Horus Heresy General /hhg/

word bearers a shit

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How can Ultramarines even compete?

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>salvage bread attempt

Post your tactical dudes, the most undervalued guys ever since quad mortars became aids.

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>>50810553
by not being frogposters

Anyone here got a white scars army? I'm getting hard for some space mongol action

>>50810623

Very nice, but

> undrilled barrels

Come on senpai, at least paint a black circle on the muzzle and highlight the edge of it with your metallic of choice.

>>50810623
>white bolter casing

The thing that's worrying me the most on my TS

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>>50810705
don't worry, just do it

>>50810694
>mfw plastic plebs don't get free drilled barrels like the resin bolters

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>>50810623
Mini-tacs reporting for duty (ignore the old 40k terminator). Unfortunately, they date back to the years before we knew that tac squads looked different in M31.

>>50810771
Nah, you're good. Technically speaking, those are the first horus heresy space marine miniatures.

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>>50810674
I know someone round here does.

>>50810694
Maybe once the army is finished. I just did an army of about 100 GK with drilling all the barrels and everything, and was more than a little fed up with dealing with broken drills, misaligned holes, greenstuffing and starting over ...

>>50810705
The white bolters are because the models are undercoated white and I was too lazy to paint them black. But it looks kinda nice too

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>>50810870
What. The. Fuck.

>>50810870
Please anon, we don't need the rest of those pics.

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>>50810870
Thats so sad.

>>50810937
Okay. Sorry.

>>50810904
>white bolters
Yeah, it actually works really well on those dudes. Nicely done.

>>50810937
The guy posting his entire 30k photo dump was amazing

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>>50810937

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>>50810870
ror

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>>50811069
fucking ace

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>>50811082
What do you want?

Just fuck my shit up

SAY NO MORE

>>50810771
>Dont talk to me or my sons of sanguinius ever again

>>50811093
ANGON IS ANGORY

>>50810705
Just remember.
Thin layers.
Thin layers.
Thin layers.

>>50810771

>>And here, we see a Legion Astartes of the Terminator variant, valiantly defending it's spawn.

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>>50810771

>>50810771
Man, I hope they do epic again one day. I know they're doing adeptus titanicus at some point (and it's based in the heresy) but it was the massive armies that were always the draw for me, the titans were part of that rather than being the main focus.

>>50811044
Fuck it. Someone post the rest of these please.

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>>50811203
Rogal Dorn says hi

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>>50811246

>>50811246
He looks like he's been on the fortified wine.

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This is the fucking nadir of 30k

>>50811265
>Templar Brethren in mk6
I like it.

>>50811093
>>50811246
>>50811265
I'm so sorry, i'll never ask for people to post miniatures again.
Can we go back to Shitpost Bearers?

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>>50811279
Or maybe this is it

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>>50811306
At least look into the eyes of Fulgrim

>>50811306
No because that's a horrible idea.
>>50811311
Someone needs to tell those Blood Angels the 80s called.

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>>50811335
Sanguinus does not care for criticism

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>>50810486
Just in case anyone wondered why the Imperium went to shit.

>>50811354
I'm not against it per-say but I think it's just a disadvantage. Is that Papa Sang made out of Eldar bits?

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Duel of the titans

>>50811386
High elves

>>50811279
There is no part of my mind that is able to understand the person who takes the time to construct that thing and doesn't even shave off the fucking mold lines.

>>50811399
the ork arms are killing me.

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Perfection in all things, even rapiers

>>50811407
It was still elfy.

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>>50811409
The same person who builds this and says "yeah that's a warlord"

>>50811419
I've seen Chaos turrets in DoW2 sort of like that.

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>>50811409
Or this

>>50811440
The idea and the creativity is pretty great, it's just the end product.
>>50811464
What is that suppose to be?

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You ever wondered why no one wants to hang around the moritats? Here's the answer

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>>50811069

>mk7 marines are perfectly acceptable they were at the siege of Terra they're perfectly fluffy
>why don't you like people who use Mk7 in HH?

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>>50811482
It's a thunderbolt, what else

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>>50811306
I'm cracking with laughter. Quite unexpected results, huh.

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DID SOMEONE SAY.... HORUS?!

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>>50811532

>used literal goblin heads as knee pads

I'm done

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Cupcake Mortalis

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Fuck basing, just grab some quartz

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MERRY ATHEISTMAS /HHG/
HO HO HO.

Plz Stop.
I didn't ask for this.
The 20 something other anons did not ask for this.
Plz Stop.

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>>50811173
ANGON gets down to business

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Chinese re casts save the day! Except the seller forgot the head

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Poor Mortarion, he's seen better days

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GOTTA GO FAST

>>50811492
Knew a faggot that said if you can't buy from forgeworld then don't play.... his mom buys him literally everything still

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>>50811616
Don't worry we're reaching the end

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>>50811639
>Except the seller forgot the head
Jokes on you fulgrim, Those power wrenches cut pretty good

But in an attempt of trying to salvage this thread, can i get some input on this army list? Ignore the duel combi weapons on the praetor

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>>50811659
I've seen that model!

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lol if you thought going into space would spare you from the madness

>>50811639
How does Fulgrim stay on the base? Seems like it's gonna tip over any minute now

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>>50811381
You're Tearing Me Apart, Lisa!

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what's a wash? well at least this is not horrific

>>50811717
I can actually forgive that since lack of imperial ship is not of financial, but physical supply issue.

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>>50811736
True

So now that have had AWGs collection dumped, can someone post something quality?

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Imagine you are the UM player and the opponent deploys these on the table

>>50811782
Fuck off.

>>50811203
you're responsible for this mess

>>50811790

>who still takes stormbolter termies in this day and age

>>50811809

Look those shoulders were a bad idea and you really have to shade white after you prime it in 5 layers

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>>50811782
>>50811809
Pic related.
>>50811790
And you're a liar. You promised you'd stop.

