/hhg/ - Horus Heresy General

1st for muh victory

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First for best Legion

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Third for Archmagos Bitzbox Caul.

I think his bottom half plus a regular 30K Dominus and some other stuff would make a good Scoria, and leave lots of parts behind for conversions. Benefit of a model that busy is he's fiddly but fun to paint once, you only need one, and then a second one can fuel my mad Archmagos' experiments for ages.

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>>50828666
Commendable bread, anon! And good memes have been posted as of late.

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nth for Pepe's legion

>>50828787
> B e l i s a r i u s

>>50828839
>Worst meme
>Worst legion
Checks out.

How is this for a 1000 point Sons of Horus list? Campaign starts at 1k and builds up to 2500-3000 points, must keep the same rite of war throughout.

HQ

Centurion Delegatus with Artificer Armour, Charnabal Sabre, Jump Pack, and Power Fist
Rite of War: The Long March

Elites

2x Legion Apothecary with Jump Pack, Power Sword

Contemptor with Havoc Launcher, 2x Kheres Pattern Assault Cannon

Troops

Legion Assault Squad
10x Marines
Sergeant Artificer Armour, Power Fist

Legion Assault Squad
10x Marines
Sergeant Artificer Armour, Power Fist

Heavy Support

Scorpius

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Finished the first bit of my Thousand sons army

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>>50828666
Best primarch, best legion.

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>>50828858

>>50828900
Look alright, i would say make the contemptor a contemptor-mortis. It'd be cheaper and be able to deal with Anti-Air. Of course if there is a fluff reason then dont worry about. Other than just be careful with your assault squads

>>50828900
Do sergeants really need so much bling at 1k?
Boys over toys.

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>>50828787
>>50828936
As posted in 40k general, I'm thinking a Ludwig sort of thing. Run him as an archmagos with a paragon blade. I like your idea of using the FW dominus, think I might use pic related as a basis for the top half.

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>>50828998

>>50828930
Looks amazing, pal.

Even your photo box.

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>>50829108

Thank god Ward never got a say about 30k smurfs, didn't get to ruin them

>>50829072
Hey, that's nice, but I feel the FW dominus will still need some modification, since he's carrying all the wrong guns. I think strapping two holstered pistols to his side/s, adding a few more servo-arms or tentacles and changing the head of the axe out for something necrony would work quite well, especially if you built an inferno pistol into one of them. The book under the foot is nice as well. Make a fancy rocky base for him like your pic, and that works extremely well.

Assuming Cawl is about £40, that might work well, and get me a Primarch for a similar cost to an actual Primarch, less if I can get the Dominus' body and head separate.

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>>50828998
>>50829108

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>>50829195

>>50829048
Dropping the armor and fist only adds two guys per squad. No melta bombs on anybody so relying on the contemptor or the scorpius to get to the squishy bits inside worries me

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>>50829185
>Assuming Cawl is about £40
I think your being optimistic.
Consider that the standard GW dominus is £22.
Now consider how this guy is easily three times his size, with at least five time the bits.
I reckon we'd be lucky to see him at £60 at a minimum.

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>>50829272
I just realised that the FW dominus is the same price as the GW one.

>>50829272
Eh, probably true. Def. going to get one of him since he'll look good leading my War Convocation, but a second will probably wait a while. Hopefully he'll be available on the internet retailers for 20% off, at least.
I have several ideas for making Scoria that range from understated to properly mental. This one is definitely towards the latter.
Although of I do do him that way I may go ahead with my idea of making a personal Baneblade for him, with a pimp platform on the back hull for him to stand and be awesome.

>>50829353
The GW one is way cooler though

>>50829272
Yeah, but on the other hand, for example, the plastic BA terminator captain is £20, and he's much smaller than the dominus.

>>50829616
That's my hand, not the other one! He's even smaller and he's still pricey as hell. The more expensive a small character is the more rediculously expensive Belisarius 'Bitzbox' Cawl Mc'Huge is gonna end up.

>>50828900
How many points is it so far?
The sabre seems like a waste

>>50829353
The FW inte is not really that great looking to begin with.

>>50829506
And basically free with the Start Collecting box.

Finished MoM. Is ending when Emprah summon ghost army to massacre daemons, and victims of Istvaan and Ferrus are present mean that Emperor indeed protect?

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>>50829730
The dominus is way bigger than a terminator, even on a larger base, yet the price difference is £2.

>>50829897
No, that's His stand
>>50829784
>The sabre seems like a waste
>...Anonymous
>12/22/16(Thu)18:09:47 No.50829836
>>>50829353 #
>The FW inte is not really that great looking to begin with.
Not that guy, but I think the new FAQ said you get rules for a weapon you hold yet not use. Not saying he gains +1i since Unwieldy cancels it out, but if he were wielding a power sword.

>>50829978
Actually your right I was thinking about your point in the wrong direction.
But I still think the odds are that GW will gouge for Belisarius.

>>50829897
Is he like Alucard from Hellsing, where he commands all the souls he has consumed?

Ghost armies are nothing new. 6e rulebook mentions the Year of the Ghosts, when the honored dead rose as vengeful spirits to fight back the forces of Chaos.

Why are smurf players all redditors?

>>50830028
Define redditor.

>>50829837

Is anything else in the start collecting box really useable in 30k?

>>50830076
Ultramarine

>>50830095
Not really. Skitarii could work as thralls with some conversions, but the dunecrawler is not really 30k.

>>50830095
if I were to play mechanicum I'd probably use skitarii as counts-as thralls because I like the ranger models. so I mean those would be nice.

>>50830193
>>50830196

If I took kastellan and left off their stupid fucking heads, would you hate me for using them as castellax?

its not that crazy, kastellan were in MoM

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Finished finally

>>50830222
Wargame Exclusive sells alternative kastellan heads. Maybe add some other stuff, like a servo-skull on the torso, more prominent shoulder pads, etc. You can keep the arms and mount cut-off barrels from the gun arms into the palms for bolters. Multi-melta, some techno-blaster or a beefed up heavy bolter on the shoulder mount should work as the various gun options.

>>50830193
>the dunecrawler is not really 30k.
Boooooo! Arkhan had invented the MULE already and the Onager came not too long after.
Gimme crabtanks.

>>50830222
I'd be fine with it, up until you brought up MoM.

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Why does this fanbase keep turning the primarchs into cute anime girls, and why is it so awesome?

>>50830319

The mechanicum stuff in MoM was fine though

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>>50830398
Why do you keep doing this? Go back to raping people in their dreams.

>>50830222
You'll still get made fun of for how they look, even without the head covers. But yeah, it's fine.

>>50830193
>>50830196
Skitarii are fine now, but they're likely to be brought into 30k as titan legion skitarii - at which point it'll be a little confusing to use them as something different. But we don't really know. I like them too, and wouldn't mind seeing them used as thralls.

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>>50830445
Because fem-Corax is fucking adorable, probably.

>>50828666
>/hhg/
whenever i see this in the catalog
>horse horsey general

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>>50830544
No I think it's because you haven't gone to therapy yet.
>mfw fem-Fulgrim still has the biggest rack out of them in that pic
All is right with the world. Out of curiosity is this made by the guy who did that other picture you post a lot?

>>50830193
>Not really.
By RAW, no, but both were obviously in action during 30k.

>>50830304
And Army used Rhinos and Land Raiders. We all have things we want but can't have.

>>50830446
Modify the skitarii, of course. Just saying that Mechanicum cyborgs are Mechanicum cybords. Give them alternative heads (maybe something from the DE line with face masks) paint them with brass armour and maybe modify the radium carbines into short lasguns for laslocks. Maybe tone down the backpacks from excess cables, antennas and optics into very simple power packs.

>>50830606
No. And whether I go to therapy or not, Cora a cute.

