/HHG/ The Horus Heresy General

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Anon who posted these marines, can we get a pic with better lighting?

What does /HHG/ think about the Ultramarine breachers with the swords? Not just in terms of models, but rules. Would you build an army around them?

>>50847083
Ten 3+/5++ AP3 dudes in a Phobos sound way better than 30 bolters in 3 Rhinos

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>>50847083
No, but I'll build a wall around them.

Is there an easy way to get MkVI armor? I have some beaky heads and it looks like the SM devastator box includes appropriate torsos, but it seems like pain to build a nice command squad

>>50847175
Forge world or Chinaman are your best bets.

>>50847175

Just buy the plastic parts on eBay or the FW resin. Shoulders are easy to get as they come in all boxes and Mk V as well, torsos are easy from tactical plastics, arms don't matter, legs are easy since you get 2 per 5 from assault boxes, head is easy since they're everywhere.

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>>50846872
>‘You’d be surprised at how little a man like that wants to meet his gods.’ Arrian scratched his chin. ‘We caught him trying to cut the bomb out a few months ago. He’d got all the way to the meat by the time we stopped him.’

>Oleander laughed. Saqqara had been attempting to remove the chem-bomb Bile had surgically implanted between his hearts for years. When the bomb went off– it wasn’t a question of if– Saqqara’s body would be reduced to bubbling protoplasm. It was the most obvious of the modifications Bile had made to the Word Bearer. The Chief Apothecary claimed to have implanted a thousand and one contingencies into his most reluctant servant. Saqqara occupied himself trying to discover them

You can help stop Word Bearer bullying this Christmas.

>>50847294
>You can help stop Word Bearer bullying this Christmas.
Only if you have faith, Word Bearer.

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>>50847294
>mfw
Why would I want it to stop?

>>50847170
Based Dorn. You could build a wall out of them. Testudo for days.

>>50847140
It does. Even so, they're expensive and the Ultras seem to be a rather shooty army.

Does anyone say fuck it to ROW and just do triple consuls?

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Ok guys need help how should I spend my 250 in burger bucks on my 30k blood angels force pic related is everything I have outside of 5 bolter marines unpainted

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>>50847294
>You said you were filling a cavity!
>I was! The one I made in your thorax.
That's what you get for trusting Fabius. But don't bully WBs any more plz

>>50847675
Nice Word Bearers.

>>50847810
Shhhhhhhhhh they are blood angles

>>50847810
Don't bully Blood angels either!

>>50846869
To be honest I'm not sure which transport would be better for a Destructor death squad. A Triaros is cheaper (at least in points) and gives you the option of taking more dudes, adding a very bulky magos model, or just using it for Thralls (which is a very solid and powerful build since Matrix of Ruin makes Triaros spam scoring). The Macrocarid Explorator is super cool but it's really expensive, still not an assault vehicle (so stupid that there isn't at least an upgrade option for it), and as of now at least the model only supports a small range of the options available to it. That said, dual Irad Engine + Grav Imploder would be the way to add even more punch to a super punchy "kill ur best doodz" unit

Honestly I think you should really start to map out the list and look at point costs because while slots can shape your list building decisions the very large, blocky nature of building HH lists makes points more of an issue. Like, Destructors in a Explorator is rad, but is it rad enough to be more than a quarter of your army at 2000 points? I'm not sure. Legions do the same thing with elite unique units in a LR or Spartan (with or without their daddies), but those power units are often as much of a liability in winning missions as they are an asset to actually killing things.

One last thing - if you're going to go the route of multiple Lightnings with Kraken as your main anti-tank answer (which isn't bad, especially since they can function as AA if that's the pertinent threat) you'll want some form of reserve roll manipulation. This is both to make sure they come in on turn two for blowing up big tanks and knights, but also so that they come on *after* your opponent if they themselves are hiding in reserve or have flyers. The Macrocarid has that as an option, but it makes your expensive killy unit both more expensive and more of a target. Definitely consider your options here.

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>>50847810
>>50847846
>>50847675
Didn't the Flesh Tearers (or at least the company that became the Flesh Tearers) still run what would become their chapter colors? Or at least a variant of it, like the Black Templars within the Imperial Fists? There's certainly art of Amit in chapter colors from either the heresy era or the era immediately afterward during the chapter's founding...

Either way, Flesh Tearer colors are legit as fuck and I think that army looks fucking sick. You do you, ya crazy rampaging space vampire.

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>>50847675
I saw potential.

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>>50848094
Yes, don't let your memes be dreams

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>>50848090
He's BA red with a black backpack.
Nothing stopping anyone doing what Blood Bearer anon did obv, they're His Dudes. But I would raise an eyebrow over the shade of red if that army was put down in front of me for sure.

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>>50848119
>>50848141
You gave the little hydras eyepatchs and that other thing. That's cute.

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>>50847294
>stop Word Bearer bullying this Christmas.
>stop bullying
>worst legion
no.
couldn't even beat girlly man with complete surprise.
lost special snowflake ship to a handful of men and a furry.
Spent almost as much time wanking in a corner as TS.
>melee legion, few good CC abilties
>psychic legion .... poorly
>demons
>the true bald

>>50848141
>>50848119
>he even deleted one of them because one of them was deleted

The attention to detail I would expect from the meme legion, well played

>>50848156
>>50848179
>He thinks it stops there
>He hasn't yet read the filename
Thanks.

>>50848177
A brother soul that can't stand the space kebab?
>>50848205
I read the filename.

>>50848177
I didn't ask whether or not they were the worst legion, anon. I didn't even ask to stop bullying them, but I will stop. Plz don't bully. Do it for Emperor'smas

>>50848152
Fair enough. I also realized as soon as I posted that picture that he had a Crux Terminatus so clearly that was post-heresy.

Hopefully when BA get more attention in a book they'll do a bunch of alternate paint schemes like they've done for some of the other legions.

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>>50848244
>Hopefully when BA get more attention in a book they'll do a bunch of alternate paint schemes like they've done for some of the other legions
I'm waiting for black and green WEs.

Are breachers bulky? I see no rules for it, but I find it odd that they can't take a rhino as a DT. If they aren't bulky, am I able to put them in a Dreadclaw?

>>50848566
>Blood Angel Orange
It was a simpler time.

Is "Forgeworld purity" an issue where you guys play? Do people look down on you for suspecting that your $110 battle tank is chinky goods gotten off ebay or elsewhere?

>>50848964

Why even make it an issue?

>>50848914

They can't take rhinos because they're designed for close quarters fighting in dense areas with little room to maneuver. Rapid mobility warfare is in the domain of the tactical squads.

>>50848152

>field Blood Ravens
>call them Flesh Tearers

>>50848914
Oh yes. Breachers can go in anything. But they're breachers. For a unit with giant shields they only use them when getting shot by AP2 or better.

There needs to be a shield mechanic that makes it so it doesnt feel like theyre not using their shields against AP4 or worse.

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>>50848218
>A brother soul that can't stand the space kebab?
of course bruva.

>>50849225
We need WB to be the legion that always sucks for the foil effect.

>>50849205

Well they went out of style for a reason.

>>50849235

But that title forever belongs to the Night Lords (not counting the [REDACTED] which obviously failed initial trials on Earth).

>>50849205
Reroll armor saves, add artificer armour/boarding shield incompatibility rule.

Boom

>>50849205

Breachers should get an ability where they can choose not to move and put their shields on the ground and crouch behind them, giving them increased survivability against shooting and turns charges into disordered charges and negates HoW and Furious Charge

>>50849225
Why are the WBs kebab? I thought that was the TS

>>50849340

This will probably be a Rite of War at some point. Some Legions used Breachers far more than others and should be rewarded for this specialization.

>>50849351

Pre-Chaos they went to a planet and squatted on it and doing nothing but talking on street corners for ages while every other legion was moving the Great Crusade forward. Post-Chaos their biggest priority is to go to a planet and talk mad shit. If the Warp had internet, Word Bearers would be the most rampant shitposters in life.

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>>50849336
Reroll failed Armour saves succeeding on a 5+.
Regular 6++/5++ if AP3 or better.

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>>50849404
Whaaaat, they barged in and burned down non-compliants. Their failure was to linger about building Imperial churches to the Emperor...
Post-chaos they did pretty much the same thing, only now burning imperials and building churches to chaos.

So I guess you're saying they are Ottoman-like? Didn't know those were the ones with the kebab.

Have some tacos al pastor

>>50849441
The pic says reroll from shooting, nothing about succeeding in a 5+.

I mean Ill take literally anything that makes it so
they
actually
use
their
shield
properly

where can i find rules for thallax?

