Age of Sigmar General ! /aos/

>>50847073
>Settra
>Vlad
>hints that Gotrek Gurnisson is still active & killing Daemons even now like some Dwarfish Doomguy/Doom Slayer
>a hug

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I hope they are making it into the book one way or another

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>>50847073
Acolytes and Tzaangor are cool and all, but I'd like some new actual warriors of Tzeentch.

mod, delete this thread. The old one is still going strong

>>50847073
Who drew that?

I see age of sigmar tournaments in my area sometimes, but no game store ever advertises regular play, and google searching doesn't seem to reveal any clubs or groups that play.

My list would get curb stomped and thrown out the door in a tournament setting, but I am starting to think that is the only chances I am going to get to ever play the game.

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>>50847073
DEATH UPDATE WHEN?

>>50848289

THIS. I want to buy Skeleton Horde for optimal spoopy, but I don't want them to turn out being shit

>>50848289
I mean they were so OP they had to nerf an artefact of theirs

>>50848573
skeltals are bonkers if you buff them right. Necromancer is a must

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I like the Tzeentch Birb People, but at the same time, everybody and their mother will probably masturbate over the General's Handbook when I just want to have a casual dungeon-crawling thing. What do?

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So can anyone confirm if the Chaos Dorf army from FW are any good with their updated rules or not before I sink my money into them?

Could someone explain reinforcement points in match play to me?
I understand that it stops you from summoning an army every turn, but I don't get whether you're allowed to summon the same stuff repeatedly if it gets killed.
Also is Kemmler still around, crunch-wise?

>>50848719
Kemmler's in the Vampire counts PDF and he has a points cost
And no you can't resummon, you summon something, that uses up the points you hold in reserve, and if that thing dies, you don't get the points back. But if that thing dies, and you have the points to summon it again, you can, but it's not the same one

>>50848667
generals handbook has rules and recommendations for more types of play than matched play (ie with points).
If you want to do something more narrative, that's a very valid form of play.

For pure dungeon crawl however, Silver Tower might be more your speed. As it actual is a dungeon crawler, using Tzeetch minis.

>>50848667

as the other anon pointed out, get Silver Tower. It's a pretty fun dungeon-crawler with some really nice minis included. Obviously you don't have to paint the minis, they just look a lot better if you do

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>>50848875

>Kemmler's in the Vampire counts PDF and he has a points cost
I must be blind. I can't see the point cost anywhere.

Thanks for clarifying about summons.

>>50847073
Does anyone have the Grand Alliance PDFs for download? I don't see them in the pastebin.

>>50849673
points cost is in the general's handbook. That's where all the points are

>>50849694
>every thread
NO. They have not been scanned. They will never be scanned. They are cheap as fuck softbacks that you can just buy, except in most cases you don't need to, because all the rules are on the GW webstore model pages (except for the ones where GW cocked up, of course. The Exalted Flamer warscroll on the regular Flamer page? Seriously?) and the free mobile app.
The pastebin does, however, have imgur albums of the fluff and battalions in GA: Order.

>>50849711

I found the bugger!
Thank you, Anon. You're a star.

>>50848709
They suck. Don't waste the money

>>50849794
Lookin at the 1d4chan, it looks like they are pretty good from how it describes it. Can you explain further why they suck?

>>50847268
They aren't in the compendium, so they should at some point.

>>50849820
They're a really average stat line army that wants to be run in hoards but lolforgeworld prices

Any source of good cheap skeletons for bone zone? I'm not keen on the expense of the GW ones.

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>>50850198
ebay

or wargames factory skeleton warriors, but they won't quite look right (good for basing and decor though)

how do you deal with mass skellies? Those things kill me faster than I can kill them, especially with the absurd amount of saves they force me to take.

>>50850671
10 Chaos Warriors held against 30 buffed Skeletons for 3 turns, long enough

>>50850671
Use your disintegrator mammoth to destroy their buffers

>>50850198
Mantic Skeletons look pretty cool, at least in formation.

>>50850671
>Kill their buffers or take wizards to unbind their spells.
>Use ranged units to thin them out.

>>50851198
This for mantic skellys are faar better then gw more spooky

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>>50851796
Hey was looking starting a new force, and I was leaning towards Bonesplitterz, and I wanted to know how they are currently.

>>50853307
One of the least fun armies to play against, your turn takes like an hour with all the dice you have to roll in the current meta build.

>>50848709
The Brit who runs the Bad Dice Podcast and the Blood and Glory AoS tournament has an AoS Chaos Dwarf army and everything he's said on the show indicates they're a fairly mediocre army.

I've never played with or against them myself, so I can't comment to their strength personally. However, I'd be cautious if strength is one of your major criteria for army selection.

>>50854433
Nah, I'm okay with mediocre, my criteria is always if they look cool first and foremost, I can deal with them being fairly average

>>50854501
This is slightly old, but still a good read
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2016/11/19/legion-of-azgorh-by-ben-curry/

>>50847073
>Magewrath Throne
>Doesn't come on Sprue (understandably so)
>Doesn't comes with its rules printed out
Well, didn't expect that desu

>read other internet forums
>people are still shitposting about AOS

Holy fuck these people are the most cancerous faggots on the internet. GW getting rid of the WHFB fanbase was the best decision they ever made.

>>50854662
They seem like a pretty decent army, not good but not bad either.

>>50855130
Which forums? Is Warseer still dead or is that shithole back from the grave?

>>50855130
To be fair, the only parts that are free are by far the worst case of AoS - the core rules which are still 1/10.
The GHB, which made the game okay, as well as the battletome scenarios which make it fantastic are behind paywalls, so even if they are neutral and do a little research it's likely that they get away with a horrible impression.

>>50855352
Hah, paywalls can say hello to our mega downloads.

>>50855352
To be fair, the GHB is cheap as fuck and has all of the rules in it anyway.

>>50855352
The only things you pay for are fluff, the ghb and some formations. Thats literally it. Everything else is free.

Also, fuck off complaining about paying for the ghb, its like 20 quid.

>>50855568
>>50855639
>>50855694
You neither invest money nor anymore time searching for illegal downloads after seeing that despite the internet reaction you underestimated how terrible the core rules are, especially if you don't know for sure wether you're going to play and just want to casually check it out.

>>50855976
or, as we've seen on this forum, people got pissed at AoS during it's terrible release (which was terrible), and never bothered to look any further but are butthurt enough to still be whining all over the internet.

I've met people IRL who complain about the removal of rank and file gameplay, to this day, despite never having played it.

So I'm going to guess they are whiners, rather than people who honestly looked at the product any time in the last 3 months to form an opinion.

So I'm trying for a technology of the old ones angle for my lizards with my spare necron parts, any recomendations?

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>>50854966
GW, y u do dis

>>50856501
I suppose because that piece originally sit upon a mountain of skulls and those were needed to attach it. Just remove them.

>>50855976
>>50855694
>>50856214
Yeah, fair enough. It had a terrible release and I wanted nothing to do with it when it came out. That being said, with points and the quasi-CAD it has now, I enjoy it a lot. Fight me.

As the other guy mentioned, I know plenty of people who never played WHFB in the years I've seen/known them at my local FLGS that continue to shit over anyone who mentions AoS for "ruining such a great game". A game that none of them ever played, natch.

>>50856968
>>50856641
The problem is, if you research it, unless you spend any money, you it'll still look like the release game.

