Pathfinder General /pfg/

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>>50822042

I reject your OP and Substatue my own.

How do we promote and progress in the Glorious Endevour, My fellow Hermeans?

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>>50822042
No, because Illusionists are neat.

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>>50822074
MENGKARE IS A VEILED MASTER!

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>>50822074

We publish the pinup calendar of course.

>>50822105

What with Paizo's hate boner for all things not Chaotic Good. I'm actually 100% certain that Mengkare is actually a gold dragon.

What is this bullshit now

>>50822155
I'm of the opinion that he's secretly a blue dragon.

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>>50822105

Even if Mengkare is a veiled master, Hermea produces the finest asses in all of golarion.

>>50822196

Hermean asses are for Hermean eyes only, if you want a nice booty than pick up a Qadiran or Osirion girl.

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>>50822196
>>50822105

Even if he's a psychic beast from the depths of the sea, an ass man can't be all that bad.

I will follow Mengkare into the depths of hell.

>>50822042
Fuck off /vg/, puzzles and dragons isn't Pathfinder related at all

>HV
>Some chucklehead delayed for two sessions
>Even though the sessions are two weeks apart

They missed Session 1 and Session 2, how can we trust they won't miss Session 3? The DM needs to boot that flake-ass player and put in someone who actually gives a damn about the campaign.

>>50822306
>I'm not the GM or any of the players, but you should do what I think
Nah.

>>50822042
>Should we relentlessly bully anyone signing up for a /pfg/ campaign as a wizard or arcanist?
Not really if the gm didn't want them in their game they would have stated as such.

>>50822317

Imagine signing up for a high-profile campaign, getting in, and then promptly flaking on every single session because of unexplained reasons, often days or hours before the session.

The guy's a flake.

>>50822356
And? How does this effect you? How do you even know this if you are not even a player or a gm, and why do you care?

>>50822077
In that case you can just roll up a beguiler and be happy.

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>>50822285

But what if Hermea takes all the good Qadiran and Osirion women? What if all that's leftover are just pale shadows of what they could be!?

>>50822356
Imagine not getting into a high-profile campaign and being so salty about it that you rant about it on 4chan.

Unless you're Catherine then you wouldn't get the spot.

>>50822379
They probably care because they were rejected from the game.
Which is a valid reason to care, really.

Alternately they're a player

>>50822392
Is it? Even without the other person in there is no guarentee they would get in, it would be better to spend time making your applications better to get into other games instead of brooding over one you didn't get into.
Also, this makes me curious if any of the pfg people have gotten into multiple pfg games, I see a lot of the same people applying for them.

>>50822379

I have a solid memory anon, I remember last time they discussed HV and said a player didn't show up, and I remember last thread that player saying they can't make it to the next one too.

It's bullshit, complete and utter bullshit. I care because it's not fair to the myriad of people that desperately wanted to play - there were straight up some with life issues that meant every session mattered!

But nah, this player got in and is wistfully tossing aside their obligations because "I dunno, stuff?" Fuck him, he's the worst kind of player.

>>50822384

There are millions of people in Qadira and Osirion, and Hermea only takes hardly a half-dozen from all over the world every year.

More Qadiran cuties die from horses than they do getting taken by the agents of Mengkare.

>>50822432
I'm sure the player g=told the GM more than "lol idk stuff?"

This is why you never get your hopes up /pfg/. The Salt must flow.

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>>50822432

And we don't care about your bitchin.

>>50822074

I think there's merit in an adventure starting in Hermea. either as a group of youthful soon to be adults about to take their citizenship test. Or applicants being examined.

Maybe Mengkare decides to send the party out too seek out tomes, and lore about human genealogy and other useful subjects so that he can continue to improve humanity with each generation.

>>50822459
I know, i just like memeing.

>>50822432
Calm down, anon. Lots of us didn't make the right group comp, and bitching about it is going to just make the GM want to hope the player who got pulled away manage to get in later rather than take on someone who's willing to rant about another person like you are now.

You don't sound very comfy at all to play with, even though you're upset!

>>50822074
>>50822499

A Hermean campaign would be a high-level, high-attribute quest of GENETIC FREAKS unleashed on Avistan to complete some sort of objective, maybe stop a continental threat like a Justice League or something.

wow pfg not commiting who would had thought

How german/prussian are moltune names?

>>50822564
As German/Prussian as Romans.

>>50822520
>>50822499
>>50822491

Fuckin', then I guess we'll just hear about the six players becoming five in a couple months, and life will move on.

You simply can't miss the first couple sessions and expect to sync right in, it's tough.

>>50822564
Not at all from what someone said in a previous thread.

>>50822560
Honestly I too was hoping the character would ditch so I'd have a chance of getting in, but wasn't going to decry them for it. That's just counterproductive. No-one would want to bring in a bitch player who demands the GM kick someone else out.

I'm not too bothered about missing two sessions myself since I couldn't make them either and told the GM in advance.

>want the Int boost for an animal companion of Courtly Hunter
>Also want the shared initiating of Ambush Hunter
>No initiating Hunter exists to my knowledge

Meme builds are always a tradeoff, it seems

>>50822586

Oh fudge off with that you hecking dork, Golarion doesn't exactly work like that and it shows hard with places like Osirion having radically different names than Qadirans, or folk from Galt being differently named as folk from Cheliax.

But we all know you guys are going to be making Tien characters anyway, so what's the use?

>>50822557

Somehow i think that would be glorious.

>>50822459
But Mengkare is trying to perfect humanity through eugenics, clearly he would select not but the finest asses on Golarion.

>>50822594
Now who's flaking? If you were truly thirsty for games you'd join a campaign that's been going on for years without blinking! Shame on you! Since I want the place more than you and the other person I demand you relinquish any claim to play right now!

>>50822622
>clearly he would select not but the finest asses on Golarion.

He's selecting for a wide variety of factors and great butts are just one of many.

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I will never try pathfinder if this is the kind of playerbase, i read the previous thread.

god have mercy

>>50822668
Pff, trust us, you're better off playing 5E or dungeon world. Pathfinder is for people who want more 3.5E content to powergame with.

>>50822642

Yes he's also trying to craft the perfect blend of Delicious brown.

Genetically wonderful large and perky intelligence is also important.

Plus a heaving, backbreaking physical strength is also a prime requirement.

>>50822618
>Osirion having radically different names than Qadirans
>In 2253 AR, the Cult assassinated the last Qadiran satrap
?
>folk from Galt being differently named as folk from Cheliax
>To achieve this goal, it changed the alphabet of the Common language and the names for the days of the week.
???

Native Molthuni are ethnically Chelaxian and haven't had time or desire to diverge.

>>50822668
Vocal, obnoxious minority, anonymous imageboard, neat

>>50822675
Lot of people are in pathfinder for familiar rules and extensive modules, not just to powergame
Pathfinder community is lot different outside of this DSP fanclub

>>50822586
>>50822596
So roman? Where in golarion has the prussian/german names? The ones with "von" in the middle.

>>50822586
>>50822705

>Chelaxians
>Romans

Oh sure, "Henderthane" is such a quintessentially Roman name, same with "Cimri" or "Jeggare."

>>50822705
Brevoy is Prussian.

>>50822683
visable yes but from the sound of it there semse to be alot more of your kind

>>50822728
>>50822705

Ustalav is Prussian/German, Brevoy is Polish.

>>50822727
>Molthune isn't german, it's roman
>Mothune isn't roman at all!
Why do you do this too me.