>>50849572
book one and three if i am not mistaken
go for book 3

>>50849572
Admech red book

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>>50849541
No, I just provided background for a reroll being used in the past, by FW rules themselves.
As in, a reroll of 5+ wouldn't be too much of a wild idea, considering FW itself used a rerollable 3+ as the original template of breacher marines.

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>>50849572
Taghmata book.
What do you want them for?

>>50848964
Who can even tell once it's painted?

>>50848964
No one has even attempted to discourage my attempt at purchasing 40k rhinos and 40k predators.

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>>50849484
Fuck you, AL, you've made me hungry now.

>TFW the closest taquería is 3km away and I'm too drunk to walk there.

>>50849683
Those are nice. Bit thicc on that yellow, but otherwise quite good.

>>50848964
Nah, it's always a don't ask don't tell situation. You don't go around bragging about your China shit and you politely refrain from asking others.

>>50849484

They went around and shitted every place they went with super cathedrals touching the sky. At least Dorn built fortresses. At least Guilliman built societies and local economies. But mega churches? The Emperor has no need for goddamn mega churches.

And thanks to the Word Bearers legacy, uncounted sums of wealth is spent annually just on the galactic maintenance of mega churches. Literally a legacy of squatting, shitting, and constant shitposting. And thats before anyone even mentions how all the galaxy's degenerate slavs rally to them to re-enact Stalingrad death charges everywhere.

At least Tyranids have a method to the madness in turning entire civilizations on itself. But Lorgar and friends just want to shitpost more and delight in their ever growing fields of shitposting.

>>50850094
>something something proofs

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is taking 30 relentless kakophoni power gaming?

>>50850347
Wasn't Monarchia a shrine city? And you know in 40k "city" means tens of millions of people.
The WB established Emperor Cults and that took time, they lingered in the conquered planets and that slowed their advance.
Even the tiny TS did more compliance than them, let that sink in.

>>50850426
but where is proofs
come on man you should get the joke by now don't make me keep shitposting

>>50850377

Not when their greatest feats are running off the board in failed morale checks and spending half their games pinned or on the ground avoiding barrages. Now if you field Eidolon with a jet pack horde, I will take you seriously.

>>50849683
Ahhh gotcha. Like i said, anything to make them be able to weather incoming fire from normal small arms that a giant shield would provide.

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>>50850447

is 30k a safe haven from 40k autism ?

>>50850729
yeah if you have a good group and actually care about the legion you're building

>>50850729
Slightly.

>>50850729

30k Autism can be worse.

>>50850759
how ? Chaosfag dont whine and you dont have tau or eldar which imo is 90% of the 40k autism.

>>50847083
I'm a little salty Ultramarines get the best breachers in the game that double as command squads (Invictarii Suzerains) and two sets of shields (the blinged out Invictarii ones and the more plain, new ones for regular breachers).

I wish Phalanx Warders were worth their points.

>>50850840
i wish medusan immortals were worth their points
fuck smurfs, i'm glad my group doesnt have any

>>50850853

I wish Inferno hadn't been constantly put back time and time again.

>>50851012
thats not breacher shield related bitching and moaning, fuck off

>>50850818
Loreautism.

>>50850759

The biggest autism I have found was some guy pointing out that I didn't use the correct squad/company markings for some of my dudes.

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Errata anon here. Been lurking and watching the past few thread and been chewing on the input from the last two versions. I present the third version.

As always, this errata is a gift; meant to be a starting point. Anyone is free to modify it to fit their groups needs or what have you. My goal is simply to help remove the stigmata of 'hombrew' to help this great expansion make a little more sense crunch-wise. I'm not here to boss around and I appreciate the feedback I've been given. It will never have a 'final' version as it's meant to change and adapt as time goes on and to be adapted by other groups.

>>50851043
Are there any?

I've yet to find any fluff explanation for squad markings. The marks for devastators, assault, scouts, command and such seem to be post heresy inventions.

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>>50851043
That's just a keen eye. We're talking about helmet-wearing tier

>>50851043
>>50851123
I feel like thats projecting his own ideas more than the normal /hhg/autism. Legions had so many chapters and variatiosn across so many years that if it looks like the legion, its totally fine.

>>50850853
They're only 50 points over normal breachers. For that 50 points you get FnP. A naked apoth is 45, but this FnP can't be sniped out. Plus you're IH and are effectively T5 against shooting so unless its S10 you get a 6++/5+ FnP.

Then they can all take chargers.

Though looking at Suzies... 200 points? Get out of here. Eff that yeah immortals need to be like 200.

>>50851200
>They're only 50 points over normal breachers

The only issue with that is breachers are already a bit too many points for what they do.

>>50851223
Also true

I got BoP and want advice since I've never delved into 30k. Is it worth it to magnetize the termies in the box? I have no idea what the weapons are and which ones are good, etc. Is it worth it to magnetize them or should I just build what I think looks cool and proxy?

>>50851252
>Is it worth it to magnetize the termies in the box?
Depends. Can you quantify if the time and magnets incur a lesser cost than just buying more models?
If so than go for it.
But if you spend more than three hours magnetizing these models, at a basic minimum wage value, you have already paid for another set of five.
At which point- buy more models instead.

>>50851332
I'm probably just going to magnetize them then. As a jew it triggers me when I cant use every bit inside the box.

>>50851355
Then satisfy your inner jew by selling the bits you don't use to fund more models.

>>50851377
I just might, goy

>>50851388
I'm going to have four BOP, two B@C, and a smattering of other smaller boxes worth of spare bits to sell.
It may honestly be enough for a Spartan, if I measure it out properly.

>>50851419
Damn, that's quite a bit. I play Wolves, so I've got shit tons of bits just chilling.

>>50851445
Same. I thought I had enough CCW's.
I never realized I could be so wrong.

Laurie Goulding will leave GW/BL in six days. How do you guys feel about this?

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>>50851466

>>50851458
Do you just sell that shit on ebay or?

>>50851466
feels bittersweet, since he's already caused a lot of damage

>>50851466

I lament how far he's fallen, and I respect that at least at the start he tried to take his overwhelming love for the HH setting and apply it for the good of the series. He really was the ultimate geek with it came to the Horus heresy (taking about it with him was one hell of an experience.) But like all ascended fanboys, power corrupted. I can't say his replacement will do a better job (I can't say he'll do a worse job either) but given the series is almost over, that person will be doing little but shepherding it over the line.

So much as I respect Laurie, I can't say I'm completely saddened he's leaving. His is a cautionary tale of what happens when the fan runs the asylum.

>>50851475
No, I meant for my army.
I've had to convert so many left handed bolt pistols with rh chainswords for my MkIII marines it's not funny.

Once I finish the models I have, I will take an inventory of my bits and see what I can sell.
/hhg/ will be the first to know.

>>50851512
Oh, just wondering. I don't use a lot of the bits that I have cause I think that it just crowds some of the models up. I might just start selling a lot of the bits I have, so I can start a 13th company with a mix of wulfen and BoP kits.

>>50851522
But the 13th didn't become wulfen-heavy untill after chasing the Thousand Sons for a few decades through the Eye of Terror.
Or is it meant for 40k ?

>The Last Son of Prospero

>THE STORY
The Thousand Sons sorcerer Revuel Arvida guided his White Scars kinsmen through all the horrors of the ruinstorm, even though the psychic exertion almost killed him. Now on Terra, he clings to life by the merest thread, his body ravaged by the curse of his Legion - the insidious flesh-change. The primarch Jaghatai Khan demands that Arvida be saved, no matter the cost. But even if such a thing were possible, what would remain of his mind and soul?

>His body ravaged by the flesh-change, Thousand Sons sorcerer Revuel Arvida clings to life by the merest thread. And even if Malcador the Sigillite can save him, what will remain?

>http://www.blacklibrary.com/all-products/the-last-son-of-prospero-ebook.html

Oh shit! It's BL's chance to confirm or deconfirm that the Blood Ravens = Thousand Sons. It all depends on if Malcador manages to cure him or not. But if Magnus failed to cure it, what chance does the Sigillite have?

>>50851200
>>50850840
>>50850853
Oh wait, Suzies are 200 for 5, not 10. a full 10 is 325 vs warders and immortals. Not as big of a discrepancy as i thought

>>50851600
Well Malcador was quite the visionary, who knows what he comes up with. I mean, he even had the brilliant idea of fem-primarchs before anybody else ! :^)

>>50851600
>Oh shit! It's BL's chance to confirm or deconfirm that the Blood Ravens = Thousand Sons
Oh please no. Blood Ravens were a mistake and should not exist.

>>50851584
Probably going to run the same army in both settings, so I tried to add a little 40k to them.

>>50848152
BA are suposed to be beautiful.
Every depiction of them and their primarch makes them ugly af.

