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Any Salamandres related good-decent novel?
(I don't care if 30k or 40k)

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>Curze is a Demon Primarch

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>Fall of Cadia
>Curze is the true Prophet of the 8th
Curze rules when?

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Wip raptor talon

Will 3 Melta Melta Combi Melta and a Melta fist lord be a good idea for black legion?

Seems like with some good rolls I could disrupt some enemy vehicles turn one. Is it worth the 500 pts

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Painting Veridyan on this most holy of days - have YOU praised The Emperor this day anon?

>>50865367
>>50865379
why do you keep posting this stuff you typed up in word?

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>>50865389
They are beautiful.
Not as beautiful as attached though.
But still very beautiful.

I really hope things aren't going to turn into Horus Heresy 2: Abaddon's boogaloo.

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>>50865399
It's from Void Stalker, by ADB, thanks for showing us your pathetic ignorance though :)

>>50865399
It's in the BL Mega in OP BTW.

>>50865400
Fuck those night lords make me moist

I think I might need to do a proper night lords force, time to talk to the chinaman

>>50865413
>fanfiction
oh, its not from a codex or ruleset then? hit me up when its actually canon

>>50865367

I still don't understand why you think this is Curze as a Daemon Primarch. It's not like this is a present depiction of him in M41. It's most likely someone from the past remembering Curze during the Heresy.

>>50865463
I am spamming my headcanon as we speak silly little billy, don't stress about me spamming it once it comes true.
Every single Primarch is coming back in the next few years except for Sangpenis, Horus and the 2 forgotten Legions
Whether you like it or not there is room for this in the current canon.

>>50865389
>keeps spamming his crappy oversized uncropped blurry photo

Why are NL players such faggots? The Daemon Primarch guy, this guy, Curzefag, the "we're Space Sharks" people. Why?

Is it cause they're so edgy and skin babies?

>>50865413

I'm sure a novel from 2012 means we're going to get plastic daemon Curze in 2017.

>>50865471
It is, it is a conversation about who Curze was at the time of his death. ADB throws a lot of hints towards Curze's corruption, which means that in his death on Tsugualsa, far from the Emperor's light, his soul would have been easy to corrupt and twist in to a Demon Primarch.

>>50865491

Do Primarchs get to be resurrected as a daemon after death though? All the known Daemon Primarchs were turned while alive.

>>50865476
>Think we are special for liking them
Thanks for that wonderful insight

>>50865482
All the Primarchs are coming back, there is alot of evidence for this, I have shown you the inroads to how they can justify Curze.

>>50865494
While there is no evidence of this happening with Primarchs, it has happened with plenty of Space Marines in the current HH lore.

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>>50865476
Also
>YFW I am the Deamon Primarch guy, this guy and the Curzefag all in one perfect little package

What's better? 5 squad of blasterborn in a venom w/splinter cannon? Or a ten man squad of kabalites in a raider with splinter racks w/ blaster and splinter cannon?

>>50865473
ok, ill let you have curze as long as i get corvus corax, the best and most trusted of all the emperor's primarchs, back

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>>50865338
>Any Salamandres related good-decent novel?
You do know who has a monopoly on them right?

>>50865550
Blasterborn will demolish vehicles, Raider Kabalites are more durable and slightly better at anti-infantry if you Jink.

>>50865570
You will in the next few years, stress less little buddy.

>>50865476
>Why are NL players such faggots?
For a second there, I thought you hated all Dutch players.

>>50865570
>Corax
>most trusted
>after the travesty with those clones
l m a o
How does it feel knowing you will never be as good as Dorn?

>>50865322
>posting on /tg/
>on christmas day
what is wrong with you sad faggots?

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>>50865575
Thanks

>>50865596
Why are you here?

>>50865596
My son is in bed, and I have Curze shitposting to do. Just because you are under 18, and Christmas is still important to you doesn't mean that we all still give a fuck.

>>50865596
>what's wrong with us Faggots posting o. Tg today
>posts on Tg

R u ok?

>>50865588
>only primarch that the emperor trusted his secret of cloning with
hey wasnt dorn just sitting around twiddling his thumbs while sangunas and the emperor were getting kilt?

>>50865603
>MFW I am on a board with young cunts who still care about Christmas :(

>>50865596
its 3am, the wife and kid are asleep and i need to up the amount of corvus corax posting, it seriously is lacking on /tg/ does anyone here even play ravenguard, i dont think ive ever seen any army pictures here or in /wip/ of them

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>>50865662
Were Ravenguard even around during the HH? I thought they were a successor chapter

>>50865600
>>50865611
>not wanting to kill time whilst your in laws dick around
i mean,i know why *I* am posting, i wondered what everyone else's excuse was.

>>50865706
19th founding legion mate, they were on istvaan whatever shithole when the traiters traitored and got all but annhilated, something like 5k marines left out of however many a legion was, over 100k marines

>>50865655
what killed christmas for you anon?

>>50865715
I have no friends. Maybe getting into 40k will help me network?

>>50865722
Having to travel to three different familes with my kids every year, just to keep them happy, while they then ignore my kids and get drunks.
So then I have tired, bored, disappointed kids on Christmas.
We did nothing this Christmas, and still had a shit one. At least my son is happy because he got skylanders.

>>50865715
Kids are in bed

Wife and in laws are watching some shit on the TV about the Queen

All I can think about is painting black legion dudes and getting back into 40k

>>50865750
Yeah my dude, join a 40k facebook group in your area, don't be a WAAC fag, and don't stress if your lovely little man dollies die en masse, its just a game.

I'm currently looking into building the endless swarm formation. It requires 3 broods if hormagaunts, two termagaunt broods and the obligatory warrior babysitters.
The question is, if I increased the size of oneof the termagaunt broods to 30, could I take a tervigon? Or would the tervigon require an additional brood of 30? Also, how many termagaunts should I keep in reverse for spawning?

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>>50865782
How's this for a list to start working towards?
Or should I start with a smaller list first, seeing as by the time I have finished painting my first 500 points I might get overwhelmed at what to buy next?

>>50865596
It's 6:30 and I can't go back to sleep. Going to take my grandmother to my uncle's in about 3 1/2 hours or so, and it's too quiet to paint or model.

>>50865768
If your family are shit just to tell them to fuck off, traveling around all day on Christmas is unreasonable.
At least wait until the day after to do mandatory family shit.

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>>50865782
I dont know how to link...

>>50865838
well, a kabalite warrior is a good start, but for 1500pts you might need a few more
(one is 8pts, btw)
and yes starting witt 500/1000 is usually a good idea

>>50865838
Have 1500 rough list worked out, start with HQ and some troops and aim for 500, but you won't get much out of the game until about 1250 points in my opinion.
Try and find a shop doing a slow grow, that is a great place to start, as you can build up your dudes alongside other people.

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>>50865873
>>50865867
Uhh, yes of course. Are some colour schemes easier to paint than others? I know darker colours are easier to pain, but are some darker colours easier on novice mistakes? I was thinking either a deep purple (last hatred), violet (the severed hand minus the green) or a dark crimson (flayed skull)

>>50865720

Can't be, I've never heard of any chapter called "Ravenguard" not in 40k and surely not in 30k!

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>>50865946
It's too early in the morning for me to post on /tg/.

>>50865473
Alpharius and Omegon better stay dead. Let it fucking rest already.

Merry Sanguinala you tremendous fags. Yes even to you Craftworlders.

>>50865995
They are coming back, make peace with if friend.

>>50865995
Omegon aint dead you dummy

Merry Christmas guys, hopefully I'm going to get my first 40k army next year.