>>50822745
I thought Ustalav was russia?

>>50822755
>>50822745
Ustalav is the Balkans, Irrisen is Russia, and Brevoy is Prussia.

>>50822775
Is that for names or for country thematics?

>>50822755
>Why do you do this too me.

Molthune and by extension Cheliax are English dressed in a trenchcoat. Their titles and names have a flair for the dramatic or diabolical (which means Latin, of course) but at their core it's English.

>Molthune is german but actually roman but actually english
>brevoy is prussia but actually poland but actually game of thrones
>ustalav is prussia but actually the balkans
You guys aren't making it easier.

>>50822775
>>50822786

Irrisen is Fairy Tale Russia, Iobaria is "normal" Russia.

Brevoy doesn't have a lick of Prussian in it, which is why I'm honestly confused by what you're trying to say here. There isn't a single Von or Hans or Helmut or Reinhardt in that place... But there are Olegs, Noleskis and Natalias. Hell, it's a commonwealth of kingdoms united in war.

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>>50822382
Enchantments are not illusions, anon.

>>50822818
>brevoy is prussia but actually poland but actually game of thrones

Brevoy is Poland ran through the Game of Thrones filter.

Ustalav is the Balkans and Romania.

You're right about Molthune though.

>>50822836
>Ustalav is the Balkans and Romania.
Isn't that Varisia with all it's gypsies and stuff?

>You're right about Molthune though.
So what do I do for names?

>>50822786
I'm gonna wager the answer is yes.

On a somewhat related tangent; stoic, somewhat provincial Kievan Rus style knight from Irrisen now an expat in Molthune, yes/no?

Maybe there ISN'T a direct analog to Prussia, have you considered that?

>>50822698
>familiar rules and extensive modules,
So, people wanting more 3.5E content.

Anyone wanting more of that either is a powergamer or should play a different system. The only thing pathfinder is good at is rewarding system mastery, and people find a perverse pleasure in building characters far more than playing them. Characters can be played well in most systems but only pathfinder makes autistically poring over the rules have so much of a benefit.

It's like 1984, the elite are willing to eat shit as long as they can grind those below them into the shit they're eating.

>>50822856
>Isn't that Varisia with all it's gypsies and stuff?

Nah, Varisia is a fucking mess of themes and memes but it's mostly Italy, especially on the coasts.

>So what do I do for names?

If Cheliax is the Roman Empire, than Molthune would consider itself the successor of the Roman Empire, ergo the Holy Roman Empire (or even go for something wild and crazy like Byzantine.)

>>50822863

That's what makes this whole thing unusual, because Molthune is *dressed* like Prussia but they're ethnically different. The State Budget being the Military Budget is a classical aspect of Prussian administration, and something Molthune does in spades.

>>50822727
>Jeggare

Jeggo
Jeggas
Jeggat
Jeggamus
Jeggatus
Jeggant

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>>50822668
It took me a fair amount of tries to not get any weird magical realm players in my games when I was running PF. Thankfully I kept in contact with them.

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>mfw all these sloppy analogues
>mfw the only France-expy is a failed Revolutionary State

WHAT IF I JUST WANT LE ROI-SOLEIL, HMM? WHY CAN'T WE HAVE FRANCE-LAND, THE REALM OF SUN KINGS, PLEASANT MEADOWS, LOOSE WOMEN AND STUFFY KNIGHTS OBSESSED WITH STEALING THE STORIES OF OTHER COUNTRIES?

>>50822931
Have you not heard of Taldor?

>>50822960
Taldor is spain with all their fallen glory, dealings with not!muslims across a narrow strip of sea, and shit.

>>50822867
Nobody wants to learn now rules and Paizo's AP are still no matter how many errors they make cut above the rest.

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>>50822960

Taldor is the dumpster-land of European memes they couldn't stuff elsewhere, they tickle your balls with the insinuation they're France but never stroke the shaft with it.

>>50822976
>Paizo's AP are still no matter how many errors they make cut above the rest.
I know you're trying to troll, anon, but at least make an effort to say SOMETHING believable.

>>50823022
You gotta be seriously out of touch with rest of the rpg industry not to see this

>>50822975
>The Realm of Sun Kings
Stavian III, Grand Prince of Taldor, Emperor of Taldor, Scion of Aroden, Doge of Andoran, Defender of Galt, Eternal Monarch of Cheliax, Primarch-in-waiting of Absalom.
>pleasant meadows
What are the Tandak Plains?
>loose women
Yes.
>stuffy knights obsessed with stealing the stories of other countries
That's the whole point of Taldor. They're looking back on their glory days, forgetting that those regions are no longer part of Taldor.

>>50822999
It's not France, but it's everything that guy wants.

>>50822975
>>50822999

I hate to say it, but Taldor *is* meant to be France, many of their wondrous items have blatant French names (such as the Divan of Emperor Fortigré) and their landscape of verdant farmland and haughty citizens is stereotypical to that part of the world.

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>>50822074
We could kidna--adopt a bunch of cute little boys and girls from around the Inner Sea! Then raise them in our superior society!

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>>50823035
>>50823038

>mfw you're exactly right
>mfw it still doesn't feel good

Fuck, I guess the only thing that's really bothering my booty about all this is Taldor being a fallen empire with delusions of grandeur when France was pretty hot stuff in the 16th century (which is kinda sorta what the setting is meant to be, yeah?)

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Alright /pfg/, hoping to get a little more feedback in the new thread; camp follower-turned-knight for valor above and beyond the call of duty. She's in a little over her head and still double-checks every morning that she isn't dreaming, but she owes Molthune everything and by the gods she's going to pay it back a hundredfold and again. She's going to be the best knight she can; but she's going to make sure she never forgets where she came from.

Thoughts and feedback are appreciated as always. Picture spoilered despite being related, just for safety's sake.

http://www.myth-weavers.com/sheet.html#id=1047023

>>50823080
Almost like its some awful amalgamation of France, Spain, England, and Italy.

>>50823108

Which is really a pretty awful way of going about it. Smashing cultures together like that never turns out pretty, especially ones as different as each of those.

>>50823088
Why three weapons in addition to claws, that seems a tad overkill. Also correct me if I am wrong but stuff like tents, food, ect I belive he said were given to you, and you did not need to spend starting wealth on it.

>>50823139

Blame people born and raised in a sheltered culture built on globalism and the belief that there really isn't any major delineations between a Frenchman or a Spaniard or an Italian.

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>>50822074
You cannot succeed. Your cause is hopeless.

>>50823150

I always buy a starting class kit, which HAS trail artions, bedrolls, and such in it; better to have it than not, and the GM okay'd the purchase. The three (actually four) weapons plus claws is because planning to dual-wield, a back up/toolset weapon in the kunai in case I need it, and a bow for an honest ranged weapon.

>>50823165
>>50823108

Let's be honest here; if the Inner Sea was dominated by a Not!France, Not!Italy and Not!Spain with special mentions to Not!Greeks and Not!English, would it have been better than what we got now?

Because I would've initially said no, but now I'm not too sure anymore after we've seen all our "favorite" countries have fairly solid analogues.

>>50823414
The Inner Sea needs a Not!Holy Roman Empire.

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>tumor familiar discovery
>figment familiar archetype
>play a hypochondriac

does this work

>>50823069
This guy knows what's up.