>>50850853
After some playtesting they really do shine as troops in a phobos

>>50851644
Why?
The most important thing they ever did is steal forgebreaker

Why are there so many racist /pol/tard manchildren playing this game? Go back to your containment board nazi pissbabies

Could some kind anon r8 my 2k Alphas list? Merry Emperor-day Eve.

-Armillus Dynat: RoW (Coils of the Hydra) - 200pts
-Legion Centurion: Chaplain, Artificer Armour, Refractor Field, Plasma Pistol, Power Maul - 120pts
-Tactical Squad: Vexalia, Sergeant (Power Dagger/Artificer Armour/Meltabombs), Rhino (Pintle-Mounted Multi-Melta) - 210pts
-Tactical Squad: Vexalia, Sergeant (Power Dagger/Artificer Armour/Meltabombs), Rhino (Pintle-Mounted Multi-Melta) - 210pts
-Tactical Squad: Vexalia, Sergeant (Power Dagger/Artificer Armour/Meltabombs), Rhino (Pintle-Mounted Multi-Melta) - 210pts
-Lernaean Terminators: 3x Power Fist, Chainfist, Harrower (Chainfist/Power Dagger) - 265pts
-Invictarus Suzerain (Rewards of Treason): Land Raider Phobos (Armoured Ceramite) - 445pts
-Contemptor-Mortis Dreadnaught - 190pts
-Vindicator Tank Squadron: Dozer Blade, Machine Spirit - 150pts

Total: 2000/2000

Armillus, the Chaplain and the Alpha Suzies jump in the Land Raider and throw themselves at the scariest enemy units. Vindicator and the Deep Striking (thanks to Armillus) Laernaens make a general nuisance of themselves. The Mortis deals with Fliers, I'm trying to avoid using a Deredeo since I dislike the model. Currently all I have assembled are the Chaplain, Lernaeans and Tactical Squads sans-Transports, so everything else is up for debate. I recognise Coils is underwhelming at 2K but I want to use it anyway.

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>>50851829
>Emperor-day
I'M NOT A GOD, DAMNIT.
I BET LORGAR DID THIS.

>>50851829
Forgot to mention, Tactical Sergeants should be armed with Combi-Meltas.

>>50851829
And the Dreadnought has Lascannons I'm retarded this morning never mind.

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I have awoken

>>50850818
>how ?

Lurk more, witness the endless debates on who is best primarchs who din do nuffin, how MkV is post-Heresy designation for all the custom suits slapped together from crap, poorfag 40k models not allowed in true 30k, old fluff is no longer canon, Goldie is no longer canon, ADB ruined everything, etc. etc.

>>50847189
Post pics, I can't find any online of the thing.

I really need that style of jump packs with a single big turbine and that's the only one I can find.

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It's really hard to be civil to this absolute fucking cunt desu.

>>50851940
>going to forums
must suck to know that people think that first-pass dross is better than the stuff you've been putting out for a god damn decade

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>>50851940
He is funny though.

>>50851881
Post Spoilers

>>50851940
I need to start hanging out in Star Wars General more, now that he's going to be working on Star Wars canon.

When did the customer become the enemy? I can understand that tons of fluff from dozens of sources can be hard to unify when making more direct advanced into that part of the fluff, but just throwing everything out and telling people only fags and crybaby manginas like it isn't building a good foundation for the future.

>>50851940

His complete lack of respect for his own company's product and fellow coworker's work is appalling. I'm completely fine with someone having this opinion and thinking themselves superior, but you don't just blatantly say this shit. Other companies like Blizzard had this happen and reprimands, apologies, and even firings have happened.

>>50852271
GW is the kind of company that doesn't bow down to its toxic customers. I respect them for that.

>>50852394
>made half the game about a single faction because of popularity
>made a 3rd franchise with multi-book series all about said faction because of popularity
>doesn't bow to customers

Just because you don't bow to customers doesn't mean you have to actively shit on them. Also, you do realize anon's talking about Goldie shitting on GW's own people and their work, not the customers, right?

>>50852422
>GW's own people and their work, not the customers, right?

The guys no longer work in GW and he is clearly doing it to tease the fans.

>>50852452
And I guess he doesn't want to work with people like McNeill again, who wrote a ton of those old IA.
I mean, people like Phil Kelly and Andy Hoare who still work there wrote others, but if they ever get writing jobs outside GW it'll be writing the menu boards of the cafe they're earning minimum wage in.

>>50848152
Where is his skinning knife?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y65yTWkJeng

me for the next 2 months as I save up for the new Knight

Why is picking a RoW so hard when starting out? I feel like if I build to the wrong thing, I'll ruin everything forever and never want to use my shit again.

I'm playing NL and trying to convert everything from plastic like Dread Claws, though I'll have to get Volkite Chargers because they're kinda unique looking.

>>50851088
what the hell is that. nope, just nope.

>>50852625
>Why is picking a RoW so hard when starting out?
Decision fatigue I guess.

>>50852625
I dunno, picking the RoW for my DG was pretty easy. Do I want 5+ cover or rad grenades, Troop heavy support squads and Move Through Cover? Wasn't that hard to decide.

>>50851881
Well now we know who Janus is.

>>50852591
On his belt, probably. There's a sheath behind the text box, or it could be on his other hip, or he left in on the rack or it's away at the cleaner's.

>>50852632
Some fag who keeps coming into the thread and positing his homebrew rules that no-one will ever use.

>>50852659
Yea, I guess. Literally every idea I've put out here has been slammed/ignored and the NL tactics blurb isn't very helpful, so now I'm lost.

>>50852672

Well, I either get 3 mandatory terror squads or expensive but awesome raptors as troops. Beyond that, I get the baseline ones. It's a lot harder.

I want a big unit of Raptors to be my centerpiece, but I also don't want to neglect terror squads or teleporting termies.

>>50852771
Build three terror squads with volkite, three units of vets in rhinos and thirty-forty ass-marines or raptors, that way you can mix and match as needed

>>50852771
As always, do what your heart tells you and ignore what would make the 'best' army. Who gives a fuck if something is inefficient or not as op as something else, it's your little plastic dudes, do what makes you smile when you look at them.

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>>50852802

Being functional isn't the same as being the best, though. I don't want to get btfo every single game because my plastic dudes can't handle more than a single vehicle with more than AV11. I don't feel the need to be the absolute best with the most efficient army that ever graced a table top, but I do feel the need to at least have a fighting chance.

>>50852799

What do you mean ass Marines? Just dudes with Bolters?

As it stands, I'm building Raptors by kit bashing CSM raptors, Calth torsos, and BoP heads. The weapons will likely be a mix of Raptor/Warp Talons and CSM/HH arms.

Terror squads will be made from mostly BoP bodies with Warp Talon heads. However, I might use the actual raptor torsos like pic related.

My normal Marines will be made from what's left when I'm done, and idk about termies. I might just leave the Cata as they are because they look awesome with LCs, but the Tartaros I'm not sure about.

>>50851881
Just read it. It was big info dump. Also confirms a few stuff that we already knew about Magnus.

>>50852903
>Also confirms a few stuff that we already knew about Magnus.
Like what?

>>50851995
Full spoilers because this one actually tells us stuff. Skip this and read it first if you're not just mildly curious for shitposting reasons, it's just 2 quid after all.
Malcador tries to save Arvida from the flesh change. He fails. It turns out however, that a shard of Magnus is loitering around in the ancient spaces beneath the palace, and Malcador plans to use Arvida to draw him out. He plugs Arvida into a bunch of tech in one of the warding chambers.
Arvida has a bunch of psychic visions etc, in which he is joined by his old tutelary Ianius, and eventually finds the shard of Magnus.
In the real world, the Khan turns up and is super pissed that Mal isn't saving Arvida and is instead using him for some sorcerous bullshit
Stuff happens in the psychic realm between the Magnus shard and Arvida, while in the real world, the Khan takes his sword to all the creepy machines in the warding room
The end result is that Arvida's body coalesces back into existence, untainted of the flesh change...but he's got a damaged eye. He says to Mal that, sorry, I know you wanted the shard of Magnus, but you've got me instead.
The Khan takes a long look at him, then says yo you ain't Arvida...and you aren't my brother either. What's your name?
Ianius, is the answer

The twist of the story is spoiled on the second page because of course Ianius is just a different spelling of Janus

>>50852925
Wait, I thought it was the Rubric of Ahriman that shattered Magnus?

Hence why Magnus manipulates Rubric mk2 Wizard Boogaloo into reforming him. Does that mean the rubric happened during the heresy, and not after?

>>50852962
at the tail end of the Heresy I think.