>>50865940
You got your Archon loaded to bear for melee combat but no melee squad to stick him in.

Also Realspace Raiders might seem flashy, but remember that first turn cover save doesn't stack with jink and you are giving up FAST MOVING OBJECTIVE SECURED UNITS which win maelstrom games, trust me. If it was me i would drop a unit of scourges for a Ravager so I could make it into a CAD but if you got your heart set on Realspace Raiders then don't let me stop you. Just be aware that it's a very shitty bonus that you have to really build around to get your money's worth.

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Rate me? 2500 points, Gladius with Convent, 1st Company Task Force and 10th Company Task Force

Idea: 3 Drop pods, 2 of them with locator beams. I can get 1st turn and then set up my devastators in the back and let them fire on everything on the table, with support of the dreadnoughts.
I then use 2 of my 3 drop pods to attack the bulk of the enemy, and use a locator to get two Terminator squads with attached Librarians to the front.
The bikers with the captain and the Vanguard and Assault squad with the Chaplain flank the enemy. The troops with the razorbacks attack directly.
The tactical squads are simple 5 man squads with a specialist weapon, often flamers.

Does that make sense?

>>50865400
Oh? what is that? How I get that? For which armies I can use it?

>>50866051

It's easy once you can afford $50 or more a month to waste of whatever you want. The only time 40k ever felt expensive to me was when I was broke or jobless.

>>50866135
Well I'm pretty much broke and jobless at the moment. That'll change once I'm done with my finals and get a proper job though.

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>>50866060
Good points, thank you. I will change to a cad.I realised afterwards about the lord having no real role. The cad certainly does add new restrictions and choices to consider

>>50866168
At 1850 I tend to run Double CAD to get all My Fast Attack, and four troops is a tax I don't mind paying, also as Deldar we get the privilege of taking a 10pt HQ for our second formation if we want. Of course double CAD might be too restrictive at 1500 pts, but just something to keep in mind as your army get bigger.

What would Christmas be like in commoragh

I'm starting to get into 40k at this point, right now I'm in the middle of reading the rulebook and I have the Necron codex (heard that they were an OK start). To get around the cost of making my first army and so I can get some idea of the game to see whether it's really for me I'll actually be playing 40k on Tabletop Simulator. I have a bunch of Necron models already (not an Obelisk, Triarch Praetorian, Command Barge or named character e.g. Nemesor Zahndrekh) and since it's TTS I can spawn in whatever I need that is available. Any suggestions for a beginner army (points are up to you)? I can clarify anything further if necessary.

>>50866216
Every day is christmas in commoragh

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>>50866222
Feel free to use my list as a base anon (at least the Reclam Legion)
I went Destroyer Cult because i'm actaully a DE player and like fast units

Is there any secret dark/2nd founding SM chapter that are rumoured to be the loyalist successors of the Alpha Legion? Like the Silver Skulls - IW and Minotaurs - WE connections.

>>50866248
Thanks kind anon, this looks helpful.

>>50866222

Just watch battle reports on Youtube, also go to a store and make them show you the game, touch the models etc. in action, trust me there is a vast difference in reading the rules and actually intreptating them in real life during a game.

Don't jump straight in with models and paints etc, actually take your time and see if the hobby is for you so you don't regret it.

How does this sound?

2 Units of Centurion Devastators
2 units of tacticals with 2 rhinos for each
1 unit of Assault Marines

>>50866253
Raptors probably got replaced by Alpha Legion when they got declared wiped out in M37. By M39, they were at full Chapter strength, had a new Homeworld and using stuff like camo armour after prior having bright yellow and blue armour.

>>50866287
like its missing an HQ,and that you are a grav-spamming dick guzzler

>>50866297
when i use my HH AL as marines,i always use raptor tactics: it fits AL so well!

>>50866287
It sounds like you're trying to give your tac squads two dedicated transports each.

You can't do that

>>50866297
That one sounds cool. I was wondering about this and thought about making a OC chapter, but this might work too

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So i have this list and im not sure how to outfit my guys anyone know what to do?

>>50865940
welll
a) your list is illegal, you can only take a splinter cannon on a 10dude squad
b)nightshields on razorwings

personally I prefer more smaller squads in cheap raiders/venoms as they die fast and when a transport explodes it takes many warriors with them

as for painting, its best to try (hint the old 3rd edition dark eldar look shit compared to current, which is why they are VERY CHEAP on ebay. Great for tryin colorschemes, learning to paint....)

>>50866408
Can't trust a work out of her mouth anymore since "Sisters soon" became "Sisters....eventually"

>>50866418
So what? She can't be 100% accurate, no one really can unless they're actually a higher up for GW.

>>50866409
Doh! Of course! I deleted one kabalite to make room for the archon, thanks for the correction anon :)

>>50865338
Scorched earth is the best, either that or the last short story in tome of fire (don't have it to hand so can't give the proper name sorry)

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>>50865389

Will GeeDub do a Boxing day sale?

>>50866511
>sale
You must be new to gw frondo

>>50866511

Nope

BTW going to the 2nd of Jan Open Day at Warhammer World if anyone wants me to pick up the limited stuff to sell to them.

>>50865596
>not dropping by to say merry Christmas
Merry Christmas everyone

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>>50866524
>captcha is of pizza

>>50866511
look at all their christmas sales and tell me if they're going to do other sales around the year that actually mean anything

>>50866524
Get intel
Ask for COMBINED ADMECH CODEX

>>50865706

Corax was there during the massacre. He nearly killed Lorgar before Curze interrupted and he promptly tried to gtfo because he was fucked up and Batman can actually fight. He also lead a bunch of sabatage runs in the months following the battle.

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if I have my regimental standard inside a chimera, does it still have an effect?

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Check out newest order from China. FLAWLESS

>>50866183
>>50866168

Purge coterie, the formation from the SC! Box, isn't actually that bad of an option either btw. The Kabalites can actually be upgraded to Trueborn as per an FAQ.

The only thing I'm not 100% sure of it whether or not you can also take dedicated transports in addition to the raider.

>>50866563
I always get Curze and Corax mixed up. I honestly thought they were the same primarch seeing as Curze has an obvious Multiple Personality Disorder

>>50866600
kek

>>50866613

B...bruh what?

>>50866600
Better quality than some shit GW/FW have sold me. Luckily the bastards have a wonderful costumer service.

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Did I do good? Can I win now?

I want to pick up a baneblade for my IG force, which is fluff first- my army is a ragtag bunch of hit and run ambush style troops. in the defence of cadia, they got cut off behind demon lines, and are trying to break back through to friendly lines. so my question is, what type of baneblade would best suit this theme?

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>>50866624
You're a faggot and I hate you.

>>50866613
>>50866620

To be fair, they both fight with lightning claws, and on the table top, both are jump units even though Curze doesn't use one because he's Batman.

>>50866624

Dashofpepper, pls.

>>50866494
There is a certain joy about trolling if we can call it that, people on high horses.

Any 40k or even /tg/ related. I got nothing and my self gift are still in GW due to their 35 days made to order.

>>50866624
You cant buy victory
Trust me ive fucking tried

>>50866588
For the guys outside? No, I do not think so. I think this was clarified in the recent FAQ but I could be wrong.

>>50866643
I wasn't trolling. It probably sounds like I was since I was being overly nice, but that's just because it's Christmas and I don't have to work tomorrow

>>50866624

>3 standard riptides

You fucked up nigga, should have bought the 2 FW ones and a normal one.

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>>50866624
>mfw my MSU SoB has a chance in an objective base game.