>>50822899
>>50822856
Varisia is Fantasy New Jersey, complete with rip-off Jersey Devil

>>50823501

It does! Holy shit, it does!

>>50823438

I'd hype the heck out of that!

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I think I'm finally finished tinkering with Valeriya Deverin's character sheet for RotJR, looking for feedback:
http://www.myth-weavers.com/sheet.html#id=1042857

And for posterity here's her greentext backstory:
>Daughter of Kendra Deverin and childhood friend of Ameiko.
>As a young girl she was wild and unruly as a reaction to her powers manifesting, her friendship with Ameiko was probably the only thing that kept her sane during this time.
>Was shipped off to boarding school run by the Magnimar Navy to "get disciplined".
>Initially spent a lot of spare time in Underbridge practicing her magic with local beguilers, but as she advanced in her schooling and matured this side of her life lost its appeal.
>Upon graduating, she joins the Magnimar city watch, but quickly becomes frustrated by the limits of what she could do as a guard.
>As she becomes more and more disillusioned she begins to return to Underbridge, feeding the beguilers intel on their competition in return for some formal training.
>Breaking point occurs one night as she witnesses a young Sczarni boy (around 12 years old) pocketing a dose of pesh and follows him to an abandoned warehouse on the docks.
>Inside she finds dozens of Tian girls in chains, sex slaves waiting to go to market. The boy is offering one of the girls a hit of pesh in return for sexual favors. Valeriya sees her best friend Ameiko in each and every one of the girls and goes ballistic. She beats the boy nearly to death.
>She is dismissed from the city watch and returns to Sandpoint in disgrace.
>Sandpoint is full of the same kind of corruption, the same kind of people who are willing to let criminals escape for the sake of due process.
>She takes on her vigilante mantle and stalks the streets of Sandpoint at night, willing to do whatever must be done to uphold her sense of justice.

Doest PF has chain of actions like in mtg? If there's a flying opponent, and I teleport to his possition do I fall immediatelly after my teleport ends or (because I can) can I full attack that flyer after falling?

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Are there such things as intelligence divisions in Molthune's army? I have a character idea that is largely a detective or a field intelligence officer. Maybe a slight tactician slant, but it's looking like it's leaning away from that. What could someone like that do to become landed?

>>50823712

Found out something they shouldn't, so got landed and retired as a 'thanks, but now you're too dangerous; we're keeping an eye on you, but as long as you stay harmless, everything will be shiny. Shiny?'

>>50823742

So, a more benevolent burn notice?

>>50823742
That sounds a little to grand of a plot hook to casually drop in a backstory. It does seem like a nice reason for a genius, young upstart to get "benched" so early in their career.

Where my stronk bruiser bros at for Molthune Knights? Surely there's gotta be people who aren't going dex/int?

>>50823764

Pretty much, it's not uncommon in spy fiction (or actual spook work) for a spy who's gotten too much of their own people's secrets uncovered to get a 'pleasant retirement for service' with strings attached.

>>50823784

I'm going dex/cha!

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Here's what I I'd like to play.

Elf or Tiefling

Rogue 1 (chameleon or cutpurse), better stealth or sleight of hand
Feat: improved initiative
Wizard 3, Conjuration (Teleportation, for swift action dimension doors 3+int mod)
Feat: Accomplished Sneak attacker, +d6 sneak attack

Then go Arcane trickster, which allows me to sleight of hand (and disable device) from a distance, including in combat if unnoticed though I mostly will be using illusions and conjurations spells to control the battlefield.

For unchained Rogues, there's also a nice feat that would go well with the teleportation ability, cloying shades, that entangles all the foes when you dimension door, at both locations, to and from.

Is giving up the favored class and bonus feats from straight wizard level a huge loss? As for spellcasting, I lose 1 the very first level, but only the one. AT gives full spellcaster levels for all 10 of its levels, so by level 14, I could surprise spells, so when I do damage with spells on flat footed enemies I can add 7d6 sneak attack (of the element or class that the spell deals), that's 20d6, a nice opener when you scout ahead and get a surprise round (with alert and high dex hopefully even 2 rounds of flatfooted enemies).

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>>50823784
Making a Cavalier. Thinking Honor Guard.
He'll be the stoic stronk character to make sure that squishy members of the party don't get hurt. Going to be an expat from Irrisen, with all the hangups that entails.

>captcha: select all tea
>won't clear til I select coffee
FFS.

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>>50823891

Will he be filled with old country wisdom learned from the many doors his life has taken him through?

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>>50823817
Only take 1 level in AT, grab the rest in Evangelist with AT as your aligned class. Use the Prestigious Spellcaster feat from Paths of the Righteous to cover that one level without increasing your spell progression.

>>50823933
You dare mock the son of a horseman, loose pants Ed-bard?

>>50823677
bump?

>>50823979

Pretty sure when you teloport you have to end on a flat, hard surface

>>50823998

That mean you can teleport right to my dick?

>>50824008
Not too many teleport spells allow you to teleport to an area that would be hazardous to the target.

>>50824008
Yeah, but you'd have to make an Acrobatics check base DC 20 to balance.

>>50823677
Teleport is a standard action. So no, you can't attack him at all. If you quicken the teleport somehow, you immediately start to fall, so you might get a single attack and then fall as a move action.

>>50823949
DM only allows core, though I'll try let him get me a tiefling anyways.
I guess I shouldn't have mentioned unchained rogues.

>>50824062

>DM only allows core

you poor, poor man.

>>50824062
>DM only allows core,
Into the trash

>>50824050
It's worse than that. Most teleport methods in pathfinder act like dimension door which steals any actions you have remaining after teleport. You'd need the dimensional agility feat even if you quickened it.

>>50824050
Dimensional assault and pummeling charge for example.

>>50824062
>DM only allows core
I'm so sorry.

>>50824076
>>50824077
>>50824089
Well, they only recently got into Pathfinder and that's how all the other characters were made.

>>50824097
That doesn't make it ok

>>50824097
It's not like core is inherently more balanced than any other product Paizo's put out. In fact I'd say it's worse than average.

Is the sleepy drawback a solid one for RP purposes? Or should I just take hedonistic? Does hedonistic have to be about boning people? Can it just be "I want to spend an hour reading/shopping/being a slugabed"?Can I negate the fatigue with the life sphere?

>>50824105
>>50824113
Technically he said only core for the races, but definitely only Paizo stuff. I'll have to inquire further.

>>50824122
Sleepy is frustrating for the rest of your party, but if you're, say, a wizard, it's not that bad, since you were going to be resting for long periods of time uninterrupted anyways.

Hedonistic doesn't have to be sex, just something pleasurable and non-productive, like browsing a Taiwanese wood-carving forum. And yes, the fatigue isn't uncurable, but taking drawbacks that you can just undo is a bit of a dick move.

>>50824147
The life sphere thing wasn't going to be a every day thing.

Would wanting to take a nice morning breakfast everyday count? Nice coffee/tea, eggs, bacon, the works?

>>50824187
As long it takes at least an hour to do so, that'd work.

I heard you can't use Eldritch Scoundrel with UC Rogue, is this true? Nothing on their page leads me to believe it, but on Archives of Nethys if you hover over it the text says you can't.

>>50822042
why would a masterclass wizard or arcanist take shit from you pussy fuccboi martials and initiators?

Better back the fuck up, bitch.