>>50857226
no it doesn't.
Because if you research it now you know the GHB exists, that what you currently see is only the free part of the full game.
It's like seeing the trailer for a movie, or the demo for the game. It doesn't look like the full thing, but you know the full thing is out there.

This was not the case at release.

>>50857531
I didn't think of it like that. I stand corrected.

>>50847073
Why do so many nazis play aos? Is it because it's about bringing order to degenerates?

>>50857992
What?

>>50855352
>the core rules which are still 1/10.
i like them, they are easy and not convoluted.
I can finally play the game instead of doing taxes

>>50858116
I'd recommend you look at the kings of war rules, so you see how else it could've been done. They are also "whfb but simple" - only that they kept a lot of depth in the movement intact. Too bad the actual army lists are bland as fuck.

>>50858004
I swear, all the "totally not a nazi, i just love their uniforms and language" guys went in my local area switched from 40k to aos, all playing order.

>>50858180
I still don't see the problem. History buffs and people who enjoy real life war factions will naturally enjoy a war game featuring extreme factions.

>>50858232
So you don't care if your hobby is associated with the next school shooter?!

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Came up with this list after being stuck in bed with the flu, would i do better sticking to 1 faction since of mixing mortals and daemons?

-- Plague Troupe (Chaos) --
>Leader
Herald - 100
Lord of Plagues - 100
Harbinger of Decay - 140

>Battleline
20x Plaguebearers - 200
20x Plaguebearers - 200
10x Plaguebearers - 100

>Behemoth
GUO- 240

>Other
5x Blightkings - 180
5x Blightkings - 180
5x Blightkings - 180
6x Nurglings - 160
3x Plague Drones - 220
--2000 points

Pretty new to Aos (as in, have yet to buy my first models), used to play fantasy WAY back, was wondering what the current deal is with the Skaven. I know the Horned Rat is a chaos god now, for some reason, does that mean he's more involved in Skaven society and plots than he was? Are they more unified because of it? Are they still kinda irrelevant, and just doing their own thing or are they actually part of chaos in more than name? Also, I know Pestilens got their own book and start collecting, but will I suffer if I still just play 'skaven' rather than a specific clan?

>>50858382
I'd take plaguebearers in squads of 30, it let's them have their size bonus longer.

>>50858498
Yeah i know, but i thought i'd have enough units that give Regen that it means i could not need to spam full size
>90 models
>all the same
>reeeeeeeeee
Not to mention that small squad stays at the back for Objectives

>>50858624
Or just 1 squad of ten, two of 30. Or only 1 of 30

>>50858390
Generic Skaven is perfectly viable, probably moreso than any other Skaven force bar Skyre.
Fluff-wise the Horned Rat has ascended to the status of the fifth chaos god, but is commonly looked down upon by just about everybody. Archaon refuses to acknowldege it, the other gods treat it with disdain for the most part (though Nurgle is okay with Clan Pestilens).

>>50858390
Skavenblight is connected to all of the Realms, and the Skaven can pop up just about anywhere because of this.

>>50858358
No, who cares?

Stop trying to stir up drama from nothing

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Guys are all Skaven described in Pestilens battletome or i will have to wait 3000 years for another battletome for other clans?

>>50860751
Pretty sure non-Pestilens Skaven are in Grand Alliance: Chaos book, assuming I understand the question.

>>50860785
>Pretty sure non-Pestilens Skaven are in Grand Alliance
fug... any info when other clans will be worked on? (as in get battletome)

>>50860831
No info yet, anon. Next Battletome is Tzeentch. Beyond that, no news on AoS. Likely after the wave of 40k hitting in January for the Black Crusade with Cadia Falls.

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is this the only way to use Bloodbound ?

Are non-Skaven chaos armies any good from a meta standpoint? I have the starter set, Silver Tower, so khornate daemons and bloodthirster, and a fair amount of beastmen and chaos warriors.

>>50855352
>the core rules which are still 1/10.

fuck off. I don't want to have to memorize 150 pages of core rules +25 pages of special rules that break the core rules + god knows how many codex specific rules just to be able to play a game of 40K.

You know what's great about age of sigmar that 40K sucks at? Allowing a brand new player to enjoy a game.

Also fuck off with your lacks complexity arguments. 40k boils down to who fielded the most broken shit and shot their opponent off the table first. 40k is stagnant cesspool of shit convoluted wasteland that no sane person new to the hobby wants to learn how to play.

The Sigmarized 8th edition of 40k scheduled to drop this spring/summer can't come soon enough.

>>50862144
This. This times a million.
I love the 40k setting, and love many of the models, but I just can't play it anymore. It's too broken, for two few, with too many left in the dust, for no fucking reason.
AoS has a 4 pages of rules, and a data sheet for each unit. It still allows for some depth. That's good enough for me.

I'm fairly certain there is a Sylvaneth big box under my tree. How'd I do?

>>50863462
Terrible.

It's not several boxes of Moonclan grots

>>50863462

bretty good

I would get them assembled and painted before expanding on it though. AoS is pretty fun around ~1k anyway if you're bothering with points.

>>50863462
ya done good kid. real good.

get your trees, get more kurnoth hunters later, and wyldwood spam your way to victory

>>50863036
if anything I've felt a lot of units are deeper and have more synergies. So many 40k units are literally just their statline

of course, even though I've having fun putting my army together, the nearest game store plays AoS on the nights I have to work late, so if I want to play it is only ever going to be on the 40k nights. I also sometimes have to work late on those nights too.

It would be too huge of a shift, but I think it would be really exciting and awesome if 40k 8th and AoS were cross compatible like Warmahordes.

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What are you thinking about Skaarac ?

Worth it or should i just buy the exalted Bloodthirster ?

Do we know the points for the FW Exalted Daemons?
My Google-fu has failed me

>>50864865
They're in the Forgeworld downloads page.
Just scroll to the bottom of their site.

>>50864910
Unless i've missed something there's no points there

>>50864930
well its on the download page with literrally evrry other pdf.

https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-DE/Downloads?_requestid=9455160#warhammeraos

so ywah you missed something.

>>50864984
Sorry anon but there's nothing there for the Exalted except the literal point-less warscrolls
MP pdf is only for the other FW lines

>>50865019
Huh. There really isn't anything there.
What's with that?

>>50865150
Yeah it's weird
Oh well i'll just use the FW model for a GUO

Would you run Nurglings as MSU or always in 6+ in the unit?
Due to AoS allocation you could potentially tank 18 wounds a turn and get them all back

Does taking multiple Blightkings mean i get multiple uses of their healing ability?
Thinking of starting a Rotbringer army in the new year

>>50865324
What? Anon, you do realise that wound allocation in AoS means you have to keep allocating wounds to models in a unit that have already been damaged until they're killed, right?

>>50865380
I did not
Now i do

6+ models it is

I got gifted a sigmars vengeance box and a pack of judicators!!!! Any idea how I should build the judicators?

>>50862144
>>50863036
this is why i didn't get into 40k even though i love miniatures.
Rules are ass

>>50864563
>It would be too huge of a shift, but I think it would be really exciting and awesome if 40k 8th and AoS were cross compatible like Warmahordes.
inb4 Chaos gods of fantasy use some fucked up magic together while 40k ones do some insane shit in warp resulting in gigantic portal that links the worlds
That would be the greatest and at the same time saltiest event ever

>>50858162
god, they are so boring though! it's such a dull fucking game.