Even better when Tau players says Dominions/Seraphim are broken and OP

>>50866693

I love Maelsteom of war as Sisters player with lots of terrain and shit everywhere.

>>50866693

A local tau player declares excorcists the most broken unit in all of 40k because I keep punching holes in riptides with them.

>>50866624
No stormsurges? You were this close to victory. THIS CLOSE!

>>50866652
Hillary Clinton is that you? So sorry maybe next elections.

>>50866687
I was referring to the Emma picture. If you ever feel sad, and want to turn angry to finally just sigh and move along with your life. Look her speech in the UN. Reality came crashing down on her.

Anyway Merry what ever the fuck you are celebrating.

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>>50866624

Wasting all that money when you could have just bought Supremacy Armour

>>50866716
It is almost a tradition for the "Gladious-wing subterranean Riptaide, war wraith knight or scatter bikes with free shit formation" that netlist hard and do not know basic gameplay to bitch and moan about SoB units.

Saint Celesting, because some how a T3 with no EW model is broken.
Dominions with meltas that can once per game ignore cover with a max of 5 meltaguns is OP.
Seraphims with hand flamers you know S3 things with shred once per turn is fucking OP.
Exorcist 1d6 S8 AP1 weapon in a predator chassis is super broken.

Think I found why GW never updates SoB, the rules maker comstsnle lose to their local SoB players and are very salty.

>>50866727
Thanks anon, it's boxing day now. Merry sales day!

>>50866664
Yeah for the guys outside, been reading that you can.

>>50866772

On the other hand, penitent engines.

Still due to the emperor's blessing, a decade of playing the game and a nearly encyclopedic knowledge of 40k rules my SoB have a fairly long history as giant killers. The only top-tier netlist I never managed to beat was a necron wraith wing when played by someone as equally skilled as I am - without me being able to outplay my opponent the difference in army power was too much for me to overcome.

I am convinced (though have no proof) one tau player in my group won't play me because he is afraid of losing.

>>50866863
6-9 Penitent Engine at 1000 points or lower are absolutely brutal.

Repentian troll killing Knights in melee is enough of a victory on itself.

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>yfw the disappointing selection of SM made to order
>yfw these guys are nowhere to be seen
>no metal scouts
>no nothing

So, I have a joke list I want to build with Word Bearers, where I take a Defiler as my Warlord and model it as a walking Cathedral. Do you think I can make this work, or what would you do differently?

++Grand Host++
+Lord of the Legion+
Sorcerer of Nurgle on Palanquin, w/ ML 3, Spell Familiar, Malefic Tome - 190
Another sorcerer, minus the Tome - 180
+Lost and Damned+
-Dark Apostle w/ Script of Erebus - 120
-2 units of 20 Cultists - 90 x 2 = 180
-2 units of 15 Cultists - 70 x 2 = 140

+Helforged Warpack+
Warpsmith w/ Combi-Melta - 120
Defiler - 195 - Warlord
2 Hades Forgefiends - 175 x 2 = 350
Ectoplasma Forgefiend - 200

++Daemon Ally Detachment++
Herald of Tzeentch w/ ML 2, Paradox and Exalted Locus of Conjuration - 120
11 Blue Horrors - 55

Total: 1850

10 Warp Charge base, plus I get a turn with an extra D6 Warp Charge. I have two casters that summon on 3+, and have 4 wounds each so I don't care as much about Perils (and that's even if I don't roll the power that lets them heal). A Paradox Herald lets me choose between an auto-summon or putting Prescience on a Fiend (Dat Ectoplasma w/ reusable Daemonforge). Exalted Locus instead of a 3rd ML so I can threaten the odd Battle Company Rhino; "more" units capable of AT is always ideal.

Forgefiends are so I can keep them alongside the Cultists/summoners to be bubble-wrapped vs Melta DS, and potentially benefit from Cursed Earth (so the Defiler gets a 3++). The Defiler is my Warlord because the Word Bearers Warlord table is hilarious. Besides a free boon, altering boon rolls, or giving Cultists Fearless or Furious Charge, the real prize is the trait that turns him into a Psyker. Aka Warlord Psyker Defiler.

Main challenge is defending versus Grav Skyhammer. I imagine if I go second, reserving the walkers will be a thing unless it's a dense board and I get good ruins to lurk behind.

Right, got 3 boxes of thousand son stuff for christmas and im writing an army list of 2k points for it. Atm the list is 3 exalted sorcerers 2 10 man rubric with reaper cannon and 1 6 man unit with 5 flamers + 2 5 man termy squad with reaper cannons (and some upgrades here and there)

However if i want to use the magnus decurion i need an auxillary. Thinking of dropping the 6 man rubric squad for a forgefiend/maulerfiend to help me with armor.

Ive never played chaos before (greenskins mostly) and id like an opinion from chaos players (I know you exist!)

When using the Primaris for Malefic powers you get a champion, an icon, and an instrument when summoning a troop squad of daemons. Does the same happen when you use Incursion (the 5th power)?

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>>50866966

>mfw neither of the North American webstores have been updated and I can't even order the current made to order models

>2017

>LEMAN RUSS OR THE LION ARE THE FIRST LOYALIST PRIMARCHS COMING BACK!!!!!11111111ZZZZZZZZZ

Why?

Vulkan is actually still active.

>>50867014
i want girlyman to come back.

>>50867020
Guilliman can be easily healed I think.

A bllod transfusion, maybe necessarely from another primarch, and patching up his neck.

He was a bit of a egocentric ass, but most primarchs where douches in one way or the other, so yeah, Girlyman back would be cool.

>>50867041
blood*

>>50867041
Hey they BA have plenty of their primarchs blood so its should be easy to get some.

>>50867080

do you want to give girlyman rabies? cos thats how you give him rabies

>>50867086
Hey he could use the red thirst it might make him interesting.

>>50867098
his unique trait is being the only one who isn't a nutjob

Take that away and you may as well not bring him back. Just make sanguinor go bloodcrazy.

>>50867086
He's the primarch of the obviously best chapter/legion that every other chapter wishes they could be apart of and will have to just settle as him as their spiritual liege. A little rabies isn't going to do anything to him.

>>50867014
>Vulkan is actually still active.

Unless he can Perpetual his way out of imploding, then as of the Beast Arises series, he's dead.

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>>50866350
okay so i tried to fix up my list a little C&C would be nice

>>50866980
>Thinking of dropping the 6 man rubric squad for a forgefiend/maulerfiend to help me with armor.

Do it. Warpflamers are awful - they're short ranged weapons on a slow unit which can't Overwatch. They'll either be shot down long before getting in range or be over-run in close combat. A Forgefiend is a much better pick.

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>>50867117

>Only Primarch apart from the Emperor who can actually canonically come back to life

>Thinking Implosion will stop him

Shoot. I want to run a covens decurion, but they're so expensive. I wish it was structured like other decurions.

>>50867123
Why 7-man Chosen instead of 5-man, and why Flamers instead of, say, Plasma?

Drop your Marines to 5-man teams, and use points to give your Cultists autoguns/flamers. You get 2 chances for a unit to respawn when it's killed so you can afford to upgrade them to at least threaten infantry with their shooting.

Also, Mindveil is incredible, especially if you join your Lord to a Cultist unit (conga-line it to your DZ) on turn 1. Keep the flamers behind, use them as a buffer and dare the enemy to charge. You're Fearless due to the Lord, and can just bail out of a fight to keep on shooting.

Think of Alpha Legion like playing Starcraft 1 where you micro tons of basic Terran Marines, again and again.

>>50866863
Any tips for a new sisters player? I'm really struggling.