>>50852925
Well shit

>>50852962
Lol.

>>50852962
>Wait, I thought it was the Rubric of Ahriman that shattered Magnus?
IIRC the shattering happend when Magnus left Prospero after his duel with Russ.

>>50852925
Grey Knight-Omegon cucks BTFO.

>>50852962
The Rubric isn't what shattered Magnus. The Rubric was intended to bring him back together.

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Which looks better, the head+Torso I posted here >>50852889
or pic related?

>>50852889
>What do you mean ass Marines?

ASS(ault) Muhreeenz.

>>50850377
>is taking 30 relentless kakophoni power gaming?
I've seen someone do it, with apothecary too.
Better 3rd company elite or nothing's going to happen.
Furthermore
>6s ap5
>powergaming
even with biopsychicshock it's not that bad unless your opponents have bad dice.
unless you are fighting blob guard.
they will die in droves.

Is there any lore about the Mechanicum on Istvaan? Seeing as I'm slowly building some Ordo Reductor I thought I'd do some terrain for them, and seeing as the players at my store who are cool are World Eaters, Death Guard, Emperors Children and Iron Hands, it would be fitting.

Didn't Decima hole up in a manufactorum complex and shoot traitors?

Might be cool for a group Armies on Parade, too. Make four boards that all work together.

>>50853087

Ah right. Assault Marines really don't look that good though, especially compared to raptors.

>>50852962
Shattered Magnus exists outside of space/time restraints thanks to the Warp, while the events that led to his final shattering happened after he delivered the message, shards appear at the echoes of his passings.

>>50853129
>Didn't Decima hole up in a manufactorum complex and shoot traitors?
Yes, unfortunately, Decima Invictus was post Istvaan.

>>50853129
There's those blind hunter squads or whatever, they were supposed to be terrifying.

>>50853197
Well, I guess he would need to survive something pretty damn big to take "Undefeated" as a second name. Might be cool to have him, some Thallax and a couple Myrmidons bunkered down in some ruins with sandbags. Would probably work reasonably well if I could talk DGbro into setting up some attacking marines, maybe have Morturg there.

>>50853211

Haven't come across those, what did they do and what book are they in? They sound cool.

>>50853006
>>50853050
>>50853171
Alright. It's been forever since I read the Ahriman novels, but the way Magnus behaves in those (shattered) is entirely different from Magnus during the heresy (pretty sane and collected, talking to his legion and other primarchs).

I thought the Ahriman trilogy made it seem like what broke Magnus into the actual personality shards was the Rubric (unrelated to his physical form being broken by Russ), thus him hijacking Ahriman's second attempt to unify the fragments into himself again.

>>50853241
They're described in scorched earth, mechanicum troops with some Astartes back up left on Isstvan V to hunt down loyalist survivors of the dropsite massacre

>>50853006
This seems confirmed in the Scars novel, where the Khan meets one of these pieces of Magnus and then banishes/destroys it after a chat.

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>>50853265
The Ahriman series doesn't go into what broke Magnus. When a shard of Magnus was asked about it, it changed the subject.

What concerns me is of the Magnus Abaddon and Khayon fought was a shard or not. Khayon earned his rep by defeating Magnus and forcing him to kneel before Abaddon. It would ruin his victory by having it be a shard.

>>50853284
Guess I got the shattering part mixed up with the reassembly by the 2nd rubric then.

Too bad Inferno is very unlikely to flesh things out beyond Prospero, would have been nice to know more about this.

>>50851829
I like it anon, though I might have gone with dual Kheres instead of lascannons

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>>50853284
That would imply the other authors care about how ADB feels.

>>50853265
A couple thousand years pass between the HH and the 2nd Rubric, also one of the Magnus shards went to the court of Tzeentch and got BTFO, the shards may or may not be acting consciously independently or just unconsciously according to what that aspect of Magnus would do, at one point they're scheming against one another (or are they?!) etc. and they appear in all sorts of places outside of normal time.
I wouldn't try and apply to much logic to it, Crimson King will apparently deal with some of this.
Malcador mentions that Magnus' shattering began on Terra and ended when the Russ broke his physical form, but
>believing what Malcador says
I reckon McNeill will have it happen at bit later, but the echoes reverberate up and down Magnus' warptime presence and form at locii of important events.

>>50853317
John French and ADB worked/collaborated together to create Khayon and establish his relationship with Ahriman.

According to ADB, Khayon and Ahriman are two sides of the same coin. This will be shown in the coming Black Legion series novels.

>>50853321
It's bad enough that they stole the Necrons aesthetic, they are now stealing the sharding angle as well?

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>>50853337
Which is heads and which one is tails? This is important.

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>>50853353
Iskandor Khayon. He has a better hat.

>>50853347
>expecting the fathers of the Blood Ravens not to be thieves

>>50853363
Khayon is heads*

>>50848044
The Macrocarid deathstar thing sounds cool, but it is a LOT of points. It does do a lot of good things though. It's a giant pile of guns that can melt pretty much anything, and using Machine Spirit to fire one Engine, expose the sarge and shoot him with the Imploder and then melt the rest with the other Engine seems like an excellent way of disposing of troublesome anythings.

The point cost thing is a surprisingly small problem. Taking what I want and reasonable upgrades caps both my points and slots neatly at 3k, and I can easily ditch a few things to lower points.
My practice lists have two Thallax units and two or three Adsecularis blobs, which should probably provide enough scoring, and the Macrocarid probably help in that regard as well.

For the reserves thing, the Explorator Web probably does it, but downgrading my Archmagos Reductor to a regular Magos and throwing in an Archimandrite is probably a good idea, giving 1-3 arty tanks, 1-2 Krios, the Macrocarid and the two planes IWND and all but guaranteeing reserves even if he Disrupts me somewhat. If I don't have the points for that, I guess I can add an ADL with a relay for my backline to hide behind, since some mobile cover that doesn't impair my shooting is always helpful.

Lightning fighters are pretty much always going to be nice, but equipping them is a conundrum. At least one equipped with Kraken is a given, but would only 4 missiles be better? They are very expensive, and odds are they aren't lasting very long even with IWND.

Either both with Tank Hunters, Strafing Run and 4 Krakens, or one like that and the other with autocannon and some Phosphex bombs, since that makes for a nice all-rounder.


The World Eaters player does like his Dreadclaw and his Storm eagle. Even at BS4, I think the Krakens should put a serious dent in either of those, probably kill it if I can get within 6" of the Djinn-Skein for +1BS.

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>>50853363
Nope. It's too close to the Khornate bunny ears in my opinion. Plus isn't that a common sorcerer hat? Ahzek's hat is mighty fine.

>>50852925
What does it even mean at this point?

>>50853401
It just resolves who Janus is, if you care about that.
If you don't, it's nothing important, who cares about anything amirite, suiiiiciiide is paiiinlesss it brings on, many changes

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Any idea where the armor plates on this came from?

It's obviously a Domitar as the base, but the techmarine-like leg plates I can't figure out.

>>50853475
Oh nevermind, it's just one of perturabo's iron circle. I forgot they even existed.

So McNeil and Goulding hate each other now probably as Goulding is trying to muscle in on McNeil and his new atheist gang bang in LA
Explains why he shat over McNeil hinting that blood ravens were thousand sons
Goulding - what a surprise with that name

>>50853434
So, it's implying Omegon isn't Janus?

>>50853347
Shit headed Goulding couldn't think of how to turn good intentions Magnus into a daemon who would attack Terra
The same way he couldn't deal with how to show the traitors slipping into chaos
So he just does a lolz 5 year time gap dudes as seen in scars and ravenguard novels
So we have a bunch of stories with plucky loyalists making a difference then suddenly what they did didn't matter oh and btw world eaters now number in the millions

>>50853629
Confirming almost...

>>50837097

Its just retributor armour washed with gloss reikland fleshshade and highlighted with runefang steel

>>50853664
Thank god. That theory was a little headache inducing desu. And I'm a hardcore ALfag.

>>50852903
Could you post it please?

>>50851088
Normally I'd respond, but you posted this like at 3 am for (me)

>>50851600
>>His body ravaged by the flesh-change, Thousand Sons sorcerer Revuel Arvida clings to life by the merest thread. And even if Malcador the Sigillite can save him, what will remain?
The Flesh Change ravages him, leaving him bald and with a speech impediment, BRUVA

>>50853664
Boooooo!
I wanted Omegon to be Janus and Sevatar to be Khyron, just because.

>>50853401

Janus is half Arvida half Magnus. A two faced god.

>>50852632
maybe extrapolate whats wrong with it instead of just whining.

>>50852711
just give him the CnC and he'll leave.