>>50811732

>so this is what it means to be a tabletop standard

>>50811700
foot slogging the termies seems like it's too slow for the combat they want to get into.

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>>50811834
I only said we were reaching the end, not that we were there just yet.

>>50811850
Just saying that it is orbital assault, so they are deep-striking.

>>50811201
Epic started as Adeptus Titanicus... if it sells well, it'll expand into tanks and infantry.

Unfortunately, it'll be at a slightly larger scale (8mm instead of 6mm) so my collection might not really be usable. I can see why they'd do it - more photogenic, you can actually see Mk III vs. Mk IV armor, and it hurts the 3rd party (not-quite 40k) miniature makers and people casting fanmade Epic minis.

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>>50811852
>mfw
I still hate you. And thanks for this gif. He looked like he'd be winking anyway.

>>50811852
Keep going

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Okay, now this makes me happy.

>>50811885
Oh yeah... that's a thing.

I think the deathstorm drop pods are bit of a weird choice, but I assume the goal is to drown the field in pods, so go at it.

>>50811890
>(8mm instead of 6mm)

Im pretty sure you would still be able to use your smaller minis as long stuff that matters like base size is ok, 8 to 6mm is different but its not like its THAT different.

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>>50811909

>>50811920

It's a 33% increase in size, it's pretty noticeable especially on vehicles

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>>50811931
And here's the v2.

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>>50810623
That hanging Melta Dong worries me a lot anon.

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>>50811093
Don't do Butcher's Nails, kids.

>>50811970
Those look fucing great, however i would not be doing my duty as a member of the /HHG/ thread if i did not point out that you used the shittiest armor mark for Iron Warriors.

Still, nice paint job!

>>50812017
Painting the mk4 from BaC as my newbies tacticals with bolters, while the mk3 from BoP will have magnetised wrists to be able to change weapons when needed as veterans and havocs.

Thanks!

this is not what I expected when I followed the link to the new hhg

>>50810623
>quad mortars became aids
I like the 0-1 idea

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>>50810623
Have faith.

>>50812053
I see this as a fast acting balance chage, however I just like seeing 2 full squads of the min my IWs. I love the marine portable artillery, i just wish it wasnt so great. I'll usually even avoid taking phosphex on one of the units.

As long as thye dont just lazily add to the points cost I will be fine. I already have a hard enough time shoving everything I want in a 3k list

Quad mortars, can you switch ammos mid game or do you pick one and just stick with the shot type all game?

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>>50811667
Whenever I feel like my painting skills aren't at least tabletop presentable, I can take solace in remembering that there are plenty of people out there painting like this, or worse.

Let us now offer up a prayer for all of those models and bits. May they one day find rest.

>>50811920
It'll probably be okay as long as you don't mix them in a single army.

>>50812203
A lot of people paint to that level (it's more than the 3 color minimum!), but it looks quite a bit worse with the White Scars scheme.

Oh, wait... I just noticed those are trying to be jetbikes...

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Might as well ask it.
Which primarch has the best ass?

>>50812890
Why do you do this? Is that Curze on the second to the far left? Why is Angron not wearing any undergarments? But to answer your question Vulkan and Dorn. At least I think that's who the guy on the far right is.

>>50812890
Who is who?

>>50812890
Sanguinius wins every "which primarch was the best at" anything.

Dorn, Guilliman and Ferrus would probably be closer to what I'd consider the ideal male aesthetic, though.

>>50813089
From the left to the right it looks like
>Leman, Curze, Fulgrim, Ferrus, Vulkan, Papa Sang, Horus, Rowboat, Corax, the twins, Morty, Angron, Magnus, Perturabo, Khan, Lorgar(?)
I don't know who the other guy is but the last guy is Dorn. Alpharius and Omegon have good taste in underwear.

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>>50813119
How can one man be so based?

>>50813089
Left to right: Robot Gorillaman (I think), senpai, Fulgrim, Ferrus, Vulkan, Sanguinius, Horus, doucheface, birb, Alpharius/Omegon, Mortarion, Russ, Magnus, Angron, Khan, Pert, Lorgar, Dorn (I think)

>>50811270
Kek

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Well, might as well put this out there

All XVI Legion players, as many of you can probably sympathize with one another the lack of ever getting any official Luna Wolves support now (namely helmets) is rather bothersome. So i'm willing to take it upon myself to learn 3d modeling and create these helmets on Shapeways

Keep in mind this stuff is already a thing and is awesome as well, but we need our awesome helmets
https://www.shapeways.com/shops/popbits?section=--+Moon+Wolves&s=0

So /tg/ should I go for it?

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>>50813205
Curzefag, I need to know something. Are you Canadian? I think it could explain your posting.

>>50813565
Nope. Amerifat.

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>>50813637
And now my theory is debunked. Are you sure you don't have family in America's hat?

>>50813565
we call it iced tea up here amerifat, your picture needs further editing.

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>>50813667
I didn't make it to pander to Snow Mexicans. It's called Sweet Tea here in the South.

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>>50810870
now thats what I call a fucking proxy! well done man. I don't give a shit if people proxy stuff in battles but at least put some god dam effort into it.

>>50813651
I'm pretty sure. And I though Aussies were the shitposters? I guess I'm not up to date on my 4chan national stereotypes.

>>50813565
>>50813705
The only shitposting I've seen on this board is by southern americans, then.
Congrats, you have beaten the Australians.

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>>50813741
>And I though Aussies were the shitposters?
Yes but it's expected for them to do it. Canadians prove to be able to make absolutely horrid posts.
>>50813754
Is that something to be proud of?

>>50813741
All I've seen is leafs post anything and someone will call them for being a leaf. It's supposedly funny or something.
At least australians have clever bants
>>50813768
I'm saying the shitposter is (You). Feels as if you were some kind of angry guy that is also "wite", calling out canadians for their crimes of being canadians.