20 Plague bearers or another 3 Drones?
I'm not really against either option, but i don't know how Nurgle + Mortals play

>>50865942
>Shockbolt bow on the Prime, always.
>If you plan on teleporting the Judicators, grab crossbows. Otherwise the Skybolt bows are superior.
If they are your first unit of Judicators I'd recommend going bows, since those have more application in general.

>>50863972

Yea. It should be fun. Hopefully Santa got some more people into AoS at my lgs. I might try to assemble and paint there when I can to get people interested, though I only have weekends free.

>>50864115

Right. Going to need to make some wyldwoods because GW's is hella expensive.

The next thing I'll probably get is a SC! Box because it seems like a great add-on.

I'm torn between going Harvestboon or Winterleaf.

Merry X-Mas fellow AoS'ers!

How many BattleLine units is everyone doing fot 1500 pt. Matches??

My Sylvaneth friend prefers 3 (as per ScrollBuilder's rec.) but I think 2 is enough . . .

(sorry, I'm phone-posting from a relative's house)

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Merry Christmas bros, hope you got yourself something nice unlike me.

>>50866749
>How many BattleLine units is everyone doing fot 1500 pt. Matches??
2

>>50866749
One

Fuck the police

What's the most OP formation Stormcast have?

>>50866749
GHB says you need to use 3+

But you can house rule whatever you want

>>50850198
>>50850512
>>50851198
>>50852421
>mantic skellys are faar better then gw

I'll second manic as a money saving option. I don't think they look better however. The sculpts are poorer, not anatomically correct and very cartoony. They're perfect if you are going for the Evil Dead brand of undead.

Personally I'd recommend mixing GW and Mantic. You get over 20 hads in a box of GW skellies, if you put those onto the bodies of Mantic skellies they look much better already and the unit looks completely coherent in formation.

I had a picture on my desktop pc, but I'm on my laptop right now. google for kitbashes and you should find some examples though.

>>50867281
Why don't you get the fuck out

>>50866798
You didn't get any presents?

>>50867518
i got some cash which i don't know what to do with.
I can't commit to any aos race atm

I got $1000 for christmas what should I buy?

Whats the most Age of Sigmar army? By that I mean, the most distinct from both 40K and Fantasy, if that makes any sense.

>>50867577
Probably Seraphon, Stormcast, or Sylvaneth

Lizardmen never really fit in WHFB

>>50867573
GW stocks

>>50867577
Sylvaneth. 40k doesn't even have a plant man model, they have lizards in prior editions.

I really like dryads. I mean I love them. I want to fucking fill my table with dryads and rape everyone.

what is a good dryad swarm army build?

>>50867878
Dryads: all of them, branchwraiths to activate wildwoods, treemen to spam wildwoods, tree revenants to come on from the opposite players table edge and fuck up their artilery

>>50867878

Wouldn't a Winterleaf be good for that? Get them extra attacks and shit.

>>50867878
>Go Winterleaf
>Add a Hurricanum
>???
>Profit

>>50867415
I just asked

So, how easy is it to make hand gunners +2 to hit and wound?
How can I do this with my cannons?

Is it just me, or do Reavers get a little crazy when you drop in one or two Skywardens and the Guardians of the Dawnspire battalion?

Could this be the next arrowspam nonsense? 4+ hit/2+ wound across a speedy army with pretty OK defenses isn't too bad.

A block of 20 Reavers, 2 Skywardens, and the battalion come out to 1500 even, too.

>>50868056
>hurricanum

I don't like to see a big machine in my dryad swarm army for lore reasons

>>50867610
>Lizardmen never really fit in WHFB
I'll fite u m8

Are any of the nurgle related warscrollbattalions any good? Specifically for rotbringers

anyone know a good site that send bits worldwide?

Now that christmas has happened and I got some cash, was thinking of jumping into AoS. I'm thinking of going Flesh Eater Courts, was wondering how they play and if their battletome gives me anything that the generals handbook doesnt.

>>50868613
Stop wondering and see for yourself by downloading them all links are in the first post.
ito how how to play them google 1d4chan tactics flesh eater court, theres a nice wall of text

>>50867573
depends on what you already have.

>>50868106
cheap tax then any extremis spam

>>50866129
>>50865942
Try to convert some liberators to hold the xbows if you can

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Which should I use?
I like the idea of Kemmler TP'ing forward, summoning Morghast Harbingers for a turn1 charge.
But the vanilla necromancer is a very good support buffer.

Jesus can't even have warhammer discussion on /v/.
WHFB salty fags have infestation there

>>50860965
I would assume so. It's probably my favorite model in the Chaos line, and the ability to throw down fewer models than a Nurgle or Stormcast player is oddly satisfying.

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new khorne deamon.
not sure about the aestethics it looks like a warmahorde model.
At least give us the khorne dragon.

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>>50867577
Sylvaneth.

>>50867610
>Lizardmen never really fit in WHFB

Get the fuck out.

>>50869190
That looks sick. I love the shift to a more beastal look. More like the original angry minotaur looking bloodthirsters.

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Hnnnnn mom got me a vacuum cleaner and socks, words can't describe my joy right now hell yes! Tax return is dedicated to minis though, so I'm excited for that, as it'll be my personal Christmas!

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>>50868924
>Going to /v/
>any day of the current year?

hey fat fucks, how does placing terrain work? lets say I went full retard and bought an ophidian archway, can I just place it like any normal terrain during the terrain placement time?

>>50869375
yes

>>50869375
>I bought terrain that isnt Tabletop-World.
Kys

>>50869375
there are rules for generating terrain in the AOS 4 page rules

in matched play you can only use balewind vortex and sylvaneth wyldwoods, and only if you have the ability to summon them and enough reinforcement points

Any Empire players here? I wanna fight the good fight lads and I need some help to know how to get started. I play Guard in 40k so I'm attracted to human factions in general and I wanted to do this on the side.

>>50869540
wait for a battletome/startcollecting to come out so we know what is squatted and what isnt..

just save money in the meantime

>>50847095
I'll second this whole list. Could give that hug but chances are you're 4000 km away

hey /aosg/ would you object to a player who brought his own wyldwood terrain, same exact size and dimensions of the GW citadel wood but custom made?

>>50869565
Well I was just thinking about getting some State Troops and maybe a box of Greatswords for now + a General. Is that decent?

>>50869540
Run more or less nothing but Imperial Handgunners and Steam Tanks. It's actually moronically efficiency since in AoS, your ranged units are capable of gun fu. You'll also be more effective at killing things than IG, and your Leman Russes are a fucking monster.

>>50869626
are you a friendly guy running a fluffy non super optimized list? If you answered yes to this question then I wouldn't care.

Are you running a super optimized extremely hard list (probably unpainted)? if you answered yes to this question I would say no.

>>50869626
only autist will be dumb enough to say no.
I guess it give you the ability to instantly filter autist.

>>50869672
Well its good now but if they are squatted in 6 months..

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>Still no Nurgle alliegence bonuses or relics
>Leader
Herald - 100
Lord of Plagues - 100

>Battleline
20x Plaguebearers - 200
20x Plaguebearers - 200
20x Plaguebearers - 200

>Behemoth
GUO- 240

>Other
5x Blightkings - 180
5x Blightkings - 180
6x Nurglings - 160
6x Plague Drones - 440
--2000 points

Good list or not?