>>50854388
You know, last time I checked tutelaries were DAEMONS

>>50854427

This isn't a tutelary. This is half marine half Primarch for an Imperial faction so it's perfectly okay with no consequences whatsoever. Only traitors get bad things, because the good guys always save the day in nu-GW.

>>50854476
>Somehow part of Magnus is now founder of the GK

This actually makes way more sense than Omegon, who has showed zero psychic potential so far, leading a chapter made entirely out of psykers.

Also
>Emperor : Psykers are bad and should be exterminated. Let's start by banning them at Nikea ! Specially the marine ones !
>Malcador : Dude what do you think about a chapter made entirely out of psykers to combat daemons ?
>Emperor : Splendid idea, start right now ! And tell me if you need anything. What's that, need some of my special juice to sample that chapter's geneseed ? Here you go pal.

>>50854549
Yo be honest, the Old lore banned sorcery and rampant witchery over regulated librarians, and the GK initiative happened after 9 Legiones Astartes started using witchery and literal daemons against the Imperium.
Grey Knights wouldn't have been needed at Armageddon if Angron had not become a Daemon Primarch

>>50854549
>Psykers are bad and should be exterminated. Let's start by banning them at Nikea ! Specially the marine ones !
black library retcons don't make sense
news at eleven

>>50854579
Yeah, old lore best lore.

Imagine they already had some GK ready when the fight in the webway happend.

This is probably terrible, so I'm sorry in advance.

Night Lords Horror Cult 2000pts

>HQ
Legion Praetor
Paragon Blade, Lightning Claw
AA, Jump pack, Digital Lasers, Iron Halo, Trophies

Centurion - Chaplin
AA, Jump Pack, MB

>Troops
Legion Tactical Squad x20
Extra CCW, Vox
Sgt w/ AA, MB, Chain glaive

Night Raptors x15
Lightning Claws x5
Chain Glaives x5
Melta x3
Sgt w/ AA + Claws

>Elite
Terror Squad x10
Volkite x10
Sgt w/ AA, Chain Glaive, and MB
Dreadclaw

Cataphractii Terminators x5
Combi-Melta x2
Autocanon
Pair of Claws
Sgt w/ Chainfist and Combi-Melta
Teleport Transponder

Apothecarion Detachment
Apothecary w/ Jump Pack and Chain Glaive (With Raptors)

Apothecary w/ AA and Volkite Charger (with Tacticals)

>>50854675
What is your plan against a spartan with all the bells and whistles or a leviathan ?

>>50854549
The Grey Knights were founded after the HH by a broken and regretful Emperor, didn't you read the Emperor's Gift by ADB?

Read the opening quote. The Grey Knights were the Emperor's last gift to a race that he failed.

So if you weren't dumb, then you would know after the Webway got expolded, the Emperor lost any hope of solving the psychic evolution issue other than just guiding them.

>>50854699

I have no idea. I'm totally new to 30k. Hell, no one around me even plays 30k, and if they did I can't see them buying actual FW stuff. I'm stuck against 40k players, but 30k rules are still better than CSM rules.

>>50854549
I think the plan was for all librarians to become GKs which is why they weren't killed out of hand but just returned to the ranks
Likely they would have been a webway patrol force

>>50854702
Merry Chrimas to you too Carnac

>>50854731
In that case, it does look alright, depending on how cheesy your local meta is.

>>50852925
Based Khan. He cares for his men more than he cares for Imperium.

>>50854741
Minor correction. The candidates were chosen and put in Titan during the HH. Malcador put a time spell on the moon that lasted until I think early last 31K to early 32K.

The Grey Knights officially rejoined the Imperium during the concluding stages of the Beast crisis.

>>50854628
That was Merrett
Goulding went even worse
Nikea was already planned when mort was found
Emperor did a deal with chaos and let the Primarchs be scattered on purpose beforehand - which is a retcon of their own books where he is faced with a last minute choice
Goulding only got into warhammer when he saw a sci-fi book in the nyt bestsellers list and then used his Jewish connections to get into being the editor for BL
And ever since the series has gone to shit and he has shat on the lore

>>50854763

It's not too bad. The worst I've had to face was podding grav cents, but those guys haven't been around in awhile.

In fact, it's been pretty barren.

How would you make the list better for actual 30k while keeping a NL feel? I'm mostly converting from GW plastic if it matters, but I haven't really started cutting yet.

>>50854702
>didn't you read the Emperor's Gift by ADB?
You know, I entered this setting because I was looking for examples of powered armour, and stayed for the FW books, but it turns out you gotta read PhD-tier books to still partially understand the setting?
Fuck that, I just want cool-looking minis

>>50854786
Lets be real here. Stop throwing the blame around when it's obvious you guys didn't do your homework.

The whole Grey Knight thing is a telling sign.

>>50854786
IIRC Goulding didn't write Daemonology

>>50854806
It's a 30 year old setting. You''ll always will be missing something.

What I recommend is getting in AoS. The setting is just starting out, it has some cool minis. You will catch up real fast.

>>50854765
Khan is one of the few characters coming out of all this horseshit as more likable. Helps that he's been written by just one guy I suppose.

>>50854847
Noooooo shut up get carnacs! The few 40k I've read I liked and Mortarion is made of sadness
>>50854908
The Sallies are written by a single guy, but it doesn't help it's Kyme :^)

>>50854847
>One unbreakable shield against the coming darkness, One last blade, forged in defiance of fate.

>Let them be my legacy to the galaxy I conquered, and my final gift to the species I failed.’

-Emperor on the Grey Knights (source Emperor's Gift)

It's no wonder why the Grey Knights are viewed as superior to anything in the Emperor, even the Custodes. They are the Emperor's final jab at the fate that the Chaos Gods dealt him.

>>50854932
He should have built a cadre of Warrior-Webways, then :^)

>>50854908
That nigga who got full control over White Scars should get some sort of award.
He writes the best stuf. Amazing and epic, yet somehow grounded.

>>50854932
>Only builds the ultimate daemon counter army after daemons fucked everything up already

Such great planning. So glad BL isn't canon.

>>50855045
None of that would have been necessarily has the webway worked, but Horus, Lorgar and Magnus happened.
Honestly, the Emperor biggest mistake was to not make 20 Sanguiniuses and be done with it.
tfw the autocorrector corrects bigger to nigger

>>50855045
>"Why didn't we have a detailed snow-removal policy?" man in equatorial desert demands.

>>50855045
Hey, dumbass, The Grey Knight codex confirms that the Emperor geneseed was used to create the Grey Knights. In fact, ADB says that he had to change what's in the novel to accommodate what's in the codex.

Also Grey Knights weren't needed back then since they had Custodes and SoS. These guys were devastated by daemons and it was shown that a new powerful counter was needed.

>>50854812
>>50854822
The new style of just having an editor or 2 and all others freelance means the editor i.e. Jewlding decided the lore
If an author decides a different lore he doesn't get published simple

>>50854921
The thing is Kyme is an editor so he writes mechanically
Same with Jewlding that's why his novels are shit
I feel sorry for the scythes fucked over by tyranids and jewlding

>>50855211
GK appear to be more effective for fighting daemons than the Custodes and Sisters. They can find them more easy thanks to their psychic gift to begin with, but also weaken or banish them more directly than bolter-and-sword-to-the-face.

>>50855189
Poor comparison. Eldar use the webway extensively and still have to fight off daemons that found a way in from time to time. Building an experimental webway and mapping out the excisting webway (which has broken and compromised parts) and expecting not to run into daemons ever is a bit optimistic. It's like living under water inside a glass dome and being sure you'll never get wet.

Can I use a Knight Warden in 30k Mechanicum, or am I stuck with the Paladin, Errant or ForgeWorld variants?

Also, is it even worth bringing one with so much high strength firepower and Leviathans? Seems like they'd die quickly, but having House Malinax supporting Xana seems fluffy.

>>50848566
>Dark Angels, Salamanders, and World Eaters all the same color
But why

>>50855319
Kyme's completely fucking talentless, in fact he's got negative talent - his authorial habits are so analytically, definitively bad that I feel pity for the education and reading habits of anyone who tries to say he's even half decent.

>>50855329
>but also weaken or banish them more directly than bolter-and-sword-to-the-face.

SoS can channel their soullessness to minic the banishing rites of the Grey Knights.

But there is an added bonus. SoS can sometimes perma-kill daemons. Something the Grey Knights struggle with.

>>50855331
Looks like you can't have a Warden as part of the mechanicum itself. Can't find a unit entry or wargear options to field one.

Knights are generally alright however, due to being super-heavy and all that. If you're scared of leviathans charging your knight and tearing it a new one before it can do anything in return just make sure the leviathan has to charge through terrain, problem solved.