>>50824214
Nice. I feel like the "extra 4 hours of sleep" thing in sleepy is questionably not there RAW, as the effect is just "-2 to sleep effects". So hedonistic does a good job of replicating that feel, while also expanding what I can do with it.

a lazy/spoiled Tiefling Molthune Intelligence Officer sounds fun and a little cute.

>>50824241
Also it seems like Hidden Blade and Eldritch Scoundrel stack, but if you do you get 0 rogue talents. Can you still take the Extra Rogue Talent feat?

>>50824241
No conflicts. so Nethys is wrong.

>>50824147
>yup, it's wood.

>>50824097
You're asking in the wrong place, every response you got went back to sucking off DSP's dick.

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>>50824376
>not liking core only means you suck DSP dick

What's the class with the most utility,say,between level 1 and 5?

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>>50824301
Yes, they stack, and RAW you can't get any talents since you no longer have the class feature. Ask your GM though.

>>50824376
>anything other than core only is DSP dick sucking

>>50824396
>>50824420
lolmad

>>50824405
So levels 1-5 you want a mix of spell casting and skills. You'd probably be best served with either a wizard pumping his int through the roof with a sage familiar or an investigator doing similar.

>Both the characters submitted so far for comfyknights are fucking furries

fuck you /pfg/ and your anime furry weeb shitposting bullshit, this game is already ruined and I was hoping so much to get away from your stupid fetish nonsense you cunting bastards, goddamnit.

>>50824437
>meme responses
Not an argument. Try again.

>>50824487
Why is everyone always "tragic past"

So ... how do pfg campaigns usually pan out?
Do they survive the whole run?
I mean the threads have high hype, does that last to the end?
I mean, our group has done 4 books of one AP and we started over a year ago.
Looking back, this shit has been a huge commitment.

>>50824487
Animu kitsune aren't furries.

>>50824511
>Why is everyone always "tragic past"
1) Because a character who's had nothing happen in their past is boring.
2) Neither of the posted Molthune have a particularly tragic backstory.

>>50824487
>this game is already ruined
>two applicants and no one's gotten in yet
You seem upset.

>>50824508
Neither were the responses, including yours. Get angrier.

>>50824518
>Do they survive the whole run?
No, generally they don't even start.

>>50824511
My old spy isn't tragic. He did his time, won his battles, and now has a large family.

>>50824518

I think there are only 3 big /pfg/ campaigns trying to start right now. RotJR, HV, and Molthune Knights.

HV has had one session and the next is this Tuesday.

RotJR is not accepting applications until January.

MK was just posted like 2 days ago.

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>>50824540
Here's an argument then, you were the first person in the conversation to mention DSP.

>>50824539
>2) Neither of the posted Molthune have a particularly tragic backstory.

What about this second mary sue tiefling faggot? boo hoo she was a slave and then she was a whore and then boo hoo and blaaah and mary sue furry bullshit. And the kitsune's no better with her special snowflake yokai DSP fucking stupid ass mary sue bullshit.

>>50824549
What?
But hasn't pfg been around for ages now?
Why start playing only NOW?

>>50824511
Generally, someone who seeks the life of an adventurer has little to lose anyway.

But mostly because it's an easy way for their character to garner attention, sympathy, and an illusion of depth. Regardless of how cliche and cheap their story is. I love it when GM's trivialize shitty backstories like those.

>>50824487
>>50824511
>tfw you're trying to make a tiefling noble who is a bit spoiled/doesn't take care of herself well but is nonetheless a good detective/officer who cares about her subordinates and her country.
Would finding something out that they shouldn't have be a "tragic past"? What if they were okay with living the quiet life after all that? Is that too mary-sue, too boring, too tragic?

>>50824567
I think there's a gestalt Godling game that recruited off /pfg/ that's still going on.

>>50824567

Because we're a bunch of socially repressed wierdos who are just self-aware enough to be afraid about autisming all over a group?

>>50824580
Don't give a fuck about what retards on /tg/ think. He's just trolling for (yous).

Make the backstory you want to make.

>>50824559
That's a "meme" argument too, but at least you're still pretty fuckin mad.

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How would you turn this colossal creep n' cutie into a character?

>>50824567

The group starting is a recent phenomenon.

>>50824603
kancolle is pretty trash tho

>>50824567
People recruit off here. It's just that they don't report back. I'm like in two games that were advertised on /pfg/ right now. Granted one is basically dead/dying because the GM can't stand PF anymore and we have one more session left that will most likely just be RP and wrapping up loose ends.

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>>50822042
This is the only good ending to a /pfg/ campaign.

>>50824487
Is a Rakshasa Bloodline Tiefling a furry? I like Rakshasa, but do not want fur. Maybe I'll base myself off of the blue armed Rakshasa.

>>50824629
They're all fucking furry you fucking degenerate scrublord, just play a normal race not your special snowflake twinkel toes bullshit

>Molthune regularly accepts hobgoblins, snake people, lizardfolk, centaurs and other monstrous humanoids into its ranks
>everyone plays tieflings and kitsunes

Lmao

>>50824639
Man I don't even want tiefling for tiefling. I wanted it for the stats. I'm a minmaxer, not a furry. For once I didn't want to just play a human.

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>>50824639
>a normal race

So Humans? Let's cut the middleman and admit where you're going with this.

>>50824640

I want to play a Lizardfolk!

>>50824640
/pfg/ is snowflake central, you should know this.

>>50824673
human elf dwarf halfling half-elf half-orc gnome, motherfucker, the core races that cover all needs and anyone playing a race that isn't one of those is a fucking weeblord special snowflake fetishist cuntwaffle masturbating under the table.

>>50824658
whatever helps you sleep at night you dicksucking furry faglord trash

>>50824597
Thing is, I have no idea what I want out of the backstory outside:
>Noble-born
>Tiefling
>Military officer
>Some explanation of divination, inspiration and fate mechanics
>Somehow gets granted land

Anything outside of that I have no idea on what I want or sounds good.

>>50824640
>tfw hobgoblin
>tfw probably won't get accepted because everyone hates hobgoblins

I'm disappointed the GM is not allowing Night Terror, but probably will play a caster Vigilante instead.

What vigilante has the best spell casting suite?

Cabalist seems decent for espionage which is what I am going for, but I don't really like Spill Blood all that much.

Zealot also seems decent for the Inquisitor spell list.

>>50824689
All of those are shit except Humans and Dwarves.

How is being a Hobgoblin, Orc, or Oggr any more mary sue than being a Half-Orc?

>>50824683
>>50824689
a snowflake is not made by the race line on a character sheet

>>50824689
Half of those races don't fit in Molthune.

Tiefling are a big more fitting, but not really.

>>50824707
No but it's a pretty good indicator.
It's just fucking fascinating because it seems that for the most part. If it isn't a Tiefling, Aasimer, or Kitsune /pfg/ will just make humans.

>>50824689
>gnomes
>not being special snowflakes

It's literally baked into their lore, they have to be lolsorandum or they get bored to death.

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>want to play with /pfg/
>no eu timezone friendly games

>>50824640
Bitch I'd play a centaur if they were allowed, even if they had their base stats nerfed. I'd be absolutely down for going Shining Force on a motherfucker, maybe

Unfortunately I don't think I'd have time for the Molthune game.

>>50824689
You sound mad as fuck, senpai. Did a dhampir rape your family or something?

>>50824702
Warlock Vigilante has Wizard spells, and if the GM is allowing Jolly's stuff, Mystic Bolts will at least contribute a little.