>>50813808
I'm just meming that's all.

>>50813365
Underrated post everyone. Please do this

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>>50813365
I like these the most.

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>>50813838
Last time I checked, memes were supposed to be funny.
I did like the Lightning rakes, though. Those were nice.

>>50813838
stop

>>50813808
Anyway, which legion would be the biggest shitposters? Iron Warriors get my vote.

>>50813901
>>50813956
Fine I'll stop.
>>50813998
I want to agree with you but I think the Alpha Legion takes the cake.

>>50813998
I would agree to that, but ALposting surpassed us ever since Alphie got Dorned.
Except MGSposting, I liked that one, but only when it's not spammed.
So, about only the first three minutes.

>>50811593
>
How can one man be so based?

>>50811593
That Custode has seen too much of the Webway.
>>50814124
What is it about the Alpha Legion that creates the funposting? The I am Alpharius? The Cabal part?

>>50811464
>>50811440
I'm sorry. This guy gets an A for effort really. I'd like to hope he had learn from his experiences. I know I have.

>>50814043
Pert probably has entire companies serving as Dedicated Shitposters. And even the rest of the legion have to complete a daily shitpost quota or he decimates them again.

>>50814187
I don't think Perturabo has to do that. They're paranoid fatalistic siege experts that get frustrated about having to do the stereotypical work everyone expects them to do because, and gets mad over perpetuating the stereotype. They have to vent someway. The Word Bearers probably are the third place winners now that I think about it.

>>50814187
Whaaaat we don't have one of those...any more.
>>50814170
Well, for me it's the MGS posting and how Alpharius fits so well with Solonius Snake. Say, I don't believe in requesting memes...so I'll go make my own.

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>>50814265
Oh, you're right.
Word Bearers!
They believe their own lies, so they're the most obnoxious of them all, maybe tied with some of those wizard marines.
Then it's Alphas, then it's IW.
Then it's UMs engaging said WBs not realizing they're baiting them, and even if they can't win they already initiated the Shitstorm.
The other legions are literally mute or shake your hand and fortify their position when in doubt. I like IFs. They're nice in a fun way.
And I wish DGs would talk more.

>>50814323
>Well, for me it's the MGS posting and how Alpharius fits so well with Solonius Snake. Say, I don't believe in requesting memes...so I'll go make my own
This thread went downhill after the models were posted so what's the worse an AL meme could do to this thread now?

>>50814384
Yes, but I said I don't believe in asking for memes so that others craft them according to my specifications, even if I do take requests from /HHG/ from time to time.
Maybe someday I'll install gimp, maybe today.
What makes it better than Paint, anyway?

Also, nah, the models weren't our downhill. We're fine. Hell I was cracking with laughter in front of my parents. I showed that silly triangle plane to them.
They said it looked nice and funny.

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>>50814382
This was in a BL novel. I don't think I could post all of the pics that would be fitting for my reaction even if I Tried. I'm smiling though.
>wizard marines
Oh yeah the dust bunnies are one of the worst. I'm sure they're all not bad, but 1KSon posting is the bane of all threads.

>>50814454
I don't know. I usually do my edits in paint, and I did get GIMP. I don't really know how to use it. All I want to do is do the glowing eyes edits.

>>50814382
Going by >>50814265's reasoning, DG would easily be up there amongst the major shitpost legions.

>>50814471
Echoes of the Old Night.
I felt sad at the end. I liked Daemonology more, but it was good-enough Destroyer porn, with the phosphex and such, albeit it was dumb of them to go down there.
...just as it was dumb of Mortarion to go up there...
Why must all DG stories be sad?
>>50814506
I think the meat of the Donghunters series is the title-subtitle and text. People liked the first ones even if the eyes were simply cut out white spaces. Or red in Kyme's case.
>>50814517
But they aren't. Being DG is sadness.
Also, I thought you'd like productive NL-guy's DG sworn brothers.
What was the name of their poison ship anyway?

>>50814517
The Death Guard doesn't complain about their job. Morty taught them that with enough endurance anything could be beaten. The Iron Warriors are just used to it and want to find something to vent on.

>>50814517
I wonder why nobody mentioned the yiffs yet. Biggest hypocrites around, always quick to start yelling that others are doing naughty things, always claiming that it's different when they do it themselves.

>>50814587
Memes based on stuff that comes up in conversation are always the best coz they're natural and please the people involved. It's when they get run into the ground and go stale that's the thing.

Kyme being the tiniest adult man in existence is also funny when you consider he's obsessed with writing about huge black men.

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>>50814587
>...just as it was dumb of Mortarion to go up there...
>Why must all DG stories be sad?
Because that's kind of the theme of the Death Guard? Even their skull symbol looks depressed. Mortarion probably just wants to die, but he can't drink himself to death.
>I think the meat of the Donghunters series is the title-subtitle and text. People liked the first ones even if the eyes were simply cut out white spaces. Or red in Kyme's case.
I meant like the "I am growing stronger" meme glowing eyes edits.

>>50814589
>Morty taught them that with enough endurance anything could be beaten.
So they're highly tenacious shitposters?

>>50814714
Who knows. Maybe they just don't post a lot because they're too strung out on the poison.

>>50814705
Death Guard are one of the tragic legions that got completely fucked over by one of the gods of chaos. It's hard to imagine what they went through when Nurgle got them caged in that warp storm, and they were all slowly succumbing to that uncurable disease.

They're a bit like the Thousand Sons in that regard, but then without the potential and optimism. Just the misery.

>>50814653

It is literally different when they do it themselves. They literally practice safe witchery.

>>50814698
I agree. Dong-hunted anon was pleased.