>>50855514
OK, then. Guess he's being left at home.
Did not know that Leviathans lacked assault grenades, good to know.

>>50855478
Oh yeah, forgot about that. Still, being able to sense daemons posing as something else, or over longer distances and out of sight also seems rather handy.

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>>50855533
The only dreads that can have 'assault grenades' are the good old angry washing machines ... but nobody seems to field those anymore

Such a shame.

>>50848566
>if your Legion isn't on this original list it isn't worth shit

>>50855600
Oh but the Alpha Legion is on there, so I'm not woried at all

>>50855600
Back then, the RG were better at hiding, it's not that they're missing, but rather that you can't spot them.

OK, read through the books about Isstvan V, and it seems like it wasn't much of a siege. Why were the traitors IN FRONT OF their defenses? Seems like a bit of a waste of all those EC chipping their nails digging. I can see Angron and maybe Fulgrim getting ahead of themselves, but come ON, Death Guard.

Also, I started reading three hours ago just looking for the colour of the soil there, man this lore stuff is interesting.
Seems like the Loyalists would have done better if they'd brought the Reductor along, though. Rolling siege artillery spearheaded by shock troops is literally their job. I guess they did expect the bitter boys to turn up and help shortly, though.

Hopefully we get some better fluff about the Schism of Mars soon, I expect epic desert battles, as well as all the bullshit held in the Vault of Moravec.

>>50855721
By visibly arranging themselves in front of the wall, they were baiting the Imperials to just come straight in. Fulgrim was peacocking on purpose to bait Ferrus.
They supported this tactic with stuff like the hidden groups of World Eaters sitting waiting in covered positions to erupt in the attacker's midsts.

>>50855570
I read errata anon's proposed fix, but I want +1 AV for +20/25 pts.
Base 100pts.

>>50855804
OK, that actually makes sense. Rare for Warhammer battles, that.

>>50855857
Not that anon, but yeah I agree with both of you. You were getting baited Ferrus-style there, huh.
Also, the bit of ECs breaking their nails was on purpose, a punishment from Horus to Fulgrim, based on the "wtf you mean you lost 40% of your legion on Istvaan III?! We still have to go all the way to Terra!!"
Also, I think they still wanted to capture Horus alive.
We've seen what the Mechanicum does when the situation is deemed a failure: Exterminatus not the whole planet, but the whole system, ask Farsight

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>>50855514
>>50855533
>>50855570
Leviathans have frag grenades. Glorious I5 on charge no matter what

>>50854675

Anyone else? Not sure how to make it better for 30k.

>>50855600
>Iron Warriors so irrelevant they didn't make the cut
Fitting

>>50856046
It's pretty good, you don't have any way to react to deathstars though.

Just wait until a tau player declines a game because of "OP Forgeworld."

>>50855938
To be fair, Exterminatus on the whole system would def. have been the more effective course of action. Calleb Decima shows up, digs in and is a massive pain until he fucks off again, imagine a whole Macroclade. They'd have to talk them down before the planet exploded, though :).

I actually really like that battle, it does everything I like in a giant setting-changing event and as a smaller narrative, like Ferrus and Fulgrim.
Also it fits in almost exactly with the power level of the Primarchs on the tabletop - big, epic threats and awesome in a fight, but they still can't win by themselves and can be forced back with enough firepower.

>>50856035
Well I'll be damned, shows that I'm the only one locally that doesn't field leviathans.

The more concerning part is where everybody here that does field one doesn't seem to know leviathans have frag grenades. Now should I inform them or not ...

>>50856097

Not sure what kind of Deathstars there are in 30k, but I'd imagine they're nasty. Would a plasma support squad help against them?

>>50855600
>>50855675
>>50856058
raven guard, and I believe many if not all of the other legions missing in that image were added in one of the adeptus titanicus expansions

Don't have my physical books anymore so I can't really jog my memory, however.

>>50856162
A common and fluffy one is their Primarch plus a squad of legion-specific Terminators. You can add some cheese to it by putting in an Apothecary / P. Medicae or a Librarian.

>>50856162
Plasma support squad is probably the most used counter. Just feed the deathstar something insignificant like a tactical squad, and then open up with the plasmaguns after the poor tactical marines got torn to shreds by a vastly more expensive unit.

>>50856162
Vulkan plus some Fire Drakes. Horus and Justaerins. scoria

>>50856176

Makes sense. I'd like to to Batman with my Raptors, though. Truthfully, I like the raptors more than the Terror squads, but I can't deny the power of 10 Preferred Enemy, precision shot volkite chargers.

Still, that's pretty scary. You'd have to drop some shit like melta spam or something to nuke that 2+ and FNP, let alone the powers from a Libby.

>>50856176
>>50856162

Speaking of Deathstars, do you find them worth doing?

I personally have a dislike of stuff like that, my equivalent tends to be handing my HQs support items and hiding them in Enginseer squads and such. The closest I get is Myrmidons in a Macrocarid, and that is kind of a shooty mini-deathstar. Probably comes from my distaste for Cybernetica as a whole, but how do you guys view the 1000pt Primarchstar? I've seen them used quite well with smaller bodyguards in Land Raiders instead of Spartans, sometimes.

>>50856162

You will probably see a lot of Primarch+10 Termies or Legion-specific squad+Primus Medicae (Mega-Apothecary) in a Spartan Assault Tank, which is hella expensive and equally tough.

>>50856206

I could do that with another Dread Claw, since I'm converting at least 2 of them, though I might need to be in a Terror Assault for that.

>>50856221

Hrm, yea. That's scary. I guess I'd just try to either ignore and/or out maneuver them with Raptors/Dread Claws and/or drown them in Volkite/bolters while praying to the dice gods.

>>50856046
this might just be my personal preference speaking, but 20 man blobs ain't good

Two 10-man units let you squat on two separate objectives.

>>50856277

This is true, but NL get +1 hit and wound for out numbering. I figured having the blob would be good. Plus, it seemed popular.

>>50856303
counterpoint: if your footslogging blob of tacticals is caught in CC they've made some kind of mistake

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>>50856220
>>50856256

Artillery. Always artillery. Dropping a few AP2 blasts on one of those will turn it into mush in short order, although those are powerful enough that they're cheese in anything but small numbers.

For the Spartan, a Lightning Fighter with Kraken missiles and the upgrades for Strafing Run and Tank Hunters works wonders. Throwing 4 BS5 ranged Tank Hunter Chainfists into side armour to negate the Flare Shield pretty much always cripples or kills one of those things, and isn't unfluffy for Night Lords like arty.

The Phosphex Bombs as well as 4 Krakens make for a hell of an alpha strike. Drop some 3+ poison blasts that can reposition 2" to cover more enemies on someone in the movement, blow up a big armoured target in the shooting phase, then laugh as your paper plane gets blown out of the sky on top of the unit you just bombed, because YOU HAVE ALREADY WON.
I love those things.

>>50856326

As awesome as the lightning fighter sounds and looks, my wallet can't handle that kind of damage. I was thinking Vindicators, but the range might be an issue.

>>50856323

Except when they want to be in melee.

>>50856326
That sounds like a whole lot of effort.

I just use a saboteur :^)

>>50850818
>how?
Because autism, like Life and Keit-Ai, finds a way

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>>50856326
I hate the voss pattern lightning.

>>50855189
>equatorial desert
That's wrong. There's not a single desert crossing the equator, but you should read about trade winds.

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>>50856360
Maybe you could use this plane instead. Looks very similiar and is about the same size I think.

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>>50856360
I feel you on the Lightning wallet raids, I use Chaos Hellblades for mine since they're actually fluffy for Xana if you don't paint them all daemonic. Look nice too.

Vindicators are damn nice too. IIRC the Legions can give theirs Machine Spirit, move 12 and then fire, which fixes the range somewhat. I just like having air support, since as Mechanicum I can't have the Mortis Dread Skyfire to deal with planes as easily. They are the best I have for anti-air which is also helpful if the opponent lacks flyers, and they're damn good at it.

>>50856387

Not really. Fly on, shoot, then forget about it and hope it lands on the enemy when it inevitably explodes with AV11 2HP. Has done some nice things for me with twin-linked lascannon and 3+ jink, though.

I do like fighting with AL, though. Everything the opponent deploys gets exploded, everything they don't gets fucked over in effective and hilarious ways, then the entire rest of their army vanishes when the two Lightnings (I call them Edison and Tesla, they have a rivalry going on) and the AP1 Saboteurs come on.