>>50824707
>a snowflake is not made by the race line on a character sheet

Bull fucking shit.

>>50824710

I don't know, Molthune is right next to Cheliax, which has a large population of Tieflings that are second class citizens at best from what I remember; it makes sense there'd be an exodus of them into the nation that offers anyone citizenship for service if they're looking to make a better life for themselves.

>>50824710
But ktisune do.

Besides aren't the core races supposed to be pretty common in default Golarion?

>>50824706
>Halflings, Elves, and Half-Orc/Elves, shit.

Fuck you

>>50824717
It's almost like /pfg/ doesn't like small races and picks the options that have nice ability scores.

>>50824583
It was two parties, one of which got kicked and killed off for one or two characters going too far in favor of the other party where nothing gets done except chatting on discord. GM was too drunk to do anything half the time anyways.

>>50824706
>All of those are shit except Humans and Dwarves.

Dwarfags should be gassed.

>building character for molthune
>old spy character
>Hobgoblin
>Cabalist Vigilante VMC Witch
I'm still worried that I don't have enough support for being a spy.

Now for the Spy-like Skills.

I'm thinking:
>Stealth
>Bluff
>Linguistics
>Knowledge (Local)
>Knowledge (Nobility)
>Sleight of Hand
>Escape Artist
>Sense Motive
>Disguise
>Disable Device

Am I missing anything?

>>50824742
To be fair, I hate small races too.
Oh and half giants, but that's the "I literally just want to beat stick" race.
>>50824738
>Halfings
Shit
>Elves and Half-Elves
Shit
>Half Orcs
Can be okay. Good mechanics. Would rather just be a full blood.

>>50824629
They're literally furry. Just look at the picture for them, it's just short of "a cat is fine too"

>>50824628
>unleashing the Tarrasque
>anywhere
>for any reason

DO NOT.

>>50824613
>two

So if one's dying, what's the other one?

>>50824772
>So if one's dying, what's the other one?
Holiday break.

>>50824756

Sounds good to me, bossman. Can't think of any other skills that might be spy-like other than maybe UMD for helping hack magical locks and shit.

>>50824717
15 (16) Humans - Khair, Omza, Anja, Casimir, Corwin, Ricktor, Amalthea, Agatha, Viviana, Caelum, Rubio, Gallius, Esmera, Jean, Awinita, Valeriya, Karis, technically Aranha
6 Tieflings - Onryou, Maxima, Sieghard, Ferandru, Agni, Kazuma
5 Aasimar - Lilin, Kanela, Zeldana, Jin, Michael
3 Kitsune - Gil, Shanna, Sanjo
2 Dhampir - Shizuka, Sarka
2 Catfolk - Niske, Ayil
1 Skinwalker - Silvia
1 Android - Amandia
1 Half-giant - Roku
1 Oread - Keva
1 Ethumion - Aster
1 Changeling - Amalia
1 Obitu - Grayson
1 Ratfolk - Rinka
1 Halfling - Bartran
1 Blinkling - Ceri
1 Sylphu - Quinn
1 Tengu - Hikari
1 Centaur - Bellenka
1 Dwarf - Agna
1 Lizardfolk - Gebrek

19 non-human/tiefling/aasimar/kitsune. And people play tiefling and aasimar because they're mechanically powerful.

>>50824728
Go back to your human only campaign safe space.

>>50824735
Golarion has this weird thing where 80℅ of the population is human, with like 5℅ being halfling, and the remainder being everybody else, mostly gnome and dwarf though.

>>50824761
Elves & Half-elves are fine.

Elves make good wizards because they can get Spell Focus as a bonus feat twice at level 1.

>>50824726

I did approve someone for a centaur. I bumped down all the bonus stats to make it 16 instead of like 28

>>50824788

And yet everyone wants to play a goddamn Tiefling or Kitsune.

And when it's human it's Tien, but god knows how they got there.

>>50824791
No Elves are shit.

Literally only "okay" in pornography, fuck them showing up prominently in anything I'm supposed to take seriously though.

>>50824787
Kitsune are mechanically powerful with p blood of the beast and bloodforge infusions. Lots of stat blocks, and yokai+skilled is nice.

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Does anyone ever actually play:

>Wayangs
>Shabti
>Kasatha
>Oread
>Vanara
>Caligni
>Kuru
>Ganzi
>Orang-Pendak

I never hear any of these mentioned.

>>50824787
>Go back to your human only campaign safe space.

Yea because I totally said anything about human-only campaigns. /pfg/ does this really fucking weird thing where they assume you said things that you didn't. It's like you're all actually autistic or something. Why is this general so awful? Are these actual containment threads?

>>50824801
So you just want a human only setting?

>>50824801
Most of the humans aren't Tien.

Like fuck, I don't think any of the RotJR humans are Tien? Those are the aasimer and tieflings doubling down.

>>50824823
I ONLY know that these exist because of the FCB lists.

I've never actually seen any of them.

>>50824780
Alright, which one are you?

>>50824823
>Wayangs
I would if I could find art for the little fuckers.
>Shabti
I want to play one. One of the few ways to be immortal without making it to level 20. I love that about them.

I dont care about the rest.

>>50824823
I was tempted to make a Vanara for hot monkey dick jokes.

Kasatha is basically "I want four guns : The race"

People play Oreads.

>>50824756
Anyone have a suggestion for a VMC that would be better? I am thinking Disguise for my first one for hour/level disguise self.

>>50824787
>Khair, Esmera, Maxima, Ferandru, Zeldana, Ayil, Bellenka, Agna
>Sersheon for HV
>Now this stupid furry bitch for comfyknights
Remove I.Drive, blight on /pfg/ games, perverted sperglord and problem-causer, castrate him and remove him from the genepool, he should kill himself to save us the trouble of touching his unclean existence of being a fucking furry sperglord faggot faggot.

>>50824886
>Remove I.Drive, blight on /pfg/ games
That's not how you spell depressedhomebrewer

>>50824886
I mean, I agree and think he needs to calm the fuck down with characters but you need to calm down too.

>>50824886
What is your fucking damage.

>>50824902
If only they would both do it for us, brother
>>50824906
the crusade never ends I will continue this until victory over faggot sex fetishists

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>>50824689
>mfw sick and tired of playing those races
>mfw "NO YOU HAVE TO PLAY THESE RACES OR ELSE SPESHUL SNOWFLAKE"

yea fuck off, if I wanted Not!LotR fantasy I'd play in that setting.

>>50824920
>If only they would both do it for us, brother
Depressedhomebrewer has admitted to having suicidal tendencies. If we keep at it he'll actually kill himself!

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This talk of races makes me wonder. What's your favorite race, and what's a race you've never played, but would like to try out sometime?

>>50824699
Any help with this, guys?

>>50824920
You're in a general preaching to a bunch of nerd losers who pretend to be cute anime girls and roleplay pretend sex with other losers, what do you think you're going to accomplish?

>FUCKING KITSUNE, FURRY WEEB!
>Aasimar? Wow, my mom was an angel, Mary Sue bullshit.
>Elves are such a special snowflake race, live for a thousand years.
>Half-orc, fucking product of race mixing, you fucking pervert.
You're never satisfied.

>>50824932
Half-elf, and I want to play a Ghoran.

>>50824932
>Favorite Race
Fetchlings, Warforged and 3.5 Changelings.
>Want to play but never have
Shabti.