>>50814873
>Just the misery.
I'm sure the Death Guard would have wanted it that way.
>Death Guard are one of the tragic legions that got completely fucked over by one of the gods of chaos. It's hard to imagine what they went through when Nurgle got them caged in that warp storm, and they were all slowly succumbing to that uncurable disease.
Their defining feature, their renaissance is what did them in.

>>50814885
Safer witchery. There is no such thing as safe witchery in the grimdark.

And don't forget SW were behind all the Librarians getting banned, including those from the legions that also stuck to the safer witchery, like White Scars, who even knew the dangers and risks already, and how to avoid them.
Meanwhile they still fielded runepriests openly because "muh fenris" which as it turns out in WoM has a warp entity stuck in it from which the SW draw their power. Pretty much like what happend with Caliban, and we all know how that ended

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Well I'm going to bed and here's some art of poison huffers. I'm sorry about Canadian thing, /hhg/.

>>50814653
>I wonder why nobody mentioned the yiffs yet.
I WAS ACTIVELY IGNORING THEM YOU MUTT
Yes, hypocrites, but I want the Inferno to set matters right.
>>50814885
Literally?
>>50815028
>There is no such thing as safe witchery in the grimdark.
This.

>>50815056
It's ok. Your intentions were good. I'm not the Emperor :)

>>50815056
Somehow they remind me of the Bee Gees in that pic

>Staying alive

Fuck, it all makes sense now

>>50814873
>They're a bit like the Thousand Sons in that regard
little different

The Death Guard were fucked by the actions of one guy (typhon deliberately killed all their navigators to play them like damn fiddles). The Thousand Sons on the other hand collectively fucked up together and got burned for it while screeching about how they did nothing wrong.

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/hhg/, how would you fix these guys?

>>50815167

Exact same price as seekers, banestrike is rending

>>50815167
I know some people would try to remove the fangs and what not.

>>50815100
Magnus kinda single-handedly screwed over the Thousands Sons as well though. Makes a pact with Tzeentch to save them, never tells them what he did, didn't clarify that their pets were actually daemons, actively kept them in the dark about what happend when he tried to warn the Emperor and what was on its way to fuck their shit up ...

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>>50815219
Geuss who did nothing wrong.

>>50815219
Right, but his legion was in on it, agreed with him, and actively continued to fuck up.

The Death Guard only got chaos'd because of Typhon's deception. Up until that point they were just mundane rebels.

>>50815167
>Superior seekers
>Don't have acces to specialist ammunition

Sadly I think FW will never manage to fix headhunters. My bet is that they'll get more stuff of questionable use and go up in points even more

>>50815219
It's the tragedy of Magnus the Red
>>50815167
Rending Shredding Assault 2 Banestrike.

>>50815258
>Typhon's deception
You know what, I didn't like that Typhus-DA story.
Entirely inconsequential.

>>50815258
>Want to be normal rebel against the Witch-Emperor
>Some fucker gives everyone Warp-AIDS
Thanks, Typhon.

>>50812890

Do I spy Vegeta?

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>>50814923
>their renaissance
I'm going to assume you meant resistance.

>>50814873
And that's probably the worst part for the Death Guard. The Word Bearers went full ham on demons, the World Eaters effectively gave themselves to Khorne, and parts of the EC were already entranced by Slannesh after the war with the Laer. The Thousand Sons didn't realize that Tzeentch was manipulating them until it was far too late.

But the Death Guard and Mortarion had nothing to do with Nurgle or demons until Typhon fucked everyone over. At that point, they were all resigned to an eternal undeath. Even as traitors, that's a pretty shitty fate, all because of one man.

>>50813365

As a fellow of the XVI, go right for it.

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>>50815342
>I'm going to assume you meant resistance.
Yeah that's what I meant. Kill me already. Just hit me with the nastiest toxins you got.

>>50815308
Typhon's deception was a thing long before the DA case. It was part of his original reveal-story back during the 13th Black Crusade event. In return for stranding the Death Guard in the Warp and allowing Nurgle to infect the entire legion, Typhon was granted the 'gift' of becoming the host of the Destroyer Hive. Tens of thousands of marines, and Mortarion, all for the right to be Nurgle's Champion.

>>50815357
>Yeah that's what I meant. Kill me already. Just hit me with the nastiest toxins you got.
You sound like such DG right now. But you will live on.
>>50815554
Yeah I did recognize it, what I mean is the story didn't really make me care about the snooping DA traitors.

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>>50815554
>sudden omnious feeling BL is gonna retcon that part about DG to something stupid

Anybody remember when you were looking foward to new HH novels ? It seems like an eternity ago

>>50815167
Headhunt Kill Teams: Add the Preferred Enemy(Infantry) special rule and Frag Grenades. Change every model to have 2A. Remove Precision Shots. Reduce base cost to 125 points, and 15ppm. Remove Venom spheres and Power Daggers. Remove the rule that makes the unit lose infiltrate if they take a DT.

Add the following:

- Any model in the Kill Team may take:
-A Power Dagger…………………………………..+5 points each
- The entire squad may replace their Frag Grenades with Venoms Spheres for +25 points.

>>50814124
>MGSposting
Alpharius' machine-like movement further support the theory that Omegon is in fact the true primarch (Naked Snake as opposed to Venom Snake).

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>tfw GW uses /tg/ memes on their official blog

praise kek

Well, Kabuki finally released a 'Celtic Knight' V2, so I am going to be destroying that scratch built Leman Russ you all hate so much.

>>50816797
Kys.

>>50810533
Every thread, faggot.

>>50817017
I will post pictures of my model once it gets here and it painted.
Just for you.

Is there a mechanical reason to play Imperial Fists over other legions, most notably Iron Warriors? They seem to mostly make bad units 'sorta good' instead of making good units exceptional.

>>50816428
this didn't fix them at all mate, their problem is that banestrike is shit. keep all their shit as it is, give them back PE(I) and make banestrike shred and rending and assault. exchange pistol for dual knifing action.