>>50830693
You should still do it.

>>50830667
They don't work RAI either, unless you can show intent for Dunecrawlers in the game right now. Maybe as the thanatar, but that's one hell of a proxy, if I may say so.

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>>50830398

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>>50830398
>>50830544

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>>50830398
>Dorn
>Smiling

>>50830398
I only like it because i like warhammer high. Other than that i have problems imagining the 3 meter tall develish looking children burning total bro vulkan the man as a little girl.

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>>50830829

>>50830829
That smie makes her tense her muscles in her cheeks, thus fortifying her face.

>>50829897
If you ever believed there was doubt as to the Emperor's divine interventions in the first place, well oops, the lore is going further and further into making it all true.

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>>50830398
>>50830544
If you want to do it,do it right.

>>50830722
>unless you can show intent for Dunecrawlers in the game right now
What intent? dunecrawler's a pre-heresy design. Skitarii are pre great crusade.

I mean, it's the same idea as the Hunter and every chimera chassis vehicle. They're present in the time period, forgeworld just didn't include them for whatever reason.

>>50830891
My problem with this shit is that i like mystery and when black library starts explaining all the shit and do it badly it just turns me off.
I dont wonna know if its luck or divine intervention, leave that in the middle, makes it more interesting to me.

>>50830904

Those designs were a first go, and in some cases do really come close to reflecting each primarch. There's always room for improvement.

>>50830904
Yay, im not the only one who still remebers whh.

Do you think they'll ever make Dark Mechanicus models?

I want some techno-horrors that aren't robot dinosaurs.

>>50830288
This is the kind of Death Guard I like, where the white looks like the porcelain of a well-used urinal.

Much prefer it to those overly smeary and gungy DG you see all the time.

>>50830910
I still find it odd Skitarii aren't listed as one of the armies the mechanicum has in 30k. Their lore is that they have been the go-to soldiers for the techpriests for eternity and infantry support of Titans, and yet all we have in 30k is cybernetica or ordos tonks.

>>50830910
>What intent?

You do know what RAW and RAI mean, right?

>forgeworld just didn't include them for whatever reason.

Hunter uses the Rhino, which is in the game and Chimera chassis is used, for example, by the Legion artillery vehicles.

>>50830952
I hope so, but fw seems to like their tentacles on their mechanicus stuff so they're going in the right direction.

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Also I'm still waiting for someone to make a fic of (pic related) with Freya Doming Miranda

>>50830938

whh is kind of a shitty name, pd is a lot better as it allows it to be more then just a high school sol drabble. The really interesting stuff is never addressed anyway.

>>50830398
>>50830544
>>50830904
We have the whole female primarch thing going, but the legions weren't always the same as their respective primarch in personality/mentality. So, who would want the female version of their legion?

>>50831034
>VIII Legion full of cute thicc goth grils
Fuck yeah I'd want it.

>>50831100

But girls aren't as good at scaring people shitless as men are.

How many Slasher Villains are girls?

>>50831031
Im sorry but what does pd stand for and what interesting stuff isnt even adressed?

>>50830986
You do understand why I specified RAW, right?

>Hunter uses the Rhino, which is in the game
But the hunter itself isn't, and the hunter is a pre-heresy design.

>and Chimera chassis is used, for example, by the Legion artillery vehicles
And literally no where else. The dedicated transports of the auxilia is the dracosan. The dedicated transport of the imperial army is the mother fucking GORGON.

militia can only use towed guns
solar auxilia artillery pieces are stuck on the russ chassis because of reasons

There's a ton of strange omissions in what the forgeworld books include. Skitarii being the most notable because of how large a part the mechanicus plays in things during the heresy.

By all rights they SHOULD be allowed in 30k, but in the books it's like they don't exist.

>>50831152
It would have been cool if there had been more of a crossover in units and special rules for the mechanicum between 30 and 40k since that faction should have maintained some of its technological wonders. It would've been nice to see them as more of a faction that changed slightly rather then two complete difdrent onces imo.

>>50831146

PD: Primarch's Daughters. The focus shouldn't be a High School, it should be the lives of the Primarch's Daughters and their struggles. The bloody cut-throat nature of politics, the squabbles the Primarchs have with one another, the problems of actually managing the Imperium and teaching the Daughters how to take up that burden, and of course a bit of good-old-fashioned 40k bolter porn. The closest analogy I can come up with is this:

https://forums.spacebattles.com/threads/lovehammer-the-grimdark-edition-sailor-moon-warhammer-40k.237644/

This takes two things that seem like they could never mix, and creates something that is legitimately compelling out of the idea. That is what PD should have been from the beginning, instead of the rather angsty sappy stories we've gotten thus far.

PD is well due for a reboot anyway. I hope we'd get something far closer to canon with the story next time.

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>>50831152
You'd almost start to suspect FW choosing unit entries in such a way that it only promotes buying FW kits

>>50831204

40k Mechanicum should still have Tech-Thralls, the Tanks and the Myrmidons. They are sorely missed in 40k.

>>50831114
How many yanderes are guys?

>>50831212
really fires up your neurons

Yeah, it's obvious enough. Only really a problem if you play against people who get autistic about RAW and don't give a shit about the setting, but having to houserule stuff in is a pain in the ass sometimes.

>>50831229
You'd be surprised...

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>>50826211

>thought of proxying myrmidon destructors with kataphrons for economic reasons

>realized they're the same price anyway

>>50830398
Fem-Khan and Corax make me feel funny

>>50831206
Thats your vision mate. I love the silly take on warhammer stuff because the canon is so grimdark. The grimdark stuff from whh is some of the best it got to ofder though so i guess i'd be interested if somebody made something from your idea.

>>50831152
>You do understand why I specified RAW, right?

The alternative to which is RAI, right? If you just wanted to say "there's no rules for the unit" then just say that.

>the hunter is a pre-heresy design.

Where does it say this, by the way?

>And literally no where else.

So far. I mean, we've but scratched the surface of Army. Give it some time.

>The dedicated transports of the auxilia is the dracosan.

Because SA is FW's baby and they must have everything special to them. Also, their rifle squads are 20 models minimum, so there's no way of fitting them into a Chimera.

>The dedicated transport of the imperial army is the mother fucking GORGON.

Militia is the PDF, not the Army proper.

>solar auxilia artillery pieces are stuck on the russ chassis because of reasons

Colossus in 40k also is on a Russ chassis. It's probably because the SA need a sealed environment vehicle and the larger Russ chassis allows the gun to be internal and have the tank sealed from hostile environment.

Also, because FW needs to sell new models.

>in the books it's like they don't exist.

It's almost as if they were pushing their own shit over GW stuff.

>>50831353
Got a thing for the fast ones, I see.

>>50830288
It's in the shadow, I cant see anything

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>>50831425

>>50831100
>a legion of thicc cute goth girls
I don't need it. I don't need it.

>>50831503
You better not. I sure as hell don't want DA scum anywhere near my legion.

>>50831561

Tell that to Curze's snapped back.

>>50831380
>The alternative to which is RAI, right?
No? It's not a sliding scale of RAW-RAI. I'm sure you know the meaning of the acronym, but when I use RAW I am literally saying Rules As Written. RAW, there is no way to use things like skitarii in 30k. You have to houserule it. That is literally my entire point in >>50830667

>Where does it say this, by the way?
Ye olde original horus heresy battle game. Epic, yo. Or rather, proto-epic when they started adding flyers to the game.

>So far.
>Also, because FW needs to sell new models.
and we're only what, seven books (plus four army specific books) in? You'd think they'd try to future-proof the red books a little.

>>50831561
I mean they were already close enough to break your legion as a cohesive fighting force and capture your primarch

>>50831569
Shut the fuck up before I snap YOUR back.

>>50831588
>using RAW for "doesn't have rules at all"

That's not how you use that.