>>50869672
>>50869980
>Well its good now but if they are squatted in 6 months..
Basically, this. I can all but guarantee Steam Tanks will remain because it allows them to sell a big hunk of plastic for a high price, but everything else could go the way of the Tomb Kings. Just use your Guardsmen as handgunners, and if you have Rough Riders, even better.

Hi guys,am i the only one who is kind of bummed by the addition of Point cost in AoS? I Know People wanted it and it's just optional,but People in my area seem to have gone far more competitive since we have points. I just want to jam a few miniatures i like and play,but the spirit of how People take AoS is changing.(there are some examples of this ITT as well).

>>50869970
>>50869980
>>50870012
What about Demigyrphs? And has there been any news about the faction being squatted?

>>50869375
fuck you shit head. read the 4 pages of rules.

>>50870038
don't be such a whiney bitch complaining about hypothetical shit that didn't actually happen to you yet.

Just go to your store with your army and tell whoever that you're looking for a fluffy game. Turn town opponents running hard lists.

See how not a fucking problem your "problem" is? Christ grow the fuck up man.

also merry Christmas.

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>>50870001

please see this

>>50840163
>>50839976
>>50839541
>>50778273
>>50781153

you won the "threadly slow moving melee focus chaos list" award

This should be mentioned in the OP from now on

>>50870069
demigryph will probably be repacked by 6 or more for less money, and bundeled into A StartCollecting for half price

>>50847439
Considering current gw design policy, they'd be a pain to paint.

>>50847073
Anyone ever put GW ork heads on Mantic orcs? How did it go?

am I the only one who hates fucking gluing and assembling models? a box of 15-20 models and difficults ones like dryads is a nightmare to me

>>50870297
pay someone to do it

>>50870246
>The only things that would change this would be 2 Plagueclaws
>Even then it doesn't really fit the Nurgle + edgy Mortal theme
sasuga

>>50870404
Slave of darkness are mortal nurgle and offer lots of options for speed or utility.

>>50870246
Eh Nurgle isn't that bad for that sort of thing

With the right command trait and a screen of plaguebearers you take almost no damage on the first turn (-2 to hit is brutal)

>>50870001
The real problem with this list is that it's all infantry, low rend, and low mortal wounds. You would be better off cutting some of your cheap slow units to fit in ranged and/or mortal wound units like Warp Lightning Cannons and Stormfiends.

Also Im not sure if you know this but you can pick Chaos allegiance and pick those artifacts.

>>50870297
Find a different hobby

>>50870404
then go for it.
You can field whatever you want.
its just isnt a coincidence that the most popular god in WHFB (Nurgle) nearly disappeared with AoS.
And fast unit that never saw play like slaanesh are now fielded.

If you enjoy the game more than winning, you'll have a great time in casual games.
Alternatively you could bring more winged prince / split the drones, but you'll still be stuck with near no magic or shooting.

>>50870001
Buy chaos knight, its literally the cheapest box for the points you get.
And you'll at least have the shadow of a chance to win

>>50870443
yeah, but you'll never choose any of your fight, you are literally just rolling dice to whatever your opponent wants to throw at you

>>50870443
its not bad on the scale of things that wont win games, but its bad even against mid tier list.

>>50870446
>doesn't like one aspect of the hobby
>quits it all together

makes sense bro

>>50870487
>>50870468
I agree that it's not a great list. Slow melee armies don't accomplish much.

Nurgle is pretty good at being slow, though. They have the defense to weather a storm of ranged attacks and thrive in long encounters.

The biggest problem with his list isnt that its all slow melee, its that his slow melee also hits like a wet noodle.

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>>50850512
give them greek helmets and theyll look like undead hoplites.i want them.

Is this an okay High elf/Swifthawk list?

1 Skywarden (General) 160
5 Reavers 160
5 Reavers 160
1 High Warden 220
1 Great Eagle 60
2 Skycutter 240

I really like the fluffy aspect of lots of flying/highly mobile archers swooping in out of nowhere.

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>>50860751
dude chaos divided book get it

>>50870416
>>50870443
>>50870457
Better? Still new to AoS
>Leader
Herald - 100
Lord of Plagues - 100

>Battleline
20x Plaguebearers - 200
10x Plaguebearers - 100
10x Plaguebearers - 100

>Behemoth
GUO- 240
Soul Grinder - 280

>Other
5x Blightkings - 180
5x Blightkings - 180
3x Nurglings - 80
3x Plague Drones - 220
3x Plague Drones - 220
--2000 points

>>50869466
kys yourself shill.

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>>50867577
as much as i think theyre stupid i like em.

>>50870176
How the fuck is it hypothetical? I am telling you i am experiencing the problem. Stop being illiterate and reread the post.
Merry christmas

>>50866798
No GW stuff, but I got some other good stuff

>>50870634
Or if Battleline is effectively a tax
>Leader
Herald - 100
Lord of Plagues - 100

>Battleline
10x Plaguebearers - 100
10x Plaguebearers - 100
10x Plaguebearers - 100

>Behemoth
GUO- 240
Soul Grinder - 280

>Other
5x Blightkings - 180
5x Blightkings - 180
3x Plague Drones - 220
10x Chaos Knights - 400
--2000 points

>>50867878
>>50868056
Winterleaf Wargrove, with Sisters of the Thorn as your Order unit choice.

Mystic Shield + Shield of Thorns on a unit of Dryads, with at least 12 models sitting in a Wyldwood lets you add 3 to your save roll (4 if you are being shot at, since cover bonus), meaning you save wounds on a roll of 2, and you cause a mortal wound back on the roll of 3 or more. You can also reroll failed saves.

Have one nice, big unit (At least 30 Dryads), then use smaller units and Brachwyches/Branchwraiths to support them.

>>50870722
Looks like a good starter list to run

Play some games and modify it as you see fit.

You'll probably find yourself wanting more dedicated ranged units so you can kill key units (wizards, buff heroes, etc.) and wear down enemy screens before a charge.

>>50870777
Cover works in melee too

>>50870801
Well then, I hope whoever is fighting the Dryad Deathstar has rend, since if they don't every hit they land will be saved, and cause a mortal wound to their own unit.

>>50870722
okay this is much better.
I mean youll actually enjoy playing this much more than the 2 others.

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>>50870791
>>50870855
Could you explain why a less battleline focussed army, despite they're supposed to be OP as fuck in 20-30, is better please?
I'm trying to get into this since GW has been improving lately, and i try and be as fluffy/rule of cool when thinking about an army

Not being rude, just curious

>>50847073
guys i just bought 400 dollars worth of ironjaws stuff do they suck?

>>50870820
Save rolls of 1 always fail (in matched play)

>>50869190
I like it but I wish it wasn't Khorne.

>>50870893
There's nothing wrong with running plaguebearers in big groups but having an entire army of large infantry blocks is bad.

1. You will have trouble engaging the way you want. The enemy will decide what you charge and when you charge them. You don't want to charge something like Saurus Guard (2+ rerollable save, ignore Rend-1) because you won't do any meaningful damage. With a pure melee army you dont have a choice in what you charge - the enemy frontline is all you can hit.

2. Positioning is key. Pure melee armies will have trouble getting enough surface area to get the most amount of attacks possible.