>>50866494
another tip, you might consider replacing some trueborn/scouges with reaver jetbikes, if you start cause the Start Collecting box has a Raider, kabalites, reavers and an archon inside, giving you the jetbikes for cheap and they are good either with 1blaster/3 for sniping or caltrop for melee, not both.

>>50866944

9 PE is a severe handicp - they really aren't worthg 85 points each and certainly not worth it over exorcists.

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I posted this last night but passed out before I saw any responses. Playing a fluffy game against Tau on NYE 5000pts, only one super-heavy allowed each.

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>>50867194

Don't.

Joking aside there is only one good SoB list with a few variations.

Hard and fast rules

1) Celestine all day every day
2) Jacobus if you don't run seraphim
3) Use seraphim unless you go balls out MSU
4) Dominions come with metlaguns - the other options are tricks
5) If you aren't min/maxing battle sisters take 9 and slap a priest in with them
6) Mech or die
7) There are other heavy support choices other than exorcists?
8) Elites? Never heard of them
9) Use loaded dice

>>50867194
exorcist is the best model rulewise

while its cool, its a real bitch to assemble and carry and weights about 3ton due to all the metal, so you might pray for a plastic/resin/anything replacement to the current abomination.

>>50867190
Thank you anon. i thought more numbers of chosen would be good since they can infiltrate along with the cultist. Is plasma good ive heard its rather bad as it tends to blow up in your face.

>>50867209
80 points at 1000 points lower. They are the stupidest functional list you can make with SoB. The confusion enough can carry you throughout the game.

>>50866624
>MFW I played against litually just that a few days ago.

>As Chaos (No legion book)

Is this the standard tau list these days or are you all horrible forum reading WAACs?

I honestly want to know if it was just a freak incident or I actully played a thatguy.

>>50867110

Guilliman seems like the Primarch of Empire and governance. Pretty much no other Primarch can hold and unite territory like Guilliman. They all hold their own planets, but they do so because it's where they're rooted to, or they do so with some single-minded purpose.

Perturabo gets the closest, but he just makes "impenetrable" fortresses that are inevitably penetrated.

>>50867285
>I actully played a thatguy.
yes

>>50867285

What happened in your game? And what was your list like?

>>50867117

Multiple Primarchs have had their heads chopped off, dove headfirst into the warp, been flensed of all flesh, or otherwise just been killed. With the rumors abounding, it's likely we're going to see all 18 come back at some point because GW likes money and the Primarchs seem to be printing it.

>>50867285

Broadside spam is a new one on me but it's pretty much the standard tau army these days

>>50866624
Can I see your tears when you calculate how much money you could have saved, had you bouht start collecting tau instead of firewarrior and crisis boxes

you deserve the pain of failure

>>50867331

THIS

>2016
>Buying Crisis Suits seperately and not just buying two SC boxes

Nigga went full retard

>>50867194
MSU every day.

With the new Canoness Heavy Bolter Retribution squads with a side Exorcist can be useful.

Order of priorities: (Immolator unless facing Orks always carry TL-MM)
2x Battle Sister squad Heavy Flamer+Flamer+Combi-flamer 5 girl squad in an Immolator
1-3x Dominon squad 4xmeltaguns + Combi-melta in an Immolator.
0-3x Exorcist

That is basic SoB add shit as you see fit or like, for example seraphim in squads of 8 with 2 hand flamers pair. Never get the character unless you are running Celestin with it.

That is from the top of my head. Welcome to 40k in hard mode. Point wise, money wise and rules wise

/tg/ why is Lt Mira so goddamn hot? Shes not a beautiful person by any means and shes constantly covered in shit. Why does she make my penis go doki doki?

>>50867285
>thinks there are tau shits that aren't WAAC thatguys

jesus fuck

>>50867241
Basically, you lose a Marine for every 18 plasma shots you fire, since you make an armor save for every shot you fire, and fail 1 in 3 armor saves.

In exchange, you get Strength 7 AP 2 at 24" range and can double-tap in 12". Generally speaking, plasma kills them faster than it kills you. At least before cover/3++ invulnerables/invisibility are factored in, that is.

>>50867302
>All fortresses eventually fall
>Every Iron Warrior knows this

Dorn was more known for digging in and building "impenetrable" shit
Perturabo was known for tearing such things down

>>50866350
>>50866248
>>50866073
What system do you use for these lists?

>>50867348
when you're in a warzone for months on end even a piece of shit with tits will look attractive

>>50867373
Last thing in the OP

>>50867373

Check the bottom of the OP ;)

>>50867373
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>>50867379
>>50867384
>>50867386
>falling for the meme
Trolled on christmas :^)

>>50867234
>>50867236
>>50867342

So do I want the special character canoness, 3 exorcists, dominions and mechanized sisters then? Should I not bother with sisters blobs for troops to hold objectives?

>>50867393
Thanks for the (You) my man!
In the true Christmas spirit I will gift you one right back!

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>>50866588
>>50866664
>>50866796

Read the FAQ

>>50867397

You want as many SOB models as you can get your hands on before GW bump up the price on them again

>>50867310
Whent with a mono Slaanesh Chaos horde, because I wanted to use only my painted models, otherwise I would have played sisters.

He went first, two turns of shoot of the riptide (including a FW one) took about and hour or more. I had some demons aswell including a keeper as the warlord because I thought that was fluffy (it never saw combat ofcorse) and some tanks.

The Tanks got blasted off board by his stealthreararmorshootingbullshit formation, the suportfire flamers killed what melee I had and nothing had anything less then a 2+ either from armor or cover so my forgefiend got nothing done.

After realizing the mission was a joke with tau (using tau cards) I just went for the throat. My mauler fiend was blessed by the gods actully ate a boatload of his broadsides desite him overwatching a 2+ with rerolls (Marker lights bullshit) and my unit of seekers with the book managed to tank one round of shooting and ofcorse failed their charge after losing models to 6+ units of overwatching. But managed to get in and get his ripshits... Buuuut then they had hit and run ofcorse and got out.

In the end we ended on turn 5 because his shooting phases had lasted roughly 3 hours in total and I had turns for like 1 hour max, even with my cultist hordes, but i managed to eat most of his army in the end with ripshits going down to daemonettes and the seekers, and the most divine maulerfiend ever seen.

I can honestly say I didn't believe what you folks told me about tau until I faced it myself. I am however proud I did as well as I did.

Pic related, My little girls that did Slaanesh's work in that game.

>>50867432
aparently I played in Aussie land. Thanks phone.

>>50867432
Why even bother posting a pic if you dont give a fuck about its quality you gigantic faggot?

>>50867397
Sister blobs work depending on the editions. Right now the biggest you can get is a 10 girl squad inside a Repressor (make your own or chinaman) using Rhinos with SoB is kind of a waste.

Never leave your boxes unless absolutely necessary.

3 Exorcist are good, the new Cannones only works if you park all 3 inside their bubble otherwise just get Retribution squad with heavy bolters the new HQ and the other exorcists spread out.

Remember MSU every day right now. No escape from that at least this edition.

>>50867358
Thank you anon for explaining plasma to me i had always heard it wasn't a good deal to bring.

>>50867420
So if the vehicle is open top or has fire points it works? Or is my English failing hard today?

>>50867397
MSU?

>>50867498

Fire Points are for shooting out of with guns or psychic powers.

Open-Topped means the vehicle has enough Fire Points for all weapons and psychic powers.

The models inside the transport are still removed from the field so their wargear and rules, unless it specifically says it works while embarked on/inside a vehicle, you can't use it because the model is not on the table.