>>50831615
according to the written rules of the forgeworld's warhammer 30,000 horus heresy 28mm strategy battle game, you cannot use skitarii in your armies

is that better for you?

>>50831637

Well they make good stand in models for tech thralls. They aren't representing skitarii per se

>>50831637
There is no rule written that says there's no rules for skitarii. There's just no rules. Just like there's no rules for xenos. It's not a matter of RAW.

RAW is when you have something like 4e rapid fire rules, which, according to the wording of the rule, made charging after firing any weapon impossible, if the model had a rapid fire weapon. So even if the model had a bolter and a bolt pistol, and it fired the pistol, it could not assault. But naturally that was not the intention of the rules (aka. RAI).

You are literally the first person I've seen using RAW out of this context.

>>50831609
What would be a good name to remember the time the Lion broke Curze's back inside a mountain ...

What about ... brokeback mountain :^)

>>50831723
At least my legion admits to its treachery.

>>50831774
Whats left of it

>>50831718
>There is no rule written that says there's no rules for skitarii
If you are playing 30k RAW, you can not use them.

The REASON you cannot use them by RAW is because they have no rules. The absence of a "no skittle allowed" rule doesn't change what is and isn't allowed in the age of darkness rules.

RAW, you can't use 40k units in 30k, outside of specific exceptions (chaos daemons are the only case, I believe).

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also now that I actually look at the age of darkness rules, there actually is a "no 40k allowed" rule

So yes, it is completely correct to say that RAW you can't use skitarii in the age of darkness expansion. Fuck you I'm right and you're wrong. .

>>50831877
Doesn't say 40k units aren't allowed. It only mentions factions.

Rekt.

>>50831821
How is it RAW when there's no written rules?

>RAW, you can't use 40k units in 30k

Do provide a written quote to that effect then. Can't? So how is it RAW? RAW needs an actual written rule, not an absence of rules.

>>50831877
>Formations, detachments, factions, missions and tactical objectives
Not seeing "models" anywhere on there, champ

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>>50831918
>>50831903
Faction is the key word. Notice how it's been capitalized, as it's actually part of the base game's rules.

Warhammer 40,000 Factions are not used in Age of Darkness games (and vice versa). RAW.

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Calling Calth a Smurf victory when they took these kinds of losses then had the ruinstorm/shadow crusade is Girlyman propaganda

>>50832013
Daemons can be used with their 40k rules.

>>50832052
As a specific, written exception to the base Age of Darkness rules, yes.

>>50832013
But he's just using Skitarii as tech-thralls, and no matter how hard that triggers your autism there is no rule that prevents that.

>>50832069
That isn't what's triggered me. What triggered me is someone going autism on my use of an acronym to say skitarii have no 30k rules.

So I played my own autism card and found the written rule that shows I used RAW perfectly accurately in my original statement.

>>50832069
Best part is that the whole argument started from the dunecrawler, not skitarii.

>>50832117
So autist that you had to move a lot of goalposts to achieve it. Nobody said anything about the Skitarii faction, only that the Dunecrawler isn't in 30k rules.

Your "no 40k allowed" rule falls apart when you consider Daemons are allowed, as are plenty of flyers and LoW choices, and a ton of, for example Legion units from from 40k. Yet no Dunecrawler in any way. Even the dominus, kastellans, kataphron and skitarii have uses with a bit of converting. But not the Dunecrawler.

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Enough of this autism. Post tanks. All of your tonks now.

>>50832221
But the only tanks I have a transports and unpainted yet, because I prefer muh infantry

>>50832320
Transports are good too. Let's see if you did goof on the assembly.

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>>50832221
fuck you I'm mad and going plaid autism

>>50832185
>So autist that you had to move a lot of goalposts to achieve it.
nah, let's dissect this conversation. You'll notice I was never talking about only skitarii, but the multitude of things overlooked by FW's arbitrary army lists and unit choices.

>>By RAW, no, but both were obviously in action during 30k.
>They don't work RAI either, unless you can show intent for Dunecrawlers in the game right now.
>>What intent? dunecrawler's a pre-heresy design. Skitarii are pre great crusade.
>You do know what RAW and RAI mean, right?
>>You do understand why I specified RAW, right?
>The alternative to which is RAI, right? If you just wanted to say "there's no rules for the unit" then just say that.
>>No? It's not a sliding scale of RAW-RAI. I'm sure you know the meaning of the acronym, but when I use RAW I am literally saying Rules As Written. RAW, there is no way to use things like skitarii in 30k.
>That's not how you use that.

So I found the RAW that shows that yes, that is exactly how you use that.

>Your "no 40k allowed" rule falls apart when you consider Daemons are allowed, as are plenty of flyers and LoW choices, and a ton of, for example Legion units from from 40k
No? They are (in the case of daemons) a written exception, or (in the case of everything else) literally part of an Age of Darkness army list. Which is why they did two separate profiles for the custodes and sisters of silence, one for Warhammer 40,000 and one for Age of Darkness.

>Yet no Dunecrawler in any way.
Because, like the chimera, or the skitarii, or the hunter, or whatever other timeline-appropriate unit you can think of, forgeworld decided not to include them in their Age of Darkness rules. Not because they didn't exist in the 31st millennium.

No goalposts moved. Answered all your weird bullshit claims and gave you the written rule you wanted. You wanted to be autistic and I decided I wanted to be more autistic but also correct.

>>50832221

My legion list became more and more tonk as the mechanicum in my store proliferated. I have 90 power armor marines and use maybe 30 in a list at a time, sort of disappointing.

That being said tonk spam is fun

>>50832043
It was a victory though.
They were supposed to be wiped out but ended up winning and shaping the future of the Imperium.

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I'm just gonna post more fem-primarchs until the autism in here clears up

When will the Horus Heresy be renamed the Magnus Mistake?
Horus was irrelevant since the webway was breached by Magnus.

>>50832550
>Horus did nothing wrong
yes please

>>50832467
>No goalposts moved.

Except the whole thing was about Dunecrawlers being in 30k rules, but suddenly you decided to turn it into Skitarii and now everything else.

Keep moving that goalpost, autismo, till ya RAW.

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>>50832467
>fuck you I'm mad and going plaid autism
You're a horrible human being.

>>50832581
I would like to point out, this has been used on two people in two days- people who are not me.
And I have been posting.
(That other dude with the trip was using the wrong one. You got baited. I thought you made a meme with my trip anyways?)

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>>50832664
Please just stop.

And here I thought this thread couldn't get worse.

>>50829986
I was hoping there was a way to get an i2 powerfist

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>>50832581
I accept it.

>>50832572
>Except the whole thing was about Dunecrawlers being in 30k rules
You didn't read my post, or any of the posts in this chain, but that's fine. It's a lot of text, and reading is hard when you just want to start arguments.

This conversation started from someone asking if they could use the contents of Start Collecting! Skitarii in 30k.

>Is anything else in the start collecting box really useable in 30k?
>>Not really. Skitarii could work as thralls with some conversions, but the dunecrawler is not really 30k.
>>>By RAW, no, but both were obviously in action during 30k
>both
>>>>They don't work RAI either, unless you can show intent for Dunecrawlers in the game right now.
How sudden indeed. So suddenly, in fact, that it was so from the very start! I had moved the goalposts so quickly that it was done before someone got autistic about dunecrawlers in 30k!

Kill yourself.

>>50832740

It's two days before Christmas. It's going to be funposting central until Christmas, when we get to show off all the shit we're given. And then back to normal until February and Inferno madness.

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>>50833047

>mfw knowing I'll have nothing to show off

>>50833075

You and me both. But I'm getting about $400 from all my family, so in the new year I'm going to splash out on some Resin goodness.