3. You have no way of killing buff heroes (Saurus Astrolith Bearers, Bloodsecrator, etc.) or killing wizards, which gives your enemy tremendous value from those expensive heroes.

>>50870979
Goregruntas are kinda ass, the rest is great.

>>50869190
>more khorne shit
Who cares

>>50871075
Gore-Gruntas arent as bad as people think they are.

They are only slightly overcosted - should be 160 instead of 180.

>>50871061
Ah ok i see, thanks
Last Q - I'm guessing if i'm running the Knights in a group of 10 i should give them glaives for maximum DELETE THIS

>>50870979

Brutes will absolutely destroy any unprotected Monster, always give them the claw thing tho

>>50870722
noice, looks like mine

>>50871091
They have garbage attacks and aren't even needed thanks to the Destruction trait speeding up the entire army.

>>50871126
Glaives and always glaive. Knight, skullcrusher, VARANGUARD, Always use the thing with the biggest rend or charge combo. they are made to focus and utterly destroy something.

>>50870893
Its not bad if you have a flying bloodthrister or Some knights on the side, or if behind thise horde you can put serious shooting threat, its just that fielding troop for the sake of it is bad.

>>50871314
Ah ok

>>50871075
yeah good i didnt get any of them focus on getting brutes. >>50871135
>>50871135
>>50871091
>>50871091
>>50871254
>>50871254

Leaders
Treelord Ancient (300)
- General
- Trait: Wisdom of the Ancients
- Artefact: The Silverwood Circlet
Branchwych (100)
- Artefact: Ranu's Lamentiri
Spirit of Durthu (400)
Loremaster (100)

Units
Dryads x 20 (240)
- Battleline
Tree-Revenants x 5 (100)
- Sylvaneth Battleline
Tree-Revenants x 5 (100)
- Sylvaneth Battleline
Kurnoth Hunters x 9 (540)
- Scythes

Battalions
Gnarlroot Wargrove (80)
Household (20)

Total: 1980/2000

>Question:
>Like this OR make the dryads down to 10 and get the Free Spirits battalion?

>Bonus Question:
>What artifact to give to Durthu & Loremaster?

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Got a question regarding the Stonehorn, how does the actual wound-halving work?

If 6 regular mooks who each inflact 1 damage per successful wound manages to damage me 6 times, will I suffer 3 wounds because the total is halved, or is it each wond that is halved (rounding up), meaning that I suffer 6 wounds?

>>50870777
problem would be that the enemy would most likely avoid that giant dryad block and go for the objectives or whatever

>>50871585
>>50871585
there is an entire paragraph dedicated to that in the FAQ on gw"s website :)

>>50867878
Leaders
Treelord Ancient (300)
Branchwraith (100)
Branchwych (100)

Units
Dryads x 20 (240)
- Battleline
Dryads x 20 (240)
- Battleline
Dryads x 10 (120)
- Battleline
Dryads x 10 (120)
- Battleline
Kurnoth Hunters x 6 (360)
- Scythes
Sisters of the Thorn x 5 (220)

Battalions
Winterleaf Wargrove (100)
Forest Folk (60)

Total: 1960/2000

a lot of dryads for u

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>>50871585
Let me look that up for you.
Anything else you need spoonfeeding?

Hey friends, my buddies split the Sigmarines / Khorne starter set and now I want to get into AoS too. Which faction has the best female sculpts? I saw Alarielle the Everqueen, which looks pretty fantastic but I was hoping for more line infantry. I'm coming from a 40k background where we just have ancient SoB models that look like ass.

>>50871762
Wood elves haves a decent ratio of actual females, probably elves in general.

IIRC, Glade Guard comes with 12/16 female torsos, Eternal Guard/Rangers comes with 5/10 female.

Aside from that elves are pretty androgynous anyway so all it would take is greenstuffing some tiny titties on any other model.

>>50871762
just look at gw store.
Theres an army literraly called Daughters of Khaine

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no faction with battletomes interests me so far...
i am suffering

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Im thinking of starting a Order Draconis army. Is it worth it? I plan to take ranged units, probably shadow warriors. Any suggestions?

>>50871815
What do you like in general fantasy settings?

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Duardin confirmed for coming after tzaanuary!

spot the gyrocopter

>>50871725

Thanks for the spoonfeeding, bro.

There is one more thing, actually, and I really did try to search for it. It's the new FAQ that was released recently. I know that it came with an updated Escalatio mission.

I found the Errata on GWs website, but it was last updated in June, and if I google "Age of sigmar new FAQ" I only get the one from April.

>>50871889
non human races but it obviously depends on models here.
Like, Demigryph Knights are fucking sweet but it's human race.
Chaos has some awesome monsters
Death has spoopy zombie dragon/Terrorgheist
Destruciton has great Spoders, wyverns etc.
Many don't have battletomes too.
I just don't know bro

>>50871985

nvm, found it.

Really need to get used of the existence of the Warhammer community page... although why
you wouldn't upload it to the main page is beyond me.

So if my model has 2 missile weapons and like 3 melee options do i use all of them?
If yes, that's pretty crazy

and surely some models are OP because of it

>>50872099
THERE ARE ONLY 4 PAGES OF RULES.
READ THEM.
READ THE WARSCROLL.

>Hurr hurr i never played this game or read the rules but surely it is broken durr durr

>>50870993
Shield of Thorns allows you to reroll failed saves, which means most 1s will be turned into mortal wounds.

Without rend, it will take a long time to whittle that unit down. Even with -1 rend it will be a huge pain.

>>50871762
>plays SoB.

I'm sorry.

That being said, there isn't much in terms of cutie waifus, but you can play Woodelves, or even slaanesh, although the nicer daemonettes are off the made to order.

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Merry Christmas, /aosg/!

So I just got a hundred bucks for Christmas, and another 50 in tips from Christmas eve: Give me some ideas for some purchases. Also, I got a box set of Army Painter paints, but they seem a bit... Thin? As in, it takes like 6 or 7 layers to get a even coat, although it adverties itself as being the same as their spray primer.

Also, im looking for Army ideas specifically, and anything is open, and any mini suggestions are welcomed as well, regardless of whether its GW or not

>>50872473
Save it and get some Tzeentch, those models do look damn noice.

>>50871975
>spot the gyrocopter
Yeah, or you could just look at the Ironbreakers right in front of the picture. Or the dead pile of them beneath the hooves of the Thaumaturge.

>>50872473
Tzaanuary is right around the corner, with a ton of cool shit.
Otherwise pick a grand order and a playstyle and we'll help you from there.

>>50872539
Well yeah, i figured the ironbreakers were obvious. I was bringing attention to something a little more hidden.

>>50872473
army painter and vallejo are excellent for airbrush.
How many coat you need also depend on what color you are applying on what base (they are also a much higher quality than GW)

do you have any photo?

as an army suggestion, what are your armies and what is your favorite grand alliance ?

>>50872099
>every thread
>like clockwork

>>50871875
save your money until they release a new elves line of models in a few months.

The current elf mini factions are traps. They look good but are horrid in actual gameplay terms. Not to mention they don't appeal to me personally because they have 3-6 units to choose from and that is super boring for games >500 points.

On the flip side if you're only planning a 500 point army then I say knock yourself out.

>>50871975
shut up and enjoy your all naked elf berserker fire dwarf army.

Elves are next in line.

>>50872671
Swifthawk Agents just got a mini-bonesplitterz style upgrade with the launch of the new starter, so they're not entirely a trap.