>>50867470

Precision shot excorcists are tasty but they don't really do anything better than what they normally do and Veridyan isn't too hot for her cost.

Rhinos are not a waste as you can still rhino rush (well, you basically have to rhino rush).

>>50867508

Multiple Small Units.

As a rule its many times more effecient to take 2x5 than 1x10 squads. You maximise your number of units for objective grabbing and special/heavy weapon access.

>>50867508

>come back to 40K after dropping the tabletop side in 5th Ed.
>decide to do some listbuidling
>formations/detachments/force org fucked up

What the hell happened?

>>50867508
multiple small units

>>50867349
Stay jaded bitchboi

>>50867393
Wasn't trolling, I'm just dumb.

>>50867530
Indeed the only way she is usefull is by Parking all 3 next to each other or give her a HB Retribution squad. That's about it.

>>50867524
Well that is fucking stupid. What where people abusing that needed this retarded FAQ?

>>50867194

Here are my tips:

Blobs are fun, expensive as fuck in terms of money and points. With Veridyan, those 20 bolters get precision strikes, which is cool. I haven't gotten to test that yet because mine hasn't come in, but I have the models. The last time I used a blob, I assaulted some Centurions and had a tea party for 4 turns.

There is generally no point in not running 5 man squads in immolators because you get your 2 weapons plus a razorback with a fire point. It's kinda mono build, but that's the competitive thing to do.

If your meta isn't crazy, 5 sisters with a HB isn't a bad objective camper. Hell, even then, they have to waste points on a 70pt troop. Stick them in a rhino/immo if you want to spend more points on them and shoot out the hatch.

Doms are as good as people say.

Seraphim, even without Celestine, can force a disgusting number of saves. Four shredding templates plus twin bolters is a lot of damage. They also REROLL SOF SAVES. Remember that. It's essentially a 5++.

Celestians are literally worthless. Don't bother. Ever.

Command squads are tight. I've been pushing the combi-plas flamer build for awhile now, and its finally catching on. If you have a canoness, get FnP, otherwise, it might be better to full CPF.

Keep in mind that command squads are EXTREMELY flexible. 5 heavy flamers and multi meltas? Done. 10 plasma pistols? Done. Dual power weapons? Done. Just watch the points.

Retributers are good, but don't rely on rending. 100 points for 4 HB is a nice little squad, but I've also had success going to 10 models with a Simulacrum. However, don't forget they can also take heavy flamers. This is the one good place for a Rhino because 10 rets are good for rending bolters.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Warhammer-40k-Chaos-Space-Marines-Chaos-Space-Marine-Cultist-Squad-w5273-/401241737589?hash=item5d6bdf0975:g:Hc4AAOSw44BYTtRO
so im browsing for some cheap cultist and i see this. I don't think they even tried

>>50867530

Precision exorcists are a meme. It's far better to go with Retributers because you're forcing at least one precise AP4 save a turn on average.

Lime I said earlier, the blob is fun, but if I were to go with Veridyan (I will when she comes in), I think 4 squads of 5 with a HB is better than the blob.

>>50866073
They're CSM
You can buy it
They're also a an ok unit unlike the warp talons which are trash
You can buy loyalist versions which are just assault marines

>>50866976
why does you warpsmith have a combimelta? he already has a normal one. Rest seems fine.

>>50867373
I asked the same thing yesterday; those lists are really useful. It allows you to see your glorious minis and make great plans while on Christmas travel.

>>50867393
Has it become a meme to ask where this is coming from? If so, what is wrong with 4chan?

Also seems no one bothers to read my army list. So I guess perfect strategy?

What does strength x mean on a gun?

>>50867491
For some armies, it isn't.
Space Marines get Grav weapons and usually can't double up on it in their units, Guard are twice as likely to die from it and don't hit as often, etc.
With Chaos, ranged support is at a premium, and Alpha Legion get to sidestep one of its main weaknesses (a 24" range) by just Infiltrating into range anyway. 5 Chosen, 2 Plasma is 120.

Also, being able to swap Warlord Traits when your big dude bites it is nice. Roll Command when that happens and fish for the ability to re-roll 1s to hit when shooting.

>>50866253
Iron Snakes might be seeing as they are supposedly second founding smurfs who dont use the codex. Also serpent theme

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Did anyone try Deathguard against any competitve builds? Are they a good choice for WAACing or is still KDK hounds + Cabal the way to go for competitive Chaos?

>>50867650
The fucking list building thingy has been in the OP for a month now if not longer. That is why people are bitchy about the question.

Hell even if you didn't notice it, the logical thing to do would be if it is in the OP or if it is a BattleScribe option. Since it is not a BS option it you would had find it in the OP.

It doesn't even require a Google search just reading.

>>50866418
Which then almost immediately came to pass with the reveal of Celestine? Have you been living under a rock?

>>50865322
Hey 40k general.

I'm really pissed of y the Space Marine (and derivatives) and Chaos Codexes.

Instead of feeling like leading a bunch of post human killing machines you just feel like having a bunch of more expensive guardsmen you throw away like papercups on sitting on objectives while they get removed by the dozens by some fucking template weaponry, since everything now got AP 3.

So I wondered how one could fix that, presumably without rebalancing every single AP 3 or better weapon in the game. I came up with the following:

All Space Marines get +1 Attack, +1 Shots on all Bolter Weaponry, +1 Wound. Cost ist doubled for former 1W models and increased by 50% for everything else.

Feedback?

>>50867648
He can fire either 2 Mechatendril weapons or 1 Mechatendril weapon and another. A combi-melta lets him double-tap a target, since chances are there will only be one turn he's in range to do so anyway.

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タウのブレードぐらい作ってくれ

>>50867691
Honey 4 SoB models that seem to be special character mean shit. Unless people can actually buy and have the plastic SoB in their hands. It means nothing.

>>50867557
bolter banner in a landraider to create a huge within 12" footprint

>>50867730
Fucking marine players. Battle brother got dicked over thanks to Drop Pods. Another marine thing.

>>50867700
>while they get removed by the dozens by some fucking template weaponry, since everything now got AP 3.

Have you tried placing your objectives in cover?

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How am I meant to use my old kasrkin boys? Are they the equivalent of Tempestus Scion? Can I use them as veteran guardsmen with grenadier doctrine? What is GW's take on this?

>>50867762
>Have you tried placing your objectives in cover?
A lot of shit ignores cover as well. Plus, a Space Marine should conceptually not have to rely on sitting in fucking cover to not get vanquished. If all armies have to play the objective game the same, why bother having different armies? My aim is to diversify play and get away from this goddamn "every unit is an expandable fodder unit or a deathstar" binary divide.

>>50867687
Okay, a month is a long time. Then I'll get why it's a meme now in /tg/.

>>50867778
You can do either, really. There isn't an official GW line on things. Technically they're still Stormtroopers, GW just gave them a new name with the plastic kit, but people have been using Kasrkin to represent Veterans with Carapace Armour for years.

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How would you kit out the stuff here to get to 1000 points?

>>50867788
>My aim is to diversify play and get away from this goddamn "every unit is an expandable fodder unit or a deathstar" binary divide.

By turning every MEQ squad into a multi-wound deathstar? Yea, that'll work.

>>50867230
>no Ironwing
You almost did it, anon.

>>50867806
For a true deathstar, they lack killing power. The massive cost increase forces players to utilise their tacticals more (which is fluff friendly), seperates Marines from, for example, Guardsmen (which is very fluff friendly) and generally gives a greater spread of army behaviour.