>‘You’d be surprised at how little a man like that wants to meet his gods.’ Arrian scratched his chin. ‘We caught him trying to cut the bomb out a few months ago. He’d got all the way to the meat by the time we stopped him.’

>Oleander laughed. Saqqara had been attempting to remove the chem-bomb Bile had surgically implanted between his hearts for years. When the bomb went off– it wasn’t a question of if– Saqqara’s body would be reduced to bubbling protoplasm. It was the most obvious of the modifications Bile had made to the Word Bearer. The Chief Apothecary claimed to have implanted a thousand and one contingencies into his most reluctant servant. Saqqara occupied himself trying to discover them

STOP BULLYING WORD BEARERS.

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>>50833129
You're asking the impossible here, Anon. Also source?

>>50833075
>>50833105
>tfw Black Templars might get attention
>All my HH projects are on hold

I wanted two Eddie-noughts with lascannons, now Im not sure. I should be happy but Im also sad and anxious, January is gonna be wild.

Newfag here
Can someone explain me who is carnac?

>>50833220
Thou should not invoke his name, lest it is summonend. This bread is bad enough as it is.

>>50833220
A legendary daemon from the before the dawn of creation.

>>50832221
>tfw I footslog because I haven't gotten around to assembling the transports yet

>>50832798
I've been here all this time, replying to your posts. I'm fully aware of the conversation and your backpedaling and shifting of the goalpost.

>>50833220
Nice digits. To answer your question go look in the archives.

God, how long till Inferno? I just want to know my legion rules and RoWs, so I'll know what to get next. I've gotten everything I wanted, now I'm just sitting on my hands, unable to expand without knowing how the rules and RoWs will affect things.

>>50833332
>Inferno delayed yet again
>2018 release date

>>50833281
>bereft of anything to say, he attacks a nebulous, undefined target in an attempt to assuage his guilt at being bested in the autism joust

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>>50833332
Nice quads. The answer? 2 more months.

>>50833349
>>50833360
Don't be so optimistic, anons ! Others might get hyped and set up for disappointment !

>>50833355
I've never talked about anything other than the Dunecrawler and your misuse of "RAW". Whatever you thought is no fault of mine, so stay buttRAW.

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>>50833349
>Inferno delayed yet again
>tfw you remember when Prospero was going to be published after the Istvaan trilogy.

What are good novels to get a good idea about the Iron Warriors? Started them as my Legion because I like their base attitude and character (being all bitter and twisted, feeling just generally unappreciated) but I realized of all the Heresy novels I've read none have had the Iron Warrios in them at all. Beast Arises Iron Warriors are what sold me on them.

>>50833524

You know that feeling you had when you realized the iron warriors don't have any novels?

That's the right kind of bitterness that iron warriors feel.

Welcome to the legion, iron within iron without.

>>50833524
Angel Exterminatus, then read Storm of Iron. Both by Graham Mcneil, its a great characterization of the legion and the primarch and how they have devolved after the Heresy.

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>>50833557
Oh you dumb diet Imperial Fist. What is Angel Exterminatus?

>>50833349
>>50833506
Any sources about inferno delayed?

>>50833497
>I've never talked about anything other than the Dunecrawler and your misuse of "RAW".
And as has been established you demanded intent for the dunecrawler to be used in 30k, which was given (it is a pre-heresy design). It's also been established that I used RAW perfectly correctly (Warhammer 40,000 Factions are not used in the Age of Darkness ruleset).

Nothing else to say, really. Do you want the last word? I can give you that much.

>>50833598

It's a joke, guy.

any of my niggas here got instruction for the leviathan

>>50833636
>still doesn't understand RAW vs. RAI
>just had to be autistic for the sake of being autistic, because somebody said you didn't understand something you clearly don't

There's no helping you, anon.

>>50833557
What is the whole Tallarn story arc.

>>50833659
Kill it with fire. Or chainfists, those also do the job.

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>>50833659
Only because it's the holidays.

>>50833696
you're a good dude, anon

>>50833743
You're welcome.

>>50833564

Well check'em out. Has the Tallarn battle featured in any novels? I mind reading about it and I do so love me some tonks.

Hopefully there isn't much fighting, I just want to read Astartes having chats about being Astartes.

>>50833790
Yeah there's a whole story arc about Tallarn that features shorts stories, audio dramas and novels.

>>50833790

Tallarn: Executioner, Tallarn: Ironclad, Black Occulus, The Eagle's Talon and Iron Corpses.

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>>50833790
Loads. It's even featured in adeptus titanicus, though that's probably not what you're looking for.

>>50833217
I'm doing Imperial Fists, so Black Templar stuff for conversion fodder or even better / varied Templar Brethren will be amazing.

>>50833557
Loyalist Iron Warrior stories are literally the best though. "The Iron Within" and "Pharos" specifically. Also anything with Kyr Vhalen in HH3.

I play Imperial Fists, but my next army is going to be loyalist Iron Warriors because IV + VII is the best bromance.

>>50830288
Very good, from the looks of it. Proper lighting would help though.

>>50833790
>Has the Tallarn battle featured in any novels?
There are a couple. They fucked up the foundation so I didn't bother to read them and thus don't know how good they actually are.

But it's BL, so assume crap.

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Fellblade with Armoured Ceramite + Castrmen Orth (630 points total, and Orth doesn't count as part of that so it obeys the 25% limit for 2500) or a Glaive with no upgrades (625 points) for a 2500 or 3000 point Iron Hands list?

The Fellblade seems like a nice generalist with weapons for a wide variety of threats, you get BS5/Tank Hunters from Orth, the option to hide the Warlord in 12 hull points of Fuck Off if you're not using a mandatory warlord named character or consul, and while it's good against everything and very durable it doesn't have any of those "ur guyz all ded no saves lul" guns that some other SHTs have.

The Glaive, on the other hand, would be situationally less durable (no AC), much less versatile (only BS4, no Tank Hunters, fewer guns), but the main weapon doesn't need to roll to hit, is S8 AP2 and Ignore Cover, but is narrow enough to not be as endlessly frustrating as say a Typhon. The beam can pretty much hit anything on the table that isn't behind a vehicle or building (important to define your terrain here since it can effectively hit stuff out of line of sight if it's not behind an impassable building), so I can see that being really frustrating to play against but the narrow beam width can limit how dangerous that actually is. Also, the Glaive is really cool looking. I mean, the Fellblade is cool, but the Glaive is extra cool.

I already want to do this as part of an Armoured Breakthrough list so the Glaive seems like That Guying it up too much, and the Fellblade in IH colors with a special character commanding it also feels more iconic to me.

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>>50829836
>>50829506
I love the slug dominus over the fucking inspector gadget cartoon gw dominus, you guys are plebs

>>50833349
Would legit kill myself

Inferno is the only thing in my life I'm looking forward to

>>50835648

This. 100% chance the people you're quoting are fucking faglords who use recasts and plastic BaC/BoP models anyway and actually think the plastic AdMech robots are good.

>>50835680
What's wrong with a good recast?

Anyone have or know where I can find a nice collection of different mechanicum/dark mechanicum color schemes?

>>50835648
Snail dominus is seriously lacking in the hat department. A leader without an impressive hat may as well not be a leader at all.

>>50835734
... are we looking at the same model? His entire body is a hat.

>>50835668
jesus dude get a hobby

...oh wait

>>50835749
are you blind? that's an umbrella

>>50835734
He doesn't have a hat. He IS the hat.

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I may have made a grand and beautiful mistake /hhg/
I present to you, Brother Kelger, the biggest example of Tech-Heresy I've ever converted

>>50835680
Also, what's wrong with using plastic mk III and IV? Not spending £90 for ten basic marines who manage to be lower quality than the plastic

>>50831791
Kek'd.