>>50824932
>Favorites
Humans, Hobgoblins, Orcs
>Want to play; never have
Oggr, Warforged, Kitsune(Dickass liver eating kind)

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>>50824886
>>50824902
>/pfg/ will never be free from bands of unwashed peasants with torches and pitchforks looking to conduct a field inquisition on some of the only sane human beings here

>>50824699
>>50824938
So you were born a tiefling. If both your parents are human likely you were seen as a blight or curse upon the household. Literally their child is an incarnation of evil. If at all possible they would have granted your privileges to the next born (especially if you were the heir).

If I were your parents I would have sent you to be fostered, but who the fuck would take you?

Only place I can think of is a church that would take a literally part demon as a charity case.

>>50824699
Well you could use the being born a tiefling as either a boon or a disgrace depending on how the family feels about the mixed heratige, remember it skips generations so it may have just suddenly cropped up, they could have been disinherited and sent to the military to get them away from the more normal parts of the family in spite of being the rightful heir to their noble holdings.
Or if it is viewed as a boon they may have been given an officers position due to their noble heritage and be lower in the line of inheritance but be viewed favorably and supported by the family.
But figuring out how the family reacts to a tiefling is really the first step to a backstory for such a character, as that will influence their childhood the strongest in most cases.

>>50824958
>Dickass liver eating kind
Gumiho a best.

>>50824932
Humans, Goblins, Hobgoblins, Orcs, Half-Orcs, Dwarf

>>50824815
No fuck you and your shit opinions

>>50824938
If that's the "slave got landed nobility for pointing out an ambush against her own group", that takes things way too far.

For one thing that's not at all going above and beyond one's duty: "oh shit we're under attack" is the bare minimum of anybody's duty! When you're getting attacked, fighting back is basic basic survival. Rather than that, whether you're a cook or a general, the one who keeps their mouth shut instead in that situation is a damned traitor!

>>50825011

That's actually my character, not the person you've replied to; and the 'above and beyond call of duty' was more due to 'instead of retreating and letting the soldiers handling it, charged into the fray to disrupt the ambush while everyone (other than the tired night watchmen) was waking up and grabbing their swords'. A soldier of any type, even just a logistics worker, is expected to point out ambushes, but no one could have faulted her for retreating afterwards; but she didn't.

>>50825011

What do you think a cook could do to make them noticed by the officers?

I want to be the cook!

>>50824932
Favorite race is Human/Halfling.

Race I've never played and would like to: Thri-Kreen

>>50824932
I don't particularly have favorites but I've just realized I've never played a Dwarf. I ought to do that one day.

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>>50824772
The Tarrasque is the only thing that can clean Golarion from a /pfg/ campaign.

>>50824963
See, but I don't want a "abloobloo, muh tragic past" backstory.

>>50824978
I had a thought of it being a mixed thing. Like the family couldn't have her inherit the house, but weren't opposed to keeping the good relations with her. Maybe persuaded her to go the officer route to gain prestige for herself.

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>>50824932
>Favorite Race
Mechanically, Tieflings and now Intsune, because they can be jammed into damn near anything I tend to want to build and work. Fluffwise and in terms of actually playing? Half-elves, holy fuck I have made (and played) so many goddamn half-elves.

>Favorites that you have yet to play
I'm kind of partial to Wyrwoods, if only because I want to refluff one to a different, similar construct. Centaurs are pretty swell, if I try really hard to ignore the fetish shit. They're both wholly impractical for most games though, so I'm probably shit outta luck.

Sooner or later I'll actually get to play an Intsune, and I still want to play a Halfling, Dwarf, Dhampir, Tengu, and Kobold at some point. Was pondering a Dwarf for a Hunter||Warder build actually. Might be fun stuff, though it sucks I wouldn't be able to give the Hunter's companion any initiating.

>>50825037
That could maybe help you qualify to take the citizenship test and maybe explains the extra 1k starting gold, but there's no way that would net you landed nobility. Like, THAT's unlikely for anything below "full-but-landless-knight literally took some arrows for king/crown-prince in that battle"

>>50824928
Man that isn't nice. I know we're bad people here but come on.

>>50825070
Having something bad happen to you isn't fucking tragic. Holy shit.

>>50825043
You have pots and pans, have you never had a toddler 'round the house?

>>50825062
And also everything else.

MAD, have you ever heard of it? You drop your nuke, the other guy drops his and before you know it nothing bigger than a sheep exists anymore.

>>50824928
You know you can go to jail for that, right?

>>50825079

Well, the assumption is the logistics corps is as important to the military as the soldiers, so five years there is still five years in the military, and therefore garunteed citizenship, just less glamorous. I noted that the story of it kept getting bigger in retelling when soldiers were being interviewed after the citation for valor got kicked upstairs for review.

Should I just delete the whole character and start over? I thought it made sense, and I've posted a few times looking for help and advice but since no one replied with anything, I had assumed it was okay.

>>50825086
It's not, but being disowned for being "literally an embodiment of evil" is kind of tragic.

>>50825128
Okay but it's sensible.

>>50825128
>waaah why did I have to be born!?

It's "technically tragic" but also "trivially tragic", and right up there with the rest of muh tragic backstory shit.

>>50824959
I can understand defending DHB, but I.Drive?

>>50825088

I'm not going to march around the camp slapping a spoon against a pot unless it's time for the Friday special!

>>50825101
That act might fast-track you, like, "you were in year 2 but fuck it, here's your certificate, you're in the clear".

You have to understand though that nobility, particularly with land - and worse yet if made hereditary - are not things given lightly in the least.

Going one step up on the social ladder happens a lot, don't get me wrong. But that's ONE step.
>The house knight gets a piece of land
>The valiant veteran Lieutenant got knighted when his captain became a general for HIS glorious deeds
>The warrior Bob made Sergeant, maybe even gets a late squiredom for his great deeds
>We will gladly accept this person as a legitimate citizen of our nation from now on
>Your family are real free peasants now, serf
>Go on your way slave, you're a real person now

>>50825153
Stop shitposting.

>>50824886
>>50825159
Came here for build advice, but I noticed a slightly familiar name. Is this "I.Drive" more fully named IterationDrive? Because it would be fascinating to know that he's still kicking around and being a dick out there.

>>50824756
So I am considering my hobgoblin marrying a human woman. Hobgoblins and humans can't interbreed however, so he will not have biological children. Adopting is an idea for his children.

As well he could perhaps do some sort of slave breeding practice with hobgoblin slaves to sire children. Molthune has very good slave laws so a female hobgoblin slave would not be out of the question.

>>50825170

On the other hand, though, this is Molthune, military service IS a fast track from 'whatever you were previous' to Imperial Citizen, which are from what i understand more or less unlanded knights *anyway*, you know?

>>50825159
He's a bit of a fag for making so many characters but sperging out over it is retarded.
>>50825189
I don't think this was confirmed or unconfirmed.

If Bloodforge races are on the table, they can.

>>50825189

Why not marry a woman that already has kids? Orphans are worthless, but widows need support.

>>50825162
>It's tuesday morning
>Why the fuck is she screaming time for the friday special?
>Something's fucking wrong here

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LjEbLdt340c

>>50825186
Yes. Yes he is?

What did he do?

>>50825186
I don't know much about the guy, but i'm curious to know what's this about him being a dick? From what I've seen he's just a sperg with a character making problem.

>>50825150
Tragedy isn't comfy, imo.

>>50825153
So what would you suggest?