Space Marines really should not have throwaway units beyond Servitors, makes no goddamn sense.

If you have a problem with the points pricing, please give me your criticism, I'm not trying to make them broken, I'm trying to make them play like anything but guardsmen.

>>50867803
Give the skyweavers glaives.

give the harlies weapons. Caresses if you want to be a mix-maxing faggot, one squad specializing in each one if you want to be a cool guy.

>>50867838
I unfortunately dont own amany Dark Angel tanks besides 3 Vindicators

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>>50867630

>HB rets

MM or HF or don't bother.

So with my Christmas money I want to get a boxed set for me and my gf and simultaneously start a chaos space marine force. Is the dark vengeance box set a good place for beginners to start? Or should I get kill team instead and just convert those marines to chaos

>>50867778
> Are they the equivalent of Tempestus Scion?
yes
> Can I use them as veteran guardsmen with grenadier doctrine?
You might get away with it, but kasrkin are equipped with hotshot lasguns, veteran guardsmen dont get those

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Okay so with the help from this thread ive worked my list a bit and i think its going well but im still out like 21pts and i dont know what to throw on there to make it any better without going above 1850. Also whats the cheapest way to get cultist as i cant find any good listings on Ebay.

>>50867665
usually that its a poison weapon, check rest of description

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>>50867895

>having a problem with HB rets
>would rather take MM
>calls others a pleb

>>50867348
>full lips
>high cheekbones
>high forehead
>defined jawline
She has a mix of attractive masculine and feminine features, she is confident, capable, she commands respect without being arrogant, but is still humble without sniveling.
Honestly, I've long considered her one of the best females ever in a game.

Got a Valkyrie on the way. Good use for them in Inquisition or Imoerial Agents (my local group is ignoring the stupid faction problem in that book at least for the acolyte squad and formations)

Failing that Scion or IG as support for my flamer and melta heavy SoB.

>>50867938
dirge casters on rhino can be good and with 5points each, they are cheap

also combimelta/plasma on rhino is nasty

cheapest way for cultists, no ebay.... errr well errm, nope does not get cheaper, sorry. too many fishers in the pond since traitor legion dropped i am afraid. Maybe wait, but be careful, they are only cheap because of Dark Vengeance content splits, which will dry when it gets replaced with an eventual 8th edition starter set.
Then they will be even more expensive

>>50867665
S-X on a gun means something else determines the To Hit roll, like ammo options or if the gun is poisoned.

not "quite" 40k but does anyone have a link to the forgeworld aeronautica imperialis games rules? the tactica is in the mega but i cant find the original rules in there

>>50866535
Y...y...you too.

>>50868011
dammit i wish i had someone to split dark vengance with. it contains a lot of things i could use for my army. also 80 cultist is actually really expensive.

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>>50867957

Nobody cares about HB on retibutors - the basic bolter sister is better for the job in practical terms. MM rets ensure a tank dioes a turn but are still overshadows by exorcists. HF rets are the best choice by far as you can reliably get enough hits for their AoF to matter and with precision shot from veridyan you'll have rending, sniping heavy flamers.

HB are simply not worth it no matter the platform and no matter the army - this is not a problem unique to SoB.

>>50868041
buy it and sell the rest

>>50868029
https://mega.nz/#!VBNX3QhQ!mLqJVVJp0f2JsdIpAOMdch6tzVAqLyiB287vo801cas

it's not a proper scan, but it's relatively clear and it's got the maneuvers. Shame the models and bases were so expensive, this game was solid.

>>50867709
nice paint job and moonrunes

>>50867684
I had 3 Temies, 1 sorcerer, 1 dark apostle and typhus kill a bunch of thunderwolves with the +1 T +1 S power. It wasn't a very competetive game after all.

>>50866976

>>50865322
Does legion membership automatically lock chaos marines into worshiping certain gods? Do all Emperor's Children worship Slaanesh, all World Eaters worship Khorne, all Thousand Sons worship Tzeentch and all Death Guard worship Nurgle? Do all Night Lords, Iron Warriors and Alpha Legion just consider Chaos to be a tool? I'm getting that impression from the Traitor Legion rules.

>>50867973
I still think the whole space marine game is underappreciated. There are quite a few little bits of amazing work in it, like good written characters, competent AI (an ork runs to cover when you shoot at him, and they actively flank and surround you. Can't say the same of the genestealers in Space Hulk ...) a more nuanced melee system than you'd think on first glance ... Only the multiplayers sucked somewhat.

>>50868250
>Does legion membership automatically lock chaos marines into worshiping certain gods? Do all Emperor's Children worship Slaanesh, all World Eaters worship Khorne, all Thousand Sons worship Tzeentch and all Death Guard worship Nurgle?

Yes.

>>50868250
>Do all Night Lords, Iron Warriors and Alpha Legion just consider Chaos to be a tool?

No.

>>50867913
Kill team is a more fun and balanced version of 40k to start with, but I'd get Dark Vengance and just yet the killteam rules online. Unless your GF wants Tau rather than Dark Angels ofcourse.

If you go for the killteam box you should get any box with chaos infantry as well and mix those bits with the marines from killteam. That seems the most easy way to turn them chaos.

>>50868250

The Cult Legions: the vast majority do. The rules are an abstraction so it's possible that some warbands don't.

The NL, IW, and AL have a spectrum. There's full-blown Chaos worshippers, but not to the extent of the Word Bearers. There's also renegades who reject most of Chaos.

No one really knows what the fuck is up with the Alpha Legion, though.

>>50867709
Cool Tau
But what are you saying, my man

>>50868279
>No one really knows what the fuck is up with the Alpha Legion, though.

As it should be

>>50867806
You're a moron.

>>50867788
That doesn't really fix anything. Double wound marines that cost double but inflict less than double damage are vastly inferior to taking twice as many marines. Sure, each dude is a bit harder to kill, but there's half as many. The way to fix MEQ's is to massively overhaul the ranged weapon creep and stat creep of some newer units. Reduce the games scale in terms of models per game as well.

>>50868042
Psybolt dual HB Chimera is good because you get 2x S6 Ap4 Heavy3 that's about

Was thinking of starting a CSM army. Any suggestions with £250?

>>50868267
>>50868279
Really? So it's possible for a Black Legion splinter to have a heel-realization and reject chaos or a World Eaters warband to start worshiping Slaanesh? Note that I'm wondering how much the Chaos Space Marine Warband creation table fits with fluff.

>>50868318
Betrayal at Calth. Some rhinos and raptors/bikers.

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>>50868320

If your CSM warband creation table is rolling World Eaters who worship Slaanesh then you can toss it into the garbage.

>>50868318

Buy three Magnus The Red models

>>50868337
11/10 ur memetacular my frond

>>50867788
>>50868316

If you look at 3rd edition rules, most of the things that straight up ignored armor saves were melee options only, or ridiculously expensive. Hell, the reason starcannon spam was such a problem is it was a reliable AP3 ranged weapon in an edition where that really wasn't that common.

>>50868320

The Black Legion probably not, they're pretty unified under Abaddon. Note that they're a composite of many different Legions, mostly the Sons of Horus, but anyone can really come under Abaddon's banner as long as they commit to fighting the Long War.

I mean...the Butcher's Nails definitely encourage Khornate activities, I guess it's possible but really unlikely.

>>50868320
What I did is start a warband made of outcasts from the other legions and warbands. Lots of fun and I guess you could run it as any CSM formation.
I'm big on RP and it started as a killteam. I'm up to about 1000 pts and I promised myself the more they win the more I invest.
Also the nice amount of colors on the field really makes it pop

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>>50868318

What sort of theme do you want?