>>50832043
Nah, man. I'm a Word Bearer myself, but Calth was technically a Pyrrhic Victory for the Ultras. Their losses were much heavier and they suffered afterward as well, but they still managed to force the Word Bearers back and ultimately helped swing the Heresy back in the Imperium's favour. Doesn't really matter, as we're winning the Long War anyway.

>>50835734
We TF2 nao.

>>50836126
>FW resin marks are lower quality than plastic

What's wrong with it is retards like you, spouting complete bullshit. You don't even have rivets on all the parts for the Mk III.

>>50836328
Not him, but the plastic mkiv is much better than resin, both to work with and in appearance.

>>50836328
>>50836350
This. I'll take everything in resin if I have to, but at this point the plastic is cheaper, less time consuming for the same reward, easier to use and less likely to come warped and fucked up

You can wave the resin banner around as much as you like, but you aren't superior because of it

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>>50836328
Ill take the loss of detail seeing as plastic MK III is $18 free shipping on ebay for 10 marines, compared to about $90 including shipping for their resin counterparts.

>>50836768
>Ill take the loss of detail

That's irrelevant, don't fucking claim there isn't a loss of detail to begin with.

>b-but that wasn't even me

Then shut the fuck up and sit the fuck down, because the conversation started with "what's wrong with recasts" and "what's wrong with plastics" and what's wrong with them is that they are unobjectively, unequivocally inferior, and you faggots need to stop spamming complete bullshit that they aren't, or are somehow superior when they're not.

>>50828787
He would make a great Scoria by:
1. Assembling the kit as-is
2. Doubling Scorias points and making him a Lord of War

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>>50836938
>unobjectively, unequivocally inferior
While i have not worked with the prospero marines yet, Calth mkIV is better in detail, much stronger and much less likely to have miscasts and similar problems. I have made and painted 40 mkIV FW resin into EC from pre-calth days and done the same with sixty plastic mkIV Ultramarines. Not only was the detail more crisp and less likely to have glaring errors, the overall ease to work with leaves FW mkIV in the dust. The amount of bad errors in casts that i bought was awful and required a lot of time and effort to fix, even without getting into the problems with the Palatine Blades. The one which was
>unobjectively, unequivocally inferior
is the FW version. Go be a toxic hipster elsewhere or stop spouting so much shit it leaks from your ears

>>50828930
Gold recipe?

>>50836938
>you faggots need to stop spamming complete bullshit that they aren't
And you need to calm down young man.
Some batches of recasts are shit. Some, most I've acquired, are just fine.
Nobody is saying they are superior, it's a copy of the legitimate one, nothing more.

Maze of the Dead kickstarter is finally sending out the back rewards, soon I will have my own zone mortalis board.

>>50836992
Nah, he needs SOME chopping and changing. He doesn't look intimidating enough and he has all the wrong weapons, and he needs to be decluttered of some of those parts. Looks good with the 40k Mechanicus line, but it would be out of place next to the sleek Mechanicum.

Doubling his points is a bit much, I'd pay 400, but everyone forgets he's slow as hell. Just because he CAN kill Horus doesn't mean you need to immediately challenge him, and if you don't he's essentially a 13" bubble of "don't go here". Also, his army buffs are garbage if you're bringing more than two Cortex Controllers, and you should be in a Cybernetica list.

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>>50836938
>"what's wrong with plastics" and what's wrong with them is that they are unobjectively, unequivocally inferior, and you faggots need to stop spamming complete bullshit that they aren't, or are somehow superior when they're not.

Here's your (you).

>>50837554
People are retarded and love throwing all their shit at a deathstar.

Scoria is slow as shit, his only vehicle options are pricy and don't allow assaulting, and basically he is extremely predictable.

Boohoofuckinghoo why doesn't he cost like a primarch despite being massively less flexible.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x7kdDeGXUjI
>traitor legion marine fed up with his legion

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Well, 30 assault marines made from the BoP box. Had hell of a time in hunting down enough arms. Two guys are missing their backpacks, forgot one at home when dryfitting and other one is waiting for the glue on the magnet to dry.

>>50838180
>MKIII assault marines

This is like loyalist Word Bearers or traitor Custodes. You could've been a good boy and used plastic MKIV, or not been a poorfag and got some resin MKII assault marines, but no. You had to use the heaviest piece of shit armour, used by shithead legions like the Death Guard and Imperial FIsts, and strap fucking rockets to it. You could have used tried and true MKII, sleek MKIV or MKVI, or ramshackle MKV, but you picked the least aero-dynamic fuckers possible, and stuck MKVII arms on them too. I bet you'd field a full company of Panzer IVs in a WWII wargame while playing as the French because "they borrowed them" or some other shit.

There's nothing wrong with being gay, but this is like dying your hair in rainbow colors and then getting upset when you lose your job due to violating company dress code, threatening to sue them for hating on fags but then chickening out because you're secretly just banging trannies because you're afraid of real women and know your case wouldn't hold up in court.

I hope you at least play some irrelevant bitch legion like the Space Wolves, which would make it less horrible.

>>50838180

>MK III with jump packs

Prepare for the REEEEEEEEEEEEEE coming your way

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>>50838552
>>50838554
There is art of it.

>>50838578
That's MKV though.

>>50838588
Can't be. There's no crotch studs. We've been over this.

>>50838588
>No crotch studs
Not Mk.V.

>>50838606
>>50838608
The crotch isn't visible, how can you tell?

With the crossed chest cables, extra cables around the arms and legs, as well as a lack of kneepads, it's clearly derived from MKV with a Death Guard helmet. Maybe it has features from MKIV and MKVI and less studs, but it definitely isn't MKIII.

>>50838606
>>50838608

Crotch studs just means manufactured MK V. The lack of them means cobbled together MK V.

And the legs obscure the crotch plates, so it's impossible to tell. Unless the studs were obscenely large.

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>>50838691
>>50838714
Nope. Nope. Not going to get involved with armor autism. It's 99% always mk3 and mk5 that causes it. The only autism I've seen that rivals it is plane autism and the senran kagura general.

>>50838734
The words of a beaten man who knows he is wrong, but isn't tough enough to own up to it.

>>50838734
I think the reason why MK V triggers autism so easily is because it's like the hooker of all armour marks : it can be whatever you want it to be.

>>50838785
I'm wrong alright? Happy?
>>50838791
>is because it's like the hooker of all armour marks : it can be whatever you want it to be.
That does explain the crotch studs.

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>>50838578
>doesn't recognize MkIV with MkIII helmet

Anon, please.

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>>50838791
This shit needs to end. You people have no hard evidence.

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>>50838920
I want a melta to the face.

Speaking of assault marines, any 3rd party that makes MkIV style single engine jump packs?

>>50839137
No, but the Blood Angels golden nipple guard got some plastice ones.

I've discovered some disturbing racial undertones from our very own ADB.

>Pre ADB Emperor
>Cares about his children
>Powerful and loving
>Is white

>Post ADB Emperor
>Doesn't care about his children
>Weak and kills his uncle in cold blood
>Is black

ADB? More like KKKDB.

Help me elegan/tg/ents!
Got a pair of Calth boxes coming in a trade; am tempted with either Luna Wolves or Iron Warriors
With the lack of tanks, can a viable 2k list be made?
Iron Warriors would need alot of head replacements, prospero marines come with spares so may get a dozen or so there...

What would you do? Two tacticals a support squad and a iron havocs?

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so... what mark of armor is that?

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>>50839432
Like most things about Cypher we don't know.

>>50839405

> With a lack of tanks, can a viable 2k list be made

Yes.

Your chief concern is a lack of transports, as I'm assuming Rhinos also fall under "lack of tanks." This means your footsloggers will be vulnerable to template nonsense like quad mortars and vindicators.

To counter this, either take advantage of fortifications/cover, or find ways to eliminate your opponents MEQ erasers before they can crush you.