>>50856395

Yeah, looks a bit shit, I'm lucky in that I have a fluffy proxy with identical weapons and armour that looks way better and is £30 cheaper

>>50856448

Yeah, AFAIK it's much the same and I know nobody who would give you stick over that. Converting stuff out of plastic to avoid FW prices is a time-honoured tradition, don't worry :)

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>>50856439
Kek, you can see that anon's point, but yeah when he said that I remembered both that Gobi's desert is almost as north as the USA goes and the Jamaican Sled team in the Winter Olympics, where it finished in 14th, ahead of the USA and Russia in 1994, winning gold at the world pushing championship in Monaco.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jamaica_national_bobsleigh_team

Maybe a better metaphor would be like Egypt lacks a decent blizzard-response program?

>>50856439
They're also the most obvious conditions to never get snow.

>>50856519

Hell Blades are still FW expensive, it's true that they're significantly cheaper. However, they're also out of stock, so there's that.

Regardless, I won't be buying anything for my NL for awhile. I still have both HH sets to assemble and convert, but I don't want to start until I have an idea of what the end result will look like.

>>50853159

Raptors are crazy expensive for +1 Weapon Skill and Onslaught, though, and they're not Scoring because Fast Attack (I assume you're not running Horror Cult because I've never met anyone running Horror Cult). Raptors aren't *bad*, but they're not exactly Justaerin or Gal Vorbak. 15 Raptors with 5 Chainglaives/Axes and Huntmaster in Artificer with Chainglaive and Melta Bombs is the same points as 20 Assault Marines with Combat Shields, 4 Power Axes and Sergeant in Artificer with a Power Fist. WS5 means the Raptors normally hit on 2s with Talent for Murder, but the Assault Marines have the extra 10 swings hitting on 3s to make up for that, and the 6++/5++ in combat really boosts their resilience. Raptors can bring Meltaguns, which are great, but having used Raptors a lot I'd say they're more of a sidegrade to Raptors than an upgrade.

Night Lords Assault Marines are super good though, counting as 40 guys for Talent for Murder means they'll almost always hit on 3s, wound on 3s, with a bunch of AP2 weapons hitting on 3s wounding on 2s.

>>50851802
the 30k setting reek of facism, it was bound to happend

Hypothetical: what's the most dick move netlist you can make for a 3k point legion army? Any legion

I'm not trying to make one, I'm trying to think of the worst case scenario I could end up facing

>>50857215

Ironfire.

>>50857235
Artillery in a skirmish-scale war game was a mistake. They should have left it in Epic.

>>50857253
>skirmish-scale

Don't know if it's skirmish scale when you can field hundreds of dudes.

>>50857253
40k's never really been a skirmish game. It's more platoon-company level fighting.

Single artillery pieces are fine. The problems show up when you spam shit.

>>50851098
I mean i do check back ha

>>50849683
>using Plasma Cannons in close formation in dense terrain/hallways where breacher tactics are actually used

I know the Imperial Fists are sadists, but I didn't realize they were THIS suicidal.

>>50857001

That makes sense, I suppose, though I was planning on Horror Cult, though I'd only use one large group like I did here >>50854675 as opposed to spamming them. I like flying LC. It's also easier to switch to 40k if I wanted to use TL.

Still, I guess I could roll with regular Assault Marines. I'd just have to leave the melta for when I play 40k.

Also, are you factoring in the +d3 attacks on the charge?

>>50857308
>The problems show up when you spam shit.
Truer words about GW systems have never been said.

>>50857215
Probably something like Armoured Breakthrough with 2 naked predators as troops, to free up as many points as possible for all the cheese. Massed quad mortart obviously, probably also lots of leviathans or cortus contemptors, vindicators, the best lord of war available ...

>>50854392
Looks like its not that kind of thread this time around, unfortunately.

>>50852711
Somebody asked for it the first time so i shared. Then people gave constructive feedback, so i posted the next version, and got more and did it again. Must have been when all the kiddies were asleep so the thread was full of constructive people.

>>50857412
Well if raptors don't get charge or charge something with defensive grenades or something they're trash. It's only if you roll 2 or higher for the bonus charge attacks that raptors become somewhat point efficient.

>>50857456

So how do you counter quad mortar/medusa spam?

AL armored spearhead for some good old fashion outflanking land raiders?

>>50856681
Yeah, its sad that theyre OOS, I think they're probably going to be back soon, though. They aren't on Last Chance, so I should be able to finish my air wing in a bit.

>>50857215
Ironfire arty spam, or Armoured Breakthrough min preds and then cheese. Honestly, as a relative newcomer, the cheese in this is far less than in 40k. Even the most powerful brie has some fairly clear weaknesses.

>>50857488

Well, 2/3 chances on the charge are at least favorable.

How about a NL Drop Assault Vanguard? I can take Assault Marines, Terror Squads get Dread Claws, and Terminators get teleporters. Plus I can always do a Dread with a Dread Claw, too. Hell, I could also take a small Raptor squad of I really wanted.

>>50857536
Maybe something like dropping a leviathan with phospex discharger right in the middle of them ? Eradicate one unit of mortars on the turn it drops, then pray it survives the incoming shatter rounds or just distracts the mortars enough that the rest of your army can close in unmolested.

Dammit, this bread really started making the idea of using a leviathan grow on me, but I don't want to be 'that guy'

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>>50857781
Nah, a single drop Leviathan wouldn't make you That Guy.
Try Double-Dynat Pod Leviathan with a S9 AP0 18" triple shot Melta gun each plus two AP1 Saboteurs.
See? Now you understand why Aeonid Thiel got censured. Because his theoreticals were the equivalent of 30k-theoryshitposting.
:^)

>>50855384
Because British people are only creative when it comes to killing German cows.

>>50857536
Personally I really like Krios Venators for that, but generally deepstriking in a couple squads next to them makes your opponent's sense of target priority utterly explode. Also, Mechanicum has less trouble than most since we have an abundance of low model count, high wound, T>5 units. Hell, even our HQs won't care. This lets me wait a turn for my Lightnings or deepstriking Thallax to turn up, and 2 Lightning guns and a Photon Thruster with Tank Hunters will do a decent job against Medusas, the Phosphex bombs can beat up QuadMortars and a complement of Krakens can and has downed two Medusae a turn handily.
For the Legions, drop pod AT. You have plenty, and as long as you have (Slightly BS at times) T1 reliable deepstrike you may as well use it.

>>50857781
Just beware interceptor in the quad mortars with shattet shells via and ic eith a scanner. It wont kill the leviathan but will probably force snap shots.

>>50853387
>Lightning fighters are pretty much always going to be nice, but equipping them is a conundrum. At least one equipped with Kraken is a given, but would only 4 missiles be better? They are very expensive, and odds are they aren't lasting very long even with IWND.
Definitely only go with four missiles. They come in, they blow their load (and snap shot the Lascannon), and then they jink and fly off the board. Their goal is to do more than 230 points of damage with those four missiles (or to knock out a transport that facilitates more than 230 points of damage) so that their trade up in point cost. When they come back on they might tickle something with the Lascannon or draw fire a bit, but at that point their job is done. It's basically just a one-turn delivery mechanism which is why making sure they arrive on the turn you want them to is so vital - it's the only turn they're going to do anything.

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how many of you guys joined the me in resistance for da empraah with a new not-warhound ?

>>50857280
anything below 10k men is skirmish

>>50858142
OK then, so toss the TH and SR upgrades on, but not the defensive ones? The main use I'd have for mine is torching Land Raiders, Spartans and Artillery batteries, and I think it should do that quite well with one salvo.
Turns out getting loads of reserve manipulation is kind of a given with armoured Reductor, since the Archimandrite and the Scouting Macrocarid give 2+ rerollable together.

Do they work decent as anti-air? I see a couple Storm Eagles, Fire Raptors and Dreadclaws, but I struggle to fit AA in my list without dedicated units, and everything is so pricy in his I can't really dedicate a unit to possibly non-existent aircraft.

>>50857668

It's great fun to run it if you have the models, but I wouldn't buy models *to build* Drop Assault Vanguard. With the special rules only kicking in on specific turn numbers, you're locked into one very specific playstyle that's too easy to counter. It's great fun to play, but you don't want to play that and only that as it's very predictable.

I've been experimenting with threat overload in a Recon Company army - three squads of Recons in carapace armour with Meltabombs and 3 maxed Terror Squads all Infiltrate and are all scary up close, with 2 big squads of either Assault Marines or Raptors with attached Vigilators for Scout, which coupled with Cameleoline on the Vigilator and From The Shadows gives them guaranteed 2+ cover in the open on turn 1. I haven't had a chance to test it properly as all my test games have been against Horus, who kind of ruins the party because the list *hates* going second, but I have faith that it'll pull through and be really scary when we have enough points to play 3k without our Primarchs (though Curze is great, obviously, giving automatic Night Fight for army-wide 2+ on turn 1).