>>50817215

Yes, the reasons are all the rules, units, and ICs that IF have and IW don't. If "this legion has better rules overall" is the only "mechanical reason" by your logic, there's no reason to play ANY legion except the best one or two.

>>50817280
>If "this legion has better rules overall" is the only "mechanical reason" by your logic, there's no reason to play ANY legion except the best one or two
That's what I was afraid of. I thought there might be a lateral move compared to thet op tier stuff that I wasn't seeing, but no, they seem to just generally be sorta bad.

>>50817236
>make banestrike shred and rending and assault.
Easy there killer. Just make them AP3 on a 5+, maybe shred against power armor

>>50817236
>this didn't fix them at all mate, their problem is that banestrike is shit.
I disagree. I think they have too much kit bloat inflating their cost. So many rules and gear on a T4 3+ model. Make them Seeker/Mor Deythan cost and kit base, then have AL themed options for upgrades.

Seekers for killing a specific unit then standing and shooting with scorpius.

Mor Deythan for annihilating a specific unit then running and gunning with plasma guns.

Head Hunters for assassination and then killing scoring in power armor then assaulting them.

Three units with the same general purpose, but different applications. With upgrades to taste.

>>50817345
except if you want to assault with the headhunters you're never going to get it if you shoot with their 18" bolter - here's what happens.
you infiltraite to 18", walk 6" ending up just outside double tap range, your 10 shots kill 0~3 marines and then you stand around touching yourself as you gave your opponent a 6" charge for free!

>>50817294

Whenever this becomes a problem, FW does try to boost up the weaker legions. It doesn't make them better than the newest ones, but it does fix the problems aging legions have. For example, WE were the first to come out and sucked a lot compared to newer ones like NLs, but they later boosted WE.

>>50817413
You can't assault after infiltrating anyway so it doesn't matter.

You grab a rhino, infiltrate 18" away, move 6", disembark 6", double tap with combi-plasma.

>>50813365
Yeah, do it.

I plan to do the same when I am done with my first projects. MkII and those shoulder pads should be enough, maybe some chinese have the old brass and decals still. Who knows.

>>50813894
Naaah, standard looks better.

>>50816785
This is a proven /tg/ meme? Amazing, this proves that we are important as hotbed for creative anons to work....even though I was for the longest time a wishfull HH guy who didnt build his guys.

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>>50817416
Or how they boosted EC straight into the stratosphere by giving them allways +1 on initiative when charging.

I really feel that a pride of the legion list is acceptable as fuck for them to show of high prowess and low man count.

I just wished they had kept the "everykne can replace power fists with phoenix spear" rule.

No longer there will be jousting jetbike command squads...

>>50817501
then give them shroud bombs and counter attack, what you are suggsting gives no reason what so ever to use them over seekers.

>>50817501
But seekers as well as veterans already do this for less points as well.

I'd like Headhunter's niche to be shooting you in the face with specialist ammunition before charging in and planting a powerdagger in your kidney. Like the semi-melee version of seekers and Mor Deythan, because there's no such thing yet.

>>50817697
if you find anyone who has the brass, give them a shoutout in the thread I'm also looking for it.

>>50818034
maybe instead of stock infiltraite give them some alternative means of deployment like cult ambush - looking at the headhunter leviathal suggests that headhunters are double agents (more so then normal AL), so how about something really stupid like they deploy in the enemy deployment zone or have the "false flags" rule per standard?

Were there Solar Auxilia at Istvaan?

>>50819077
no, it was a drop pod assault.

hey deliverer anon, repost that empty unit template, I'ma homebrew myself a mechanicum Greater brass scorpion.

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Plasma-anon, I got bored and ran the numbers. They're good shit, as long as you don't mind the risk of one or two of your marines getting their hands a bit too warm and having to go home to get mom to put some ice on them. Running the numbers against for TEQ and then various AVs.

Does anyone ever play Solar Auxilia or Militia? I've never seen anyone and no one seems to fear any of them either.

>>50818016
>what you are suggsting gives no reason what so ever to use them over seekers.
>Cheaper at 10 WITH combi plas
>Venom Spheres
>AP3 melee
>Infiltrate base
>Preferred Enemy all game long

>>50818034
>I'd like Headhunter's niche to be shooting you in the face with specialist ammunition before charging in and planting a powerdagger in your kidney. Like the semi-melee version of seekers and Mor Deythan, because there's no such thing yet.
Thats exactly what they are right now. Banestrike may be terrible but you can take 10 combi melta if you plan to charge, plus it will ID T4. Or if you infiltrate take combi plas

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>>50819211
vs Cataphractii

>>50819276
>>wow budget seekers, what an exciting unit design!
and again, the melee stuff is not worth giving up the other kinds of special issue ammo. aka they are still shittier seekers (but cheaper!!!!!wow its fucking nothing.)

>>50818055
I hope.

headhunters (cost as current)
add kraken bolts(to give them some range as an option), give them counter attack, 2 attacks each lose the pistol for double knives, make banestrike have shred and do the AP3 thing on a +4 and be assault 2. exchange infiltraite for scout as their special rule. and force the enemy to do a leadership test the first time they try to shoot them/ assault them.

>>50819293
Scorpius ammo is the only good ammo and it's only good if you can infiltrate them since it's heavy. AP3 on all you melee attacks and venom spheres are better if youre on the move.

What makes seekers good is taking combi weapons and popping a one turn preferred enemy. Which, spoiler alert, HH can also get. Only this fix gives them PE all game, and they can take 10 combis instead of 9, and not immeadiatly fold if theyre in melee.

Scorpius ammo is not that good. The other types are mediocre.

>>50819375
it works as an errata sure, I just think its boring :^). it'd be like if raptors were exactly like an assault squad but had an extra attack.

but its a difference in design opinion rather then any caught up about balance - combi weapons for everyone was a mistake :^) just like artillery.

to me the legion unique units should be something that examplifies the legions method of war, and with learneans being the showy "mess with the best, die like the rest" unique unit to me headhunters should have a higher focus on the sabotage-y/misinformative nature of the legion like the saboteur.