>>50872685
>all naked elf berserker fire

wtf I cant type for shit

all naked dwarf berserker fire midgets. There we go that's what I was aiming for.

>>50872689
>Swifthawk Agents
check out those warscrolls for yourself they are utter garbage.

The griffon rider is a lightweight with paper defense and a nice pile in gimmick that makes him best suited to take out back line light targets but he gets utter wrecked by anything that can hit back. Oh and he costs 220 points, way way to many for what he brings to the table.

The archmage is utter garbage, his spell is terrible, no defense, no offense, no redeeming qualities and 120 points, way too many points for one of the worst wizards in the game.

Sea guard are 120 for 10 and a strong contender for the worst elf infantry because of how weak they are on both defense and offense at a high points cost.

Reavers... they are fast, sure, but they will only annoy your opponent and will lose a strait fight to anything. They can at least be on the table where you need them and hopefully grab objectives and shoot things even though that shooting is garbage tier.

Swordmasters, heavy hitting, sure but way overcosted in terms of points for what they actually bring to the table.

The whole list is a mess, don't even get me started on the warhawk chariots...

literally the only redemption for the whole army is that I can look pretty nice if painted well and be fluffy.

power lever 3/10. rated for casual games only.

>>50872559
>>50872525
Im not a huge fan of the Tznaanuary releases, as most of them dont appeal much to me asthetically. Im just not a huge fan of bare muscles and beastmen, although I cant deny that the mini's do look good on principle.

Currently, I have about a 1000 point army of pure Slaves to Darkness, and about 3000 points of multi-faction Death. I've rounded out my death collection, as i now own almost one of every unit, so I feel.like the obvious idea is to expand on my Chaos Army. But, at the same time, in open to something new. Im mostly looking for a themed army, something that would be fun to build and play.

>>50872573
Not on me, as I am off at my parents at the moment, and I havent snapped a pic yet. Will do later though, once I get back home.

But as for play styles, I ran my death army as your run of the mill Bone Zone doomsday core, with a bit of every faction sprinkled in. Some Nighthaunt to soak wounds and deal out mortal wounds, some Soulblight to lead, and Tomb Kings for bone zone support and Necrosphinx caranage.

But, I think I want something a bit more...mobile? I definetly want to be faster and be able to actually dish out a bunch, not just poke enemies to death.

>>50872820
The way I see it, you take 2 Skywardens to get +2 wound to your entire army. Then either max out your Swordmasters or just spam Reavers and abuse the battalion's doubletap ability to get off 120 4+/2+ ranged attacks while just kiting everything. The lack of rend on anything but the general is a killer, though.

I agree the mage is a bit of a point sink, but hey ward saves aren't terrible. At least the army is really speedy and has a pretty good keepaway game.

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>>50872949
this (pic) may be the only thing that can save any swift hawk agents army. sprinkle a few of these around for stacking bubbles.

I am unsure if they released an updated version of this warscroll that targets swift hawk keyword units with its abilities.

>>50873047
Yes, there is a chariot mounted version for 160 that targets all Swifthawks in 18", which is what made me interested in them in the first place.

Stand Fast is a much, much better command ability than anything the Agents get, though.

I'm about to order some sylvaneth stuff. do you think I should wait in case they release a new box or something? or just order them?

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>>50873100
>Yes, there is a chariot mounted version for 160 that targets all Swifthawks in 18", which is what made me interested in them in the first place.Stand Fast is a much, much better command ability than anything the Agents get, though.


this guy is a better general. Take him and three of these >>50873047 Forget about the Swift hawk agent army and run everything as Highborn warscrolls.

Do that and now you stand a chance.

Hey /tg/, one of those fantasy players that bitched and complained endlessly when AoS was released here.

I've had a game of it now with the generals handbook out and.. I'm not totally hooked yet but I'd like a game to play at my local GW and 40k is shit. So I have a bunch of thoughts/questions.

I played 1000 points, no objectives, battleline style with my old VCs (I know I know, old names, bare with me on that), against the new mega-orcs. I had 10 skeletons, 10 ghouls, 10 great weapon grave guard, a ghoul king, a vampire lord, a wight king, and a terrorgeist. He had 2 units of 3 of the giant boars, 2 units of 5 of the fantasy-mega nobs, a warboss, and the guy waving the two bones like he's signaling a wyvern's landing on an airfield.

Everything felt super fast, and it was all running in the shooting phase then charging. I got the impression that was a rule for his army, but might have been telling me to do it too when I shouldn't have been able to run then charge.

My terrorgeist felt like an insane monster, shrieking units half to death before tearing them the rest of the way. It bit his warboss clean in half in one go before it did anything, it was awesome. Is that typical of monsters, or is it just a good one?

I was also told that if a vampire costs 120 points (or whatever it was) and it's profile says it may take a horse, I should be moving at the horse speed and making hoof attacks because paying that 120 points gives me everything the profile offers. It made sense to me but I'm curious if that's the standard way to play that.

I was also disappointed that my vampires, who in fantasy could have wiped 2 units of 3 monstrous cav, 2 units of 5 monstrous infantry, and a couple of character on their own with ease (but cost 500 points) now seem really pillow fisted. Have all characters been dialed back like that, or are there other armies now that still have their leaders as absolute combat monsters (without having to ride a dragon to get that way)?

If I have the generals handbook, do I need the grand alliance book?

>>50873238
I also started the game thinking that when a unit gave me a spell to summon them, I could use that spell to summon more of them, or at least summon and replace them when they have been removed from the board, but apparently summoning is basically worthless now.

>>50873252
>summoning is basically worthless now

you're doing it wrong.

you set aside a pool of points to summon from for the duration of the game. You can pick what you summon and (important) where you summon it to be very effective and flexible to your needs during the game. Its very strong.

>>50873047
How do you plan on using 3 different command abilities?

>>50853307
I hear their archers are monsters. I am thinking of getting some for my future Ironjawz army.

>>50873350
>How do you plan on using 3 different command abilities?

for Christ sakes man I screen capped the warscroll and put a red box around the ability that lets you use three command abilities...

the dragon lord command ability grants you the ability to select three other heroes who can then use their own command abilities that turn.

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>>50862144
Fucking this. The rules are what is good about AoS. It is perfect how it is. I can actually play games of this shit with people. The game isn't just one big "ACTHUALLY MY SPESHTHUL RULE NEGATETHS YOUR BRIGHT LANCE" fuckfest.

I've already gotten more games in with my shitty AoS starter sets that I got mid-2016 than I have all of my massive 40k Armies over the course of the whole year.

Add the generals handbook shit and it's 10/10 way better.

Turns out special rules don't make the game fun. What you're doing in the game does.

>>50873238
Terrorgheist is pretty good, especially good versus low bravery units like orcs

If your vampire lord model doesnt have a horse then you cant use the horse movement and attack. That said, have a conversation with your opponent before the game and 99.9% of the time people won't care if you take the free upgrade.

All heroes on foot are much weaker but they usually have some crucial buffs to give your army. You need to protect them against being sniped by ranged attacks and charged by Monstrous Cavalry.

>>50873393
In a different post.

Calm down autist.

>>50873334
Ok, I can see how that would be quite useful.

>>50873415
That's rather disappointed, the fact that my lord would be as close to 25% of my force as possible in 8th was what I loved about VCs.