For the Iron Warriors, this will probably be your own counter-battery artillery, if you're willing to invest in that. As for Luna Wolves, deep striking/drop-podded assault units are your best bet.

>>50835644
Depends, with Orth..Fellblade.
For Anti anfintry duty, Glaive.

>>50839432
Mk. S, aka Spoopy Armor.

>>50839348
>our very own
he left for the comforting embrace of the various forums a long time ago

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Are Blood Angels any good in 30k?

>>50840380

You get +1 to wound (and can get +1I on the charge with their good RoW), making them the legion with the most combat buffs. The sword of double wounding is one of the best legion weapons and means your ICs are great at handling both challenges and blobs. They can spam assault cannons like nobody's business, and they have the only killy moritat build left. Their only realy downside aside from no rules for special units or papa Sang until the late 2050s is that they have to take more infantry than tanks, but then you don't pick BA in order to play a gunline.

>>50840380
>Are Assault Cannons on everything any good in 30k?

Yes.

>>50840495
>>50840496
I play 40K and they're like... mid-tier, wanted to see if they were glorious in 30K.. Sounds like they are.

I need ideas, /hhg/. Ideas for terrain.

Istvaan III terrain especially would be nice.

Post em!

>>50840721
HH masterclass has a giant diorama of istvaan III in it.

>>50840644
Range is a bit of an issue (24" is pretty short), and do keep in mind that these assault cannons still have the mishap rule (ie. don't roll triple 1).

>>50838552
Chill out big guy

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>>50838552
>ou had to use the heaviest piece of shit armour (...) and strap fucking rockets to it.
>but you picked the least aero-dynamic fuckers possible
That's what this universe is all about, man.

>>50839348
dafuq? He's always been Middle Eastern. Always was, and still is.

>>50840496
They're good, but a lot of people expect them to be great and they aren't because marines can still take their saves... and this game's 90% marines.

>>50839432
Custom/Artificer.

>>50841048
He was Anatolian, Anatolia pre-Arab and Turkish invasion was Greek, my dude.

Big E is a Mediterranean

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>>50838552
>>50840989
Has he seen the Stormbird yet? There is nothing aerodynamic about Imperial anything. In the Imperium, if it flies, it is through pure brute force alone.

>>50841227
Nice saves you got there. Would be shame if someone was to Rend them useless.

>>50841361
>forget about anti-grav plates

>>50841293
He dates back to pre-Greek Anatolia. Racially they were probably more closely related to the Semitic peoples just south of them, but at some point (hard to say if before or after the Emperor's birth) they started speaking Indo-European, which in that region became Hittite.

>>50841361
What do you do with that in a game? Carry it through like a baby, plonk it on the table for two turns using the metal reinforced weighted stand you made because paranoia, then hope no one nudges the table or gives you shit for spending that much money on a huge brick, or worse, asks you for a loan till payday.

>>50841464
>implying people use models that big in games outside of massive apocalypse games

>>50829183
I need that pic of G-man not needing air to kill.

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>>50841432
They still don't improve the aerodynamic qualities of the vehicles they're mounted to anyway. Landspeeders, Javelins, and Dickbikes aren't exactly air-worthy on their own, and are still propelled by powerful thrusters to get them where they need to go.

>>50841525
There was air though.

>>50841816
You said it flies on pure brute force. But with grav-plates it flyes even without engines. The thrusters just move it.

>>50836938
>unobjectively, unequivocally inferior
You get loads of extra bits and weapon options for 1/10th the price

>>50841816
>the pilot's firing the underslung weapon and his own personal weapon
>the gunner's just like 'dave, calm down man, it's only a squirrel'

>>50837554
>Doubling his points is a bit much, I'd pay 400
He's better than horus in every single way and horus is 500. He needs to be above 500 minimum as-is. Thats how costs work, if its better it costs more.

>>50841960
>He's better than horus in every single way
Anon, you know that's not true. Why would you say that?

>>50837810
>Boohoofuckinghoo why doesn't he cost like a primarch despite being massively better in combat, and having primarch-like abilities and army buffs.
FTFY. He trades transport options for being better than all the primarchs in every thing he does. Yet he's half price?

If it fights better than all the primarchs, buffs like all the primarchs, he should cost as much(in this case more) than a primarch and be a LoW. He certainly has the status to be one.

He doesnt have a transport for him an a deathstar thats assault? He can join a unit of monstrous creatures.

>>50841960
He's not superior to Horus, though.

>No Assault Transport or Deep Strike
>No armywide Ld buffs
>No orbital stirke
>No making units Troops Choices

Scoria is a big slow beatstick who is basically the ultimate countercharge unit or quite scary T3 if you outflank with Virax. That's pretty much it.

whats the consensus on using CSM boxset shoulders for your ''''''''''''''''traitor''''''''''''''''' marines? MKIV shoulders fucking suck

>>50841816
>instead of making these, FW decided to make some super special space Cadillac

>>50842045
>Instead of making Bullock jetbikes, we got Scimitar dickbikes

>>50842017
One, his "Army Buff" is only helpful if you are listing like an idiot, and in some cases can be a detriment, as it extends the range of your "Must move at and charge" thing on the automata,

Two, his Primarch abilities are making ONE arlatax a bit better at the cost of killing it when he dies.

Three, CLOSE COMBAT ISN'T EVERYTHING!
There are OTHER PHASES than smashing your deathstar into his and watching as your Primarch snowflake sweeps all before him until one player concedes or the game ends. Being able to beat a Primarch in CC is only helpful if he gets the chance, and with no transports he never will. The best he does is deterring a headlong deathstar rush and clearing some chaff units, and I think that helps make the game a bit more tactical IMO. Once the other players get the idea not to fight him, anyway.

>>50842028
>No Assault Transport or Deep Strike
He can join MCs, and Cortex units can run with him
>No armywide Ld buffs
Theyre automata. Plus he gets special cyber rite
>No orbital stirke
Its an army of auotmata.
>No making units Troops Choices
Cortex units can run and sweep, and you already have castellax troops.

>>50842145
>OTHER PHASES
You mean like the shooting phase where you have an army of shooty kill admech units? Like plasma artillery automata, Krios tanks, myrmodons, and kit like occulari that reduce cover and grant interceptor? AdMech has the best shooting. Adding scoria is like adding a wraithknight to eldar.

>>50842194
So this isn't 'Scoria is too good' this is 'I don't know how to fight Mechanicum'

>>50842217
Scoria is 'That Guy' territory alongside Ironfire and Ordo Reductor

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>>50841874
And at the end of the day, a brick with grav-plates mounted to it is still a brick. Whether it's a marine with two giant turbines strapped to his back, or a brick-shaped plane, Imperial aerial forces do not operate by IRL standards.

And if you're going to be a gobshite about technicalities, besides the fact that the grav-plates are allowing a vehicle to sit in the air where it normally couldn't (ignoring the laws of physics and nullifying the need for an aerodynamic design, the original point here), landspeeders aren't technically fliers anyway. While they can be deployed from the air and can reach a decent height, they can't maintain a meaningful altitude because the grav-plate has to be passing over a surface.

'Aerodynamics' is meaningless to an Assault Marine in MkIII armor. Aerodynamics is a joke to the Imperium as a whole. If you want aerodynamics, go play Eldar or Tau.

>>50842045
Not to say they still couldn't release the design. Those are HH-era regular landspeeders. Javelins are just heavy landspeeders.

my recast order just came in and it was better casted/cleaned/priced than forgeworld ever was. is anyone here seriously still buying from the official website?

>>50842360
I got some bits that were better than FW too. Because FW doesn't want to print money and sell bits and/or enough different packs of the same weapon.

>>50842333
And I'm saying the Javelin is shit and they could have instead make the regular land speeder before doing donut steels.