>>50858161
I'll just wait for a recaster to do it.

>>50858407
if you send it yourself it clones it x2 for free to you, and send you back the original

>>50858161
I keep seeing that fire bale thing atop the regular Knight, but is it available as an actual bit from a kit or 3rd party? I would really like one.

>>50857215
>>50857235
>>50857253
>>50857308

doesnt look that good and is non-existant here.
i cant see a 3K army work around that

>>50858446
Why would I ever need more than 1?

>>50858366

>recons

Homey shit. That actually sounds awesome.

>>50858606
Do you know how much you can resell perfect cast on ebay ?>>50858607

>>50858649
Unlike you, I'm not a shitbag.

>>50858714
Yeah don't want other anons bitching about how their Mortarion, which was purchased from a shady seller at 75% off, turned out to be a recast and it morally hurted them so much they couldn't sleep. :^)

>>50858778
No idea why you're being oddly specific, but ok.

>>50858192
[citation needed]

>>50858807
Because exactly that happened in one been spammed in like five of these threads.

It was kind of beautiful. Watching some guy boast about his half price mortarion turn into recast bitching.

>>50858976
People who buy models off ebay deserve to be scammed. If you're gonna buy recasts at least buy them from the source. If you can't be bothered to do that, then buy from FW.

>>50858366
>with Meltabomb
no point in buying squad meltabombs anymore, new faq nerf'd it to only one per phase can be used

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Got a new compressor for xmas so i went and did the purple on everything. Whatre you guys working on on the day off?

>>50858366

After looking at it, I'm a little sad that I can't take Termies, but I do really like the scout army idea. Really fits the NL Batman theme.

>>50858993

It's hilarious because they don't know how to buy from the good recasters and nobody will help them.

>>50853337
>We'll have to suffer more Khayon
>No more based Zaraphiston or Ygethmor
>Just Gayon until the end of time

So seeing as the DarkMech of the Heresy are a bit less openly mental unless they're literally looting the forbidden vaults of Mars, how Heretek can I get? Is it just non-standard equipment, or can I scatter a couple small Chaos stars around or make my Magos a bit daemonic with mecha-tentacles or something?

Also, when was the more"normal"equipment for the Traitor Legions made? Could I mount Havoc Launchers as missiles, use Hellblade fighters as Xana or some daemon engine carapace with a few less spikes to armour my Arlatax?

At what point did loyalist marines become way more hardcore than the traitors and learn to know no fear?

Merry Christmas, /HHG/. Here's to this thread getting archived because we will be too drunk to create a new oen.

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>>50857853
>Try Double-Dynat Pod Leviathan with a S9 AP0 18" triple shot Melta gun each plus two AP1 Saboteurs.

That ... that sounds painfull.

>>50860162
When they, unlike the thinbloods, realised the horror that waits for them in death.

>>50859325
nice, which one did you get ?

>>50860162
when the legions were broken up, it became much easier to substain the needs of chapters in manpower, meaning they would now take only the very finest their homeworld had to offer, also they probably did some tinkering with the whole "psycho-endoctrination" process, cuz if half the marines of the imperium went traitor there was clearly a problem somewhere

>>50860366
badger aspire pro

>>50860162
Faith.

>>50853506
So did FW

Merry Christmas anons!

May the emperor provide all that reason you've been wishing for all year long.

May your paints be thin and smooth, just like saint Duncan wants them.

May your dice roll true and your plasma never get hot.

Finally, may AWG neck himself for "muh ancestors" and to give us all a Christmas miracle.

Enjoy your meals and don't end up too hungover!

I want to convert some weapon teams for a militia army, but I want them to be a single guy instead of two, what size base should I be using?

>>50861223
>teams
>single
To answer your question, probably the standard base size for weapon teams. I think they're 60mm?

halp me elegan/tg/entlemen!
got two Calth sets coming and am debating my chinacast order!

option 1: Sons of Horus
Praetor
Combiwpn, Paragon Blade

3x Legion Tactical
Sarge w' art, meltabombs, power wpn
Legion Tactical
Sarge w' art, power wpn

Contemptor
Havoc, Ass cannon / muiltimelta

Contemptor
Havoc, 2x multi

Contemptor
Havoc, 2x multi

Cataphractii
(10), 9x power fists, 2x Reaper

Heavy Support
(10), missile launchers

or some Iron Warriors
Praetor
Cataphractii, combiwpn, paragon

4x Legion Tactical
Sarge w' art, meltabombs, power wpn

Contemptor: 2x ass cannon, Havoc

Iron Havoc
(10), Missile lncr

5 Siege Terms
5 Siege Terms

what d'you think?

Just posting my armylist for an upcoming campaign battle against Ultramarines, just in case there are some glaring weaknessess that I missed. Because anything but glorious, complere slaughter of those ultrafags is a failure.

~Recon Company~ 2500 points
Armillus Dynat
Saboteur - lightningclaw, combi-melta, powerdagger

Contemptor - chainfist, DCCW, inbuilt meltaguns
3 laser destroyer array rapiers
10 veterans - 2 melta's, 2 powerswords, sergant with powerfist, combi-melta, powerdagger, artificer - Rhino
10 veterans - 2 melta's, 2 powerswords, sergant with powerfist, combi-melta, powerdagger, artificer - Rhino

5 recon marines - meltabombs
5 recon marines - meltabombs
5 recon marines - meltabombs
9 tactical support - plasma guns, powerdagger, meltabomb - Rhino

Dreadclaw
9 Seekers
3 Landspeeder Javelin - 6 hunter-killer missiles.

I'm worried it might be light on anti-infantry.

>>50861202
Come on, anon, this is a time for happy wishes. Merry christmas :)

I've been tempted to do some sort of annotated HH for years, because the only thing close to it in the community is After Ullanor, and they're imbeciles.

Thing is, just getting past even the first few chapters of Horus Rising is a task as they're packed with stuff, and it'd probably be boring as fuck for anyone not as sad as me about literary references and techniques. Maybe I should just do a tierlist of literary worth and watch people get rustled that Prospero Burns is quantitively the best-crafted work in the series.

/blogpost

>>50861538
>*wet leopard growl*
>*wet. leopard. growl.*

>>50861538

It's funny, because I've been thinking of doing the same thing myself. After Ullanor is long on giving every single painful inch of the story a go-over and short on actually digging into the books and analyzing/deconstructing them. Problem is that I'm useless at recording and I'd be too much of a lore nazi/fluff bunny for most people, and later on would spend most of my time bitching about pointless changes.

>>50861561
Exactly. I mean, I could explain what a kenning is, why the book uses so many epithets, and how clever a choice it was from a strictly craft point of view, but will that change that people were fucking sick of having to read that phrase two dozen times? Nope.
I mean, I did say literary worth, not overall ease of reading. Though a literary tier list wouldn't be massively different from the general hive-mind tier-list, I think the only ones placing at the top that people might argue about strongly would be PB and Nemesis.
>>50861640
I'd offer to collaborate if I had any actual idea how to proceed and any inclination that the effort would be worth it beyond scratching an itch or just annoying people.

>>50861749

Being able to talk about the Heresy in more depth both in fluff and models and perhaps giving people some food for thought by listening to what we have to say would be totally worth it in my book.

I have always felt as a veteran of the /FoWg/ back before 30k tempted me back to GW, that we could and should do a podcast of our own. We have a few people here of skill who could be brought in on it, I've been trying to teach myself recording and maybe there's someone here more skilled who could help. Of course we're far more chaotic than the FoW People and don't have the same trust in namefags like the ones who make their podcast, though it would be hilarious to actually hear Al and Knightanon in person.

>>50856326
I actually really dislike the lightning because it doesn't feel like a legion aircraft, ya know? It feels like it should be in an allied detachment.

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I have the beginning of a Siege of Terra themed WEs army that I've been working on in the background forever, but decided that I also want to do an army of Afrikakorps themed Iron Warrior tonks. I am considering doing the IWs as allies for the WEs, can anyone give me some ideas to make them work together?

>>50861982
>doesn't feel like a legion vehicle

But the Malcador does?

Anybody here play the SW? I'm trying to get some inspiration for my own dudes. I'm planning on doing them up with most of them having some sort of firearm/ccw combination and I'd also like to get some ideas of how to 'dress' them up to straddle the wolf line between the realms of yiffs and vikings in space. If nobody here, then maybe some other places to check. I already know a few, but 2 repeat and 1 new recomendations is still 1 new one.

Rolled 2, 2, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 2, 1, 2, 2, 1, 1, 2, 2, 2, 2, 2, 1, 2, 2, 1, 1, 2, 1 = 38 (25d2)