Out of curiosity how do Dark Elves play these days? I had a look but they seem to be in a weird limbo waiting to be updated and I can't really make heads or tails of it.

>>50873252
Think of summoning as deep striking reserves from 40k.

>>50873430
>In a different post.
in the post you quoted

>>50873238
Destruction in general is fast as fuck due to their powerful allegiance ability allowing them additional movement in the hero phase. But run & charge isn't part of the deal as such.
Terrorgheists are fairly decent monsters mostly dreaded for their scream. That said, you got lucky with that megaboss, who are usually strong enough to dismantle even monsters on their own.
Vampires in general are for the most part multi-roll characters. They combine command, amgic and fighty in one guy and does so very decently. True brawlers like the aforementioned megaboss will out-fight them and so on, but very few nongod models can do every job as well as those.

>>50873446
Dark Elves are fast and fragile

Lots of attacks but low rend

>>50873214
What melee units do you even pack for a build that silly?

>>50873430
Wow. the primarch of autists right here

>>50873460
Show me where the lothern sea helm lets you use multiple command abilities

Oh wait you cant

Which youtube channels have good battle reports?

So far I've found:

MiniWarGaming
TabletopMinis
Long War

>>50872671
>The current elf mini factions are traps. They look good but are horrid in actual gameplay terms. Not to mention they don't appeal to me personally because they have 3-6 units to choose from and that is super boring for games >500 points.

I see heaps of people talking on /tg/ like you can't just grab units from the same grand alliance. Am I missing something? Seems like even in matched play the whole point behind AoS is being able to play with what you want. I don't see why he couldn't grab 1000 points of a few different elf factions.

Hey, guy who posted >>50872911, here. Still taking ideas for armies, and suggestions.

>>50873214
Guys what does the star mean in the stat line under Dragon Claw's "Attacks" and Fearsome Jaw's "to wound"?

>>50873487
So does that mean picking your battles, bringing a wide toolbox and then applying the hammer where needed and the anvil where needed, or more a matter of running forwards, shooting, running back, repeat?

>>50873446
>dark elves
>limbo
Pretty acurate, actually. Like high elves they've been broken into a billion different subfactions like 'the pirate faction' or 'the witch-elf faction', some of which don't necessarily synergize too well. In general they have a generalist approach to warfare with some very solid elite infantry and monsters to round things out.

>>50873566
I suppose if you're keen on mobile, grab the AoS starter set. The stormcast eternals can start in reserves and deep strike to within 9" of the enemy.

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>>50873572
>>50873572
>>50873572
>>50873572

REEEEEEEEEEAD

>>50873606
Oh wait, I get it now. That is kind of cool I guess.

>>50873578
If I were looking at my 1000 point game and seeing 30 infantry and a monster on the table and thinking that that was the amount of models I'd like to be playing in a full sized game might Dark Elves be a better army for me than undead?

And can they be played as the legacy army instead of the current sub factions, or is say the Cold One knight warscroll no longer current because the Drakspawn one exists?

>>50873250
The grand alliance books really only bring some of the formations/battalions, which are not free, unlike the warscrolls and rules they come with are all free on the website.

>>50873629
do not choose dark elf.

You are still hesitating too much and will jsut loose money.
There will be a book out soon where you'll say : Okay this is it, im 100% doing that army.

>>50873629
It is largely irrelevant if you play legacy or not, nearly everything is the same bar some minor things. Units that won't synergize in the Grand Alliance book will also fail to do so in the Legacy collection.
As for the first question, most alliances are so flexible that they can do whatever you like them to do. 30 delves and a hydra could also be done by 30 skeletons and a zombie dragon. Or 30 orcs and a giant. Or 30 gors and a jabberslythe.

>>50873576
Bring a wide toolbox, hit and run, try not to stay too long in combat.

If you run the compendium they do fine, but using the new factions leaves you with a lot of models without much synergy. They need Malerion to come make elves great again.

mfw I've planned my army of 2k points
mfw I lack the money to buy them at once
mfw the army doesnt work at all at 1k or 1.5k points

>>50873599
Honestly, I considered it, but there are like 3 seperate Stormcast regulars, and they play against me pretty regurarly.

>>50873815
post your list

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>>50873811
>>50873785
>>50873659
Well thanks for the help, I've at least got plenty to think about. I think I'd like to bring back my dark elves as they where my first fantasy faction but they might just wait a while longer and see if we get a real release first.

Out of curiosity how would pic related work as an army with maybe the gorechosen characters thrown on top?
I don't want an army that does nothing but runs at the enemy and punches them in the face but it seems like a good deal on the box and I like painting chaos.

>>50873898
This one is for me...

First question : this box is a limited edition, do you have it or not ?

>>50873923
I did not realize it was actually, I just know they have one at my local GW and I've been eyeing it.

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>>50873936
bloodbound have great problems, but they are fun.
They simply lack what Disciple of Tzeentch will have : being able to field a monogod with deamon, mortals etc.
Right now if you buy this box you'll need to buy a bloodthirster.
You HAVE to field 1 with bloodbound as it fills so many weakness

>>50873936
They do not have magic or shooting and arent the fastest around.... which means you are left with close combat ; thing that they do not master much more than any other army (one could say they are just middleground as far as melee army goes,,,)

HOWEVER. Their Named character are just WTFbroken.
basically a list revolves around either lots of bloodreavers or few bloodwarriors for batlleline tax,
Then as much point as possible in somethigns that move, then the rest can be spend on something that is really strong in close combat like skullreaper.
Its not strong for now but it will be very strong IF "disciple of khorne" is out soon.
They are very rewarding to play tho

>>50873999
Ugh, see that's a pain. I'd love to build an army around a greater demon, and I have both a really great model that can count as one sitting in a box and an even better one on it's way from a kickstarter but I want this army to play in a GW store and the GW one is pretty mech compared to the others (and expensive).

>>50873936
if you take it take another box of skullcrusher and you are good.
Do you have the starter set ?

>>50874106
Nope!
Is that just a matter of needing something fast?

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>>50874093
My condolences if you trusted Jeremy glenn, i had more than1K invested and got my money back more than a year ago after my bank called him and he couldn't provide any proof of anything.

You dont like Gw's Bloodthirster ? And you dont like any forgeworld alternative like Skaarac or this guy (pic) ?

I know GW is pretty anal about playing with GW model but its either a bloodthirster or you start a brass stampede army.
Or play casual games.

There is also the FW Khorne dragon that have been teased for a year and another FW khorne deamon coming in january

>>50874127
Yes.
If you are outperformed in more than 2 out of 4 phases you are really going to loose.
And you basically outoloose the magic and shooting, so if you dont have anything that move, no matter how good your bloodbound are, theyll be combocharged and killed easily by something fast

>>50874175
That is a pretty sexy model, and... oddly affordable for Forgeworld.

>>50873561
>grab 1000 points of a few different elf

that is a good strategy

>>50873410
the rules at release had some serious problems that needed to get fixed if the game was going to not break completely at unexpected points.

Sure the battle boxes matched up pretty decent against each other. But once you started trying to get bigger armies or use different units, there was no guideposts as to what made good matchups against each other. You could figure something out, but that took a lot of extra work.

The summoning rules, as written in the core rulebook, made it so summoning beat every other options.
Infinite attack combos, 1+ saves, etc.

The game was kinda fun, but would just become unplayable at points.