They could have made a good base and get extra cash from selling those models to 40k players who want to feel superior to their friends. Then start making their own things. But instead FW decided to just make totally new units out of the blue and leave plenty of units with only GW models to fill the space without even providing any gun options. It's like FW decided not only make all the old units, but also adopt old GW philosophy on releasing models.

>>50842360
Yes, because they deserve the money to produce further goodies for us and keep stuff longer in stock before they kick it.

Do what you want, but please do not pretend it has merit beyond saving money.

You are forgiven if you are from countries with weak currencies or poor.

>Not that you need my acceptance for anything.

>>50842040
Yeah, probably fits the late Heresy period.

>>50832013
so im still safe using my 40k baneblade in my 30k games?

>>50836077
Reminds me of a BattleMech. I love it.

>>50842610
Read page 10 of LACAL. It has the baneblade and which variants you can use

>>50842040
Seeing that most of the pads are devoid of any icons, they're just reinforced pads, which shouldn't be a problem to anyone but the most fervent armour autist.

And what's wrong with icons? We know traitors went full Chaos during the Heresy, so why are we playing with just early period fluff?

This is probably not a good time, but seeing as my 40k Admech are nearly done, just need a Knight and Belisarius Cawl, I thought I'd start saving for a DarkMech Ordo Reductor army.

Is there a way to do them fairly? I want to use arty a bit, as well as around 40 to 60 Adsecularis. I don't want to be a dick, but seeing as IW Ironfire is apparently OP, as is Cybernetica (That was a bit expensive anyway, not paying £160 for two troops choices in an unfun army), is there any way to use it and not be a massive prick?

I want to have hordes of guys marching forwards under the cover of a barrage, and Vorax prowling around murdering, plus air support and Thallax, and OR seemed pretty much perfect. I really like "Pitched battle" armies. If I kept the arty to 2 cannons, only used one or two planes and didn't run Scoria (Don't think you can run him in OR anyway) could I feasibly play casual games without being That Guy?

>>50842766
No idea, but I just want to say that I appreciate what you are doing.

Reading ADB's posts in Bolter and Chainsword, he is pissed at you guys saying that the he ruined the mystery of the setting and that he wrote that Chaos is going win/have won.

Why are you guys bullying him?

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https://twitter.com/LaurieGoulding/status/812265406228557824

The siege of terra has already been planned.

>>50842894
Woah, spoiler alert!

>>50842867
Because this is an anonymous board and he shouls not get his pants in a twist. In the end mystery just allows for your imagination to run wild, wheras concrete answers will allways dissapoint someone.

Would you mind linking me to that skub-wars thread?

I want to start Raven Guard now.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HmbZwGluOIg

>>50842996
Only as ye olde Pale Nomads for me though.

We need more traitors in this thread.

The Outcast sons RoW fits them regardless if they are loyalists or not.

>>50842913
>When you analyse and talk about this stuff endlessly for work, then write about it for work, then in your free time as well, spread across countless blogs, social media posts, forums, and emails, it's difficult to pin down exactly what people have read, let alone what they know from their own readings of the lore, let alone what they actually perceive. That's why the "ADB is changing stuff and is now saying Chaos will win" accusation is so strange in some ways - albeit understandable in others. Ultimately, I'm not saying anything new. Chaos "will" (you could argue, already has) in terms of humanity not being able to split from it and dooming humanity to the cycle of eternal war, and as TMoM shows, the Imperium of 40K takes its first step into the darkness. Chaos winning is the result we can intellectually project or point to right now, but that obviously we'll never see happen in any "absolute" sense.

>The strangest thing, of course is that I've seen people who have literally said the Imperium wouldn't survive the tyranids or that the Imperium is doomed once the necrons all wake up now saying it's bad that I said the Imperium wouldn't survive Chaos. Go figure.


>http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/topic/323391-the-black-legion/page-16

Please no bully.

>>50843067
I like ADB, he's a cool guy who writes cool stuff but there's something about people and social media that makes them connected 24/7 and it seems like ADB needs to disconnect rather than become like Laurie and antagonize the fanbase for no reason. I understand, he's tired, I get tired of 40k's fanbase and I dont work for GW.

Dont become jaded, get out, dont engage your audience 24/7.

>>50843067
Thank you.

All in all, he is a professional writer and earns his money this way.

That has to be respected and he is not a bad writer.

I just happen to like Visions of Heresy stuff and FWs work on that subject more.

They tell nice stories without trying to create and redefine important events (In general), like BL.
FW seem to profit from getting to work with BL stuff as they see fit.

In comparison al Bl writers have to deal with the Pharos now.

Anyway, "muh headcanon" helps me with this, no one forces me to read anything.

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>>50843114
Exactly, fan bases are cancerous.

>t. Cancer.

>>50843114
>rather than become like Laurie and antagonize the fanbase for no reason.

But Laurie is hilarious. It's like watching a guy poking a bees nest for shits and giggles.

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>>50843067
>>50843114
>>50843145
>BalDB can't stand the heat

Maybe he should fuck off.

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>>50843264
Thank you Pepe, Avatar of 4chan.
What would we do withput you?

Also, congrats on commanding that space battle over Calth!
>>50828839

10 man marksmen vet squad outflanking in a rhino, what's a better 15 points - multimelta on the rhino or a power fist on the sarge? I was gonna do PF sarges because they look cool and having the cool sarge that punches a character to death is always fun... but you lose an attack compared to keeping the chainsword or taking a power weapon, vets are decent in melee but marksmen vets aren't necessarily going to be in melee, and in most cases I'm thinking they're not going to want to even disembark until they have to since they can fire their heavy weapons out the top + a pintle mounted rhino gun until the metal box goes pop.

15 point rhino multimeltas is like a better Immolator for fewer points, too, it just seems like a killer build for anything that's going to outflank. Plus, if all I put on the sarge is 2+ armor I don't feel so bad about using him as a meat shield to soak wounds... if he had a PF it would make a lot less sense to have him out front soaking fire.

Anyway, thoughts? I know the conventional thinking a year or two ago was to always do 2+ sarges with a power axe or power fist to win challenges against other, similar units, but things change and a lot of people don't invest in their sarges anymore... plus, taking rhinos wasn't really feasible then and vets couldn't outflank and snipe.

>>50843403
Keep your shooty squads shooty.

>>50842766
Anyone? Slowly building up some converted Adsecularis on the grounds that they'll probably see use and are fun to do, but I'd like to know how much boom and smash I can fit into a fairly casual list.

>>50843542
Roger that, that was my gut feeling anyway. Now I just have to figure out what bits I'll use to represent close combat weapons on 4/10 guys in the unit since only 3/5 of each phobos bolter has the right chain bayonet...

Oh, while we're on the topic of pintle-mounted guns, how does a Sicaran with HB sponsons and a pintle-HB sound? Conventional wisdom is to run Lascannons, but now that they're more expensive it seems like you're much better off with Laser Vindicators or Venators for proper anti-tank. That puts the original Sicaran in a weird spot, but it could have a roll as just a massive dice throwing anti-infantry dakka machine. 6 TL rending autocannon shots and 12 HB shots on a fast tank that can actually shoot them all while moving 6" sounds mighty tempting... 200 points for that versus the 210 for the standard Lascannon build (counting dozers), seems good right?

really I just want to make sure I get the mileage out of the pintle mounted FW bits since there's a HB in there along with the two MMs

>>50843671
Yeah, it continues the theme of each unit being specialized against something. Sounds good to me.

>>50842766
Two guns, one or two planes... sounds fine. The trouble is when people spam something that generalized lists aren't well equipped to deal with, like taking 3+ knights, thanatars, artillery tanks, quad mortars, etc.