>>50868360
>it was a reliable AP3 ranged weapon in an edition where that really wasn't that common
it was also stuck in a book with guaranteed guide and doom

>>50868320
While most Chaos Space Marines are slaves to darkness, there is a greater possibility of "freedom" of choice for a CSM than for an Imperial. A Black Legion commander could decide that the benefits of Chaos are outweighed by the cons and seek to limit corruption within his Warband. A World Eater could find himself more closely aligning with Slaanesh in his attempts to achieve martial perfection, but that would be quite the extraordinary situation.

>>50868377
I'm not too sure. Space Marines might be a good option for me instead. Any ideas on what I should get for them? (£250 cap again)

>>50868401

Skyhammer

>>50868360
>The Black Legion probably not, they're pretty unified under Abaddon
As long as a warband pledges allegiance to Abaddon and follows his commands when he gives them, they're free to pursue the Long War as they wish. It's why the Legion rules allow anybody to be Marked.

>>50868093
>https://mega.nz/#!VBNX3QhQ!mLqJVVJp0f2JsdIpAOMdch6tzVAqLyiB287vo801cas

cheers pal i appreciate it

yeah its a shame it never took off as its pretty enjoyable

>>50868401

Go Tau & buy a Supremacy Armour, it's 250 and the only model you need to wipe out whole armies.

People do understand that it isn't AP3 that forces the game into 'too much shooting' territory right? Like I'm reading posts here and a ton of the whining is oriented around 'more AP3 than there used to be' and 'ignores cover' when those aren't the issue. Good players have never relied on AP instead of volume - the reason armies like Eldar are good is because they get access to unbelievable masses of S6 shooting - any competent players want more chances to hit and wound versus less with a guaranteed kill.

>>50868433
Jesus, what are it's stats?

>>50868444

https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-US/Tau-KX139-Ta'unar-Supremacy-Armour

>>50868417
Is that good? Sorry if I seem to be asking shitty questions I'm just curious

>>50868444

You'll get exactly one game against each opponent with it before nobody wants to play you again.

>>50866772
>Lumping in based skill-requisite GSC with Riptide Wings, scatbikes and free Shit formations"

Nigger please kill yourself.

So I decided to start up the hobby (again).

Last time I just oredered a Deathwatch: Overkill box and didn't even start assebling anything. I was wondering what's good for a GSC army from this box?

>>50868474
>Subterranean formation requiring any skills beside not being mentally retarded

>>50868474

This is my favorite part about GSC players - they really want you to believe GSC is a high skill army. Having to roll on charts and remember your results isn't skill based. It requires no more skill than saying 'I jink' and remembering to take your cover save with a jetbike.

What is the standard space Marine cancer list?

>>50868521
>A bunch of T3 5+ save models with no move through cover or shooting or invulns that can be blocked from their charges which they still only make 33% of the time
Do you always just regurgitate shit that no-skill netlisting scrubs on the internet put in your mouth?

>>50868537

Remember when starcannon spam and IWoD took skill? Fun times.

Hmm, no fun isn't the right term hmmm... oh I know! Cancer! Yes, cancer is a far more appropiate term for these sorts of lists.

>>50868557
iron hands with smashfucker

>>50868566
So Guard or SoB. Well SoB have 3+ and cost way more than Guard or GSC.

Any T3 army has that problem you twat. GSC is the least skill needed of all the T3 armies

>>50868537
>comparing an ability that requires tactical positioning and multi-turn forward planning and can be hard-countered by smart opponents also using good positioning to passive defenses
If you haven't actually played GSC against a good opponent, don't talk. You look like an idiot.

>>50868590
Guardsmen don't need to make it into CC to have any presence on the table and cost half as much.

>>50868601

One of my regular opponents is a top 20 ITC GSC player. The army isn't hard to play.

>>50868575
How do you get smashbane and his stats? I can't find him on the store

>>50868567
>Comparing gunspam to a melee army
>Comparing gunspam to a melee army in 7th fucking edition
Oh okay I see, you're just retarded.

>>50868635
Then why don't you play it yourself and remove the bias instead of claiming army played by your opponent is no-skill?

What is a respectable chaos space marine army that uses a fair bit of jump infantry and basic cannon fodder?

>>50868601
GSC are the Tau of T3 armies, get over it. There is no shame in playing over power armies. Trying to say they are not is the shameful thing to do.

>>50868664

Because I don't like the army? It isn't the kind of army I enjoy playing - ultimately I've played games with it using his list. It is fairly obvious which decisions to make and when to make them. But as far as playing the army - it isn't my cup of tea.

>>50868601

You sound like an Eldar player right now. You're parroting the same 'fragile army, requires planning' bullshit that Eldar and Tau players like to trumpet to prove that their army isn't an easy army to play.

>>50868664
Honey no. Stop being silly. GSC is on the easy mode of 40k armies.

>>50868250
Fabius Bile is EC (which is why he's best at what he does), and a hardcore non-fedora atheist. And based as fuck.

>>50868664

Lol - GSC players are the best for shit like this.

>No rly guyz - my army takes skillz to play! I didn't pick it because I was told it hard countered Elders!

>>50868671
Night Lords

>>50868601
Want to play a fragil army? Play SoB, hell even try to play Orks they are T4 and 5+ it should be very easy for you to win with Orks.

>>50867973
The first time she snapped a headshot off an ork I was in love

>>50865338
Sons of the Forge came out I think

>>50868537
This-Alright so turn one I assault your weakest links, and your most crucial army pieces before you can do anything about it.

OUTSKILLED!

>>50868714

I thought they were a pretty edgy list, people respect night lords on the table?

>>50868718

>5+

You wish - 90% of orks are 6+ and don't get access to 'eavy armour.

>>50868639
Anyone?

>>50868703

I really liked the new Fabius Bile book. Made me sad I can't take him in any of the new TL lists.

>>50868639
he's a regular space marine captain. if you have terminator bits you can stick those on.

>>50867608
those poor minis :(

>>50868601

>Tactical Positioning

Is that code for 'being able to turn 1 assault and destroy the hard counters to your list before your opponent gets to play'?

Face it GSC is an alpha strike army, it just alpha strikes in the combat phase rather than shooting which makes it unique but not hard.

>>50868746
Thanks

>>50868729
Yea
Everyone loves night lords, they have some of the best fluff

>>50868729
They aren't worst bearers, armless failure or yiffs tier of meme, it's like playing imperial fists, they exist and people knows them but they don't know much to make shit about them.

>>50868698
Except their armies have high strength low ap long range high weight of fire shooting on durable and mobile platforms with plenty of access to ignores cover and D weapons and stompy gargantuans and invuln saves???

Of those things, GSC can match the high weight of fire... in CC. They can get low AP and ignores cover... in CC. They can get the mobility... by losing a full turn, and then rolling on a random chart that for half the army will let them actually charge only 33% of the time and the other half less than that, and they can still fail their charge rolls, eat Overwatch, or get blocked by fodder, unlike shooting.

>>50868739
Then my local Ork player cheated. Not even mad nor sure if he cheated it is bloody 5+.

What is GSC?

>>50868766
Only if you also ignore ADB the modern day C.S. goto

>>50868767

Okay perfect that's exactly what I'm looking for.

Also what the fuck why are half the chaos miniatures on the Canadian site temporarily out of stock!

>>50868760
Except they literally cannot do that if their opponent isn't retarded with his deployment.

>>50868769
You have enter Tau level thinking, be carful it is hard to avoid getting stuck in that thinking

>>50868601
>multi-turn forward planning

lol implying its not over after you cripple them turn one. You are bad.