And the starting scenarios were boring or super awkward. And just playing to kill each other gets old super quick.

40k and old fantasy were cluttered and clunky, but the rules at release were not a finished product, and even the rules now could use some tuning.

It looks like they are willing to do that tuning, and GW's policies in general are getting better now that Tom "I have no idea what I am doing but don't you dare question me" Kirby has gotten the boot.

But lets not ignore the problem the game had and does have just because we like it.

>>50871975
Kind of disappointed...
Those look exactly the fucking same as WHFB dwarfs.
The same iron breakers. If all they did was change the name of dwarfs and elves I'm going to be pissed.

>>50872099
Bro, I think this game might be too complex for you dawg.
Stick to checkers dawg!

>>50872473
If that pic is representative of where you work, consider finding a new drive bar/ strip club.
Also, silver tower is a good idea. Gives a good mix of stuff, and the guys you like the aesthetic of, you can expand your army in that direction.

>>50872717
Eh I got what you meant man the first time

you could always field him as bloodthirster

>>50875093
>>50875093
why ? dont you want everything to be the same as whfb ? you want to throw your new plastic army ?

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Just getting into AoS, and was wondering in matched play, If I have a crypt ghast courtier do I need to put points aside to use his Muster Men-At-Arms ability? I know you need to put points away in order to summon but the word summon isn't actually used in the ability description so I'm not sure if it counts.

>>50875680
No

You only use points if you set up a unit

You can reinforce units for free, but you can never go over the starting size of the unit

Example
Unit of 10 ghouls
4 die
You roll and bring 6 back
You only bring 4 back because you cant go over starting size

>>50875680
its a regeneration of wound, you cannot expand beyond what you deployed with, sadly.

>>50875715
>>50875735
Ok, cool. Thanks

If I take 2 squads of Boar Boys as battleline with the Bonesplitterz allegiance, can I opt to take the general Destruction traits and artifacts while keeping the Boar Boys as battleline? Can I still use my spell lore?

>>50870281
>Implying i paint my model and dont hire a commision painter.

>>50876031
>can I opt to take the general Destruction traits and artifacts while keeping the Boar Boys as battleline
Yes

>Can I still use my spell lore?
Yes

New death player. Critique my vampire-based list?

Vampire lord on zombie dragon (red fury, tomb blade)
Vampire lord on abyssal terror
1 mourngul
10 skeleton warriors
10 skeleton warriors
10 skeleton warriors
5 blood knights
5 blood knights
3 vargheists

>>50876569
Well its basically fuck the tax and full blood-knight mounted lord and mourgnhul...

Obivously it can do well against 90% of the lists, just be carefull for something like thundertusk or arachnaroks

>>50850074
can you just convert some other dwarf units into chaos dwarfs? any good armies for that?

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>>50876569
Replace the Skeletons with Zombies. Buy another squad of zombies with the left over points. Turn one, merge your zombies into one mega block of zombies. This is why zombies are the best unit tax filler. Skeletons cost more, need more models to be effective, and in general, die far too fast if put into 10 man squads.

Secondly, I recommend running the Blood Knights in one big squad of 10, rather than two groups of 5. Larger squads means more buffs can target them, so that Mystic Shield wraps all your knights, rather than only half. Also lessens the pain of mortal wounds knocking out models, by giving you more time to bring back models. If 5 models die in a 5 man squad, its over, but if 5 models die in a 10 man squad, you still have the chance to bring back some miniatures.

Vargheists are good if you know what your doing. Have them march behind your Zombies, and when the zombies engage and the enemy piles in, hop them over, and either pin the enemy, or kill their buffers. Be careful, as Vargheists are glass Cannons, and can easily get wiped. Have them work as skirmishers, and dont leave them in combat if you can.

Also, what weapon are you running on the Dragon?

Other than that, looks pretty good.

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>>50847073
Hey guys i just got Skeleton horde I have tomb king skeleton infantry for (i know i know its not lore correct) a Ironjaw led army of the undead, but then yeah this pack has Arkhan the black, Manfred and Nefititi and i just want to know which of those three is best in such a weird army of pretty much skeleton's(Tomb king infantry and Grave Guard) and Ironjaw Brutes.

>>50876935
Running 1 block of blood knights means I only heal 1 model instead of a possible 2 per turn. I have vampiric swords on both lords. I dislike zombies because I feel like I need a corpse cart for them to be even remotely effective. Without it, their damage output is not great even at a full blob

Just build arkhan if its your first mortarch.
Or magnetise so you can field whoever you want

>>50875591
Last Dwarf release in whfb was... how many years ago? The models aren't new.
I want to see them go in a new, or at least more original direction with the archetype Dwarf and elf.
And if they don't, and they just changed the name, then a lot of the lore batching is 100 percent justified.

>>50877006
The damage output of 10 skeletons is just as weak as zombies (who can combine for more bluffs, for free). You were taking the skeletons for the core tax anyway, might as well take a cheaper one. And before you say 'objective camper' most units an opponent will send to snag your objectives can wipe a 10 strong skeleton unit easy

>>50877006
That's not how The Hunger works; EACH model regains a wound so, long as that unit has slain any model at all. Either way, your only getting one wound regained per Knight, even if they are in separate units. It also makes it harder for the units to get the heals, as both units would have to kill something, instead of only one needing to. Read the The Hunger carefully:
>The Hunger: MODELS from this unit heal 1 wound at the end of combat if the UNIT slew ANY MODELS during that phase.

Plus, like I said, you really want to buff these guys with mystic shield, seeing as they only have a 4+ save against rend, and a 3+ against no rend. Bumping that save to a 3+/2+ could mean the difference in combat against your average Bone Zone or low rend list.

Also, im going to have to disagree entirely on the zombie bit. Skeletons in blocks of anything less than twenty are simply going to evaporate in combat, with out having done anything of use. Meanwhile, that zombie horde will be hitting on 3's, and will be able to maintain a much bigger board presence than the Skeletons will. I guarantee that you if a block of 40 zombies fought 3 units of Skeletons, the Zombies win 9 times out 10, due to more bodies.

>>50877125
it was 2 years ago faggot, in 2014. so its pretty fucking new. that the top 10% of newest model.
Sorry most people dont want to throw model they bought between 2014 and know faggot,

>if they dont do what i like then aos is bad
whatever autist

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>>50877252
You are so so so retarded.
Where are you on the scale of autism ?
Why don't you read the fucking WARSCROLL ?
Nobody ever talked about the hunger.

You obviously never fielded those models and still talk shit
>inb4 i was trolling all along

Bump limit is reached guys
>>50877425
>>50877425
>>50877425

>>50877252
Wtf are you talking about? The banner heals a model each turn

>>50877385
>>Hurr Durr, I MEANT respawning!
>>Duh, better get angry at someone and tell them that their a troll!
But hey, lets assume that your actually being legitimate, and actually trying to argue instead of baiting.

So, first off, let's make this clear: Bringing back one model per hero phase is nowhere near useful enough to counter the benefit of having the ability to double up on Command Trait and Spell buffs. Secondly, My point still stands that a larger unit will have a better chance of healing up. Having to go through combat, and than waiting till your hero phase means that you'll be loosing far more blood knights that you'll be getting back.


Not like it really matters though, since you your already running a memeghoul in your army.

>>50877565
im not even the poster and you dont have any army and never fielded those knight, so please, stfu.