>>50825207
I think the character himself would be much more included to the siring children through a slave. Wanting to ensure your bloodline persists is a very hobgoblin ideal. He could do both.

Or possibly pay for alter self for a short period of time to sire a child with his wife then revert back to hobgoblin.

Likely he will be doing both.

>>50825202
Isn't it more like Rome, where it means "you are now qualified to vote, and you can purchase your own plot of house", as opposed to "congratulations, here is a small town to rule over" which is what being a landed noble is equivalent to

>>50825202

>Service Guarantees Citizenship

Are we the Federation now? We Starship Troopers?

>>50825255
Yes. That's the idea behind Molthune, and Starship Troopers, and Rome. You don't have to serve in the military, but then you lose the privileges of citizenship.

>>50825223
I used to be in certain L5R and Shadowrun communities. I viewed him as a necessary evil. He is...Not malicious, per se, but he certainly doesn't know how to be part of a discussion without turning it into an argument, and he doesn't know how to be part of an argument without it being at least slightly personal. Interacting with him was a pain, but a pain I put up with for games I enjoyed, until I realized that mysteriously, I'd stopped enjoying them somehow. It's interesting to see he's still hanging around.

>>50825254

Right, which is why the fast tracking--since she was DONE with her military service at the time--got her kicked up a step, from unlanded to landed.

>>50825255

Molthune is basically Imperial England flavored with pre-WWI Germany and Prussia with a Starship Troopers theme going on, blended well and served cold.

>>50825240
Comfy is a shit meme

Besides maybe you character's shit life is why they want to get comfy? I don't fucking know.

>>50825267

Funny how things fell apart when Rome started giving everyone citizenship just for existing

>>50824787

>human only game
>literally shits on every race because utility
>skills
>feats
>non-furfag
>?????
sounds like a wholesome game to me. Get the fuck out of here with your weeb/furry magical realm bullshit

>>50825276
That shit meme is the basis of the campaign.

>>50825210

The character might be a guy! Like, a half-orc Gordon Ramsay who might be into writing penny dreadfuls on the scuttlebutt he overhears!

>>50825275
I think you're misunderstanding the situation and the anons:

Getting fast-tracked to citizenship would certainly be possible; maybe you saved a legate or something and they threw in a good word for you that way. Which, you know, cutting 2-3 years off "could die at any time" is pretty fucking awesome.

But it makes you a citizen; a big step up from slave, but it doesn't mean "landed".

A citizen can purchase their little house and own their little slaves. A Villa, not a Village.

"Landed" means you're now in charge of a region. At the very least you're governing over a village, within which there may be several Villas whose taxes and protection are now your responsibility.

If you got fast-tracked to citizenship, then chances are your goal is to BECOME a landed noble. You've gained a tiniest amount of rep (1 is infinitely far from 0) with a tiny number of people (again, 1 is infinitely far from 0), and now have a CHANCE to use that to start proving yourself and making something of yourself - a chance that "brian the baker" simply does not get to have, because nobody knows him beyond "is baker". HIS citizenship is a bureaucratic formality, YOURS was a reward.

It is actually pretty hard to come up with variety of reasonable ways someone just becomes a noble.
Since the whole point of nobility is ... blood relations and very few exceptions to it.

>>50825290
And suffering from plagues, climatic shifts, religious upheaval, Atilla, governmental breakdown, splitting off the richer half of the empire into a separate entity, and so many other factors that it reduces your >implication to pointless /his/ bait.

>>50825351
Well who decided those nobles were nobles, huh!

>>50825343

But she was ALREADY garunteed citizenship when the paperwork was going down, anon; the event happened like four years and six months into her term of service, all she had to do at that point was survive it. She was not a slave at that point (and hadn't been for years), but was in service with military logistics and had served loyally for nearly the full duration of service, already guaranteeing her Imperial Citizen status if she survived it. It was kicking her up one point from that due to acting beyond the call of duty of a logistics worker.

>>50825364
Depends on the type of government.
Usually I guess monarch gives noble his title and land.

>>50822856

When it comes to names, Ustalav is kinda mixed, but there are quite a few Slavonic and Romanian ones, with the odd German in the mix. Culturally, you have decadent enlightenment in the cities and central/eastern european dark medieval in the rural areas.

>>50824823
I know some people play oread and vanara. Wayangs are cool, but I don´t usually play the classes they work best for. Shabti are too regional, and Caligni and Kasatha too alien imo. Kuru are too evul for my taste (usually) and I find Orang-Pendak interesting, but quite cheesy.

Plus, I don´t play many campaigns nowadays.

>>50825351
It's Molthune though, the most meritocratic society in the setting. Sure you need to be born a noble in most places, but in Molthune 60 years of military service will do the job just as well.

>>50825351
Very much this. There's gigantic barriers to entry, and those up there try to keep it that way.

That's why when some hero gets knighted you get all those nobles whom despite the heroic acts and glory will look down on the "fucking upstart" and try to tar and feather his reputation. Like, how fucking DARE he. His blood is SHIT. It's WORSE than shit. And he wants to stick it in your daughters? Or thinks maybe his sons could get to? ... If she's hot maybe one of his daughters could make an okay third or fourth wife for one of your kids I mean it IS marginally better than those serfs he's been fucking I guess...

>>50825175
When you stop, I'll stop. faggot.

>>50825240
No backstory, develop it as the game goes if it ever even matters. If your GM is one of those retarded GMs who can't make anything without backstories then find a new one

>>50825384
Sure but that makes young new nobles even more of a question mark

>>50825381

Molthune is hardcore Prussian in terms of government style, it's where the new nobility are hungry and ambitious while the old guard's absurdly proud of it.

>>50825393
The group hasn't formed yet so backstory is one of the ways the GM is going to decide who gets picked up *anyway*

>>50825351
How my character became is noble is:
>spent 30 years as a spy risking his life for the good of Molthune
That or I planned on being a foreigner double agent who cut a deal.

Who has Molthune been at war with recently?

>>50825417
Ugh, then find a not shit GM.

>>50825343

This anon gets it. Molthune is the land of milk and honey for anyone who wants to be an upstart. They want people to come to Molthune. They dont have enough people to farm the fields. They have to animate constructs to do it. There is so much land, so much untapped resources, that they only thing holding them back is there is no one to do it. Coupled with almost half the country splitting off and is constantly skirmishing with them, the fairy infested forest that just likes to fuck with people because fey, and the other forest full of lazy robin hoods, there is prime real estate for anyone who wants a bite of the pie.

>>50825428

Nirmathas. Border issues (minor) with Cheliax, Nidal.

>>50825433
He's trying. Presumably.

>>50825364
Very often, other nobles.
If you go back far enough (it can be very far indeed especially in a fantasy setting though; further than in real life) you'll eventually get not-nobility, but it's a slow process often directly linked to position requirements.

A general, for example, may gain a hereditary title. The emperor needs this guy in that position, but he's one of those hero types that killing-machined and superior-tactics his way up the ranks, so he wasn't ALREADY a noble (most officers were to begin with; in fact often it's a very expensively purchased commission) like all the other officers? You've got two choices: Have him marry and get adopted into a family so that he - but not his kids - will have that title... OR, if you've no other alternatives, he's now the head of a new family, and you're going to have to deal with some fallout.

>>50825447
Being a not shit GM is also an option.

>>50825428
>Who has Molthune been at war with recently?

Nirmathas broke off about 60 years ago. Cheliax and Nidal are too powerful to contend with. Andoran is an ally and Druma is too valuable a trade partner to start shit with.