>>50868786
Genestealer cults

>>50868726
Maybe try deploying with even a shred of competence and that won't happen.

>>50868786
Genstealer Cult. The player base is like the Tau, think they are hard to play just because they are melee heavy instead of shooty heavy.

>>50868786
genestealer cult
arguably the new flavor of the month
i just got into them cause they combined guard and nids and i love both those armies plus id like an actually tournament worthy army instead of my shitty built tau ;^}

>>50868775

Orks don't get a 5+ at all. Its either 6+, 4+ 'eavy armour or 2+ mega armour. Badrukk has a 3+ save due to his shiny armour but he is unique in that regard.

>>50868823
>>50868830
Genestelaers have an army now?
Are they affordable?
I thought CSM filled in the CC heavy army slot.
Also more importantly do they ally or take tyranid units?

>>50868792
At worst you'll have to deal with the Batman legion meme but it's so half assed almost nobody mentions that.

Whats the best way to build a Deathwatch list?

>>50868830
>Melee heavy isn't hard to play in an edition that favors shooting by a significant margin in every possible respect

>>50868851
>affordable
nah you need a lot of the 50 dollar for 5 8-9 point guys kits

>>50868664
Is this your first army? Are you actually so delusional that you think a 3 inch first turn charge with multiple dedicated assault units where you pick and choose exactly what and where to hit is "skilled" Are you seriously trolling right now? Trying to tell us knowing what is important in the other guys army is "skill" because it seems like you are embarassing yourself.

>>50868813
If you're getting BTFO by a melee army on turn 1, you're the bad one.

>>50868863
>Melee heavy with an army that can realiably get into melee is not hard.

GSC are the Tau of the month. They might not be as broken as Eldar or Tau, but they are on the easy mode armies.

>>50868800
>>50868825

>God you are bad. You deployed like you were interested in the objectives. If you wanted to win you should have turtled your army up in a corner and bubble wrapped all your uints. Sure I can hit you anywhere theres a 3 to 5 inch gap, but thats no excuse for losing to 6 5 man assault units turn one with 4 attacks when you have 40 guardsmen you could have thrown away to prevent them from killing your pretty much pointless other units since we are already across the board. GIT GUD!

That is literally you.

>>50868863
>Melee is hard in an edition with a special snowflake deployment where you can take MSU to roll 2 dice on a chart where a 6 guarantees you a turn one charge.

>>50868872
Try playing against a good player and then tell me how often you get into melee turn 1 with the things you actually want to hit.

Melee can be heavily mitigated by literally anyone with sense in list building and army placement, and it's not like your actually getting even a third of your army available to try and charge on any turn of the game.

I'm pretty sure most of you faggots don't actually play 40k and just parrot what you hear on the internet by lowskill armchair strategist netlisters.

The only thing that can be considered broken for GSC is the summoning spell.

>thinking about new years' resolution
>don't consider stuff like trying to find a girlfriend or other normie shit
>instead decide to build army of toy soldiers

fuck

>>50868868
$50 for 9 pts?
Also they have guard vehicles, I'm assuming only lemans and chimeras right?

>>50868825

You have a greater than 50% chance to deploy ignoring the normal infiltrate rules and even a result of a 2+ means you can deploy closer than 12" to your opponent. The only way to 'deploy effectively' against that is to bubble wrap one corner of the table and heaven forbid you're playing an objective based game.

Don't kid yourself, GSC require next to no skill to play.

>>50868953

It doesn't matter if you only get 1 unit into combat they're still good enough to literally stop your opponent from being able to engage in the rest of the game. Plus it isn't like you aren't fucking playing Subterranean Uprising - sure if my GSC opponents were dumb and played bad formations I'd be less concerned but they aren't, they play the good formation - usually two of it.

>>50868937
>Implying throwing away 200 pts of guardsmen or less of conscripts isn't a cost effective trade to render a 400 pts sub uprising ineffectual.
I've literally seen GSC lose to Guard,more than any other army. You might just have bad fucking lists. Boys before toys, lad.

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>>50868875
Do you think this is how it started with tau/eldar/necron players? They get their neat new army, paint it up all lovingly, start playing. Everything is fine for the first few weeks, then people start (rightfully) complaining about how many of their things are op, unfair, poor design, ect. They start off with light defending, but as the pressures of reality set in, followed by more and more virtrol about their army, and doubt sets in about why they thought they were winning, they enter a perpetual state of denial where they are stuck in the anger phase for years?

Its ok, I played tau since 4th ed. Until the last few codex everything was ok. Then everyone started shitting on me about my army. I was angry for a while too, but finally moved past and saw the other persons point. I know you will get there too some day, with the help of your friends. Then it will be ok to say "mabye...mabye I did get some wins purely off the superiority of my rules" Until then, here is a partial explanation of where hybrids come from.

>got a 40k standard IG box for christmas
>it's my first minitature modeling experience
>assembling them went alright
>the painting job turned out horrible
i feel very depressed now. i can't even paint a fucking plastic toy

>>50869019

If you've seen GSC lose more to guard than anything else then you're playing poorly.

>>50868988
>You have a greater than 50% chance to deploy ignoring the normal infiltrate rules and even a result of a 2+ means you can deploy closer than 12" to your opponent.
Because deploying an army of more expensive guardsmen with autopistols, no orders and no special weapons in my opponents rapid fire range and then giving him a potential two turns of shooting and then Overwatch before I can charge sure is deadly!!!

>>50869053

Head over to /wip/, they'll give you a hand.

>>50869053

Painting plastic toys is actually really hard. You can always strip the model and do it again.

>>50869065

You bet your sweet ass it is, especially when you can score objectives with those units, AND those units are cheap, AND you get to roll twice on the table, AND you have the ability to replenish your unit after they've been shot at, AND you have stealth.

>>50868974
40 dollars for 45 points base
buy guard chimeras and russes since they are 5 dollars cheaper
>>50868988
yeah you kinda have to tailor against GSC if the player gets lucky/knows how to play at all
corsairs are the only thing that gives them trouble, and they can be dealt with if charges are positioned right
>dont forget the flyrants allied in which are doing most of the work, as any GSC player should be playing board control first and damage second

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>>50869053
Don't worry, we all messed up a good few. I still completely suck, but after painting my last three squads I can do passable tabletop quality quite easily.

Head over to the /WIP/ thread, they have good tips. Just trim all your mouldlines before posting any pictures, or they'll force you to undergo the Ludovico Technique with videos of badly done minis.

Also, look up the Warhammer TV videos on Youtube where based Duncan Rhodes shows us how to paint minis. His tutorials are excellent.

>>50869065

>Not taking coteaz and sticking him in a corner for extra psychic dice and sieze shenanigans, and rolling on the strategy warlord traits with rerolls for that first turn "fuck you"

its like you want to be bad.

>>50869065

I mean are you too stupid to take allies?

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>>50869053
Don't worry, lad. Here's Lord Duncan's first model. Watch his videos.

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Which carapace weapon do you use on your Imperial Knights, anons? I play Mechanicus, so I don't really need the Icarus Autocannon, but I'm torn on the Stormspear Rockets or the Ironstorm Missiles.

On one hand, a few Krak missiles are excellent for finishing off light vehicles or squads you just shredded with the Warden Gatling, and is nice for fire support.
On the other, Mechanicus lacks large blasts and some barrage large blast horde-clearing can also be really helpful at times, especially against the Renegades, Chaos and GSC I fight relatively often.

>>50869133
>videos of badly done minis
do you happen to know a youtube link?