>>50819458
>it works as an errata sure, I just think its boring :^). it'd be like if raptors were exactly like an assault squad but had an extra attack.
HH are Seeker+ in-lore. It says right on their unit page. It's AL a fuck. Read it sometime.

>>50819239
If it counts I want them and will start on them after I finished my plastic BoP guys.

>I fear resin.

>>50819511
I have read it, and yes those are the exact words used that they are a futher step up from seekers - but don't you see how it is boring mechanically? if you can't understand where I'm comming from when I complain about how a combi-plasma squad+ is boring then its futile to discuss it anymore.

besides they are talking about battle field role and purpose, not game mechanics, thats like saying that TDA is powerarmor+, despite the fact that they have different purposes and roles, or that breachers are tacticals+. just because they are a futher development of the same idea doesn't mean they mechanically have to be identical but +1 in all relevant stats. FW already attempted this by giving the headhunters an edge in melee and combi bolters. what I don't understand is your obsessive fasicnation with a PE combi-plasma squad, isn't it more interesting and fun if the AL unique unit has a mechanically unique niche that sets them apart from the other legion unique units and the generics? besides just adding to the "hitting on +2 with a re-roll, wounding on 2's on a re-roll with instant death, no saves allowed" that is so fucking prevelant in the game already?

>>50812186
still need an answer for this one

>>50819626
you can switch, note how it says "Add" when you upgrade ammo types, try opening the book instead of battlescribe.

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>>50819292
And finally vs various Armour Values with and without Armoured Ceramite. In conclusion I think I'll be swapping out all the HB on my Veteran Tacticals for Plasma Guns!

>>50816785
Nigganon, I assume you don't know about the Regimental standard.
Report to your local commissar for further instruction. Srsly.
https://regimental-standard.com/2016/04/20/walk-with-giants/

>>50819625
>but don't you see how it is boring mechanically?
Oh I see youre point. I just know it's a difference of opinion. Every legion special that is a clear upgrade from an generic equivalent can be described that way. Because every unit is based on a marine legion. There's going to be similarities.

HH are more different from their base seekers than Mor Deythan are mechanically. They're Stealth Seeker+. Just like HH are Melee Seeker+. You want them to be wildly different, which they just aren't.

Your second paragraph is generalizing too much and making weird points. Not even going to touch it.

>>50819211
Is that for vets or supports?

>>50811093

The chains are a nice touch at least.

>>50819830
Vets. I gotta crash but I'll run the supports in the morning tomorrow.

>>50819830
it says vets as the file name, and he counts sniper hits...

Are bikes or Jetbikes worth taking in Tactical strike? Not sure if the points increase justifies the 2+ sv and T5.

>>50819581

Resin infantry is a cakewalk. The vehicles are the real nightmares. Especially the really old ones. First generation Spartans with separate tracks, Storm Eagles that won't go together properly, titans and Thunderhawks that are just a complete mess.

>>50819893
>>50819925
Ah sorry, on mobile I don't see the file names.

>>50819742
my second paragraph accuse you of generalizing too much to take them being the penultimate seekers as an excuse to give them BS5, prefered enemy and combi plasmas. being literarily seekers+ (as in they do the exact same thing as seekers but better in everyway) just as terminators with combi bolters + power weapon can be argue to be a tactical marine+ in that it does everything a tactical marine does, but better in everyway. sorry for being a bit rambly and unclear.

>>50820053
Good to hear! I plan on running a mechanised SA Veletaris list. A command section, two veletaris squads and three dracosan demolishers with some neag flare shielding and melta proofing on some of them is about thousand points.

Would this be considered cheesy? I just feel there are not many other ways to run veletaris in a way that has them using their ray guns.

>>50820087
Not him, but I liked when they had PE as a rule.
Why not go back to that, with them gaining something else if they'd get PE from another source....like alpharius.

>>50820248
Not cheesy, but certainly boring as shit to play against.

>>50820779
How would you recommend to change that list to make it more fun?

To many tanks are the cause of boredom, I presume?

>>50820790
Not so much tanks themselves as the fact they all have Demolisher cannons strapped to them. The prevalence of high strength low AP lagged blasts is part of why Horus Heresy is turning into a dull game of 'ten man Sniper Veteran squads in Rhinos/Drop Pod Spam'. It's not that fun to have to either invest a bunch of money in tanks and transports you might not like to counter all the large blasts, or sit and scoop up your expensive infantry models by the handful while you try and whittle your way through 5 AV14 HPs each.

Sadly, you're right in saying that there's not really another way to run Veletarii outside of Zone Mortalis. It's a flaw in the Solar Auxilia's list rather than the players. I guess if you run exclusively against Legio Cybernetica or something, you'll be alright.

>>50820852
*large blasts

>>50820852
>>50820859

I totally understand that.

Maybe one could try to mix it up with one 20 man squad with a fortification holding one of your own objectives at higher point levels.

And yes, I agree. They do not jave to many options.

>>50810771
nice Titan! Where can I buy it?

>>50811082
nice, the armor looks really sturdy with more paint

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>>50820852
ZM is literally the gold standard in HH gaming, I have had more fun in ZM than in any other format.

>>50821020
What do you use for terrain? A custom-made board or something?

>>50811265
This looks like black and yellow latex. Go fistin'!

>>50821020

I really think ZM is a great format for 40k killteam as well.

>>50811440
please: higher minimum wages for everybody, I cannot take it anymore

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>>50821037
Literally get anything you can bro, once you ZM its hard to put up with tank or template spam much longer. The only reason I get enjoyment out of 2-3k normal HH currently is because I run mech and most of the template spam bullshit doesn't work against T7 castalex death robots as my troops. Biggest thing for a cheap and quick ZM board is get yourself a spaceship or industrial FAT Mat or something similar, if $100 AUD is too much for a mat then you are too poor to be playing fucking space heresy dolls.

