for removing paint but if these things really are from the 90s than I don't know how well it's going to work on paint that's been attached to the models for 20+ years.

>>50878414

If that's a metal model, and you's extricated it from its plastic base, just acetone it. Or engine degreaser, which might actually be more powerful. Either way, both are pretty toxic and fuck up plastic, so be careful with it.