>>50842766
>as is Cybernetica
it's only OP if your opponent doesn't think to have an MC counter, which most don't. that said, a lot of new players end up running sniper vets, and honestly, sniper vets can really do a number on MC lists. the various S8 AP3 marine killers that appear in many lists are nearly as good against T6/7 MCs, too.

which arty are you thinking of bringing? honestly, I don't even think it's the artillery that makes OR scary, but rather that Krios tanks and venators are basically the most perfectly costed, min/maxed balance of mobility, durability and firepower for their roles... and you can take four slots of three model squadrons that score in the enemy deployment. they're hands down the best tanks in the game for their cost, with their only real weakness being a particular vulnerability to weapon destroyed results. the bombard AP3 thing does sound intimidating, but as long as there's area terrain for cover saves on the board (particularly if you play objective terrain instead of objective markers) it's not nearly as frustrating as it sounds.

and honestly? between damocles rhinos, scorpius whirlwinds, IW players with their medusae, and masters of signal, there's already a lot of AP3 barrage in HH, so the bombard isn't the outlier a lot of people think it is; rather it's the ability to spam it if you're a jerk. plus, if you do spam it, what you're really asking your opponent to do is show up the next week with knights or super-heavy tanks that can't be hurt by anti-infantry min/max spam. basically, what I'm saying is that there's so much anti-blob weaponry in the game that at this point if opponents aren't building around it they're just making mistakes (and if you're not building your board/terrain with enough area cover saves you're just asking for trouble).

>>50843823
OK. I have a feeling that, seeing as I see a lot of Primarch deathstars and Knights, that I will probably have two Lightnings with Kraken on standby just for a "Fuck that thing" button, as well as some Myrmidons.

>>50843843

I was planning on a few MCs, since Vorax are cool and effective and a couple Castellax might make a nice battering ram and bullet sponge. Seeing as what I mostly saw was tacticals at bare 10 and then stupid numbers of Terminators, I think it's either Medusae or Vindicators.

I may eventually get one or two Krios, but they're very expensive for a medium tank when I can get a whole bunch of other stuff for that money. Probably be a while before it will be too worth throwing in Matrix of Ruin and an Archimandrite, I like sticky fearless tarpits and heavy guns too much.

>>50843067
That thread also reveals that FW and BL are mates with each other and try to work together, with inconsistencies between the two largely planned, while the GW Studio don't talk to anyone and don't seek input from BL and FW and so any inconsitencies between studio books and BL/FW are unintentional.

ie the recent Fenris/Magnus stuff wasn't officially put past anyone at Forge World or Black Library.

>>50843145
>babby can't handle canon and must suck on his headcannon thumb to heal his butt boo-boos
>t. goldie

>>50843976
I feel you on the cost of the Krios, but I would encourage at least one Venator so that you have some sustained anti-tank fire for those lists that have more big solid bricks of hull points than you can delete with your kraken lightnings. actually, as I type this out the more I think you'd probably actually be fine with the lightnings against all but the most ridiculous LR/Spartan spam or Knight spam lists, so that's probably not a huge concern. it's just... such a good tank and a really iconic Taghmata/OR model, too.

>>50842867
It's just how things are in current year. You didn't do anything wrong, it's the people who buy your products that are wrong crybaby manginas who can't handle a real (wo)man.

>>50844045
I don't understand why they gave the Krios Venator a short, stubby gun. Historically, those are associated with anti-infantry or anti-bunker weapons and anti-tank guns have long barrels (for extra muzzle velocity).

Yeah, this is all space magic stuff, but FW usually sticks to historical cues.

>>50844122
I actually kinda like it. It's hard to see in a lot of pictures with the shroud over the barrels but it's like a four-barreled gatling lascannon. plus shorter tanks are easier to move around the board and get through terrain

>>50844122
>why didn't they give this futuristic particle accelerator cannon a long barrel like real life anti-tank guns firing solid projectiles via chemical reaction

Gee, I dunno, anon.

If only someone would tell all those anti-tank missiles to get longer tubes, they look like anti-infantry rockets instead. Don't they know you need long barrels to be anti-tank?

>>50844045
Yeah, I might get the one eventually. I do think that it would benefit from a few Myrmidon Destructors with Grav, just as my anti-primarch in the absence of Scoria.

Actually, if I do Destructor unit, Macrocarid transport, squad of artillery, Krios Venator, that's my HS neatly filled. Lightning and a squad of 3 Vorax for FA and two 3 Thallax cohorts, 40 Adsec and 2 Castellax as troops, then some Tech-Priest auxilia to fix everything, a Magos Prime or Dominus, Archmagos Reductor and thats a neat army list as far as I can tell.

I do like the HH list building, the extra restrictions and no formations make it much easier and more fun, paradoxically.

>>50844033
Well, he...he can come to my house and paint little plastic men with me!

>That will show him....

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>>50839338
>No

You've lied to me for the last time, /tg/.

Is the Cybernetica Battlegroup too big a purchase if I've never worked with Forge World resin before?

>>50844460

Those look fucking awful

>>50844580
wouldnt be too bad, they're all fairly simple kits for the most part.
one thing to watch for, if you get that set, is the leg assemblies for the thanatar, they can be a bit tricky

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I cannot wait to get my hands on this model.

>>50837044

It's physically impossible for plastic, much less CAD plastic to have superior detail to resin.

>Nobody is saying they are superior
>>50837044
>better in detail, much stronger

What? Yeah that's right, fuck off.

>>50844835
Resin can have sharper, shallower details.
Plastic can retain the same level of detail, but it needs to be made a little deeper to do so.

>>50844580
You'll be dealing with resin at some point, if you do Mechanicum. So just dive in. I think it's a pretty good purchase.

Remember: don't sand or saw without a respirator and ventilation. Resin microparticles will cut your lungs up (it's not the fumes that are bad). Wash and scrub the mold release off with dish soap. Use superglue, maybe pinning for the Thanatar. A hair dryer is usually enough to bend warped pieces into place. Hot water is often used too.

The key difference is that plastic, since it's cast in metal molds, can't have any undercuts at all. Rubber molds used in resin and metal production can. That's why the Mk IV shoulder studs look stupid towards the edges.

Finer details are cheaper (for the manufacturer) in resin and metal. You can theoretically get sharp details in plastic, but it's harder to cut those molds.

>>50844910
Most "advanced" modelling stuff I've picked up from Warmachine models, so I suppose I'm more ready than I think I am, since their shit PVC plastic is similar to resin, except that it can't kill you.

>>50844835
Not only is the quality of the plastic ones more crisp than the kinda janky FW resin, which was pretty full of slips and flash during late 2014/early 2015, the detail is to exactly the same amount. While im comparing a single product that i have experience with, saying all resin is superior is flat-out wrong, since the detail that you keep harping on about is usually so miscast and janky that you cant even figure out what to sand off. mkIII i have no opinion on, but with mkIV the resin was awful to work with and the 'detail' was difficult to make out in the best marines. The quality of the plastic mkIV is an undeniable step up from resin mkIV.

Not gonna defend the dude going on about recasts, recasters can go get their lungs irradiated with chinese cancer, but resin mkIV were pieces of shit to work with due to bad casting and i am so glad that plastic mkIV came out

>>50844835
You do realize he was talking about FW MkIV and BaC MkIV plastics, right? Not resin and plastic in general.

But stay mad, cancerboy.

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>>50845006
>ecasters can go get their lungs irradiated with chinese cancer
mfw

>>50844937
>since it's cast in metal molds, can't have any undercuts at all

You can by dividing the mould and model into more pieces. For example baneblade heavy bolters and lascannons have drilled barrels while they come as a single piece (none of the two piece drilled barrel you see on many kits).

>>50844820
Helmeted Russ >> regular russ

>>50845006
the problem i have with mkIV plastics is the stretching on the studs on the legs and pads
looks like ass, but the rest of it is nice