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>>50821059
I would go as far as saying normal 40k under 1000pts is massively improved and tolerable in ZM

>>50821111

Quads don't lie.

>>50817697
>>50818055
>>50819325
It's me again>>50813365, just gonna point out that i think i could also recreate the brass etch's with shapeways as well considering i haven't use the one i bought so long ago

>>50821020
>>50821111

I hope for this, veletaris and charonites seem to be made for this.

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>>50821111
>>50821084
Praise FW for zone Mortalis!

Also praise HoR Kill-Team as they have released Legiones Astartes and Solar Auxilia kill-team rules!

Not that polished yet, but promising.

>>50819276
>Thats exactly what they are right now

The only problem is that Headhunter Kill teams cost so many points it's never worth it. Specially with combi-weapons added, their point cost skyrockets to the point where you can field terminators with combi-weapons for the same price.

>>50819239
One guy over here started SA. Rather unexpected, because he never even played 40k before.

>>50810486
Anyone going to be at STiF3?

>>50822338
I might be. have a friend who bought a ticket and can't go. I'll see if i can scalp it from him

>>50822122
SA is amazing though, a lot more space opera feels instead of 40ks catholic space nazi commie war mill gristle that the guard is.

Also a very unique aesthetic and good lore.

>>50816785
What exactly is /tg/ here?

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>>50822830
I think the Knight giving a thumbs up.

>>50823554
Nah, thats from regimental standsrd. Gws own thing.

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>>50823605
I swear I've seen a drawthread with a Knight giving a thumbs up as the OP pic before.

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>>50823618
I just had an idea for an edit.

>>50823674
>>50823618
Oh god, memri.

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>>50823731
These guys are great you know that? The things they say when taken out of context can give me a giggle.

>>50823756
In context is even worse, show that to people who believe that there is a religion of peace.

>No religion is.

Sorry for derailing...next topic.

What kind of Knight House would you go for?

I like Orlac.

>Muh dark age gene modified fungus knights.

>>50823618
Yeah, it's probably the one from Reg standard.

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New FW newsletter thingy...
That is one hideous terminator model...

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>>50823788
>What kind of Knight House would you go for?
I never thought about that before. I would go for one that does have good relations with the AdMech but isn't bound to those rites making it a thrall house.
>fungus knights
Do what?
>>50823791
And I'm said.

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>>50823803
Looks like what happens when you try applying pic related to termie armor.

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>>50823756

>>50823803
You know what. I like it.
Is that how the cataphractii shoulders work however?

>>50823788
Haven't come across them, what book are they in?

My Knight that should be arriving in a few days will be House Malinax. Strange daemon-coded scorpion Knights in that cool scheme Xana has.
Can't get that exact colour, but Chaos Black - Zandri Dust - Zameesi Desert - Highlight Tau Light Ochre - Wash Nuln or Agrax should be close enough, going to test it on some Cultists soon.
Was there rumours of a House Malinax transfer sheet soon, or should I get the Red Scorpions one and put extra tails on?

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>>50823819
>sad
I need some fresh air. This is getting sad.
>>50823839
>mfw
Kek. I love this general.

>>50823788
I've been researching, but there doesn't seem to be any mention of any Knight Houses at the Siege of Terra.

So, House Taranis, every other House is a knockoff Taranis.

>>50823852
To each his/her own, but I don't really like the look.

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>>50823872
With all of the fighting before the Siege I think loyalist Knights would probably be hard pressed to get repairs to rumble on the throne world while the traitor Knights could just use daemonic means to fix their Knights.

>>50823618
Taken from Regimental Standard.

>>50823819
>>50823858
They are in conquest, they landed on a rare life sustaining world in the...grail abyss? I am not sure anymore.

Sadly they did not realise that the worlds age,way way longer life sustaining than earth, had spore and fungus based life forms develop there that made basically everything poisonous. So after the warp storms set in in the age of strife, they civil wared for ressources due to being cut of import and they only survived united under house orlac that had sheltered the genetic/biologist scientists that had worked then whole time on that problem.

Some horrible experiments later you get some sort of abhuman, thoug rather normal looking, that can life from the fungus shit but can now only eat meat or.....fungus shit.

The world was christened Dark Haven due to the huge and dense fungus forests and its solitary location. They wear a nice dark purple.

Also orks do not dare approachn it:^)

>Get outfunged!

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>>50824033
>>Get outfunged!
Okay that made me laugh. These Knights sound pretty great.

>>50824074
Won't spoil if they are pretty loyal to the Big Guy, you should read it.

They also battle huge myconid beasts n shiet.

I found some old breton knights and high elves btw, can probably do some kit bashes with that for my Scions.

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>>50824033
I would like to put my Xana forces against that.
Fungus Guys vs. Daemon Robots. DUEL!

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>>50819830
Hi space friend, here are the support squad weapons vs MEQ as promised. They really aren't great for their value... The Veteran Tactical Squad with a pair of Plasma Guns still comes out on top.

>>50824135

So are castellax the same kinda robocop 2 nightmare that Thallax are or are they closer to being real robots?

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>>50824135
Only Picture I found this fast, not mine..sadly.

Also, they are not fungoid..just genetically changed to eat this highly evolved super fungus and not be affected by its spores.

The price being, as mentioned, that they only can eat fungus andm eat related things now and probably some kinks regarding their low child birth quota.

According to Conquest, they do live longer though.

>>50824178
Wot, robocop 2 is also a guy with a brain?

Castellay are artificial brains used as basis..no cyborgification of exisitig humies there.

>>50824178
They are proper robots with vat grown brains. They don't suffer like thallax.