>>50825377
You're thinking too much like a light-novel and not enough like a bureaucracy.

They look at it this way:
>Currently citizen? Y/N . . . N
>Currently qualified? Y/N . . . N
>This is one hell of a reward!

>>50825471
Then I guess the thing to do is scrap everything and start over from scratch? I can't just rework this character, she's too... set as it were. Damnit, and I liked where I was going with this; I thought the backstory was good and comfy, too.

>>50825438
That means a high level of "you want to own your little slice of pie, by all means!", but which necessitates an equally tight restriction of "you're in charge of all those upstarts in province X" to keep from a spectacularly rapid degeneration into warring little warlords.

>>50825459
>tfw Paizo made savvy LN expansionists then stuck them between the big ebil empire, the only other competent countries, and the Paizo Approved Plucky CG Rebels (TM)

>>50825459
Cheliax will be broken by the glorious reclamation!
Glory to Iomedae!

>>50825491
You could scale it back to just having gotten slightly early citizenship, and now having a chance to get more because at the very least you got it by being noticed, rather than filling out a form that goes straight to the archives.

Reading what I'm seeing there that doesn't seem like much of a change overall, just better fitting?

>>50825459
Nirmathas it is then. I fed information from Nirmathas to Molthune at great personal risk for two decades.

>>50825518

But the point of the game is that we're all newly landed knights, though; not just citizens but now given our own little villages to start and settle and grow. Rolling up with a character that is explicitly not a landed knight goes against the setup of the game.

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>>50825501

>>50825493

Exactly. Molthune is still heavily Imperialistic and the military controls pretty much everything. But they are damn good at it. Fort Ramgate has some of the most sophisticated defenses in all of Golarion.

>>50825494
It is such BS. They even secluded them by putting mountains around 3 sides and a lake on the 4th.

>>50825501

lmao

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>play a fuckton of fire emblem as of late
>think it would be kinda cool to play a spear using character
>also think it would be pretty swell to do some mounted combat, even if I wouldn't be able to do it all the time
>tfw mounted combat is shit if you're not doing a small race and lancecharge spamming
>tfw it's not very practical with PoW
>tfw it's expensive as fuck feat-wise to do, so it's not something you can just have on the side anyway
>tfw the dwarf ZS/OD I intend to make will never be able to just hop onto a steed and ride into battle when on the open road

just fuck me up

>>50825471
Point of order, bureaucrats can be countermanded, and propaganda is a valuable state tool. It's not entirely unheard of for people to be promoted well beyond their means (but to the very least cost to the state in most cases) purely for a morale and propaganda purpose.

For a more historical example just off the top of my head, Jeanne d'Arc embodies this sort of thing.

>>50825586

P I E R C I N G T H U N D E R

>>50824932
Favorite race: Sylph, they're like elves without the "OMG I'm like SOOOO aloof" baggage.

Would like to try: Fetchlings or Undines.

>>50825586
Have you checked out the Senschal? Homebrew initiating Cavalier, gives up their Order's Challenge bonus and 2nd level ability for 3 disciplines.
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1tDAG5bs1VC_YGkBxR8J8IsfoPuAWOeLPeI1n9z_eeqc/edit

So, I am >>50824756

I am starting to lean VMC Oracle, as oracle is simply fantastic. Now here are a few questions.

Should I Drop VMC and instead use those feats for Martial Training?

Are there any disciplines that deal heavily in bleed damage, as that is one of my main shticks.

Is there a VMC that would fit a spy better than Witch or Oracle?

What are the better VMC options for a Warpriest?

>>50825726
Depends on what you're doing with war priest.

>>50825629
Yes, and? It's the discipline for spear users.

>>50825672
The thing is, I don't want to dedicate my class being able to use a mount, I just want to be able to hop onto the back of an appropriately sized companion creature when on a wide open plain and go "yes, I am ready for outdoor combat now". It's bullshit that it takes... What, five feats to even remotely approach that, if you're not a dedicated mounted combat class?

>>50825586
>also think it would be pretty swell to do some mounted combat, even if I wouldn't be able to do it all the time

Something to discuss with your GM, I've never had an issue with a mounted character. I also really fucking miss my Pegasus Knight.

>tfw mounted combat is shit if you're not doing a small race and lancecharge spamming
Again false, while spirited charge lance is amazing, mounted Archery is quite viable. You could even throw spears if you don't want to use a bow. And depending on the kind of mount you get you could probably just do that and let them worry about melee. Also if possible prepare to stock up on reduce person potions and maybe bring a riding dog with you or something. Alternatively if you have a caster buddy who likes to summon you're good to go.

>expensive as fuck feat-wise.
A level 1 human fighter can grab Mounted Combat, Ride-By Attack, and Spirited charge. Idk how the Warder is on feats but a level or two dip on Fighter can't hurt that bad.

Casual reminder that in Fire Emblem many of the spears you can equip are both up-close and long range weapons.

>>50825729
Melee self buffer + out of combat divine support.

>>50825807
So are spears in PF though.
Shortspears can be thrown and normal spears have reach.

>>50825807
No one cares?

>>50825816
Oracle probably will serve you well. Cavalier can be decent. Barbarian is also good for melee.

>>50824772
I cannot tell you how sick I am of hearing not to unleash the Tarrasque.

Everyone deserves to be able to run it in a game at least once, stop waiting, let it happen.

>>50825726
>>50825816
So this isn't going to be helpful at all because I remember 0 of the details, but there /might/ be a sorcerer/bloodline that gives you a bonus when you cast a buff on yourself. I'm trying to find it, but can't remember enough.

How does one detect lies using SoP?

>>50825876
Mind Sphere, Read Minds Talent.

>>50825876
>>50825903
I think there's some stuff in Fate as well.

>>50825903
Isn't that just the detect thoughts thing though? I'm pretty sure that they are different spells in vancian.

>>50825272
You mean like #l5rooc in suptg? there were some real pieces of work in that channel.

>>50825919
Yup. Fate Sphere, Truth Talent.
>>50825933
Depending on how strict your GM is the Lesser Charm will be enough to tell if someone is lying, or at least give you a hefty bonus on your sense motive.

>>50825919
>>50825933
Okay, my mistake. Fate doesn't let you DETECT lies, it just forces people to tell the truth.

Reminder that Molthune GM allows you to freely swap casting stats. Everything is Wisdom/Intelligence now.

>>50826003
Wait, where did he say this?

>>50826003
>not having enough diplomacy to marry the queen.

>>50826003
Reminder that people playing full casters will be bullied mercilessly.

>>50826022
Character creation rules, latests posts:
> You cant make up your own traits either or do something like use int for your clerics casting stat.

>>50825590

Mm, I'll keep her, I guess. Put in a note on propaganda as a reason for the tracking up to landed knight instead of just imperial citizen. Undelete the post.

Would allowing a Kineticist to switch from Con to Wis/Int/Cha be a buff or a nerf?

>>50826028
Who know who has that? NToRacle

>>50826057
Kill yourself.

>>50826033
I think you're mistaking who will be doing the bullying.

>>50826036
>> You cant make up your own traits either or do something like use int for your clerics casting stat.
>You cant
Read.

>>50826028
Clever wordplay

>>50826033
Reminder that PoW can easily outshine casters when properly run except in niche situations.

>>50825838
Any tips for the oracle curse/mystery? Level 11 if it matters.