>>50824178
They're basically all robot.
Machine Spirit only, very aggressive and responsive machine spirits, but no organic components.
No Lorica Thallax for those things.

>>50824227
What if they ate Orks or squigs?

>>50824302
I do not think so, what I read seems way more like more plant like life...as in..still shrooms but not humanoid.

It is basically a Death world probably filled with Ophiocordyceps unilateralis, poisonous spores everywhere and ambulatory mycanoid beasts n sheet.

>>50824248

Robocop 2 was a crime lord with a drug addiction who had his brain extracted, put in a robot and then put in constant agony. Also the failed robots from robocop 2 are basically thallax

>>50824252

Very good

>>50824256

Well no natural organic components anyway

>>50824394
Ah, thank you.

I liked the Robocop 2 due actually.

Really scary.

>>50823839
I must watch out for this memri thing. Like what they say about armenians.

>>50824394
>Well no natural organic components anyway
Quite true, the neural templates they used were animal based I believe, which is what made them so responsive and aggressive, which is also the main reason their use was banned by the Mechanicum Conclaves after the Heresy.

>>50824975

>animal based
>essentially gigantic armored arcoflagellant bears

Jesus Christ how horrifying

>>50825020
[Bearallax intensifies]

>>50825033
>Bearallax
Does anyone have that pic of the House Malinax armour plating taken from local ursids? Because there may in fact be canon Bearallax.

Why on earth does 1 castellax cost about as much as 3 vorax when they're nearly the same size?

FW pls

on a related topic, take your bets on prices for the Adeptus titanicus resin models. The warlord is apparently going to be Thanatar sized, so I'm guessing at least $100 for him.

>>50825020
So how many types of robo-minations are there now?

Castellax and their ilk, pure robots driven by machine spirits that are, in the case of Vorax, barely kept in check.

Scyllax, which are... just "neural tissues" from unknown origins.

Thallax, cyborgs.

Tech-thralls, servants.

>>50825095
In my laptop, srry. But yes, that's Xana's animal.

>>50825146
Cybernetica Cortexes are made of vat grown neural tissue too, arent they? Te olde Imperial robots are said to require biologis to tend to their cortexes wet grey matter or something

>>50825138
I'll wait until my recaster picks it up. He actually prices things fairly by the amount of resin required to make it.

>>50825146
>>50825206
I thought Cybernetica Cortexes (cortices?) are vat-grown with various aggressive engrams patterned on. So Vorax got some kind of voracious hunter-killer, and so on.

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http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/topic/327453-female-primarch-project-what-is-this-heresy/

'(Tlatia looks…wistful for a moment, but then smiles teasingly again at her brother.)

“Of course, you could probably find a few girls willing to try, brother dear.”

(Lion huffs indignantly and looks away.)

Lion: “Now you’re just being ridiculous.”

Tlatia: “Oh please Mr. Tall, Dark, and Brooding! Why I bet all you’d have to do is flip that perfect hair of yours over your shoulder and the ladies would be falling over themselves to get at you.”

(The Lion picks up his pace and walks ahead of them)'

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>>50825206
>>50825247
Artificial, but grown. Synthetic, but alive.

Cybernetica and their potential for going rogue are one of the coolest parts of the HH.

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>>50825269

I don't want girls in my warhammer because it's the bastion of non sexually threatening masculinity that props up my fragile sense of manhood and reinforces my childish views of adulthood and male purpose.

So get out.

>>50825322
I wrote giantess femagnus, but only because red giant boobs.

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>>50810623
Big marine anon here. First ten man squad of poison huffers is almost done bar minor detailing.

>>50825528
Very good!

>>50825269
There are ways you could write female space marines well.

This is not one of them.

"lol I'll get my brother a date!" "Don't call me a mother it makes me feel old!"

I mean fuck man.... is this parody?

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>>50825641
Cheers.
Detail shot.
>>50825528

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>>50825660

>>50825528
>>50825660
They look great!

could we get a detail shot of the sarge?

>>50825693
>>50825681
like that... whoops! What did you use to convert the combi-weapon?

>>50825700
Thank you.
The tank and flamer bit are from a Gravewarden combiweapon.

>>50825660
>Dread hiding just out of shot
HELLO, DO YOU HAVE A MOMENT TO TALK ABOUT THE GODS OF CHAOS?

>>50825660
>Ignore the Dreadnought. It's vision is based on movement.

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>>50825756
That's just grampa Bill. He has trouble hearing so he yells into the vox all the time.

>>50825269
Id be fine with the lost primarchs being sisters, but all their marine still being male.

>>50826241
Then why did E tell Malcador they couldn't make icky girl Primarchs?

>>50825681
Did you paint those numbers on the armour by hand?

Was busy and just returned.

>>50825915
Nice modelling!

I think the DGnought is a great place to start building a...LW variant or general early crusade variation. Easy to remove the sparse DG heraldry to get that MKII feeling.

Now, if FW suddendly starts to sell LW brass again...
But I learned from this and now buy what I want, even if I have to store it some time, like the Centurion with early crusade honours.

My fabourite special HH mini by now.
Poor guy is still waiting to ge painted though.

>>50826822
I don't have the mental fortitude for something that meticulous, they're just decals.

>>50826884
Still, looks really crisp!

>>50825915
I also noted that this is tne Calth dread you shaped it to look like FWs DG variant, right?

>I am slow.

>>50827025
>>50826879
Yeah it's the Calth box one, I had a go at making it look as close to the FW design as I can. Some bass string and lots of green stuff. The arms are also magnetised for weapon swaps.

The FW DG dread is a heavy and suitably archaic design so it would fit pretty much in any early crusade Legion with some filing and proper heraldry.

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>>50827149
I wish you god luck!
I shall venture into my rejuvination pod to start the next cycle refreshed for my early scheduled interweb pen and paper game!

>>50827277
Thank you good sir.